It'll be weird grinding for a shitty level 60 mount all over again. it wont feel the same...anyone else feel this way?

it'll be weird grinding for a shitty level 60 mount all over again. it wont feel the same...anyone else feel this way?
i think WoW 2 (basically a remake of classic wow) would've been way better

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i think wow classic will live and die based upon how each server socializes. people who have only played post BC retail have no idea the amount of late game content in vanilla that absolutely needs a group to accomplish. if people arent up for hanging around ingame chats or actually communicating the game will suffer and likely suck for most.

why wow went casual:
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wow was always casual, zoomer

battle royales are all random. you only think they take skill because your skill level is already so low

>level 50-60s are gonna feel like they've put a fuck ton into the game but dont have anything to show for it

theres no going back

It's scary how well this applies to Monster Hunter.

Remaking classic WoW would be better if nostalgia wasn't a major motivating force. People would just bitch and moan about every little change they've made, even if it's for the better from a game design perspective.

it's not boolean retard

im saying have all the same zones and locations in the zones but make them look different with different graphics. maybe new dungeons new weapons and armour. make the base game the same.

wow 2 thats similar and based on vanilla would be better.
But expecting blizzard to make anything good/innovative nowadays is just ridiculous.
So say thank you and be happy with the shit they serve us and if you dont like it dont play it, nobody forces you to do so.

About the mount: its a 15 year old RPG its not good, you need to imagine shit and take imperfections with humour. Remember this is when 3d rpgs only had their big breaktrough

>So say thank you and be happy with the shit they serve us and if you dont like it dont play it
wait...say thank you and not play it?
>About the mount
as much as i miss vanilla wow (hate modern wow) it feels very demotivating to go back. rather than just play a new game

and dont worry i will play a new game. and i wont say thank you

i would lock down mounts a shit load, mounts only work within their expansion and require a riding skill

>even if it's for the better from a game design perspective
That can mean anything for anyone.

Yeah kinda, they never wanted to make it anyways so im just happy they did.
A big part of classic and tbc was doing "unrewarding" grinds. 60 lvls to go trpugh a fucking portal? 40 lvl so your second spec gets decently playable? Is it really worth spending 6 playdays just to get to lvl cap and then you dont even have the equipment to raid?
Most games have less than 1 playday to finish.
Games nowadays just reward you for logging in and pushing a button, people are just not used to do shit anymore.

Be sure your new game has a lot of ingame purchases so if you dont feel valuated anymore you van just purchase everything you want.

>60 lvls to go trpugh a fucking portal?
desu it is bullshit and caused tons of problems

Lmao.. You can critique nu-wow in many ways, but the skill rotation is something that is far better. I'm going to be casting 2dots and spamming shadow bolts that miss relentlessly whilst doing bottom quarter dps. I'm in it for the pvp, but pve skill rotation in vanilla sucks donkey balls.

Congratulations you just casted your first frostbolt succesfully, here take this xp potion that instantly brings you to lvl 60.
And take this full t3 armor too. Wow you are really good, just finished the whole game jn 2 minutes.

the pve rotation in BFA is worse than that though

LOL

>wow 2 thats similar and based on vanilla would be better.
thats what next retail expansion will be and Yea Forums is going to freak out

>thats what next retail expansion will be and Yea Forums is going to freak out
that woudl mean they'd have to remove dungeon finder and a ton of other shit

they wont remove the casual shit but its world revamp time and will likely have a lot of community oriented things

they could actually just release the same content for both games, it's twice the tuning but the community does all that for them anyway

Blizzard grossly mismanaged WoW due to excitement and incompetence. They burned through their most well known characters in 2 expansions. The retarded idea of resetting gear every near expansion meant gear inflated dramatically in a short period of time. Changing the gameplay every expansion quickly burned the devs of new ideas.

In the end it was Blizzard that killed WoW.

probably won't end up playing classic
but if I do is undead priest alright as a choice and is shadow viable?

