1 more week

can't wait fellow undead bro

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that's ok, user. earning upgrades isn't for everyone.
don't forget to pick up your free epic loot for killing 10 spiders in drustvar today!

I'm stoked, never played vanilla and am going to roll a Tauren warrior or Troll hunter. Can't decide between the two at the moment.

What is the adder adding?

>streamers

My friends are in their 30s and play PUBG and ALL they talk about are streamers and skins

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Will I also be able to go home soon?

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warriors often attack critters or weaker units to build extra rage

>tfw will get to see old Brill again.

>i-i-it's not bad game design! this is how it's meant to be! not using 90% of your spells is supposed to be the norm for MMOs!
Unironically take a screenshot of this thread, with your reply marked in red and a little textbox next to it saying "My dumb reply".
Save the screenshot somewhere you know it won't ever be lost, back it up with dropbox or whatever you want to use.
10 years from now I want you to look at that screenshot, and see how far you've come.
It's like a fitness progression picture, except with mental retardation.

Honestly, streamers are more of a headache for your average player than anyone in the know. Think these streamers will ever have a chance in raiding or organized PvP where they can't take their group of sycophants?

or in this case to move slightly ahead.

>never played vanilla
like all the vanillafags on Yea Forums lol

also, his charging the critter to save a small amount of time. a thing warriors can do.

>hurr you press a button and shit dies
>they all the same

yes, it's a badly designed system, completely backwards.

isnt this all just full of nostalgia?

>dodge
jesus I didn't know I missed this

But you chose to be and then stay friends with them. You subject yourself to things you don't like and complain about it, meanwhile they enkoy themselves. Why not just stop carrying all that baggage and move on with your life?

there's a cure for everything

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>tfw when nostalgiafags discovered they didn't really want classic

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arugal chads where we at
no streamers, no bullshit, low ping

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the most based man alive

I'll never get over how fucking sad this Drackonic guy is. You know they do this shit because they're just so damn lonely, it's why they readily spend their money on this shit.

This but unscarcastically

Who the fuck lvls in barrens?
>1000000 ppl around you
>the shittiest quests ever existed in WoW
>kill 25 wolfdogs
>kill 25 zebras
>kill 25 turtles
>oasis
Undead locations chads rise up

You seem to be trying to apply an objective framework to a subjective experience. Just say you don't like it and move on, but don't attempt to pass off your preferences as the final and only say on any given matter.

keep that subtrain alive bro

Every streamer needs their whale

>yeah i cant wait to auto walk 40 minutes across barren wastelands

Sounds like a perfect time for auto run and chatting with your guild. You know, downtime.

This.
Silverpine is BASED

lol you fags are gonna be bitching about this game 1 week after launch. the home you are returning too is a dilapidated shit hole you already explored and tired of the mechanics. if this game came with a two week return policy theyd make like 400 sales total after this quarter.

its an mmo with a subscription so unlike an ordinary game it should keep your interest past 2 months let alone 2 weeks.

>you press a button and shit dies

what did he mean by this?

>mfw forsaken rogues and warlocks everywhere
it's like people want to be a cliche

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I'm going mage.

>haha no bro it's not wasted time it's "downtime" haha

At that point why even play WoW?
Facebook and twitter are free.

Well then dont play the fucking game faggots. Nobody forces you to do.
Arguing about something you dont even like is just pathetic, if you got so much time to waste classic should be perfect for you

Video games as a whole are a waste of time, retard.

yes. ultimately that's exactly it. social aspect is a major part of mmorpgs.

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Are instanced mobs and bosses still nerfed to shit?

Exactly, fuck off and go chat on fb

I'm

And I'm really excited to play dude, sorry for misunderstanding.

>you are already wasting time bro why don't you waste an hour or more?

I prefer to engage in the social aspect of MMOs when not auto-walking to the dungeon, thanks.

I’m kinda like this. Never donated or stream sniped, but... Never had friends and literally grew up watching streams. I’m 23 now and still whenever I feel lonely I just turn on my fav streamers, read chad etc. loneliness goes away. I’m not even subbed.

While the leveling to 60 sure is harder than in the current verion of the game, the dungeons and end game PVE content are extremely easy, you can do 40 man raids with 30 - 35 decent people. Remember that back in the day when the game released most people weren't aware of the concept of an MMO, also there were barely any guides on the internet

HUNCHBACKS
NO SHOES
TUSKS
NO JAW
LITERAL MUD HUTS

Is this really what you want?

Nostalgiacuck
>vanilla was so much better!

Retailchad
>is doing worldquests with his guildies

N
>like, back then there was so much more to do and the game felt alive!

R
>progressing through some of the hardest raids this game has ever seen

N
>pvp was way better back then!

R
>has more than 2 abilities in pvp

N
>STOP IGNORING ME

R
>does mythic dungeon

N
>STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

R
>farms azerite for cool new abilities

N
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *gunshot* *silence*

R
>continues having fun

I'm not optimistic about it
It was incredible at actual release because blizz basically dropped a game 2deep4u and we were all retard discovering fire

But it's 2019 and the average player is a sweaty tryharder with a 2nd screens and addons to tell him where to go and what to loot now

I expect this general trend for wow to be even worse on vanilla because the balance is shit and the skillcap pretty low, people will just end up playing/grouping/looting the optimal shit and disregard the rest and I dont think I can handle it

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Yea Forums isnt. Congatulations faggot.

>friend wants to play on Alliance in Shazzrah

What class should I play?

I am so fucking hyped. Only ever got to play Nost, and I played retail when panda was around for a few days until I realize what a joke retail is.

Im going to enjoy comfy leveling as my boring human warrior, partying up with people and tanking for dungeons and no one can stop me.

Fuck me I hope they do Classic+ and not just progression, that would be amazing.

I love how people that flaunt how difficult it was to reach 60 in vanilla think it's because the game was difficult and challenging instead of there being no quests or content after level 50.

>its going to be bad because I think it will be bad
Yeah no, you just need to go outside and stop being a negative magnet.

>is doing worldquests with his guildies

lol who the fuck does this

A lot of people are gonna play it casually, so it’s not gonna be just sweaty tryhards

How about telling your friend to stop being a total faggot and play Horde?

>boot up game
>receive quest
>open internet browser
>google quest location
>repeat for 1month of playtime

yeah, I think we back

Which layer is home?

>not just quickly skimming through the quest text, see the location mentioned, and know by heart where the location is

>A lot of people are gonna play it casually

No they won't. Even doing 1-2 quests can take hours if you factor in all the walking around, so casuals will quit very soon and you will be left with 95% min maxers

you can literally get to 16 in silverpine, silverpine is based. theres even tons of hidden grind spots for EXP no one will use.

>Like, bro, if you pulled more than 1 mob at a time you would just die, that's how difficult vanilla was!
That's not difficult, that's just tedious.
Difficult would be if you could pull more than 1 mob and still survive if you played correctly.
In vanilla, it doesn't matter if you play correctly (which isn't very hard since most specs only used 1 or 2 spells) you will die if you pull too many.
I hate to bring up dark souls, but dark souls is considered difficult because you can fight as many enemies as you want and still survive, it's just a lot more difficult than 1 enemy but not impossible.
Classic's difficulty is literally just waiting for enemies to walk far apart from each other... that's it.

Nothing wrong with undead rogues, undead rogues are total bros bro

holy shit based

If you never played the game why open your mouth about things you've go no clue about?

I love how people conveniently forget that sites like Thottbot existed back in vanilla

Yea Forums is a humongous waste of time, moron.

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What's wrong with 2 quests taking an hour? Isn't that rather adventurous?

>Difficult would be if you could pull more than 1 mob and still survive if you played correctly.
Yeah, that sounds about right. Don't be shit.
Also, classes at 60 have significantly more abilities than classes at 120.

im saving this

I still can't decide. What class is the most comfy to level bros?

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It would be if the quests were anything other than
>"go to a location 50 minutes of walking from here and pick up 4 cranberries"
>"go to a location 10 minutes from here and kill 14 boars, except there's only 4 of them and the respawn time is 15 minutes"

Yea Forums genuinely thinks that tedium=challenge and busywork=SOUL.
This board is so obsessed with gaining e-cred among other losers that it simply does not listen to reason.

Why would some dudebro spend hours on a few quests (which includes research or googling) instead of playing a few Fortnite/FIFA/LOL games?

Didn't they add viper sting in tbc?

Once you assclowns actually do get home, can you kindly fuck off to /vg/ with these threads?

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Why are you comparing 4 different games with completely different audiences?

Are you braindead?

To bad I want to be a shaman. God help me

>Also, classes at 60 have significantly more abilities than classes at 120.
sure, except you won't use any of them except for 1 or 2 if you want to play optimally.

Some study showed that the average age on Yea Forums is 17 years. So you can assume that 70 - 80% of the posters here never played vanilla and are just hyped because of the streamer hype. They will play for a few days and then move back to retail or the FOTM game

Warlocks and hunters

hmmm, we got a mentally ill zoomer here. Most WOW players play mobas and FPS. This kid probably never played in a guild, sad!

Troll mage, Troll Hunter or Orc Warlock for casual play and PvP?

gnome warrior

>World of Warcarft
>One of the most casual and popular MMOs of all time
>Which at the end of original launch vanilla had literally TENS of millions of level 60 accounts
>"no one likes this game, no one plays it, no one is going to do anything but 1% who minmax all the content, its going to be dead and bad and awful"
Where you dumb as brick retards get these stupid as fuck ideas is beyond me. WoW is to the MMO what CoD is to the FPS genre, it has millions of fans, millions of players, and the overwhelming majority are "casual" who just fuck around doing whatever they want and they still clear all its content. Even vanilla, in its fucking launch year, had people from all walks of life finishing every raid because its NOT THAT FUCKING HARD TO DO.

God fucking damn, only on Yea Forums and the shitty fucking forums do you get this fucking nihilistic minmax raid faggotry. Could you faggots do the world a favor and just end yourselves if you hate life so much.

gonna roll a troll priest. Never played vanilla, any tips?

>X players also play the 2 biggest game genres in existence

Woah....it's like.....your IQ is 80....

This is why you can't pull more than 1 mob at a time
You should just stay on retail

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Can't wait.

