Are you excited?

No, it looks absolutely horrible.

That's a full on remake, not a remaster.

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That's a remake though

That's an old picture. It looks better now.

Why, are there any news?

Nice try, that's literally just an edited screenshot of the original.

It'll come out on Switch soon,PC at a later date

No.

No Grandia Xtreme, no sale.

I was, then I saw that they did an awful job and it's not even a remaster of the original

Why is it based on the hideous and inferior PS1 port and not the Saturn original?

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Leak when?

Can't copy and paste quads over to a tris renderer.
That was yet another disadvantage to the Saturn, they chose quads for their polygons when the industry started to settle on tris which made porting to and from their system more expensive since all 3d assets would have to be retooled, so many devs just didn't bother.

Can somebody explain why people love remasters?

There has never been a good one, something is always fucked up
-the lighting in Devil May Cry trilogy
-the background animations/lighting in REmake
-the faces in Final Fantasy X/X-2
-the everything in Silent Hill 2/3
and emulating doesn't cost you anything, nor does pirating a PSX game on real hardware if you want the authentic 100% deal.

What do you gain from this? What satisfaction do you get from a group of retards shitting something up and asking you to pay for it?

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looks pretty advantageous here

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These floor textures confuse the fuck out of me

Holy crap. The blurry backgrounds always bothered me.

>-the faces in Final Fantasy X/X-2
Whats bizarre is that they did the rest of the porting really well, I have no fucking clue why they would change the look of characters, especially the protagonist so radically out of nowhere.

it looks far better but the industry settled on the cheaper easier standard. Basically the Betamax conundrum all over again

they were supposed to be 3D all along
[laughs in ken kutaragi]

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The industry uses quads for everything today. It's GPUs that subdivide into triangles and process them as triangles - everyone in modeling, animation, texturing relies on quads, not triangles. GPUs are literally built around how well they can subdivide.

There a lots of good remasters. And not everything can be emulated well. There is nothing wrong with making old software compatible with modern hardware. It’s game preservation and it gives people an opprotunity to play the game if they never did before. And if they really fuck it up the originals always exist. Its really a non issue.

>the lighting in REmake
????

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Same here.
Why are they different?

Oh are we going to see Shadow of the Colossus levels of delusion when it turns out looking better than the original
>"O-ORIGINAL IS BETTER ROTATING JPEGS WORK BETTER THAN SMOKE EFFECTS FOR SMOKE, IT'S ATMOSPHERIC"
God you faggots can be so delusional defending your nostalgia sometimes

Damn, I never knew the PSX version took such a hard it on some of it's texturing. Which is weird since the Saturn version didn't have a RAM advantage since it wasn't using the expansion slot. Wonder if they just did it to improve load times.

ps1 kept wobbling and they couldn't do building shadows so they just replaced some textures making the whole thing look weird.

SotC ruined the vision of the original

Not only was this a remake, but it’s an ass version of the game. Literally inferior to the original

Honestly, no.

>, but it’s an ass version of the game. Literally inferior to the original
It's not even out yet

Not really, it's not even the Saturn version. They plastered that revolting smothering filter on the sprites even.

>SotC ruined the vision of the original
By looking better?
Shit that's crazy yo.
I haven't played the remaster myself since I don't own a PS quad, but from all of the side by sides a bunch of retards made to prove the new one was worse it looked better.
So this "It doesn't feel right" critique just looks like nostalgiafag asshurt

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>It’s game preservation and it gives people an opprotunity to play the game

The "opportunity" is a $25 dollar PS1 at Disc Replay and $1 for a CD-R value pack. Or a download of an emulator of your choosing.

If people wanted to play it they would have played it.

>Why are they different?

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>By looking better?
looks worse really, i wanna see you get mad over it tho

Don't know anything about it. Sorry i cant contribute to the discussion.

It depends on what version you are talking about.

The Remaster (PS3) I have few issues with. The increased framerate changed the physics alot but it wasn't an issue to me, its fine.

The Remake (PS4) is just dumb. Why would you ground up rebuild the same game but worse?

>looks worse really, i wanna see you get mad over it tho
If you can prove it and make me eat crow I'll be more than happy to backpedal for you

Don't care to, sounds like you've seen all the other comparisons and refuse to accept them. sotc ps4 looks like hideous, colorless shit.

Whichever version got people to defend rotating jpegs I guess, not sure which one it was but seeing them go for the "MUH SILENT HILL" approach when it clearly looked better was stupid

Not the guy you are responding to, but it's not the graphics that ruined the SotC PS3 remaster and PS4 remake.

The PS3 version was surprisingly actually ruined by improving the game's framerate while leaving the game's physics exactly the same as the PS2 version, which was tuned to play nicely at its slow down speeds. This made the game extremely frustrating to play because Wander became way harder to control when climbing the colossi.

The PS4 version on the other hand, has a completely new physics engine which gives the game a different feel that just isn't as good, and has a ton of its own issues like moon jumping even worse than the original and silly ragdolling.

