Uhhhh...Smashers?

ESLs leave

>Set game to French
>Idiot Americans don't even know what moves you're using

I'm gonna guess it's about the obtuseness of the nomenclature on spells. It's bad enough that i can't guess what some of them do as an english speaker, but there's no way some kid that doesn't read english will get it.

Im assuming hes complaining about the fact that some of the names of the moves dont translate clearly? But that doesnt really make sense cuz a number of them arent real words in English either.

DELETE TWITTER

Yuro poor players who can't read English come to NA tournaments and you can't read the NA Hero command menu so you approach him holding a spell you don't know he can use

He's a pile of RNG, of course he's not tournament-viable. He's still fucking fun to play.

>some kid that doesn't read English
Hero's spells are all translated. They'll be whatever the Switch's language is set to.

No, he's talking about how if you have a japanese player at EVO, is it fair that they have to read english to know what spells you have? Or if you are fighting a Japanese Hero, is it fair to try to read Japanese? It's pretty much the only real complaint.

Imagine being a part of a gaming community that actively tries to remove content

>tournament ran on English copy
>foreign players can't read any of the spell names
That's actually a big non-starter for tournament legality is the fact that the spells are supposed to be highly telegraphed by the menu.

>Hero's spells are all translated. They'll be whatever the Switch's language is set to.
Except Dutch.

>Hero's spells are all translated.
Are they translated in a meaningful way? Like i said, the English names are already obtuse, are the foreign options at least as clear?

what if two players who speak two different languages are playing locally
it's a stupid complaint but that's the 'issue'

>1e11en
How far up his own ass is he?

Why do smashfags have some autistic hated towards RNG?
>No items because they’re RNG
>Only 5 stages because the rest have RNG
>No Hero because he has moves that involve RNG
Is it some weird thing about wanting to be “accepted” by the FGC or something? Do they think banning all this shit will make Smash a more “legitimate” fighting game to the FGC? Because it’s not, the FGC still and will always see smash as just a party game.

>tourneyfags

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Hoes mad = Dragon Quest hoes mad

All of the spells have their own naming style in the various languages. So yes. You either have to know how to read the language, or you have to memorize MP costs, as those are all distinct.

Brawl was full of RNG and they still had tournaments for that

>if you have a japanese player at EVO, is it fair that they have to read english to know what spells you have
Yes of course. Is it somehow unfair that the signs at the airport aren't in Japanese?

Oh yeah, I guess that is a real problem. Dunno what could be done about that.

Only actual casuals whine about items being RNG, it encourages a meta where only fast characters who can get to items faster strive
Stage hazards devolves a match into specific interaction

It's because RNG is shit to go against

if you have to ban elements of a fighting game in order to play it competitively...it's not a fighting game

>Brawl was full of RNG
Tripping and?

I thought the pros just spammed DownB to save time.
youtube.com/watch?v=RybG0Qu9F20

I truly wish salem had BTFO'd this faggot with hero. The butthurt that would've been caused is too magnificent to not think about.

I feel like all Sakurai would have to do is have little symbols next to the name so moves can be universally recognized, like a little fireball next to self destruct or something.

All the other complaints are gay, as expected from a faggot like Leffen

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Tripping

>have to learn different languages to play a character

It's them trying to be 'fair'. They don't want to run into situations that just can't be avoided. If items spawned at set intervals and only a a certain location, then the tournament scene would have evolved around that. As the game would have meant using stage control pressure and deciding if it was worth it more to cover item possibilities, vs trying to punish returns. But as it was, it just meant that faster characters had access to items and were usually capable of using those items better.

they don't care about the fgc stop being obsessed

Nothing Leffen is saying here is wrong if you think about it.

He plays competitive smash for fucking money, if you were playing for money you would not want rng affecting your out come at all, period. There is no buts here.

How fucking ever, it's CLEAR by now Sakurai is not designing the game with a traditional competitive tournament mindset. YET retards still want to pretend they can squeeze blood from a turnip here.

Sakurai is based as fuck for putting hero in the game but as long as tourney fags are gonna continue the facade and pretend this game is viable competitively a pro player should make the arguments Leffen its making because why wouldn't they. He doesn't give a fuck about what Sakurais intentions are, he wants to win.

>leffen

Why is always him bros, what a fucking bitch jesus christ

The pros have realized how to manipulate the game so that their top decks are at least safer. As well as using speed reading technics, like only glancing for the first letter for things like Oomph, as it's the only O word and word length for Accel. Opening menu and closing it will also give you a completely new list of 4, with no repeats, so it's possible to get Kamikazee and get rid of it, so that your top option is much safer. The best first menu open to get is Kamikazee, Kaclang, Metal Slash and something useful, like Oomph. This means you'll be able to run up, top deck and have a much better chance of having MB, Flame Slash or Sizzle and them being unable to react to it.

Funny that there are symbols in manuals that have been used for spells for a while. Kamikazee is literally a man exploding.

If tournament rules are all decided by a third party, and the players of the game accept that ruling, what's the problem in banning a character? Also there's clearly money involved, so it's competitive.

Just checked, and you're right. That's stupid. I wonder why. It's translated for German at least.

You can memorize the MP amounts or just learn the English names. It's a bigger issue that it's a randomly-generated list than anything else.

Tournament smash has always been pretty stupid. It's not a game suited to competitive play. It's fun, and you can be competitive while playing it, but you might as well play tournament Mario Party.

I could apply a job at McDonalds, and I can make more money in fucking months or years than some tourneyfag gameplay for $100 price and $10,000 grand prize at EVO. I only see those tourneypussies are afraid to get a real job.

He literally does nothing but bitch and moan. Does he even play competitively anymore?

I don't want to watch a slotmachine. I want to watch skilled players smell each other

Why is every non-Nintendo JRPG character in Smash braindead tier?

you mean like
akuma
version select
unlimited mode
stylish mode

Hello Leffen. Kill yourself you fucking cuck

Cloud was done like that because Sakurai didn't want to turn off new players that would be coming from FF to play Smash. Hero was likely because of particular demands from SE about how to represent him and Sakurai's own autistic need to represent him properly because DQ is considered a national treasure.

What's the problem with having a game that can switch between competitive and casual modes? If anything, every game should do that. Let the players customize the game themselves since the devs are usually too retarded to do it properly.

>Lists onee character that needed a code to access and was broken beyond all belief because he was meant to be a boss
>The rest are pointless gimmicks
Nice argument

>Hero was likely because of particular demands from SE about how to represent him
This definitely isn't it. Hero is a result of Sakurai wanting to create a fun character and it's difficult as fuck to make swordies different from each other.

>wrong about Snake
>wrong about Pokemon Trainer
>____ about Hero
hmm

>RNG bad
Tadaima

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Pretty sure he ducked out of evo

Sonic Fox was going to play Ultimate, though?

I dont give a single fuck about competitive videogames

It's rng that can't be countered in any meaningful way. Things like Luigi's side b or Judge have been accepted because they're not fucking polarizing.