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lmao loser, there was nothing else to play in 2004 and it was a completely different audience

>farms azerite for cool new abilities
hahahahahahahaha

lmao, good riddance, zoomie

>he thinks every class spec being unique means that they are all well designed and people love them without any complaints
>he thinks each class is designed around fun and with gameplay in mind when all blizz do is look at spreadsheets and most class designers either are completely clueless what fun in a class is or never play their class

Compare the classes and specs going from BC to what they did in later expansions, especially the Death knights and the laughable state of frost, "an adept user of frost magic that dispatches his foes with quick decisive weapon strikes" while the endgame is literrally heavy breathing on a boss, compare that to what it was, both when it could dual wield and two hand, does not matter if you used either, it still stayed true to that fantasy, two hand could chunk people with obliterate dumps. dual wield had stronger magic and frost strikes for a longer sustain. now look at it NO ONE is happy, the dual wield folks have been cheated, because it plays like the two handed build. and the two handed people hate it because 1: your dual wielding with less chunky button presses and 2: being stuck with the H E A V Y B R E A T H I N G BoS for eternity instead of actually being all about the weapon strikes.

1.Apply your assigned curse ( Curse of the Elements, Curse of Shadow, Curse of Recklessness)
2.Apply Corruption if allowed
3.Cast Shadow Bolt
(repeat steps 2 and 3 till target is dead)

this is literally THE optimal way to play for warlocks.

I'm so fucking ready. feels good to not be surrounded by retarded burger streamers

>a Bop-It is more involved and intricate than piloting a ship because you're just using a throttle and the wheel

>play the game efficiently so as to not waste mine and other people's time
>"UUURK FUCKING MINMAXER"
Only on Yea Forums...But yeah, vanilla wasn't hard, unless you consider tank and spank to be difficult.

I haven't joined teamspeak for about a year because of this

Not until at least one week after launch.

>>play the game efficiently
There is a fucking gully between not being a retard and minmaxing every single racial, class and item combination to be absolutely 100% perfect in everything.

You cant say you're going troll warrior without someone throwing a hissy hit then saying
>KEK ENJOY NO RAIDING FOR YOU FAG!
When you can fucking easily get a raid in for ANYTHING.

The "cranberries" will be in the same location as the boars in your example. You will often have to kill enemies guarding these berries to get to them. There being other types of enemies surrounding your kill targets and gathering targets means you have options to approach the situation. You can either kill everything in sight (granting you XP but taking more time), try to dodge around the other types and only go for your targets (risky since pulling multiple mobs by accident is dangerous, but quicker if done right), and try to dodge all enemies and find ways to forage the berries without pulling anyting (also risky for the same reasons as mentioned above). Maybe some mobs are casters and you need to find ways to drag them to you. Some mobs will run, and you need to find ways to stop them from dragging more enemies with them.

If there doesn't appear to be enough enemies of the type you want to kill, there's a chance there is a 2nd camp further down the road with more of them that the questie addon doesn't mention. In the time it takes for your targets to respawn, you can always go and check. Who knows, maybe you run into a new quest on the way?

See, it's not all just a checklist in Classic like retail is.

Hunter, Warlock and hidden top tier: Druid

you're just a dead human bro

>there was nothing else to play in 2004
>2004
underage retard

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i'm a classicfag and even i know this is bullshit.
quests in vanilla were anything but streamlined.
hell, i remember most questgivers would give you quests to the same location, except not at the same time, so you had to travel back and forth multiple times.
in terms of questing vanilla is very barebones compared to current wow

when you're a neet boomer who has never known love in their life, you're already dead user.

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I tried retail this month, I had a lvl 85 I played during 1 month of Cataclysm, after a res spell. I used to play during WotLK.

While retail has its qualities, yesterday night as a lvl 120 rogue, I started doing the World Quest that I just unlocked. I also went to Nazjatar.

I was underleveled, but it made the game 3x times the fun. I had to manage my PvP state because the people around were usualy better geared (not a lot of population unfortunately), and I had to tryhard to kill elites or group mobs, using stuns and shit, using all my spells and kiting.

Unfortunately because the quests give so good gear, it only lasted something like 2 hours. Now I'm back to dealing a lot of damages.

uuuum no it was soulful and realistic, like in real life

these zoomers dont even know what thottbot is
they probably think its a repository of thot pictures from instagram

>in terms of questing vanilla is very barebones compared to current wow
If by barebones you mean there is no questing in retail you just pay for max level then raid forever sure.

Even if you buy the 110 level boost, you still have to do quests to reach max level.
Why would you make arguments based on a lie that is so easily refuted?
Is classic really that bad that you have to lie about retail to make it look better?

>dude wow classic we're going home bros

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Literally no one does that because its pointless, you can just LFG and AFK while everyone else does the work for you.

But keep trying to claim retail is good when your subs are about to fall below Classic faggot, we're done here.

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>Is classic really that bad that you have to lie about retail to make it look better?
Lol, there isnt even a discussion here.

Classic is on another level to retail WoW. Retail WoW is just a poor version of Diablo at this point and Classic is an actual fun MMO. Retail stopped being an MMO years ago, its a lobby based online RPG with 3 classes.

don't bother arguing with morons who don't understand it user.

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>Let's stick it to Blizzard by paying Blizzard! U mad, retailcucks?
lol frogposter

>It was good in 2004 so it's surely gonna be the same experience in 2019
I'm just warning you so you can temper your expectations
People now know not to stand in the fire
People widely use dps meters
People widely use leveling addons
People no longer care about completing the dungeons, they care about completing it quick so they can do it again and loot their BiS handpicked on minmaxing website

>when your over a decade old game is so good all the players of the 'modern' version of it get so upset at the concept of them being the second child they have to shitpost every single thread for your game
Feels good. You're just validating the fact Classic is better.

>the classicfags are unironically going to pay $15 a month for a heavily revised version of an old game they once played because they think it will somehow make them happy again
I'm just going to say it.
Classic won't help you.
The reason you associate classic with happiness is because your life was probably a lot better back then.

My only WoW experience was Nost and some time in retail when Panda came out. None of the things you have ever complained about were present in Nost and they wont be in Classic either.

Im sorry you hate other people enjoying a better version of retail. Maybe you should just stop hating things and get over yourself. Have a nice life :^)

My first introduction to Classic was Nostalrius and my life hasn't changed much from back then at all. I've not been able to bring myslef play retail since then.

>The reason you associate classic with happiness is because your life was probably a lot better back then.
lol

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>My only WoW experience was Nost and some time in retail when Panda came out
So you cant possibly understand what I'm talking about at all, thanks for the honesty and for clarifying

>$15 a month
I pay more for lunch every day.

>future is very bright
>nearly all of Blizzards revenue is now mobile
I mean, sure, from a financial point of view I guess thats very bright to make so much money from phones.

But its no wonder all the talent in Blizzard left. No one wants to make phone games except the executives who take home multi million dollar packages every year from whale profits.

>The reason you associate classic with happiness is because your life was probably a lot better back then.
I've played WoW since March 2005, for 15 years, and I've waited a very long time to see the part of WoW I loved most come back.

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>You cant understand what a good game is
Classic is better than retail. There is nothing else to understand.

Thanks for the honesty in admitting you're shitposting :^)

>inb4 hurr durr linking ecelebs

youtube.com/watch?v=2C8lcUSQHjk

Try to refute his points if you have the mental capacity to do so.

I know a guy that's been saying this and he somehow thought that a green name on somebody meant that they were a GM, i'm quite hesitant about playing with him.

>if I cant get there in seconds my adhd will tick in and ill instead log out and start watching porn
based retarded adhd gamer

>implying classic won't be empty within a month as people realize it was just delusional hype and blizzard announces another retail expansion

>he loves vanilla
I have bad news for your mental capacity

>preach
Can you find an e-celeb that isn't literally paid by blizzard?

based

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for those that don't know
youtube.com/watch?v=7anToIEy-oE

he'll be doing god's work in just 10 days

>and to be forced to use multiple ranks of the same spell because the game is so badly designed that you dont even have enough mana to cast the highest rank shit
Imagine being so stupid you think this is a bad thing.

Choice > no choice

>seething retailer who knows his DPS LFR queues are going to get even worse after the population drop

Try. To. Refute. His. Points.

>You cant understand what a good game is
That's not even remotely close to what I said
Vanilla release just had a feel of exploration and mistery that very few will experience again because 3rd party sites, addon, and general culture shit of MMO players

I didnt said "you cant understand" to rattle you, quite the opposite, you admitted you weren't there and started at pandaland, so you should probably feel right at home, but the gaming culture was vastly different in vanilla and people looking to get a taste of it again are simply in for a let down

you spend the time auto running talking in unmoderated chat channels.

It's going to be terrible in 2019 classic, you are just going to have to wait 1 minute per message in chat.

I don't even own BoA lmao
stay mad about your dead streamer zoomer game though

Rich is in they're an EU guild iirc, they'll be on a different region to soda, asmon and all those faggots

>you either use rank 14 once and run out of mana or you use rank 3 and can spam it all day except it deals little to no damage
Are you one of those niggers that loves those david cage and telltale games for their epic choices?

>raiding is the only content in the game
How to spot a nu-WoW brainlet.

Look you dumb doom and gloom zoomer poster faggots. I have so much faith in what I am about to say, If I am wrong, I will eat my own shit.
Classic WoW will be so popular it will surpass retail in player count in mere months. Blizzard will have to open more servers because EVERY server will be Locked and full of queues. I have so much confidence this will happen just like it did with OSRS.
Even since Patch 3.1 Ulduar ended and Jeff Kaplan left the WoW director role, the game has gone to shit. People want a hardcore social MMORPG that is actually engrossing and full of depth and challenge and reward instead of soulless fucking shit.

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>i dont even play this game but im in this thread
the absolute state of this XIV tranny

WoW died at the end of TBC, but even TBC started adding in shit that ruined the game.

Immersion and leveling > everything else in an MMO. Classic has more immersion and more fun leveling than any other MMO ever made and you cant refute that.

Its the music, its the world, its the perfect amount of polish and jankyness in one package. Its your race and classes adding flavor without being too importnat. Its the elites, quests and dungeons which make you want to play and talk with others. Retail doesnt have that, it never will, and modern Blizzard has lost all its talent so it cant be fixed.

Reply if you're an upset retail cuck who has wasted thousands of dollars and hours on a shit version of a once good MMO.

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>he didn't see his latest video

I don't think I ever said that.
However, it is the one activity that by far most people are looking forward to, and they're all going to be disappointed.

First time playing WoW which is a better choice,human paladin or orc warlock?
I read people saying paladin is a healing class in vanilla is that correct and if so is it better than priest in healing?

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Do you honestly expect me to take a retail fag seriously? Lol, fuck off.