See, now that's something I didn't know about, every single thread when the game released were bitching about atmosphere and soul, then decided to roll out side by sides where the new one looked better, absolutely no one addressed any of the gameplay shit most likely because the shitposters didn't play it.
That makes sense I guess, doesn't make either game unplayable though right? Or would I just be better off emulating a PS2 and playing the original if I want to play again?

The PS3 version was based off the PAL PS2 version which used altered physics that result in Wander being needlessly harder to control, resulting in slipping up while barely moving.

I hate calling the PS4 game "a version". It is an entirely new game. Its as much a version as Goldeneye Wii is to the N64 game. It's a remake.

Seeing as how this is one of those PS1 JRPGs that I never played, yeah I suppose I will pick it up.

I played all three versions. The PS3 port is by far the worst of the three. The PS4 version is fine most of the time but every now and then something silly happens because of the new engine and it kinda takes you out of it.

Also, good luck emulating SotC, it's infamously hard to do.

psx can't do z depth math or something thats why everything wobbles in games (only 2 of 3 axis are being mathed correctly). newer emulators can fix that which makes it look much better.

the number one thing grandia 2 needs is a proper hard mode. they added one in the 2015 ae version but it was still easy. i don't care about the graphics.

lmao

>Also, good luck emulating SotC, it's infamously hard to do
Not anymore. Runs at fullspeed on a i3 2.3 Ghz

>Also, good luck emulating SotC, it's infamously hard to do.
This isn't 2010 user, PCSX2 has come a long LONG way and is ezpz to emulate now, as with the Ace Combat games, DMC3, etc, etc.
Always surprises me how few of people seem to realize that PS2 emulation has been good for a while now and think nothing changed in the last decade.

Fuck no.

>Vert- widescreen (means FOV just cuts off top and bottom from original 4:3 screenspace)
>Pre-filtered assets (they filtered all the textures and sprites at the source, can't even turn off filters)
>Japanese audio broken because it's stolen from an incomplete fan undub and has the exact same bugs as said fan undub with roughly 50% of battle audio lines and entire endgame still playing Eng audio
>Bugs galore with missing SFX in both UI and gameplay
>Based on PS1 version despite them lying saying it was based on vastly superior Saturn version
>Didn't fix the massive audio desync issues in Grandia 2
>Didn't fix the memory leak issues in Grandia 2

No thanks.

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Nice try shills, it's from the """remaster""" (more like demaster).
Source of screenshots here:
nintendo.com/games/detail/grandia-hd-collection-switch/

Pls be bait.

>digital only
Into the trash it goes.

The backgrounds are rendered in real time on Saturn, on PS1 they are a low res bitmap texture prerender, that's why it's blurry as shit.

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It's actually a bug in PS1 version where the tilesets are rotated and in wrong order, which is why ground textures are also rotated and in wrong order ergo misaligned.

$40 for a broken, overfiltered mess. No thanks.

>$40 for a half-assed ROM dump with a godawful filter that's also the inferior PS1 version instead of SAT
>not even a physical release
Hard pass from me.

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Oh and the filtering is extremely inconsistent which you can see on that screenshots.
Character sprites, overworld textures and spells are filtered with SuperEagle/Super2xSaI filter, battle backgrounds are filtered with Bilinear filter while shadows are filtered with Nearest Neighbour.

Quality fucking shit.

I hope the PC release of 1 gets fixed by modders

yes. never finished grandia 1 for some reason and grandia 2 sucked shit to emulate

To anyone that wants to experience Grandia 1 and 2 properly, Saturn and Dreamcast versions respectively are the best ones.
Grandia 1 Saturn was never officially translated, but there's a guy fantranslating it from scratch with very large amount of progress already and basically weekly progress updates:
segaxtreme.net/threads/translating-grandia.24330/page-13

Grandia 2 Dreamcast emulates perfectly on DEmul and has a proper Undub AND Retranslation available for it.
Retranslated because the English localization was censored and in some places drastically altered from JP script which made it all the more obvious with Undubbed audio so the guy just retranslated all instances of incorrect translations in addition to the undub.
isans.blogspot.com/2016/04/grandia-ii-undub-10-released.html

Avoid this shit, broken port.

But I can't play those on my Switch.

So you'd rather play bugged, broken and visually raped versions of the game just because of portability?
Grandia 2 is so horribly broken it has unrecoverable save corruption due to memory leaks, crashes also due to memory leaks and worst of all complete audio desync from the text that's currently displayed on screen because they (rightfully so) used original Dreamcast source code for it but (retardedly so) used the PAL version's source code which was locked at 25 FPS, but converted it to 30 FPS which caused all of the game's internal framerate-based logic to go completely out of whack hence why you get massive audio desync issues that get worse the longer you play because there's an ever widening gap between the audio (that still is timed to 25 FPS) and gameplay (which is now 30 FPS).

