Banjo and Kazooie in smash bros Thread!

We all know this is bait, guys, just ignore this kind of post and continue with the thread

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Taxi-Pack would be the absolute best grab for them but we'll have to see if Sakurai agrees. I'll be fine if they just do a standard grab/or wrench grab, but not using the Taxi Pack would be a missed opportunity.

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What if their down special can spawn any type of egg that you can find in tooie? The clockwork kazooies could be something similar to bowser jr’s mechakoopas, they are slower but cannot be picked up

>What do you guys think the rest of their moveset will be?
Dair will certainly be either Drill Bill or Beak Buster
Fair will be Rat-a-Tat Rap
DSmash and Nair will be Pack Whack and Wing Whack, or vice-versa
Very curious what their upward-facing moves will be, they have no moves in their arsenal that face upwards.
I HOPE that the other four egg types will be there, Clockwork Kazooie could be a better version of Mechakoopas, taking control away from BK and giving you a tiny bomb that you have complete control over, allowing for risk-free edgeguards.

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I wondered something similar, if their gimmick would be that the Egg Shot (Neutral B), Breegull Blaster (Neutral-B Held) and Egg Lay (Down-B) all share the same eggs and you switch eggs by pressing shield+B, similar to Inkling. Each egg has different properties.
>Blue Eggs fire the fastest with the least end-lag
>Fire Eggs do slightly more damage but take slightly longer
>Ice Eggs can freeze but are significantly slower
>Grenade Eggs are the slowest but do the most damage, percent/knockback wise.
>And Clock-Work Kazooie eggs are single drop explosives that act like Mecha-Koopas that you can only have one out at a time.

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>Any ideas for their victory animations?
Jiggy get
Kazooie pecking his head, followed by Banjo wringing her neck
Banjo doing the final riff from the intro song, then posing

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>What songs/spirits do you think will be included?
[REMIX] Intro - Banjo-Kazooie
[REMIX] Spiral Mountain - Banjo-Kazooie
[REMIX] Click Clock Wood - Banjo-Kazooie
[REMIX] Final Battle - Banjo-Kazooie
[REMIX] Mr. Patch - Banjo-Tooie
[REMIX] Glitter Gulch Mine - Banjo-Tooie
[REMIX] Klungo Battle - Banjo-Tooie
[REMIX] HAG 1 - Banjo-Tooie
[REMIX] Intro - Diddy Kong Racing
[REMIX] Opening Number (Instrumental) - Rare Replay
Bonus Round - Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
Banjoland - Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
Showdown Town - Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts
Windy and Co. - Conker: Live and Reloaded

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Lmao banjo will never be in smash you raretards

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>That much nuts and bolts
Kys

Nuts and Bolts had fantastic music you stupid parrot

I know how much people hate N&B’s gameplay, but you have to admit that it had really good music

I'm hoping for an industrial medley, Clanker's Cavern, Rusty Bucket Bay, and Grunty Industries would be sex

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No, even that is lackluster in comparison to the series standard. The original tunes are absolute trash, and all it has left at that point is remixes of previous series music that ranges from shit tier (pause menu theme is reduced to a literal 15 second loop) to alright, but still not good enough to include over the originals.

Implying he's not an assblasted false flagging discord cuck

>No, even that is lackluster in comparison to the series standard
Wrong
>The original tunes are absolute trash
Wrong
>and all it has left at that point is remixes of previous series music
Wrong, not counting Banjoland, the only "remixes" are small nods to them in otherwise completely original pieces

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Based smoothbrain

I accept your concession

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I'm curious how Spiral Mountain will work, so far we've seen.
>Stage rotates
>Platforms
>Bottles appears at some point
>The bridge appears and leads to Grunty's lair, its an area you can walk on
>Mumbo appears from Grunty's lair
>Grunty appears
I wonder if the bridge and Grunty is part of the stage itself as a weird sort of transition, or if it's an entirely seperate modified version of Spiral Mountain for Banjo's Classic mode as a boss like others have suggested?

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Any ideas for their alts?

Imagine typing all this out unironically.

>Default
>Pink (Mumbo-Jumbo)
>Black (Black Bear and Bottles)
>White (Polar Bear and Boggy)
>Green (Klungo, Grunty, Jolly Roger)
>Orange (Conker)
>Tuxedo and Tie (N&B Ending)
>Dragon-Kazooie (Tooie)

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Since Mumbo Jumbo appears on the bridge I'm think the bridge is probably part of the regular stage. It might also be a boss arena but it'd be a bit weird to just have Mumbo stroll by in the middle of the boss battle.

That confirms it

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At first it DOES seem really ironic, but think about it.

>Konami is so far gone they'll gladly give Simon, Richter, Snake, Bomberman AT and a shit ton of tracks for a check.

>Microsoft has shown they know jack shit what to do with Rare, and good guy Phil was a good enough dude to make this happen. If Don Mattrick was still running M$ we would be fucked.

>Square-Enix not only cares about their ongoing franchises to an autistic level, the rights for the music to FF and DQ have insane legal complications.

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I think that the bridge gets destroyed at some point, and mumbo appears to fix it with his magic

Judging by the camera angle here, it could be that Mumbo appears at the entrance of Grunty's Lair to warn Banjo-Kazooie (like in Tooie) before Grunty flies down and starts the fight.

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I hate medleys.

why'd they make Banjo gain weight for Smash?

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He still hasn't fully recovered from Nuts & Bolts

ahaha

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The Earthbound medleys in Smash are kinda bad.

It’s not that he’s fat, it’s just that his head is a little smaller,

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You're both retarded, N&B does have multiple good original tracks, but the majority of the tracks ARE remixes and even the best "original" tracks like Showdown Town and the space level have segments that are remixes, in these cases to Jinjo Village and Mad Monster Mansion respectively.

Noted.

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Grant Kirkhope lost his touch after Tooie.
He hasn't made any good tracks since.

I think his creator said that he thinks Nintendo took inspiration from his original concept art of Banjo for his modern overhaul. Banjo being stockier helps contrast Kazooie's lankiness a lot more. I like it personally, makes him seem stronger.

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the spiral mountain remix for smash is pretty damn good honestly, one of the few smash remixes i don't hate.

I wasn’t the same person you were replying to.

He made the spiral mountain remix, and that track is godlike

Viva Pinata was unironically great.
youtube.com/watch?v=Y_7nRrnNjTs

It's just the same treatment Peach for example gets in Smash. More "mature" proportions.

There's a bunch of great tunes of his in the Mario+Rabbids game, and Yooka-Laylee had some standouts too.

SMASHED SLAMMED

I honestly really like his Nutz and Bolts design

>that makes him seem stronger
Speaking of that

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I'm ready to fucking play as them already.

Not only because I've waited 20 years. But also because I've wasted my time since the game came out trying to make K. Rool work and I can't stomach it anymore.

