If you had to remove one class from TF2, who would it be?

Lmao shitters

Spy

Run back to your spawnlocker, faggot.

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Honestly fuck removing classes, what ought to be removed is matchmaking.
Even the team doesn't think it's a good idea but are afraid to remove it. Every fucking interview they talk about how terrified they are of pushing the community into any direction, and look at how "Balancing for competitive" went, bloody nuked all the community servers, made nearly every weapon in the game objectively worse, and straight up ruined the ability to play as certain classes (Spawn Team Wallhacks impact on playing spy)

the whole game
garbage game really

Engie

If theres no matchmaking, how would a competitive mode with a ranking system work in TF2?

Sniper

spy solely because of shity hit detection

Snipers that use sniper rifles are anti-fun
Soldiers that use damaging rocket launchers are anti-fun
Non-melee Demomen are anti-fun
Pyros are anti-fun unless used specifically to counter anti-fun soldier.

How did competitive in tf2 work for the 9 years matchmaking hadn't raped literally every other sub community in the game to death?

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it wouldn't, but that's okay because TF2 wasn't made for competitive mode with rankings, its very design goes against that. If they really wanted a TF2 with a competitive focus they should've made a new game like the jump from CS:Source to Global Offensive

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>How did competitive in tf2 work
it didn't lmao

You're implying the game needs it and that catering to competitive fags doesn't just result in terrible and boring balancing and game design decisions.

The competitive scene kills the charm and fun of games.

lol they fucked spy backstabbing so bad

random crits
/thread

forcing people to play certain classes and limiting the gamemodes to 6v6 or 9v9 killed competitive

competitive should mirror what happens in real matches just on a higher level

it was laziness to restrict the game, instead of embracing what made it so great

>autobalance*
FTFY

So what you're saying is that you are for random crits and you also want the game to die since hero based shooters all have competitive modes and have a bigger playerbase because of it.

Sniper.

Scout or Pyro.

random crits

Completely agree. The magic of TF2 is throwing a bunch of people into a server with thousands of weapon combinations and class selections, and trying your best to complete the objective. By banning weapons and calling on Valve to nerf other weapons into oblivion, you kill the spirit of the game.

Sniper is objectively the least memorable and fun, but Soldier pisses me off the most these days.

dog

Spy or Sniper.

Miss Pauling

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If all hero based shooters absolutely require an official competitive gamemode to survive, how did TF2 survive for years without one?

snipers, fuck them
>instakills you at max health from a far-away position
>alternatively, does fuck all for his team
just fuck that shit

Demoman. He's the only class they had to give an entirely new role to because he was too situational, and his new role was annoying as fuck.

sniper. he doesn't really add much new to the game except for existing to fill that fps staple. spy can do his job in a more engaging way then just standing still and clicking on a medic's head from far away

the game survived for years without a competitive mode due to the strong core gameplay, it'll do fine
>bigger playerbase
TF2 is over a decade old, no shit new games with more advertising will have more players

>Having to run 30 seconds to the front every time you die
fuck you user.

Probably the worst thing too is that all the changes are server side and can't really be reversed easily for community servers that might want to balance things differently.
Once it's gone, it's gone, even playing offline by yourself.

There's no way to make changes for yourself and any of your own games you might host, you're just forced to eat it. It's 2019 and there's still no comprehensive local solution for bringing the P2W items into offline games. You'd have to make them all from scratch or do some extensive reverse engineering.

for scout's eyes only

Sniper, without an Aussie stomping doubt

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>hot dog in rectum

TF2 survived for years because of trading autism and fantastic community-driven servers with a constant flow of new player-made content like custom maps.

MIss Pauling has that up-stuck vibe that makes me think when she finally jumps on your dick, she is draining you

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You know there's something really funny about this comic
The scout is using the sun on a stick, a legendarily bad weapon that nobody uses (Presumably because it's a promo item that is somewhat more distant from art style)
He's also wearing the Max's Severed Head, which is a relatively rare cosmetic before it got the fuck duped out of it.
Additionally, when this comic was made the Dangeresque Too wasn't equippable with the Dapper Topper.
And on top of all of that, it can only really get away with making the scout and the dapper topper "out of the artstyle" by blowing the fuck out of the saturation on them.

