Thoughts?

I don't hate the game, but I think he is right

Persona 5 doesn't actually have a cool style though. I guess the UI is cool, but everything else seems pretty bland. Now Persona 4 had cool designs.

If you like 3,4, or 5 you're the cancer that's choking SMT to death

>five hours

peak pseudo intellectual

This but unironically.

all anime is style over substance

Meh, it was fun but too longwinded for me

FPBP
Gas all eceleb zoomers

>5 FUCKING hour ramble-youtuber
>6.4K views
>a literal who even by literal who standards
You're just looking for reasons to be upset, that's my thought.

All Modern Games and Also Most of Modern Everything: Style Over Substance

seething

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Yeah i'll definetly watch a 5 ho7r video that will probably regurgitate all the same arguments i've heard over the past 2 years. In all its a 6/10, fun game

t. smtscum

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Why do people make these fucking reviews?
Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, not a single fucking soul will ever watch this video from the start to finish.

>Persona 5
>RPG
Kek

Sometimes a game that is style over substance can be more entertaining than the reverse. Sometimes it's nice to just relax. Like that Flower game, or The Stanely Parable, or even SotC. It doesn't always have to be a convoluted story and overly complex mechanics to deliver a satisfying experience. That said, I really dont think P5 fits that description. Even when compared to other SMT games, it's roughly as complex as most of them. I think this dude just thought it'd be easy clickbait.

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>5 hour video

I can probably watch an 12 episode anime in that time (provided i skip the opening and ending animations) than listen to some literally who rant on about a game

Imagine wanting the joseph anderson audience

Persona 4 is the only one that had any actual soul. It had so much soul, they couldn't stop making spin-offs until Persona 5 came out.

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>Muh waifu game better
Fuck off and die. 2 was the best.

>tfw you will never wake up next to Makoto and enjoy a pleasant morning together

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Persona has never been good. Its a glorified dating simulator

>Obscuring your supporting argument behind 5 hours of rambling

why are zoomers so willing to give up every single aspect of living in exchange for convenience to justify their laziness with? it's honestly appalling
imagine watching critique videos of games you haven't even played just so you can quote the opinions within verbatim in discussions to pretend you have an opinion in the first place instead of just engaging with the game if it interests you, playing it, making your own critiques along the way and then discussing it or just saying "lolbro no fuck persona i'm not a weeb" and calling it a day

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Persona 4 had soul, yes, but it was the only bad one. So bad they had to run it through two other genres to make it work.

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tl;dw

>it's roughly as complex as most of them.

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>he doesn't appreciate every megaten in its own way and recognize each of their flaws which they all have many

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>let me cherry pick by using the tutorial dungeon

Yeah, let's pretend Persona games are known for having intricate, convoluted dungeons instead of glorified hallways.

Shut up weeb

Even the final dungeon isn't complex retard

he drew the direct comparison to megaten retards

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Imagine typing this paragraph, kill yourself

The only modern persona game with some substance is 3.
The problem is 4 was so successful it changed the direction of the series.

I honestly can't decide what parts of P5 are worse, dungeon diving with that atrocious, braindead gameplay or the filler ridden "social simulation" trash. The game is amusing because almost everything related to it (aside from the music maybe) is a pile of shit, that even includes waifus.

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Your mother will die in her sleep tonight

>gigantic samey laberynths filled with random encounters
wow so much fun!

It's literally the best designed dungeon in the game too.

I don't know that particular eceleb but I'll assume it's going to be some high pitched crackly onions voice meandering for [monetization threshold] plus XX seconds about vidya games thank you come again

>The soundtrack is garbag-
youtube.com/watch?v=8WEeVrR4IVA
youtube.com/watch?v=IwPZWVEDZxk
youtube.com/watch?v=h2P_hqhu5rQ

This. I hate it when kids bring up e-celeb opinions in conversations, as if said e-celeb was part of the conversation or a friend of theirs. Think for yourselves and get real friends, not paid ones.

>personatard is so mad he can't even read the post
Thus said, P5's ost is a huge hit and miss. Music design hovewer is an absolute fucking trash, even some PS1 era JRPGs understood that you can't just make a 100 hours game with a single normal encounter theme.

user, posting examples of the soundtrack isn't going to make them think the soundtrack is good.
Though, I'm willing to bet they can't even tell you why they don't like any of those tracks. Probably some contrarian musiclet.

I feel like a lot of people throw the style over substance charge at it just because it is stylish. It's not a thing with P5 in particular, though it does happen with it, but it seems like anything with a notable sense of style gets accused of being style over substance, as if having a strong sense of style means that's all the game can have, or like there can't be substance in the game's style. If you want to talk about P5 specifically though, it's not a game of a lot of substance, and is a game with a lot of style, but I wouldn't describe it as style over substance. I don't think anything about the game is sacrificed for its style, it's largely just straightforward menus with flashy presentation anyway, and even if it doesn't have much substance, it has enough for what it is. It's not crazy in-depth or anything, but I don't get the impression that it's trying to be, and while I think some elements of both its writing and mechanics could be fleshed out a little more, it's not enough for me to say the game has no substance, it's just enough for me to say the game isn't without its issues.

>5 hours
it doesn't take that long to explain why this game sucks balls lmao

>Though, I'm willing to bet they can't even tell you why they don't like any of those tracks
It sounds like shit to my ears you fucking nigger

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nigga I'm not watching some five hour long youtube video as a prerequisite to post in your stupid-ass thread. If you've got a point to make about Persona 5, you need either make it yourself or at least summarize the video in two or three paragraphs at most before asking for rebuttals.

op shut the fuck down in the first post

>dbz-spic telling others about eating shit on a daily basis
cute

>I don't think anything about the game is sacrificed for its style
It's not about "sacrificing", it's about covering piss poor gameplay mechanics, story and characters under the layers of flashy shit to distract easily amusable normalfags.
Thus said, i don't even dig P5's style that much. It becomes significantly worse at the game goes on, Kamoshida's palace is where it peaks.

Persona 5 was also bad.

Okay, that's nice. Why do they sound like shit? I want to challenge your active listening. Use any three of those tracks and tell me what's wrong with them.
This isn't a bait, I'm genuinely curious.

Here's your (you)

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>Use any three of those tracks
That should be "any of those three tracks", my bad.

>gets BTFO
>h-h-here's your (You)
cute

>It's not about "sacrificing", it's about covering piss poor gameplay mechanics, story and characters
It doesn't cover up any of its gameplay mechanics or story in its presentation. People are amused by the presentation because its good, and it enhances a lot of other elements of the game, but it doesn't cover them up. It's not like the flashy menus make it so you can accidentally not play the game and realize its bad or the flashy menus can make you accidentally skip over the weaker parts of the story so you don't notice the weakness in the writing. A lot of praise for the game goes towards things like the characters anyway, so although you may dislike those characters yourself, it's an element that made the game well-liked that had nothing to do with its sense of style. People didn't like Yusuke because they were so enamored by how cool his text box looked that they ignored his supposedly poor dialogue, they liked him because of the writing itself which may have been presented nicely, but was not covered up at all. The game's sense of style doesn't change as the game goes on anyway, so I don't know why you're saying you thought it was better early on. The tone of the game changes, but the menus, the red and black color palette and the phantom thief motif is constant from beginning to end.

i will

imagine letting a youtuber decide your opinions for you on a game.

That's correct.

>btfo
How so retard? I gave a reason why I didn't like the music albeit a bad one.

Still leagues better than BotW's dungeons.

