How did this go from one of the most well liked games on Yea Forums to one of the most disliked?

FUCKING ADULTS

nintendomans

Persona is on the Zelda cycle these days. Wait a couple years and you'll start seeing "P5 is a hidden gem" videos and articles.

Anyone who wasn't riding the hype from the drought of a P4 followup, quickly realized the writing was even worse and that while attractive, the game was far more boring to play than 3 or 4.

This is the type of people that make posts like this.

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They should remove combat and just make it a high schooler simulator

It's still pretty universally loved outside of shitholes like Yea Forums. This is far from the Zelda cycle.

Are you kidding me Persona 5 is the only one that isn't actually boring to play. 3 and 4 have much better writing and story but the actual gameplay, especially of 3, is a slog and fucking sucks

No ? It did nothing to innovate in the series, and it's a more on rails persona 4 with worse gameplay and story.

I liked it when I was playing for a while, but by the third or fourth palace I was only getting enjoyment from the style and music. The story became retarded even for a JRPG, and the combat was too one-note pad out 100+ hours.

>XC2fags are the ones shitting on P5
Why is this not surprising?

it's still one of Yea Forums all-time favorite games. the pushback comes exclusively from stinky smashcucks

>it's still one of Yea Forums all-time favorite games.
Wrong.

shitposters like you doesn't count

Yea Forums's all time favorite game is the Legend of Zneed oak of time.

That's profoundly retarded. Anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing weeb would be put to sleep. It's railroaded cutscene hell. You barely have control of your activities for half the game.

nintendofags didn't get the switch port they begged for.

It is not disliked.
In other news, do we know if Royal will be available outside of the switch?

Because the people who really hate it or really like it are the only ones who post. I guarantee you most people like all the persona games they've played at least a little bit

A reminder to ignore all criticism that just bluntly says P4 has :
>Better gameplay
>Better side content
>Better dungeons
>Better story
As for P3
>Gameplay
>Pacing
>Villains

>Anyone who isn't a mouthbreathing weeb would be put to sleep
So people with severe ADHD? Just say the game isn't for you user

>Yea Forums is one person
SMTfags hate it, other Personafags hate it, Nintendofags hate it because they can't play it on their console, It's shit on every thread its brought up, It's rarer to see outright praise for it here

Actually, the decent persona games (2, 3 and 4) were :) I'm just not stupid , and I recognize when a game had half it's development time cut and had to substitute with railroading.

This I literally draw weeby as fuck shit and even I was bored

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>it's not as good as P4

Congratulations on completely missing my point due to your subjective opinion and shit reading comprehension. P5 is one of the best games of the 2010s especially for people like myself whose favorite genre is RPGs

Polished gameplay, Great characters, solid challenge on hard, ton of content and the social aspect of the game is addictive as fuck

So you're just shitposting?
How disappointing...

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That's very cute user

stop samefagging.

>A reminder to ignore all criticism you disagree with
If P5 really did all those things better, then there would be no reason to ignore criticism. You could just argue and prove why it's better with evidence.

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Saying "P4 has better gameplay/story/characters" without going into detail isn't criticism it's bait.

>No YOU elaborate!
I said ignore people who only say that. Why should I be bothered with your dumb brain?

Smash bros niggers ruined it

Honeymoon period passed.

Imagine being this much of a weeb subhuman

Are you retarded?

It became too famous, but expect people to like it again when R releases

How do you even get the bad ending in p5?

But
>P3 has better dungeons
is somehow valid criticism?

You let the deadline pass

Most of what he said for 4 applies in 3 too

You decide not to do the dungeon crawling part.
That's literally it.

It gained a higher profile and overzealous fanboys pushed it too hard. I don't like JRPGs in general. I have a bit of a grudge against this game because I bought a PS3 under the promises that it wasn't boring as all hell like every other JRPG

How's this game on RPCS?

Almost perfect

Perfect

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>one of the most disliked?
The last polls we had it was the top 1 persona, Yea Forums barring some loud faggots still like it

IT's well like for certain things and disliked for others
The issue is that story is one of those things that sticks in people's heads longer than just gameplay mechanics, so bad story tends to overshadow enjoyable gameplay. moments because the story is a narrative whereas the gameplay moments are individual instances.
>best games of the decade
What ranking cutoff are we including for the "best" qualifier

>I bought a PS3
That's a good deal if it's anything other than the Super Slim

What Arcana are you, Yea Forums?

Thankfully the story isn't shit

This entire reply chain was started by just bluntly saying that P5 is the one of the best games of the decade. If bluntly saying criticism is bait, then bluntly praising it should be bait too. You weren't wrong when you said that, but it looked like you were shrugging off criticism.

Literally rated as the best RPG of all time only ironic smelly nintendie hipsters hate it.

I already sold it again so IDK. I ended up selling it for 10 more dollars than I bought it for so maybe you are right

You know, looking at his account it just seems like it was made for bait
>17
>muslim
>currently named persona 5 hater
>purposely getting caught
>"greentexting" on twitter
The guy no doubt made the account to shitpost here.

9/10 most opinions are shitposts
That said P5 is just a really really boring video game.
It’s less a game and more a fucking book with voice acting.

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I think it's still liked, people just dislike that it's on PS4 only for seemingly no reason.

Only switch niggers despite it

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Because your ADHD can't handle the game.
Please put some effort into your posts user you're putting me to sleep.

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But it is
It ends up undermining its own themes and the actual quality of writing for each new character decreases as the story goes down.
It also doesn't help that most of the Confidant side stories are weak and not very compelling. The exceptions are mainly Ryuji, Yusuke, Toranosuke, Tae and Kawakami

>It ends up undermining its own themes and the actual quality of writing for each new character decreases as the story goes down.
Now you're just being dumb, every single character had the same theme

>It ends up undermining its own themes
You don't even know what the theme of the game is.

>Best RPG of all time
>Persona 5
Blocks your path

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>only systems I own are a ps4 pro and a half decent 970 pc
P5 has some serious issues.
I'm mostly just unhappy that the structure of the story is the way it is. I would have really preferred it to buck the need for a big 'fight god' ending and just stuck to having a series of standalone heists, maybe with some light management mechanics to assign the right party member or confidant to the right task to increase the odds or circumstances while executing the heist itself

>b-b-but Nintendo
Some people can dislike a game on its own merits, even if you like said game.

Because it didn’t get a switch port

Do you?
Chances are you think the theme is what you've heard and not what's in the game itself.

retarded fanbase.

Because we realized mainline smt is better

What is the theme of the game then and how other party members undermine it

Do you?

The themes of the game are rebellion and freedom from oppressive and abusive social pressures and entities.
The issue is that it basically loses its own messaging when the game only lets you rebel when you have the approval of society in the end. Its biggest moment ends up being about gaining social approval, despite the prior arcs explicitly punishing the Thieves for seeking the approval of the public.

One of the best is just saying it's legendary, just better than most. A hard stretch to call it bait when all it takes is a google search to show far more evidence it's still universally praised.

Friendly reminder that negativity towards Yakuza on Yea Forums actually increased when it went multiplat.

>g-guys what if what we were doing wasn't right
>lol stfu yusuke
What did Hashino mean by this?

I was talking about the quality of the writing of each new subsequent character decreasing.
You're right that every character had the same themes, but the earlier characters execute on those themes better than later ones

Answering a question with another question?
Figures you wouldn't know.

isn't saying*

/thread.

A bunch of no brainers that didn't even touch P5 acting like the most veterans SMTfags on blitter, just because they want to look Japanese and Cool.

>The issue is that it basically loses its own messaging when the game only lets you rebel when you have the approval of society in the end.
Society rebelling with you against a oppressive force is on the game theme
>but the earlier characters execute on those themes better than later ones
No they don't

>PS exclusive
>Yea Forums hates it
>PC/Switch ports are rumoured
>Yea Forums loves it
>PC/Switch ports confirmed to never happen
>Yea Forums hates it

This but unironically, got introduced to the superior series through P3 and 4, Devil Summoner is better than both

>I would have really preferred it to buck the need for a big 'fight god' ending
It would need to change the entire story from the beginning to circumvent that, not to mention to stop being a Persona or SMT game entirely.

