Whiff attack

Are you retarded?

TT2 is one of the least casual games of all time and it was even worse when it comes to whiff into instantly die

>play t3
>pick jim
>miss df1
>get juggled for 3 seconds and lose 70% of my life

Try whiffing against Steve in T5 you mong

How far? I rembmer Tekken 5 and Tag tournament 2 were constant juggling in the air

>oldschool Tekken used to be about strings and reads
>nu-Tekken is about spamming launchers and clown juggles
It's all so tiresome.

this but unironically

You just didn't know how to play back then.

Heat haze shadow part 2 is a banging tune.

It's the future you chose.

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Sega dug their own grave when they refused to put Ryo in VF and let team nonja use the VF characters in DOA.

Probably have to go back to Tekken 3 days with randomized damage and moves that take half of your health because why the fuck not. Tag 1 definitely was about juggling because the most busted characters had overpowered tools to launch you, for example Ogre's waning moon or mid electrics when used with tag button.

Tekken 4 needs a rerelease with online play.

Everyone who complains about juggles doesnt even know what they are talking about and is probably mashing

feel like pure shit just want him back

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T7 is the way it is because sinplifying it would piss off the Koreans keeping the series alive at the arcades. This is also why they don't have the frame data in the game.

We need another game with the same type of elements. I can understand people not liking the nerf to movement but if this game had been as well balanced as 7 we would be looking back thinking why isn't every other game like this shit.

Yeah it fucking sucks. The worst part is the devs don't even seem to think it's a problem, they added fucking wallbounces to make juggles even longer. You have to watch a fucking twelve second breakdance routine where your opponent does all his stupid fucking shit before you're allowed to play the game again.

Bring back Tekken 5.

Don't get hit

Fuck off.

This is what anime players say aswell. Instead of not getting hit, people just don't play. SF has the right balance.

5 is the same shit and DR. Heihachi, Devil Jin and Bryan juggle you and it's near game over. They're not the only ones who can too.

Tekken 4 has much less juggling and is more about poking than the rest.

Also, sidenote, people who complain about Kazumi in this game really need to think about what they're complaining about because she's the total representation of that type of playstyle, heavy on the pokes, less on the juggles, more about fundamentals.

I agree that we need another fighting game like it. I love fighting on uneven surfaces for some reason.

It had a lot going for it. Good tunes, cool outfits, a decent story mode and bonus game...why the fuck didn’t they stick with that style of game?

How much do take per hour for Tekken coaching?

>5 is the same shit and DR. Heihachi, Devil Jin and Bryan juggle you and it's near game over. They're not the only ones who can too.

I don't give a fuck about how high the damage is, I care about having my time wasted with some long as stupid juggle. The reason I liked watching Paul matches so much in T7 is because it was the same damage as everyone else's juggles but it was only two or three hits long, so you got right back to the match.

That’s some weird logic.

I think you're fighting the wrong battle then if the damage is not your issue. Your time is going to be just as wasted if near half your life is fucking gone in one combo. That means two combos and you're done playing.

What's weird about it? I don't want control taken away from me for that fucking long. Make your shit snappy so I can get back to playing the fucking game instead of sitting there with my dick in my hand for god knows how long watching some faggot dial in his endless optimal combo.

Because Harada is an insecure overreactive idiot. This game is now being designed for Koreans so goodbye to any drastic franchise change. T4 is seen as a black sheep even though it did a lot of things right but only needed polish.

T7 is not a bad game. It's in fact extremely satisfying to learn and get good at. But it's a punishing as fuck road from button masher to somewhat decent player. And it's that gap which keeps the Koreans hooked.

Why do the animations from Tekken 1 look the same from Tekken 7?

>I think you're fighting the wrong battle then if the damage is not your issue. Your time is going to be just as wasted if near half your life is fucking gone in one combo. That means two combos and you're done playing.
No, because then we're on to the next round.

I think he's right. When you design a game, the player should be in control of his character for as long as possible.