Also that user isn't the one that asked you. I'm the guy up here

No

Glad we've reached the point where this shit gets called out immediately.
Fuck you OP.

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>the soundtrack sucks
>why
>cuz its bad xd
You're a fucking retard, but you're a gohanspic so that's to be expected, Pablo.

If the game is as shallow as the title of the video claims it to be, why does he need to spend nearly five hours explaining that point?

Could someone co-opt his opinions and present them as his own so I can save a few hours?

Yeah, exactly. I wasn't asked to give an in-depth reason for my answer in the original post, just an answer. This is why you're a fucking idiot.

Excellent priority post.

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>It doesn't cover up any of its gameplay mechanics or story in its presentation
It does. 90% of combat gameplay is fishing for all-outs. But because of how flashy those segments are, it's easy to trick people with poor taste in video games into liking this incredibly repetitive routine simply because they are given an easily accessible awesome button. It's the same as far as other elements of the game go. In every single aspect it's a triumph of style over plot, pacing, characters, fucking everything.
>A lot of praise for the game goes towards things like the characters anyway
Only from people with incredibly poor taste playing in their very first pick your waifu sim. There's maybe 2 well-written characters in the entire game and they aren't even close to being the focus of the story. Confidant arc characterization is almost universally awful, and the most popular female character has easily the worst confidant arc in the entire game which says a lot.

Based
If he monetized it, that means he could stuff more ads into it.

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This. Persona 4 is the only good Persona game. P3 is decent but P5 is trash. But really, the other games should have just been soundtrack CDs. The story/gameplay is trash.

>Persona 4 is the only good Persona game

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I'm in the last section (dungeon) and honestly the game is too fucking long, I've been skipping dialogue for like 2 hours now, I just don't even give a shit at this point. It should have ended immediately after Shido with some extra days to tie up confidant relationships/school

Zoomers on suicide watch

BASED

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>5 hours
I mean I agree but cut it down fuck, nobody's going to watch that whole thing. Sometimes less is better. Now any P5 critics are going to look like genuine autists for this guy being stupid.

Here's a blast from the past

gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=1320786

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If you can’t stand the sight of your own reflection then simply kill yourself

fpbp. also based.

Alright I've "watched" mauler videos in the background while doing something else but those are at most 2 hours and people think that's ridiculous, 5 is way too long

I bet you thought that was clever, huh?

it's true
Persona has been shit ever since 3

But he's right?
It's the only one that understands it's vapid high school waifushit sim and the writing, tone and structure all properly reflect and enhance this.
Not that I expect a retarded wojackposter to understand anything

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Fuck off nusonafag, 1 and 2 were amazing.

>Scooby-doo in Japan is good because it's good at being shit
Okay, buddy.

Persona 4 was literally Jojo Part 4 without Josuke and Joseph.

Persona didn't start as a waifu sim.

Mauler just splits his long videos in multiple parts. Hell, his Outlast review is like 5 hours long, his hbomberguy rebuttal around 10 hours. Use the timestamps if you can't be bothered to watch the whole thing in one sitting.

>his hbomberguy rebuttal around 10 hours.
Was it autism?

this is Yea Forums, people don't have thoughts. just count how many posts say only "based" and "cringe". By far the lowest iq board on the site

>90% of combat gameplay is fishing for all-outs
Which is apparent to anybody. That they did a good job presenting it doesn't mean people are going to play it and not even realize that it's good to defend yourself with the attack type the enemy is using and to exploit the enemy's weakness. Even people who love the game's combat will readily agree that a lot of is just attacking the enemy's weakpoint, it's not hidden from you at all.

>Only from people with incredibly poor taste
As I said, your, or anybody's, personal preference for the characters and how good they are is beside the point. They're still laid bare and their faults aren't hidden by the games style, and the game was well-received because of that, not because they were distracted by the game's style.

>By far the lowest iq board on the site
That's Yea Forums.

>make an actual thread with a subject to discuss
I think the subject is right in the OP image, buddy.
Is Persona 5 in fact style over substance? That's something worth discussing.

>10 hour rebuttal to an 1 hour video
You tell me. Compared to this, a 5 hour video about a 100 hour game seems appropriate.

PERSONA WASN'T ALWAYS A FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL WAIFUSHIT DATING SIM YOU FUCKTARD

The spinoffs for Persona 5 all flopped because they couldn't sell. I chalk it up to Altus thinking they can charge premium for remixed songs on Dancing Starlight, and Persona Q2.

Only Persona Post 3 sells big block buster levels of money. Mainline performs modestly well, but has better quality.

completely agree
Persona used to be this great series about highschool kids getting in over their heads into the occult and weird, and how this fucks up their lives and they need to survive the experience, but then starting from 3 it does turn into waifushit more and more

4 is where Persona went to shit. In 3, you had to be a big dick chad to get access to Yukari, Mitsuru, or Fuuka

I'd rather play something that's good at being shit than bad at being shit. How much of a colossal failure do you have to be to fuck up being shit?

Persona started at 3. The first three games are borderline unplayable.

Yeah, and I'd rather play something good at being good, user. That's why I don't play Persona 4.

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that only proves 3 is waifushit

They copied Yaldy's story arc directly from Izunami's story arc in P4. Except the story is already mostly wrapped up by the time you defeat Adachi in P4, giving the Izunami arc more of a post game feel to it. Not so in P5 where the story is still progressing after you defeat Shido making Yaldy's arc feel tacked on hours after the main climax just to wrap up the loose ends.

>Persona 5 is style over substanc-

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Based

And isn't it great how you can explain the issues with the game in two paragraphs than some dude shilling OPs 5 hour video?

dilate

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>I want people to think I'm smart
>Should I do something with actual merit and difficulty, like the lone inventors of history?
>Should I go to school, get a degree and try to get involved in real life or even history changing research?
>Too hard. All I care about is a hobby that exists purely for low-effort recreation
>Should I sit down and really prove my love of the medium by making my own magnum opus?
>No, that would also require effort.
>But how can I prove I'm so much smarter than everyone else and I'm too smart to appreciate a popular product?
>I know! A five hour video essay! That's almost like actual work or actually being intelligent!
>Heh heh heh, my flawless logic will be seen by devs themselves and change the face of vidya design for years to come

Criticism is a bleak abyss.

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How will OP recover from this?

brainlet

I don't even recognize this series anymore. It started as this deep and twisted Alice in Wonderland-esque adventure FT. SMT demons to this shitty waifu harem sim so far removed from what it initially set out to be. Everything used to be about "look into your own self and heart and face your flaws" to "look into other people's hearts and punish for wrong think" portraying the villains in the most shallow ways possible to strengthen its already weak premise, making them literal strawmans.

It doesn't help that the nusona fanbase encourages this shit, that's why we have shitty spinoffs like dancing. I never wanted this series to become like what happened to Final Fantasy but it looks like it's too late.

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Powerful....

Good job BTFO out of normies.

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I thought there was literally gonna be a new P5 called Style Over Substance

This, but Persona still sucks though

>the nusona fanbase encourages this shit
[citation needed]

Only for cum guzzling faggots such as yourself. Some people enjoy dungeon crawlers.

persona 4 is generic anime garbo for normies

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Kek

>style over substance
There three words compared to two paragraphs. Going into detail and explaining your point is bad.

They literally asked for all the spin off games, Atlus does a bi-yearly survey and it was the p4/5 fags wanting spin offs and other bullshit.

you're not actually thinking that you're hot shit, right?

Also that post has exactly 1 valid criticism and the rest is just "Thing is Bad."

faggot OP vs based user

OP IN FUCKING SHAMBLES

you didn't even post the worst part of eridanus.
TELEPORT HELL

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At least you can tell the rooms apart and which way you're going.