The problem is people think "fight god lmao what a cliche" when in Japan there are thousands of "gods" for everything. In a game where the main theme is Rebellion, fighting a self-proclaimed God for freedom is absolutely fine. This isn't a "god out of nowhere" scenario. This is a "everything was instigated by a character that you face off against in the finale" scenario, and that character happens to be a god created by the collective unconsciousness of people who want to have an all powerful leader; a god.

Yaldabaoth was the LEAST of the game's issues. It's probably one of the better parts of the game. To claim otherwise is senseless bandwagon hopping.

The real problem is that it follows the story beats of P3 and P4 way too closely.

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Now THIS is a pretty based post.

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>rebellion and freedom
Nope. It's about rehabilitation, characters in the game literally shove this down your throat.

>The issue is that it basically loses its own messaging
Maybe because it wasn't the main message to begin with.

>universally praised
You do realise that praise and quality are two different things, right?

samefag

The same applied to Persona when Joker was revealed for smash. Sonyfags legitimately thought it was being ported and immediately turned on it.

Came to post this.

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>Devil summoner
>Main line
Autism

>It's about rehabilitation
By forcing your magic brainwashing on people?

>characters in the game literally shove this down your throat.
>The character that locked you up for rehabilitation to begin with is the main antagonist.
>The only characters who claim you have ever done anything wrong are antagonists trying to change you for their own gain.
You're fucking retarded, user.

>Not the first post from this IP
You already did

Considering you're rehabilitating every single target maybe the dumb one is you user

The point the game tries to make at the end is that the Phantom Thieve's actions were pointless until a larger, widespread movement changes society for good
That's why the game ends with the characters losing their powers. They have done their part in rebelling against abuse, now it's up to the individuals to changes themselves

Same thing also happened with the RDR2 PC version leaks

>Nope. It's about rehabilitation,
Play the fucking end of the game and you'll realize that's not true.

No u

Okay, user. What's your sincere and not dumb at all argument here? Note I said universal, not "casuals like it', not "hardcore fanboys like it", people generally who have a pinch of interest like a good amount of it.

The entire persona series is literally built and inspired by visual novels

But it's not the main theme.

There is not ONE main theme

>you're rehabilitating every single target
Yeah no, brainwashing =/= rehab. In fact in game they see it as their way of rebelling against their society.

This. It's about rebellion. Change can only come from within. Forceful rehabilitation doesn't work. The most you can do is wake people up to the truth and let them make their own decisions.

and you can't handle it.

It didn't, Yea Forums has always loved it
> Persona 5's Place in Yea Forums's Top 100 games
> Holiday 2018 - 46th (Top 10 = Dark Souls > FoNV > MGS3 > SM64 > Bloodborne > Portal > MGS1 > Doom > SSBM > GTA: SA)
> Winter 2019 - N/A (Top 10 = OOT > ALTTP > SM64 > SMW > MGS3 > FF6 > SOTN > S.Metroid > Zelda: MM > M.Prime)
> Spring 2019 - 63th (Top 10 = OOT > N.Automata > SM64 > ALTTP > C.Trigger > SMW > S.Metroid > MGS3 > RE4 > SOTN)
> Summer 2019 - 31st (Top 10 = OOT > SM64 > SOTN > SMW > C.Trigger > SOTC > FF6 > MGS3 > RE4 > ALTTP)

Nah, it's worse to be honest. In VNs or galge you get actual payoff and how the girls react to you changes based on which girl you chose. In Persona it's all the same shit, nothing you do matters, and at best you get a fade to black while absolutely nothing changes as a result.

Cold Steel has the same problem. It's just so fucking lazy.

But when the oppressive force is now completely disconnected from any real world allegory, it ceases to mean anything.
Yaldy, when first introduced, is actually a really interesting idea for a villain that is actually the embodiment of man kind's desire for easy solutions and authority. The issue is that the Phantom Thieves' retort to his existence is "no u" and then society just follows the Phantom Thieves'. So their solution to beating the embodiment of the desire for a holy grail that takes care of all your problems for you is to just let the Phantom Thieves handle Yaldy for them.
The issue is that, if it really were meant to show society had decided to step up and handle their own issues and be more active in making society better, it should have either immediately killed Yaldy (since he should theoretically cease to exist when the facet of humanity he was born from ceases to exist) or they should have gotten in on the action personally.

Stop being dumb, if you pay attention you will know that the targets only got a palace cause they got kicked out of mementos for having distorted thoughts, when you destroy the palace the target shadow comes back to mementos and he is good to live in society again

>Note I said universal, not "casuals like it', not "hardcore fanboys like it", people generally who have a pinch of interest like a good amount of it.
Why are you still grasping at the praise angle? Praise is literally irrelevant when it comes to what the game is.

Damn straight

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>how the girls react to you changes based on which girl you chose.
But that happens in Persona

>But when the oppressive force is now completely disconnected from any real world allegory, it ceases to mean anything.
How is he disconnected? he is humanity desire to be lazy and guided by something bigger

>they got kicked out of mementos for having distorted thoughts,
Or you could say that they rebelled

>Nope. It's about rehabilitation, characters in the game literally shove this down your throat.
If that's true, then P5's story is even more inconsistent since the only character to actually have their rehabilitation be the focus of anything is Kamoshida.
He's the only character who is forced to acknowledge his fuck ups and be held accountable by the person he hurt and decide that atoning is a better path than continued delusion or suicide.
No other villain ever has any time seriously spent to show their rehabilitation, and thus we're essentially given a "now that I've beat you into submission, be gooder" storyline

Honestly, I enjoyed Persona 5 immensely when I finished the game back in April 2017. Looking back at it now, it wasn't bad but it wasn't a great game by any means. The writing of the game takes a nosedive after you deal with Kamoshida. The design of the palaces also take a hit Madarame. The bank, pyramid, and spaceburger station overstay their welcome.The cruise palace is also guilty of this. Both the story and the palace design does not really pick back up again until the Casino palace. Therefore, the majority of the game feels like a slog at times especially during the summer months where the plot slows to a crawl.

The characters are not too great, either. Ryuji, Ann, and Yusuke might as well just be there once their initial arcs are over. Haru feels massively underdeveloped. Both Makoto and Futaba take up a lot of time and are vastly more important than the other members of the PT besides Joker and Morgana. Plus, you don't really see characters develop that well throughout the story or handle events realistically. Haru had no reason to really trust the PT after what happened to her father but she went along with them anyways without seeming too depressed for the rest of the game.

Morgana screeches at Ryuji when he snaps back at him rightfully so after spending the entire game being belittled by the cat and yet we, the player, are supposed to feel sorry for him. Ryuji nearly sacrifices himself for the team and when it turns out he was alright, they beat him up or something. It's stupid.

I don't want to compare the two games since they're really not that similar but I've been playing Fire Emblem Three Houses and the writing is better compared to P5. Some characters will go from chipper and outgoing to depressed and negative after certain events in the story. I noticed how there's attention to detail in the support conversations as well. The characters feel more realistic in two supports convos than P5's 10 social links. Didn't mean for this to be long. Sorry.

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>then P5's story is even more inconsistent since the only character to actually have their rehabilitation be the focus of anything is Kamoshida.
Every single target was rehabilitated
>No other villain ever has any time seriously spent to show their rehabilitation, and thus we're essentially given a "now that I've beat you into submission, be gooder" storyline
Madarame, Futaba, Okumura and Shido had

> NieR that high
How the fuck did that happen?

i wish they actually acknowledged your relationship in persona outside of social links and valentine's day.

>It's revealed the people with palaces had their shadows brake out of their cages in mementos and built their own palaces in the metaverse.
>After you "rehabilitate" them they wind up caged back in mementos again.
>You literally walk by the caged, "rehabilitated" shadows trying to act like everything is better now that they don't have to worry about freedom anymore.
>The velvet room, which is normally a calming and comfy room for you to relax and order your personas in is now a shitty prison thanks to the main antagonist who claims you need to be rehabilitated for your sins that you didn't commit.
If anything the game is FIERCELY against rehabilitation.

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No?
What he means is that in a VN paths change and you'll get new dialogue options or even a new ending based on your choices. In Persona, especially 5, your choices only affect how fast you finish a path not the direction of said path.