Paladins are mostly useless, avoid them at all cost.

WoW didn't reach 10mil until Wrath dickhead

You implied it, because what you said is only relevant for raiding.

Both are fun, Paladin is more fun to level. When people say paladin is a healing class they mean that in regards to dungeons and raids. While leveling it wont matter, you'll use your buffs/heals/damage abilities with your party evenly.

Priest is the best pure healing in vanilla
Paladin is very good healer and one of the best support roles. you have many buffs for all classes, great utility spells. people will want you. you can also be Ret paladin sometimes, but not a tank, they have no taunt in vanilla or active mitigation like Warriors.
Also Warlocks are really good too, but don't forget you'll mainly be the summoning / make healthstones for the entire raid utility, but that gets you invited.

screenshotted. prepare to eat your own shit. classicfaggots are such embarassing delusional cringeworthy failures of human beings.
yes, retail is shit and wow in general is shit. but you take it to a whole other level by being such delusional contrarian faggots as to cling desperately to a dead version of the game from 15 years ago that was completely broken, unbalanced and lacking 99% of the content, technology, and design of modern wow.

No one agrees with you. Player counts and retention were at an all time high after TBC was long gone. Staying high until Cata and then only losing some then regaining with Asians for panda.

youtube.com/watch?v=hPKyEGFQUPw
fucking bitches will do anything to slut around for views

rent

>rent free
I've never playet XIV. take your meds
also
>implying wow isn't just as full of trannies
yikes

It's actually also relevant for pvp.
and for questing... oh, and for gathering since you're probably going to have to kill mobs to get to certain gathering spots.
I guess it isn't relevant to chatting with your guildies, so fair enough you win.

>lacking 99% of the content, technology, and design of modern wow.
you mean all that shit people hate and endlessly complain about since Cataclysm? yeah, pretty shitty stuff.

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>WoW didn't reach 10mil until Wrath dickhead
I love it when people say stupid things which are easily disprovable.

It gives me that warm feeling when I can make a post like this and know you're seething at me for it.

Go on, make a witty reply to try and save face cuck,

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>every Nelf class is fucking shit except Druid
>except for nelf tank seething at the chad human tank
lmao

based madseasonshow

>that guy just listening to the JRE on his stream
do zoomers actually watch this? based stream sniper

>people
you mean asmongold and his fans?

>Immersion and leveling > everything else in an MMO
>dude it's ok if there is no endgame content, I just enjoy wasting my time!
Kill yourself slowly

You won't have "assigned curses" in any of those things and you will always be allowed to apply Corruption, you fucking retard. Don't ever reply to me again.

>Wrath was peak!
>TBC reached peak and wrath was only stagnated because people were leaving as fast as new ones were joining
Fucking rekt Reply to try and save face

>it will surpass retail in player count in mere months
Somehow I don't feel like they are proud of Classic. So my guess is that no numbers are going to be released. You have to be subbed to WoW to play classic so it doesn't matter if you don't play retail, you pay money for an active sub. They may boast about how much players are subbed but they won't make a distinction because from financial perspective there is none. There is however a difference that Classic won't have the ingame store, so that's going to be a problem for them. But that's not for general public to see.
>Blizzard will have to open more servers
Similarly, if they want to obscure classic's numbers, they'd just increase the capacity of the servers so there's an impression that what they have now is enough.

In other words, even if Classic is going to get bigger they'll try to either hide it or pretend that retail that's still bigger. Now on the other hand they can possibly do it the other way around and be proud of how well Classic is doing so later they can use that success to boost retail too by implementing classic-like changes there, or straight up giving the Classic dev team creative control over retail's future. But seeing what's been going on so far I somehow doubt they are going to be very public in admitting that Classic is doing better than Retail.

This, by far most players don't care about all the classic vs retail debate.
Most people just play wow as a social thing.

OMG RETAIL WOW IS SO GOOD
MY TRANSMOG, MY MOUNTS, MY PET BATTLES
youtube.com/watch?v=fLWuADfyq7E
fucking die

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Most people don't share Yea Forums's retarded views on WoW

Alright class, let's review:

>Faerlina
The streamer e-celeb cancer server.
The majority of Twitch and Youtube streamers will congregate here.

>Herod
Reddit and WoW forum super-aids hive cluster.
It is so overpopulated that there was a blue post begging people to leave.
If population does not go down much, it will likely be unplayable for days.

>Whitemane
Lots of reddit and /vg/ guilds.
This server was memed hard and is listed at full capacity.
Expect very high queue times and high amount of tranny drama here.

>Thalnos
The designated Portugese\Spanish\French server for Brazilians and other South Americans, Mexicans, and French Canadians.
Avoid this place if English is your only language.

>Fairbanks and Stalagg
Lots of boomers + refugees from Herod's queue times.
Should be good choices if you just want a normal PVP server.

>Grobbulus
The only RP-PVP server. Expect lots of boomers who like to RP and great character names.
Only 1 known /vg/ autist guild, so just ignore them.
This should be an all around great server.

>PVE servers
Take your pick.
Streamers who are not interested in PVP are rolling on Pagle.

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100% based and truth pilled. Retail fags dont want to admit it but sub numbers dont lie.

>No one agrees with you.
I agree with him, Vanilla and TBC were the ONLY periods in WoWs history where sub numbers rose, every other period they fell until WoD when China retards bought in and even they left in a few months.

>gut the fuck out talents
>make shitty "talent" rows even more shittier
>unique
At least legion's artifact weapons gave us a psuedo talent tree with neat shit instead of this absolute retard azerite armor classes in retail are as unique as a fucking pile of dog shit

>classicfag getting absolutely demolished, circa 2019, colorized

We're both wrong then, since that also disproves 10 million in vanilla, as you originally claimed.

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I'm a 31 year old neet loner that has no friends and stays inside all day except for when I get contract jobs to earn some money to live on. How the fuck are these people even more pathetic then me?

OMG CLASSIC IS SO GOOD BECAUSE IT'S LIKE OLD AND LIKE HAS SOUL

Leveling is just as fun in retail. But it's not fun for people who's been doing that for more than a decade already.

>proving yourself to be an idiot to prove another person is an idiot
Impressive, as expected of Yea Forums.

>since that also disproves 10 million in vanilla, as you originally claimed.
>10s of millions of CHARACTERS
Fucking lol learn how to read dumb shit. You didnt even bother to read what I was replying to this has nothing to do with subs you just brought it up and I like the feeling of showing how stupid you are.

Here is your last (you) since I know all you're going to do is spend the next hour trying to save face on an anonymous image board.

oh so thats why every BFA Q#A was 90% downvoted and the twitch chat spam was TALK ABOUT CLASSIC
fuck off you absolute delusional faggot
go pay blizzard $25 for the 15th anniversary mount like a good goy

Why do all classicfags type like this is a twitch chat?

>Leveling is just as fun in retail.
>Every class is the same, zero community, LFG for dungeons, dead world, easier than any other version of WoW
No. And I could list more reasons for hours but you're just a moron who has never played vanilla before.

You're going to come back to Yea Forums in a month saying you were wrong and I will just laugh.

>vanilla had the highest number of subscribers!
This little fact will blow your mind because you were not even born back when vanilla was released, but it was considered the most casual MMO out there.

can't wait

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literally true though?
you're not very smart are you?

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>you're just a moron who has never played vanilla before
lol have you?

all that shit people complain about were even worse in vanilla
and no,I don't mean autistic tryhard bullshit that retards will complain about no matter what
i mean actual fun mmo content like more races, classes, mounts, vehicles professions, mini-games, cutscenes, quality of life shit
all the shit that made people play wow for 15 years.
classic is a nostalgia gimmick that will be dead within days of being released once you retards realize it's primitive garbage and won't take you back to the golden age of mmorpgs

Please do not encourage people to roll on Grobb because it's some kind of safe haven. It's meant for roleplayers, not casuals or tryhards that want a breather.

>he uses cookie-cutter generalizations like "IT WAS BETTER" and "IT HAD SOUL" to defend his shitty version of the game
lol poor vanillafag

>classic is a nostalgia gimmick that will be dead within days of being released once you retards realize it's primitive garbage and won't take you back to the golden age of mmorpgs
that is why it got 300,000 signature petition, asmongold beating deadmines for the first time peaking 100k viewers (highest even viewer count for any WoW stream since Twitch launched), or the many Classic content creators that have sprung up with multiple 100,000s of views on youtube? Okay user.

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ahem

Nelves are FUCKING SHIT

s of millions of CHARACTERS
That's not what you actually wrote.

Here's what you wrote :
>TENS of millions of level 60 accounts
There wasnt 10 millions accounts in vanilla, much less 10 millions accounts with max level characters

it literally isn't. classic is objectively a bad game by today's MMORPG standards and it was only good back then because it was the first one you played and didn't know better

>dons every heirloom possible and chain-spams lfg to the cap
>wonders why it's not the same
Have you actually tried playing WoW as a video game aside from vanilla? Here's a little task for you: bring a friend who has never played WoW or other MMOs in his life to retail and level with them on their terms. Come back to Yea Forums in a few months and thank me later.

anyone who talks like this, I can tell they never played real Vanilla WoW between 2004-2006, never experienced it, never had a pentium PC with 128mb of ram, dial up internet, 3 fps in org, 10 fps in the barrens, leveled to 60, realized how great it really was. I can easily see when people post like this, they have no idea what they are talking about. its funny really.

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vanilla is a really good game

im going to play it and have fun

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i only started playing wow with legion but never really got into world pvp

can't wait to go gnome rogue and gank people/annoy em

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>i mean actual fun mmo content like more races, classes, mounts, vehicles professions, mini-games, cutscenes, quality of life shit
You are whats wrong with video games

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Yes

>y-you havnt played it!
Have you? You can go play it right now and see how casual and easy it is. Classic isnt like it at all because its actually fun to level and play. Discussion over.

Yeah the raped classes that have no individuality and 1 shot all the mobs without having to ever worry about managing aggro/mana/health is really fun

Noooo vanilla WoW was the most hardcore mmo! My favorite streamer said that and he was playing almost since vanilla so it's true!

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don''t bother user. its easy to tell that are dumb retailers who never played real 2004-2006 vanilla in any capacity.

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retail is a bad single player game

You're thinking of Aspect of the Viper

Hardest raids in current WoW? Are we playing different games? WoW hasn't had an exciting, challenging boss since Ulduar.

flying ruined the zones and travel, which therefore ruined the game.