>Beak disjoints
>Seriously nice range and relatively (to K. Rool) nice speed on his moves
>Can act out of recovery
>Uncharacteristically fast run speed because of Kazooie
>Projectile you can walk during
>Item play explosive projectile
>Mini DORIYAH
>Button to literally just shrug off any attack and run up on a nigga
>All on a character only slightly bigger than Diddy Kong

All of the fanservice after 20 years is wonderful but at this point I'm most excited for the mechanical breath of fresh air. It's gonna be nice to switch from a bottom 5 character to a DLC character.

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K Rool will never get buffed thanks to retards bitching about him for weeks during launch. It's embarassing.

A Washing Machine

in b4 discord

Yeah I think he's gonna be a lot of fun to play.

That remix FUCKING SLAMS

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Standard Banjo Kazooie
Mumbo Banjo and Kazooie (The Pink one that's been revealed)
Conker Banjo and Kazooie (Orange Banjo, Blue Kazooie)
Gruntilda Banjo and Kazooie (Green Banjo, Black Kazooie)
Boggy Banjo and Kazooie (White Banjo, Orange and Red checkerboard Kazooie)
Chilli Billi and Chilly Willy Banjo (Red Banjo, Ice Blue Kazooie)
Dragon Kazooie
Low Poly Banjo and Kazooie

I'll always have a special place in my heart for the king (and Donkey Kong) but I gotta go with Banjo-Kazooie, they're my most wanted that I always thought was a pipe-dream up until the ballot and Phil's comments. I can't wait to see the rest of their move-set.

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Smash bros you need to get in here NOW;

discord.gg/J4USHAu

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we are soon gonna have PlayStation characters fight on an Xbox stage in an official Nintendo game. Fall is very exciting

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Stop

youtube.com/watch?v=558vyK0PdwI
Will he make a new video with the recent news?

>In the Fall we'll be able to have Banjo, DK, Diddy, and K. Rool FFAs
The Rare bros having playful sparring sessions

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Glad they finally added Banjo-Kazooie, now maybe we can actually start getting missing Rare content in earnest for future Smash games.
>Spirits/Trophies for Rare IPs like Killer Instinct, Conker, Viva Pinata and Battletoads.
>Conker/Fulgore/Mumbo/Joanna Dark/Rash Assist Trophies
>Motion Sensor Bomb is returned to it's Perfect Dark iteration like it was originally intended and the Cloaking Device item is brought back.

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Did they show all his colors yet?

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>killer instinct tracks in smash

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no

They've shown a single color

I’m putting all my money that his alts won’t be anything special and will just be soft pastel version of the Jinjos.

Not yet

Nuts and Bolts BK

I don't know, this isn't Sega we are dealing with and their autism about Sonic being blue. Sakurai usually does 3rd-Party characters justice in their alts and Microsoft is actually chill enough to let him.

Every DLC Pass character has come with an alt so far. Banjo will be no different.

>What songs do you think will be included
tracks straight from games
youtube.com/watch?v=pPUn5biib1c
youtube.com/watch?v=VB-WvKoBZgA
youtube.com/watch?v=hx31tgxpZk4
youtube.com/watch?v=250po9Odwl4
youtube.com/watch?v=AgiwKT7JXEM
youtube.com/watch?v=bcTk-xyIkug
youtube.com/watch?v=o9Z9g_hpJJA
remix of gruntilda's lair
remix of final battle
remix of click clock wood

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KYS

Anything but that honestly. Low-Poly Banjo, hell you can even give him a tuxedo alt to reference Nuts and Bolts, but I don't ever want to see blockbear again.

Hm, that’s true. Never thought of that.

Dragon Kazooie
N&B Banjo & Kazooie
The tuxedo/bow tie from N&B

I still can't believe it banjobros

we won

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>tfw Microsoft and Rare are so lenient on IP that Nintendo could ask for like 50 different songs and a fuckton of spirits from every single Rare game there was and they'd probably be more than happy to oblige
>it'll never happen though because then the Banjo pack would very clearly be a better deal than the Dragon Quest pack
If this was base game or something I would fully expect them to go hog wild with Rareware content in the same vein as Castlevania but I can't really see it happen because every other pack has been strictly one franchise
I think we'll get a Conker Mii costume if we're lucky but that's about it

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>What do you guys think the rest of their moveset will be?
Ground pound as the down air so I can spam it like the shitter I am.
Those weird pack attacks from Tooie for the grab.
>Any ideas for their victory animations?
Banjo tapping on the screen then posting with the banjo
Jiggie get animation from Kazooie
Mumbo transformation with multiple outcomes including pumpkin, warus, ant, and of course the washing machine
>What songs/spirits do you think will be included?
youtube.com/watch?v=F-ib8mQxQG4
youtube.com/watch?v=FBSG6O5cfKY
youtube.com/watch?v=fOmFdMXQaK8&t
youtube.com/watch?v=VB-WvKoBZgA
youtube.com/watch?v=bKv9WeS8BOs
>Is there going to be a Gruntilda boss fight?
God I fucking hope so. All signs point towards yes.

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my nigga

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Hey that was my post. Based.

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That's why the next Smash game is going to be loaded. Banjo-Kazooie will more than likely be base-roster just like every other DLC fighter before and that's going to be when Sakurai injects an absolute over-dose of as many Nintendo associated classic Rare IPs as possible.

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Worh how they used Banjo-kazooie in part of their advertisements show that Nintendo is thrilled to pieces to bring them back. I predict them getting the Castlevania treatment, or a watered down version on terms of Quantity.

Gimme those KI tracks

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Why?

>Mick Gorgon's music in Smash
My dick is already hard

Here's something I haven't seen anyone mention:
To kick Smash Top 8 @ EVO off, Smash Ultimate had a hype video to get everyone in the crowd excited:
youtu.be/6lucVHaPa-Q?t=9h54m55s (at the 9:54:55 mark in case the link doesn't work).
However, the notable thing about the hype video is that the song used for the trailer isn't actually a song from any Smash Bros. game. It's a remix of Lockjaw's Saga from Donkey Kong Country 2:
youtube.com/watch?v=y25IKVRKpYk
Because of this, I'm curious. Considering the song is indeed a Rare song, I was wondering if its possible that this is actually a remix that will be used in a future update, perhaps alongside Banjo's inclusion. Is it possible that the Banjo update will also come with more remixes of Rare songs outside just the Banjo Kazooie tunes? Is it possible we could get Diddy Kong Racing tracks in the game?

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Dash Attack is likely to be the Roll form the first game. What would be cool is if his Fair was the Beak Bomb, have it send him at a forward-downward angle for a distance until he hits someone or something, reaches the end of it and drops down a bit if he hasn't landed, or reaches the ground.

I can, I always though the bear and bird had a great shot since Phil's comments and the ballot. Retards kept trying to shout us down and ignore the evidence, but honestly it just kept piling up.
>Phil's comments
>Ballot running simultaneously as Yooka-Laylee kickstarter
>Lootcrate's NDA fiasco
>Cable Guy
>Phil's uncharacteristic silence despite always being very vocal/open to fans about Banjo in Smash before
>Cable Guy's new figurine

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DSmash will either be Banjo spinning in place with Kazooie's wings out or Kazooie does a Charizard and slaps people with her wings.

I don't think Nintendo has anything to do with EVO. Whoever made the video probably just likes DKC2.