Retail has a lower skill floor when it comes to experiencing content for sure, but an infinitely higher floor and ceiling to experience the high-end compared to classic

Holy shit what a retard in op pic. I understand it's popular to hate on retail, but at least hate on things that were actually better in vanilla.
>boo-hoo reduce it to a bland 4 button rotation with little depth
Pve rotation in vanilla and TBC: 1 button that you press till the boss is dead(in wotlk you press 2-3 buttons in a certain order)
Pve rotation Cata+: priority based(very important factor that adds complexity) 5-6 buttons

>pointless minigames
Battlegrounds started in vanilla.

Vanilla had
>great classes
half of which were unplayable, thanks blizzard
>great story
what story? there was 0 lore in vanilla
>PVP, PVE
Retail doesn't have these things or something?

>the most successful MMO
the most CASUAL mmo on the market back at the time

Holy shit, do zoomers who has never played vanilla actually believe things they post on the internet or are they pretending to be retarded?

Yes

Yes but not for raids unless you're god tier pro and know every raid boss fight because people want healing not shitty dps

Yeah, WoW 2 would definitely be way better, but it will never fucking happen. A new game in the spirit of classic wow would require the developers to not be retarded bugmen.

>but its world revamp time
they could easily make it amazing again
add like 20 new levels (10 not enough) make it super hard to go up one level
remove anything world breaking that came after 2008 (flying mounts on azeroth) idk its probably too late to fix this shit show.

honestly sad to imagine all those dead zones with nobody in it

based zoomer who never played vanilla pretending he's not a zoomer who never played vanilla

wow was ruined when they added cataclysm and MoP

dont kid yourself everyone is just going to copy paste a discord into chat and expect you to join it or you kicked theres also integrated discord tier chat in blizzards launcher and bnet friend list system

>>half of which were unplayable
you have never stepped foot in a raid if you think this is true. show me one raiding guild that refuses to take a certain class
>b-but druids paladins and shamans are only viable as healers!
as they should be. if you play a class that can heal and you're not healing, you're basically a fucking waste

The part where the hardcore players stop recommending the game is extremely true, BFA's hate has 100% hurt subs

>raiding in classic
LOL

>this guy is a complete retard
>80% of what he says is wrong
lmao I hope he dies from butthole cancer

>show me one raiding guild that refuses to take a certain class
youtube.com/watch?v=dZcLo5uXK-I
That was easy. Next.

I've never seen so many people try to convince others that they won't have fun with a game. It is fucking bizarre.

>Every class in the raid

>gimmick speedrun on a private server

plutoemc2 you stupid lagswitching faggot honda

>half of which were unplayable, thanks blizzard

This describes BFA, half the classes can't get into high level mythic + keys

Everyone excited for classic never actually played vanilla or they were the rejects who couldnt do anything back then when it was relevant, every single person including streamers can provide zero proof they did anything back then and everyone I've personally talked to were shitters who got farmed and only obtained sergeant rank in pvp while barely doing ubrs.

The high end content you're referring to is the same content everyone else is doing with bigger numbers

You mongoloid, did retail release vanilla raids or something? They didn't open the servers.
>all shamans and priests are healers
>1(lol) druid is healer
Hm, I think they forgot to bring other specs.
>b-but they can heal that means they MUST heal
brainlet opinion

>or they were the rejects who couldnt do anything back then when it was relevant
this. they think if they have a second chance it'll mean something in 2019 lmfao

>sweatband guild stacks the best class, yet still has representation from every class
uhh, what?

Yeah, but that's not the point. The point is that vanilla is a terribly designed game, just like current wow and vanilla apologists have too many delusions about the game.

>t. ret paladin

>show me one raiding guild that refuses to take a certain class
>shows a video that has every class in it
>Hm, I think they forgot to bring other specs.
Specs are not classes sweetie.

that is not a typical comp, just overgeared people showing off

This. and I hate when this is mentioned all the casual retards who never played vanilla and are hyped for classic try to argue back "but retail sucks" yes retail sucks but so did vanilla and classic, they both fucking suck and I rather someone create a new MMO using older MMO mechanics with non shit combat and graphics instead of paying the company that killed the MMO genre more money to replay their old rehashed garbage most of us completed 2 fucking decades ago.

