Is he actually he overpowered or are you just shit user?

is he actually he overpowered or are you just shit user?

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just don't get shot bro

>walk in a straight line
>get headshot
WTF SNIPER IS OVERPOWERED

>low-risk high-reward class with the fewest counterplays is balanced
no

>headshot someone
>wow hax
>bodyshot someone
>wow noob sniper

theyre just shit. the biggest counter to sniper is literally any of the movement keys. If you can see him, he can see you. So don't let him see you

It's like deagle in CS.
Overpowered if you can fucking aim.

He's very position dependent and very vulnerable to flanking.
If he's in a good spot with his team covering him he's godlike.
If his team drops the ball or if he's out of position he's garbage.
Contrast with Scout or Soldier, who do well enough even in a bad position and without team support.

As long as he isn't using the machina. That weapon is dumb.

alright Yea Forums anons I've been doing some thinking and I wanna ask you guys something. So you know how the ambassador has that damage falloff thing were the further away you get the less damage a headshot does. What if the TF2 gave them the reverse for sniper

That way Sniper's skill ceiling raises because you have to take further shots to do more damage and you can't just headshot a scout 2 feet in front of you and kill him. Would this make him a bit more fair to fight or make him more OP?

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>if the enemy sniper is really good the only way to counterplay them is to just be a better sniper.
Just go soldier and shoot rockets at them or go Pyro and shoot flares

He is theoretically overpowered, in that a perfect player would be mechanically unstoppable. Which is why cheaters use him. In practice most sniper mains are ineffectual or downright bad, but the good ones can be a bit of a terror.

just use shotgun bro

Not overpowered, just extremely unfun to play against like all snipers.

>play spy
>faggot sniper cant see me cross his line of sight
>sneak up on him
>razorback, time to whip out the revolver
>180 hs me after a single shot
Its a combination of both OP

Like all classes in the game, it's more dependant on player skill if the character is good or not

Anyone who says Sniper isn't OP is literally only saying this because they've never played against a good Sniper before.
>dude just don't get shot lmao I mean the underage russian Snipers I play on 2fort can't hit shit so it must be easy
No

>sniper mains learn the exact hitboxes and animations of all other characters in the game
>even come up with antisniper hints like hand hitboxes blocking your head if you call for med
>miss a medic and you can let enemies in with their uber on
>"it's just point and click"
Braindead heavy mains. Where the fuck did you come from, 5 years ago not a single soul believed sniper is op or easy.
Here's another tip, most people behave like bots by locking their crosshair onto the sniper and trying to strafe. A lot of classes can actually avoid a headshot by turning their back to the sniper the moment he shoots. For example pyro's backpack has a hitbox that blocks it's head. Demo can't be headshot from behind if he has an explosive weapon equipped. Scout keeps his head low, almost on his back level, so if you aim down his head disappears completely from this angle. Soldier can do this too, and block himself with his arms by aiming up.
Another tip is to move unpredictably, things like turning 90 degrees and walking backwards saved me more times than i care to count. Jumping kinda takes away some of your control so you have to make a gamble there. Spinning your mouse disables headshots on soldier for example. It's all in your control. You just have to get gud.

Scout requires team support to be productive, he doesn't have enough HP to charge in against an enemy team that hasn't already been distracted by something else.

>he's not op now you fag, not a single class is op in TF2
There is literally no counterplay to a Sniper in your sightline besides hoping the Sniper is bad or waiting for your own Sniper/Spy to get lucky and kill him.
This is by definition OP

remember when valve messed up crates and everyone got unusuals haha

A good sniper will kill you just for peeking out like that

jesus FUCK. thanks for the money, valve. i like how its instant too

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how the fuck do you dodge hitscan?

I never liked unusuals.

it's the least fun class to play against, because you have no agency
if he plays well you cant expose yourself or you die, if he plays bad it's like he's not even there
and theres not much you can do against a good sniper really

>Braindead heavy mains. Where the fuck did you come from, 5 years ago not a single soul believed sniper is op or easy.
Heavy mains are extraordinarily entitled.

reread the post then maybe you won't move so predictably retard

based

you do realize the scout can do that if he knows how to aim and dodge your shit.

use the bow you fucking beta

>just stay in spawn dude
you're retarded, snipers can effectively close off entire sightlines

>Pyro on open field against a Scout
>the pyro can win if the player is good enough!!!!
you're retarded

he should be forced to use the bow. perhaps make the arrows somewhat faster, but with a bit more drop. then he would take real skill.

>bow shot
>wow broken hitbox noob crutch weapon

get laid

Well the sniper much like the engineer is a class that just takes the fun out of the game.

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I'm retarded? Valve deliberately made every spawn room have 2 or more exits to avoid that exact situation.

Bow hitboxes are actually broken, please no

>exit spawn
>still have to get to the objective
you're retarded x2

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funny simpsons joke!!!!!!

engi is only annoying when spamming minis

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>the scout can win a normally-disadvantageous situation if he's far better at the game than I am
Whoa

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"I am a useless class"

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It's no wonder aimbotters always pick the sniper classes.
If your aim as sniper is perfect, there is no counter.
People had a ton of time to practice since the game is so old, so now, all the good players either play Soldier or Sniper since those are the most powerful classes in the game.
Shitters play Pyro because while (s)he is actually quite weak, it's easy to play it decently. Just run on the point and hold down W+M1. You'll die, but you'll probably kill someone.

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Nah he's always been fine.
I main Machina sniper only to make pubs rage.

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>Not a single class is op in TF2
*cough* Soldier *cough*

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How is soldier OP?

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Yeah, but most people assume that high skill ceiling negate criticisms against its strength
Soldier's strong but not OP
His strength is in his applicability; there's nothing he can't do, but there's nothing he can do better than anyone else

i dunno

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>0 effort needed
>0 risk required
>Free kills
>Only third world niggers and snoyim play him

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You can't dodge hitscan qweerbait.
Strafing around only does so much and god help you if the sniper is actually good and has enough balls to hide in the back like a little bitch and one shot you because he looked down his scope for a 100th of a second.
How you retards find this balanced at all is truly beyond me.

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>0 effort/risk required
t. scout main who's never had to try keeping buildings alive with incompetent teammates before

quickscopes need to be adjusted.
if your aim is on point, you really don't need to give a shit about good positioning and you can go anywhere since you'll be hitting a majority of quickscopes.