>The rest are pointless gimmicks
like hero

it's amusing to see how butthurt smell bros fags are.
I imagine it won't be different when Banjo drops.

wew lad i guess i forgot to cross out the dialogue box where sonicfox is saying anything about playing/not playing something
just stop dude

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Its unironically autism

Bro how can CS be competitive, you have to play a specific mode in it in order for it to count
Bro how can LoL be competitive, you have to play a specific mode and map in it to be competitive
Bro how can Quake be competitive, you have to play under specific server options to be competitive

>complaining about hocus pocus

It’s only beneficial a third of the time, and then you’ve got to dig it out of a menu with massive startup before it can even start to be active.

His neutral game is whack and needs the Crits to be even remotely viable.

Given how bad this character can backfire on you, you’re a fucking idiot if you pick him for a competition you want to win.

Tl;dr

Hoes mad

That fanart is the cringiest thing I've seen all day.

Like most pro gamers your average full-time Smash pro gets more of their money from team sponsorships and streaming revenue than actual prize pools.

>normals and smash attacks are slow
>up-b, side-b, and neutral-b all have lengthy charge periods
>player has to fucking read at superhuman speed in order to use down-b attacks effectively while the opponent is onstage
Just play a fast character and apply pressure, retard. It's amazing how these top players just scream "ban" instead of trying to find new strategies like, you know, a fighting game player.

that's why the parody version of it

yeah people often forget you have to go pretty far out of your way from the actual game to make it competitive

This, he’s never gonna top 8 a major unless he gets super buffed or everyone gets nerfed to shit. He’s a Smash 4 character trapped in Ultimate

But wait, there’s more.

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The character has some great tools but being hidden behind random chance ensures that he'll never see decent representation in tournament. He NEEDS crits, he NEEDS good rolls on his down special, and often times he NEEDS the first option on the menu to be immediately useful. The character has no combo game to speak of. Some people have said he's high mid but when the dust settles he'll be considered low tier.

youtu.be/o5ZWCZ-FecY

>banning high execution tech
Beyond salty, super trash bros.

Melee is such a joke. You have to like level 5 autism to take this mess seriously.

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His up B gets severely fucked by reflector and counter characters.

>Wobbling
>High execution
You can learn how to wobble in a few hours, maybe less. The set ups are the only things """hard""" but even then apparently not so hard if randoms can take a set off of top players and then immediately go 0-2 after beating them

if wobbling was some absurd frame perfect godtech it wouldn't be banned because everyone would lose their mind when it happened. It happens to be piss easy,

The funniest part of it is, other fighting games have characters with RNG, and no one complains about them

It's seems like the majority is still pro-Hero overall. Still frustrating to see as many detractors as there are.

twitter.com/DabuzSenpai/status/1162103554141761555
>tfw Leffen is such a faggot that fucking Dabuz of all people looks good next to him

>Power Instinct has RNG
>community: ok
>Guilty Gear has RNG
>community: ok
>Samurai Shodown has RNG
>community: ok
>Smelly Bros has RNG
>community: AGGHGHGHHHHBBLOOOOOOOOOOBOOOOOOGHGHHHHHGHGH AAAAGHHHHHHHH EGGGHHHHHHHHHH HAAAHBBBAAAAHHHHHHH HABBAGHHHHH AHHGHHGHGHGHHHGH WEEEEEEGGGHHHHHHH WEEEGHHHHH HABBAGHH AGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH EEEEEEGHHHH AAGHHH

What does leffen know about Smash, he's a Melee player, not a modern player.
And Hero is as random as Game and Watch.

Jigglypuff ban when

Gotta pander to the stream monsters lmao

>unironically complaining about Hatchet Man, a move with Ganon utilt-tier startup
The absolute state of Leffen.

>Why do smashfags have some autistic hated towards RNG?
they're insecure and need to pretend that their casual party game is all pure skill.

Confirmed for not knowing shit no one wants RNG in other fighting games. Faust gets a pass because his item toss is consistently a damage item

He’s pretty good at Ultimate, but he dodges like half the tournaments he promises to attend and the ones he does attend he doesn’t do THAT great at. He’s probably gonna GTFO if his main gets hit with a serious nerf or proceed to buster out like Void does

youtube.com/watch?v=LpmMP8fsC0M

Leffen is just a drowner for pools.

still more popular than any trash game you like

Nah, he makes it out of pools consistently. He just doesn’t have that many notable wins under his belt. He’s beaten Salem, Wadi and...?

This.

If you have to remove significant content from a game it was never meant to be competitive in the first place.

popularity has nothing to do with quality

He's not a tournament winner but that doesn't make him a straight up bad player. I wish people that followed competitive games would stop with this mindset. He'd still win over most everyone posting here,

Why not just have a ban phase in these games? You can ban whoever you like. Let people ban like 2 heroes each. Would breathe life into the genre imo.

>assfaggot shit
kys lmao

k

Have fun playing vs the same 2-3 heroes forever until your dead lmao.

I'm out of the loop. What about Hero, other than spell names being different depending on the language you have the game set to, are people bitching about?

His slow ass smashes do extra damage 1/8 of the time

take a shower, am i right guys?! can't wait to play another game of fox only on final destination!

>Characters are the same as gimmick fighting styles now
lol

he literally won smashcon last weekend in melee and got top 24 in ult

he just won a big melee tournament but yes hes always been a cunt

Smash bros you need to get in here NOW

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Yeah I do, Leffen's given me some hearty keks the last few weeks

Leffen's bretty gud at Ult but he has a shitty scrub mentality exacerbated by his teenage weeb fanbase stroking his ego.

Remember he always talks about how complex and hard PT is and unironically defends Joker in his current state.

Some of his down-b spells come out really fast, and he can do a lot of damage when he's buffed. But really it's just:
>character has good move
>people label the move OP, even though the character has drawbacks to balance them out
It just so happens that Hero has a couple dozen specials so this effect is more potent than usual.

why, educate me

You know that the reason people play actual fighting games competitively and the reason there is a subset of the Smash fandom who play it competitively is because there are people on this planet who find fair competition to be fun, right? Stage lists are not always as small as 5, but the reason they are small is because it makes the stage striking and counterpicking system far quicker, which in turn makes tournaments run more smoothly.

Hero is not banned in any meaningful region, and the calls to have him banned are niche. There are multiple characters who have been in the game since launch, in the SERIES for years, who possess random elements to their basic moveset and yet have never come close to being banned.

these pics doesnt even make sense nowadays, is just random buzzwording and "popular faces" thrown together. Even fucking memes are just "I CLAPPED AT FUNNY REFERENCE" jesus.

not popular enough to get into evo tho

t. bitter meleefag

Based Faust pulling meteor on the haters

why do people who don't play competitively even care?

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Hero's kit consists of more RNG than characters like G&W and Peach. His smash attacks have a small chance to do a critical hit, which dramatically increases their damage and knockback, killing as early as 30%.