>muh viewers
it's empty hype
zooms zooms will watch anything if their idol streams it
still a pathetic number compared to retail's million+ subs

Post profile so we can see your mythic azshara kill.

>it's empty hype
right, so that is why Classic streams have been thousands of viewers above any BFA stream for MONTHS now? Lmao. You're so stupid.

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> endgame content
> not a waste of time

hm.

>it's not hardcorez enough for me
You are mistaking being a chore for actual difficulty. Again, you haven't played the game as a game and not a number simulator since vanilla. I'm sorry you're this delusional.

>tfw in 10 days all the zoomers will get their "I played vanilla" card
>they will learn how horribly designed that game was
>they will learn how easy and braindead that game was
>they learn that "vanilla was hard" meme is just a meme perpetuated by retards who can't even clear current content in wow

Can't fucking wait for this massive delusion about vanilla wow to burst in 10 days.

>i mean actual fun mmo content like more races, classes, mounts, vehicles professions, mini-games, cutscenes, quality of life shit
>mmo content
>mini-games
You know this whole Classic debacle made me think about what really is a "MMO"

Its a massively multiplayer online game. When you think about it, everything that is not related to that is not MMO content, like instanced PvP. For all extents and purposes that shouldn't exist in WoW, neither should closed instanced dungeons or raids. If you're making an MMO you should focus on being an MMO and taking advantage of a huge persistent world with lots of players, everything that isnt that is just something that other games do better.

Shit, thats why retail died, its not an MMO anymore.

ima eat your corpse just because you said that

dude go login to bfa or something. you're having a heart attack, I think you should do a world quest to calm down

Why can't Blizz just add one more PVP server for the east coast? This is fucking ridiculous.

I did, though. Bought WoW immediately when it came out in 2004.
That's how I know vanilla is shit. Unlike the zoom zooms who are hyped about it without even being born when vanilla came out that comprise most of the classic player base.
These zoomers will drop it immediately when they realize it is nothing like what you and the streamers whose cocks they suck told them it would be like.
It will be dead in a week.

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Sounds like the perfect time to grind dungeons for great gear

>it's empty hype
>empty
>hype
>E M P T Y
A QUEUE

TO REGISTER

NAMES

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Funny how it's always the people saying that the game is too easy who usually only have raid finder kills.

>next expack squishes levels to 60, restores talent trees, deletes all previous expansion content due to some "healing of azeroth" event and is effectively classic+

Would you be happy?

I've played vanilla, ive played retail. I know retail is easy as fuck and vanilla is hard.

What are you actually expecting here? You're going to say some magic words that change anyones mind? You're wrong, and thats that.

This. The shitstorm when it flops is going to be so fun bros. It's actually what I'm hyped about.
The shitting on classicfags in this board will be legendary, bros

>nooooo stop discussing videogames dont inslut my baby's first mmo

>I did, though. Bought WoW immediately when it came out in 2004.
>That's how I know vanilla is shit.
and retail is amazing? damn man. that is pretty bluepilled but you do you I guess. you don't have to play it. But why seethe and say it'll be dead in mere days? What is your goal? Blizzard even made blue posts saying the influx of players is so high they are worrying and telling people to switch server or expect 10,000+ player queues.

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I would have liked to see them do a reboot like OSRS.
I don't want to play vanilla WoW again, I want a game like vanilla WoW but with new content.

>gut the fuck out talents
Oh god yes my UNIQUE Paladin with +4% crit instead of +5%

>normal people
I'll be having fun in classic once it releases!
>retailfags and contrarians:
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They will, they said they dont want to add any more servers after adding the last two until those two fill up as well.

Every day the servers fill up more and more so they have to bring in more servers soon. Every day i've checked the servers and they are still filling up day by day.

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>registering names
I fucking hate the MMO fanbase so fucking much I don't even know why I still come to these shitty fucking threads.

jfc, stop projecting this much, vanillafag.

stop seething retail fag

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fuck yes, I just want talent trees back and be able to spend point now and then.

>turning retail into classic
No, I dont want retail players in Classic.

Classic needs to go to Classic+ and retail needs to keep getting endless raids added to keep those fags away from Classic+.

Why are Blizzshills so defensive?

They should've done this for BC, WotLK or cata instead of vanilla.

>vanilla is shit
>B-BUT RETAIL!
Retail is better in every way, what was your point again?

>endless raids
you mean more world quests, Kill 10 Nagas daily quests, timegating, and prune more spells.

retail is shit too, but at least has 15 years worth of content and improvements. which is what was keeping people playing WoW since TBC
>muh queues
asmongoloid zoomers flooding the server.

One common thing I've noticed about vanillababs in these threads is that they all unanimously call retail "dumbed down" and "easy", but never post their AotC clears. Ever. I wonder why...

>Classic needs to go to Classic+
Can't really see that happening, within a month we'd have petitions demanding new classic only servers.
Fuck off zoomer all expansions are garbage, nobody cares that you started late.

Petitions, viewers and "content creators" does not equal a strong and consistent playerbase. There will be tourists, but their attention spans are fleeting and vanilla WoW is honestly too boring to hold their attention compared to virtually any other game out there today.

Yes, because vanilla had such fun epic quests like "kill 50 quilboard for mankuck in the barrens also his wife xD"

>no arguments
>posts memes
Of course.

Vanillacucks are the biggest Blizzshills around.

>Retail is better in every way, what was your point again?
oh.. okay. That is why Vanilla WoW got a 9.2/10 from reviewers on Metacritic, the highest rating out of EVERY WoW Expansion after, while current retail BFA has the lowest Metacritic score for WoW ever? you retard.

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The single most important part of a MMO is your immersion into your character and journey.

Yes, it seems small and stupid to care about your character name, but so does everything which went wrong in WoW
>Takes a long time to travel around, its only a little thing to bring in flying right?
>Takes a long time to get into dungeons, its only a little thing for LFG right?
>Some of these specs are not quite as balanced as others, its only a little thing if we make them all the same right?
>PvP doesnt really progress like leveling does, its only a little thing if we release gear for it right?
>10 years later
>Why does everyone say retail WoW is a raid gear treadmill? You asked for streamlining!

I just hate WoW in general and I belive that if this games wasn't made, then we would've been living in a much brighter timeline, where Blizz is still making good games.

>Yes, because vanilla had such fun epic quests
yeah it has. but you wouldn't know this. Cataclysm nuked them all for QoL shit.

Vanilla was hard for 10 y.o. kids playing their first MMO, or maybe video game in general. Do you think people who have been keyboard turning and clicking their abilities were pro gamers that suddenly seemed stupider because the game was so hardcore? And the game was designed exactly with these people in mind, because it was designed to be casual from ground up.

But it won't be a problem for modern zoomers because they are trained by mobile games to enjoy menial tasks and endless grinds. They'll feel right at home in Classic. There's nothing really to achieve since all the content is not only clearable by 40 braindead retards on 56k internet and pre-00 PCs, and if not there's tons of people to carry them since the content has been solved for years and every optimal thing needed to farm raids is already known.

The success of Classic proves that every change after TBC was wrong.

Imagine, 10 years of Blizzard updates were a mistake, proving for once and all that the raid fags were wrong.

i think WotLK is the perfect balance between having things to do but still being a social game.
we can only hope that once people get bored of vanilla in a month or 2 they'll add BC and eventually WotLK.

>Blizzard even made blue posts saying the influx of players is so high they are worrying and telling people to switch server or expect 10,000+ player queues.

Because everyone piled into one server instead of spreading out so no shit sherlock.

It's because they think doing LFRs and Dungeon Finder groups the endgame.
They find it easy, so they quit and then whine about lack of endgame content and how Dungeon Finder ruined the game.
Conveniently, they tend to forget that the more challenging content requires talking to people to get in groups and actual communication, but that goes against the narrative.

>Vanilla was hard for 10 y.o. kids playing their first MMO
Average age of a WoW player in 2004 was 24 to 34

Average age for Classic is the same as well, 50% of players fit in that bracket. There are more 24+ age people than < 24 aged kids.

>having to walk to dungeons is what makes a game good
this is weapons grade autism

They better have brought back the lootlag eternal kneeslide bug.

It ain't even out yet nigger, let's not go patting ourselves on the back too hard just yet.

>the more challenging content is just the same shit again
thats why the game is shit

>Metacritic
lol?

>horde
>not the faggot faction

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You can't fix retail. There's too much fat.

For example, the amount of mounts. Rare mounts mean nothing anymore because there are so many rare mounts you cant even tell which mounts are rare anymore.

>Because everyone piled into one server instead of spreading out so no shit sherlock.
no, it was because they only had 1 server because blizzard were retarded. they added an additional one after, but no one wanted to move.

aside from the highest tier of content (which only a tiny % of the playerbase exposes themselves to), the game is easier and dumbed down

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based fun poster

Better than 40-man tank and spank shit which only deluded vanillacucks think are challenging

ah, so Metacritic matters when we talk about Breath of the Wild or Red Dead 2, but not now? So sad user.

>Low ping

I'm not a 16 year old any more, my twitch reflexes have dropped off these days. Thus this was a key reason why I even bothered to give it a shot.

If I was stuck on the ~200ms ping servers when vanilla launched, there's no chance I'd be playing this.

>Jet Set Radio on dreamcast has 94 on metacritic
>Jet Set Radio on PS3 has 75 on metacritic and on X360 has a 70
WHOAH, it's almost like standards change, but you delusional classicfags actually think that WoWclassic won't be rated even worse than BfA.

>thank god I don't have to travel through world in World of Warcraft
>thank god I can just jump from one instanced zone to another
>those other people from all other servers randomly assigned to my group? could be bots for all I care
>I love MMOs!

we didn't get long ping until WoD user, reminder

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If you fuck off back to /vp/ and never come back, maybe.

...he said after spending his night in Goldshire sucking futa draenei cock and getting rimmed by trans night elves while whining about the mean green people ganking him

Asmongold literally brainwashed a bunch of kids into agreeing with him on whatever he says and giving him money for shitting on blizzard EVERY SINGLE DAY mostly just repeating stuff he already said 5 minutes ago.
I didn't think Yea Forums had such a big twitch zoomer population but the classic wow threads make me want to burn this whole board to the ground.

Dude, there's 11 servers total for US alone.

>1 more week
>We're going home bros...
1 more week until Yea Forums is flooded with threads about how garbage "home" really is and how Blizzard fucked it up. I hope you fucking kill yourself when it turns out that Classic is complete shit and everyone turns on you, you pathetic shilling cunt

>Asmongold
literally who

lol looks like you ran out of arguments and are desperately reaching
I suggest going back to posting memes and funny black men. It suits your intelligence more

>US
yeah, you're retarded and didn't even read the shit at all.

people are saying dont join servers with streamers but whats going to happen when an up and coming streamer is playing on your server? you're going to be fucked either way.