>wallbounces
>extending combos
>in tekken
wallbounces are combo STARTERS in tekken, it's in GG or UNIST that they're extensors
besides, why are you boomers so fucking afraid of some stylish sequences during matches? are your frail hands unable to link a few consecutive moves like the rest of us?
everytime there is a thread about fighting games on Yea Forums it's just the same song and dance with you pricks wanting to go back to 1 button punishes and 0 creativity

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Then you just get juggled twice again retard.

So you lose an entire round to two combos and then you haven't wasted any time? Your time playing is fully maximized? That makes sense.

It doesn't matter if you're going to die that fast. You won't live long enough to control your character.

Boy, you're not too bright, are you?

play virtua fighter then

Says the person dumb enough to get hit.

>So you lose an entire round to two combos and then you haven't wasted any time? Your time playing is fully maximized? That makes sense.
If I'm actually playing the game then my time isn't being wasted. I'm fucking controlling my character, looking for opportunities, I'm PLAYING. But getting juggled in T7 for legit double digit amounts of seconds, you can legitimately put the fucking controller down to scratch your balls, that's how fucking long some of these dumbass juggles are. You're not playing.

Wow, this guy's never gotten launched in a fighting game! Damn, someone get him a cheevo. Or better yet, find his 'tard wrangler.

What's the matter?
Did it strike a nerve being called out for the casual you are?

No, I just realized I'm talking to a legit dimwit. Since your skull is so thick from slamming refrigerator doors on it there's no way any sense is going to make it through, so I might as well just call you a retard and leave it at that.

See, you went straight to mindless insults and shitflinging after being called out.
If you're this predictable in the game too, no wonder you get destroyed.

If you die in two combos, the total amount of time you are able to play is lessened. How does that not make sense to you? Sure, you can control your character more but it doesn't fucking matter if your character is going to be dead soon. You have less life to be able to control them for longer.

Juggles are not even that long. I don't know why some people think it is the longest shit in the world when other games have much longer combos.

Is about the map, Geese stage does that

Because they hurt my fee fees :(

>old tekken

Please give me your technical analysis on the competitive systems, strats and mindset of Tekken predating Tekken 4 OP, id sure love to hear it. I will wait.

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>finally popular
>finally

Tekken is the best selling fighting game franchise in history.

>He's so new he hasn't even transitioned to the stage where he would rather get juggled then stand up into vortex all day
Call me after you have played against Paul for the first time OP.

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He mashed button with his friends, so he knows what he is talking about

Wot? Yes, loads.

And yet nobody cared about it competitively until recently.

>muh juggles
never heard anyone who was good at fighting games complain about combos in my entire life, only casuals who just picked it up and can't deal with getting punished for mistakes

He's right though retard

so be the one doing combos and not the one getting combod lol
>waah im bad
>why do i get punished for whiffing wtf
go play samsho scrub

Have you taken your ADHD meds today?

Soul

>Tekken 5
>The game where Heihachi had a d/f2 extension that was a natural launcher
>The game where Steve had a literal touch of death infinite
>The game where Feng could wallslump you to death after one hit
>BRING BACK T5
Yea, im thinking he is a mouth breather.

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>I made a mistake and shouldn't be punished for it

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so? Facts are facts, Tekken was never unpopular.

Thats why you play Tekken 5:DRO back in 2007

I guess every competitive player who complained about TTT2s combo damage is a casual then.

>complaining about damage is the same thing as complaining about juggles existing
guess you're a fucking retard then

its the smash babies that cant handle it.
fighting games are just not the same as arcadey platform brawlers.

You obviously weren't around for "old" tekken if this is new to you

>recently

I have zero fucking idea what I'm talking about but I am very absolute in my opinions: the thread

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T3
Mash 3 and 4 with eddy while moving the stick. YOU WIN.

Did Asuka even had any kind of interaction with Mishimas except for Jin? It’s a pity they ruined her so much, they made her another comic relief character and paired with that blonde retard, ugh.

Some of the character relationships are stupid.

Xiayou was all about jin but now it’s just the adventures of ling and panda.

Someone please teach me how to play Steve, seems like I'm a fucking brainlet

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NONONO DELETE THIS OLD TEKKENS WERE HONEST FOOTSIES ALL ROUND LONG

>whiff attack
>get executed IRL
Thats how it should be you flailing munc, go back to sf5 where whiff punishes dont exist.