>The real problem is that it follows the story beats of P3 and P4 way too closely.
I suppose that's more my own issue, yeah.
Even with the fake plot twist and the actual plot twist, I mostly just wondered why they felt the need to try to have it both ways.
Why bother writing a story in which the main characters aren't just ignorant of the overarching plot but ignorant of the existence of an overarching plot while letting the player get tons of explicit details that make it painfully clear there's more going on?
Why not just have the player and the characters be on the same page, especially since ostensibly the story is told from the perspective of Joker's flashback?

>Grasping
You're the one who focused on the praise =/= quality subject. Are you retarded?
And you still haven't answered, what are they praising it for then?

What about SMT is better than Persona?
Nocturne was fucking great but the production values and gameplay blow SMT4 and 4A out of the fucking water. Those games are trash compared to P3, 4, and 5.
Nocturne and Devil Summoner stand above them though.

>i wish they actually acknowledged your relationship in persona
But they do go play the game.

>You're the one who focused on the praise =/= quality subject
Which was your only argument. There's literally nothing else to focus on.

Because when humanity decides to stop being lazy, he still exists.
Presumably, the intent of having the 100% Approval meter is meant to show that Humanity isn't like that anymore, yes? So then shouldn't Yaldy just cease to be?
Unless he still exists because Humanity still has that lazy desire and is being fueled by their deference to the Phantom Thieves, in which case he should be unbeatable

>Why not just have the player and the characters be on the same page,
Most of the game is a re-telling of his past year toward Sae Nijima. It makes sense he'd omit details about their plan to deal with that faggot Akechi.

>or even a new ending based on your choices.
But there is.

I did, i don't remember them acknowledging your relationship outside of social links and valentine's day. where does that happen?

Sour grapes and a nice mine of salt its bloodborne all over again nintendies didnt get the port and pc subhumans need a 1050ti to barely run the ps3 version on their shit emulator

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Because Yaldy still got his power, it's not retroactively so humanity can't just not believe in him then pof he goes away

You still haven't answered, what are they praising it for then?

>What about SMT is better than Persona?
True multiple endings and choice.
More demons to use.
Way more freedom in builds.
Not dealing with filler and endless cutscenes.

>Presumably, the intent of having the 100% Approval meter is meant to show that Humanity isn't like that anymore, yes?
No. The approval meter is how much the public believes in the phantom thieves. Their belief made Joker gain the power needed to crush Yaldabaoth, just like Yaldabaoth came into being for wanting a God to rule over them.

Because P5 has awful writing. Everything is solved by them fighting with punch ghosts. The message this game delivers is awful because they would have gotten their lives ruined if they didn't have their powers to magic their way out of problems, and even the ending shows them unable to do anything but fall back into the systems hands.

I think Anons just kind of developed a contrarian reaction as Persona 5 got more and more accepted and liked with people, any story shit is just kind of making excises. Happened with Persona 4.
I really don't give a shit personally, I just love MegaTen.

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there one or two more situations if i am not mistaken

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>Madarame, Futaba, Okumura and Shido had
Madarame, Okumura and Shido were shown confessing but that's the outcome of his rehabilitation, not the process itself.
The best part of Madarame's dungeon isn't when he confesses but when he's trying to justify his actions and delusions during his boss fight and when Ann forces him to confront the fallacies in his logic and thinking and acknowledge he's hurt people unnecessarily .
The rehabilitation process is the act of getting the palace owner to give up their treasure voluntarily, it's very explicitly stated that this make it different from Morgana's fear that just forcibly ripping away the object of their distortion would cause Palace owners to lose their desire to live as well

A lot of people seethe over P5, and now that it wasn't ported to switch the nincels have been going into overdrive over P5
Most people still like it, it's a vocal minority that spends every minute on Yea Forums going out of their way to sperg in threads of games they don't like or didn't even play in this case.

>True multiple endings and choice.
Persona got more than 1 end if we go that way and also choice
>More demons to use.
Fair
>Way more freedom in builds.
Persona fusion is the same shit as demon fusion, you could say the party members but some party members got more than 1 build
>Not dealing with filler and endless cutscenes
Irrelevant, the person can like cutscenes .

Why are SMTfags always seething over Persona?

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>what are they praising it for then?
This is what I mean, you're still using praise as a sign of quality. Regardless of my answer you're just going to say simmering along the lines of
>Well doesn't that make it a good game?

I'll never get it because I don't like VNs or jrpgs

Personally I like the game

No, that's not the issue
The issue is that there are scenes that even Joker shouldn't have seen
Like all the shit with the SIU director speaking cryptically with Shido in a completely private setting.
There's lots of small moments like that that are meant for the player but not the characters

Because Atlus neglects SMT to milk their shitty spinoff.

Because I’m interested in video games not fucking books.

>Like all the shit with the SIU director speaking cryptically with Shido in a completely private setting.
>There's lots of small moments like that that are meant for the player but not the characters
That shit happens in all personas

> Atlus neglects SMT
How? you have 2 SMT games coming out right now.

>No. The approval meter is how much the public believes in the phantom thieves. Their belief made Joker gain the power needed to crush Yaldabaoth, just like Yaldabaoth came into being for wanting a God to rule over them.
Okay, but doesn't that prove Yaldy's point that mankind would rather entrust the difficult tasks to authorities rather than take responsibility themselves?

>True multiple endings and choice.
An exaggeration. The endings just affect the actual end of the game and barely anything else.
>More demons to use.
What's the point when they're all just a list of abilities represented by a shitty static sprite that you only see when you're killing them because you can't see your own team?
>Way more freedom in builds.
Less, if you count the 12 personas that affect your stats and skills as a "build". SMT restricts you more and makes you choose between specialized builds but I won't call the removal of choice a good thing.
>Not dealing with filler and endless cutscenes.
Filler in anime terms means "anime-exclusive material to stretch out the run time so the manga can provide more canon material to adapt". You can't just put it into a videogame. Please don't use words based on your assumed idea of the context and learn what they mean before making an argument.

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The real question is why people still have faith in Atlus

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So the game is garbage because you don't like and can't handle the genre?

All the targets had that user, minus Shido i guess because he tried palace 'suicide' before the thieves talked to him

>Regardless of my answer
>aka "I don't have a real argument towards your argument"

Alright, glad that's established.

This

Because Atlus gave the Persona massive production values with high quality models, stories and cool UI elements and all SMT gets is a couple of shitty first-person dungeon crawling 3DS games made on a shoestring budget.

p5 is still a megaten game. of course you're going to end up fighting a god. even p4 has that, and it's the least "megaten" megaten game ever made.
at least yaldy didn't feel tacked on out of obligation like izanami did.

It's not the same teams that make them retarded, holy shit smtfags are dumb
Yes and that is why they have that cutscene after where Sae and Sojiro says they will just need to believe humanity can change, also Joker believes that as he refused Yaldy's deal

I don't until they actually give us something on SMTV.
fucking give us a new Raidou already

>I don't want character roles in a story in a role playing game
Next you won't like puzzles and set pieces in an adventure game.

>Not dealing with filler
Stop fucking using the word filler wrong you absolute buffoon.

pc mustards ruin all discussion of every series that gets ported to them. they did the same thing to the souls fanbase.

Literally this

>fucking give us a new Raidou already
This. I can only replay Devil Summoner 2 so many times.

Basically
I think a lot of this is an issue with reusing the "go into people's heads' plot element, it's useful because you can make implicit psychological character development into literal actions that a group of anime characters can do without ambiguity.
But, the issue is that this wasn't even really the case in P4. P4 had the main characters beat up the Shadow of a given party member, but the shadow only really disappears when its host accepts their own feelings. For whatever reason, P5 doesnt spend a lot of time on that 'reconciliation' moment for its Shadow villains, possibly because they're not going to be party members later or whatever but it's actually something I feel is necessary if that's how you're going to structure your dungeon arcs.
P4 has tons of pacing issues and actual writing issues, but the way it used the 'into peoples heads' plot element seems better executed there than in P5

How is yaldy less tacked on than izanami?

It's about as much of an RPG as Danganronpa.

Waifufags and fujos.

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>It makes sense he'd omit details about their plan to deal with that faggot Akechi.
Why?