>pic
But the game takes place in the sixties

these

custom gamemodes too.
MyM and competitive did so much fucking damage.

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Heavy

*ahem*
git gud and cope while I seethe

Scout

Demoknight specifically. Useless shit half assed class that never should have been.
also remove cosmetics and all alternate weapons except for the first wave that were earned through achievements.

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>all those unique gamemodes like Stop that Tank and Arena Respawn are fucking dead due to community servers being gutted
>majority of custom gamemodes now are Deathrun, VS Hale and fucking Jailbreak for some reason
at least some servers still run custom maps but even then it's usually a limited pool or one gamemode specifically instead of fun maps or old classics like Waste or Garbage Day

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>everyone hates Sniper
So how do we fix him?

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Casual doesn't even serve its purpose anymore now that they brought back autobalance. Just go back to old pubs and quickplay. Imagine how popular the game would be again if they did that.

I don't find sniper fun to play as or against, though at least they are mostly easy fodder.

I am good at least enough to stomp some sniper faggot that's got a 3 inch stiffy over how well he can instant kill gibus wearing retards the only problem is I need those retards for cannonfodder so I don't get buttfucked by the other team for walking out of spawn
Your class is a fucking crutch and a tumor in multiplayer fps games

So what exactly does Sniper offer to the game? Aside from Spies and the occasional scout Snipers basically only interact with other Snipers and Pyro's who bop them with flares. They don't really have any unique aspects other than the fact the only counter-play to a high level one is to just not be visible or hope they are countersniped.

I never really feel like I was outplayed by getting shot in the head from halfway across the map by a corner humper. I take no joy in killing them or being killed by them. Its just tiresome.

Demoman.
Its just soldier for contrarians.

Engineer, I like playing him in guerilla ways but his necessity for teleports on offense and turtle-esque use of his sentry on defense makes him really fucking boring at times. Being all set up is the worst because there's nothing to fucking do except spycheck and be ready for the inevitable demo+medic. It's like guard duty, every other class can at least be active before being on their merry way, even the pyro. Engineer ends up being a slow scout that's somewhat tethered to the general area of their buildings, and if nothing's happening then it's fucking horrible and boring, like real guard duty. Fuck I hate guard duty.

keep him exactly as is because further balancing will just make every aspect of the class and by extension, the larger game, worse.

Companies need to stop trying to micromanage to shits on all sides that need to uironically get good. I've already had to watch Planetside 2 go to shit from its beta incarnation because of this exact issue (though it was already a walking abortion freshly killed by corporate mismanagement)

but that already exists

They're supposed to be high damage long range counters to Defense and soldier. Maybe if they actually update and buff the Heavy just a bit?

Let third parties manage their own leagues so that people that do want it can partake without it tainting the entire ecosystem. Even better if they actually go the extra mile and allow people to balance their own servers. Revamp the item system and introduce a framework for mutators and attributes that can be toggled and adjusted.

We never had this issue with Quake and Unreal Tournament.

but it resembles 1940s art

competitive never should have existed in this game. its whole thing is that its a bright, humorous, laid back time. then they decided to pack in a whole subgroup of trannies and faggots who can play 4 out of 9 classes and do the same exact thing over and over like robots, while trying to bend everyone else to their will. fuck them.

make the sniper rifle swerve and jolt if you move while aiming
add slight bullet drop off
limit a team to a maximum of 3 snipers and spies combined

sniper

anything spy can do sniper does better,
sniper can do anything better than spy.

I don't know about that but I am still baffled how they do not have a class that has tracking as their aim style. Like a lightning gun class. You get to track as heavy but he is very slow and the accuracy is whatever. Maybe they could had added a lightning gun for the Pyro because it would also make sense for the gun to ignite enemies.

its in the 70s currently.