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What if he is? And you're nothing but a cuck?

Haven't watched the video, but I agree with the title at least. Persona 5's writing is the laziest yet, the last quarter of the game is a fucking mess that reeks of rushed development. The OST is good but noticeably lacking in variety. Rivers in the Desert is good, but over the same endgame span, Persona 4 had New World Fool, The Almighty, Fog, and Genesis as endgame boss themes while Persona 5 used Rivers in the Desert three times and Yaldabaoth once. S. Links are all homogenized and go too hard on the themes of corrupt authority to the point where every rank 8 and 9, for everyone outside of your party, hits the exact same story beats. Persona balance is a mess. The characters are flatter than ever. Every time it looks like the game is going to have a swerve that raises the stakes it turns out to be a fakeout.

3 and 4 weren't perfect, but they were also tighter productions that didn't feel unfinished and were mostly fleshed out and didn't leave you wanting too much more. Persona 5 had a notably troubled development cycle and it shows.

>playing a video game
>playing a video game before I talk shit about it
Heh you're a funny guy user.

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Also I liked how P3 and P4 were introspective for the most part, while 5 has you trying to fuck over some "stupid adult" for every dungeon.

OP absolutely destroyed, fpbp

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>P3 and P4 were introspective for the most part
lol

>OP Asks for your thoughts regarding vidya
>Why don't you make an actual thread instead, fgt?

>OP gives a few generalized statement regarding vidya game
>gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8 dil8

>OP gives a very detailed explanation in relation to vidya gaem
>WhoahNiggaDidYouExpectMeToRead.png

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So what, is that video basically just some guy ranting for four fucking hours about one weeb game? Jesus Christ.

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I absolutely love these kind of long videos because it's easier to listen to one long video at work than a bunch of short ones.

What he means is that the subject matter of those games was about dealing with aspects of life and human nature and contrasting health/unhealthy tactics of coping with death and/or uncomfortable truths (to variable success) as opposed to starring a group of kids lashing out at people who abuse their power by turning into brainwashing superheroes who solve problems through brute force rather than reflection and counseling.

cringe

How is first post always the best post
Also fuck video essay ecelebs

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Don't put words in my mouth faggot. But yes basically what you said

Turning Persona into a waifu series without significantly advancing actual gameplay at all was horrible. Yet somehow Fire Emblem is better than ever since Awakening. Dunno.

everyone will ignore your post, because you're right

Not gonna watch your shitty video but it is true that Persona 5 is style over substance.

fpbp

The correct answer is to not make threads at all and leave Yea Forums entirely

Everyone in this thread is retarded EXCEPT ME
I am the smartest person in this thread and i can give objectively correct opinions

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OP didn't ask for thoughts on vidya you stupid and/or disingenuous prick.

He showed that there's a 5 hour video essay and asked for thoughts and obviously wants people to talk about the absurdity of a five hour video essay and not the fucking game. The game is a front for him to say "look at how silly this is!!! lol CRINGE!!!!!!!"

Fucking rekt

Persona 4 has got to be the most overrated "game" on the planet. Shut is boring for over 40 hours but people forgive it because it has a good start and has a good end.

This shit should have been an anime only and never should have been a video game

Isn't it generally agreed that after Kamoshida's dungeon the writing and atmosphere kinda taps out?

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>because it has a good start
fucking what?

who in their right mind will sit and listen to an autist ramble about how he doesn't like a videogame for 5 hours? oh right, truckers.

Only on Yea Forums

AHAHA OHHH NOOOOOEEESSS OP OH NO

First two hours are pretty fun right before you figure out there's another world and figure out how to traverse it. Starts going downhill as you do the first dungeon

>extremely long video essay
>with a transcript or actual essay you could probably read it in 20 min tops
everytime

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based first poster kek. OP zoomerlike thread btfo in nanoseconds.

>5 hours game to explain why this piece of shit weeb garbage is bad
Lol

I played it as a kid sue me.

Drawn out video essays? Not my thing senpai

Yes, the personal stakes of Kamoshida's palace are far greater because the lead up to finally deciding to raid his palace for the treasure is Shiho attempting fucking suicide by jumping off the roof after an implied sexual assault and everyone in your party decides that they're willing to risk killing him if it means he'll be punished one way or another. This is followed up by Madarame threatening to call the police on you for trespassing. They try to elicit the same reaction with Yosuke's mother's death and one of his students committing suicide, but the fact you don't see either of these things happen means there's no escalation. And things only deescalate from there with fatso yakuza just threatening to send pictures of you with a bottle of alcohol to your fucking principal. The real horrid shit (sex trafficking) isn't even hinted at until after you already fail. Futaba's palace is a step in the right direction but the scenario is so fucking cartoonish (a bunch of men in suits coming to read a little girl a letter about how much her mom hates her and this is all her fault and EVERYONE she's related to agreeing) it softens the impact.

Absolutely nothing compares to watching a high-schooler attempt suicide in real-time.

the title is correct, persona 5 is a bland as fuck with a story that only gets worse as it goes along and gameplay that's watered down from P3/4, which is watered down from SMT already

the "tutorial" dungeons is the most complex in the game retard

fitting considering it's a critique of P5

tl;dw

based

He spends well over an hour dissecting every social link from rank 1-10.
>t. sperg who watched the video

You are literally the only person to ever think that.

>1 and 2 were amazing.
You are a contrarian fucking liar who did not play those games you shithead, I can give you the story of 2 but nothing else.

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Fpbp also OP is a faggot

Pretty surprised at the responses this user got. Maybe the other anons don't have younger siblings or something, because I often find myself wondering this about my little brother. My running theories are that either his attention span is too ruined to sit through a game without some personality riffing over it or that he doesn't even really like videogame and just wants to be liked by the crowd that does.

Yeah this. Yea Forums sucks, but Yea Forums is hell.

>5 hours
Way too long, just like Persona 5. Youtubers really need to learn to edit and be concise

fpbp and while that doesn’t change the fact that P5 is style over substance, you still shouldn’t need some fucking nobody to prove a point for you, it’s pathetic.

t. didn't play BOTW

Good, that means I haven't been corrupted by group think. It was my impression of the game back in 09 when I played it and before I ever started to discussing vidya online. The level of intrigue for P4 doesn't last long besides the first few hours and it flatlines for most of the game until you do the video game dungeon.

I love how you whiny little bitchbabies have become so triggered by the mere IDEA of your MC being able to romance a couple of girls that you shit yourselves into retard rages about "waifu simulators" and act like it's 99% of the game. What is it about the concept that upsets you so much? Can't be because you're sad and lonely irl, because you've all declared nonstop how much you hate women.

you're right user. ignore the seething zoom zooms

You're out of your god damn mind if you think I'm sitting through 5 fucking hours of some sperg trying to tell me what to think.

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fpbp as always

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I like persona 3,4 and 5.

Thoughts?

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>an hour and 8 minutes

no

user...

user, that's one minute and eight seconds...

P5fags are quickly becoming one of the worse fanbases on this board. Is it because of Smashfags finding out about it or falseflagging consolewar bullshit?

nu-Personafags have always been absolutely awful

yeah...hum...just a big No

>famistsu
>not giving 40/40 a every JRPG

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>famitsu
>not giving a 40/40 to whoever pays for it
Damn... I guess Skyrim is Japan's favourite game too...