>Lootcrate's NDA fiasco
it was pretty funny when people were shook up about this, and it was actually hard evidence. I don't really understand why they took down an innocent tweet so hard, though.

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There'd better be an Easter egg involving Grunty talking about the characters on the stage.

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Opening theme: youtube.com/watch?v=dQNAVqW1shA
Spiral Mountain: youtube.com/watch?v=VSP9lx2OyK8
Gruntilda's Lair: youtube.com/watch?v=FWhKyk-4j6I
Mumbo Mix (Mumbo's Mountain, Mumbo's Hut themes, and Mayahem Temple, all set to Gangplank Galleon style rapping featuring Mumbo's voice)
Treasure Trove Cove: youtube.com/watch?v=3nxFYoGNJKc
Freezeezy Peak: youtube.com/watch?v=bKv9WeS8BOs
Rusty Bucket Bay/Clankers Cavern Medley
Click Clock Woods Medley of all 4 seasons
Final Battle: youtube.com/watch?v=VB-WvKoBZgA
Jinjo Village: youtube.com/watch?v=_oXPFtv818c
Isle O' Hags: youtube.com/watch?v=hx31tgxpZk4
Mr. Patch: youtube.com/watch?v=fOmFdMXQaK8
Grunty Industries: youtube.com/watch?v=i-cMNIsfrjc
Hailfire Peaks Medley
Fun N Games: youtube.com/watch?v=Ex6iN6AWJ1o
HAG 1: youtube.com/watch?v=250po9Odwl4
Grunty's Final Challenge: youtube.com/watch?v=u4jlk2x3Om0

Victory Jingle: youtube.com/watch?v=unjqNlr1w6w
Post Jingle music (ala Cloud and Joker): youtube.com/watch?v=BWzc_jgpIzg (Also plays on the spirit board)

This is it

I'm just glad Banjo got in. You guys waited long enough.

Phils comment was worthless. EVERY DEV wants their character in

>Ridley
>K. Rool
>fucking Banjo
Sakurai is trying to give me a heart attack

He's the one that let it happen, wasn't he?

She's kinda scary looking in HD

I do hope the wrench is used, though I want it to be used as just a blunt object. Dont even use it for its intended purpose. Taxi pack is the best idea, and Sakurai has shown to be aware of almost every aspect of their moves. I have faith in the guy.

I'm really torn on the Tooie multiplayer skins being alts.
On the one hand it's a great reference to a part of the game I spent a disproportionate amount of time on compared to the average person. (Strict household so Tooie's multiplayer was my Goldeneye/Perfect Dark stand-in). And I love that they remind me of how Smash 64 alts looked (which was likely the intention when Rareware designed them for Tooie, IMO).

But on the other hand the strict 8 alt limit means adding the 3 Tooie multiplayer skins severely limits the possibility of alt colors that are cool references to other characters.

>Vs Lucas
>The ESPer without a mother
>At least you still got your brother.

Phil Spencer was objectively the most high profile guy to speak up.

The owner of an indie company and the guy in charge of a whole fucking console are not comparable.

Don't got to dream and pray no more, user. Sakurai is going all in. When the next Smash game is inevitably made, who else would you want? Is there anyone else?

Looking at how they are now, I have a feeling that lootcrate took out the tweet and item because the manufacturer pulled out due to LC's poor sales. In hindsight I doubt they knew anything about their inclusion and it was just one big misunderstanding

But Banjo-Kazooie fans thought that there was no way Microsoft would work with Nintendo and he disproved that. Phil's comments about Smash, combined with the fact that a year later, when EVERYONE from Wayforward and Mojang was chatting about how cool their character would be in Smash, Phil wouldn't even make a peep. Despite TWICE, once without even being prompted, talked about wanting Banjo in Smash. That stunk of being under NDA.

>people desperately hoping for Grunty to be a new boss
she's a stage hazard
she'll destroy the bridge and Mumbo will repair it

I only want Midna and Waluigi

>reference to Blue Oyster Cult's Godzilla song
I like you.

Anyone that said that banjo would never get in Was just being retarded

Ultimate is already perfect. No need to make another smash game

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it's easy to call people retarded once a character you like is already in smash

I could understand pulling the item, but deleting the tweet wouldn't have changed anything. The tweet had nothing to do with mentioning their latest loot-crate. Plus, I believe I recently read somewhere (before the announcement of their bankruptcy) that the BK item was back for their August crate this year.

>I'll pass on the dissing,
>since your dad's lost his head,
>your brother is missing,
>and your mother is dead!

>implying that ugly bear cunt will return next game

Retard

>a super soldier with quite the acclaim, he hides so well he missed the last game!

>how does he hold a sword so big when his noodle arm is such a twig?

>a fellow witch, a sight to see! Her snark and skills fill me with glee!

>this visionary teen packs quite the punch, but can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

mad bcuz bad

Stevies can seethe and wine all they want,
Banjo will continue to wave his invite and flaunt!
A chance to enter smash has been blocked out,
And now all Stevies can really do is just pout!

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Spiral mountain is already a medley user.
youtube.com/watch?v=VSP9lx2OyK8
>Rusty Bucket Bay
>Treasure Trove Cove
>Grunty's Lair
>Mumbo's Mountain
>Freezeezy Peak

We'll be getting individual tracks rather than more medleys I guarantee.

>Nintendo will totally cut Banjo next game!
>Despite being the most well-received Ultimate newcomer so far
>Despite Microsoft and Nintendo being on good terms
>But he will because I, a random user on Yea Forums, say so!
Didn't we already have this argument before?

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>That Wario fellow's such a hunk, I love the smell of his garlic funk!

Based gruntyposter

>a pack of heroes who are not here for playing
>they should use their powers, if you get what I’m saiy-wait can I reference that? Like.....legally?

>So you wanna play your Mario games...

>implying that Steve will get in next game
lmao retard

First four will be default + the BT multiplayer alts for sure

>Playing Little Mac with TJ Combo's Theme in the back-ground

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Yes faggot we did, continue to suck your ugly bear cunts dick, it won’t be much longer til you’ll be disappointed

Why aren't you banned for being a massive faggot yet

474266918
Good to know it's the same assblasted twat with no real arguments except what he feels. No more (You)s for you, like I agreed.

>songs
Never ever, but I'd love to have a remix of the Battletoads title/main theme.
>"Nobody played as you, let's just be clear; you're only back because Everyone is Here!" (Pichu or Young Link)
>"Oh... That's neat. Another fire Pokémon. All this creativity is making me yawn!"
>"A waste of a character, you make me balk, from the top of your head to the bottom of your stalk!"
>"Four losers who call themselves the Hero, but personally, I would have preferred zero!"
>"Sad little robot, outdated and lame, it's no wonder you only got two games!"
>"Your processing may be a blast, but your skill comes in at dead last!"

I don’t even like Steve or minecraft, I would rather Nintendo adds more of the most wanted first party characters over shit from micro$

That shot of BK before Grunty's lair with the ominous music cue doesn't help.
>the 32 second mark has a sound similar to before the other boss fights
twitter.com/PAMVLLO/status/1143526202705141760

>most wanted first party characters
Who?

