Are indie games getting worse or are my standards getting too high?
Hollow Knight raised everyone's standards for what indie games should be.
how? that game is shit
If your game can be beaten under 2 hours it better be fucking amazing to warrant not getting a refund and most games, not just indie games, are not that good.
They were never good
You're shit.
>WOOW BUG GAME :OO
>May, 29 2017
Why are you bringing this up?
What did you play?
What are you aiming to play?
Do you just want to spew?
Yes, but in the other hand Steam allows anything.
This, I can't even enjoy metroidvanias that are generally considered great like ESA because they simply pale in comparison to HK.
They're about the same as always. A really good one comes out every once in a while and the vast majority are unironically soulless garbage. It's compounded recently by all the faggots who are just in it because they think it's a get-rich-quick scheme like those soi-infused devs for that one game that was getting a bunch of threads last week. Just pirate like any AAA game.
That entirely depends on what your philosophy of an "indie" game is.
Are you referring to all games without one of the established publishers support?
Are you referring to games that include some level of publisher support but in a hands off type development?
Do you mean garbage churned out by AcAdEmIcs that got told to fuck off from a real programming job because of their shitty attitude?
hahahahahahaha
>combat feels like a fucking flash game
>everything looks the fucking same
>have to grind money to obtain the privilege of a functioning fucking map
it's like they looked at cave story and said "how can we copy this but make literally everything about it worse"
> Do you just want to spew?
yes
please keep posting in my thread, human interaction makes me feel useful :c
>game literally about bugmen
>its trash
Who wouldve thought?
That's a shame, I played ESA after HK and I hella enjoyed it
That said, I played ori after hollow knight and I fucking hated it
bugs are a woefully underutilized thing to base a cast of vidya characters off of but at the same time the characters in HK are barely recognizable as anything more than "fun little silhouettes with masks" so maybe that's part of why i didn't like it at all.
Recommend some good indies.
This post kind of encapsulates my confusion with this thread.
Nothing was said here. There's no message, not idea, no point, just a bunch of vague buzzwords cobbled together that aims to tackle a big subject, but is really a whole lot of hot air.
I've been playing Indie games near exclusively for a long time, and I've been happy with many of the games I've been playing. I've been recently playing ZeroRanger and Lobotomy Corporation, and they were great fun. What do people mean when they say "Are indies getting worse"? Do they mean that there hasn't been some super massive, overly advertised trend game coming out? Do they mean that they're mad that small games are indeed, small games? Is it an issue of difficulty? Graphical prowess?
What are you people talking about?
>metroidvania raising standards
don't take retards like him seriously, Yea Forums constantly cries about how big publishers ruin games but when small indie devs are able to get their work published it gets shit on just as hard. you're in the wrong fucking place and so am i. time to die
No.
Not sure but... you really needed 2 bux refunded?
Really?
You're playing the wrong indies. You should try Dead Cells. Lots of fun.
If you could get a refund from a game you beat and didn't like, why wouldn't you do it? Especially when Steam Refunds are automated anyway
>roguelite
>floaty flash game combat
no thanks
>>floaty flash game combat
hell no. I hate floaty flahs game combat. The is not like that at all. It's better likened to a more actiony SotN.
The freeware version of Cave Story and Kero Blaster.
I usually end up trying a few indies out every year, the only one actually worth anything is Baba is You.
i'll give it a shot next time it's on sale, but you better not disappoint me. watched a little footage and the enemies are just flopping all over each other and overlapping with no weight at all.
baba is you rules but it's also impossible for brainlets like me
So the standard is in the gutter you mean?
hollowknight cocksuckers are the most annoying fags on this board right now
YASSS
Or you could just pirate the game and not be a pussy indian giver
Are you really petty enough to jew some indie dev out of two dollars and twenty-seven cents?
You know whats even better than refunding a game?
>get sold a shitty product
>im the one jewing them if I ask for a refund
Die frogposter
Having played so many flash games, I see most indie games as not worth paying for.
The reality is by allowing anyone to release their work on Steam, and by the nature of indie as a category, the large majority of titles are going to be just that - short, underwhelming, and sometimes plain shit.
what the fuck does it have to do with cave story? There's nothing like losing weapon levels when getting hit, which is the sole distinctive feature of that game.
You don't think $2.77 is a decent price for an hour of entertainment?
If the game is dogshit would you pay $2.77 to waste your time?
Your standards can't be high if you wasted an hour on that game
>but make literally everything about it worse
You're a fucking normgroid retard that found out about hollow knight after it caught on and have probably never played any indie games before then. Just shut the fuck up
Yes
No, fuck off, nigger
If it was dogshit I wouldn't play it for an hour
it's an metroidvania, which is "like cave story," but everything about it is disappointing.
there's only like one or two movement upgrades in cave story. Does that really warrant calling it a metroidvania?
Most of the indie titles are shit since they're made by literal whos or just small teams. You shouldn't play an indie thinking it's gonna be the next Hollow Knight, Cave Story or whatever, since that the fact of an indie being actually good is a rarity
Zero Ranger, Monolith, and Devil Engine are all fantastic STGs.
>being such a jew that you're refunding a $2.77 shmup
>acting like an hour isn't a perfect length for a normal mode run of a shmup
absolutely abhorrent post
Baba is You is still me GOTY so far, what a great game
based and babapilled