Why are the settings of newer RPGs (Western and Japanese) so boring compared to older ones?

In recent years, only the Xenoblade games have a world as interesting Skies of Arcadia. Skies and Xeno being my favorite jrpgs, I guess it does makes sense for them to have that as a common ground. Also, now that I think about it, cloud seas and floating islands are a classic, yet I feel like I don't see them that much.

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>Generic fantasy setting

I'm assuming because you look at all games from your past through lenses of nostalgia

Not bad, not bad, but this is the best-looking game of the past decade.

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Too bad about the plot and the 'protagonist.'

Well, XCX is also up there of course, at least when it comes to exploring the world, but I wanted to post something akin to Skies of Arcadia in its setting and tone

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Are you trying to imply generic sky pirates was a good setting? Yikes, weebs really have no taste

Why are a human Sticks the Jungle Badger and a Fire Emblem troubadour being lesbians in front of Anime Big Boss?

>i-it's original!!!

Sure

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I hope you stub your toe user.

What would skies of Arcadia fans think about it getting the FF7 remake treatment?

Higher fidelity graphics and action combat

I'd love it. The combat was the worst part of the game. Even 1-button FFXV combat would be better.

>Muh action
Yeah no thanks. The only combat that needs an overhaul is the airships.

Action combat is uneeded, but reworking the SP system so magic could be useful outside of buffs would be a boon

I'm just coping with the fact that there will never be a sequel or rerelease

The environments are the only good thing about this game. Reminded me of PS1 pre-rendered backgrounds. Shame the rest of the game is so embarassing.

Legends patch with Dreamcast music fucking when?

If that’s what it takes to get this game back out there then so be it. So long as the ship combat is still turn based

This is now a Skies of Arcadia thread. Post your favorite
>character
>ship
>town
>soundtrack
>boss battle
>sky battle
>discovery
>mfw I recently re-played the game and ended up taking over 2,000 screenshots. Damn you fraps

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The worst town music of any game.

ABSOLUTELY NOT
DO NOT FIX WHAT ISN'T BROKEN

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>posts generic anime fantasy setting number 21

i loved xc but xc2 is anime: the game

Baten Kaitos also has one of the best RPG settings of all time, and Chrono Cross is the most well-realized tropical world I can think of.
Yasuyuki Honne is just a god when it comes to environment design.

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Reiko Kodama is the best director Sega ever had.

>character
For me, it's Vigoro.

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if I can recall the Dreamcast version uses a different sound format from the Gamecube version. So someone would have to redo all the tracks in the game under the new Gamecube format and make sure there aren't any bugs or looping issues.

I'd rather it got the Wild ARMs 5 treatment,.

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>JRPG is really anime
And this is bad because?

Vyse easily although Aika is a close second
The Delphinus. It’s your ship and moonstone cannon
The capital of the desert biome. Can’t remember the name but had a great atmosphere and enjoyed the story there
Ixa taka hands down. Although I’m a big fan of the title screen music myself
Not a boss battle per see but saving Vyse dad and the other pirates and then escaping from Vaula
The first titan fight. Really set the pace for the rest of the game
Probably discovering the world is round.

The did. To the Game Cube. Except for the sound quality, it is glorious.

I'm just getting into X - as in just starting Chapter 4 and trying not to get my ass kicked by level 20 Indigens. I'll likely say "fuck it" and use the trainer at some point, especially with the Miiverse dead.

>Baten Kaitos
This x1000000000000000

Anyone else wish Wild ARMs 3 had succeeded at ripping off Skies or Arcadia better?

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This was a disappointment for me. I read 'skies' and in the opening chapter there were sky pirates, but most of the game was on the fucking ground. Don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed it... but yeah, thought it was gonna be a sky pirate game.

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>rip off skies of arcadia
You're going to have to elaborate on that

I'd like to know too.

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Because everything has already been done before.
Because RPGs no longer sell compared to the CoDs and FIFAs and have comparitively low budget for more game.
Because both combined means cookie-cutter rehash with minimal effort copy-pasta.

Which version is best? I heard the gaycube had compressed audio?

You either choose more content (Gamecube) or better audio (Dreamcast.)

I thought the same thing but ended up loving it nonetheless

"more content" like what?

Adding onto this, the Dreamcast version has a higher random encounter rate

>character
I always had a sweet spot for Fina-like characters waifu before my 11y/o self knew what waifus were. If secondary cast, then based Vigoro.
>ship
The Delphinus is peak ship to me.
>town
Note sure on this one, I basically loved all of them. Probably Nasrad, I'm usually not fond of desert town, but this one just clicked with me.
>soundtrack
Ixa Taka and Esperanza
>sky battle
The one over Yafutoma
>discovery
World is round, motherfuckers

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They added some sidequests.