People were complaining about the combo system itself too because it was way too ridiculous. Also, when you say "complaining about combos", you also did not specify what part people complain about it. Both the damage and the complexity of the combos of that game was something a lot of people hated. Don't get butthurt at me just because you have a deficiency in paying attention to details.

>The reason I liked watching Paul matches so much in T7 is because it was the same damage as everyone else's juggles but it was only two or three hits long, so you got right back to the match.
df2, df1b~4 S! dash qcf1, dash d4,2,1+2 . That's 7 hits, about the same amount as most juggles in the game.

>ignores the context of the thread
>tries to say other people can't "pay attention to details"
genuinely fucking retarded

this

Play more the fucking game
youtube.com/watch?v=OexzZtc7FoY

Juggles are my least favorite aspect of Tekken, but it isn't enough to stop ne from playing it from time to time. Sure, I'm be happier if they got rid of then after 5 hits (except for wall-bounces, because fuck you if you get turtled against a wall), but just accept its part of the game and move on.

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b1 and df2. Congrats, you're now atleast red ranked.

the great majority are unsafe

They've ruined pretty much the entire cast that isn't Kazuya or Heihachi. But really it's a fighting game and they can't do much in terms of story if they want to keep characters consistent across multiple installments.

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Is Lili good in T7? I just bought the game and Ive always wanted to give her a try after playing her in SFxT

Anyone here main best girl? Lili of course.

She is good

Tekken has been juggle oriented since T3

People say Asuka's character was ruined, but I feel like they started that way back in Tekken 5. In her ending, we see that she has a latent ability to recede the devil gene that she's not aware of. Right after that, we have a gag where Jin accidentally motorboats her, she punches him and then storms off. In one short cinematic, we see her entire character development from start to finish, and then segues her into a joke character which to this day continues with her being Lili's punching bag and being ogled at by dirty old yakuza men. Any significance she had in the story lasted about 10 seconds and Namco immediately set her on this path all in the game she was introduced in.

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Most juggles aren't that long in 7 though, especially optimal ones since damage scaling is pretty harsh in this game. Tag 2 and to an extent Tekken 6 were the only ones with really, really long combos.

ArcSys games and KoF have considerably longer juggles yet no one complains about them in those games, why is that?

Her T5 ending isn't canon I think, Jin doesn't know that she exists.

>ArcSys games and KoF have considerably longer juggles yet no one complains about them in those games, why is that?
Because those games are dead and Tekken has multiple folds greater casual interest.

Yea Forums sucks at fighters. You don't come here to discuss fighters ever because it's nothing but bitching that games are too hard/too easy, niggers took "my girl," I don't have time to git gud and its why I play bullshit like RPGs. I only come here to find material for scrub quotes.

Good music and non-shit design new characters would be good too.

They ruined Heihachi because his entire story makes no sense now, 7 ignores how for most of the series he's been trying to secure the Devil Gene and use it for himself
Lee actually got cooler over time I feel
There's a lot of plain irrelevant guys like Feng and Drag and so on who are fine too

because mouthbreather retards didn't play those games when they where 8 and remember just mashing with their friends. if they knew anything about older tekkens they would know its the mostly broken and bullshit, and that t7 is probably the least broken out of any tekken release to date.

game is very balanced

Shut up nigger. Whiffing in t1 and 2 meant more life gone. Deathfist did. 1.5x more damage without rage. Get gud scrub

>New tekken is about strings and reads but I'm too retarded to do that so I just spam launchers and complain when the other idiot does the same
ftfy

>wallbounces
>makes juggles longer
at least try to hide you haven't actually played T7

>ArcSys games and KoF have considerably longer juggles yet no one complains about them in those games, why is that?
Because no one plays them.

Watching Nobi is always a treat, but I can't do anything with it as an orange ranklet

Tekken would be fun game, if the team used 8 way run from SC. Prove me wrong.

t7 is fucking perfect
I really hope that they stop making rage arts long as fuck, when negan came out people were spamming that shit, 30 seconds for intro, 30 seconds for rage art, 30 seconds for outro sequence

Sega buried VF themselves, it was always used as a test for new engines which they decided to stop doing after a while. Also the devs for VF aren't at Sega anymore anyway.

vf always sucked ass

I hope they make the 'pauses' between gameplay shorter in general. Loading times in this game feel really fucking long, I know it's an unfair example because of how technology has progressed and shit but back in the old games going from character select screen to gameplay took seconds, I miss that.