Devil Summoner 2 is Soul Hackers. You're thinking of Devil Summoner 4: Raidou Kuzunohana 2: Jedi Academy.

>pc mustards ruin all discussion of every series that gets ported to them.
>Dark souls.
>Yakuza
>Tales
Yeah, it's true. I saw a fucking pepe poster in the past few .hack// threads now that the g.u. remake is on PC.
What the fuck is wrong with PC fags?

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Dude even persona fags complain about milked harder than daisy
Persona 5 isn’t even that old and it has almost as many spin offs as fucking Mario

>Persona got more than 1 end
Eh, nah. Persona's endings, excluding 1 and maybe 2 haven't played it but someone is bound to correct me if it has it, are just glorified game overs. They don't diverge into their own stories and resolutions so much as they abruptly cut the main one.

Basically think sebec and snow queen vs joker getting shot and joker getting shot but it's fake.

>Persona fusion is the same shit as demon fusion
I wasn't referring to demon fusion, I was referring to the equip options, skill points, weapons etc. Persona doesn't have the same freedom smt does.
>the person can like cutscenes
That doesn't invalidate their length.

Because Sae was working with Akechi? Did you play the game?

Joker was also drugged so he forgot some parts

Oh I have an answer, I just know exactly what you're going to say as a response.

pc fags don't truly appreciate single-player games anymore. they just spend an hour or so fiddling with graphics settings and mods, then they get bored and alt-tab back to discord.

>1 dancing game which it shared with 3 under Pokemon rules
>1 EQ spinoff which it shared with 3 and 4
>1 expanded rerelease which everyone else got
>1 anime which everyone 3 and 4 got
>1 musou which we only have a teaser for right now
5 has nothing on how hard 3 and especially 4 were milked.

>Eh, nah. Persona's endings, excluding 1 and maybe 2 haven't played it but someone is bound to correct me if it has it, are just glorified game overs. They don't diverge into their own stories and resolutions so much as they abruptly cut the main one.
It depends on the end, there are some that give you a new game+ option
>Basically think sebec and snow queen vs joker getting shot and joker getting shot but it's fake.
Those were more like routes than just a new end
>I was referring to the equip options, skill points, weapons etc.
Persona got most of those

>fag defending P5 avatarfags as Dr. Who
Back to tumblr with you. P5 niggers aren't even secondaries.

They absolutely did not
They had a single line at the end, and but the villains are basically comical caricatures during their battle and nothing beyond that single "feel bad for me" line is given.
But that single line generally misses the benefit of that post-battle conversation that Kamoshida got, because it shows that the Shadow acknowledging their own faults and accept responsibility.
Madarame got a "feel bad for me, I was a starving artist" single line but The gang just takes the painting anyways, he doesn't give it up voluntarily.
Kaneshiro gets a "feel bad for me, I was fat and poor" but then tangents off to foreshadow black mask (which madarame did too a bit) and then they just take the briefcase
Okumura has a "feel bad for me, I grew up poor" moment but, again, they just sort of take his treasure without getting him to acknowledge the consequences of what he did to Haru or his workers.
That shit matters if the game's theme is about social rehabilitation because that IS the social rehabilitation.
The confession is a demonstration of the rehabilitated, but it's already occurred.
If the game is to have any message and any opinion on how you heal society, it happens in those conversations where you force those who abuse power over others to recognize the moral failings in their actions and get them to vow to be better voluntarily.

How do people defend the shitty writing behind Futaba being an epic haxor that manages to push the narrative forward in such stupidly conveniant ways?

Their entire plan was to get Sae to help. What does Joker gain from keeping this information from her?

He conveniently forgets the parts that would ruin the twist, but remembers the past 8 months in clear detail.

>Why is everyone disagreeing with me with facts?

>at least yaldy didn't feel tacked on
You're joking right?
Izanami is the first enemy you encounter in p4 and is the one who unlocks Yu's abilities. Yaldy just comes out of nowhere at the end and it's never hinted that he's Igor at any point.

>Console Poorfags are this fucking mad that PC-fags are capable of actually criticizing games instead of blindly sucking off devs.

Sure, but the issue is that this game's characters act like they don't know about any of the overarching plot is even happening while the player does.
In P3 and P4 and most RPGs, the player and the characters are generally kept on the smae page. The player may have more knowledge about some things and the characters may actually sometimes have more knowledge than the player, but ultimately they're on the same page as to what kind of adventure they're on.
If the 'genre' of the story changes, it's best to have it be a surprise to both the players and the characters at the same time.

Any PS game is extremely disliked right now in Yea Forums. This site is quite shite at the moment.

how dare p5 use a common trope that has shown up in countless games, movies and tv shows!

>pc fags don't truly appreciate single-player games anymore.
This is sad. Some of the best games I've ever played have been single player.

>Izanami is the first enemy you encounter in p4
If you're talking about the dream then the first enemy you encounter is the Camera Eye.

>Yaldy just comes out of nowhere at the end and it's never hinted that he's Igor at any point.
This is bait

>Yes and that is why they have that cutscene after where Sae and Sojiro says they will just need to believe humanity can change, also Joker believes that as he refused Yaldy's deal
So we agree that P5 undermines its own themes, but the story waves this inconsistency off with "well, I believe in humanity" even though the only reason they succeed is by humanity not believing in themselves

>Yaldy just comes out of nowhere at the end and it's never hinted that he's Igor at any point.
it's extremely obvious from minute one that there's something very off with "igor." you'd have to be either retarded or a newcomer to the series to miss it.

She has a lot of free time and Japs are productive as shit. I'd believe it.
Also haxor kid is just a fucking trope they wanted it in cause they thought it was cool.

I like how you're still trying to force this "pc community is bad" when it was the idea of it getting ported that turns discussions to shit.

That should tell you exactly where the problem is.

Becuase Persona is now the mainline series and SMT the spinoff. They and their archaic, nauseatingly repetitive dungeon crawlers have been replaced.

>So we agree that P5 undermines its own themes, but the story waves this inconsistency off with "well, I believe in humanity" even though the only reason they succeed is by humanity not believing in themselves
Well if you hate that they believe in humanity just pick the deal end and join Yaldy, also of course humanity believed in themselves or the thieves would lose to Yaldy

>at least yaldy didn't feel tacked on out of obligation like izanami did.
Sure, but I still feel like it did a lot too similar to P3 and P4.
I'd honestly like the Persona stories go back to SMT a bit more, a bit closer to P1/P2 maybe?
Honestly, even those games' stories and writing arent as good as I remember, I havent played them in many years. I just remember the structure and tone being different but still enjoyable

An actual focus on god’s and demons smirking
Moral choices
Your actions change the entire world

>Well if you hate that they believe in humanity just pick the deal end and join Yaldy, also of course humanity believed in themselves or the thieves would lose to Yaldy
I don't hate that the believe in humanity, I just wish the story would admit that it just undermined its own message and acknowledge that they were back at square one.
Or just write the story so that mankind ACTUALLY takes responsibility for their own happiness and defeats Yaldy themselves rather than have Joker do it

Remember when switchies were saying XB2 would be JRPG of the year, while P5 won that and nominated for GOTY?

Remember when switchies swore up and down P5 would come to Switch?

>Their entire plan was to get Sae to help.
Their entire plan was to convince akechi he was dead so they can safely invade Shido's palace without being hounded by him the entire time.
Telling Sae "i can enter minds and change things and the guys you work with are evil" was never the intention. Sae came to interrogate Joker of her OWN volition and she had to fight to get in.
Their plan was never to get Sae on their side, it was merely the cherry on top.

yeah, easy piracy and expensive $1000 graphics cards are honestly more of a curse than a blessing when it comes to truly appreciating games.
modern pc gaming culture has created a generation of zoomers and mental zoomers who only care about whatever online multiplayer garbage blizzard and tencent shit out for them. i've literally seen pc mustards argue that single-player games should all be free because "they have no value." these people have no real investment in the series they get and only use them as an excuse to shitpost against the "consolefags" who actually play them.

>Or just write the story so that mankind ACTUALLY takes responsibility for their own happiness and defeats Yaldy themselves rather than have Joker do it
But they did, they just used Joker as the gun, hell just summon Satanael in NG+ and you will see he is small as fuck

>PCfags are this upset that console fags are capable of enjoying things and experiencing games instead of endlessly circlejerking how much they hate everything based on very little information they got from a youtube video.