>JRPG

he's right but fuck off with this shit on Yea Forums
FPBP

>Personafags have always been absolutely awful
ftfy

Did he make the video 5 hours long just because it was Persona 5? Either way that is way too fucking long to talk about a fucking video game.

They don't give 40/40 to every JRPG. Look at the games which have 40/40. The way to getting that score on Famitsu is through paid reviews. Just like everywhere else.

Style is substance.
Either way.
FPBP as always.

there are no unironic P1/2fags outside of Japan

>p5
smtfags*
most personafags do not leave their waifu threads

imagine unironically being this fucking autistic to make a 5 hour video on why you think Persona 5 is a bad game

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>Style is substance

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personafags are console war shitposters which is infinitely worse

P5 fags havent even achieved 1/10th of the autism that P3/4 fags did

>Style is substance

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>video "essays" about a video game
is there anything more cringe then this?

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>literally five fucking hours

I thought OP's image was shopped, but then I actually looked up the YouTube channel and by god it actually is a five hour video. Do video essayists not understand the concept of "brevity"?

smtfags do the same thing

THANK YOU! I fucking hate these zoomers on Yea Forums who post e celeb shit instead of forming their own opinion.

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Thoughts?

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Nice non.argument

your post

when

>6k views
Stop shilling your shit OP.

I watched a 3+ hour video about the NWN series twice.

Autism

What is with video essay titles man? It’s always vague shit like this or The Hidden Genius of FarmVille, whatever crap. And fuck man, if you’re breaking the one hour mark just call it what it is, call it an analysis or at the very least a review. I’m not going to wait 5 hours for you to get to your thesis on the topic at hand which is what all these vague ass titles convey to me.

OP was just fucking obliterated and humiliated by an user that didn't use any memes, meme words or phrases or flavor of the month shitposts.

Been a while since I've seen such an honest post. Thank you for that.

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>over 4 hours
Thoughts on me telling OP to fuck off with this gay shit?

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this artstyle reminds me of bokurano

It's not just my least favourite Persona it's my least favourite SMT period. Great setting ruined by almost everything else.

>4 hour video essay
Jesus christ "people" who do this need to be fucking exterminated

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>OP throws out an opinion on a game, showing a video of it, meaning that there are multiple people that think about this
>people dogpile on him because they think he's concerned about what's in the video
Fuck me, what a bunch of shit hole posters

Do we really need a five hour video telling us that a weeb movie game is style over substance?

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>go to college
>see that you have to go to class every day for months to learn what's taught in that class
>WTF DON'T THESE PEOPEL KNOW WHAT BREVITY IS FUCKING RETARDS OMG STOP WASTING MY PRECIOUS SHITPOSTING TIME

He's right.

this guys voice is real familiar. is he famous?

Yes.

You don't. All the complaints are things that Yea Forums has already discussed to death. The disconnect between character development in the confidants and main story, every villain after Kamoshida is worse than the last, Akechi being a BBC Sherlock style "genius" where he's only smart because everyone else is retarded, etc.

It's a jrpg so yes

Yeah I'm think he's based.

I watched about 30min of it and from what I've seen it's mostly nitpicking about obvious stuff like bad translation, stealth being crap and unbalanced combat
I've yet to see someone explaining in clear terms why Persona 5 is a "bad game" and should be "hated"

Yeah I'm thinking FP is BP

None, except I think it's high time this thread was deleted

mad as fuck that you have nothing of note to say lmao.

Man, Yea Forums watches youtube videos like they play their videogames.

god damn user stop he is but a child

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>tfw we're getting Futaba's AoA animation next game, along with combo attacks making a return with updates

Here's hoping that we get the full party before the last 3 dungeons, so we can actually use Haruka.

>Yea Forums spends a minimal 12 hours a day pushing out no-effort shitposting
>OMG A FIVE HOUR VIDEO REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
ITS NOT LIKE YOUTUBE HAS A WATCH LATER FEATURE THAT YOU CAN STOP AND START ANY TIME TO WATCH IN INCRIMENTES!!!

Kill yourself, Cvit.

This.

Criticism can be entertaining, but these fucks take it way too seriously.

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Seriously. Fuck these shitty OPs.

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wait for R or buy vanilla 5?
help me out Yea Forums

Who are you quoting?

The problem is watching shitty e-celebs in the first place, the length of the video is just the cherry on top of the "shit taste" cake

Absolutely fucking based. Sick of these fucking shitty threads.

The real reason is that P5babs cannot take any criticism whatsoever. It’s ironic because they’ll usually claim P5 is good because even those that usually dislike JRPGs like it, citing other ecelebs and normalfag awards, but now e celebs generating opinions and discussion are suddenly a bad thing...

buy a 3ds for 40 bucks, hack it and play Devil Survivor 2 instead

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Wait for R. 5 is great, and it'll make you want R, then you'd spend for both.

>loosing your pants
>ever

i'd just wait at this point. Playing vanilla will probably leave you burnt out for R (its a really long game by today's standards), and R is looking like it's pure improvements across the board, barring whatever big shit happens with Kasumi

No reason to get vanilla P5. Just wait for P5R.

The art of those games and the characters are fucking boring and ugly

99% of people who say they dislike P5 are either contrarians (just like the video in OP) or P3/P4 nostalgiafags who are buttblasted that P5 blew up in popularity
P5 has plenty of flaws just like any game, but I don't see how it could be considered a "bad game"

>weebs constantly shitpostsing about ecelebs like Joseph Anderson while switching into passive agressive mode when a their game gets criticised.
lmao

Random Youtube Video: Clickbait Over Thoughtfulness

I'd rather read actual writing with editing than consume someone's rambling, self-satisfied wank session.

>stealth being crap
I havent seen the vid, but I liked the stealth personally. It was super basic and easy definitely (and the security level thing was a worthless mechanic) but as a means to make traversing the environment funner, I dug it

thats why I recommended he not play Persona

>I'd rather read actual writing with editing than consume someone's rambling, self-satisfied wank session.
How come you enjoy Persona 5 then?

>TFW just finished the whole thing

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I don't like replaying the game, but this is fucking pathetic, shill the goddamn video elsewhere jackass.

I'm sick of these stupid assholes that just sit an unedited clip of stock game intro footage at the start of their video with the most iconic theme of the game/series. I KNOW WHAT VIDEO I AM WATCHING SO I DON'T NEED THIS PADDING BULLSHIT THAT ADDS NO VALUE TO YOUR VIDEO

Case in point. I actually like P5, but its fans are deluded on another level.

Was it worth it? Any bits of insight? Or is just long drivel of pointing the obvious for 3 hours?

The kind of people that like a 120 hour game yet can't be bothered with a 4 hour video.

Not that user but I've played the game and seen its flaws for myself so I don't need to sit and hear someone talk about why it's not as deep as various other JRPGs or however this particular faggot frames his argument.

Persona 5 was fine, certainly orders of magnitude more entertaining than the video OP is shilling.

P5 fags can take criticism just fine because they get all the time.

P4 fags on the other hand will fucking riot if you try and downplay their game. They literally cannot grasp how someone can like 5 more than 4

This

This reminds me of when some dipshit made a video jerking off Golden Sun, threads about the game linked his video for months and posters talked about just how right he was, and then he put out a video criticizing Lost Age for not fixing GS1's myriad problems and everyone suddenly stopped linking his first video or talking about him.

You fucks act like you care about having your own opinion only when a video essay goes against your already held opinions. You wouldn't have said this if they were praising P5.

P4 and P5 are pretty much the same game, I dont get the contention between them

But no one on Yea Forums plays vidya, though....