But people mostly complain about its down-B which gives you 4 random special moves out of a pool of like 16, some of them including a projectile with a very low chance of instakilling, or another one that gives you a random item state (be giant, be invincible, be slowed down, etc.). People have been discussing their ban for quite a while because they argue its kit is too much randomness for a competitive environment.

It's all reactionary since Hero, even with all those characteristics, is still a very average character that can be easily played around. Plus it hasn't made any waves in the competitive scene the same way Bayo/Cloud did in Smash 4 shortly after their release. It's just an excuse so that in the future some nobody goes to complain on twitter how they lost a match because Hero killed him at 0 or some shit.

tl;dr hoes mad

nigga how is losing to Hero real, like nigga just spam projectiles at him, just fuckin rush him down lmao

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>Some of his down-b spells come out really fast
Only because you have to take time reading the given commands. You have to be an idiot or respecting Hero far too much to let him get away with using the menu in neutral.

It isn't at all consistently a damage item. If you wanted a good example of a polarizing RNG mechanic from GG you should have said Danger Time.

No don't point that out I need to false flag :"((((

I never even thought of this, but it's an actual legitimate problem. Maybe they could just ban the use of Hero's down special? It does seem excessive to tell players to memorize twenty one sets of moonrunes and be able to tell what they are and what they do in an instant.

This argument is stupid, Peach and G&Ws RNG is far more accessible than hero’s. G&W has a true combo into Judge and peach turnips are basically free, all Hero rng are hard commits.

>going to an international event without some knowledge of the language

>this is a hard commit

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Fighting game is just a blanket term for "game where players fight each other." That rule might apply to 2D fighters, a type of fighting game, but for platform fighters, a different type of fighting game, bans are completely normal.

Opening the menu to get thwack is a hard commit yes.

thwack is one of the worst options to choose from his menu, and if you're choosing it you're probably already winning away.
On top of that, it takes a full second or more to react to it, if you can't react that fast, you shouldn't play fighting games.

>People taking a party game this seriously
I wonder if people take Mario Party, Fusion Frenzy and Yahtzee this serious.

That's what I'm saying. Even if you want to use the 2 or 3 moves from the Down-B that are actually good, you're still at the mercy of the roulette giving you those moves in the first place.

>have to stand still to open the menu
>hope to god the move is there in the first place
>use it hoping it'll kill in one hit but most likely won't
>all of this while your opponent can see what you're doing and react accordingly
It is very much a hard commit. You would have had a better argument if you showed his fully charged side-B which does absurd knockback and has super armor for whatever reason.

>not playing to win

youtu.be/kT0xHN65ExA?t=729
just do this lmao

The problem is that you have one layer of legit discussion on how to make smash work well competitively. Then you have a layer of egotistically players and personality with clout who want to stir the pot and get attention. If your venue is the first to ban or unban something that gets you a load of free publicity, then someone else can make a basic video on it and get sweet ad bucks.

Then you have the bottom rung, a massive hoard of casuals repeating what the other two layers said but getting half wrong and throwing a lot of emotion and vitriol in there. Especially cause a lot just want to shitpost and scream about anything smash related. This makes any discussion on the nature of rule sets in smash impossible. But it isn't complete yet, you need a dash of miss information and fear mongering about moves or characters. This is where you get the vapid hatred of RNG, even if illogical they have decided their own camp and will stick to it.

hero down b isnt a move you use in neutral. he gets advantage once, tries to roll for magic burst or thwack while you recover or get back to centre stage, and theres a chance you just die with ZERO counterplay.
no shit down b in neutral is bad, fucking tards.

whats with the autistic screeching kek

You will never land full charge side b on anyone good without a hard edgeguard read.

What if South astraulia bans leffen for being a screaming lesbian

doing it during a money match to interrupt the chaingrabs
he's literally screaming in the IC player's ear

Feel free to find where ever I said neutral in my post.
Also, again, if the Hero is seriously considering THWACK as his menu option, you're probably already losing.
Many other characters have better Edgeguarding options, and ledge trapping options.

Hora are never not being mad.

I feel you can't deal with RNG you unironically fucking suck and shouldn't be playing competitive

They should add icons to the spell list. It would fix the entire issue.

I think the fact that this is genuinely well drawn only makes it cringier

>I'd rather play with items and final smashes
So he'd rather play the actual game then? God I hate competitive smash players.

>competitive smash

Not even once

You guys turn Smash into such a chore, it's like doing taxes or filling a court case.

Based IC dabbing on jigglypuff

I said neutral because thats the only time you have the chance to punish him for rolling for shit.
Thwack was just an example anyway, I agree its one of his worst spells.
All of his spells are stupidly op and the only way they are 'balanced' is because its random whether he'll get them.

Really enjoying this episode of "Those Wacky Smashers."

>He's clearly not designed for competitive play

Like the whole game. It's not a serious fighting game. When will these autists finally get it through their skulls?

Wenches have become irritated.

i thought hoes mad was just a meme but you hoes are actually mad

I'm french, and i knows both the french and english names of hero's spells. (but i prefer the french spells since it's more serious, because Dragon Quest is a bigger and more serious licence here.)

kek

I'd argue only Sizzle, Zoom and his self buffs are anywhere close to being "OP".
Everything else seems like shitty menu bloat

Reeeeee goaway daddy salem

>Game gives you the option to play the game however you want
>Y-YOU HAVE TO REMOVE CONTENT FROM THE GAME

Friendly reminder that Salem’s research is, and always will be, right. Melee players distanced themselves from other Smash communities, and they themselves do not view their community as a general Smash one

friendly reminder that salem got that ass beat

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Fuck off Salem, I know you're still angry about losing at SSC to someone who doesn't even play smash.

Danger time would be 100% banned if we had the option to do so. Moot point.

Judgement 9s and stitch+bobomb are more common.

>bring up facts
> “yeah but he lose”

He didn't need to win to be right. You meleefags have nothing more than a meaningless victory

>game built to be fun with a group and not taken too seriously
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY IS THERE RNG ON MY CHARACTER SAKURAI IS LITERALLY A NIGGER BAN HIM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>Competitive players should play the REAL game competitively!
>[refutation]
>Smash isn't competitive!

>Smash isn't competitive!
>[refutation]
>Competitive players should play the REAL game competitively
Also most people don't give a fuck about Hero.

>Ban characters
>Ban stages
>Ban items
>Ban a good portion of players because they can't bathe properly
Look, your game is a joke. You're a joke. Your community is a joke. No one with an ounce of dignity thinks Smash is worth anything more than a passing laugh at how pathetic you babydicks are. Just accept that you're the shitty diaper of gaming.
Or put on deodorant, but I doubt you'll do that.

lmao is this legit autism?

t. cries about Scorpion in MK11

RNG in every game is simply a balance tool to either make something overpowered shittier or to make children/unskilled players have a shot at playing on the same level as 500 pound metagaming neckbeards.
So those neckbeards naturally want it removed.