Most people go with stupid names like Heelsloot and Beegdeeps and whine about other games in general chat. There's no immersion to be had in classic.

Say that to XIVtrannies too

Well, just choose a RP-realm. There's at least a good chance that there a few kids on there, especially on RP-PvE.

>he unironically says this when current horde is the streamer faction and bitch and moan about getting ganked by a Rogue manlet

this, most classicfags are just quoting what they heard on twitch. it's kinda pathetic.

There is an addon that puts the top comments for the quest under the quest text in your log.

Your name better be Chad

>walk to dungeon through a contentless wasteland
>classicfaggot: "wow truly an immersive experience. what an epic journey!"

>world full of shit to do in every corner. random coop quests and other players everywhere to help or compete with. world pvp that actually works.
>classicfaggot: "REEEEEEEEEE I DON'T WANT TO TELEPORT TO DUNGEONS"

Don't you faggots have a general to go to?

>not realizing the butterfly effect from LFG over doing chat yourself
I call this the Hogger effect.

You cant beat Hogger when you get his quest, hes too strong for most characters. When you get his quest you also get other quests in his area. Now this is whats important, you cant do it alone, but you can invite people and do it together, even two people can take him down quite easily. So what do people do? They party up. They do the quest but once you do, there is no reason to disband since you have other quests in the area. Inevitably what starts a making a party for one quest turns into having a party you keep for hours as you level together because its more efficient and the leveling system is designed to be linear.

Dungeons have the same Hogger effect, except it comes from the difficulty in finding people to play with. You can test this yourself playing Retail. Do any dungeon and look at the names of your party members, I guarantee in 90% of cases you will end a dungeon with different people than you started with. In vanilla if someone leaves, you've lost a person. And if its taking a while to get all the roles you need you take sub-optimal classes. But you do that dungeon with those people from start to finish, you deal with your unbalanced party and in turn its fun to do something unconventional like having 3 warriors, a priest and a druid, rather than a perfectly balanced self sufficient LFG party.

So yes, having to walk to dungeons, talk to people, and having to live with poor compositions and the flaws of humanity is good. It turns a predictable experience in a journey which you remember. Its the sort of silent feature which maybe Blizzard did not intend to make but created the community people love about WoW. And the other thing is its not time based, 2004 or 2019 it wont matter, I played Nost and it was exactly the same as when I played Vanilla because the silent features like Hogger are still there.

Are you so stupid that you can't even count past 2?

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why are so many posts in this thread about "streamers" and "stream views"
literally what the fuck are you doing watching someone else play a game
playing a video game is sedentary enough as it is, why add another layer of inaction? is playing it yourself too difficult?
and you people PAY these "streamers?" you know their names? you reference them in every day conversation? what is wrong with you?
i know every generation says the one after it is the worst, but zoomers and their streaming shit is fucking pathetic and you are truly the worst generation

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Im going to self fellatio myself about Classic killing retail and you cant stop me

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It's funny because when you shat on Asmongoloid before he criticized Blizz everyone on Yea Forums would agree with you, and on the same day he posted the video he was hailed as some anti-corporation rebel king who is "our guy".

How is the "teleporting to dungeons bad" argument even a thing?
Like, nigger, just don't use it?
You can still walk to all the dungeons if you want, there's literally no one stopping you from doing that.

Its some dumb "counter-culture" which is ironically just streamer culture.

People who complain about streamers are the same as stream watchers. Its all one giant pointless shitshow of stupidity.

Ignore them.

I want to play with normal people not retarded diapershitting RPers. But normies refuse to stop posting fucking dirge memes and ironically ask about Mankrik's wife so there's no place for people like me in classic.

lol go read some Angwe and how alliancekids demanded AI battlegrounds and then come back and let's have a talk about bitching and moaning.

>Paying $15 a month for the "privilege" of playing Blizzards 15 year old MMO

This is why Blizzard sucks you dumb niggers. If you plan on playing classic you're basically forbidden from ever bitching about the state of blizzard ever again.

See It has nothing to do with walking to dungeons, its about the feature forcing you to talk to people and care about your party.

there are so many posts in these thread about it because classicfags confuse zoomers following their favorite streamers with an active playerbase.
they don't understand that the large amount of pre-release activity surrounding classic comes from those zoomers who are not interested in playing the actual game

The game's not even out yet and the servers are full???

The 5 or 10 people I know IRL who are planning to play aren't playing yet. How is launch day gonna be anything but a 10,000 queue on every server fuckup?

>>world full of shit to do in every corner. random coop quests and other players everywhere to help or compete with. world pvp that actually works.
what fucking game are you even describing here?

no sympathy for the joe rogan fag lmao

>The reason you associate classic with happiness is because your life was probably a lot better back then.

Back then I was around 14, dont want to go into details but my life was pure shit and its now a lot better and I still look forward to classic

UUUH NOOO BECAUSE PAYING FOR VANILLA IS BASED AND REDPILLED AND WILL DESTROY BLIZZARD UHHH GO BACK TO THE R SITE?

Long blog post incoming

As it happens, I also tried out retail (or rather, up to Legion, I didn't buy BFA) to farm gold for a couple of play time tokens - I'd rather give Blizz 14€ than n*14€, n>1, and for some reason I felt like giving neo-WoW a more honest chance.

My impression was also a bit of a mixed bag. Picking up any of my 80-85s (I had every class at cap during Wrath) felt like playing somebody else's character so I leveled a bunch of 20s on trial account and then settled for shaman. Leveling actually felt surprisingly good: power levels actually seemed lower than the worst in Wrath where you had prot warriors making full blocks against dungeon elites and shit, never mind Cata, and level scaling actually allowed you to do zones properly without quests turning gray like they do in Cata.

Where I had previously given up (I quit for good during the first month of Cata, but had tried MOP for a few hours during some free game time offer) was in the introductory quests of Jade Forest. At the time it felt like stupid follow-the-arrow vehicle bullshit with forced melodrama. It still felt like stupid follow-the-arrow vehicle bullshit with forced melodrama, and introduction quests to WOD and Legion were even worse, but now that I pressed through, things opened up and I actually liked questing in MOP and Legion content a lot (WOD, at least Draenor versions of BEM/Netherstorm, I didn't like). There were stupid vehicle and meme quests but outside individual they weren't really any more offensive than Wrath and at times they even managed to be kinda cool (like "Dances with Ravenbears", or extremely lengthy Suramar questline in Legion). Hell, Legion questing at times felt like "World of Warcraft" with some quests taking you across zones not just in the Broken Isles but also in other expansion areas. MOP dungeons were giant memes with a lot of RP and gimmicks and little dungeoneering, BFA and Legion actually were kinda nice.

>The game's not even out yet and the servers are full???
Yes, and the servers are somewhere between 50% to 100% larger than the 2004 servers.

And yes, the game will have massively queues on launch because not enough servers.

why is OSRS more popular than 2007 runescape while also having a playerbase mostly in their 20's despite its massive twitch presence?

>walking to dungeons is immersive!
>okay, you can still do that in retail...
>NO IT'S NOT ABOUT THE WALKING TO THE DUNGEON, IT'S ABOUT SOCIALIZING
again, you can still talk to people in retail, what is even your point?

Because in reality there are no queues, Blizzard is trying to generate goodwill by having fake queues before launch and then "fixing" it before release. It's a marketing tactic.

>Average age of a WoW player in 2004 was 24 to 34
Wasn't that because there were extreme outliers like 45 yo housewives playing alongside middleschoolers? I think there was a breakdown on age distribution in WoW at some point.

retail WoW

Rose-tinted glasses are a bitch.

This is where I must admit I've judged the game unfairly: some aspects like dungeon and world content, outside a few excessive bits, have gotten more to the direction of my liking than they were in Cata or even Wrath eras, and they've gotten many of the systems to kinda work that I thought were irreparably broken (like addressing power levels while leveling).

On the other hand, there's a lot of things where I think I've been entirely right. For starters, while I already knew these things so the shock value is lost on me, the main plot is just horrendous. Light Lord Illidan, player character as THE hero, the entire plot of WOD... all of that is simply offensive, and typically presented in the offensive cutscene format or in instanced scenarios that are stupid at many other levels (like you kill mobs by their hundreds and then a major lore character gets killed by a regular mob). Side quests being as or more compelling than before doesn't fix that.

>retail
We're talking about classic, you illiterate green nigger. Classic horde is full of faggots and streamers so enjoy the twitch emotes while crying that Stoneform counters blind.

Read

>contentless wasteland
I collect some ore, find a rare that spawned, and get attacked by oposing faction, or if nothing like that happens talk with my guild.

Dude, don't even bother arguing with vanillabitches. They literally have room temperature IQ.

Yeah dude there's no interest in Classic WoW at all. The daily 500+ threads are all shills

>care about your party.
nobody actually does this. you /1 LFM dungeon in world chat, invite some people who your only exchange of dialogue with was "23 rogue inv" "/invite", call the healer a retard when the party wipes, complete your quests and be done with it

>Wasn't that because there were extreme outliers like 45 yo housewives playing alongside middleschoolers?
No its pretty standard across all gaming. The average gamer is 30ish.

This idea of gaming being a child hobby is just wrong. And it doesnt matter what you look at, the only cases where it isnt that high is when you have a school frenzy FOTM game like Minecraft and Fortnite. That doesnt apply to the majority of games, even BF/CoD/Fifa, ect

Secondly, while specs in some ways tend to be more unique than previously, thematically and in some sense even mechanically (say, the difference in raw innate tankiness between brewmasters and bears is greater than warriors and pallies in vanilla or something), they all seem to come to very much the same conclusion (in this case canceling stagger damage amounting to largely the same mitigation as what ferals get with their toolkit). Difference in ROLES seems to be basically non-existent, even in Wrath you had a few specs like demonology and unholy that brought something unique to the table. Worse, pretty much every spec seems to feature some sort of builder-spender playstyle. Now that I've played the game, I actually kinda get where they're coming from (management of these elements allows controlled damage/healing/active mitigation to hit specific burst windows) but it contributes to every class feeling the same and I don't think it fits many of them at all and many specs that I used to like don't seem to have any flow at all, in some cases made worse with exaggerated animations that I don't like. For example, enhancement feels completely ruined compared to how it was in Wrath (ele and resto, on the other hand, I did like), even vanilla/TBC because I really just don't like the new animations and core spells (in terms of raw gameplay feel, other mechanical issues are besides the point).