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Fuck you, you fat, disgusting, match stalling faggot. And fuck your faggot short circuit and widowmaker too. There is no effort in building sentry nests, and zero risk is required because you could just set up at the backlines close to your spawn. Engineer is as braindead as Heavy and Pyro are.

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You can move eratically to make it hard to hit
Yes godly snipers will still hit, but what can you do to rein in the godlies without making the class feel worthless to anyone below that level

nigga why are you this butthurt just go demoman lmao

Zig zag. Don't go in a straight line.
Go another route to constantly taunt kill.
Annoy the fuck out of the sniper.

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And all of them suck on offense

Crouch spam, but they removed it because it looks bad in competitive games

.

>be in sightlines
>spin around and crouch jump autistically
provided I dont bump into a wall it works at least 50% of the time

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duhhhhh just go demoman or equip direct hit bro!!

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Busted as fuck but it's more due to the map. Nobody shuts down a push like a sniper and in highlander if you lose your sniper and theirs is still up you're basically stuck with a thumb up your ass for minutes at a time

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>only one person should press on a sentry nest

In the hands of someone with decent aim, yes. However your average TF2 player has shitty aim so maybe the top 5% of anyone who plays sniper actually has good enough aim to make him overpowered.

Get an unusual for us.

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loch n load
>2 shots level 3 sentries
>deals no damage unless you land your shot
>small amount of arc is very rarely useful for hitting without getting hit
>3 shots before reloading
>will never 1 shot low hp classes aside from kunai spies

direct hit
>2 shots level 3 sentries
>still has small amount of splash damage
>can be used for rocket jumping
>4 shots before reloading
>infinite range
>chance of 1 shotting low hp classes

"balance"

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He has a point. On most maps, setting up 2+ sentry nests on last is basically invincible and causes the game to stalemate until time runs out.

Why do shitters keep comparing the loch-n-load to the direct hit as if they were the same.
Before the nerf people were complaining that loch-n-load was OP while no one complained about the direct hit because the loch-n-load had good splash damage and was easier to predict aiming.
The only people who are now complaining about this are shiters who never played tf2 before f2p

Direct hit has damage falloff and in practice will very rarely one shot anyone

both are impossible to land shots with because the game spawns the projectile like 15 frames after I click

On a day when sniper is hypothetically perfect, he's invincible.

In a game where the actually relevant classes are scout, soldier, and demoman, who are so absurdly mobile that the sniper is going to get maybe one shot off before they close in on him or start suppressing his position so heavily that it's impossible to get a shot off before they close in, and he's not like overwatch where he has means of escape if a flanker closes the distance- he's not overly practical.

oh I forgot that direct hit also physically jerks you off for getting an air shot to 110% guarantee they wont survive by giving you a minicrit

I don't know of anyone that complained that the Lock n Load was OP before the nerf.

Have a network interpolation script bind ;)))))

loch n load has a longer range than stock pipes and has 0 fall off damage

iron bomber is also better than either because it doesn't punish narrowly missed shots like at all compared to the other two which will likely end up doing no damage with roll and projectile breakage respectively

It also has the best model of the three
Loose cannon is good in its own right but it's too wildly different from the others to compare

You never visited the steam fourms then

>minicrits on non-fully charged headshots
>nerf huntsman's damage
>buff smg and carbine
I just fixed sniper with three simple changes.

Yeah and while you're doing that another enemy goes and meatshots you to death

Not agaist not-braindead heavy, he will be mowed down.

same thing could be said for any projectile weapon in a situation where you're surrounded by enemies, you numbnuts.

People don't like playing against aimbot because you cant beat it without vac or chaining ubers, which is very unlikely in a pub. Playing against one or two very strong snipers is almost as bad as playing against aimbots.
If you cut headshots down to 125 or even 100 at long range sniper would still be strong as fuck in the hands of someone who hits every headshot.
Personally I would add more midrange weapons like huntsman ( with real hitboxes ), make the sniper compete in the same range as most other class but reward skilled aim for putting himself in harms way for a change.

Corner peak with multiple snipers

the virgin scattergun
the chad sodapopper that compfags got mad and banned because ONE guy was good with it

I fucking hate TF2

Why can't I kill all these fuckers and let the NPCs take care of objectives?

Or even more safely, Spy with Ambassado-
>"Delete this" -- Sniper mains

You hate TF2, i see, but how about telling a better online team based FPS game, that its alive and populated enough?

Yeah dude let me peek risking him killing me to maybe do 30-60 damage and flinch his aim a little bit with a projectile he can dodge.

Overwatch is even more team-based dogshit where you rely on other niggers to not fuck up

Fuck that game

I am going to have 15 dollars after selling everything.
What is something good to buy on steam

Jumping is how you guarantee you get headshot

jumping fucks you over with a good sniper because you commit yourself to a predictable jump arc meaning there's a a split second where he knows for absolutely sure where your head is going to be

ducking, on the other hand, is great because it moves your head in the instant and you can still go right back to adddadadaadadddaaing after

Yeah but demo has stickies

How do I make this work? It's the only good shirt sniper has.
It fits thematically with the sola topi and maybe mutton chops but I don't really like the hat.

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Use the cosmetic that takes off the hat, then

demo with a shotgun would be broken

>aim at someone's feet and m1
>win

>muh overreduction of class mechanics
>I am very intelligent

These threads always crack me up. It's extremely apparent who has never once stepped foot inside of an actual competitive match. The games top snipers have reached the level where the game literally revolves around them more than it does the medics uber, especially in highlander. I won't say it needs to be nerfed for anything outside of comp, but snipers are the real toxic cancer that is slowly killing the comp scene. When they can do 150 damage immediately to anyone they can see at any range and the only way to reliably counter them is to be a better sniper, something needs to change. If you don't care about comp, then fair enough, he's fine. Highlander won't survive another few seasons in any league if sniper isn't nerfed, and the map pool for 6s and prolander will most likely be drastically changed. Not that anyone cares about highlander, but there are certain maps that are completely unplayable and unfun for anyone but the snipers, and the one who's worse probably isn't having fun. Snipers have 100% control of the game on certain maps. It's definitely an issue for many people.

Remove the hat, user.

you mad?