>design the game that implies players can choose
>ha-ha jk no choice for you, your other choices are not viable btw

>vanilla was great mmoRPG
t. nost veteran

>ret
>ret paladin
>ret paladin dps

Ret was good in PVP & fine in dungeons, stop thinking Vanilla WoW was 100% about raiding

Besides, people should focus on classes, not specs, every class could get a raid spot

lol no

You are obviously quite young if you think ret was bad in pvp
they were OP honestly

lol no

yeah if you had reckoning and fought retarded rogues everything else mowed you down constantly til you finally had the stars align and chain proc crusader with crits

jesus christ

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reckoning was wrong in private servers and works differently in Classic.

>t. saw that one webm vs the rogue that always gets posted and now thinks he's in a position to pretend he actually played vanilla

t. 20 year olds who started with wrath

horde always lost pre made bg's due to paladins, it's why blizzard had to give horde pally's in TBC

WoW 2 would be shit because nu-Blizzard would make it. Classic can be good because they're forced to reproduce something made in the past.

holy is the real OP spec, but not in the way that wins duels

thats from support paladins, they didnt lose because of rets you dumb fuck baiting piece of shit.

that had nothing to do with ret being OP
stop pretending, it's pathetic

paladins, not rets

also ur wrong

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I'm talking about classic, you would spec some points into prot while healing in BGs so when rogues tried to stop you from healing your warriorchad you would waltz right after and one shot the enemy priest with reckoning build up

we're going home bros

>whats reckoning

a prot talent

no matter what. it wont be the same

healers went reckoning build, if ret went reckoning you legit could ignore him til you mopped up his team then just finish him last because his damage is dogshit and you could have a shaman rank 1 purge him til he went oom

there was a popular reckoning tree that went heavy into ret

Heal me in the blue dress you fucking cucks

only because I'm now a wageslave, but even wageslaves enjoyed vanilla
it won't be the same
but we're still going home

lol no

pls stop pretending

ret is 100% dependent on vengeance, it can't go reckoning, shallow ret is worthless

I'm older than you by atleast 20 years
Whats your physical address you little punk nigger?

It's not going to be the same community from 2004-2005.
It's going to be twitchchat zoom zooms and 30+ year old manchildren who barely leveled to 60 on their female nightelf characters during vanilla.

doing it all again wont feel the same
items dont have the same value anymore even if gold is hard to come by

if youre 47, fuck man
I already feel ancient

srsly tho stop pretending, youre anonymous, nobody cares

That's my point, the guy is trying to say it worked with ret but support paladins were best at abusing reckoning.
Ret is a literal joke till Wrath xpac.

you're wrong on one point bro
I'll be there
but I also heard all the streamers were going to be playing on one server

I'll still cherish my items, doesn't matter what other people value

fortunately monster hunter finally stopped catering to casual nintentards and went back to the hardcore audience with mhw.

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t. nightelf female priest

old monster hunter
>hit mon once with draw attack
>sheathe weapon
>run away and superman dive to avoid dying to one hit ko mechanic that covers the entire screen
>repeat

new monster hunter
>stack offense
>stagger monster to death using 4x hbg

Whats
Your
Physical
Address

Stop posting this tool

But it was.

>doesn't matter what other people value
well it should

1022 Uraincel Lane

I'm playing a dwarf, either hunter or warrior I haven't decided yet, probably warrior

I'm going home bro, you can go wherever you like, but I know where I'll be

I think classic is going to have some growing pains, but ultimately shit will settle down in a few months leading to some fun times.

What eastern time pve server do I go on if I want to avoid Yea Forums and streamers?

Based and immunetoblindpilled

Thats what I thought nigger

Stop
Phone
Posting
Redditor

>pve

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t. incel

its not y our home because nobody cares anymore
its 2019 not 2005
its not the same

I never grinded for my epic mount in vanilla. I had some rare recipe drop twice while I was in the 40s and sold them for 400g each.

PVP was a mini game in WoW from the start in my eyes.
I almost always avoid mini games in most games I play.

Is right tbf. Classic WoW rotation is pretty non existent. Would regularly top dps as rogue as pretty much fuck all to do. Also see vanilla from mage rotation, especially ST...

I love vanilla but to think it has more in depth rotation is deluded.

You can only really enjoy the game if you played before 2009 because its really just about nostagia. Like getting those little moments back.
Its nothing you can buy or archieve and a lot of people who werent there back than cant enjoy the game and try to convice themselfs and others that its shit.