>P4 fags on the other hand will fucking riot if you try and downplay their game. They literally cannot grasp how someone can like 5 more than 4
p3fags are even worse. they're legitimately delusional enough to defend tartarus and the ai combat system.

What I liked about the stealth in P5 is that it fixed the bullshit that was getting ambushes in 3 and 4. I could not stand in the other 2 games, waiting for a blob to turn around so I can mash attack before they turn around, it never needed to be that clunky and it just made the bad dungeons even more annoying.

He does make some good points, but it doesn't really bring anything new to light that anyone who has already played the game isn't going to know. A lot of it is just covering a lot of nonsensical/contrived aspects of the narratives in the game.

playing persona 5 is fun. watching a wannabe e-celeb whine about persona 5 for four hours is not.

BOTW really does just live rent free in your head doesn't it? it's a 9/10 game on it's own but the fact it makes people like you seethe so hard bumps it up to 10/10 tier. cope.

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Not just that, if you hurt their feefees and ask them to discuss something, they just shitpost at you because they have fragile egos.
Actually talking about video games on Yea Forums is hard.

DAMN THE OP IS GOING TO BE A SCHOOL SHOOTER OVER THIS!

haven't played P5 but I did all the other 4 games. Is it true it has SJW elements?

It does have good style at least.

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>P5 fags can take criticism just fine because they get all the time.
>P4 fags on the other hand will fucking riot if you try and downplay their game. They literally cannot grasp how someone can like 5 more than 4
Then how will you feel when I say both games are bad but P5 is worse? All of its actual improvements are purely visual. The stuff they tried to "fix" makes game balance even more lopsided and leads to glaring weaknesses being more visible than ever.

This isn't actually talking about videogames, OP didn't do anything other than shill some video. If he wanted to talk about P5 he could have listed some of the points at the very least but it was practically just marketing.

Just take a quick look at the youtube comments section. P3 and P4 fags are only vocal on Yea Forums, and P4 stopped being the "in" thing years ago. And to be fair, at least they could accept their game as the weeb highschool fantasy it was instead of treating it as some "above those other cringey JRPGs" experience that P5 is held as for some reason.

Fucking this, OP was a faggot for not only giving a screenshot from some literal who, but he didn't even bother summarizing what he liked about it or what points the e-celeb made. It honestly surprises me there isn't a rule stating screenshots of literal who redditors, youtubers, or twitters users are to be deleted on sight.

Best post on this entire site in years. Have a BASED.

Yes.

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It doesn't. People say that Sae's comment is ''''SJW''' because japanese people are still intrinsically a misogynist culture that doesn't respect women and thus a woman moving up in the workplace is indeed realistically difficult. Unlike in the west where SJWisms are UNREALISTIC because women are favored for positions over men due to affirmative action/quotas and laws protecting their wages, effectively eliminating the 'glass ceiling'.

I'd usually agree but P5 does have an essay's worth of issues. It's visual novel focused, with broken mechanics, 40 hours of cutscenes and had the good idea of ripping off Death Note in 2017.

And the UI in general is so much better than the previous games.
Not just graphically, the way the baton pass, one button weakness, and other moves work makes the combat feel more immediate with less combing through menus.

BASED

>Just take a quick look at the youtube comments section
Why would I do that? I'm posting on Yea Forums, why do I care about other communities? Do I have to research the reddit position next?

And all of that took 2 seconds to write. Nor was it news to me.

Good fucking post, these types of threads are Literally just advertisements.

May as well just wait at this point, buying base P5 is a waste when you could just get the improved version

all persona games are generic anime trash

He cute

FPBP and /thread

>alternative facts
So you're retarded and can't even attribute it to the correct fucking jackass? That's a Kellyanne Conway truism you fucking moron. God I hate this damn board and the fucking festering morons that wallow in it. XV is bad, but goddamn you pick the dumbest shit to whine about.

To be fair to OP, that would not get any replies.
Because Yea Forums is infested with phoneposters and/or ADHD children, threads that are more than a couple sentences long typically get ignored. The one exception is bait, especially the console war or identity politics variety.

You know the fundamentals of such an ideology can be applied to Yea Forums too, right? And I mean especially on Yea Forums.

>t. ResetEra

this post is too good for this shithole

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But it still deserves an essay about it being a very late unintentional Death Note parody.

I think what they both share is a huge bias to the high moments of 3 and 4 being really good but forgetting just how lackluster the middle and beginning parts of those two games are. 3 definitely has it worse because not only is there like a 30 hour lull in the first act where nothing interesting happens between unlocking tartarus floors and getting party members, it builds up to strega which was very lackluster.

5 has similar pitfalls but the lulls are carried by the fun combat system and the aesthetics whereas like 3 and 4,the boring parts have nothing to carry it so you just have to truck through it.

It's all up to what you can tolerate in games and where your priorities lie but it's very easy to understand why someone can say 5 is the best game

I'd say that I can understand why you would feel that way since the ways to completely dominate battles in 5 can have a negative effect on you. However I would just personally disagree since I find the ways to make combat and resource management easier on the hard difficulty in 5 gives me a more enjoyable video game experience than the stuff you have to go through to make the game work for you in 4

>japanese people are still intrinsically a misogynist culture that doesn't respect women

lol

You deserve a noose for brainlessly shilling this video, but deserve is a subjective assessment so I'll just say if you think it did then I'm glad that this was made to confirm your pre-existing thoughts on the game, which I'm sure you played to completion before watching this.

God fucking damn. We need more anons like you.

>4 hour video leading you to put it on your second monitor and not pay too much attention
>he keeps flashing text for a literal second
fucking stop it, even if I was paying attention I'd have to pause for this shit

first post, best post, based post. maybe form your own opinions and stop parroting e-celeb trash.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHY A VIDEOGAME IS BAD AND NOT HAVE YOU SHOVE LAZY POLITICAL DRAMA INTO IT YOU LAZY FUCKING SHIT. XV HAS MORE PROBLEMS THAN A FUCKING FEMALE LEADER FOR A CITY-STATE THAT HAPPENS TO LOOK LIKE A YOUNGER HILLARY CLINTON SO WHY ARE YOU FOCUSING ON THE LEAST ANNOYING THINGS AND NOT BITCHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT TABATA LIED TO EVERYONE ABOUT PARTY MEMBER SWITCHING WOULDN'T HAPPEN, THEN THEY PATCH IT IN ANY FUCKING WAY?!

This board is filled with little kids who are too braindead to form opinions. Everything they believe and do is through the actions of other people. It's why video essays and twitch is so popular and why zoomers were a mistake

I appreciate that you can take an actual negative opinion instead of whining at it like a lot of fans.
I think the overall writing in 5, and especially the Confidants, are weaker, so I can't really justify the rest.

It had soul, but still can't compete with P3's maximum soul.

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Why do SMT fans seem to hate Persona? Persona helps to fund Atlus so they can keep making other Megaten games, including SMT games. Like, so what, Atlus makes a separate branch for casualized SMT so they can make money while they also make the mainline and other spinoffs? They're separate teams anyways.

P5 is max soul.

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B-B-B-BASED

not really. in fact, the ending is pretty critical of the whole sjw shtick.

I don't mind persona as long as it keeps atlus in business but personafags are annoying

They blame Persona for SMT selling like shit

SMT sells well, though.

glad I can close this thread

Same reason why BW fans hate SC2. Persona just panders to weebs.

SMT gets decent sales for what it is and has been on an upward trend.

That doesn't really make sense though. If anything it would raise awareness by being in the same franchise. People might see "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 4" and look for other games with that title.