I'm sorry, your name isn't on the list

>Kazooie makes her noises while running
Perfection.

>Joker the thief, people think he's so cool!
>But his arcana's not the only thing that's The Fool!

Duh retard I’m not doing anything worth to be banned like that fucking eightfag spamming the discord is.

Yeah keep telling you that until you believe it, Steve

Although everyone hates Nuts and Bolts. The soundtrack was actually one of its positives.

youtube.com/watch?v=ms0PFHJ5n_M&t=109s

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Why haven't you learned to ignore him yet?

I'd better not see you bitching about the lack of a boss fight once they're out

All first party choices like Waluigi or Ashley are shit
stay mad about the based 3rd parties

You'll have to change Banjo for the dragon kazooie skin. kazooie isn't out that much.

(You)
Gruntyposters are some of the greatest people on this board.

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youtube.com/watch?v=akj5fzKTDLo

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Nope cause it’s not true.

Banjo: hey, who let you out of your cuck shed? It’s time to go back!!! Guh-huh!
*WHIRRRRRRR*
Steve: OH NONONO I DON’T WANT TO GO BACK AHHHHhHHHhH
*Plop*

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>Any ideas for their victory animations?
I want this to be one of them

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>durr stevie
nigga, I'm happy banjo is in smash but I know Winky will just be a hazard

Now that'd be based

Quit shilling your channel and unfunny video.

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>Spirits
Banjo & Kazooie (Fighter Spirit)
Bottles the Mole
Mumbo Jumbo
Jinjos & Jinjonator
L.O.G.
Gruntilda Winkybunion -> Gruntilda WInkybunion (Skeleton Form & HAG 1)
Tooty
Klungo
Captain Blubber
Cheato
Boggy the Polar Bear
Mr. Patch
Would have put Humba Wumba in place of LOG but after G&W, I doubt they'd put her in.

>GUYS THERES NO FUCKING WAY NINTENDO WOULD APPROACH MICROSOFT FOR A FUCKING DEAD CHARACTER
>AND EVEN IF THEY DID MICROSOFT WOULD NEVER ALLOW IT THEY WOULD WANT TO PUSH MINECRAFT INSTEAD NOW COPE
>Phil Spencer after the reveal: "Easiest deal of my fucking life lmao"

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Based Phil Spencer, saving this shitshow industry

I expect a Jinjo hat and a Mumbo Mii swordfighter costume.

Thank you based Phil. Square was gay with Cloud.

I normally never touch the Mii Fighters but if I'm honest, I would pick up Swordfighter just so I could have Mumbo-Jumbo as my secondary to Banjo-Kazooie. It's a shame he was so boring to play as in Tooie.

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le epic banjo

"Mii Mumbo Jumbo, best costume in all Smash. Will fight alongside bear and filthy feathered one."

A mumbo costume is pretty much inevitable, he’s like the third protagonist of the series

I want this remix in the game so badly
youtube.com/watch?v=RavalfYLtww
Guess I'll just mod it in once Ultimate modding takes off

She might come with Boss Rush so that other characters can fight her without messing up WoL's design
If another boss comes with her expect rosterfags to establish "Boss Theory" to see who that character can serve as the boss of
Granted they'll do that anyways by insisting each character must have a different boss in classic mode expect this time its more cancerous since its patternfagging

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Having costumes of characters you like is honestly the only reason to play the Miis. They all feel pretty slow and bad.

>tfw when Dixie is still not in

Feels wrong bros

>FamilyJules
ah, yes, generic "metal" with extra reverb
truly peak kino remixes

>Ulitmate modding
>Banjo getting extra costumes through mods
Yes
YES

Gunner is unironically fun as hell. But was actually more fun in Smash 4 because they nerfed the hell out of the grenade launcher.

>complaining about speculative cancer when you're doing the same thing

A hail fire peaks remix would be sex!

I am hoping that we get more then just grenade eggs, and that it rotates in a specific order and she has ice eggs, fire eggs, grenade eggs, and even clockwork kazooie eggs that act like Junior's mechakoopa.
Dunno about music but I want Rusty Bucket Bay. Its one of my favorite songs.
I am also hoping for a Gruntilda boss fight, but I can't see it happening.

God I want some DKR Remixes
youtube.com/watch?v=xGzKZFhW-S8
youtube.com/watch?v=MMynY_klOGg
youtube.com/watch?v=rDmY89WASgM

Yeah from what I heard, he didn't really bother to bring his Poker Face to any kind of deals when Nintendo approached them about B-K

I saw nothing about a new item that wasn't the license plate.

Speculation isn't inherently bad
Its only a cancer when you resort to leaps of logic and mindless patterns with no solid ground
Especially when its a repeat offender

I wonder what those meetings looked like. He was probably thinking that he was fanboying in his head, but the others heard it
youtube.com/watch?v=L9kNRwngcJ8

>Its only a cancer when you resort to leaps of logic and mindless patterns with no solid ground
Like Gruntilda being a full-fledged boss fight accompanied by a boss rush mode?

Do you guys think Rare and Playtonic took the rest of the night off, and crash/buy up the pubson June 11

lootcrate.com/crates/gaming
August's theme is "Button Smash", exclusive gear for Galaga, Banjo-Kazooie and Soul Calibur. They don't say it's the license plate, it's a new item for this crate that has yet to be revealed.

Man Diddy Kong Racing music is so fucking good.

>Like Gruntilda being a full-fledged boss fight
Except people can make an argument that can be the case
youtube.com/watch?v=AZjKOa-qWO8
The part where she appears has a sound similar to that of Marx's boss fight introduction
There's also the already mentioned level design differences from what we've seen
Boss rush is only something people brought up because its likely the best way for other characters to fight her without tampering with World of Light's design

This is either a very dedicated bait, or one of the biggest examples of a Seethy Stevey in Yea Forums history. How anyone can take this moron seriously is beyond understanding.

I want boss rush in general. I don’t want to have to go back to WOL/Classic mode just to fight Marx/Dracula

>but the sound effect
>but potential spirits
>but Rayman in the ice
How are you any different?

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while we are at it can they make the Master Hand fight replayable as well

I'm not saying she will be a boss fight, but it's a very strange detail that is in the trailer. Why would there be creepy ambience for a regular stage where nothing is happening? I get the shot could be a recreation of the opening of BK right before you enter Gruntilda's Lair for the first time but then why the sound effect?

>mfw seeing the Spiral Mountain custom stages in Shared Content

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AND LET US REMATCH FUCKING SPIRITS WHENEVER WE WANT REEEE
I already beat them and own them let me fight them again for funsies.

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>In another timeline, where Rare was never bought out, we have Joanna Dark, Conker, and the Battletoads.

Well lets see, one is something that line up with a scene from an official trailer and matches a familiar sound while showing off a different layout of a stage from the one we already know.
The other is people staring at background ice from a stage completely unrelated to Rayman and trying to make something out of it.

Speculation is the fun side of smash, tournament players sticking to melee, being autistic about frame data, and not showering are the side of smash that sucks ass.