>NOONE IS OP
>SCOUT EXISTS STILL

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If you get a random critical rocket as you hit a group, the salt is hilarious

but he doesn't win you games like a demoman, soldier, medic, heavy or scout.
Sniper classes are just bad in objective games, all they do is enable an equally skilled team to make picks and find advantages in stalemates and neutral games.

Can confirm my first scrim in highlander they told me to not leave spawn until sniper was dead

He's more or less the only class where an encounter with them is entirely dependent on his skill level and not yours
You can delude yourself into thinking that 'moving erratically' is a counterplay, but if he's skilled enough it won't do shit - there's no ceiling to the sniper
The only way to counter him is to play sniper as well

How do I not get fucking mad when someone taunts me?

the only thing 'OP' is being deleted from across the map, meanwhile everyone else has to get within fucking distance to do damage. but that's just snipers in general, if the cunt misses then you have him p much cornered. except for quickscope bs which is the real culprit people hate

Just taunt back bro

Spy is underp-
>Teleports in front of you
>Wiggles
>One hit kills you in the face
>gains 200hp
>Proceeds to chainstab your entire team with one hit kills
Heh... nothin personal gentlemen

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>scout
>OP
lol

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Name my pistol
5 name

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That's not a pistol, you fucking moron.

Fuck playing that boring uncle cuck shit class to counter Scout

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I know, sorry

It wouldn't be so bad if valve actually cracked down hard on cheaters but they don't care

spy mains are the very definition of passive aggressive betas irl that will report you to your employer instead of confronting you, none of them have any real friends, they're that guy that no one likes but he's too pathetic for anyone to tell him to fuck off
spending hundreds of hours learning to abuse poorly coded hitboxes and 20 year old netcode on an ancient engine so you can stab people in the back who are distracted with actually shooting people in an fps is the epitome of incel

wow, spy gets kills when he's interp hacking (and he doesn't even change the outcome of the match)
very strong class indeed!!!

Your HUD is cancer, holy shit.

Okay, but don't try and say Scout is OP when he has the single worst matchup in the game

Ye, thanks

Only thing that ever bothered me about Sniper was the existance of the Razorback.

I know its not a terribly oppressive weapon but just being able to give up a shitty secondary you should never use in order to just be immune to your counter class is really dumb, and with the ambassador dead, the thing is a hell of a lot more potent if the sniper is around a sentry nest.

It be like if every single other class in the game got a "Cannot be headshot once" item.

>he can't outstrafe and take out a sentry with scattergun
>or just use the pistol from long range

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I know that in practice the razorback is great, but the satisfaction of singlehandedly winning a team fight by throwing a jar of piss at the enemies is too good.

yikes

tranny blaster

>implying that you're going to take out a lvl3 sentry from range with the pistol

Iw done this plenty of times, the amount of retarded Engies who just wander off is astounding.

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Only Scout shitters complained.

Pretty good,but wrong number

he's not OP unless the player is using an aimbot (which a lot of them are anymore in casual servers)

Want to talk about the most useless class to play?

>No weapon is as strong as the best weapon of every other class
>Hitbox for the back of enemies is weird
>Gimmick is useless because enemies will always do spychecking anyways

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there's no counter-play against a good sniper at medium or long range other than staying out of sight or being a sniper yourself, the really good ones can even headshot crackhead scouts
every other class is either limited in a given range or has viable counter play options
it's irrelevant though because the game sucks dick now and i haven't played it in like five years

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>No weapon is as strong as the best weapon of every other class
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>Shotgun

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My idea was just not making quickscoping a thing. Like the other user mentioned, a sniper being able to hit someone from close range is acceptable, some maps just don't have much room to go really far away for the extra damage you proposed.

Instead, I would make him rely more on charged shots, with uncharged shots doing low damage and not having the headshot bonus (if you land it).

Another feature would be the charging being influenced by mouse movement, where the less you move the mouse around while scoped in, faster the bar will charge. This means snipers who have room to calmly position their aim will be able to land more headshots than snipers close to their enemies (who need to position themselves more often). It rewards staying the fuck away from the battlefield while making his rifle less useful in close ranged combat (as it should be)

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He is damn good in defense. Being able to pick a fully charged medic or a buffed Heavy in one click before they get to do anything is pretty gamechanging.

Be better at moving than your opponent is at aiming.

Would anyone be opposed to nerfing snipers ammo count? Always seemed super weird that for such an inherentally strong weapon it has 25 ammo.

His issue is that he has no skill ceiling, so with enough practice he can become hideously broken.

>If a sniper can headshot a scout that's jumping around close to him then he deserves that headshot, desu.

And yet if a Spy can headshot a Sniper whose head is 2 pixels wide on their screen with a weapon that doesn't even have a scope, they don't deserve it and need to be nerfed hard.

>That bulky, overdesigned, complex piece of garbage
>Only good shirt
You make it work by deleting it

He is strong in casual matches

hard to hit
not impossible
every time you leave spawn move from or any cover you are gambling to be 1 hit killed

The problem with the amby nerf along with the ringer nerf is that it took 2 of spys good tools away and gave him literally nothing in return

except not

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>there's nothing he can't do, but there's nothing he can do better than anyone else
I'm tired of this meme. He's the second best in almost everything which makes him pretty much the best class out there.

Thanks

>took 2 of spys good tools away and gave him literally nothing in return

AS IT SHOULD BE. FUCK THAT FRENCH ASSHOLE.

he has more health and same shotgun damage
unless he got the jump on you you should be able to deal with him
also you have the ability to not fight scouts in open fields while a sniper in the backlines will always cover a whole sightline

no, all classes in the game depend on your skill and the one of your opponent
snipers removes the latter part from the equation, hence the unbalance

The only thing I want them to fix in TF2 is spies being on my fucking screen when I get backstabbed

Then invent FTL data transmission.

that only makes it harder for them to hit, given you saw them before they saw you
you are not dodging

>he can't hit scout

Scattergun does way more than standard shotgun, stop spewing bullshit

I forget this game exists despite having 2.5k ish hours of playtime on TF2. I stopped playing this shitty game the moment valve nerfed baby face's blaster into shit tier so I'm not surprised that the state of this shitty game is still as unbalanced as ever when valve allows the sniper class to be an overpowered piece of dogshit even for years after I left TF2 for good.