Substance makes people play the game more than once but style makes people play once. Substance means they care about the game but style is mostly a marketing thing. If the best thing about a game is the art style then you know it is going to be bad.
nice

part of it is simply being desperate for attention, and starting pointless arguments is an easy way to get attention. this is also why when there's no "personafags" around, smt discussion tends to devolve into nocturne vs. the rest of the series.
another part of it is that mainline-only fags are too retarded to understand that persona and smt aren't made by the same team. p-studio has no control over smtv's development process. seeing as how a lot of mainline-only fags are nintendofags nowadays, they'd also rather blame persona than admit that nintendo's shitty toy tablet hardware is probably holding back smtv.

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Because they're casualising mainline anyway and Atlus is quickly become EA/Nintendo tier when it comes to dead IPs while they keep shilling Persona 5. Not even Persona in general, just 5.

If it's any consolidation, I do only rate P5 as my favorite because of the consistent enjoyment I got from the QOL on battles and dungeons along with its presentation. In other areas I do concede the strength of the other two games over it like I think the overall plot of 4 is more engaging, which ties in to character strength in the overall plot as well. The way the game is written gives more involvement of the main cast to what's going on in the story.

Characters themselves in a snapshot scenario is a little different for me though. Like the overall adventures and interactions of the P5 cast are a lot better for me than the others because I find them more personable and more expressive

Nice

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I really hate how this site's culture pretty much became "good thing BAD" for the sake of shitposting alone. It's like we're so deep in an irony loop hellhole we can't even genuinely enjoy things despite them not being perfect.

>Not even Persona in general, just 5.
why do people keep repeating this myth? p4 just got nearly a decade of shilling, and how soon people forget how hard they complained about that. p3 got multiple stage plays, multiple mobile spinoffs, tons of novels and cd dramas, AND it's been shoved into most of 4 and 5's spinoffs too. it's only 1 and 2 that get neglected by atlus.

I genuinely enjoyed some mainstream anime like the first season of Attack on Titan and found Persona 5 to be fucking terrible on most levels.

how do you spend 5 hours talking about a video game?
are they breaking down scene for scene?

>every other retard upvoting this with based and redpilled clearly isn't saging

Good post

Probably. People can talk a long time about this kind of stuff.

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are they actually autistic
their english teachers are rolling in their graves

He focuses mainly on the story and characters and spending like 7 minutes per hour of cutscenes doesn't seem like that much.

>hurr have your own thoughts
>thread derails into single thought hiveminds
fuck jej

ironically this video is nearly an hour, but its length is actually relevant
youtube.com/watch?v=GjCEaE5kvb4

ESL here, what's wrong with the english in the description?

Is this your first day on Yea Forums? This shit happens all the time here.

Op btfo. I wish Yea Forums actually could have some fucking discussion

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Nothing wrong with the english. I think it's more of teachers teaching their students to be precise in their analyses rather than having it go for a long time.

It's not like you can't dislike popular things genuinely, the problem is with the 'genuinely' part. Threads made to shit on things in most boards are clearly disingenuous and made to bait people, not for the sake of actual conversation regarding the game's faults and what could have been done better. It's why you rarely see properly constructed arguments about flaws and pertinent comparisons it always just shallow absolutist shit the likes of "the graphics were shit, gameplay was bad, characters sucked!", and it never goes beyond that.
And that's noteven the worst part, the worstpart is just how many people will shit on things they never actually tried out, simply to fish for attention while emulating arguments from some e-celeb or another poster. It gets really obvious when you see legions of people parroting one same complaint on end but none can ever elaborate on why it's a problem.

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Because while P4 was getting shilled to hell and back Atlus was still giving us content outside of Persona. We still got SMT spinoffs and other IPs. Since P5 Atlus has been almost completely radio silent on everything not Persona while pushing 5 so hard you'd think the base game outsold pokemon or something.

Grammar is fine, but any writing class will teach you to leave out redundancies and properly summarize your work.

500-word essays sounds like a lot to most people, but then you have people unable to keep things short

As they say, brevity is the soul of wit.

People need to stop treating video game and cartoons criticism like its an intellectual exercise. You aren't making yourself sound smart by calling something a "subversive masterpiece", or using the phrase "A case study" in your titles, and you certainly aren't smart thinking that a video game is worth 5 hours of drawn-out criticism.

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Joseph Anderson's incredibly autistic Odyssey video was only 2 hours, and he actually did shit like catalog every single moon and the precise time wasted on filler content.

They make a bullet point they want to talk about and then go through examples about why they think the scene was bad. The problem is they spend 30 minutes reiterating the same point with different examples without actually moving on when people have gotten the point 20 minutes ago

Persona 5 was a big disappointment for me.
- party members repeats the same shit over and over
- main theme of "changing people hearts" is quite gay
- police was so retarded that didn't know who Phantom Thieves were even thought all their victims were basically related to main cast going to same fucking classroom or hang out everywhere
- lacks some of the dark atmosphere of previous games
- side activities are not so fun as in Persona 4

It's strange because I loved Persona 4 when it came out, maybe it wasn't just good as I remember and I'm just too old for weeb story games.

Can't handle the truth?

>style over substance

I mean, when you're oozing with style like P5 it's really easy to imagine how it'd overshadow every other aspect of the game.

The story IS extremely lacking though and it's by far the weakest part of P5.

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Discussion? You persona fucktard only ever discuss about which anime character that you wanted to fuck. Fucking incels. Have sex you gamer faggots.

I was one of those people that used to shit on P4 but P5 made me appreciate it a lot more.

I couldn't like Persona 5 because it felt like just Persona 4 again, the way the pacing was basically carbon copied killed my motivation to play past summer.

He cute

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For me that makes it worse, because all that "style" just makes it feel like it’s way too far up its own ass despite being pretty shallow underneath all the shine and sparkle.

>He focuses mainly on the story and characters and spending like 7 minutes per hour of cutscenes doesn't seem like that much.
does he "summarize" each arc of the side character and their scenes?
Are these videos actually for people who will never play the video game?

No one is going to put that much effort for an autistic e-celeb you fucking shill

and when p6 comes out, you'll suddenly appreciate p5 because OLD GOOD NEW BAD.

SJ doesn’t count as real SMT since it was made by the EO team.

Anything more than 30 mins reviewing a video game is definitely nitpicking bullshit. The only thing these hour+ videos have going for them is being white noise while you're doing something else. Let's Plays can be good for this, but where these video essays are better than LPs is that there is constant talking / stream of info, whereas LPs have a lot of dead air.

>The story IS extremely lacking though and it's by far the weakest part of P5.
It's a good thing the game isn't 80+ hours of story

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For long ass games like P5 you’d need at least an hour if you wanna go in-depth.

nice.

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you could just listen to an audiobook instead
all the classics are public domain and are thus free. T

I personally recommend a Picture of Dorian Gray. Its only 6 hours and you'll actually get something out of it by the end
librivox.org/the-picture-of-dorian-gray-by-oscar-wilde/

>Once Makoto shows up, she pretty much becomes the leader of the group and messes up the dynamic of the Phantom Thieves previously established.
Was he right?

>Game Title: Snappy Opinionated Subtitle
Just from the title you can already understand what kind of person this youtuber is. They think the quality of a review is based on how definitive of a statement they can make, so they simplify their conclusion to the shortest possible length and make it into a clickbaity video title.This reviewer is likely to spend the whole video trying to justify this conclusion instead of coming to one naturally after writing the rest of their review the way a professional critic would (or should). Calling Persona 5 "style over substance" is a clear sign that this person is a pseudointellectual who wants to sound smart. It's a very "Joseph Anderson" title. The video length isn't necessarily an issue -- people like Matthewmatosis who have a lot to say can spend hours giving meaningful critiques -- but the simplicity of the title ironically indicates that the video itself will be lacking in substance.