...

minicrits on headshots unless fully charged.

or reduce the time until headshots after scoping by .4 milliseconds.

either or will drastically lower the skill floor so anyone can counter a godly sniper with good positioning. They will also force him to hard scope more which will make him easier to sneak up on.

and how is sniper going to destroy a sentry nest inside a room

Yeah mate sniper's really good at turning invisible, that no-good shapeshitting kangaroo

the black scottish cyclop will handle that

engineer, let pyro build teles or something

Pyro

Sniper 100%
Instant way to make a game more fun
by removing him
Could be replaced with an australian animal tamer or something

You posted him.

Face it the only thing keeping heavy+medic from completely ruining this game is they require people to play classes that are (thankfully) really unpopular to play.

Sniper

Obnoxious fucking cunts in any game.

>kill enemy sniper with charged bodyshot
>taunt
>mine the salt
Sniper offers a unique play experience.

spy is literally worthless

>Face it the only thing keeping heavy+medic from completely ruining this game

heavy medic is the backbone of a team.

Sniper. ANY other answer is wrong.
He's the only class that can do reliable long range combat whilst everyone else can only do short to mid range fighting, they exist just to annoy and interrupt fair fights.

I love all of them, I can't decide :(

No he can't
don't worry user I got your reference

this except the opposite

I'd remove OP

:(

based hivemind

>take out sniper
>make demoknight its own class, just call it Knight or Crusader or something
yay or nay?

spy is counter to engineer

anyone can fuck up engineer

just remove sniper rifle and give him a class built around huntsman.

i mean sniper rarely comes up in 6s because soldier, demoman, and scout are all ridiculously mobile at high levels and sniper can't snag a headshot before they close in unless he's the hand of god.

he's annoying to play against in casual but so is every class

>or reduce the time until headshots after scoping by .4 milliseconds.
>.4 milliseconds

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Engi wrench is a counter to spy, then, if you're going to be a retard

>They're supposed to be high damage long range
you don't fucking say.

sniper because he's mechanically shallow and makes spy worthless
then i'd buff spy

replace sniper with saxton hale, aka demoknight done right

i wish uberchain wasn't such a stuck up closet carpet munching bitch because her miss pauling art makes me diamonds and i wish she would make more like this

Medic because healers and invincibility are cancer but that also ruins Heavy as hes just a parasite that can't survive without Medic

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fuck hale
worst character in tf2 by a HUGE margin, doesn't work as anything but a one-off newspaper gag

I maintain -- If Sniper gets removed, keep the empty slot for an Engineer PDA upgrade that can build variants of autonomous Mann Co bots to fill his slot.

Sniper

>upgrade
I mean sidegrade.
The bot building PDA could only deploy 1 bot at a time per player up to a cap from a selection of variants. The bot PDA couldn't build sentry turrets, teles, or dispensers, but could potentially work with the detonator so that you could detonate a kind of suicide bot on command.

.4 seconds whoops.

>owns the largest gun manufacturer and supplier in the US, possibly the world
>never uses guns and always fights animals in hand-to-hand combat
pretty based

soldier

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hale is like emblematic of TF2 slipping into pure slapstick and losing all of the super-spy influencing

I'd say GMod was the biggest cause of that, as well as how the community naturally gravitated towards slapstick comedy for most TF2-related material. Hale may have started as a simple joke that spiraled into its own thing but you could also argue the same for several of the classes like Soldier or Demo

Sniper simply because all the maps are too small for sniping safely. Even on 2fort you're 5 seconds away from a soldier market gardening your ass. I know he has a melee and secondary but if the point is shooting people from far away there has to be a far away first.

oh fuck off you faggoty weenie I already get enough of the TF2 was a super serious, very serious game shit from Mercenary badges, I don't want to hear it over here too

Why valve never releases the official Hale model and give a shoutout to vs. Saxton Hale is indicative of their laziness.