Not to mention that would get repetitive. If every fucking time I play Spiral Mountain, I have to watch through a janky cut-scene showing Grunty enter the fight. It would disrupt battles way too much and be way too annoying to ever play regularly.

>Button Smash
Clever. Now it makes sense. No way that theme name works for B-K in any way other than their smash inclusion.

What if we see other Rare characters on Spiral Mountain, like Conker sleeping on a tree stump

Isn't lootcrate going out of business?

No one at Playtonic knew, and from what I understand not many at Rare knew either. Nintendo is dead fucking serious when it comes Smash being a need to know basis.

>Elvis, Joanna, and the aliens from Tooie fly by in a saucer

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I mean after the reveal

Mentioned that earlier, I think they are still shipping people's August Crates though since I've seen people claiming that they got emails saying their boxes had shipped.

I wonder if I can order this and get it and I wonder how late I can do so. Also wonder what it is.

Good Banjo-Kazooie merch is hard to come by.

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>Microsoft: Yeah, we wanted to include more Rare IP spirits and songs and costumes but Square Enix objected
>SE somehow not only shits up representation of their own franchise but also other franchises

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I’m going to make sure to get the Banjo Kazooie amiibo right when it comes out. I only got the Ridley and K.Rool ones as of right now

Normally I'd say just grab it on eBay afterwards because Lootcrate merch rarely holds people's interest (hence their going bankrupt) but it will probably become extremely "rare" since it's one of Lootcrate's last boxes and Banjo-Kazooie merchandise stock just shot up thanks to Smash.

>yfw SE was behind Sonic not getting new remixes

>SE is the reason K.Rool got nerfed

I want someone to make a video of the company introductions before the Lifelight video when people boot up smash, like 98 Konami, 94 Rareware, SEEEEEEGAAAAAAA, SNES Capcom, etc

>last two characters are cancelled because SE didn't want them getting attention after Hero

fangamer.com/collections/banjo-kazooie
designbyhumans.com/shop/Rare/
There's definitely more than there was before. There's the BK Totaku statue for instance, the First Four Figures statue...

>SE is behind Mario losing his fire flower alt

>Square Enix is the reason Steve isn't in because they didn't want him cramping the release of DQ Builders 2

>Sakurai want to finally give DK his coconut gun, but SE objected

Villager too

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>Joker got multiple victory themes
>BK end up getting all their major fanfares as possible victory themes
>Jiggy fanfare as default
>Note Door fanfare when they win a sudden death
>All Jinjos Collected fanfare when they win with a final smash (and the Jinjos cameo in their victory freeze frame)
>randomly uses the Gruntilda transition effect (her profile + cackle) or the N&B Jigsaw tiling transition effect when leaving the results screen

The reality is that Banjo was always in, banjobro.

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>SE poisoned our water supply, burned our crops and delivered a plague unto our houses

I wonder what the item is.

>SE is the reason Microsoft bought Rare
>SE is the reason Ashley, Waluigi, Shadow, etc. have been stuck as ATs for so long
>SE is why Sonic Team haven't made a good game since Generations
>SE is the reason the Heavy update is taking so long
>SE is the reason Half Life 3 will never be released
>SE is everything wrong with the world

>SE was behind Nuts and Bolts

I wouldn't be so sure.

In Smash 4 Bayonetta and Ryu were allowed to outclass Cloud blatantly. On top of that, SEGA and Square Enix are two of the stingiest companies Sakurai is working with. Also despite what some people were saying, Joker DID release alongside non-Persona Mii content.

>Smash has not been allowed to compose any Sonic remixes (the one song labeled as a remix was composed for another project but featured in Brawl ahead of it's release)
>Anal about Sonic's color schemes and moveset
>Prevented Shadow from being a clone character
>Prevented classic universe characters from being spirits
Seriously if Green Hill Zone wasn't a classic universe locale I doubt they would have let the ONE (1) Mania song in that they did. The only thing Sega seems to be lenient about with Smash is allowing officially shelved characters to be spirits and other minor appearances. (SEGA has an official system for what characters are and are not allowed to be used)
>Bayonettas music situation is better than Sonic and Cloud's but still worse than Ryu, Simon, Snake, etc. Vocal themes were cut, even the ones that aren't Sinatra songs.
>Joker is far and away the best Sega representation in terms of music and it's just middle of the road
And Square Enix obviously requires little explanation, but I will add that the extent of their meddling probably goes deeper than the average person realizes.

Meanwhile everything points to Microsoft being unbelievably agreeable about Smash Brothers. The most we've seen so far is Banjo's shorts and backpack maintaining the same colors between 2 alts. We've also seen that Nintendo is going above and beyond for Banjo and Kazooie, as evidenced by specifically contact Grant Kirkhope who is 1. The games original composer, which Smash tends to avoid for remixes and 2. A western composer, a first for the Smash series.
I don't think you have to worry about the fanservice

>no tooie multiplayer colors

He looks better this way.

>SE is why Isabelle got in over Nook despite him having the bigger role in the upcoming game

Also the Rare logo on Banjo’s backpack when it opens, the reunion cheering with the Kong’s, Raring to go, etc

I have no idea how to beat k rool. Please inform a shitter.

>This one has me in a stitch, she dare calls herself a witch!
>This dumb jockey's no big hero, this birdbrain is a total F! Zero!
>Your little spells and tricks are gone, let a veteran show you how it's done!
>Eating fruits, pellets and ghosts, these are things even I can't boast!
>A silent hero garbed in green, your adulthood will never be seen!
>A silent hero stuffing his gut, I'll make sure to roast your butt!
>A silent hero with quite the large head, I think it's time for you to go to bed!

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Just bait out his slow ass moves and punish

There's also the fact that we know definitively that Nintendo has access to the entire Banjo-Kazooie series soundtrack, as Grant Kirkhope has gone on record saying he had the pick of any of the songs from the series he desired. Nintendo gave him 100% free reign to choose which means Microsoft/Rare gave Nintendo 100% free reign.

Not a single playstation character is in the game though.

That art is fucking awful

Joker

He's fat. Juggle him.

>muh steve
Rent free

I do that and he's deceptively quick and punishes me.
Do what with Joker

Cloud's origin is the Playstation 1.

Joker's origin is the Playstation 4.

From what we've seen so far, Sakurai and his team sure are putting a whole fucking attention to detail in B-K's kit and stage. Plus the whole "actually getting Kirkhope to compose the reveal trailer remix" thing.

It makes me wonder if Sakruai (or someone high up at Nintendo) has a lot of love for B-K. I remember hearing a similar thing when Mega Man was shown off for Smash 4, that Sakruai wanted to go above and beyond.

Hopefully one day they’ll both be in

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P5 was a PS3 game actually

Final boss is just Giant Bayonetta, dude.

He's slow as fuck with shit range. Juggle until you can smash. Don't go after him off-stage, just wait and punish his recovery.