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>Because while P4 was getting shilled to hell and back Atlus was still giving us content outside of Persona.
p-studio has absolutely no control over that.
>We still got SMT spinoffs and other IPs.
and since p5 came out, atlus has released radiant historia: perfect chronology, etrian mystery dungeon 2, strange journey redux, dragon's crown pro, etrian odyssey nexus, and catherine: full body - with 13 sentinels coming this year and smtv and project re fantasy in development.

Too bad most of her social link was garbage.

Not really, if something's actually an issue then it'll be an issue for the entire game. Bitching about something that only happens in one specific part of a 120+ hour game is nitpicking.

This. I don't know how the fuck does anyone can consume the dialogue in this game. Ironic weebs maybe? P5 is even worse than your average B rated anime. Not to mention you're fucking forced to play make believe school sim, before going into actual gameplay. I don't know how the fuck does this shit got that high of a rating. I've noticed that Japanase games always gets a lot of leeway from both fans and critics. And when giving criticism, critics always have to tip toe around it, but still gave it a high score for no reason to not piss the fan off. Or they just not say anything about it. Fuck weebs.

Haha get fucked OP.

Oh boy its one of those long essay people who think they are right about video games because they spend 3 or 4 hours discussing game theory very loosely.

Spends like 5 minutes on each Confidant and maybe 10 to 15 minutes on each Palace discussing what works and what doesn't, not necessarily limited to just story. Would you complain about a 5 minute video on Portal?

While it isn't free, I recommend this alien pornography read by Shulk from Xenoblade Chronicles: amazon.com/Wicked-Beloved/dp/B009F12GAC

Yes. And it's fucking weird that somehow she needs to have the MC's view and permission (that won't affect anything if the MC disagree with her since everything is already set in stone and is linear)

This.

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>Not to mention you're fucking forced to play make believe school sim, before going into actual gameplay
You literally get multiple gameplay segments including three boss fights and having a full team join your group before you're even allowed to do the life sim stuff, stop making it obvious you never actually played the game.

It's even worse when you consider that is what took them like half a decade to write. I give the director a pass for Catherine's gameplay, and that game actually has style.

Why does he need to spend that much time on each confidant
how much of that time is just summarizing what happened?
Is he so thoughtful he actually has somewhat of an understanding of why visuals and music were used in each scene? Are his criticism of why assets used even legitimate? Who the fuck is this guy even?

Is it really so important for him to summarize each character's arc instead of generalizing on how each arc contributes to the overall theme of the story?

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Everyone reacting to this is Reddit

Put me in the screen cap

Persona 5 deserves a youtube video that's way too long for its own good

>really easy to imagine how it'd overshadow every other aspect of the game.
>The story IS extremely lacking though
Doesn't that make the original point true then? The style is good, but the purpose it serves is really just being super stylish. It is in service of a mediocre story, with the justifications for the style being kinda tenuous. Like they are meant to be thieves, and that comes with kind of an image of being rebellious and stylish. Though it all being so naturally cool maybe doesn't gel with the more down to earth human side to characters and actions the game wants to have.

Not that most games even try to tie in all their elements well mind you, but whenever I dwell on an element of P5 it seems under cooked. It is easier to let pass when a game doesn't put a lot on the table, cause then connecting the dots between each element. P5 always feels like it has a lot of potential, creates the image it is doing a lot more and ultimately delivers and adequate enough experience that barely tries to stretch its legs.

Based counter-image poster.

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Not really

He probably doesn't think he's hot shit, it's just everyone that stuff applies to is cold shit.

>muh zoomers
kill yourself you stupid old fart

What if I liked Nocturne the best but 4 and 4A soured my expectations of SMT and I like 3, 4 and 5 better than them?

why did this get so many replies

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Based and Sheenpilled

Why don't you click on a timestamp and look at one yourself? Spending 5 minute analyzing 50 minutes worth of side content isn't all that much.

Wowee, a bunch of remasters and shovelware, you sure showed me.
>P-studio has no control over that
Yes, because Atlus totally has unlimited staff that isn't highly concentrated into P-Studio to accomodate for all the Persona shit being made

Zoomers getting mad at this post is really telling on how spot on it is

That’s unsurprising since Nocturnebabbies are usually almost as cancerous as Personafags.

HOLY SHIT BASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSED

t. post-election newfag

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This is the most based post on Yea Forums right now

user btfo that shill

>Why does he need to spend that much time on each confidant
>how much of that time is just summarizing what happened?
You have to understand that video essayists know people use their videos as booklets/guidelines to help them talk about a game they haven't played. People will watch this video because they heard a lot of things about the game, don't want to play it, but want confirmation on things that they heard.

So they summarize these things to make sure the ignorant viewers have an idea about what he's about to criticize

I think it's pretty amazing you were able to blow him the fuck out with such simple wording.

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Just started the video but I can't watch the rest until later

So has he actually played P1 and 2 or is he a bab who didn't put in the legwork before making this video?

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I find it hard to value your opinion when you use "nocturnebaby" like there's a better SMT game.
If there is, please recommend it.

>Wowee, a bunch of remasters and shovelware, you sure showed me.
>d-doesn't count because i don't like it!
you do realize that atlus also put out a shitload of rereleases in the first couple years after p4 came out, right? they even rereleased nocturne and p3 AGAIN.

Just as the meme says: FPBP

>474429525
No (YOU) for you faggot. RPGS are meant to be long and cutscenes only enhance it. More importantly the video in question is mostly gameplay. Not of the battles granted, but of the social links and story. The actual cutscenes barely make up an hour of the game. Why INFACT. All the cutscenes in the game are skippable. AS SUCH that invalidates your argument that Persona 5 is a telltale game. A playable movie.

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There are plenty.
Soul Hackers
Strange Journey (DS version)
IV:A

>5 hours of REEE`ing
Who the fuck would ever waste that much time listening to a contrarian screeching for attention?

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Hellnight

Fuck off, there is actually discussion going on in this thread if you haven't noticed. Sorry it's not about animu waifus for once.

>All boring, first-person turn based games.
So the appeal of SMT is... what? If the battles are excruciatingly boring and the plots are as cut and dry as 4 And 4A, and the characters are just basic "law guy, chaos guy, neutral guy" what's left?
Why the fuck do you faggots act so high and mighty?

Yea Forums shitposters actually watch this crap to get their talking points without having to play the games.

This. It happens all the time.

Saw a little bit of it
>calls makoto out for being pushed as the smart one and taking away from other characters
Instantly liked

>t.assblasted op

Why do you think this is exclusive to zoomers when most of this site acts in this way?

yeah if you're a neat I guess

but i'll give a try
I choose Yoshida
>literally does an entire summary of EVERY 10 of his ranks
>wastes time talking about WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPEN BUT DIDN'T
>ends with talking about how it shows what good the phantom thieves can do and wants to say what a cleverly written this is because you don't do whats typically expected in the game, and the only thing you really do to help Yoshida is assure him that good people exist

So he loves Yoshida's confidant so much because you aren't given a cartoony adult that doesn't really have you do anything. He loves that this shows what good the phantom thieves can do in the real world by having one of the most passive confidant in the game

This guy really doesn't know what he's talking about. Whats clear is that he doesn't understand the premise of the game

This is just pseudo-intellectual wank
If he's so smart how come he spent 5 hours talking about a video game

What he shows is that he doesn't even listen to his own summarizations, making them be obvious on how irrelevant they actually are to his criticisms

>provided i skip the opening and ending animations
do people actually watch these more than once?