The game is shit, yes tgats true. But wow classic is just a big thank you to the people who made one of the biggest mmorpgs possible.
Most of vannilla players stopped with wotlk because they spend like 100 playdays that just got devaluated with a patch, and this is just a opportuinity to get that stuff back for a last time.

>anyone using reckoning seriously outside of pserver where you could gimmick it with /sit macros
literal delusion, paladin utility, cleanse among other things which completely fucked over warlocks was why ally did so well

if it's not your home, then you aren't a part of our home and I feel nothing but pity for your vagrancy

>he grinds gold for epic riding instead of pvping early on and getting officer rank for free epic mount training
lmao

Is it worth lvling engi while leveling up or just better to get it at 60 once you've made some gold and got your mount.

Playing with two other guys who are also gonna go mining and just know I aint gonna be able to get any nodes to really get it going.

livin in the past

This
Its like having lived in a place for 20 tears and when youre retired you can move back in there. And your like "cool i can move back home"
Yes its not our home anymore and it will just be a short visit, but itll always be our home in someway.

wrong friend, august 27th is in the future

reckoning was amazing in classic it was also even more broken because you could have infinite build up also no one was tryhard back then so 90% of the time a rogue was on you he had bad stats, wrong spec and just fed you charges.

Modern wow has been ruined by baiting the players with mechanics to keep them subbed. You pull 8 mobs and get a gear score for certain hours played, scaling to retarded levels so you end up grinding for months for gear and then the next content patch comes out.

Classic wow you would never pay attention to your rotation or the mechanics unless is was much later on and even then they were relatively simple. You would strive for certain items and fulfil a role within the RPG.

Classic isn't supposed to be hard and isn't. It is just a better suited vehicle for a MMORPG than modern wow. A game which teleports you where you need to go and you never need to engage with others and more often than not get placed on a different world than players who you should be playing with. Anyone who has played modern wow recently would know that the sharding system stomped on the neck of the game, along with fucking war mode.

>You pull 8 mobs and get a gear score for certain hours played
Motherfucker vanilla is the very definition of time = power are you kidding me?
I'm not defending retail, retail is shit but you're completely braindead if you think vanilla required any amount of skill outside of time.

Granted but i'm referring to the current classic patch, which has nerfed reckoning, not the initial one which resulted in the infinite stacks and the one shot of kazzak. On private servers the current reckoning can be procced between hits with a /sit macro effectively doubling a paladins kill speed, this wasn't the case in vanilla after the fix

>bland four button rotation
Nigger classic is a one button rotation

Yep, thats what a fucking RPG is about, everybody can play with the intensity and depht they like. Modern wow is not a real RPG anymore, they dictate you exactly what and how you have to do by baiting you with cheap rewards that get devaluated because anybody can get them.

we shall see
it also depends on how many other people also think its the future

I remember my premade pallys still running reckoning with shield spikes even after the nerf, it still did great damage and was just balanced so you're not one shotting relevant world bosses.
Any rogue with a brain fear that talent.

>if I pretend to be an EQ autist, people will think I'm not a teenager

i've been deleted by paladins cause tunneling dumbfuck rogues, if you see a paladin chasing a clothy stun/slow their stupid ass so they don't get a free 3.8 mace swing every 0.5 seconds

>Any rogue with a brain fear that talent.
no doubt but youre then 25 points deep in prot for something that really on excels against rogues

Vanilla is the same thing? anyone can hit rank 14 if they play all day everyday for 3 months, anyone can raid as long as they show up with 39 other people and hit the same 3 buttons for the entire raid.

Classic is also getting easymode AV so ranking up in pvp is even easier.

WoW's popularity was literally at the time because of its casual atmosphere. No penalty on death was huge. You don't have to be a contrarian to know this. Many articles brought this up at the time.

NOOOO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO LIKE THE GAME STOPPPPP
WHY?
BECAUSE I PERSONALLY DON'T LIKE ITTTTTTTTT

>t. never played vanilla or was a reject who did nothing in vanilla
You got your 2nd chance to do MC, billy! make mommy proud

desperation setting in?