>world full of shit to do in every corner
post-Cataclysm WoW when they decided to have smaller zones with more quests instead of large stretch of lands containing nothing
>random coop quests
post-Legion WoW when they added random world quests and implenebted auto-LFG for world quests
>other players everywhere to help or compete with
post-Draenor WoW when they added layering so questing is full of other players even on empty servers
>world pvp that actually works
haven't played BfA but isn't that part of what it was going to be about? fixing world PVP?

regardless, these are all improvements that are not in vanilla and are much better than your fetishized walking to dungeons that you autists are so obsessed with for some strange reason

>he's still rolling on Herod

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t. never played vanilla or nost

Literally never true, I added and got added all the time from dungeons and people talking while leveling and dungeons, no one talks in retail dungeons and his points are all right

Classic threads used to die before they hit 150 posts. They're kept alive by FFXIVchads trolling and seething classicfriends replying to them

ACTION ACTION ACTION I NEED ACTION MOMMY I CAN'T BE PATIENT GIVE ME IT ALL NOW!

And finally, and this is the most gamebreaking bit, progression mechanics are BEYOND AWFUL. Let's not even get into 80-110 (120?) having no character progression whatsoever due to level scaling, the systems relating to loot and raid progression and shit are just total garbage. Quest rewards upgrading to epics ("epic is the new white"), items rolling new stats as though you were playing Diablo, completely absurd catchup mechanics like being able to purchase ilvl 265 legendaries from two day's work on world quests when you still haven't finished questing and you're getting ilvl 160 greens (unless they get these RNG upgrades), utterly boring itemization, you name it. And then you have progression tied to Facebook games tied to reputations tied to dailies. All of that is just absurd to me, and makes the game feel 1000% more grindy than it was in vanilla/Wrath, in worst possible ways (having to constantly log in not to miss order hall missons or other daily rewards, as opposed to at least be able to allocate the playtime to your own schedule)

Given that questing actually isn't as unbearable as I previously thought (but actually good!) and that I already knew I would have liked to do progression raiding if I didn't hate the rest of the game, I actually feel there are periods of the game that I've missed out since 4.0.3. On the other hand, in other ways I feel my assessment of neo-WoW has been 100% accurate and that I really dodged a bullet by mostly quitting prior to 3.2 and finally cutting in 4.0.3.

>voluntarily playing on a server called Stay Lagged

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Yeah no, people talk a lot more in vanilla because you have to. Its okay you'll learn that when you ditch retail and play classic.

>Retail seethes
Don't worry you can still play retail :)
pfffffffthahhaa

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>106 posters
>344 replies
this is either a shill thread or there is one nigger just baiting the fuck out of all of you.

>he thinks wasting all this time finding people and waiting for them to gather up is fun
>he thinks wasting even more time finding people after they leave the party is fun
>he thinks having basic QoL functions is bad
This is your brain on vanilla

Classic is just a virtual museum exhibit depicting the best 2 fucking years in MMO history (2004-2006).

Classic players are just reanacting the lives of those brave souls who sought to carve out an existence during the glory days.

see

>I played Nost and it was exactly the same
Because most people who were playing Nost were seeking that exact experience. You can't say that "everyone these days will do exactly that" judging only by people who play the game to do exactly that. Granted even on Classic a lot of people will join knowing that this is the "correct" way to play the game, but it's impossible to predict if everyone is going to be like that. And also you can't really measure just how many people don't do that because you rarely meet them since they play mostly solo.

that's what the post/IP ration looks like in a thread with actual discussion and not coombrain spamming

>playing classic
>caring about classic
Oh man, an alliancefag AND a classicunt, you are quite the gem.

If you disagree, play retail.

Lucky for you, you dont have to play classic which is so bad and awful. Enjoy your single player RPG, ill enjoy the features of a real MMO.

Did you know you dont even need to post in these classic threads getting mad at others having fun? I know radical right?

I never played WoW but I love MMOs, would you say trying classic out would be a good idea?

It's the best and worst $15 bucks you'll ever spend.

Thanks, now fork over that 15 dollar/month, vanillaboy. I need more money for that content development.

>Because most people who were playing Nost were seeking that exact experience.
Nope, its the features which caused the community. I explained it pretty clearly, vanilla had it, nost had it, and classic will have it.

And its the most common experience because everyone who actually played vanilla had that experience.

>dude wow classic
>we're going home bros
>getting to 60 is SO difficult I can't even
>collecting 50 bear asses is full of SOUL
>holy shit you can WALK to dungeons

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Play for a bit on a private server before spending money in case you don't like it

>How is launch day gonna be anything but a 10,000 queue on every server fuckup?

Blizzard is too cheap to have more servers since they dont believe in classic, from what we saw they are telling people to go on other servers otherwise you will wait for hours until you are able to join a full server

>Randoms dispelling debuffs that last 15 years on my rogue that prevent me from stealthing
I love every single one of you, thank you. That's the reason I never charge for opening boxes and I never reserve items, even when I bring tank and heal with me.

Its the best MMO ever made so you basically have to play it

Ignore the retail version, its not an MMO and not WoW. More like a bad version of Diablo.

>this is either a shill thread
It's a shame the archive is down because I've seen several posts in these threads with filenames that only participate in CTR threads defending microtransactions and the occasional destiny thread.

>gets proven wrong
>"g-g-go play retail then!"
Poor vanillacuck. Also I will keep making retards like you seethe in every vanilla thread I care to post in. Your tears are tasty.

kek

>yfw classicfags are literally going to finance the next expansion

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'Questie!' You're welcome noob faggot.

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Imagine playing undead. Actually worse than niggers fucking disgusting cunts. They are the only thing making the horde such a shit hole. Every fucking undead is played by a fat fucking retard metalhead with unwashed hair that smells of mcdonalds that think they are gods at pvp. Stupid undead

she looks like a tranny

It's a prank bro, I actually hate WoW and Blizzard but I will give them my money to spite the retailfags.
WE ARE GOING HOME BROS

And then Blood Elves happened.

Yeah that's why I feel like this whole queue thing is made up to astroturf interest in the game. FFXIV threads being deleted on sight (and hitting 600 posts in an hour if they weren't) while classic threads died before they hit 100 posts until just recently is fishy as fuck.

Someone got ganked and cannibalized before releasing spirit lol

Any Stalagg bros in here?

>casual
>Horde
>retailfag
Ayy lmao, I knew you were a brainless nigger but this is getting absurd

kek is that what classicfags think is happening?
I have news for you:

yfw the next expansion copies Classic and we go full circle.

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he said as he turned PVP off and posted another Garithos meme on the internet whining about how orcs get all the human girls

and what will that achieve?
>You will still go around aoeing 15 mobs
>youwill still have rng randomized loot
>you will still have all items streamlined into single stat - ilvl
>you will still have 10 skills at max level
>you will still have aids pvp with everyone having retarded self healing and literally invincible healers and tanks
>you will still have infinite mana
>you will still have lfr and lfd
>you will still have flying
>you will still have the game about mountspetscheevos collecting
retail is pozzed beyond repair

and yet still better than vanilla lmao

reporting in.
Playing with a buddy who's spent years on a private server, will be interesting playing with him

it really isnt lol
even the streamers you cucks worship admit it

TBC was the best. Vanilla wasn't that great.

>current year
>playing wow
>playing ANY blizzard games
>GIVING nu-blizzard money

really hope you lads dont do this

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Retail players actually play the game. You are confusing them with vanillacucks.

>he's cuckold aswell

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Flying mounts and welfare epics kind of killed the game.

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based

TBC without flying and pvp cancer sounds fine by me, maybe 12 months or so after classic launch we can get some TBC classic servers

>chad slav says retail is better
>virgin balding american says vanilla is better
I guess you decided who you're siding with.

Will people post Chuck Norris jokes in Barrens chat for old time's sake?

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>fucking another man's girl is being a cuckold
>posts funnay TF2 memes
>is an alliancefag
Keep talking to me, I'm having too much fun

>flying mount
>resilience
>blood elves
Nah

>Thinking an outdated grindy piece of shit game will last more than a few months

The only positive thing is that it will show that WoW was never good and the game will shut down for good.

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>>STOP IGNORING ME
>as he posts his shitty pasta in classic thread
Like pottery.

>AHAHAH YOU RETAILKEKS ALWAYS LISTEN TO STREAMERS AND SHIT HAHA
>Actually, these are vanillafags. They always post youtube links with Asmongold and how vanilla will save the mmo scene.
>UHHHH NOO O THIS IS BAIT

yeah sure
after they are done with their daily chores of worldquests and m+ key they can “play” the game by clearing old raids for transmog lmfao

>these are all improvements that are not in vanilla
When people are talking about "fixing" world PvP, they are talking about returning to the World PvP that was common in vanilla.

have sex zoomer

>flying
>arena
>set the standard for turning every previous lore character into a loot pinata

Anybody who thinks vanilla is better than TBC never did Shadow Labs back when it was relevant. Such a kino dungeon will never be made again

You sound mad

Original RS > OSRS > Classic > Getting circumcised > playing retail

i stopped playing retail at the beginning of BFA so I can't say about the raids for this xpac, but MoP, WoD, and Legion all had excellent raid bosses, WoD specifically. Its a shame that xpac failed in every other way, because all the raids, especially BRF, were amazing on all difficulties.

Or y'know, the closer the game comes to release, the more people are interested in the game.

After all there's only so much you can sit around speculating.

>haha they actually play the game and enjoy current and past content haha seethe harder retailcuck!
Go donate Asmongold some of your mom's money, dude. Maybe he will say your name live.

>gut the fuck out talents
I loved original wow to death and will play classic but you're deluding yourself if you think old talents were somehow more complex. in the end everyone had to use the same 1-2 cookie cutter specs anyway. One thing I'll say is it just felt good to get a skill point every level.

Is pilav the only based wow eceleb?
youtube.com/watch?v=GN0aFc7HJHo

Is it free to play? If it's not i don't care.

I cant wait for all the [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] posting in chat since its funny to post long names like [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker] in chat like this [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]

You sound retarded

retailcucks are reaching cope levels that shouldn't even be possible.

What's wrong with flying? I remember having tons of fun with it when it was new.