>game's meant to be played in a way that best suits each individual player
>s-stop trying to play competitively!!!
lol
people are going to stop being autistic over Hero in competitive once they realize he's not that good, nerd

Why are you so obsessed with Smash? Did a Smash player once beat the fuck out of you in your favorite fighting game? It's not our fault Smash requires more skill than most other fighting games, cuck.

And literally input delay was 0-3 frames randomly.

>taking things seriously isn't fun
Speak for yourself, retard

This post stinks

>>game's meant to be played in a way that best suits each individual player
clearly competitive players are not included otherwise hero wouldnt exist

See, fucking baited a bunch of butthurt smashbabies, and I don't even play fighting games. It's that easy.

i had a really autistic but cool dream a week ago, in the game awards of this year there was a reveal for a marvel vs capcom 3v3 style fighter but it was a massive crossover between guilty gear, marvel vs capcom and smash characters, but the style was mostly arc sys like, it was hype as shit and in the end there was a teaser for fighter z, implying dragon ball cast was also in the game, too good to be real

i liked the smash characters the most, looked really cool in that traditional fighter style

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There's nothing wrong with Hero competitively.

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then why is there a thread full of competitive players bitching about hero?

I think I liked smash drama better when it was about pedos. Everyone can enjoy sexual assault, but dumb arguments about games are just painful

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you sound upset, user

>can backfire on you
My own opinion aside, Leffen is (trying to awkwardly) make the point that a good player can randomly lose to when it goes the opposite for Hero and he gets super lucky over the course of a set and then sucks shit later. It's the variability of results he doesn't like, especially since the format for most games is just 2/3

>Smash requires more skill than most other fighting games

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the majority of this thread is making fun of leffen

he's not wrong
the only fighting game that requires more skill is Tekken

this isnt the only thread thats been made on the subject

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY DID A TOO PLAYER LOSE I DONT WANT TO SEE A LITTLE GUY WINASET FOR ONCE STOP USING HEROOOOOOO

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anyone else think the banner on this gif was a gun?

lol ok

Because people regularly watch competitive ultimate and potentially not being able to spectate a cool character ruins your experience

>year old twitter meme
You must be 18 or older to post on Yea Forums.

All the people who list "Akuma" as an argument for this immediately out themselves as someone who has never played an actual fighting game before and it's fucking hilarious every time it happens.

Leffen is what weaponised autism looks like.

Hero's only good menu spells are Zoom, Psych up and Kaboom. None of the other spells matter.

Is Hero a game mode, user?

Hero ban would be fine, obviously he's not going to be dominating tournament scenes but upsets caused here and there because hero kept getting magic burst near the ledge is pretty gay. I feel bad for Dragon Quest fans that had their characters turned into a mindless slot machine

there are like 50 "cool" characters you won't regularly see in competitive. I don't see how one more makes a difference

What did she mean by this?

>*laughs in Magic Burst*

>Drops off ledge or get up attacks

Are you playing Little Mac or something?

You're not a very good player, are you?

>not seeing regularly is the same as never seeing it
youre kinda retarded

There is literally nothing about RNG that renders a game uncompetitive

>Get thwacked 6 times
>Call yourself better than the opponent

obsessed

>costs all of your mana for a good edge-guard
Not really worth it imo.

No other character in the game gets the reward for magic burst edgeguard or thwack ledgetrap. Hero's failure of either results in them getting back onstage (and waste of MP, which may or may not be an issue) at the very worst and his success is a "free" stock.

Obese
And stinky

???

No RNG separates the skilled from the shitters.

Imagine a fucking "fighting game" in 2019 where you have to actually ban all the new characters coming out

Why do people keep using Faust as a counter point to Hero as a cherry picked example of RNG.
From my knowledge Faust doesn't have instant KO RNG.

Banning a newly released DLC character that hasn't been hit with any balance patches is reasonable honestly.

The true shitstorm will be if the last DLC character is overpowered, because they'll be hit with almost no balance patches. That's why Bayonetta was such an issue.

Taking an early stock 100% for sure against most characters is damn good, what are you talking about? Closing stocks is ridiculously important in Smash. The risk of having to play like a bitch for a few seconds is not that big of a deal in a game where defensive play is already pretty damn good.

ironically, little mac actually has a winning matchup vs hero

What fucking reward is there in magic burst edge-guard?
A stock?
A stock at the cost of your entire MP bar, the root of your spells and zoning capabilities? The things that are actually fucking consistant?

lol

>Magic Burst
>Acceleratle
>Oomph
>Flame Slash
>Heal
>Bounce

Here's your (You), scrub.

>all
Why does every person obsessed with hating Smash have to make as disingenuous as possible posts?

seething

>A stock at the cost of your entire MP bar
that's incredibly good, you retard

>but what about that ONE character from the first competitive fighting game that came out nearly 30 years ago???

Why go that far though, why even edge guard when this game barely rewards it, especially against the top characters who can recover from everywhere?

>why would I want to kill someone early, it costs all my mp that's trivial to get back?

MP is ridiculously easy to get and even then you are arguing that a "trade" is not worth it when it could very well be. Are you retarded? Only morons don't think magic burst is a good option when they are recovering.

No it doesn't
Poker is objectively more difficult that any smash game and you would never be able to compete in a poker tournament even though it's RNG

>why edge guard when you benefit greatly with little cost
HURRRRRRRR

No MP means you have actually no recovery and will die at 30% from nothing. Stock for a stock isn't the most optimal.

Fuck smashers for raping their own game. It's meant to be played with items.

Only morons run to the very edge to fish for magic burst in the first place, it's way better to go to the middle and look for Kaboom which covers all getup options for less than half the mana.

You're right, it doesn't reward many characters when attempting to edgeguard. Guess who magic burst does reward when edgeguarding?

>your enemies win if you kill them

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>and will die at 30% from nothing
literally what

I shouldn't have to make the post AT ALL.

Why can you turn them off then?

You're fucking retarded. He literally has to hit you three times at most to get a sizable amount of his MP back, even if he hits your shield. Dumbass.

People complain about all these broken options Hero's down B has, but if they're almost all broken then isn't it just a good move? As a card game player I know the difference between good randomness that rewards good decision making (drawing cards) and bad randomness (the baked in game deciding RNG Hearthstone has). Hero is almost entirely the former, the only exception being Hocus Pocus (which serious players should never use because it's average result is a negative).

Psych Up is a meme. The only way you'll ever get any use out of it is by stacking it with Oomph throwing out fsmashes in neutral hoping for a shield break.

>getting mp back is trivial
>play like a bitch avoiding shit with his terrible ground speed, air acceleration, and terrible frame data getting beat by most characters

b-but without MP Hero is useless!

Lets not forget too that magic burst does like 60 damage and most of his kit kills at 50%

Yet you still have to make shit up.

oh yeah I love hitting my negative on block attacks that come out on frame 18

This is what gets me. Even when played as a big dumb party game smash is skill based and competative.

No you tard psych up is the only way Hero can have a kill throw. Up throw+psych up kills at 100-130 depending on character.