Yet Vanilla's power system is based much more heavily in levels than gear gates. The itemisation in vanilla was so bad that you would use a staff for 20 levels. In BFA you are waiting for one of the many scaling systems to feed you a gear proc. In Vanilla you actively chase pieces of gear.

How is that any different then blizzard's previous class based game, Diablo 2? You can completely fuck your build in that with poor choices

>Anyone
Of course its possible, but most players wont go the full lenght and put in the dedication
You havent been there or you would know how fucking hard it was to just get into nax, people werent even bragging about equipment you were already a top player if you had just entered the raid in your life, this is how fucking hard it was.

>blizzard's games have flaws
woah stop the presses

The amount of cope in this thread is amazing.

>Retail - wait 5 weeks for lucky titanforged Dildo of Power to drop with dildo sockets
>Vanilla - wait 5 weeks for dildo of power to drop then another 5 weeks for Dildo enchant to drop then another week of farming anal beads to enchant your dildo of power with Lubesader
???

>people werent even bragging about equipment you were already a top player if you had just entered the raid in your life
Ah yes, getting a couple of crystals and paying 15 gold made you a top player. Wonderful times.

>WoW's popularity was literally at the time because of its casual atmosphere
What the hell am I reading? Also WoW was never "casual". It just upset EQ fans because it had enough mass-appeal to open up their genre to people who weren't spherical NEETs who'd fused to their beanbag chairs.

Literally everything in his post is either an outright lie or pure opinion. This is why homefags need to be gassed, you people are delusional.

I was there but it definitely sounds like you weren't.
Why are you willing to pay the company who ruined the game in the first place a chance to restart and do things you already did in a inferior old version? (not saying retail is good, but past expansions were massive improvements over old vanilla)
Vanilla was never difficult, it's only time consuming and it's going to be even easier now with the million of guides and new add-ons littered across the internet for all to use, on top of half of the things not even being vanilla anymore in this bastardization version you're getting.

Are you just trying to look retarded with your argument?

>Retail - get dildo of power first drop, spend 5 more weeks farming dildos because you actually wanted the blue one not the pink. The pink one finally drops but i doesn't have sockets so you keep grinding

>Vanilla - farm a boss and get the dildo then you go empower your dildo

Seems like one involves baiting you infinitely with the same shit and completely wearing away your dopamine response to the game. Where as the other gives you an actual reward that you then build off of.

>This is peak classic pvp
clips.twitch.tv/UnusualWanderingOwlPipeHype

Oh no no no no

the itemistation was great, so many unique items that could create new builds & playstyles

I hated how since TBC WoW has been "lol stack more numbers" that's fucking boring & items might as well be just "stat stick #46946"

>what is artificial difficulty

>so many boomies are going to roll oomkin in classic
Their tears are going to be delicious.

They both force you to be a loser inside of a skinnerbox simulation mindlessly grinding trivial content for a chance at being rewarded, set on a weekly timer which extend the amount of time it takes to contentiously grind said trivial content leading to a high chance of renewing your subscription to continue being a rat in the skinnerbox.

Wrong, you can't even remember what the name of your weapon is in BFA

Also if the item doesn't warforge or get a socket, you feel bad instead of excited, that's a shitty system

cope

revolutionary discovery my dude, you've figured out how every single MMO works today

Wow you're trelling me this company is trying to MAXIMIZE PROFITS so Timmy can buy some more exclusives for his shitty digital store? Crazy!

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Vanilla had terrible itemisation but it definately had more wild card items that would change shit up. Like the zandalarian hero charm pom pyro combo, or the other random items they added throughout.
They definately tried to replicate that shit in Legion with the legendary system but didn't go hard enough. The game would have changed for the better if they shifted to a diablo style system where item depth was much more significant.

>People should make games for FUN

That's just life dude everyone wants you to circulate your money and work for them. He's just trying to completely degrade the discussion because he's an edgelord.

calm down you'll have a heart attack grampa lol

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>vanilla isn't balanced guys, remember how OP warrior tanks were?
>meanwhile in BFA, warrior tanks out dps some classes

lel

So you agree with me, finally you use your brain both versions are shit.

Yeah, the optimised itemization since TBC was more fun, 1 more crit & 1 more haste on my chest, so exciting, more numbers!