How come there isn't a sound pack file for Dolphin anyways? I mean, how hard would it be. It wouldn't be the first game having its audio altered to make it better

The reason the GameCube version has shitty audio is because the DSP effects from the Dreamcast's sound chip weren't ported over. Somebody would have to reprogram these DSP effects for the GameCube's sound chip. It might not even be possible.

youtube.com/watch?v=lNugQ37VUqw

Think I'll get the Dreamcast version.

Anybody else rockin this bad boi?

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I had the VGA box, which was pretty decent. I'd be interested to see how that would work.

Well, there's the Sand Craft battles like pic related, which was a pretty big copy job that utterly failed in the end. Other than that was the part about characters in-battle but not up for their turn trading non-hitting attacks with their nearest opponents like SoA (and no other console JRPG at the time) did. It didn't ripoff SoA in its entirety, but the ship battles were and obvious ripoff.

forums.dolphin-emu.org/Thread-gc-skies-of-arcadia-legends--26018?pid=492907#pid492907

We need someone to get onto this.

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>Gamecube
Compressed Mono Audio
Extra content (side quests and even a new story and character)
Graphically better
Lower encounter rate

>Dreamcast
Superior Stereo Audio
Pinta's Quest if you have a VMU
Highest image quality if you have a VGA box (480i vs 480p)
Higher encounter rate

I'd recommend Dreamcast over Gamecube since the sound quality is just so much better it really ruins the game to hear a butchered version throughout.

Dreamcast OST: youtube.com/watch?v=z5oERC4cD8g&
Gamecube OST: youtube.com/watch?v=sAxPyLbsYJQ

There's probably a few more nitpicky issues like how the Gamecube has small insignificant graphical errors and is technically easier due to higher exp distribution, but if you can play through FF7 you can play through Dreamcast SoA no problem.

It's up to you though, Dolphin can emulate SoA beautifully and in 3D so it might be the better choice if you have a good rig.

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>Merida
>Albatross
>Nasrad
>"Let's Go!" Theme
>Vize, Anita, and Faina
>Alania
>Sky Ladder

based knowledge bro

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>Square Enix in charge of remaking SoA
>All anime style and characters are removed and replaces with hyper realistic graphics
>Belts and zippers
>Light and darkness
>Secret ending that implies a sequel is in the works but really isn't

Thanks, I kept that all in my head for threads like these since everyone is so quick to suggest Gamecube when I personally think the Dreamcast version is better, but honestly in the future I might as well just refer to this article I just found: brightslap.com/2017/08/29/skies-of-arcadia-showdown-dreamcast-vs-gamecube/

It actually does a good job in breaking it all down, although he could've used a better audio choice since I feel the opening in both sounds fine even if there is a noticeable difference in both.

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DC fag here that replayed it on the Gamecube recently. The encounter rate is so high on the DC that it's honestly a slog. GCN's encounter rate is actually reasonable.

>character
Aika. Spicy redheads in spats are my fetish.
>ship
Delphinus, decked-out in luxury items
>town
Yafutoma. I loved the multi-tier aspect.
>soundtrack
Armada Battle. You know shit just blew-up the fan when this song starts, then it turns into this beautiful soaring title that leaves you feeling like "Yeah, I can do this!" The title theme is a VERY close second.
>boss battle
Any featuring Vigoro, especially in the Game Cupe version.
>sky battle
Recumen: The Red Gigas. Itty Bitty little fishing ship vs A MOTHER FUCKING EVANGELION ANGEL... and when the party realizes they're gonna get their shit pushed in they decide to pick a fight against A MOTHER FUCKING BATTLESHIP instead as the weaker target. Video games do NOT have this feel anymore.
>discovery
Those God-damned Flutterflies. Just finding the fuckers even with a guide is a nightmare, which is why they're my fave. At least once they're found and it's over with.

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lazy and uninspired

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There's just something about that image...

>Better graphics
Sure, but the old one was fine
>action combat
fuck no, the combat was classic turn-based at its finest

>Releasing it in chapters
>First chapter is the valua imperial ship and shrine island only.

I can't believe they implemented boobs physics already

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Wasn't there a patch for the music in the GC version?

The only ones able to do it justice are these guys. You know it's true. The tone would be kept, and the world would be as amazing and expanded. And the reworked soundtrack would be earkino again.