Im the guy getting away with ridiculous face stabs recently. I wasn't even trying to trickstab cause I can't

Sorry

only has higher damage ramp up, the base is 60 on both
and if he's close enough for take advantage of that just melt him

>HOW DO YOU DODGE HITSCAN.
This is your brain in summer.

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seething scunt lmao

The only way to fix him is to remove him from the game. The fact that all cheaters flock to him can show you just how mechanically broken he is in comparison to the other classes of the game, if there were no snipers then hacking wouldn't even be worth doing, kill two cancers with a simple change.

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A good pyro can't do shit against a good Scout in open field, everybody knows this.
The Scout can simply stay out of the flamethrower range and jump all over the place to dodge the pyro's shots, while the pyro is a slow target for the scout.

Go back, Dane.

imagine unironically defending rng in a skill based game

then again why are you a pyro on open fields
and if you know there's going to be good scouts stay with your team
staying with your team as against snipers instead is just hoping someone else dies first and not you

airblast the scout and nail him with the reserve shooter before he can react

Its impossible.

I don't know why you keep mentioning sniper, the point of this conversation is that whether a character is good or not is dependant on player skill ( your words ) which is BS because pyro and spy are trash no matter how good you are

MUH
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This entire scenario is retarded any basic player worth their salt knows how to position their class correctly this scenario is dumb and improbable because a decent pyro wouldn't be in this scenario not to mention he has tools to specifically get out of this scenario like the power jack and the jetpack

it makes redditors like you seethe
valve will NEVER EVER remove them

>Play the game all the time
>Still errible at it
>Average scout gets around twice as much deaths than kills
>Can't spycheck for shit as engi
>Pyro, Demo and Soldier are the only things I'm decent with
>Never touched Heavy, Medic or Spy
What does Yea Forums think of me?

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>scout stays at a distance where flames dont hit
>airblasting
kinda dumb, arent ya

>pyro
>spy
>bad
Spotted the shitter.

we're talking about competitive viability and you mention the jetpack
I think we're done here, if we keep talking I bet you're going to bring demoknight up as well lmao

You have motor control issues?

ok retard

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>I don't know why you keep mentioning sniper
pyro is highly situational, skills should tell you that instead of running in open fields
spy is indeed useless, but for one reason

These aren't reasonable defenses, have I won again?

Spy IS bad, the worst class in the game at the moment.

just use covers bro

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Yes I know sniper is in the OP, but I replied to you because you said a very stupid thing that has nothing to do with sniper so mentioning him in this reply chain is pointless and makes you look like you're grasping at straws

>spy is useless for one reason
what's that reason

You are the only person talking about competitive the thread had nothing to do with competitive until you came in here pretending like people care about your dead game mode news flash retard nobody fucking plays competitive you play competitive completely differently from how you play Team Fortress 2 regularly

you will never win on removing random crits
cope

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Pyro and Spy are still weak as fuck in casual as well and the claim that skill is the only factor in deciding the strength of a class is STILL a retarded statement

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>pyro is weak

uhh no sweetie

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So yes I won, it seems only brainlets prefer random crits. As I assumed.

Pee Stole :DDD

now this is contrarianism
>what's that reason
His effectiveness is solely dependent on the enemy team not having anyone on it who can use a mic or type in chat

>airblasts you

heh, nothin personnel, other pyro

>what's that reason
ahem

Anything Spy can do, Sniper does better
Sniper does everything better than Spy
No, he can't
Yes, he can
No, he can't
Yes, he can! Yes, he can!

Anything Spy can kill, Sniper kills faster
All without dying right after it too
No, he can't
Yes, he can
No, he can't
Yes, he can! Yes, he can!

Spy can check for Uber, you stupid Nigger
Well, there's no need to check it when I've gone and reset it
Yeah? I'll decloak behind their backs
Have they seen you before?
Yeah
Well good luck with that

Any role Spy can fill, Sniper fills better
Like Scout or Soldier but never a Spy
That's sixes
Yes, it is
I play PUBs
I win PUBs
No, you don't
Yes, I do! Top score too!

I swear that hardly ever happens. usually my flame reaches them before they can airblast.

>His effectiveness is solely dependent on the enemy team not having anyone on it who can use a mic or type in chat
Spy's downfall is also people with functioning eardrums, who move a lot, who spycheck effectively, and turn quickly to check behind themselves often.

All very easy things that nullify the entire class.

What are you on about all of Pyro's flamethrower is except for the degreaser are obscenely good all of his secondaries except for maybe the reserve shooter are retarded good you can absolutely fucking abuses lobbies with Pyro explain how he is bad? The only reason people think spy is weak is because they play him wrong

Winners

You lost, cocksucking nigger.

>obscenely good
they're literally weaker than stock shotgun

go back to playing 32 player insta respawn 2fort, retard

Here's the thing, unlike classes like the sniper the scout has to get close to you in order to attack you most effectively, you are supposed to take advantage of this fact by negating his offense using your flamethrower and airblasting him in a predictable arc to meatshot him with your shotgun, he will be left wounded and most likely retreat but be killed by the afterburn. I personally prefer to airblast then into the ground since it keeps them locked in place for a full second in which you can fuck up a scout real bad.

Go back getting impregnated by my phlog in pubs nigger

some of you guys are alright dont come to the mge lobby tomorrow

>can kill somebody and under 3 seconds with a flare gun
>weaker than shotgun
Learn2projectile

>the scout has to get close
not really, he can stay outside of flamethrower range and kill you just as easily.
If you manage to run away the result is your health is low but he's fine. Picking pyro harms your team.

>he plays pubs
keep outing yourself as a shitter

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goobie

Pyro would be fixed if he could airblast himself. Prove me wrong.

Learn2aim
And also learn to stop thinking in absolute terms when talking about the relative strength of a character

so overpowered that he's only occasionally used as a situational pick in actual comp games

Keep felching the cum out of my pocket boyfriend's ass retard

They're fun

>charge at Sniper with my fists out, Battle Crying
>duck as he shoots, shot misses
>"Nice shot!" as I stand up straight again and close my distance
>crit him
>Schadenfreude on his corpse

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>so overpowered that he's only occasionally used as a situational pick in actual comp games
This is wrong. Sniper is eating HL alive by being broken as shit, and he's becoming increasingly dominant in 6s as well.