BC has some cool dungeons, some of the best in the game. Does not change he fact it destroyed certain aspects of Classic. The launch was pretty terrible too.
Also, fuck blood elves.

this but unironically

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What is there to speculate about you fucking sperg? The game came out 15 years ago, you know literally everything about it before it was even greenlit for release

>half of the thread is filtered
>again
Why are you faggots so butthurt? Although I guess the amount of threads doesn't help.

kills world pvp since flying combat doesn't exist, there's no way to get someone off a flying mount unless they are flying within your range on the ground

Silverpine has a few points where you run out of quests. It spans from like lvl10 all the way to mid 20s, but doesn't actually have enough quests to support that.
You can grind, but time is better spent going to the barrens really. You have to make the trip there at some point, and you may as well spend your time working on WC quest chains instead of grinding in silverpine.

Don't forget
>AHAHAHA ASMON IS SUCH A KEK IMAGINE WORSHIPPING AN E-CELEB FUCKING ZOOMERS
>WOAH HOLY SHIT RICHTURPIN IS SO BASED REMINDER TO FOLLOW HIS TWITCH STREAM AND SUBSCRIBE TO HIS CHANNEL BECAUSE IT'S FUN TO VICARIOUSLY LIVE THROUGH AN E-CELEB DOING THINGS I'M TOO SHIT TO DO MYSELF

>you will actually get ko'ed and see "kek" posted unironically as he teabags your corpse with /sit

Whatever you say, homo. At the end of the day, I'll just enjoy the game while you'll probably shitpost on classic threads while being afk in org.

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>look at me I'm filtering shit like a spastic
neck yourself

bro your post is so cringe I think it just titanforged

Yep. TBC committed many cardinal sins. Vertical progression is a mistake in mmo's

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>Hi, do you have a moment?
>We've received some reports that you've been spamming the World chat with item links.
>As a result, I am going to suspend your account for three days.
>Do you have any questions?

I never cared about pvp since I live in New Zealand and 400ms was the average ping.

WoW had vertical progression since vanilla you retard.

Levels are a mistake in MMOs. Its restricts gameplay, it doesn't enhance it.

Gear, talents, skills can be gained without gating them behind levels.

There is no reason why a starting zone has to become redundant, enemies and areas can be reused by changing variables and adding in mutators for players to return to once they have more gear/skills/abilities

Who /Whitemane/ here?

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I heard rolling on GolemaggEU.
RIP Golemagg Horde

I'm pretty ok with that

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Most of those threads that died with barely any respone was due to a lack of information about the specifics, you retard.

>Will layering be in
>What patch will they be using
etc.

TBC did everything better, from itemization(tier sets for each spec) that's not random stats, better dungeons and raids and making the non functional specs viable for raids (looking at you shadow priest and enhancer).
The only thing I disliked was the overall aesthetic, I just don't like space deserts.
I would still argue that it was the perfect expansion.

>he is mad the some people filter his buzzwords
Maybe if you faggots were original then I wouldn't have to filter you. As it stands, the amount of buzzwords is staggering.

Have fun dude. I'll be ganking hardcore alliance kids in Goldshire and at the gates of Stormwind while your mom sucks my big green dick.

Ultima Online, not the current model, but older UO, was perfect. You could gain 7 or 8 skills and use them all however you wanted, or change them out through play.

>>Do you have any questions?
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Whenever someone eats up whatever shit blizzard throws out remember: they promised us flying combat and 5 expansions later we still don't have it.

just read nigger, this isn't morrowind the quests tell you exactly where to go.

that's nice. Where are your arguments?

sorry for the dumb question, but if i want to play this, will i have to re subscribe? or is it a different kind of subscription just for classic

>People now know not to stand in the fire
if you play retail and go into LFR, you'd know this is blatantly not true
>People widely use dps meters
I haven't played since Legion so things could have changed, but every other dungeon I ran without my guild, or raid that i pugged on an alt, there was always at least 3 people asking for someone to post dps charts.
>People widely use leveling addons
there hasn't been a need to use a quest addon since before cata when they made all quests and their locations appear on your map. Since a lot of people playing classic are going to be playing it for the first time, it's fair to assume a decent amount of them won't be using leveling addons.
>People no longer care about completing the dungeons, they care about completing it quick so they can do it again and loot their BiS handpicked on minmaxing website
this is going to be very likely true in guilds. I didn't pug content in vanilla-mop, so i dunno how it would work in a random environment. I DO know in guilds, need/greed looting is going to be very rare, and loot is going to be handed to people who show up and earn it, or those who need it most (at least in my guild)

Check out Project Gorgon. It's on steam.

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Just $15 for the sub. Would've been better if there was separate sub but I guess they want to boast about the jump in subs after the release.

They cant stop us bros. They are jealous because they lack the attention span. They are accumulated to instant gratification. Its okay. Its not their fault. Let them talk. We are going home, and nobody can stop us

If it goes back to a pure vanilla experience, Stormwind was the dueling hub. If anything you'll be the one getting corpse camped.

There is only one type of sub, it lets you play retail and classic. So yes you have to resub to play Classic.

subscribing gives you access to classic and retail

People just don't realize that walking to the dungeon is fun for a couple of years, but after 10 years of walking to the dungeon, you just want to do the damn dungeon and be done.

>announce something shit
>realise it's a shit waste of dev time and won't work, don't add it to the game
>FUK U BLIZ U LIED U PROMISED ME

Still waiting for that dance studio too, huh?

Don't forget the thread theme, bros:
music.youtube.com/watch?v=W7oZZJRV0Nw&feature=share

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>expecting an argument in response to no argument
why would I even bother

>Were going home
>nu-blizz
lmfao

>implying
lol alliancebabs have so much to learn about the cruelties of PvP life
I wish I was this naive

>not telling retailfags that they are retailfags
No, I must shitpost and call them fags until they admit the errors of their ways.

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Same old sub, if you are still playing retail (No fucking clue why you would, to be honest) no new subscription is required.

Current WoW basically removed level restrictions of zones by scaling everything you fight around your level. It's actually working pretty well in current times of super fast leveling, because you can't outlevel a zone and actually play through it. So you can be lvl40 and still do quests in Ashenvale as much as you like.

>Get banned for player harassment for corpse camping streamers
>Get banned for player harassment for corpse camping LGBT players

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So those threads had nothing to do with the game, just how much blizzard would fuck up. Almost like there was no interest in the actual gameplay. Curious isn't it? Almost like the people talking about how much they enjoy questing and leveling are, dare I say, shills?

Dunno, you bothered playing a shit game like vanilla, you can bother to answer my posts with arguments

The problem is retail WoW is a homogeneous casual mess.

Ditch WoW, start from scratch with no levels. Now that peoples net is better focus on faster more brutal combat with more emphasis on CC control and interrupting to win fights.

what's the alliance > horde equivalent of kek
i heard it was "bur"?

>NOOOOOOOOOO RETAIL ISNT SUPPOSED TO HAVE GOOD IDEAS!!! DELETE THIS INSTANTLY!!!
>HOME HOME HOME WE ARE GOING HOME

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I can post like 10 other lies if you want, here are just a few off the top of my head.
>New dances.
>Path of the titans
>No PvE -> PvP transfers
>They said they wouldn't allow you to roll both factions on PvP servers
>Sylvanas is not evil

>not naming yourself LGBTI-Pride and running around murdering streamers
>Forum Post: "I was banned for playing WoW - How this is a attack against the gay community"

I´m a gym bro, hate metal , take a shower every day and Iam not into pvp but Iam rolling an undead, what now?

>Field marshal in pvp
>So much to learn about PvP

Uh huh.

Yeah its bur

Didnt have the staying power of saying kek

Scaling is fucking horrible. I legitimately don't know if you guys are trolling or not.

>he thinks titles mean shit
lol you are such a fucking hardass, man.

YEAH BRO SCALING IS SHIT YOU NEED TO INSTANTLY DIE WHEN YOU SET FOOT IN A ZONE 2 LEVELS ABOVE YOU

It was a good idea in theory but in practice it just contributed to the homogenization problem.

>all these classic-cucks need to have retail sub to be able to play their 10+ y/o game.

Thanks for bankrolling the BfA and future expansions!

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>474543480
>>New dances.
Pointlesss garbage
>Path of the titans
Same shit as glyphs but even more useless
>No PvE -> PvP transfers
>They said they wouldn't allow you to roll both factions on PvP servers
PvP servers were always a garbage afterthought and don't even exist anymore
>Sylvanas is not evil
lol

isnt it still more like 8-9 days?

>captcha is temporary
fuck you moot

[Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Dickseeker]
heheeheheh

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well im not a zoomer so I did play vanilla wow yes. Most nerds back in the day did. And hopefully I can have some fun with it again
you on the hand cling to a soulless corporate shart version of the game devoid of both the “MMO” and “RPG” parts

How does scaling work with other players in the region? Like, if you're level 20 in Ashenvale, can you see level 40 players?

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If you were the guy I replied to that wanted low level zones still be relevant, the approach of elder's scrolls games or a system like runescape has with a learning by doing idea behind with a focus on professions would open a lot of opportunities. Yes we have that right now, with mining ore or gathering herbs giving a tiny bit of xp, but it's really not changing the focus of combat being the only way to progress.
Another game without levels is EvE. It has a huge skilltree, but your ship (gear) is what mostly counts.

>SAVE AS Yea Forums.HTA FOR EPIC LOLS
Reminder that thousands of people were actually dumb enough to fall for it.

Blizzcucks are okay with this lmao pvp in a pvp server is bannable oh no no no

There's a difference between a specific implementation and the overall system. Vanilla's implementation in particular can be excused by Blizzard at the time not even trying to make for compelling choices between talents, and perhaps more importantly, players often being oblivious to what's actually good so they WERE making choices that were novel to them. Hell, even now you find people speccing "wrong".

But are talents a good system that can make for meaningful character customization options? Yes and no. Now, there is precisely one optimal spec for a clearly defined scenario (which could be as specific as a specific boss with specific raid composition with a specific marquee player and trash player on some other role) and these are in principle theorycraftable and and you realistically CAN figure out that spec by running sims and other tools contemporary players have access to. However, having talent system isn't the only factor here: it's talents being an actual specialization! If you can change talents at a moment's notice, it's not exactly a specialization, is it? By making respeccing sufficiently difficult (50g in vanilla/TBC economy and only doable at class trainers, I think, is sufficiently tough) you can't pick the clearly defined optimal talents for each particular scenario but instead you have to make tradeoffs. And if with well-balanced talents, there are tradeoffs that are kinda unique to each player: one player might use a hybrid PvP/PvE spec because they want to do both but not at high enough level for optimization to matter, another might have an optimized spec for endgame 5-mans that augments his specific party composition. With sufficiently tough content or competition you have to go for more optimal builds for the specific scenario, but realistically there can be somewhat personal tradeoff builds.