One thing I hope they'll add in Season 3 is short rage arts. It was cool at first but now it's really annoying, especially with all those new characters that have 10+ second RAs

>BAAAAWWWW I BOUGHT THIS GAME SO I'M ENTITLED TO GET TO DO WHATEVER I WANT HOW DARE MY OPPONENT PLAY THE GAME HOW I DON'T WANT THEM TO LET ME WIN WITH MY "SUPERIOR FOOTSIES" COMBOS ONLY ALLOW BAD PLAYERS TO WIN OVER MY SUPERIOR BRAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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The only way to play vf5 on ps3 is buying yakuza 6. Think about that. Sega just can't be assed. I hope akira makes it into x tag via dengeki sprites

Said ps3 meant ps4

They should have a simple mode for normal people who want varied characters that cuts down the moves of each character to their 50 most iconic moves, has better movement without kbd, and has a shorter combo system. Tekken is a hand to hand combat game and you can only make so many punches and kicks before combos start looking similar. The juggling looks stupid btw like the opponent is lying on their back in the air and punching their legs keeps them up somehow

well they have quick select now which is good
blame loadings on consoles, you can mod it to be shorter but you still have to wait for poorfags with no SSD unless you play with friends with modded games
I still never warmed up to the idea of rage arts in general, it never feels like a fair win/lose situation when RA happens, even though it never happens in higher levels. it's really weird to me how the pros never use it even when it's an easy win for you (enemy spams df1 like five times in a row, RA will fuck them up for sure).

T7 sort of added that in Season 2, I think if you hold down a button you get access to a bunch of commands auto-assigned to one button or some shit

they have simple combos, anything else would be just stupid. how would you imagine "better movement without kbd"? how would "shorter combo system" work? it just makes no sense. you clearly never seriously played this game

your standard Yea Forums thread then

stop whiffing wind god fists, Pedro

People who complain about juggling also complain about kazumi because they want to go back to when people used their flashy moves for two or three hit combos and instead of one hit punishes with her tiger or something we get taps with her jabs that look like moves every other characters have except hers are fewer frames or something

She still is all about Jin, despite him having started a war and killed countless innocent people.

But he is also rich and influential, that means she could finally get that amusement park she always wanted.

you reminded me of retarded t6 storyline user

>how would you imagine "better movement without kbd"?
8wr

You're deluded if you don't think these characters are not bloated to the max. If characters had fewer moves, each character would have tools that others don't and also people would be able to express themselves with their mains. And kbd is a dumb movement character. They should just buff movement and players should be rewarded for their ability to maneuver and not who can maneuver and kbd best.
>but the characters do play differently
They all pretty much have many moves in common but with different recoveries so some are better at certain things.

A shorter combo system for t7 could be launchers but without the screwattacks where people can extend beyond only if they hit the opponent into a wall. As for combos just make the game less reliant on jabs and launchers and more reliant on a characters niche, like hit confirms into a character's iconic moves or mixups, zoning with kazumi's tigers, launchers with electrics, 50/50s into death fists, king's grab mixups.

>i want to be juggled 3 seconds instead of 10 seconds

Yeah, really weird logic. Go back to twitch.

>tfw people post retarded shit like this unironically
you played this game for 2 hours, didn't you?

Nigger, PS1 Tekken games had half your life bar gone from a 3 hit juggle.

Most combos in T7 aren't 10 seconds long (I guess on Geese' stage that'd be an exception though)
There probably is combo video stuff that long that does minimal damage which no one would use in a match so they hardly count

I agree. With that system Lee would finally get to be top tier

Fuck Mishimas

Just go play Soul Caliber, faggot.