>Spy is shit
>No, Pyro is shit

Anons, we all know Medics can't play for fucking shit and we only tell them that they are "skilled" and belong in the big boy club.

Anons is it bad that I didn't find out that girls didn't have dicks in 9th grade.

user, even the worst medic is at least healing. That's more than the best spy can do once he's caught.

He only shot once in the entire minute it took you to walk up to him?
Also
>jarates your ass
>fists of steel receive even more damage from melee
yeah thats gonna be a oneshot from me dawg

Spy gets an average kill every what, 2 minutes?
It's a fucking useless class.
Pyro's just very weak.

>running from RED base to BLU base is the only possible way for a Heavy to run into a Sniper at close quarters
Stop playing 2Fort.
>using Fists of Steel for melee fights
Actually you know what, just stay in 2Fort.

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pistol

you guys should watch mr paladins then you will become an effective pub spy

Yes, medic is a class for utter skilless retards who want to feel like they are contributing something. But the fact is that they are in fact an essential part of a good team as long as they have 2 brain cells and can left and right click on people. Medic requires no skill but is important anyways. Spy and Pyro on the other hand, while they do require marginally more skill than Medic, contribute absolutely nothing to the team that other classes can't do better, making them worse.

>telling me to go back to 2fort, the epitome of casual, when you're the one going melee
Fuck off
>not using fists of steel when a sniper is shooting at you
Actually you know what, kill yourself.

>Mr Paladin
Fuck that guy for telling Spies how to trickstab

I can't even melee Spies anymore without getting fucking facestabbed.

I think its swipez that teaches them how to trickstab. paladins isnt that good at em

He only hits the record button once he finds a server full of F2P retards who never look behind their back.
Everyone who dies by a Spy's hand are literally so bad at the game that whether they're alive or not has no effect on their team winning or losing.

ever heard of classes not being the same

>walk forward a bit
>stop
>spy swings and misses
wow so hard

Damn nigga I ain't know you get mad that easily.

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thats not true I still get backstabbed from time to time and I'm usually top scorer

>Damn nigga I ain't know you get mad that easily.

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>calling others casual when you're a JarateBushitter
oh nononono

The final name

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I also get backstabbed from time to time, especially from those people who have like 10k hours on Spy, but after I've been backstabbed once that guy isn't touching me again.

And still it's incredibly rare to find these people. And even THEN they're absolutely not as scary as a great Demoman or Soldier player, or god forbid a Sniper player

Both.

Snipers aren't impossible to circumvent, but some matches force you to adapt the entire round to getting to the snipers and I'll be honest it's probably the least fun version of ANY shooting game.

Sniper rifles in Cawwaduty are such a bore too. We get it, you can see from really far away, you have hitscan, it's really impressive.

cringe

Jarate is a top tier secondary, what are you on about

In order to achieve that you:
>left the frontlines entirely
>somehow managed to avoid the entire enemy team in order to get to the sniper's nest at snail pace
>by avoiding the entire enemy team you also completely disregarded your role as a frontline defense
See where i'm going with this?

How many seconds did it take for you to regret picking that awful name?

were there really no 5s?

Why does Engineer get heaps of shit for stalling the fuck out of the game but Heavy is for some reason a sacred cow who must not be insulted despite doing the exact same thing, but worse?

>Yeah bro, Soldier? He's TOTALLY like Quake. See? I play Quake.

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If you're calling others casual for going melee, then why are you whipping out your Bushwhacka

u fuckin dumb

>nerf something that no one uses anyway because it's already shit
some genius you are

I never mentioned that weapon.
Have fun feeling like a retard for a while.

>Can literally back stab him
>B-BUT muh stab protection shield
It wastes a slot and was nerfed

Good or bad it's just not fun.

The sniper has essentially no bar for entry except the time to get better and better at clicking on things. Combine that with the way the game plays, the general chaos, it just seems like an easy way to play the game.

I used to be so impressed by snipers in video games as a kid but I finally realized it's essentially playing INSTAGIBS when everyone else is nerfed. Just not as fun as actual mid to close range combat.

Because it's all in your head and absolutely nobody thinks Engineer is powerful

>stab once
>now everyone knows there's a spy so you're shit outa luck

nice "counter"

How do you do this?

help.steampowered.com/en/wizard/HelpWithItemBug

You did not mention the Bushwhacka, true, but you did in fact mention melee. And by telling me that you prefer the Jarate as the Sniper's secondary, and me with my endless hours of experience in the game, it's safe to assume that yes you'd in fact have the Bushwhacka equipped as well.

Have fun feeling like a retard for a while.

Thank you.

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yes

>cant even admit when he fucks up
shameful display

>pic
I get it it's supposed to sound like "asshole" but I can still very easily make the P sound with my tongue out.

Where'd I fuck up, exactly?

What looks good with this hat?

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...?
you assumed something that ended up being wrong?
Do you have a learning disability?

It's just the latest in a sequence of bullshit whining generated by TF2 Influencers trying to rile people into harassing Valve into making changes to the game.
(Also a lot of snipers have picked up on cookie cutter rollouts and the blast jumpers are positively seething)

You have yet to show proof that you don't have Bushwhacka equipped.

If you still think the Razorback counters spies you're fucking retarded consider uninstalling the Razorback does literally nothing

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>ded game
>just "accidentally" fuck over a bunch of players to generate tons of publicity
>brings a ton of morons back who forgot about your game
>rake in cash
like cockwork

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How do I get good at playing as pyro

Because the "competitive breakdown" of class roles has literally no place in tf2 and the complaint about matches lasting too long was bred out of the "difficulty" of making live commentary videos for youtube.

people have complained about sniper for longer than you've been old enough to post on this website, newfriend

If there's a razorback sniper who is in a position where he can't be stabbed ( people or sentries looking at him for example ) I'll go for somebody else instead.
Razorback literally hurts your team

t. spy

I need new Heavy ideas. Throw me some good looking shit.

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40k players every day before that crate thing but ok, at least we got to witness a small part of the fantasy world that exists in your head only

reminder this dogshit got an award for the best KOTH map

>that filename
you should ask reddit instead

The Poopy Pisshole

Nothing lime green, that's for fucking sure.