The idea of two identical teams fighting over worthless land in shoddy buildings is silly already, I don't get why a conga dance is immersion-breaking.

silly take, everything gets perverted into memes in gmod

tf2 was always a goofy game with elements of slapstick from the very start

tf2 also had a clear theme and artstyle that mystically vanished around 2011 when hats started becoming profitable and the lore was getting goofier and goofier outright, from "fighting over a briefcase of secret intelligence between paper-thin shell corporations that are actually secret spybases" to "loading magic australian gold that turns you into a buff superhuman aussie into a spaceship to send a monkey called "poopy joe" into space

I think there's a difference

There would be a lot less balance issues if Pyro didn't exist as a class. Everything would be good at some things and bad at other things, and no one would be "better than pyro at things, but only just as good as pyro at everything else"

yes he can

>soldiers and demomen that play the game the way they're meant to are anti-fun

>I want to play spy with no counters

all-class counter to spy right here:

turn around

and how do i shoot the enemy if i keep turning around

that's only a problem if your team is already losing and you have to carry

the enemy team is one man down if they have a spy waiting for the point blank stab.

then what is pro-fun?

Pyro is the only front lines action class other than scout. The rest are for betas and pussies

Pyro beyond question
It's the only class in this game that truly does not fit

t. Spy

They need to remove Soldiers, Afterburn and Engineers to make the game fun

Also remove Natasha, too

Delete sniper rifle, force him to use bows

do this and make the arrows move faster but have a bit more drop

Sniper and spy have the same job, and since spy requires more work to get picks... obviously sniper should be removed. Picks should be rewarded by going closer to enemies, thus reflecting skill... not just hiding behind your whole team.
Essentially every class including medic has to AIM so sniper brings nothing new to the table, the only difference is that when the sniper player aims he can completely one-shot any other player.

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>larping as a butthurt scout main
too obvious

spy is easily countered by pyro or any player paying attention, whereas sniper has no counters except another sniper.

>1940s
look we all acknowledge the medic was definitely a nazi but the game takes place in the 60s

either pyro or spy, i can't decide
spy would be fine if he couldn't facestab and abuse lag for "trickstabs"
>not being a combat sniper

he can't sap or disguise
also getting picks in an easier fashion makes him a candidate for removal, since that's all he does and can ever do

Pyro

>not being a non-combatant sniper

what would he even do? just throw piss at everyone?

ban cheaters and fix the hitboxes

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You don't. People are just pussies and should go vaccinator medic or learn how to not walk in a straight line if they're getting fucked by a sniper

Medic, because pubs would look the same.

Holy shit

>new jarate variation lets him spam more jarate for team support

This, sniper isn't a fun engagement, it's just fun policing to punish people for not using cover. It doesn't add value, it's just the jannie of the map. Boring, nothing of value lost by removing it to allow to other classes to have more fun. Sniper is skillful, don't get me wrong, but it's boring both to play and to play against, like a fishing simulator where you wait around for a catch and then the prey has very little chance if the fisherman was set up properly.

>he doesn't like fishing

Medic

Solely to punish all the people who didnt thank their healer, which is well... everyone really.

>Outback Hotdog
>Level 283 Wiener
>"It's like Christmas morning."
>secondary
>you unzip your pants and hold your dick out, looks like the original when you're holding it
>hold m1 to spray piss on people until you're out of "ammo"
>can only refill in supply cabinets
>50% decreased primary weapon damage
>can extinguish fires

RWS would be proud.

oh yeah it could be part of a postal dude item set

It's only fun if the prey has a chance, and it almost never does in fishing. It's just a waiting game and an extended prelude to a certain dinner, no risk of loss beyond simply failing to trick anything.

Sniper and spy should be removed and replaced by a new class known as "the sniper"

Spy, that way we could have teammate outlines always on and pubs would have better coordination.

Hat.

Sniper

Spy even though it's Gay Ben's favorite

engineer

Soldier or demoman because i can't play them for shit. I guess i'd keep the latter because i appreciate him more, strategically

reverse damage ramp, the closer the target, the less damage the headshot will be

it's a waste of effort explaining that to these retards

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I only played sniper in some afk trade server, still have all my best stats from that

>cant play soldier
How bad can you be

spy

I'll agree that a really good sniper or spy is a huge pain in the ass but nigga just go scout and run up to the sniper from a side route like dude just spray everything with flame as pyro and you'll get the spy