Why is Yea Forums so bad at video games? Retards like you say the dumbest shit.

Post your results then.

>Be Faggen
>Get dabbed on by everyone in Ultimate
>Bitch about Trunks

Seems right.

He also has random crits.

>check lef twitter
>It's been 4hours and he still complaining about hero on twitter

dis guy never stops

>topdecking the card you need is "good decision making".

Know who isn't banning any DLC characters? Literally any other current gen fighting game.

Because you can change many settings. Doesn't change the fact they are a crucial part of the game and a huge part of balance tweaks.

>another thread of F-Fighting games always had RNG
Yeah and you niggers get mad as fuck when Faust gets a Black Hole or Meteor Shower
People were SEETHING at Nage when he got top 8 at EVO in Xrd with Faust
People don't like RNG having huge impact on gameplay

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Luck is a skill

His tilts and nair are fast enough and they give him about 10 MP back each. Keep crying, shitter.

>heroes
get out

Nice to see you runback from saying all.

>Doesn't change the fact they are a crucial part of the game and a huge part of balance tweaks.
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't know you where Sakurai, and what a convince it was that Pichu and Olimar consistently topped majors and then got nerfed come the Joker patch.
Guess a lot of players are using them with items online! Silly me!

Nair is safe on shield, dumbass.

again but in english please

>His terrible ground speed
>29/80, faster than Pit, Ken, Mario, Squirtle
He has pretty good movement speeds and jump heights. He also has disjoints and while his framedata isn't super, he actually has pretty large and active hitboxes. I'm not sure I want him banned and he certainly isn't "broken" in the "he'll win everything" standpoint, but don't fucking lie like he's Brawl Ganon

So because you can change settings for it means that you have to play exactly by the default?

Post your results.

Good card games don't rely on topdecks, they give the player enough resources to always make decisions.

Melee sucks ass

Yes there is, it takes control from the players.

Nice to see you runback from saying all.

And that makes a game uncompetitive how?

no it doesnt, the player chooses to use rng

?

Language Barrier?

Nice to see you runback from saying all.

When hero magic bursts his entire flaws as a character come out. Without projectiles, buffs or a OOS option his frame data and short range really hinder him

Yes but the RNG chooses the outcome.

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By making player skill have little result in the result of the game.

Items and final smashes do suck. Smash is fun when you and your friends are beating the shit out of eachother with Nintendo characters. Items (especially from Brawl onwards) are too strong so they just make you run after them instead of playing the actual fun part of the game, then half of them are boring to use once you get them. Instead of a match flowing nicely with the players occasionally managing to get an item that grants an advantage in the standard gameplay it degenerates into running back and forth grabbing dragoon parts or some shit so you can spend five seconds trying to hit with some gay cinematic kill move. Then final smashes suck because half of them are useless time wasters and the other half are instant win buttons.

See

and the player chooses to use it, how is that not the player being in control?

!

Not defaults, you can lower the settings, but not adding them all and fighting on only few stages is nothing less than rape of the game. Shameful!

Good card games are ones that compensate for their randomness in other ways. There's no such thing as good randomness, if we are referring to "good and bad" as "more competitive and less competitive". At the end of the day, the player who draws better will have an edge in the exact same manner as the player who rolls well on the dice ("bad randomness") you complain about. RNG has no place in competition; it -does- have a place in games because variety and spinning the lottery pleases our monkey brains.

The other player doesn't have any control of the outcome, he cannot outplay, he cannot do anything, if the RNG chooses the "you die" option then the player dies.

Go to a poker tournament and see how well you do, retard. You don't know what you're talking about.

People get mad at their RNG too or does that not count because it goes against the narrative?
Also why do people keep mentioning Faust as if he has an instant win RNG mechanic?

>>game built to be fun with a group and not taken too seriously
Nope

>covers half the stage with a spell that shows up only 10% of the time
Woops! Ggs bro my edge-guards are on point maybe next week :)

So you're saying players haven't lost at Poker due to terrible luck regardless of their skill. That's what you're saying, right?

>PEOPLE SHOULD ONLY PLAY THE EXACT WAY I DO!
What is with casual elitists always saying shit like this

When Pokemon trainer switches to Charizard his entire flaws as a character come out. Without projectiles, buffs, or approach options his frame data and short range really hinder him.

Very stupid post. Never said Nintendo doesn't look at the dumb smashers. I'm just saying you are all retarded.

Because it's fun to laugh at retarded internet normies.

It doesn't count because it goes against my narrative of "LOL SMASH PLAYERS ARE SUCH BABBIES PLAY A REAL GAME"

Gosh Leffen is such a whiny bitch

No one is trying to get those characters banned

the other player can avoid attack

so getting edgeguarded means youre not in control?

>It's meant to be played with items.
>Players are allowed to turn off items
REEEEEEEEEEEE HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO US, ITEMBROS?

Back during the Dragon Warrior days the translation was pretty serious but ever since VIII its been the garbage nonsense trying to be funny. Like fucking Beat and Defeat got translated to Whack and Zwhack or w/e silly bs name they use this days. Back in the day spell names made sense and you did not need to read a description to know what it meant. Like Return for example is much better name than Zoom.

It's literally never happened, no. If you've ever played professional poker you'd know this.

Again can you tell me which one has an instant KO RNG move?

So you're saying competitive smashers are retarded elitists and should be shamed for it? Good to know.

community ran stuff is just always going to run into this kind of stuff. do we ban this character? do we ban this thing or person because of x? smash has it so bad because there's so many people, mostly underage, trying to make and discuss these decisions.

Tell me the counter play of getting Magic Burst off stage.
Die?

If you know grab is his only good option just stay in the air and he'll be forced to waste it on a suboptimal move. A buff that only lasts for one move and gets wasted by attacking a shield (unlike Revenge) is shit.

nigger nobody ever tried to ban Faust anywhere.

leffen fucking sucks

b-b-but that's different

Why does it upset you so much that people don't play the way you do?

>smash
>fighting game
>years of crying about metaknight
>years of crying about bayonetta
shit game. They act like this faggot is boss st akuma or something.

Tekken 7 had like 200,000 viewers at EVO and Melee had 3,000.

Why keep bringing Faust up?
Which part of his RNG is instant KO?

Exactly my point. Now you get it.

it doesnt remove control from you, that was your original point and now youve moved the goalpost to it being overpowered

That's true but psych up Fair can also kill. The move isn't expensive, it's always worth it to put Psych up on unless there's something better you want right then.

sirlin.net/ptw-book/what-should-be-banned

>fighting game autists crying over top tiers
the fight game community is a joke

>t doesnt remove control from you
It does though, because it has to counter-play and forces you to do what the game wants.
But lol keep arguing semantics, guess "losing controll" is the same as unplugging a controller.

>nobody has ever complained about top tiers in any other fighting games!