>he's never played a match where the other team is running 3 or 4 heavy-medic combos who are all watching each other's backs
unzip those snipers because things are gonna slow the fuck down now

Demoman takes skill unironically
Just wanted to put that out there

I played in beta gaylord, don't try to pull this revisionist oldfag shit on me.

Only if you dab on Scouts with aimed pills

There is no such thing as a good KOTH map

seriously nothing better than bouncing around corners you can't see and getting direct hits

or when they try to jump over you and you just stick a pill straight up their ass

whoever says demoman doesn't take skill just doesn't have style desu

>hurrr durr you didnt tryhard in a casual match how dare you
hang yourself retard

I like bouncing them up and hitting them midair myself

*ahem*
CTF Turbine.
Discuss.

I just play Demoknight with the weeb katana when we have too many Demomans

>CTF
Breeds brain damaged garbage players.

its fun every once in a while

t. retard
hold these two revolver shots

good for warm up with bots

long hallways, tight spaces, a couple places to practice some jump techs, an open space in the center for baby rocket jumps

Y'all niggas are too beta to equip Mann of the House and it shows

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>Breeds brain damaged garbage players.
This isn't 32 man instant respawn KOTH servers

why would I give up my sandwich for a shotgun on a class that has a fucking minigun

It could use like, one extra hallway on each side, but other than that, nice map.

Mann of the House are the trousers you big dummie

you know the player needs to be able to click on you in the first place right?
Most people aren't very good at aiming, most snipers rely on tracking your movement and predicting where you head will be, if you move unpredictably it makes it harder.

shit

God forbid me for actually playing the game
I bet you're also a friendly on top of being a stupid nigger.

My friend is a huge Full Metal Alchemist Fan, so I made him an Armstrong Heavy shopping list.

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>Grinding out spedpoints is the only way to play tf2

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>one sniper can hold down the entire objective, singlehanded and with no ability to oppose him
Do you play exclusively on cp_orange maps

they're fun and exciting, stop taking video games so seriously you massive tryhard
took a random crit direct hit to the mug yesterday during a great killstreak and it didnt even bug me. just wait 10 seconds and get back to killing you autists
or join the no fun tryhards in one of the many crit free community servers

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hehe dumb

There's zero argument for removing them from the game and the entire thing is an exercise in megalomania, after being enabled in the Tough Break update.

>a skill based game
*congas out of my base while half of my team are snipers and spys and the other half are afk in spawn*

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You don't even have to play spy to get kills.
You can play spy just to distract the enemy team and get them away from objectives, or slow down the pace of the match.
The more time you get them to waste their time spychecking, the better.

>Be heavy
>See sniper dot on the wall
>Run around the corner while yelling medic and other voice commands
>My giant hand covers my head
>Take damage but it's not a head shot
>Start shooting causing him to flinch and retreat

Play smarter

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everyone who posts this retarded cat always has a shit opinion in my experience
it's not fun or exciting to get or take a crit, it's fucking annoying, especially when you could've gotten that kill regardless

>strawmans the fuck out of my post
Do you post exclusively on Yea Forums and reddit

>sniper isn't shit so he can counter the flinching

you are new

>need this casual server to know just how fucking pro i am without crits getting in the way!
pathetic
go back to comp with the rest of your ilk

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>Countering your screen randomly flinching in diffrent directions
I'm not doubting someone could do that but if they can they are already better then me and deserve to win.

>"it's not fun or exciting to get a crit, it's fucking annoying"
>you will never be this depressed
thank god

I actually get a lot more mad when I get killed by the sydney sleeper.

I'm not enough of a fucking autist to go into comp.
But I'm also not so much of a fucking casual that I'm gonna just sit here and act like crits are completely fine like you.
This isn't fucking hard to comprehend so stop acting like it is.

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Uhhh how do think people avoid bullets in real life? Move around retard, jump, crouch spam, serpentine.

>it's not fun or exciting to get a crit

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now hes even more useless in highlander

so in est people will bitch about anything whether you are good or not

>I don't wanna be an autist
Then enjoy getting critfucked, scrub

Well then you probably occupy the same retarded space that demanded matchmaking, congratulations on killing the community servers that would have satisfied your niche.
You only have yourself to blame and it's your fault.

>if the sniper is better than you then he wins
>if you're better than the sniper then it's a draw
See how he's broken?

so youre just a regular tryhard then
again. tf2 is and always will be a casual game at its core
get dabbed on by my crocket loser

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keep it in /tf2g/

I had a game recently where there was a sniper that was really really good, granted, he had his own pocket medic the whole game and didn't heal anyone else on the team, but he was pretty good. He completely locked down the map for a majority of the game. Barnblitz's 2nd last point especially. When the Sniper is that good, he can dominate and lock down the map, it would take an insanely co-ordinated attack from the attacking team to push through. I've never experienced that with soldier or a demoman. You can just say that people weren't working together, but I've played enough to say that 99% of teams don't communicate in anyway apart from the odd "Spy" callout or spamming MEDIC!
With sniper I sometimes wonder if he is OP in cases like that, but then I realise that TF2 is much better played coordinated, but you'll never get that in a casual match. The easiest counter to any sniper, no matter how good they are is a coordinated team or an uber at least. Sure, another sniper can fight him, but if they're good enough to just mark them everytime they attempt, you're only having one class do nothing but die.
In the perfect TF2 game, sniper is well-balanced, even in usual casual games he's not too worrying, but he does have the tools inside his class to completely lock individualist teams for minutes. Whether or not that's a good thing because of skill difference, which in most cases it is, I dunno.
I don't really know what the point is I'm trying to make. Revert the Caber.

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QUIT BEING FAGGOTS AND POST YOUR FAVORITE MEME LOADOUT

DEMO WITH LOCH N LOAD, TARGE, AND BOTTLE

That's a shotgun

heavy with tomislav, buffalo steak, and holiday punch

>Playing a class ill equipped to deal with long range against something that directly counters you
>Leaving the battle in a draw
I think that's a win in my book.

IF YOU ARENT RUNNING SODA POPPER, CRIT A COLA AND SUN ON A STICK WITH A BUDDY THAT HAS THE VOLCANIC SHARD THING YOU ARE A FUCKIN' LOSER SCOUT

Wait caber got nerfed? Jesus fucking Christ how long was I away from this game, caberknight was my favorite meme loadout

It does like 115~ damage on hit, don't think you can kill a scout with it.