Depends on the character, some have short combos but others like Lee or whatever have longer ones

you know what you dumb fuck im even gonna take a minute of my time to prove how fucking retarded you are. my initial reply is not gonna do it, you will just assume im trolling you or some shit.

imagine you want to take half of kazuya's moves and "leave essentials", make him "rely on electrics", his "niche". so what the fuck is kazuya's niche? you can play him like turtle and say this is his niche, or you can play him like a mixup fucker and say that THIS is his niche, and you will still be right. so what moves do you take away? do you take away the hellsweep because it's too powerful against noobs? or do you take his homing moves, so sidestepping him would absolutely clobber his ass? just name one move, and you will understand that it is there for a reason. if you start doing shit like that for no reason the game will be an unbalanced mess, but you dont care because you played this game for 30 minutes online, got your shit pushed in and decided that the game is wrong, and you can't be wrong. just seriously eat shit you dumb fuck

tekken has always been made fun of for being a clown juggling game, you zoomer

>The people ITT saying wallbounces don't extend combos
You faggots seriously lack creativity if you've never found a way to extend a combo off a wall even from far distance

wallbounces are combo starters, you can't do a wallbounce once you launch your opponent. what are you talking about?

Not him but Jesus dude calm down.

Take a chill pill.

God this place sucks during the day.

fuck off 2D shitter.
if you cant handle beeing puniched for bad decision in the neutral you can go back to muslim combat and sleep fighter.
also there are so many high crush moves in this game they are crutches for people that suck at movement since they can dash in and punish/launch rel easily. KBD is only a factor at the highest level and 90% of all players are below that.

They don't extend combos. Wall bounces are launchers. You'd know this if you actually played the game.
You're thinking of wall breaks.

>yoooo this game sucks
>why?
>here is why dude i dont care that it doesnt make sense
>you're wrong because a, b and c, here is a detailed post why
>yoooo dude take a chill pill calm down man this place has really gone downhill

>They all pretty much have many moves in common but with different recoveries so some are better at certain things.
The cast isn't as homogeneous as Yea Forums says it is but there is some fat that can be trimmed here and there I think. Mishimas are like Shotos in SF so no one minds the game having a bunch of them, but then you have stuff like three slide characters, Shaheen's most unique stuff should've just been given to Lee's moveset in my opinion.

T7 originally intended to trim the fat and have a more compact roster with only the most unique characters but they fucked up with the character selection, went with an initial roster size that was way too small (and also dropping many unique characters despite talking about avoiding the contrary earlier), and also no one likes 7's newcomers.

Every day that a new Virtua Figher isn't announced I die a little more inside.

Tekken is great, Guilty Gear was fun, Street Fighter was neat, but nothing ever matched the vibe, pacing, and technique like VF. At least for me.

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Isn't that basically SFV but with gorillion damage instead of infinite juggling?

>Tekken is the best selling fighting game franchise in history.
do you have sources for this claim? I would unironically love to see the numbers on fighting franchises

tekken is easy, just block, hold back, retards will beat themselves

>Hellsweeps you
Heh, nothing personnel...

>holds down back
>fails to punish the sweep
>teleports behind you and harakiris you
.

>just name one move
What about all the generic punches and kicks copied and pasted on half the roaster?

please elaborate, and name the exact move so I can prove you wrong

well my friend they are humanoid characters with two arms and two legs so there's sort of a low ceiling on just how many different punches and kicks anyone's actually physically capable of

>block the hellsweep
>punish with unblockable
don't worry they'll just stand there and eat it

The whole point is that there are a lot of characters who have barely used and unmemorable moves that most people can't name. Big move lifts are not deep. They're bloat and tedium. I'm certain that the the aspects of a character can still be captured with half of your three digit move list

Name one move.

name just one move, you have no idea what you are talking about

I don't really understand the complaint.
There's too many moves, so remove them?
Then there's just a bunch of vacant command spaces and you still use the same moves over and over.

You presented a non-problem and offered a non-solution to it that takes away moves from people that you don't even use anyways.
This opinion reeks of outsider.