>guy in pic is literally named "glans"

this is why you should always run by your ebin RP name through google translate on "detect language" to make sure you're not naming yourself something autistic

Vanilla's itemisation involved giving you heaps of useless shit. Then they went overly heavy with the formulaic shit I agree. But they also tried experimenting somewhat in tbc with penetration and other meme shit.

If you want vidya to be considered an art form, then absolutely yes, they should. The starving artist is am archetype for good reason. Corpo art just says what we want to hear. Not what we need to hear.
Of course if you don't care about Vidya being art then it's a largely irrelevant argument.

wtf is happening here? does that old guy suck or somethign?

itemization was fine until they started pruning stats in cata/mop/wod

Think this census from le boogeyman Reddit is representative of launch trends at all?
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I can't imagine priests being that high (although there will be more than vanilla, that's for sure. Cat's out of the bag on how fun they are in PVP and good at leveling) and rogues being that low.

I was just going to pick a lock for ez raids spots since I wanted a caster, but I might just go mage if they're tied. I played a mage in vanilla so I already know what frostbolt life is all about.

thats how gameplay is in vanilla its shit and takes zero effort to push out numbers or kill someone and all the little fags defending it will quit classic in a month

Youre the exact kind of little pussy that caused blizzard to change the game

mage is much lower than I expected for a class that is so unbelievably good in vanilla

I don't trust the class ratios on this at all. There's no way there will be as many druids as hunters. Chances are these are just retailbabbies picking their favorite class they think they want to play but have no context for how the level/how they play/etc.

I leveled my character for months up until level 51. I didn't see end-game content but loved the experience. Then Blizzard casualized the tech trees and make everything easier. I unsubbed

I re-subbed years later and was appalled. I was stoked to get a blue item in classic WoW because it was ALWAYS useful, but now the game was throwing purples at me left and right.

Raiding now felt soulless thanks to LFR and LFD. I joined a random group, and we rushes through a dungeon without anyone saying a word. I was underlevelled and still found it to be a cakewalk, nothing like the social experiences people described where voicechat was almost a necessity.

Classic WoW was a casualized version of EQ, but all MMOs have gotten more casual since then as they've become more "accessible".

Blizzard's direction with each expansion was to solely accommodate the players who didn't want to have to socialize to advance.

>rogues being that low
1.12 isn't roguecraft, hunters and warriors are the meme classes, rogue are often ex-furys since it's comparable dps with more QoL/less farming

why are women so incredibly stupid?

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That's not true. You're going to have more buttons in classic, but you wont use most of them in combat.

so random xd
nice verified checkmark

>classic wow was literally designed so that anybody could enjoy it without needing to put an inhumane amount of hours into the game
>this somehow doesn't it make it the casual option of the mmo genre
You're actually fucking retarded. I'm guessing you're a pserver hero who likes to pretend he was around back then to fit in. The "mass-appeal" you mention was literally because blizzard offered casual alternatives to existing mechanics like losing exp upon death.
The only "hard" parts in classic is the time commitment to get to max and finding 39 other bodies to raid with.

all classes are there though

Yeah, I don't buy it all.

>40000+ responses
>only 1% have never played WoW before
actually pretty interesting

>You can only really enjoy the game if you played before 2009 because its really just about nostagia.
I play far older games all the time and still have fun. Why is this any different?

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Saldean's Special Chicken Feed? I don't get it.

Why are they lying so much are those people just meme spouting zoomers who jumped on the bandwagon?
>bland 4 button rotation
I remember how you would go immediately oom after casting a few spells and how you would literally just sit there and auto hit the raid boss. Classic raid bosses weren't that challenging and it it's pretty understandable, because our PC's+internet couldn't handle more.

>poll given out to a WoW subreddit
>surprised that the vast majority of people have played WoW

I would bet the actual launch falls somewhere around these numbers but a few points from everybody to hunter and druid.

>casual fun shooter
>gets casualized
>the hardcore casual audience gets mad about it
Another victory for the clown world

she's right you know?

She is just enforcing what Kerns was saying

You're actually retarded.
>"classic is a big thank you to vets"
>current lead dev didnt even want to do classic
>vets hate both classic and retail
>real vets dont want to pay the company that ruined the game they loved just to restart and do everything they already did