Fuck compfags holy shit

No, it wasn't compfags.

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Then who can I blame? I have to blame SOMEONE

Valve.

It was comp fags, pretty sure it was b4nny that had personally whined about it

Sniper and Medic mains were annoyed that the demo could put down two sticky jumper stickies, teleport to their location from anywhere on the map using them, and then instakill them with the caber for absolutely free. They complained on /r/tf2 and on steam forums.

>say "Nice Shot" as he misses
>Sniper replies with "Thanks, mate!" and then pulls out his melee too, charges, and spams battle cries

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Compfags have literally never gotten a weapon nerfed in the entirety of tf2. Valve does not listen to them in the slightest.

fucking legendary

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No, b4nny complaining about it wouldn't make it happen. What would make it happen is that someone at Valve or a vocal amount of people saying it was used for cheap kills, which people in the "community" said it was.

LET US WRESTLE, LITTLE MAN

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I haven't played TF2 in years but I don't remember sniper giving me much trouble. So you're all just shit

he's just a ranged spy, name one thing spy can do that sniper can't do better than him
hard mode no disguises and invisibility

> you can't dodge hitscan
Correct, but you CAN prevent the hitscan weapon from being aimed properly in the first place if you move in any way but a straight fucking line.

Whatever server you're playing on where engies leave their sentries in the open, unattended, I want to play there.
So I can be the best they've ever seen.

Your book's shit

Even in competitive games, I'll accept a melee duel sometimes. When someone has proven themself to be not a tryhard, it feels only fair.

Fine you want me to change the situation to make you feel better?
>Be demo
>See sniper dot
>Run around corner yelling medic
>Sniper shoots my giant meaty black hand and not my tiny little cyclops head
>Lob two pills at him before he can load his next shot and line up
>First pill hits him into the air and 2nd finishes him off
>Taunt

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Wtf not a singe 5

Spring Cleaner

demomains rise up

Sandman crippled because muh stun shouldn't exist in an fps
Ambassador nerfed because a soldier main cried about cratering because the headshot would cancel all momentum from rocketjumping
Caber I'm almost positive got nerfed because of comp players crying about caberdemos killing their pocketmeds in pubs
Sticky jumper got nerfed to 2 stickies out only because ItS A TrAiNiNg WeApOn
Quickfix was nerfed to have it's uber prevent capturing of objectives SPECIFICALLY because comp fags can't into killing a quickfix med with burst damage (despite being THE burst damage classes, go figure)
And the game itself was nerfed by Valve haphazardly being convinced to chase Matchmaking and comp shit because of influencers that were on blizzard's payroll constantly telling them that tf2 was going to die without it, which led to nearly every community server of ANY effort dying, up until now where it's gotten SO FUCKING STAGNANT it's revived one server that has some level of effort put into it.

schweppes zero sugar blood orange soda

making it a mental game rather than a twitch reaction one.
that's probably why you lose, retard

>Sandman
>Ambassador
nerfed because spies on 2fort bitched
>Caber
medics on reddit complained

>MUH BOOGEYMAN THAT I'VE CONSTRUCTED IN MY HEAD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE
embarrasing

If Valve actually listened to the comp community when making their competitive mode then they would have included all the banlists that come with comp. Trying to implement 6s without the class/weapon restrictions that 6s is founded on is asinine.

Post them

I haven't played in a year and now I'm shit

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demo with loch n load, splendid screen and that whack a mole hammer from some halloween event

>I-it's a boogeyman! No No! Don't pay attention to the fact that it was a DOWNWARD SPIRAL that led inevitably to THE COMPETITIVE UPDATE IT WAS RANDOM DICKHEADS ON TWITTER I SWEAR!
>Pay no attention to the fact they all got trips to Valve! It's Just A COINCIDENCE!
The only thing embarrassing here is you.

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Except they were reworking all the weapons to make them Competitive Kosher, rendering banlists to be redundant.

Old Mcdonald's C-I-E-I-O

I really want the Necro-Smasher. Would it be possible to get it on an achievement server?

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literally impossible, making the game competitive kosher would require deleting heavy and sniper from the game, which Valve would obviously never do.

>but what can you do to rein in the godlies without making the class feel worthless to anyone below that level
I think that's the million dollar question here

>sniper faggot on my team steals all the kills and ruins the fun of long range engagement
>accuse him of cheating even though he's clearly legit
>mfw he gets kicked

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according to google since it's unlocked via achievement you just need to find a server running the event map and it should work after getting 4 achievements

tf_forced_holiday 2
map sd_doomsday_event
tf_bot_add 30

bruh

you can't, it's taken almost 20 years for snipers to get good enough in casual play to make this an issue in non-competitive games. I know that a few years ago I wasn't getting nailed by enemy snipers as consistently as I do today. They're getting better.

PLEB CHARACTERS
Sniper
spy
demonigger
soldier
medic
pyro
SKILL CHARACTERS
heavy
scout
engineer

>heavy
>skill

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>Dont ever get seen ever
>Sneak up to sniper as heavy and punch him
>Rocket Jump through his sightline and pray he misses multiple shots and his team ignores you
>Use an uber on a singular sniper
>Countersnipe
>For some reason, the sniper is sniping at close range and youre able to 2 shot him with pipes/rockets/scattergun.

Good answers so far

>sniper in pill range
did you make a terrible example on purpose? Am I getting trolled?

Not him but Heavy requires a ton of positioning knowledge and restraint because as soon as you start rushing in front of your team you're dead.
Also you need good aim to track people.

Are you serious? Learn the stage, take cover and rarely come out in the open, be near (but not hugging) shitters who seem like better targets, be spastic with your movements, if you play aclass with air mobility then use it. do ALL of these things and Snipers will only kill you when you're caught off guard, but being caught off guard you deserve to get killed.

>limited ammo
>slow as fuck
>easy to kill
yeah he requires skill

I like playing pyro, i just started playing tf2 and he's great

>walk into an obvious sniper sightline like a drooling retard instead of taking the flank
>WTF SNIPER IS OP AS FUCK

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Literally every class in the game requires positioning skill. Knowing "what do I need to do in this situation so I can be credit to team" is the skill FLOOR of the other 8 classes in the game. It's the literal bare minimum needed to not be useless. You're really going to try and describe it as the skill ceiling for Heavy? Do you know how lame that sounds?