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I've been trying to get into the game, but the battle system just annoys the shit out of me. I keep hearing people praise this game but it just isn't doing anything for me.

I don't like how you have to put in everyone's commands at the beginning of every turn, without knowing which order they're going to execute in or when the enemies are going to attack. I don't like that you can't use Focus to raise your SP and then use it on another character in the same turn. Magic costing SP makes it useless IMO, especially when you can buy items that let you cast magic without consuming MP or SP. MP is extremely limited in early game which further makes using magic pointless. Shared SP, high boss damage, frequent status ailments, and enemy counter-attacks mean that I spend every boss fight with only my strongest character focused on damage while the weaker ones focus on healing, dispelling status ailments, and raising SP for more powerful attacks.

Ship battles are kind of neat, but they feel so scripted. I feel like all you have to do is react to the colors and symbols on the grid.

One day I hope someone makes a mod to have Fina in the pirate outfit be playable.

Gotta give some props to Vigoro's battleship too. That thing is so fucking retarded I love it.

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the xenoblade titles have bar none the best area designs of any RPG

Skies of Arcadia, remade on the Switch by Monolithsoft. All the content of the Game Cube version, reworked HD graphics. Re-recorded music and effects. Islands expanded-on to a degree where random encounters are replaced with in-field encounters that still follows the Turn-based, SP-building fun of the original yet faster-paced. Any island with a dock/flat land can be explored for exp/discoveries/etc. Ship battles follow the same in-field encounter style, can attract both additional enemies (and/or Blue Rogue allies) depending on placement/decisions. Grander Gigas fights. More recruitable shipmates.

Nah, not seeing it.

S-stop it :'(

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Also make discoveries into on foot instead of press a button while in your ship. If every island can be landed on and explored.

why would monolith bother remaking skies of arcadia when they could just do baten kaitos instead?

Are you just looking for things to complain about or have you never played a turn-based jrpg in your life?

Over compensation much. God that game had so much beautiful innuendo.

Fuck you, user. Stop making me IMAGINE

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Why not both?

I've played turn-based jrpgs, this one just has a lot of annoying things about it. Bosses' regular attacks hitting for 50% of some party members' health means I can't use those party members to attack at all. If they get countered and then get hit on the boss's turn, they'll die in a single turn. So instead I have to have them just heal on every turn so that I can at least still get SP from them being alive.

Are you retarded or do you not remember the number of sky-bound discoveries?

>I am bad at the game

Fuck, I'd be plenty happy if we simply got a few more rpgs with contemporary or scifi-style settings, but aside from MegaTen and Pokemon (plus a few shittier monster collecting ripoff franchises) I don't recall many recent titles doing that either. Would help counteract the mass of generic fantasy.

This, hell might as well throw Solatorobo in while we're at it.

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The sequel is even better. Also fairy girls.

literally git gud

>cloud seas and floating islands are a classic, yet I feel like I don't see them that much.
granblue uses this setting if relink ever comes out

Got those games on my backlog. Been there since I got them a decade ago because, while I know they're good, I hate card mechanics.

I don't know much about Grandblue besides doujins, would I need to know anything about it before getting in Relink, or is it newfag friendly?

Well if I'm doing something wrong, I wouldn't mind knowing what it is. I just finished the temple in the sand area. Vyse is Lv16, Aika Lv15, Fina Lv14. I don't know what I can do to avoid getting 2-shotted aside from guarding or grinding.

Pretty much this. I'm sure Skies of Arcadia would bounce off me if I visited it for the first time today, but I fell in love with it hard when I was 13.

Who do you think gets to be captain in the bedroom?

relink is supposed to be a standalone story, so i'd imagine you don't need to play the mobage but who knows when it's coming out

Is this cutie part of the crew?

Normal levels for that point are like 12 all around, you're either exaggerating about normal attacks doing that much damage or you're just incurably bad at video games

Yes

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She was also part of my teenage wank bank.

In theory yes but you're better off giving her job to the buff, shirtless Arabian guy since he provides better bonuses.

Generic fantasy would be a dramatic improvement, the current anime aesthetic is absolutely repulsive.

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Never getting a Skies of Arcadia remake or sequel hurts because there's a lot of cool ideas and mechanics that would be easily expanded with modern hardware.

Fuck me I want it so bad.

Normally this is the part where I say "Now I buy your game". But in this case it will be emulation.

Ditto.

The boss was doing over 500 damage per attack. Fina's HP is about 1100. I even bought her the armor from the town before I came here. I'm playing the Gamecube version if that makes any difference.

