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>A challenge that can be overcome through grinding or brute force is not a satisfying challenge.
Why not?
You still aren't giving an argument, you're just stating your claim again using more words. Classic petitio principii fallacy.
>r/iamverysmart
What's that? I don't use reddit.

Bitch their was literally a two years difference stop trying to play the generation age game you Boomer Larper.

by this retard logic the only good games are ones that are played against other people in real time because they are the only ones with a theoretically unlimited skill ceiling. So DKC2 is objectively shit

I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was communicating with a retard. Yes, there are some assumptions here. This is an English board, this is about videogames, and you have an IQ above 50 before posting.

The argument is that games that have challenges that are overcome by improving in skill and strategy are better and more well designed challenges than braindead grind and killing dozens of trash mobs for big number. RNG can create more unique scenarios and prevent a game from being purely muscle memoet, but excessive RNG such as over-reliance on power-ups is removing agency from the player and making them reliant on luck.

But why you will say? But why? But why? I enjoy the taste of shit! I enjoy a game where I don't need to commit any thought, strategy, or motor skills to play and beat! You're welcome to your opinion, just make sure to put your helmet and kneepads on before going outside.

but can you fall on to the ledge after hitting the ceiling

I don't think many people would really refute that. This is only in the context of retro/singleplayer games though. Although in general I feel that obstacles and good level design are better tests of skill than trying to beat a rudimentary and easily exploitable AI.

>Spend 20 hours playing and beating an RPG using optimal strategy vs grinding 400 hours because you can't git gud
Cool thing though literally nobody does that second thing even though it is technically possible

Sounds like bullshit scrub talk.

>wrpg kun is this mad that people enjoy other videogames

Pretty much every JRPG is just braindead grinding with little strategical element. That's the core gameplay loop. And occasionally you may grind on braindead trash mobs to get your bigger damage number so you can grind on braindead stronger enemies.

For the people that can't enjoy games that have the option of grinding: does the existence of an easy mode spoil your enjoyment of hard mode?

*blocks your path*

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>when you're playing a JRPG and the big number comes on the screen.
It's so freaking epic bros.. I'm literally shaking rn

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Depends on the genre
While skill should be what a game is balanced around, with the player developing more skill over the course of the game and being rewarded for it, “skill” itself depends on the genre
In a platformer, “skill” is defined by reaction time, knowledge of how the character interacts with the environment, and how well you can manipulate the character.
But for a classic RPG, “skill” is more based on knowledge than mechanical ability. You don’t need to work harder to be better at a classic RPG, you just need to know what to do in a situation. Thus the “skill” is being knowing how to make the big number appear on screen. Basically, knowing how to get the optimal setup for each fight.

>gay fish low effort template bait thread n°4325

>when you go to an online gaming board and they don't outline their argument like you were taught in your freshman debate class

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they hated him because he told the truth

>argue with me.
>"with what?"
>WOWWWWW SORRY I CANT BE FUCKIN ASSED TO WRITE OUT A COHERENT THOUGHT YOU FUCKING ONIONS BOY FAGGOT BITCH NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER

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I unironically find these funny. What is wrong with me?

then why does Yea Forums suck so badly at them?

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Nearly every jrpg thread has shown that Yea Forums is full of retarded casuals that can't grasp basic concepts like skills and equipment.

>braindead skinner box that it is.
its only a braindead skinnerbox when someone who is shit at the game needs to grind to not get destroyed

and the funny part is that the same casuals will claim that jrpgs take no skill and only bing bing wahoo counts as real games.

Mario should get bumped up to high tier. There are many situations where powerups are actually detrimental.

>when you're so shit at an rpg that you have to grind to beat it and call it mindless because you never learned how to actually play it

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It's almost like designing how challenge is presented to the player has more to do with choosing what you want the player to focus on and experience than trying to fit some autist's super serious internet opinion of what the "correct answer" is for all games.

>KNITTING IS HIGH TIER BECAUSE ITS CHALLENGES ARE OVERCOME BY GETTING GOOD
>Grandmaster tier chess is shit tier because challenges are overcome by moving things from one square to another
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That's some funny shit. I would like to see that poster deal with something like Xenoblade Chronicles X battlesystem, especially rushing through the game.

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>>wrpg kun is this mad that people enjoy other videogames
COPE

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>CT is still the best game on that list

7 of those are all great games, and one of them is F zero.