>you need good aim to track people
Hell no, your reticule is gigantic, the weapon is hitscan, and you don't even need to reload. That's like trying to say that you need good aim to track people with the flamethrower. At least the flamethrower isn't hitscan.

a lot of those have been proven to be bots, the real player count is around 20k or so teamwork.tf/community/statistics

>dude just don't walk into his sightline lmao

>Literally every class in the game requires positioning skill

More than half of classes in the game have positioning tools, the rest aren't slow. Heavy has no way to actively getting where he wants to be without waddling his fat ass over there, so moving around as him effectively takes a lot of unique positioning knowledge. Play an environment where Spy, Sniper and Scout actively want to keep you in spawn all game and realize Heavy isn't a brainless class to play.

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>sentry
>countering anyone whos good
Scout and demo are the best classes in the game.

>Medics complained about caber
FUCK REDDIT, literally one of the most fun weapons that you only fucking works ONCE. WHY WOULD YOU NERF A GAG WEAPON

>play stop that bomb
>it's an actual fun community gamemode
wish more servers ran it

I did not know that.
That's still a ton for such an old game.

As a Heavy you should be mulching any Scouts who come within minigun range to try and kill you. Spy is more annoying but so long as you remember to turn around occasionally he's pretty manageable. With Sniper you literally can do nothing except wait for him to die, assuming the enemy team isn't dumb enough to let you waddle through their flank. Which is another big problem with Heavy: he's so god damn fat that a substantial fraction of getting from pt. A to pt. B is completely out of your hands -- you can do little more than wait for other players on your team to clear the way before you can proceed. Of course this isn't as much of an issue in typical pub play as it is in high level organized settings, but the crux of the problem is the same. Oh, there's a soldier/demo lurking near the choke waiting to spam you into giblets? If you were playing Scout or Soldier you could use your mobility to get around their flank and take them from behind; as a Heavy your only recourse are (a) waiting for the Scout/Soldier to do this or (b) hope the enemy team is dumb enough to let you walk and walk and walk to attempt doing it yourself (good luck).

Oh so you're a glass half empty kind of guy. Fine.
>Be scout
>See sniper dot on the wall
>Run out swinging my mouse above my head by its cord effectively making my character spasm
>Scream in voice chat the song of my people
>Sniper uses the jeer voice clip before 150 damage body shotting me
>See him taunt in the kill cam
>Go on Yea Forums and complain

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Because it's annoying as fuck to walk out of spawn and get instantly gibbed because some democunt decided to teleport to your location with stickybomb jumping and suicide bomb you, and have him keep doing this over and over.

It’s a fucking bullet going faster than the speed of sound. You’re not supposed to be able to dodge it

you're right and it's surprising it's consistent too for an almost 10 year old game, I still don't know why they never update it as much considering how many people still play it

No. Only pyro is overpowered, scout is underpowered.

>As a Heavy you should be mulching any Scouts who come within minigun range to try and kill you

Stopped reading here. Scout does over 100 damage per meatshot and you're wide enough to ensure he meatshots every time. Then he has at least one more meatshot before you're finished revving up, after which you have less than a second to put out 125 damage while he's playing the jump-over-your-head minigame. This glaring weakness to Scout is exactly why Heavy used a minigun almost exclusively designed to resist meatshot damage and slow Scout down.

The only way you will kill a Scout as Heavy is if you happen to ambush him or he tries to run at you in a straight line from across the map.

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not overpowered at all, just don't be shit at positioning
he is however the most mechanically shallow class, with the most shallow counter, with the least fun counterplay

>this entire scenario relying on the assumption that you aren't spun up and aware of the scout before he engages you
absolutely shameful, user

Think Upward first spawn, you are blue the enemy is red, the red sniper is positioned on the hill far behind with people watching his flanks and probably behind a sentry while wearing the razorback.
This is the scenario that people are talking about, not 2fort gibus snipers.

Do you walk around the map revved up as Heavy? No shit he will probably find you when you aren't revved up.

If scout gets close, yes you are correct. If he is not close, then he gets put to sleep faster than a pitbull in a peta shelter

Continue to complain, as Valve will never get rid of them, and Team Fortress 2 will never be the competitive centered game you desperately want it to be.

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I'm glad people still play this game.

If you're wandering around in an area that's got a lot of crossroads and/or is near mid or the point under than yes you should be spun up because if you're close to the fighting than there is a reasonable expectation that a Scout or a Spy will try and ambush you because that is their exact role. When you get close to the enemy team you should be regularly spinning up under the assumption that someone is going to try and ambush you. Do you keep getting killed because you refuse to put away the GRU until you're 3 meters from the point, or something?

>you are blue the enemy is red
I'm sorry user I'm nobody in this conversation but this part made me smile

Stop uncloaking close enough to be heard dummy.

I hate australians.

>Whoa! It's so hard to kill a single sniper all by myself when there are 3+ people supporting him!
No shit sherlock you're essentially fighting and upwards battle of 1 v 3+

Go get a vac medic to even the odds a little, his fully charged 150 body shot turns into a 38 baby flick

As a retard that runs at heavies I can assure you that I will die 70% of the time, even if the heavy isn’t revved up. It takes 3-5 seconds to unload all your shots and takes 1-3 seconds to rev up a mini gun. Your scenario only works if I’m point blank and you know how fucking hard it is to get close to a heavy? You have to be behind that motherfucker to do any real damage.

Patched. Can't change your interp while alive.

>Pyro has flamethrower out
>Scout stays well back, accepts reduced damage for guaranteed safety, kills you slowly
>Pyro has shotgun out
>Scout dips in as close as he can for his shots, then back out, relying on his speed to dodge your shots and potentially even get close enough to take advantage of the greater damage at extreme close range
If a scout ever lets you airblast him when he knows where you are he's hopelessly incompetent.

Pick a gamemode that isn't 5cp and see how quick that changes.

Aaron? AARON? NO! NOOOO!

Classes like the sniper and spy thrive on chaos.
As soon as a team gets organized, even in the slightest, you'll keep pushing them back until you win the game

fuck you im rerolling

HOLY FUCK GIVE ME A 5

how is there no 5

You don't get to have a five