P5's themes are about rehabilitation. Yaldy represents the corrupt system that humanity only tolerates out of a false sense of security. The PTs overthrow the corrupt system, but it's with the intent of rehabilitating society, not spreading anarchy. In SMT terms Persona takes the neutral path, not law or chaos. P5 only "undermines its own narrative" if you're dense and clueless as to what the narrative is.

>Their plan was never to get Sae on their side
Play the game. They literally plan around Joker getting Sae to show Akechi the phone and then get him out of the station.

>brainlet didn't pay attention to the explanation
They literally said they not only absolutely had to get Sae on their side for the plan to work (she's the one who busts Joker out and helps them later) but also that it was the riskiest gamble of the entire ruse and they were lucky Joker was able to win her over in such a short period of time.

Why do P5fags hate everything by Atlus that isn't P5? They clearly aren't the majority seeing as every P5 spinoff so far has bombed massively, so what gives?

Who are you talking about?

Everyone hates what isn't their own game, smtfags seethe about persona while personafags seethe about persona, nocturnefags think nocturne is the best and other games are trash and so on

don't samefag

>there are some that give you a new game+ option
New game+ has nothing to do with the conversation. You could remove it from both games and what I said would still hold true.
>Those were more like routes than just a new end
user, new route give new endings. They aren't mutually exclusive. In fact they go hand in hand.
>Persona got most of those
Not since p1.
In fact since about 3 most of those options have either been severely reduced or removed outright.

>They literally plan around Joker getting Sae to show Akechi the phone
And how does that translate to "getting Sae on their side"?

>Why do P5fags hate everything by Atlus that isn't P5?
they don't. why can't p3 and p4 fags stop seething that atlus is promoting their newest persona game instead of exclusively shilling for games that are over a decade old? at least your games still get any attention at all from atlus, unlike 1 and 2.

...how bad do you have to be to fail this hard?

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Why would Sae listen to Joker and show Akechi the phone? Why would Sae basically break Joker out of the police station?

People were always critical but nowadays Yea Forums and the gaming concious in general fall for big FotM games and proclaim as the best of all time without giving them the time to see if that is true. The truth is P5 isn't really this super special game it's just a good 3/5 jrpg with some flash. No one is allowed to criticize anything anymore since NPC programming came up with the whole "STOP LETTING PEOPLE ENJOY THINGS" strawman.

>Liking Cut scenes
Kill yourself

>The truth is P5 isn't really this super special game it's just a good 3/5 jrpg with some flash
This of course makes it a 5/5 JRPG compared to how horrible the genre has been lately.

Yea Forums loves cutscenes when they're in pc and nintendo games.

>Izayoi main
They're all always braindead.

Just skip them if you don't like it

>If you're talking about the dream then the first enemy you encounter is the Camera Eye
No? It's Izanami not Ameno Sagiri. Who also wasn't a camera eye until the anime so we know where you've been getting your info from.
Anyway, you can tell its her by the voice and the fact that you're in her dungeon.

>This is bait
It most certainly isn't. Igor doesn't have that much of a personality to call his own so you can't go by that angle to find a difference. If one were to go into p5 as their first game, like a friend of mine did, they wouldn't see anything wrong or become suspicious of him.

2B's ass

Boy are you stupid.

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>Igor doesn't have that much of a personality to call his own so you can't go by that angle to find a difference.
Just by being an asshole and saying 'Welcome to MY velvet room' tips him off, hell just compare Joker's VR being a prison compared to a cool elevator and a cool car and his Attendants almost abusing him

>It most certainly isn't
It certainly is. You just don't pay attention.

Im currently playing throught it for the first time and im loving it. The only thing that bothers me is the amount of rape, forces prostitution and sexual violence in general. Is this shit really that common in japan or is it just played up for drama?

Based

>Honestly, even those games' stories and writing arent as good as I remember,
Eh, I finished p1 recently and I was more interested in Maki's plight than anything in p5 but that's probably because it doesn't have huge breaks in between the story.

everyone is saying you can't let the deadline pass but you can rat out your friends or give in to the big bad and get "bad" endings as well

Except that's literally not what happens because if that were true, then Joker would be an instrument of their will rather than the entity that's been fighting against them of his own will the entire time.
What the story ends up actually having happen, despite what characters say is happening, is that mankind suddenly realizes they don't like their existing god and effectively choose to worship Joker so that he can kill their old god.
They do nothing of consequence aside from giving him the approval needed to empower joker to do what he was trying to do already.
You have it backwards; joker isn't the one being use, it's mankind. Joker isn't a gun, mankind is just joker's bullet

Not him but i only played Persona 4 before 5 so when Igor seem to change on top of the environment not being a comfy one but a punishing one i thought it was supposed to fit the theme of Joker being seen as a criminal by society.

>Yaldy represents the corrupt system that humanity only tolerates out of a false sense of security
Yaldy was very explicitly born out of mankind's laziness
His cardinal sin is Sloth after all. The Phantom Thieves are only able to defeat a god born out of humanity's laziness thanks to that same lazy humanity giving the Phantom Thieves the go-ahead to beat him for them.
>In SMT terms Persona takes the neutral path, not law or chaos
I might believe that if there was a chaos entity they have to defeat in order to secure a neutral path but there isn't
Literally everything in the game is about freedom and rebellion

>then Joker would be an instrument of their will rather than the entity that's been fighting against them of his own will the entire time.
Joker stopped fighting against them the moment he refused to take Yaldy's deal to continue being a Phantom Thief
>What the story ends up actually having happen, despite what characters say is happening, is that mankind suddenly realizes they don't like their existing god and effectively choose to worship Joker so that he can kill their old god.
No, humanity realizes they don't actually like being lazy and having some God decide what is it for them so they approve the Phantom Thieves removing him

>hell just compare Joker's VR being a prison compared to a cool elevator and a cool car and his Attendants almost abusing him
user, the velvet room changes in accordance to the visitor.
The visitor being joker who was recently in trouble with the law and unfairly punished which would mean that the VR would change into a representation of that feeling.

As for the attendants they also have personalities of their own. Just look at Elizabeth.

>Izanami is the first enemy you encounter in p4
That's the only hint you get in a 80 hour video game.

> Yaldy just comes out of nowhere at the end
No he isn't. Yaldy is foreshadowed the moment Igor starts speaking, how the velvet room looks like and the Twins appearance and confidant. He even calls Ren's journey as a "game". You could arguably say that all the bad shit that happens to the protag is because of his rigged game.

Game shits the bed hard after Kamoshida and never recovers, and that says a lot considering it was just the fucking tutorial dungeon, if R doesn't fix 98% of the game there is no hope
Also Persona just got lucky when it came to being the popular JRPG cause FF was killed by Square when 13 was made

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>The visitor being joker who was recently in trouble with the law and unfairly punished which would mean that the VR would change into a representation of that feeling.
A Prison is ok but not Joker being literally in shackles, when real Igor arrives he stops being in that prisoner outfit and his cell door is open
>As for the attendants they also have personalities of their own. Just look at Elizabeth.
Liz and Margaret never went as far as the twins went against Joker, they both treat Door and Yu with respect

3rd and 5th palaces are shit, little character development beyond social links that don't carry over to the main game, babby-tier difficulty and casualization, cringy teenage wish fulfillment plot
Strange Journey and the SMT series are far better.

bait

This is bait.

This is correct.

Its the cold hard truth

>shits on Persona
based
>pretends SJ is good
cringe

>user, the velvet room changes in accordance to the visitor.
it's not usually that on-the-nose. otherwise, door-kun's velvet room would have been a funeral home or something.
igor's creepier voice and inability to perform fusions himself also should have been major red flags.

>t. filtered

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>Game shits the bed hard after Kamoshida and never recovers
"i haven't played the game but i still want to shitpost": the opinion

>That shit
>Good

I got to the fight with Zelenin before I dropped it. The zone right after that one was alot worse

>Game shits the bed hard after Kamoshida
I wish Fortune Teller hippy lady would shit hard in my bed after Kamoshida.