You really underestimate how much MK and Bayo destroyed their respective games.
But you wouldn't know that, because lmfao! Gotta own the smashies!

it doesnt force you to do what the game wants because its your own fault you were offstage in the first place

What retard was mad about Nage getting top 8? He does it consistently first of all, and second he's amazing to watch because he's so skilled with what ever he gets with his item throws, he can adapt to any situation that it gives, and that's why he's impressive other mechanical skills aside.

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MK and Bayo broke the rules of their extremely defensive games.
So much to the point where playing any other character is pretty much null and void due to how strong they are.

A true good player would get over an unfortunate game regardless of RNG. Look at MKLeo.

He bitches about Ultimate a lot for someone who doesn't care about playing it and who, as he himself admits, has not placed high enough in tournaments to earn a cent of prize money.

>fighting fag casuals this fucking jealous that smash hits the mainstream harder than SF2 in the 90's

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it's just smash

RNG works both ways. It can hinder or help you. For every time someone lucks out on RNG, they get fucked over by it the rest of the time. The fact that everyone focuses only on the good luck but not on the bad is what makes any argument against it so disingenuous. It's no different that saying gambling is completely fair to the gamblers because you can theoretically win big at any game.

>lol just don't get hit shitter
Good argument.

>nobody in the FGC has ever complained about top tiers only smash players do that
lmao fuck off

hm?

>Has to have over half the stages banned for every tournament

>my opponent beat me in neutral and put me offstage but he shouldnt be allowed to edgeguard me with magic burst as a reward for his outplay
its your own fault you were offstage, you can get mad about it but its the truth

>smash
>fighting game
lol just turn on items nigga

And? Smash is unique since each stage is incredibly unique and not all of them are meant to be played 1v1. What's the problem?

>Mr Game & Watch gets a near-insta kill move at a 1-in-9 chance
This is ok
>Some of Luigi's specials have a 1-in-10 chance to misfire
This is ok
>Peach has a 1-in-250 chance of pulling out a Bob-omb instead of a turnip
This is ok
>Hero has a 1-in-8 chance to get a critical hit on his Smash attacks
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THAT'S BANNED! THAT'S BANNED!

Leffen once again reassuring himself as a joke

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Nice job avoiding the topic.

lol ok retard

How to be a good poker player:
>Study statistics to a master degree level
>Learn about body language and tells to the point where you can figure someones tell out despite them trying to hide it seconds of playing with them
>learn how to hide your own tells against other genuises trying to read you
>learn how to make hard decisions without showing it in a climate where literally millions of dollars are on the line

How to be a good Chess/Go player (Grandmaster level)
>Be born with an IQ of at least 130, most likely more like 140+
>Study for years in nuances of the game, opening theory, middle game theory, end game theory
>practice against the most sophisticated AI in the world at the moment in order to hone your skills
>Your game is LITERALLY the center of modern artificial intelligence research

How to be a "professional" "competitive" smash player:
>Ban 90% of the maps built in the game
>Ban movesets (wobbling) and characters (hero) from the game
>ban items from the game
>practice 5 hours a day autistic ally pressing button combos in training mode, never taking a shower
>Does not require thought or IQ, in fact most champions are average IQ or lower
>LITERALLY shit your pants during tournaments

And the smash players actually believe they're competitive game players or worthy of respect or to be compared to actual geniuses and actual competitive games like Chess, Poker, or Go.
Unironically pathetic.

There's nothing fair about the competition if my opponent smells like shit and his NEET autism allows him to understand a childrens party game better than me because I spent more time learning about real fucking life and not some toy. Cope.

>it's fine when SF bans stages

Man this made me think what if all of Smash Characters had a critical hit mechanic? Imagine the rage from Smash autists?

>you need a high IQ to be good at chess
Fucking imagine being such a brainlet.

He wants to watch matches on great cave offensive.

It's only artificially difficult because of the RNG you drooling mong.

Do you get mad at athletes because they spent more time training than you do?

Smash bros you need to get in here NOW

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I had to get away from the smell somehow

That explains why he's retarded

>he actually likes side scrolling and motion sickness stages
My 6 year old nephew isn't even this casual

You get back MP from landing hits on shield. It's not hard to build back MP.

chess is 90% memorizing opening sequences so you dont get destroyed in 5 turns, its really not all that intellectual. youre right about go and poker though

I agree. Idk why so much people praise the current translation when they intentionally butcher the original.

To be honest user if you dont get it then you're probably just too stupid to understand competitive games.

You don't need to have an IQ of 140 to master a solved game, faggot.

Sait chess is the one with red and black coins, right?

Nothing, but Peach pulling a bob-omb sure is.

Describe Hero as more BS than any of the other top 20 or so characters, you can't. If he was guaranteed to get his buff spells and magic burst every single time you'd have a point but he doesn't. The other spells are all either inconsistent or too slow to be useful outside of style and these aforementioned spells are the majority of the spells you'll get. He'll end up as another low-mid tier that upsets a top player once in a blue moon then become irrelevant.

they improved the names

So you have no argument and have to fall back to dead memes?

Shut up faggot

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>>Hero has a 1-in-8 chance to get a critical hit on his Smash attacks
You literally just proved that Hero has the most OP one shot

>Chess
>Solved
Post your mmr

>It's not hard to build back MP by smacking shield with a character that doesn't have safe on shield moves

Hmmmm

>getting hit with a smash attack
If you're at a point where your opponent is using that you're already losing

>language barrier
>the only people who take this shitty party game seriously are basically EOPs

Video games aren't athletic in the slightest. Double back, regroup, and come at me with a food analogy this time.

>NONONONONONONONONO, BAN HERO NOOOOOOWWWWWW, I CAN'T ADAPT TO ANYTHING EVEN SLIGHTLY UNPREDICTABLE, BAN HIM NOW OR I'LL SHIT MY PANTS

So i take that as a yes.

I don't mind items but some are complete horseshit

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>Harder to pull off in an actual match than than Luigi's 0 to death combo

>Champions

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visa issues kept him out of EVO

>OUT-FUCKING-SKILLED

>South Australia
Oh boy this is gonna be a doozy, you fags want some context as to how bad these shitters are?
I live here

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Why do casuals always whine about how tourneyfags play the game? Why are they always trying to make tourneyfags enable items and all stages as well as their rulesets into the competitive scenes? If Hero actually does end up getting banned at most high level tournaments, why do you care if it's a part of the community you supposedly don't care about?

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Every chess grandmaster scores high on IQ tests
Opening theory isn't as important as the middlegame understanding
>chess is solved
literal fucking retard

I can already tell how shit they are, since they banned Hero

The only thing about hero that needs to be nerfed is how absurdly safe his up-b is. Trying to edge-guard against it is basically asking to die. The rng on his down b is mostly a non-issue, considering you have to stand in place to use it with any kind of reliability, otherwise you are probably just gonna be hitting whatever the top one is and hoping it doesn't literally kill you.
And if you are getting his with a smash attack, you probably deserve to die anyways.

All they really have to do is prefix the name with a number like "1.(Spell name)"

There is no argument, only fuming. This game is for babies. Literally endless crying and now aussie tears banning a character before even a month

Casual elitism is a hell of a drug.