What did FFXIV mean by this?

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Have you actually tried it? Or are you talking with you boomer goggles on and haven't touched the game in years? Because it actually does work well. Being able to quest in whatever area you want and skipping a zones you don't like is a blessing.

>[Thundercunt, Blessed Twat of the Queefseeker]
Or more accurately
>[Thunder***, Blessed **** of the *****seeker]

Sharding

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I don't want a stupid ass outdated piece of shit that I have already played ad nauseam I want WoW to be good again.

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what is fucking happening here

>Ugly anime poster
More like sharting

Why do faggots like you exist? Is your whole guild bailing on BFA to play classic or what? Why do you feel the need to try and convince people it will be bad?

I played vanilla day one and I wouldn't play it again unless someone paid me to do it.
> soulless corporate shart version of the game devoid of both the “MMO” and “RPG” parts
Funny way to spell "better and more entertaining version of the game"

They objectively do, especially in vanilla. Wouldn't know anything about later versions of WoW though since I quit before the end of TBC.

vanillacucks getting destroyed is happening

You see people fighting the same mobs as you while being 20 levels lower. It's a lot of server magic happening to make it work.

If that's the case, then I think level scaling doesn't work in its favour. It sounds good in theory because it gives you more choices to go when leveling, but it also means that the odds of you bumping into someone else around your level is pretty low.

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What happened.
a few years ago this place was full of people calling blizzard out on their shit.
somehow blizzard managed to make that hate for nu-wow into a profitable thing.
they literally got people to pay for a 15 year old version of the game, while those players think that somehow this is like a middle finger to blizzard, when in fact you're just giving them more money.
I don't like blizzard, but they sure are smart when it comes to marketing strategies.

It means dumbass blizzcucks holding on to hope that WoW Classic will save them.

(It wont becacause:)
>nu-blizz
>Will add cash shop

OH NOES WHAT WILL WE DO WITH ALL THESE PLAYERS HAVING FUN

NOOOOOOOOO

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Do you have brain damage? Legit question.
>Being able to quest in whatever area you want and skipping a zones you don't like is a blessing.
You also cant go back to previous zones and destroy them. Why does a wolf in the starting zone kick my ass at max level?
Farming low level mobs is destroyed.
Feeling of power gain, destroyed.
Uniqueness, destroyed.
Helping your friend as a higher level, destroyed.
Integrity of the world destroyed because sharding required.
Why? So you could skip a zone 2 levels early.
>Brain damage.

Yeah, it's just like it's been, but you can quest anywhere (assuming you meet the level requirement for the expansion. So, 1-60 you can do pretty much anywhere on the continents, the you choose between outland and northern, then panda, draenor, etc.

>he thinks without a hint of irony that pvp titles in vanilla meant anything other than autistic-like willingness to grind honor in battlegrounds
I love how you think the words you say mean something to people more experienced in the game than you.

ah well I genuinely believe you have to have some sort of disability to find modern wow entertaining
whatever floats your boat

>while those players think that somehow this is like a middle finger to blizzard, when in fact you're just giving them more money.
Why do dumb people keep saying this.

If a game is good I buy it, if its not I dont. Vanilla is fun, so I got a sub.

I dont give a shit who gets my money as long as IM happy with it. The moment blizz fucks this up which will likely be soon, I stop giving them money.

Its very fucking simple.

pay for my next expansion, nigger.

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>can't fill 12 servers
dead game

So you are retarded and haven't played. If you go back to the starting area at 120 the mobs will be gray and you can 1 shot them. You can 1shot anything that isn't BFA. Why do you insist on talking about shit you have no idea about?

>more experienced in the game than you

Highly doubt it. Especially when it comes to vanilla.

>NOOO NOO NOO YOU THINK YOU ARE HAVING FUN IN RETAIL BUT YOU DON'T
>ALSO NUMBER OF PLAYERS MATTER A LOT BUT ONLY WHEN WE TALK ABOUT VANILLA THE MILLIONS OF PLAYERS PLAYING RETAIL MEAN NOTHING OK?

That's not how it works. You see all players around you. You think about the old phasing mechanic.

It was an example you moron.

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What is it about Classic that causes so many anons to shit their beds?

ignore his post he is wrong. you will encounter other players just fine.
e.g. if you are level 25 and questing in ashenvale you can encounter other players regardless of their level. you will see a level 50 player.
thanks to sharding you will even encounter more players since it tries to fill up one shard at a time before creating a new one.

And I think you have to be a contrarian, braindead autist to enjoy vanilla in any way. Don't forget to donate to your favorite vanilla streamer!

>STOP NOT PLAYING RETAIL
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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An example that proves you have no idea what you're talking about.

Classic is a game people want to play. People still call them out, remember the don't you guys have phones moment. The classic and normal WoW audiences are also not the same.

I dont need to. Actiblizz makes more than enough from cash shop whales
they will keep shitting out expacs even if 100k people playing

Its fun to shitpost

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>realms are full on day 1
no way, it's not like this happens with literally every mmo and every expansion for online games ever in the history of modern gaming.

Can you make a version with Medium as well? I'm bad at editing images. Thanks

>bro i am a master when it comes to a dead version of a game I know what I'm talking about
What a coincidence. You can try to prove me wrong. Keyword being "try". Sorry if I insulted your honor grinding.

pretenting to like retail makes classicfags seethe

>STOP PLAYING CLASSIC
>RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>fuck lore
>fuck world pvp
>more minigames
>fuck raiding, now you will have to certain classes to even be able to progress
TBC apologists need to be hanged

Autistic faggots who continued to play the game as it continued to get worse and worse are now threatened by a hugh influx of people returning to the game, playing a version that essentially invalidates all the time they've sunk into retail.

Then you;ve got the FFXIV Trannies, which are a whole other type of faggotry.

still only 10% of retail players LMAO
dead within a month

streamers are retail thing, my dear tranny. They will all quit in a month once they realize their zoomer audience cannot handle watching it due to ADHD

Enjoy your sharding retailfag

It's mostly boomers warning zoomers who've watched too much assmongler that they're not going to enjoy themselves nearly as much as they think they are

classicfags will use literally anything to make classic look popular.
In reality it's only a few thousand people who are actually interested in it and by far most people are just interesting in checking it out for a few days since they probably never played vanilla and want to see what's so different.
most of them obviously won't stay around since the game is a lot more barebones than what they are used to.

>You don't know anything about PvP, except the fact you were constantly PvPing to the point where I will call you autistic because of it.

This is you. This is how stupid you sound.

>streamers are retail thing
Stay delusional, autist. Now give me your 15 dollars, daddy needs some more retail content.

>he doesn't level his warrior in prot, almost exclusively in dungeons

>he STILL thinks grinding honor with your pocket healer takes skill
lmao, so you give up?

Some of you faggots try too hard.

If vanillacucks did not try too hard they wouldn't be vanillacucks

You mean that people going into every server and reserving their names so they have alts on the "good" servers once the dust has settled doesn't mean the game is bursting at the seams with players? Perish the thought

we all know its same sub for both only because your shit game is on deathbed. Keep coping though

stop giving activision more money you absolute retards.
classic should've been free, it's literally a 15 year old game that hardly needs any maintenance and there's not enough servers to justify a 15 dollar/month price.
Stop being so easily tricked by corporations.

It's also worth noting that by Wrath, when people (and Blizzard) were beginning to systematically be able to figure out what's actually good, Blizzard actively worked to DISALLOW novel builds. They deliberately broke hybrid specs when they arised (like felguard/emberstorm), they even added mechanics on General Vezax to disallow maelstrom weapon dual-earthliving or Judgements of the Wise ret healing builds (you get aura that reduces your healing by 90% or something if you have specific talents), as opposed to allowing players to utilize such unique builds that would have fit that unique context - they weren't even any more powerful than disc priests would have been. In other words, the build diversity that was seen historically is basically the WORST implementation. If you deliberately tried to make a system that allows nontrivial choices, I'm sure you could do a lot better.

Besides, it's not just about the diversity of builds you actually see. Whether it's the same build everyone is running, by not being able to freely change talents you make the build feel like your specialization. Character progression mechanics are always fun. Having the ability to make "wrong" choices is better than having no choice whatsoever. And even in garbage implementations of vanilla through Cata, you DID have people customizing their builds on demand, even if it was small things like protadins taking Reckoning for Brutallus because there's no parry hasten, or Unholy DKs going for frost subspec over blood depending on their gear, or going frost to tank dungeons (blood is the cookie-cutter tanking spec... but that's for context of raids: burst AoE threat frost has makes it a superior choice for context of dungeons), or whatever.

I will. One of my biggest complaints about WoW back in the day was that every time I met someone at school or wherever who played WoW they were ALWAYS on a different server and I could never play with them. Even if I got a server transfer to play with one friend, I had 8 or so more on different servers and no one wanted to transfer because they were invested in their guilds. Shit really sucked. Now, you can invite someone to your party and it instantly puts you in the same shard no matter what server you're on and you can just play. I think shit phasing in and out on rare occasions is worth it personally.

you keep saying that for a decade now, it hasn't come true and never will
Now fork over the money.

I'll never understand why people keep comparing artifacts to talent trees. You got all your artifact traits within a couple weeks, and from there it was just an infinitely-stacking stat boost.

the closest thing to talents that the artifact system introduced was the netherlight crucible, and that thing was worse than fucking AIDS.

you have to be insane to not see retail is at the lowest point in subs right now
the entire reason classic even exists is because actiblizz execs were shitting pants about sub hemorrhage.
seems like you fags already forgot “you think you do but you dont”

im glad classicfriends will finally get to have fun playing their favourite game but i just want retail to be good and fun again

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Me too user, but it's too late...

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Holy fuck 2004 was loaded

Even at the lowest sub point, it is a better and funner game than vanilla will ever be, but keep being delusional.
Also the subs are enough to keep the content going. If anything, vanilla will damage the company.

So what's next, raiders who were clearing Naxx aren't good at PvE because they can't clear content solo?

If you were actually playing Vanilla, you'd know that there was actually a lot of down time between BGs, especially early. Thus you had to be engaged constantly in World PvP while waiting for said BG to pop.

I highly doubt you even played vanilla now.

>there was nothing else to play in 2004

>there was nothing else to play in 2004

Imagine believing this.