Aggressive Atlus shilling doesn't really help it but it's understandable why they shill it so hard considering that it's their smash hit.
Not that they haven't shilled Persona titles before, 3 and 4 had their share of spin-offs, specials etc.
But P3 was still pretty niche when it came out and not really under the mainstream radar and P4 happened to actually get a cool fighting game first and a handheld remake atleast 4 years after its original release on the PS2.

P5 immediately gets several ok to mediocre spin-offs, anime adaptation and a remaster within 2 to 3 years. Joker getting into Smash hasn't exactly done any favors for discussion quality.
I wish Atlus just left P5 alone for a little bit before shilling and of course made P5 Arena first for a spin-off before Dancingshit, Musou boredom and Q.

P4G isn't a remake
P5R isn't a remaster

Based.

I have a 44 hour save file that I dropped in the summer slog after the neet's dungeon. I feel the same way

I have played the game, I could say it shits the bed at Burger King man or after Futabas palace but that's being too generous

Giving into the big bad doesn't give you the bad ending, it just gives you the Law ending.

>I hate the game is more book than game
That’s like going to a bar only to find out it’s a church that happens to sell alcohol
>What do you mean you don’t wanna pray and very calmly take shots?

>igor's creepier voice
Jap voice actor died. Of course he would have a new voice.
>inability to perform fusions himself
He doesn't do fusions after you free him, so should that be a red flag too?

>door-kun's velvet room would have been a funeral home or something.
Not him but no it wouldn't because door-kun wasn't even aware he housed death until later.

I don't get why P4 has worse dungeon is even something P5 say. I will take simple dungeon crawling over tedious puzzles and backtracking that lasts for 20 hours a palace.

samefag

>If one were to go into p5 as their first game, like a friend of mine did, they wouldn't see anything wrong or become suspicious of him.
Tell your friend he should've paid attention when Igor described how Confidant bonds worked, and then become immediately suspicious of Igor when it's not immediately obvious what Igor's side of the deal is with his own confidant.

okay

>Game shits the bed hard after Kamoshida and never recovers
This.

Got too popular.

cope

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It didn't though, we still have at least two per day, especially late at night.

>MS paint
pathetic

You people have an odd obsession with defecating in people's bed. id be interested to see what the porn on your hard drive looks like.

Not that popularity changes anything.

Here on Yea Forums ? it does, just look at undertale and some other games

Contrarianism.

>not leaving his porn on the cloud

They are jealous that the mainline series was overshadowed in popularity despite the fact that since the Persona team is different than the SMT team, Persona's existence only helps SMT by providing Atlus with more funds and assets. Persona was always designed to be casualized SMT, so SMT fans should at least be thankful their series didn't just immediately turn into Persona and it was instead made into it's own separate series.

Ah yes 2 the game that is 100% story because the gameplay is hellishly boring

Popularity wasn't the thing that turned us away from Undertale so much as it was the people that it brought.

Are you implying the furfaggots arent the ones that funded that kikestarter in the first place?

>mainline series
You personafags will never understand how Megaten works.

>Nooo more than one person can't possibly dislike my GOTY
Now you're just acting like a retard

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You wish it were furries.

More like smtfags are dumb when they say Desu, Raidou and DDS are SMT when it its Megaten

The posts where so retarded that it's hard to believe that more than one person posted it.

This. I guarantee you the shitposting would lessen if Atlus wasn't completely radio silent on every other project.

why are you quoting me? i'm just wondering if you have a scat fetish.

America is the only country on the face of the planet that matters, and there were three Persona games released in the US before a single SMT game showed up. Then they had two more Persona games and some spinoffs before the second western SMT release appeared. Persona has always been mainline, deal with it weaboomer.

>people not enjoying the entire game is retarded
Even people who liked the game have said many times that it drops the ball at certain points, you can't unironically think its flawless

What's wrong with what he said?

Atlus is usually radio silent until they're close to actually releasing something, P5 was an anomaly due to how fucked Atlus was at the time. People need to clue in that a) the initial trailer was so Nintendo could pad their Switch upcoming games list, b) they'll announce a release date when they're ready, and c) what they do with V is going to lay the groundwork for a bunch of spinoffs later down the road.

>there were three Persona games released in the US before a single SMT game showed
Could you name those Persona games? Because I'm pretty sure IS/EP didnt get localized and Nocturne came out before P3

Taking a figure of speech literally is still retarded

replying seriously to /jp/ memes isnt very bright either

These waifu JRPG games are far of the month. Every time a new one of these games comes out like recently fire emblem all the waifufags move to that.

>Jap voice actor died. Of course he would have a new voice.
typically, japan tries to avoid recasting characters when they can't use their traditional voice actors anymore. igor wasn't in persona q at all for that reason. the fact that igor was brought back for p5 should have been another red flag to anyone paying attention. they could have just brought philly back instead.

innocent sin didn't get localized until the psp port. eternal punishment did, though.

To add to this, P5R is the only known P5-related thing that they're actually working on. P5S is a Tecmo-Koei game if I'm right, like every other Musou. People seem to be under the impression that SMT V is in dev hell when the game only started full development a year and a half ago. This also works out as a good thing for it since it won't have to compete with 50 gorillion P5 spinoffs at launch.

i dunno about persona 5 or 4 but I started playing 3 recently cause i liked the premise, music, box monsters, and theme and i really really like it so far. its definitely melancholy and very serious, but rather enjoyable. i don't even mind that i can't control my party members, theyre often smart enough on their own without my interference.

Contrarians

Last Bible, which was released under the "Revelations" brand name as "Revelations: The Demon Slayer" to tie it with "Revelations: Persona"

>This is the only hint
No
>Your controller vibrates when you shake Izanami's hand
>Izanami only appears on rainy days and always says something cryptic. She's the only NPC to only appear on rainy days.
>How Yu, Nametame and Adachi got their powers is never answered until you go the true ending route
>P3 Weedman talks about Izanami and Izanagi

We learned how incredibly easy to bait Persona-babs are

It's the best nu-Persona. They hadn't totally abandoned the urban horror vibe for anime bullshit, and it comes through in the atmosphere.

Bruh Persona 1 got an English release on the PlayStation which is famous for cutting half of the game and changing the race of characters

>three

Because everyone is sick of the 2017 zoomer circlejerking

>Your controller vibrates when you shake Izanami's hand
Doesn't mean anything
>She's the only NPC to only appear on rainy days.
Hermit S.Link
>How Yu, Nametame and Adachi got their powers is never answered until you go the true ending route
No shit retard. There's no hints or foreshadowing before that.

>Doesn't mean anything
>Only on rainy days
>Unanswered major plot point.

The Fox appears on rainy days

>ONLY

>I intentionally lower the quality of the board because I don't like a game
Based. Thanks for confirming this for me.

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Except that's false because Yaldy was still empowered by society's laziness at that point. I'm arguing that never stops being the case, until Satanael appears at which point Joker is being powered by Society's laziness
>No, humanity realizes they don't actually like being lazy and having some God decide what is it for them so they approve the Phantom Thieves removing him
Which is why they let the Phantom Thieves do for them what Yaldy was previously doing for them?

Kamoshida's palace was the best.
Burger Palace was the worst.
The endgame dungeons/mementos+final boss staircase were cool but should have been longer.

My idea for making the game better is to cut the burger palace or make it super short to get it over with ASAP and then have the last month or so of the game take place within Yaldabaoth's world, dodging his angels and hiding out and finding a way to infiltrate his palace like actual crooks.

nobody got baited harder than the switchfags who thought they were getting a port because a bunch of "leakers" said so. stay seething, though. :)

The people of the Earth were lending Goku their power for the Spirit Bullet, you're thinking about it too hard. Everything is metaphorical: Joker IS Satanael, helping free humanity from the chains of the Demiurge, but it's up to humanity to find their path to gnosis even after that help.

>Burger Palace was the worst.
*blocks your path*

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This one at least had two fun boss fights. Burger Palace doesn't even have that.

>when they say Desu, Raidou and DDS are SMT when it its Megaten
That's a personafag thing.

>How did this go from one of the most well liked games on Yea Forums to one of the most disliked?