>b-b-but its ok because these other characters have powerful moves!
"But Hero's is better than all those"
>JUST DON'T GET HIT HAHAHA

chess is solved and most people no longer give a shit about it. cope, brainlet

on the bright side, i heard you guys have some pretty good tekken players

Who are you dilating?

Outplayed.

Still no argument and you have to start throwing insults.

Bro you got hit by a move that hits on frame 20 when even shield comes up faster
Yes its your fault, it doesn't matter who throws it out

You don't know what solved means

It goes much deeper than that, friend.
Like fuck, this place has been dead to the actual FGC for ages now, we used to have a big SF4 community, but it died out once V came out.

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They could learn a little bit of English since they are competing in a mostly English speaking tournament.

>If I call them trans then I win!

>banned because of a move that causes him to come to a dead stop and requires you to be a speed reader who also got lucky on RNG to use to any kind of effect

Holy shit are smashniggers really this bad at their own game?

>block Hero's fsmash
>get shield-broken
>retard on Yea Forums will still say it's my fault

Chess is not solvable within the lifetime of the universe and it's still the most popular abstract strategy game on the planet you literal retard.
Based on your posts I know for a fact I have a higher IQ than you, brainlet. Tell me, what constitutes a solved game, without looking it up

Watch this page
Edit
Solving chess means finding an optimal strategy for playing chess, i.e. one by which one of the players (White or Black) can always force a victory, or both can force a draw (see Solved game). It also means more generally solving chess-like games (i.e. combinatorial games of perfect information), such as infinite chess. According to Zermelo's theorem, a hypothetically determinable optimal strategy does exist for chess and chess-like games.

In a weaker sense, solving chess may refer to proving which one of the three possible outcomes (White wins; Black wins; draw) is the result of two perfect players, without necessarily revealing the optimal strategy itself (see indirect proof).[1]

No complete solution for chess in either of the two senses is known, nor is it expected that chess will be solved in the near future. There is disagreement on whether the current exponential growth of computing power will continue long enough to someday allow for solving it by "brute force", i.e. by checking all possibilities.

Are you retarded? Or illiterate?

>>block Hero's fsmash
>>get shield-broken
lol

Has Hero done anything not worthy competitively since his release? Know he's still new, but feel like a lot of these calls for a ban are really knee jerk.

itt: make antiHeroshitters seethe

I'll start

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He's getting nerfed eventually. You know this right?

It's not that they're bad at the game, it's that they're all autistic and literally anything outside of what they're used to will cause them to break down

NOOOOOOOO IM OKAY WITH BANNING 90% OF THE GAME'S CONTENT FOR PRO PLAY BUT BANNING A SLOT MACHINE CHARACTER IS TOO FUCKING FAR FUCKING THAT IS NOT OKAY YOU CANT JUST BAN A CHARACTER LIKE THE HUNDREDS OF OTHER THINGS WEVE ALSO BANNED ITS JUST NOT PATRIOTIC

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Gamerbrain

"Oh no! In exchange for a free stock, I have to play defense for a few seconds!"

a combo? are you autistic?

Hero's weaknesses really show when you have no mana.
But you wouldn't know that because you play online quick play where you can get away with everything.

Whoa, you can see the future? Yo bro, what's the winning lotto numbers?

But, the only time Akuma was banned is Super Turbo, where he was a secret character that could literally stun lock you in place with air fireballs. Are you sure YOU play fighting games, because you sound like a scrub.

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>using the gamer word

Yes.

didnt keitaro get top 8 at one of your majors?

His absolute bare minimum to shield break is psych up + crit, you basically have to have lost neutral to let him psych up AND fuck up enough for him to hit you with fsmash. Its literally much easier to just shield break with Bowser or Yoshi.

>p-please don't nerf him!
Lmao

That's exactly my point.
The power gap between NA and Aus is ridiculous, South Australia doesn't even compare to places like Melbourne or Queensland.

>Why do smashfags have some autistic hated towards RNG?

I'm not a smashie but it makes a lot of sense when you consider tournament formats.

In "the pools" of a tournament you don't get to play long sets, like if you're doing a first to 10 in a fighting game you can mostly be assured that whoever won is simply the best player as both people have time to acclimatize and learn their opponent's strategies. If you're doing a FT2 however it's possible to get cheesed and through mishaps end out losing to somebody who isn't really a better player than you (even though for those 2 sets, they were).

I don't think they're as worried about like say an upset in the finals because by then even with RNG the chaff has been weeded out.

I'm so sorry user, south australians are basically fucking insects. I have not met a single normal person who came from your state, they're all fucked up.

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If you think chess isn't solved then you don't have an IQ higher than 10. I have a higher IQ than you by default. Cope, brainlet.

It's ok since brackets are basically rigged they'll probably play at the next big tournament

I NEED EVERYONE IN THE CHAT TO CALL A FUCKING NIGGER

>please nerf this character that isn't even that good because my tiny brain can't handle even the slightest bit of randomness

It could happen sure, but where's the Arsene nerf first

he's not. cope, cuck.

ok dude. Enjoy your bans.

SA is good in Melee though.

Numerous fighting games have RNG. Numerous competitive games in general have RNG. Card games are played competetively and are RNG based. Poker is played for millions of dollars and has RNG.

Leffen is a nigger who deserves the rope, his opinion is irrelevant

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literal fucking retard.
Do you know what a solved game is? Because I wrote a paper that there doesn't even exist a quantum algorithm that would help in determining a solution in 8x8 chess, and that nxn chess is unsolvable in EXP-time.
literal retard

Spud, right?

Why do casual elitist love RNG?

Well sure, but that's irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

Better than being called the G word.

This post reeks of cringe

Spud is WA, NZ originally.
SA Nick is probably 3rd in Aus.

wait final smashes are banned? those are barely RNG aren't they? because they require multiple hits and move so the advantage either side has is really small compared to having items on.
final smashes are cool. that sucks.

Used to be*
All the great players stopped playing the game years ago, I think there's only like 2 people who were great 5 years ago who still play today.

No matter how much you seethe and cry and shit your pants in fury, chess is a solved game AND you have a low IQ. Cope, brainlet.

those are barely RNG aren't they?
What, its literally an item.

Turns out people don't like more RNG being added on top of what already exists within the rules of the design.

Leffen is a Meleefag so his thoughts on Hero and Ultimate are irreverent.

>Hes clearly not design[sic] for competitive play

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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You mean like Hero?
Not the guy who posted that comment, but I can list more characters from other fighting games that were banned.

G&W can't give himself an automatic reflector.
G&W can't give himself damage and speed boosts.
G&W can't get a special bonus recovery just because he so happens to be offstage.
G&W can't kill someone with a variety of ranged explosions
G&W can't call down a giant ball of energy, basically a final smash when smash balls are turned off.
G&W can't crit people for a huge amount of bonus damage and knockback from just landing a smash.
Game and Watch has a slow hammer with a tiny range that only has a small chance of being good damage-wise. I'm so sick of people comparing these two. Hero's randomness is so much more likely to pay off in his favor, and if people really can't see that I don't know what to say.