If they're really good I will but usually they're not so I skip them.

If they're really good then yeah, sometimes.

Ive played through P1 like six times, i certainly like the game you fucking ironic weeb.

You're literally proving my point.
It took them 5 years to write that? And even then for them to shoehorn a "fight god" right at the end, without even leaving any breadcrumb along the story outside of Morgana doubting that he (obviously) is not a regular demon?

Then you just have shit taste user.

Based.

When the first post is actually, un-ironically the best post.

>5 hours

why do people make this shit?

pseudo-intellectual wank

this

Yeah he does this to give you an example of a Confidant that has reveals something relevant about the character in almost every rank and doesn't need to follow the Mementos template to come to its conclusion. He has Iwai as another positive example where the Mementos mission is actually justified.

>This guy really doesn't know what he's talking about. Whats clear is that he doesn't understand the premise of the game
Good thing he gave you his understanding of the events of each Confidant so you should be able to actually counter any of his points or point out anything he didn't understand or get wrong. Because you're so smart it shouldn't take you even a minute.

>It took them 5 years to write that?
It's written and directed by Katsura Hashino who is very hit and miss. Catherine was a good game so I had at least decent expectations for P5 and got a half assed broken hackjob.

>Because you're so smart it shouldn't take you even a minute.
you're right
because he doesn't deserve my time
he's already shown he's an idiot

He uses summarization to pad out his videoes, not to support his point

He could have easily summarized Yoshida being good as "its not like the other confidants, so its refreshing and different"

He could have, but he's under the impression good criticism is long "objective" criticism that reacts to every detail, as if media in question is meant to be consumed in such a way.

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Videos like this often degrade in to rambling nitpicking, assuming it doesn't start with rambling nitpicking. Very few people on Youtube can talk about a thing they don't like for that long without descending in to vapid complaints like "In this one scene he's wearing a mask, but in the next he's not! PLOT HOLE!"

Not video games.

Fuck of back to

wherever you came from.

omg yes so based have another upvote i mean (you), only thoughtful discussion should ever happen on a Yea Forums forum

Because he's right. This is a lazy way to start a thread, not accounting for the fact that no one is going to watch a 4 hour video by some literal who just so they could argue until the thread hits the archive 30 minutes later.
Based

Here's your precious SMT thread.

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>450+ posts in
>No on has been able to refute the video

>its not like the other confidants, so its refreshing and different
It's too much like the other confidants and it's bad.

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>What he shows is that he doesn't even listen to his own summarizations, making them be obvious on how irrelevant they actually are to his criticisms
>quoted post only summarizes the video without making any point why it is bad to make the point "guy dumb"

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i did, it doesn't justify its length.
it summarizes for sake of padding
it thinks that long dissections of a piece of media is really a criticism of it
and he's a literally who with only as much knowledge as other people who play the game, and clearly much less than people who play a lot of games
He brings no counterpoints, has in insightful views or understands and instead thinks being overly cynical gives him ground to stand on.

its just a pseudo-intellectual wank of a video game, how pathetic

this is just cinemasins, except he doesn't like editing

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>average SMT thread talks about the games
Wow, sure showed us. Stop screencapping your own posts fag.

Nobody wants to watch a 5 hour video.

What did you expect from showing someone trying to criticize a game with a massive cult of personality surrounding it? P5fags will almost never actually be able to argue in good faith because P5 has been built up as such in their eyes.

How are you any different? This guy went out into the world and made content. You're on Yea Forums. You aren't smart.

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He's right.

Behold! The Mauler technique!
Make your video so long and so full of nitpicks about minute details that no one will bother even watching your video, much less addressing the multitude of "points" you make!

because its easier to say fpbp then listen to any criticism. Persona 5 was a virtual novel with a battle mini-game on the side. It took the cutscenes and dating way too far, and everything else suffered as a result. It was still worth playing but it didn't deserve all the praise it did.

>Yea Forums
>doing anything active
nigga we don't even play videogames

Those aren’t the reasons why it is bad though. There are plenty of good VNs.

>videogames
Eww those are for fucking dweebs.

Refute what ? The points he maks in his video are stuff that Yea Forums has been discussing for months

You just said some random words. You didn't define your statement. You're the one without an argument.

>>quoted post only summarizes the video without making any point why it is bad to make the point "guy dumb"
seeand yeah he is, why should i need anything more to say. saying he's dumb easily summarizes him with brevity and wti

>Doesn't that make the original point true then?

I never said I disagreed with the main point, I just thought it was obvious to anyone who played past Kamoshida.

I agree with everything you said though, except I greatly enjoyed the game for what it is. Even if they squandered a lot of the game's potential, the presentation and the gameplay loop are just THAT good imo. The story could've been better, we know for a fact they could've done better (see P2 through 4) and that's the truly disappointing fact about all of this.

My hope is that it was a time/budget issue with the development and maybe Royal will end up being the definitive version of the game. Won't hold my breath though.

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u dumb though.

>Style is substance
That argument only works with heavy auteur directed games like Flower Sun and Rain or some shit.

i didn't spend 5 hours making a video on persona

>it summarizes for sake of padding
>it thinks that long dissections of a piece of media is really a criticism of it
Wrong
>and he's a literally who with only as much knowledge as other people who play the game, and clearly much less than people who play a lot of games
Why should we listen to your criticism of his criticism?
>He brings no counterpoints, has in insightful views or understands
He does.
>instead thinks being overly cynical gives him ground to stand on.
He doesn't.

who?

Based.

Instead you're posting on Yea Forums. At least this guy is getting some ad revenue for his video form shitposts.

>time/budget issue with the development
If you look into the development they had a shit ton of time and staff for a JRPG

>well at least he makes money!!!
he could make more if he properly invested his savings like me

>Why should we listen to your criticism of his criticism?
because i'm not making a 5 hour video
>he, he!
doesn't matter, he hasn't justified his video, he hasn't earned my time

this is your fault Yea Forums
now they think this is their home here
you lose to zommers and other discord/twitch kids

He does. He's also smart enough to make money by being a contrarian while you do it for free.

Yep, based

>t. zoomer

you don't understand shit about investment
he's wasted his time on making a video where his focus can be better put towards actually making money
i shitpost here but on my break

all things considered
if he wanted to make money off his vidoes, he can do a lot better to suck up to the lowest common denominator

>because i'm not making a 5 hour video
That's for the better. Summarizing another video and just adding "its just a pseudo-intellectual wank" at the end would make for a boring video.

Based.

You literally killed OP holy fuck

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/thread

Not sure about the video, but probably. I never see anyone talk about it, whenever threads come up they don't get much traction. No fan art, no talks about the combat. I feel like everything about the game is superficial. Im not a fan of the series so this is really just me looking in from the outside.

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>t. asshurt first poster

>500 replies
>262 posters
Whole lotta samefagging going on

persona 5 sucked balls
the writing loses steam after kamoshida and all the other antagonists suck
the cast aren't as tightknit as previous casts

>Based

Underrated.

Is Neets will. They have no purpose in life.

Reminds of school essays where I would write 10 pages about absolutely nothing.

Post more Hifumi

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He’s mentally fucking ill. I’m not even joking.

Nice cope.

Didn't realize simply opening a video in another tab and then have it on as background music was "that much effort"

you can also listen to the video like an audiobook.