Fire Emblem Three Houses took aspects from PS5 and made them better

It's actually SMTnigger

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SJ is in fact mainline though

It's only the worst if you do it in one go. I can understand that it's supposed to be a marathon level to test how well the player has done the life simulator stuff up to that point, so I won't harp on it for it. Not looking forward to going through all those rat mazes again in R though.

Not him but it's really not. SMT fags always make threads saying "SMT thread, Personafags fuck off" but then they post Raidou or some shit.

>It's only the worst if you do it in one go
i did all palaces in one go in basically hours and HOLY SHIT did i have a headache and was begging for sleep by the time i finish. FUCK that palace. i won't ever replay the game just for that.

If SJ is mainline so is persona.

I mean that's your own fault considering the game shoves safe rooms in every other floor. Nothing stopping you from just saving in the middle and continuing later.

>Persona has always been mainline,
No shit dumbass.

I'm not thinking about it too hard, I'm literally laying out the events of the plot against what the plot says it's about and contesting that there's some serious dissonance that came about as a result of the story wanting to keep the Phantom Thieves important and have a big catharsis moment at the end like these JRPGs do.
>Joker IS Satanael, helping free humanity from the chains of the Demiurge, but it's up to humanity to find their path to gnosis even after that help.
Except that's only possible because humanity isn't doing it itself and giving Joker the authority to do it on their behalf the same way they gave Yaldy the authority to control them on their behalf.
There's nothing wrong with a spirit bomb finish, but in DBZ it's about everyone standing together to fight a tyrant because they couldnt do it themselves.
P5's ending is literally all about motivating humanity to take responsibility for making their own society better instead of leaving it to someone else. But then they don't do that, they do the opposite of that.

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I thought the final boss fight where you had to speed clear the color coded enemies was fun

Not him but that honestly doesn't make sense.

>but then they post Raidou or some shit
Those would be personafags. They're literally the only ones who don't know about the western name changes and then actively defend them.

>The only SMT game I've played of those is Nocturne.
>Get called a Nocturne baby if I ever talk about this.
I just don't get what's so fun about the rest.

That's not an image of mainline games.

It is but it's not the same mainline as smt.

>Personafags only play their games and are too casual for the rest of Megaten
>Personafags constantly talk about Devil Summonr
Which is it?

He thinks it's am image displaying all of the mainline titles despite the fact that it's been explicitly stated that SJ is a spin off

That I've ENJOYED* I mean. I've played plenty others.

>The people posting in the SMT thread and throwing shade at Persona are the Personafags.

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Absolutely mediocre. P4 is still best Persona.

>SJ is a spin of-

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Yea Forums is inherently contrarian in nature, should P5 have been a total flop with the same gameplay, people on Yea Forums would've been eating it up as a total underrated gem, but P5 did really well and is an actual fun game, so by nature, people on Yea Forums have to hate it or else they're "pleddit scum"

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user, those aren't mutually exclusive.
Personafags will constantly latch on to those games as "evidence" that persona is smt. But because they know nothing about smt they're quickly corrected and sent on their way.

You say that, but there are plenty of games that are universally reviled and universally praised both in the mainstream and on Yea Forums
I find that sort of ad hominem attack on the critic to be without value

So you're saying no one ever brings up Raidou or Devil Summoner in an SMT thread unless they're also talking about Persona? Is that what you're saying?

2016 turned the entire site to shit

2013 did it first

i think /o/ has gotten better with time since its initial shitfest.

retronauts.com/article/906/embarking-on-a-strange-journey-redux

>Retronauts: I've heard rumors that Strange Journey was originally intended to be published as Shin Megami Tensei 4, but was turned into a non-numbered spinoff instead. What do you think defines a "true" SMT game? In your opinion, where does a spinoff like Strange Journey fit into the franchise or universe?

>EI: To be exact, it was developed as a spinoff from the start. The promotional staff at the time judged the game to have high enough quality to be marketed as a numbered title, so they suggested selling it as a numbered SMT game. Even Mr. Kazuma Kaneko, who worked with us to design the human and demon characters and pen the original story, backed up the suggestion, saying it was “good enough to be called Shin Megami Tensei IV.”

>But, because it was conceived as a spinoff, we enjoyed the freedom of going off on a tangent from the mainline games (and the extra pain and suffering from that, haha). Therefore, I felt a strong resistance to market it as a numbered title, and I ultimately rejected the suggestion.

It was always a spin off.

Care to provide some examples of games both liked by the mainstream and Yea Forums?

Smash
Monster Hunter
Most Dragonball games
Mario Kart
Crash Bandicoot
Spyro
Doom
Kirby
Sonic Mania

TWEWY (at least in the sense that most mainstream reviewers who've heard of it like it) is pretty generally well liked.
I would argue the same for Ace Combat 7 and Bloodborne and Splatoon.
Meanwhile shit like the 64 Superman game is considered almost unplayable by anyone who remembers it.
Really extreme examples but my argument is that not every situation of bitching on Yea Forums is contrarianism.
And even when there's a strain of that, it usually comes as a result of mainstream circlejerking throwing the issues into more sharp relief

Based.

It's just loud underage shitposters/v/ has always loved Persona 5

Makes you wonder why they decided that Nocturne, which reinvented basically everything to the point it almost feels like an outlier in several ways, was considered mainline back in the day while Devil Summoner, which actually continued the classic-era gameplay, wasn't.

popular bad

thats one thing i like about it, the overall feeling of mystery and horror hidden behind the layman, everyday school life that you must participate in. during the day everything is normal, you have idiot classmates and eccentric teachers, hang out with friends or study and such, while at night the populace turns into blood-soaked coffins, water turns into blood, electronics stop working, the moon casts an eerie green light, and you have to take up a sword to fend off grotesque monsters that start prowling the spooky, ethereal tower that your school turns into.

its a feeling of isolation amongst your peers at school and you are given even more isolation by being the only one who can see the velvet room door and the mysterious boy that warns you of the intelligent hellbeast horrors that arrive on full moons, but the isolated feeling isn't limited to just you, as your friends at the dorm also feel isolated in their own ways and you can and do bridge those bonds as they open up to you and try to balance the supernatural and mundane themselves.

im rather engrossed in it, its really good

reddit like thing so now grug no like thing

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nintendo shit.

>Ace Combat 7

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Except for Smash Yea Forums hates Nintendo.

PCtards whining that an arcade game doesn't have simulator HOTAS support don't count as people.

False. New Vegas is the most reddit game ever made, but is pretty well liked here.

Same reason why P3 to 5 is are mainline persona games despite being nothing like the first two.

I dunno, I havent seen many people complaining about it on here or in reviews

The PC scores got bombed thanks to simtards and there's always one (1) tard parroting their tardation every time there's an AC thread.

Except that he's right. Anything that gets too popular gets reviled, you even see it with games like Yakuza 0 that was, at one point, universally praised. But part of it isn't that people are being "converted" into haters, it's that haters are emboldened by a game's success, they feel more of a need to make their opinion heard because it runs counter to the mainstream. They don't want to "let the game get away with it", if you will.

By the way, try to avoid immediately calling things out as fallacious when they aren't. It makes you look stupid. Simply saying someone has obvious, negative traits is not ad hominem. Me calling someone, like you, an idiot is an ad hominem, or at least it would be, if my argument relied solely upon that.

there are a lot of people who shitpost about nintendo but i still think its at least a 60/40 split between people who suck nintendo's dick and those who shit on them/don't care

Really, it's all mostly arbitrary. They could have called SMT if SMT 3 and Persona 1 SMT 4 and it wouldn't seem too outlandish.

Eh, it's probably more along the lines of 40/25/25/10 to Sony, PC, Nintendo and Xbox.

>it's all mostly arbitrary
The reality is that it's about the central themes not the gameplay.

>But part of it isn't that people are being "converted" into haters, it's that haters are emboldened by a game's success, they feel more of a need to make their opinion heard because it runs counter to the mainstream. They don't want to "let the game get away with it", if you will.
That's an interesting perspective on the contrarian phenomena.
>Simply saying someone has obvious, negative traits is not ad hominem
Sure but claiming that criticism or dislike of a game is purely because of contrarianism isn't really fair because it's very much possible that aspects of a game that are well like by general audiences are disliked by enthusiasts who browse this board.

Yeah, that's true.