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>people

Majority of Australia is full of fucking spastics, but that's what happens when you have a bunch of convicts fuck a bunch of immigrants.

Can't allow final smashes when Zelda's and Snake exists. Those are a bigger "i win" button than most items and most assist trophies.

Cope dilate cuck s.oy cum.brain

As a whole obviously the SA scene isn't as good as the Vic or NSW but there's definitely some high ranked players.
Dunno if we have an Australia wide PR.

Nigger you have people in other fighters banning stages because of the background having annoying colors or shadowing. Does nobody remember the last year where SFIV was at EVO and the only stage used in top 8 was the training stage?

The reason why stages are banned are as follows:
>Walk-offs result in super campy playstyles
>Large stages lead to circle-camping
>Some stages are so fucking huge that games WILL go to time
>To give purpose to stage-striking

There's a reason why only one Pokemon Stadium stage is legal at any major and why they don't have Dreamland and Midgar along with Battlefield.

>still more popular than any trash game you like
Doubt it's more popular than fortnite buddy :^)

funny

when did tekken 7 or SF5 COMPLETELY BAN A CHARACTER OR MOVE/GLITCH ABUSE?

What do you expect?
Nintendo apologists aren’t logical and will avoid it at all costs so their illusion of the perfect company that can do no wrong isn’t broken.

>Implying Charizard is bad
Stop listening to leffen

A girl?

Not just an item in Ultimate.

the same was said about mexico until smash 4, maybe you guysll get it in the next game

Thanks for taking the L, champ.

If we did you could guarantee that SA wouldn't even be close to top 8, in either Melee or Ultimate.

they banned hitbox, if that counts

Leffen is actually good at fighting games and was able to win supermajors for DBFZ. Ultimate is mechanically very similar to Smash 4 so in turn all of the top players are ex-Sm4sh players who had a 5 year head start. I think it's hilarious how you guys always shit on Melee and say it's impossible for fresh meat to compete with the top players in that game because they've had a huge head start in terms of skill, but call Leffen a shitter in Ultimate because he's not winning against people who have years of experience on him.

They would just play melee

I like how he just picks apart Leffen's whiny responses completely using frame data.

You too sweetie :)

a gamer

No they didn't

>Able to win a supermajor
Keep stroking daddy

What the fuck is going on at the top right corner?
Is that a hand holding a gun back to back with a pokemon?

Nick is definitely top 5 in Aus.

just parry lol

Literally this

Leffen is/was pretty good at DBFZ, but no way in hell could he win a supermajor. He couldn't even get into top 8 at EVO or CEO or what have you and was typically seeded 15-25 which is accurate when you consider his placements and wins.

Hoes mad

Why the fuck do you care? Other people are willing to put their money on the line to find out who is the best. How does this affect you? Whether this is for Smash or Mario Party or Tic-Tac-Toe, it doesn't matter, people play what they want to. This is way better than being paid to play something they don't want to.

>G&W can't crit people for a huge amount of bonus damage and knockback from just landing a smash.
>Game and Watch has a slow hammer with a tiny range that only has a small chance of being good damage-wise
Game and watch can combo into said hammer.
Also, he has almost a 50% chance of getting 5 and up, which are decent in damage dealing.

How is it solved retard?

t. Nick

No one cares about "cringe" faggot retard

Nah, I'm Vic.

I love to laugh at his anger. I don't even like melee but seeing leffen ree over puff gives me joy

>A character who, even under the absolute best circumstances, is still less consistent than Luigi

This actually did not happen.

Don't have sex.

>Game and watch can combo into said hammer.
D-throw to Judgment stops at around 50% on heavies and even earlier on lightweight characters. It's almost always better to string nairs.

Why is peach allowed? Checkmate, atheists.

Who would have sex with a gamer?

I forget the name, what was that tech you could only pull off with defective controllers so some smash players were dropping from tourneys with all working controllers?

Just imagine if they added a character that has RNG and critical hits on a real fighting game.

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None of it?

Leffen was top 20 at best in dragon ball his only notable wins were on dogura who doesn't even practice dragon ball. Also supermajor is a concept invented by smashfags don't use that shit when talking about fighting games.

There are a lot of ways to get your stocks cheesed, but top players will still come out on top even in best of 3 because of the stage counterpick. Hero's RNG at its absolute best still isn't the worst thing that could happen in ultimate.

I forget if he ended up dropping or not but Armada outright said if they didn't have a controller with the malfunction he was dropping from singles. Then again this was melee.

That's still not any of the statement that was made.

There is no tech that requires a defective controller

so pools are FT3 in smash?

interesting.

Pools are Bo3.

No its "best of 3", so maximum is 3 games but you can make it through with 2 wins in a row.

user, are you lacking reading comprehension? He's asking what the name of the tech was. The other said there isn't so he clarified.
But it had to do with snap back on the sticks and some other things with the controller. If your controller was broken correctly it could let you pull off certain tech more consistently than normal proper Gamecube Controllers.

9 and 6 are the only two good hammers for damage and knockback. 5's do 12% if you land all four with virtually no knockback, 7's do 14% which is ok but not too much knockback, and 8's just freeze people. Also, the only throw combo that leads into hammer stops working after low percents. The more consistent throw option is nair and then MAYBE try your luck with judgement.

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No, mostly top 32 or 64. It's actually hilarious because at events such as EVO you can see the tier 1 players vs the tier 2 players. Tier 1 players dont give a shit they'll win bo3 or Bo5. Tier 2 players get dunked on by borderline randoms.

So Bayonetta was allowed to rape the scene for years unopposed but Hero gets banned?

SEETHE MORE WHILE YOU PLAY GAYLEE WITH THE REST OF YOUR 35 YEAR OLD MAN CHILDREN

fuck me really? shit that must take a while.

>The most difficult tech in melee is only about the equivalent of an IAD
>All the movement tech only makes melee a game where poking is safer than any other fighting game, even other smash games

Nearly every fighting game does Best of 3. This isn't some new thing.

oh wait best of 3 is FT2, my bad.

user is remembering 2017 Dreamhack Austin, Armada said if he couldn't find the right busted GCC for melee he'd pull out of Singles.

japan pools are bo1 round robins

That's Falco
youtube.com/watch?v=cVikZ8Oe_XA

Nobody, aka Rem or Xion

>He's not designed for competitive.

What made these guys think they were playing a competitive fighter?

Wasn't that just about shield drop notches? That's just a specific angle, any controller can do it

No reading involved.

>1e11en

gay

What tech are you even referring to?

Popularity isn't important.

SSB Melee > fighting games

Fuck off.

Why does this even matter? His instant kill is still easier to land and more reliable than Hero’s

Isn't Hero kinda shitty in competitive play?

>still more popular than any trash game you like
>Popularity isn't important.

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Cope