Not going to do that because I've already delivered my point

As someone not used to the series, Tekken is so overwhelming to learn

There's so much stuff, armoured moves and counters out the ass, sidestep moves, wallsplats, stage transitions etc

it's a bad take bro

yikes/10

you're either dumb or just trolling at this point

I used to think this but you must understand some of the moves aren't actually unique but variation/continuations of a string. for example in the movelist 111 will be considered a move then 112 will be considered its own move too

yeah, but well that's the fun of it. just be happy you didn't join in TTT2 days

Harada should really bring back the "simple" Tekken idea he had for the Wii U before Iwata insisted on getting a Tag 2 port. Unless that ended up turning into Pokken?

Came back to Tekken 7 since the back end of 2017, what's the downsides to the assists button? Not meaning autocombo either

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there really is none, it's just a decent crutch for noobs. Nobody actually uses it.

I feel guilty for using it and don't want to get used to it, my usual fightpad is fucked and I'm stuck with the Xbox One controller which is trash for hitting multiple buttons at once. Weird that it has no downsides since it's an easy WGF for Kazuya though

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>it's an easy WGF for Kazuya though
wgf is punishable

True, but there's a 65 - 70 damage combo just by using his assist buttons which I thought was fucking crazy

It does on any stage with breakable walls or balcony breaks

Rolling
1-3 Bob
4-6 Anna
7-9 Feng
0 SFV

Combos never last more than 10 seconds, even with a wall splat
t. still hasn't learned how to punish even though the game has been out for over 2 years
Based
>SFV has zero defensive options unlike Tekken and anime games, but at least the combos only last 5 seconds instead of 8 seconds!! Thank goodness for SFV!!!!
The loading screens ARE unreasonably long. 20-30 seconds on a fast ssd to load two characters, a stage, and a song is far too long

asuka looks too asian imo

Who will be the mashiest gorilla retard character in season 3?

youtu.be/C-TQeBg32g8

WTF are you talking about it was way worst in that regard.

>Got counter with a launcher
>Into the wall
>Extended with the rage art
>Broken floor for extended combo
>Wall again and finished
Ok

Fringe example. Required every resource possible, the specific stage for floor break, and good execution for the double electric combo. This rarely happens in real matches. But you already knew that. Why can't anyone on this site argue in good faith?

Why do people larp as old school fighting pro's? I won tournaments in T5 and DR and I knew none of this shit. 99% of players back then just played and got good at the game. Then you had those 1000 autists who actually took the game dead serious like koreans and people on tekken zaibatsu counting frames. Seems like all of those ended up on Yea Forums for some reason.

TMM was making a revisit of older Tekkens

>TMM

>ITT: boomer casuals who never actually gone out of arcade mode or play against players/non-ghost data

OP probably don't even how busted shit were back then

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Just map multiple buttons to the triggers and l3 r3 what kind of excuse is that?
I only play on Xbox pax and I've never felt the need to get a stick. Can wavu, do electrics and do kings chain throws.
No excuses user, just git gud

The controller is pretty oldish at this point and some of the buttons are loose and creaky while having different actuation points. It's all I have left to use unless I want to use a PS4 pad which I don't really like as much, I prefer circular dpads too but the old SF4 pads are impossible to find now

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>which is trash for hitting multiple buttons at once
You have multibutton binds in the button settings, this is no excuse.

I used it for a couple games when I first started but then I figured out how to do all the moves with commands just as easily. Don't feel bad, everyone has the same option to use it, and if you don't, someone else will. It doesn't even matter if you are using it or not outside of the absolute beginner tier, as anyone higher already knows how to do the commands.

If you actually want to git gud though, don't rely on it too much.

see

im pretty sure some of them are like the exact same animation

What these youtube/social media/twitch zoomers larping as old school fighting players fail to realize is how fringe fighting games like T5 was back in the day. There were no youtube or leddit guides exposing every little balance issue back then either. I lived in a huge city and it was a revolution if we even had like 15 guys showing up at a local tournament. T5 didn't even have online. Hate these niggas who act like they were enlightened players in a fringe genre.

>taunt 3+4

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Maybe stop whiffing my farts ever think about doing that huh?

Play and LOVE LILI!

hey, that's a pretty good counterpoint.

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No it does not. How is that even supposed to work in your head?

Stop whiffing. The actual annoying moves are the frame trap counter hit launchers.

>15 retards that didn't know about how broken the game was at every imaginable angle
yikes

Ass