That’s Kira Kira for you. The art is often something cutesy

He's a PS3 character

Joker has been the main character of a Nintendo game though

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>when a foreign console competitor is more cooperative with content than your fellow developers

But her art looks like dog shit

I think Sakurai is just the kind of guy who when he knows that the fans want something, he tries to make it happen as best he can. Sakurai knows people have been requesting Banjo-Kazooie since 64 and up to this point, had no way to satisfy that request even though he knew it was an obvious inclusion. I figure now, he's just happy to be able to make up for lost time and finally give the people what they want.

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Fuck it just make master hand fully playable in his own mode

Is there a better victory theme than the Jiggy-get tune?

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I think that would be the one they will use, but the note door jingle is also a pretty good contestant for their victory theme

He’s mostly very precise with representing guest stars, as if they’re ripped straight out of their games

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It's unfortunate such a fate fell upon Steve. Steveposting will probably start back up again once the next Smash is unveiled too. Shame.

Steveposters will be grown up by then, doubt it

There'll be people to replace them.

Who do you play?

Couple of general tips
>Bait out his attacks, everything but his jab has a punishable amount of start and endlag
>If he throws his boomerang try to jump over it and hit him away so he can't catch it, but beware of him pulling out the blunderbuss. If you grab the crown you take away his best tool and get a strong item to throw at him
>If he takes out the blunderbuss you can effortlessly jump over him and smash attack because it's the laggiest move in the whole fucking game
>His recovery gets entirely shut out by certain moves like Megaman's down air, but simply jumping over his propeller, going to his side and attempting to stage spike him is a great option
>Attack his back and his head to avoid stomach armor and counters
>Suck on the ledge can be countered by simply waiting for it to run out, if he puts it away run up on him during the endlag, NEVER CHALLENGE THE SUCC, go around it and take advantage of its ludicrous endlag. You can't roll through it, you can't disjoint through it, but there are good ways to punish it that involve positioning and patience
>Advanced Technique: Punish use of his stomach armor with fat disjoints, generally rack up damage on it and try for the shield break. Neutral air is the easiest to do this on.
>His down throw is stupidly easy to get out of if you mash well up to mid 100% range
>Keep your recovery unpredictable as you can to avoid spikes and suck and cucks
>Once he's in a disadvantaged state do everything you can to push the advantage, he's slow and big and weak to attacks from below due to lack of options for dealing with them
>Remember that he has a counter and reflector so he can punish anything hilariously telegraphed, but it doesnt work if you hit anywhere that isn't his stomach
>Some of his nastiest kill moves are uair and usmash, don't lollygag above him

All you can do is point out that they were wrong. Nothing will ever erase the massive L they got on June 11th.

youtube.com/watch?v=YxkqSaLBje0
youtube.com/watch?v=1e6h4yd5M5M

Do we know what his match start intro is?

I want more cartoony characters like Banjo, and less humans.

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Spawning into the map from the level platform

I personally don’t mind Steve getting in now tha banjo is in, It’s just that if he gets in,the stevefags will say that they won at the end, and will act like they never lost against banjo

No we don't. I'm hoping it's them Beak-Bombing onto the stage

No
>Mfw it's them crashing in with the beak bomb

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Mega Man's origin is the NES.
DK's origin is an arcade cabinet.

Mega Man is not a nintendo character.

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While this makes more sense from a mechanics perspective the beak bomb crashing in idea is a fun way to showcase the characters personalities

Who can take out k rool in the most braindead way? I'm open to suggestions, I suck with everyone.

Fuck bros why isn’t rayman in

Not popular enough in Japan, which is all that matters most of the time.

Guess Snake is a Microsoft character now.

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>I suck with everyone.
then the problem isn't k. rool

Just doesn't have the popularity to pull it off as much as it pains me to admit. Nobody in Japan knows who he is and even in the West, he's had his mascot position at Ubisoft usurped by Rabbids. Ancel needs to make Rayman 4, have it be an absolute Smash success and then hope Nintendo is willing to play ball.

I feel like it might happen at some point. I do find it weird how Sakurai has asked Ubisoft to have Rayman in 4 as a trophy and as a spirit in Ultimate but not any of their other characters (minus the mario rabbids)

I can beat other characters from players in my skill range, only with k rool is it so lopsided. I fall apart.

I remember being hated for posting this during the stage builder reveal.

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Even now I'm still pretty sure this wasn't a tease.

It’s not a Grunty hint

Because even then it was a stretch and I'm a Banjofag. There was plenty of other evidence to suggest their inclusion was coming though.

THEY DID?

>Banjo literally breaks the fourth wall at the start of every match by knocking on the screen before flying down to the stage.
Doubt they'll do it, but damn that would be funny.

It wouldn't be Smash/Sakurai if there weren't at least one oversight.

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>Dixie and Diddy have had more playable appearances in Classic DKC than DK himself.
Still boggles my mind, Kiddy should have been DK.

i guess rare didn't like dk that much?

I mean, it's like saying this confirmed Hero.

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Betting Mumbo will buff/debuff players a la Hocus Pocus

>the only Nuts & Bolts reference and you're forced to see it every time you play as them

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He has no choice. When it's a non-Nintendo character, he has to oblige to what the companies want. I somewhat wish the Nintendo circle of devs/companies pulled his leg, it's clear he definitely takes too many liberties with Nintendo characters when he feels the need.

More like they really couldn't do much with DK while Diddy and the other Kongs they could have more reign with. They even owned them while Nintendo only owned DK and Banjo.

Game and Watch.

If you spam bacon on the ledge with proper spacing K. Rool literally, LITERALLY has no response.
>Rolling in hits the frying pan
>Jumping over is nigh impossible and landing on the platform above gives game and watch free pressure on K. Rool's weakest angle
>Adding his recovery into the mix is a no-go because if you don't catch the ledge with his it's a free punish
>Can't get his projectiles out in time because Crownerangs super amor has a gap in it that lasts long enough
>Counter is too slow to get out, won't send the bacon back to him, the hitbox on his stomach won't reach far enough, and the bacon tends to hit above his stomach anyway
>Armor attacks are all too short to reach
>Standard attacks get cancelled by bacon
This is how I got shut out by a guy in a tournament last night when I was doing decent against him up until that point. It only works on the ledge, and is only this foolproof if he has a platform above him, but it completely shut me down. He also abused the fact that K. Rool's recovery can only do 1 thing in our second match by spamming command menu for kamikazees and magic bursts as hero. My literal only hope was him timing the move poorly enough that I could drop back down as it started. I went on to do alright against a sponsored player in losers with my Daisy secondary (still lost but I put up a good enough fight) and the whole experience has me wanting to drop K. Rool entirely. Unless he gets buffs (he never will because of people like you, sorry to be an ass but my mains bottom 5 and I'm frustrated, it's also true) because my entire effort can get shut down by a game and watch spamming b because he's bottom 5 garbage.

Also what this guy said . The only thing K. Rool can really do is read and punish mistakes hard and act as a pleb filter. You gotta get better at the game, especially neutral. If all you do is run in and go full offensive 100% of the time armor and counter can do a lot of work.