I mean, if you want to play broken, overfiltered shit then be my guest, waste 40$ and knock yourself out.

the saturn version.....WHICH THE SWITCH VERSION IS USING............?

and the Dreamcast version..........WHICH THE SWITCH IS ALSO USING...........?

what is the difference faggot?
the switch version is best anyway.

>WHICH THE SWITCH VERSION IS USING............?
It isn't.

>the Dreamcast version..........WHICH THE SWITCH IS ALSO USING...........?
PAL version, improperly converted to 30 FPS causing shitload of issues + memory leak on top of it due to being ported by chinese mobile phone devs.

how do YOU know? faggot!?
you don't have the game yet!

WE CAN PATCH IT TOO!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!

why do you...... TYPE LIKE A TRANNY....??
and also....... why aren't you banned yet...... DESPITE BEING UNDERAGE....!?

I do because I fucking played it on E3 (Grandia 1) and because I do have this shit port of Grandia 2 already.
>We
I don't know what's worse, the prospect of you being a dumb LARPing fanboy or one of the devs asshurt over having your dirty laundry paraded in front of everyone on an anonymous basket knitting forum.

It won't.

The number one underlying issue (it being based on the inferior PS1 version) can't be fixed.

I just want to own and play grandia on a modern system.
You people, christ, did gung-ho rape your mother too?

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>JUST BUY BUY BUY, CONSUME AND STOP ASKING QUESTIONS, STOP TALKING ABOUT ALL THE ISSUES, BE A GOOD GOY AND BUY BUY BUY THE MORE YOU BUY THE MORE YOU SAVE

This is (You).

How dare people point out the port is broken in many ways, why those goyim should be euthanized and their funds transferred into out bank accounts directly, oy vey it's like anudda shoah!

How do you know the Swich port is the same as the PC port?

Because it's made by the same people and stated to be a direct port of the PC version? Retard.
They even said they'll rename the PC version in everyone's Steam libraries from "Anniversary Edition" to "HD Edition" for consistency.

Why do the PS1 triangles shake? Or am I imagining that?

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Because PS1 isn't a true 3D console and doesn't have Z-Buffer.
An object in 3D space needs to have it's information calculated in 3 dimensions obviously.
These are generally referred to as X, Y and Z.
PS1 can only do the proper math for X and Y while Z is approximated based on data from X and Y.
That's what causes PS1's infamous warping and wobbling.

Well we'll see tomorrow. I'm buying it no matter what so I don't care if it's broken and/or buggy. I will still enjoy it.

Nobody ever stopped peasants from eating shit and I sure as hell can't stop you now, I just hope you're aware you're the cancer killing videogames by enabling these kind of practices of shit ports.

A shit port is better than no port.

Okay
Have fun staying mad while I play grandia.

And before some autist says Saturn isn't a true 3D console either because it uses quads instead of polygons (aka triangles), that's flat out wrong.
Quads are just as valid and legitimate method of 3D, they just didn't didn't catch on in popularity much like voxels didn't.

>SotC can be properly emulated on PCSX2 finally
>Valkyrie Profile 2 still has too many emulation issues and runs like crap
>It'll likely never be fixed

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no
i played grandia back in the day
i dont give a shit about remasters
you'd think people would have gotten tired of this meme already
make a new game

Why would I play a shit port when I can already play the originals on PS1, PS2, Saturn and Dreamcast?
Or heck, emulate them at whim?

You're free to eat shit, nobody stops you, consume consume consume, don't ask questions, get excited for new shit and consume that too.

Because you can't play those versions on your Switch.

Oh no, I can't play on one out of over 20 platforms that I own, whatever will I do?! The horror!
How does it feel to be underage and console warrior pleb with only a single console?

"slap a shitty filter over the sprites and call it a day" edition more like.

What are you talking about? You can run a PS1 emulator on your switch easily.

Millennia > Tio > Elena

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>"B-b-but you can't play them on Switch so they MUST be inferior!"
user, that's beyond retarded even by Nintendo fan standards.

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Exquisite tastes, user

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I want to incinerate every console elitist fanboy flamewarring falseflagging faggot in this thread.

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>No version for PS4
Nope.

who wins the 2020 election, john titor

HD remaster of fucking wjat? There is already a HD remaster of 2 on PC (or emulation).

1 isn't getting redrawn sprites so who the fuck cares?

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this all i cared about was G1. and it got NOTHING

>seething snoygger

The French PS1 version has the worst dub I've ever heard. Not even "so bad it's good" like Fist of the North Star anime, it was just shit. They also kept the English dub, so you had to listen to both at the same time.

>Grandia 2 is one of the best JRPGs I ever played and have been waiting for this since it got announced
>$40
I'll.. wait.. doesn't help that Astral Chains comes out soon and I've still yet to beat Fire Emblem.

Never finished Grandia 2 even though I was near the end, I was probably at the last dungeon.

Did you have the reveal that God is evil? If so, you were close to the end.

Yeah actually. Both great games. Already own Grandia 2 on PC.

Yeah, just looked through walkthrough and it looks like I was at the last dungeon, I have no idea why I never finished it and I don't have my saves anymore too.