In case you misunderstood me, she's part of the crew in the sense she's recruitable for your ship's crew. She's not a party member.

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Let me guess you didn't equip it

>the ixataka dancer with the absolutely useless crew stat because ship value was a dropped mechanic but they couldnt bother to give her something else because reasons?

Switch port pleae

How's the Dreamcast version emulateable?

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Recruitable is good enough.

It's a boss, they're meant to hit hard. You still shouldn't have to be guarding constantly, and if you made it that far without picking up even a slight idea of what you should be doing you probably some issues that advice won't solve. Make a point of carrying plenty of healing items and prioritize learning purple and green magic. Rush Vyse's and Aika's S Moves. Never run from battle, ever. If all else fails spend about 2 hours grinding. This is one of the easiest games to break by grinding ever made.

FUCK NO!

Here's what I got from my save after that boss, right before the Gigas ship battle.

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>sequel
you mean prequel or am i missing something
i could appreciate that. PS2 ports was what got me so hyped when the vita came out and then left me disappointed

Shillest guys ever

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just lower the encounter rate further, have an item thats block enemy spawing period and fix the sound system and we golden.

The title mostly alludes to what will happen at the end of the second game.

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what's the best and easiest way for someone to play SoA for the first time? Dolphin?

>just lower the encounter rate further, have an item thats block enemy spawing period
There is a mod that does both of these
but of course its also a rebalance mod

yes. There are hd texture pack and widescreen codes

as a flat earther, i find this picture offensive.

>generic ass open plains and desert
>one bigass gas station
>diners
>one decent city
>the hill overlooking a ruined city you never visit
>two ruined cities

not really a good setting

I wish Tri-Ace were still the GOAT

Please tell me you're joking about being a flater. It's impossible to tell on the internet anymore.
Now, if you're female and flat, then that's fine.

is the story pretty good in this game? I really like the character designs.

GC version also gives the player more moonberries from battle, which are needed to learn special attacks. Someone said the DC version barely gives enough for all moves and you can hardly farm them.

you cant convince me we live in a pool of water fuck off! as a matter of fact, space dosent exist and the moon landing was a show! stop being a fucking sheep!

Okay, I guess you can tell. Thanks!

yes

Yeah but it's broken on the most recent version, you'll have to use 5.0

its time too wake up kid! im building an army!

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How is SoA with the missables? Do you need a guide if you want to 100% in one playthrough?

It's not that the game is hard, hell I beat the boss on my first try, it's just that I feel like I'm stuck to relying on a single boring strategy for every boss so far. I tried to mix it up a bit in that boss fight to have Fina use her regen ability and have Aika put the +25% Atk/Def spell on Vyse, but then the boss simply turned Vyse to stone and undid it. So saving up all the SP to cast those spells ended up feeling like a waste. I'm better off saving SP for Vyse to use Cutlass Fury while Aika and Fina just focus on staying alive and generating SP.

Same reason there’s no more OC being produced: the world has gotten smaller.

Keeping in mind this game was originally released in the late 90's, the story is very good. It's not exactly groundbreaking by today's standards, but the characters are all unique and fulfill their roles very well. There's even more attention paid to worldbuilding than in Trails. The protagonist is unironically one of the best in RPG history and canonically ends up in a relationship with both of the female leads

The treasure chests are the only things that are missable, but a lot of endgame content is locked behind finding at least 90% of them. If you're not using a guide you'll miss at least a few of them on your first run, and some of the discoveries (things in the overworld you can find to make money) you won't EVER find without a guide.

yes, you can miss discoveries if you proceed through the main story too fast without exploring

>Skies Of Arcadia

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I though this thread was about world design and setting, not the characters.

All three of those things put me off Fire Emblem.

The story's pretty basic: get the macguffins and fight the bad guys
The world itself is really captivating though
You pretty much need a guide, yeah

You can farm Moonberries in the DC game, but it's a boring pain in the ass. Just fly near Looper Nest, those fuckers drop them every now and then. Just equip Black Map and have access to Rain of Swords (or another hit-all attack until you can get RoS).

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>character
Aika
>ship
Delphinus, specially without that blade they add before Glacia
>town
Nasrad. It's not like we had much to choose anyways...
>soundtrack
Military dungeon theme. I was so glad they mixed it with Vyse's theme in Racing transformed.
Important ship battles and boss themes also get honorary mentions, specially the latter because they change according how you do in the fight
>boss battle
Alfonso :^) Nah, any would work, i like them all
>sky battle
Hydra, easily. Something that can tank moonshot cannons? Finally
>discovery
That satellite above Nasrad. The sky train also counts

>Do you need a guide if you want to 100% in one playthrough?
Yes.