>you even see it with games like Yakuza 0 that was, at one point, universally praised.
You do realise that the hate for Yakuza came from the people who were mad about it being ported to PC, right? You can see the change in the archive the moment the port was announced.
Also here's a list of popular games and series Yea Forums likes

you clearly haven't seen the shitholes that are botw threads. no criticism allowed without nintendo shills screeching "97, SNOY, COPE, SEETHE."

>You can see the change in the archive
user...

Some Yea Forums approved eceleb probably bad mouthed it, so naturally Yea Forums parrots it instead of thinking for themselves.

user, botw threads are only made by anti-nintendo posters now. Everyone else moved on.

People started to actually play it.

Zero's port was long after the purge user.

This.

that's the cycle of everything here, when the people who enjoyed a game has moved on all that's left are the shitposters

>MGSV is the first metal gear game to release on PC
>by far the most reviled and shitposted entry in the saga
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>MGSV is the first metal gear game to release on PC
And this is why everyone hates sonyfags.

>by far the most reviled and shitposted entry in the saga
That's 4, though.

back to your discord PCringe

there is a very noticeable drop in quality after the Kamoshida arc and the game never hits that high again
the game shitting the bed is debatable but I don't think you can deny that there is nowhere near as much emotional investment in any of the other palaces for the party

I think most e-celebs fucking love P5 though.

>MGSV is the first metal gear game to release on PC
>what is mg1
>what is mgs1
>what is mgs2
Man you're retarded.

One thing that really bugged me was the fact that the cutscenes were so dynamic and cool, but only for the first like 10% of the game. The vast majority of it afterwards are just the characters standing still and talking

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>Kamoshida arc
>tons of time spent on fleshing out the relationship between Palace owner and the new party members
>ton of time spent on building and fleshing out the internal logic of the villain
>ton of time spent showing how their real world abuse is viewed by the villain
>satisfying rehabilitation
>satisfying catharsis when he confesses
>not a fucking peep about dumb black mask or conspiracy shit
I would disagree with the other user that the game shits the bed right after.
I actually like Madarame's bit but it's definitively less well written and fleshed out than Kamoshida's arc for each of its comparable elements.
The writing gets slowly but progressively worse with each subsequent dungeon, with less and less time spent exploring the shit that makes the player care.
The game ACTUALLY shits the bed when the Conspiracy becomes the main plot focus

I didnt notice that actually, you're right
Like Ryuji's awakening scene is way more lively just in terms of the camera angles and cinematography than Makoto's or Haru's.

Persona is shit but if you must play one 2 is the best

That's modern persona in a nutshell. They treat it like an anime in that they have the best parts at the beginning and end.

>Shin Megami Tensei IV ANAL
wat

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Are you illiterate?

Final

I'm just wondering why SMT IV Apocalypse is called SMT IV Anal in Japan

Gonna agree with this.

Its not the dungeons fault either, dungeons are better than every other persona, its just the story starts sucking a quite a bit. Once I got my Goth Doctor GF I just stopped playing the game.

The actual answer to OP's question is that the honeymoon period ended. People were tired of p4 being endlessly stilled by Atlus that the tease for persona 5 got people excited because it was finally over. Then the game came out and we had all the graphics and the new walrus and new friends and music and everyone was happy since it was NEW. But that can't last forever, as soon as everyone had finally listened to last surprise for the 1000th time people eventually started to move on and look at it objectively, they started noticing how awful the characters were and how bland the soundtrack was on comparison to the older entries. Then the anime adaptation came out and proved it since they didn't have the UI's stylistic shit to fall back on. Then as time went on, we've had shit like consolewars and dumb ass pointless shit exaggerating all of this.

>Then as time went on, we've had shit like consolewars and dumb ass pointless shit exaggerating all of this.
Not exactly, the whole reason console wars were promoted later in was to give the game a criticism scapegoat of sorts.

It’s the worst new persona, P5 is way better.

That game is the absolute worst game called "Persona 5" released in 2016 by Atlus on the PS4 ever made. No other game that fits those qualifications come close to being as bad.

The reception was always mixed here.

but im having a lot of fun with it

No shitch port, nintendofag chucked a hissy fit

NO YOU AREN'T

Hey so I'm near the end of the game and I can't decide between Takemi, Kawakami and Haru. I have each of their confidants at 8 and just don't know who to pick.

"True" smtfags ended up being worse than personafags

If you're unsure, then go for Haru. She has the better confidant.

Dangonecrappa is probably the most similar game to persona right now and its way better. Why? Because the story is always advancing, the characters are more interesting, and the scenario is infinitely more exciting being trapped in an academy/island playing investigator and prosecutor. Fuck the little mini games during the trials are more fun than persona 5

>be pathetic turn based weebshit
>people actually think this is good

Even dunkey liked Persona 5, I can't think of an e-celeb that just outright hated it.

Shido fight was better than the actual final boss.

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Shido fight was the only boss in the whole game that wasn't garbage.

I had never touched a SMT/Persona game before 5 and I loved it. Thought I'm not sure I would like the other titles.

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Why did Shido turn into Bane?

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This.

but i am
setting up combos in tartarus is pretty fun, as well as trying to mix personas to try and get something new, and investigating the mystery of the occult and what's going on in the city. its engaging, but i wish i wouldnt hit the softcap so quickly every block, cause then grinding is either a waste of time, or for making money to buy equipment

also seeing yukari struggle with her own emotions and be affronted to romance because of her mother hopping from guy to guy but slowly coming to terms with how she feels is cute. when arcana lovers separated the party and isolated the protagonist and yukari in the love hotel, trying to brainwash them into succumbing to temptation, was it all the arcana lovers doing? or was it simply capitalizing on something that was already there? why separate and isolate just them if not so?

its fun to muse and watch how this plays out. i like yukari a lot

Hanged Man

>"lmao what if we made tartarus again but worse"

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you'll need a good CPU but it runs perfectly

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The fact that fans of this game can't take criticism of it at all really encourages shitposters.

Is it what the game needed or will it just be even worse?

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It looks pretty good and the new ending arc looks interesting. Shame about the possible 6 to 7 month wait for the English version.

The Moon

talking shit and criticism aren't the same thing

Yea Forums is not one person, there are a lot of contrarians so if the statement is true it could be due to a perceived majority liking P5, those who played the prior games may or may not enjoy P5, there might not have been a shift at all outside of the inner world of OP (if sincere) and others who regardless of sincerely hold a similar belief.

I enjoyed the game in isolation, not from the perspective of someone who played the previous Persona games, not as someone who could be considered a 'weeb', not as someone who plays a lot of JRPGs or Japanese games in general, but solely as someone who played P5. I enjoyed the art, and the game as a whole without much focus on any specif detail outside of aesthetics. There are others who hold a different view, there are also those who hold a similar view, there are at any given time over a hundred million people browsing this site, a single thread or threads being created at day or night will have completely different opinions.

>Proving his point

All of the people assuming its mainline shit are wrong. The real reason is that every SMT side project that wasnt persona died after Persona 3, and by the time P4 settled in they were all moved to making persona spinoffs like dancing and Q instead of SMT sidegames like raidou.

How can 2 games (P5 and BOTW) assblast daily the entire board so hard?

The thing with P5 is that its level of presence on this board far outclasses its actual popularity. There's only 2.5 million people who bought P5, it's far less than most yearly AAA games, yet Yea Forums always has one or two P5 threads on the catalog

So we should be talking about FIFA and CoD all day, instead? Who gives a fuck about the popularity, there are indie games that get near daily threads on Yea Forums that could only dream of approaching a million sales. Go complain about shilling in those threads.

>we should be talking about FIFA and CoD all day
This but unironically.

based and brap pilled

Brap and pasebilled

I have to force myself to play it. Fuck it's just like DQ 11 something feels very off but I can't put my finger on it.

Meanwhile the remake of DQ7 sucks me right in

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>Who gives a fuck about the popularity
>We just had a poll, everyone loves it
>It's Yea Forums's favorite game
>It's unanimously decided as the best
Pretty bad thread

because for a while it was dumb pasty incels who only played it. then once all the regular people decided to see what all the hype was about it they realized it was a game for, well, dumb pasty incels.

This.

An e-celeb told me to hate it