They probably just wanted to spite Miyamoto

Cope

>four banjos knocking on the screen at the start of a FFA

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inb4 he gets destroyed and complains about G&W being too easy to launch because he gets hit by smashes he can't read

>alternate timeline with Banjo being owned by Nintendo and the other Kong’s owned by Microsoft

>8 banjos

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>8 Banjos

>Diddy Kong is on the same level of Geno in terms of copyright bullshit
>Only Microsoft cleared that up with Ultimate
Banjo only now just got Grunty as a playable character

youtu.be/VQZIMh_TF5w

You guys tired of winning yet?

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Good ledge option but what am I doing when the match starts? What's the rest of my gameplan?

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I finally have Pac Man in a game with a bunch of other characters. I already won, but I love seeing others win, too ;)

>when you’re a girl and use a mic in voicechat

Holy shit

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holy fuck
>the knocks all stack so they blow out your speaker

Nope.

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>drowns out the countdown with TATATATAS and GUH-HUHS

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>GUH-

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thanks doc banjo

Damnit.....thanks doc

A Nuts and Bolts alt-skin or at least a spirit would be neat.
As for music, Treasure Trove Cove is a must-have. The rock cover of The Banjo Kazooie theme song from Nuts and Bolts would also be nice.
As for Grunitlda, possibly a boss or a stage hazard.

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Aw great, here comes that disgusting neighba of ours, DK64!

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One of the only N&B spirits I see is L.O.G being R.O.B with items and assists bring from old retro games (Pong, Galaga, etc)

Which music tracks are you lads hoping for?
youtube.com/watch?v=VB-WvKoBZgA
I think this should be a shoo-in but you never know.

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I can see ROB being used for a LOG spirit battle with Color TV-Game 15 spawning occassionally

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>having to number your speech bubbles
formatting a comic isnt hard

I always thought the ball was his mouth, but NOW I see those speakers being his smile

oh my god

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RELOAD

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Look man there's no one size fits all plan for neutral, even between two players playing the same character.

Don't just run in, bait out attacks by faking an approach, use bacon to force him above you then take advantage of him being shit at attacking below him. Don't focus on getting a big dick punish, if you get ANY hit on him he's now in disadvantage and you can push that further. Dropping fair bombs on him will keep him from punishing you with armor. And his bucket can reflect physical projectiles now so you can use that on crown and the cannnonball (and guess what? his moveset is so laggy that he LITERALLY CANNOT challenge your move with his own reflector, he can suck the cannon back into the cannonball but can only shoot that diagonally so just don't jump, alternatively, jump and counter because he can't suck it up from the angle it will hit him at. I hate this fucking character why did I play so much of him. His two projectiles are so telegraphed that a reflector that's remotely reliable like GWs will completely shut down all projectile use by K. Rool)

One thing to note for setting up the bacon is that K. Rool can basically only do 3 things off stage
1. If he's close enough he can shield dodge in
2. If he's close enough he can attack you to get you off the ledge and land
3. If he's at any further distance than that HE HAS to go low and recover by grabbing the ledge with his recovery, he has no other option but to do this and you can effortlessly set up the bacon wall on him. Literally just get him off stage once.
3.5. He may just fast fall and recover low even if he is close
And frankly Bacon will still be an incredibly good option for dealing with the first two.

youtube.com/watch?v=fOmFdMXQaK8
Hopefully there's a good spread for people to use in custom stages

I always just thought the monitor was his face and he was meant to be an indifferent bemused fuckhead 24/7

Lol

>That creepy toothy grin
Ok NOW he looks like a fucking Rareware character.

The cheetah dude can still get fucked though.

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His stage transforms from Spiral Mountain to 75m with ShowDown Town turning to 25m in sounds

It only looks like that in his promo art.

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Does it articulate or nah?

Enjoy your spirit fight with a fast Incineroar.

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what the fuck this looks like a shoddy photoshop

Nah. His eyes do things, though.

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Here's your next gen Banjo-Kazooie game, bro

It's so obvious a deviantART furfag handled the designs.

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>BK literally won the rights to Spiral Mountain at the end of N&B
>spent the time between then and Smash getting it ready and in ship-shape for the other fighters

Wasn't this designed by a gay furry or something

Because that's what it looks like

jesus christ those faceted body parts are so unappealing

I know for sure that a porn artist handled the character art for Klungo Sssssaves the World but I have no idea about the main game.

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Jolly Jack handled a bunch of the designs but I don't know if Piddles and Trophy Thomas were among them.

And I'll never forgive whoever changed Humba Wumba to be shorter than Banjo.

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>they had to wait until EVERYONE WAS HERE, even Ridley and K.Rool
>banjo completely objected to Ridley, but Kazooie wanted a real challenge

I'm hoping they're not too afraid to just throw in some MIDIs for notable tracks without remixes. There shouldn't be any SEGA or Square Enix protective nonsense for once so they should just go wild like they did for Castlevania and Mega Man.

Alright I'm gonna go back to pretending the ball is his mouth

Rare's always made intentionally ugly characters but something about their 90s designs made it endearing and something about their 6th gen and up designs made it hard to look at.

To be fair everyone was larger than Banjo in Tooie at least twice as tall if not more.

Jolly was fine.

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bearlet

he's near Diddy sized in Smash, too

>KI 3
Lol

I’d say it’ll be quite long. Just a few weeks from now, I’ll be able to play as Banjo. Then it’ll be nearly a decade till the next game, kek.

Am I the only one that wants a port of Nuts and Bolts to PC? I honestly really enjoyed it for what it was, but I hate playing it at 15 FPS on the 360.

I could see Microsoft porting Rare Replay onto PC one of these days.

I BELIEVED I BELIEVED IN A BEAR AND A BIRD

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He looks pretty big, a lot bigger than before. I'd say he's around Falco's height.

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The sensible thing would be to just release the Rare Replay Collection on PC instead of having it be one of the small handful of worthwhile XBOne exclusives. Apparently N&B on RRC had some glitches not present on the original 360 game though.

B-A-N-J-O, and Banjo is in Smash Bros

Didn't Kirkhope say that higher-ups at Nintendo specifically asked him to put in references to other stages in his Spiral Mountain remix?
It would not at all surprise me if someone at Nintendo was really fond of Rare

it was

it did

I understand that some people in the offices still talk about it. When you think about it, Rare never really left Nintendo after 2002. Think about it
>Ghoulies has a couple of DKC references, such as Engarde, and this was around the time of the DKC ports on GBA (2003-2005)
>Grunty’s Revenge and Banjo Pilot
>DKR and Viva Piñata on DS
>Killer Instinct references in DKC Wii Shop ports
>DK 64 on Wii U with Jetpac still included

>Mario and DKR references in Nuts and Bolts

Are the Banjo games actually that good? I already got BTFOd hard so I thought I might as well try them.

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>Canary Mary spirit against Falco with a ton of those little mechanical bird things that pull you off stage so you you have to spend the whole fight mashing

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Yes

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They're fun. All about exploration and fun atmosphere

Do it.

Yeah, give them a shot!

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That's evil.

>Gobi spirit fighter
>Character is weak to down aerials

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>little mechanical bird things
nigger, those are beetles

Don’t buy the N64 versions

>Mr.Vile spirit with King K.Rool
>eat more of a certain type of item before time runs out

They're pretty good. I recommend emulating them with widescreen + 60 fps codes if you can, although said codes can break the game in a few spots

N64 emulation is shit don't do that to him

Best way to play is undoubtedly the Xbox ports despite a few unfortunate downsides like cutscenes music no longer syncing because the songs were written around the frame drops from the original and jiggywiggys puzzles in Tooie having banjo physically present in normal third person footage in the world you are about to unlock instead of being first person

N64 version for Kazooie is fine but it's not advisable for Tooie due to the performance issues and fps segments.

break as in make it unplayable?

user NO YOU'LL GET SUED

I still think it was a coincidence.

>Kefka was SE's CEO all along

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Performance is better on modern versions but I personally like the lack of note retention on death in B-K.

What about cartoony humans?

>>Prevented Shadow from being a clone character

Really?

>Only character who was an assist trophy in 4 that got a brand new model
>Shown late as fuck after making a big show of Knuckles being an AT now, when Smash always frontloads big news and popular characters in the release cycle towards release, even for smaller things like ATs or stages
>SEGA has a history of being anal as fuck about Sonic characters

Let this image be a reminder to anyone who calls banjo a cereal mascot

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>Only character who was an assist trophy in 4 that got a brand new model
Y'know I originally assumed Shadow wasn't an echo simply because he wasn't on Sakurai's radar, but with this in mind and considering how anal Sega can get about Sonic I wouldn't be surprised if they just had some dumb reason to keep him out of Smash. Shame too, his inclusion would've been a pretty easy way to drum up hype for the game given how popular he is.

I hope Sega has a change of heart by the next game.
That is if Sakurai even continues with the echo fighters concept and doesn't drop them like custom moves.

Apart from just liking the character, I don't understand why anyone would want Shadow as a Sonic echo.
Nothing against either Sonic or Shadow but Sonic's moveset still feels as rushed and lame as it felt in Brawl. I wonder why they've never changed up some of those extremely samey specials.

Between 3 Links and 4 Marths, there's no way Shadow wouldn't be an echo. Those that understand that, are fine with him being an echo.

Smash bros you need to get in here NOW.

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discord.gg/J4USHAu

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From what I heard, Sakurai has mixed feelings on the Sonic series, also Heroes is his favorite apparently.

People like the character and figured it was a lot more likely for him to get in as an echo than as a fully unique character. I'm sure most people would prefer a unique moveset but that just didn't seem likely. I do agree that Sonic's moveset needs a slight tune-up though.

Who are your favorite minor characters from the series, and how would a fight against their Spirits go?

>Giant Ice Climbers
>Favor neutral and down specials
>Stamina battle
>15 hp

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That's the first time I've heard him having good taste in anything.

Weldar spirit battle (3 star spirit)
>Shadow Moses Island
>vs giant Charizard
>electrified floor
>enemy favors neutral special

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I hope his aerial up-b leaves a projectile behind like Sonic's

I always thought Banjo was closer to DK's size but he's about Mario's height which I guess makes sense

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>Old King Coal
>vs Giant King K. Rool
>Norfair or Spirit Train
>Lava Floor

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>ywn wumba Humba

I was certain their up special was going to be the Beak Bomb and that it would work similarly to Ridley's. A brief pause, then a fast rush that goes a long way and deals very high damage and knockback.
The shock jump pad looks kind of bad with how it cartoonly stretches Banjo since it'll probably make his hurtbox bigger.

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How does it feel knowing that your cereal box mascot will get replaced by the actual iconic steve from minecraft once the update roles around, banjokes?

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I pity you.

it doesn't

Hopefully it'll have a hitbox on Kazooie's beak or some other unique property. I've kicked around the idea that maybe we'll be able to delay it like Diddy's Up-B or maybe it will have a meteor hitbox beneath them since they kick off so powerfully.

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You guys are still seething?

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>Heroes is his favorite apparently
no wonder AT Knuckles is able to do a homing attack

MII COSTUMES! GET YOUR MII COSTUMES HERE, FOLKS! GET THEM WHILE THEY ARE HOT!

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the reason I think it's such a banger is because nintendo really directed him in the direction to be that way. IIRC he mentions that he was given a "a task" to make such a thing and then was asked to change things to and fro. He was never told it was for a trailer or shit like that. Just that he was supposed to reimagine one of the songs.

Maybe their up special will be a different move while airborne.

FUCKING PLEASE. ITS THE LEAST YOU CAN DO AFTER FUCKING UP HER SERIES SONY.

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Wonder if they'll do the duo idea they hadin brawl next game, would be kinda cool.

>ROB + Tiny Wario Team
>Wario's favor Down-Special
>Poison Cloud surrounds area
>Floor is Sticky

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>its not like this is a highlight for me

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>also Heroes is his favorite apparently

Unironically based tbqh

Smash bros you need to get in here NOW.

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How powerful is the Grenade Egg going to be?
>Spawn-able explosive item like Link and Snake, but Banjo has to actually grab it instead of automatically holding it.
>Grenade Eggs do double damage in Tooie
I imagine that it's going to have to have some great upside to make up for the fact that you have to go to the trouble of setting it up ala Diddy, compared to Link who can just spawn and throw their bombs constantly or use their bombs to recover.

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Grant mentioned that he never knew that Spiral Mountain would be part of the reveal. It just seemed to fall into place so well.

Going off the fact that it was mostly used to destroy cracked objects...maybe it’s got a shitload of knockback?

If you look closely you can see DK fly up a little bit once he get's hit. There is not smoke around him aside from his fully charged giant punch, so it's reasonable to assume that DK isn't at a percentage that triggers rage. I believe the nades will have good knockback, perhaps even kill at 100% percentages.

Since they need so much time to set up and could easily be used against you I'd imagine they're pretty strong. A BK who sets their grenade egg up as you try to recover to ledge will probably be pretty threatening.

It would hopefully be worth it considering that in the time it takes for them to get one properly ready, Diddy could have his Banana already prepped (which is essentially a free Smash attack), not to mention the slew of other extremely good projectiles that could easily interrupt them like Snake's Nikita which does 14% without any-setup. For the amount of time it takes for them to get this egg ready and the fact that someone could use it against them if pulled out at the wrong time, it better have an insane potential pay-off.

>sega is a stingy company
>have a fuckton of content for all their series in the game
Pick one

Another good question is do the Grenade Eggs explode on contact/being hit or do they have a timer like Snake's? From the trailer it looks like DK FSmashed the Grenade Egg and made it explode but Diddy was able to grab it with no problem.

>do upspecial in midair
>their kickoff launches the platform at top speed downwards
>the entire platform spikes

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I don’t give a shit about Smash, when’s Killer Instinct 4

>Can't recover low because of Grenade Egg and Meteor Up-B
>Can't recover medium because Breegull Blaster will shred you.
>Recover high if you dare, free grabs and other punishes when they you try to land.
>Even if you get them off stage, you can't contest them because Wonderwing is flare-blitz tier horizontal recovery with full invincibility

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down B spawns a random type of egg that Banjo can use ala Snake's grenades and Diddy Kong's banana :)