Yeah, I looked it up, which is why I said hardly. It takes a lot longer than in the GC version where you sometimes get them from normal battles during your playthrough.

That was not the image I posted.

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>Monki
UH OH

so are loopers souls of sailors who have died?

Taking into account the looper boss that spawns after Galcian, i'd say yes

>Elcian looper
You tell me

Origins has much better gameplay and localization, and I liked the limited party more, but the atmosphere and pacing are kinda hurt by all the reused areas.
Though it unironically has one of my favorite JRPG battle systems of all time. The hype as fuck announcer just brought it to the next level.

They're great, you should try and get around to them. I played em for the first time earlier this year on my Wii U and they have 10/10 art and music as well as some really cool gameplay and story beats.

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I'm playing the first one and I had to take a break because the card mechanics got old rather quickly. Also the voice acting is absolutely horrendous.

The best part is that Vyse doesn't even comment on it or even think about choosing. The only thing the game does is give Aika a very brief arc where she's worried Vyse might love Fina, but then she realizes she cares enough about Fina as a friend that she's fine with sharing. And that's that.

But is Guillo a boy, or a girl?

Nothing wrong with the ship combat outside of precanned specials cutscenes
Ie grendels stupid rock throw

user, you DID play the game, didn't you?
She's technically both, but I always go with girl in my head. It fits with her squabbles with Milly.

I never beat it, I just remember an earlier scene where another character wonders.

This absolute unit destroyed my team the first time on my first playthrough.

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Creativity back then felt fresh because it was new in games despite often being based upon old folklore.

There are twists some can do such using etymology to get a better understanding of old folklore such as elves being depicted as purified ghosts of dead humans awaiting bloodline reincarnation. Sadly, many developers just want to treat fantasy creatures as different formed humans.

>canonically ends up in a relationship with both of the female leads
seriously?

Like I said, true alphamale through and through

She's one of a line puppets made to kill Malpercio back before humans lived in the sky. Guillo for whatever reason was being controlled by two witches instead of one, hence why her voice is both a male and a female voice overlayed on top of each other.

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Xenoblade, Persona, Nier or Fire Emblem, which all used to be niche, are literally selling millions, yet Sega is too fucking retarded to port Skies of Arcadia and get easy money, fuck them

You see both Aika and Fina crushing on him, happens, then in the ending scenes you have both Aika and Fina more or less hanging off of Vyse's arms.

I'd kill a man just for an HD texture port to a relevant console, I just want to go back.

He didn't earn the title of legend for nothing

It's downplayed but the implications are strong enough that it's not really left ambiguous as to what's happening

casual filter.

No, this is a blue board

SOA needs a retranslation. The translators openly admitted they just chucked the script out and made shit up/censored the fuck out of it and changed everything.

How has SEGA not re-released Skies of Arcadia on modern platforms?

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The translation we got was fine, except for them not knowing that there aren't any a's in "liquor"

Tbh the hardest story bosses are bleglok and the warden/executioner anyway, due to lavk of healing items.
Youre right though, magic is a waste of time and focusing/healing with the girls to let vyse attack is top strats.

It's more that they translated it, threw the original out, then 'spiced up'/rewrote their translation to be sillier.

You should be using attack magic with the girls, you don't need 2 dedicated healers if you know what you're doing.

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When Sempai comes by and says hi

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But magic barely does any more damage than normal attacks, and it takes SP away from Vyse.

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Theyre dedicated focusers with aika dealing heals when needed. I feel letting vyse use his specials every 1/2 turns does more damage than a magic box

After seeing the absolute state of remasters it's a blessing.

Thanks for saving that, i made it!

I just want a Belle Polishing Cannonballs Flash game.

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Post its original first post if you did user.

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>Needing to use special attacks to do damage with Vyse

>Dedicated focusers
>Have less Spirit than Vyse and don't get more than 2 each until the game is already 2/3 of the way over

I just want more 34 of Skies in general

Gilder
Delphinus
Crescent Isle
Silver Shrine
Second fight against Vigoro
Zelos
Black Moonstone

This is ultimately the Best Trio we as a world will ever have in gaming.

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POST MORE AIKA MOTHER FUCKERS!

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there's not a lot

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Design by committee

Theres plenty. You just gotta look./

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No. I would rather have a shenmue 1 and 2 port

...with a magnifying glass?

Damn I loved the recruitment aspect of this game. Does anyone know any other games that let you recruit crew members/background characters like Skies of Arcadia does?
The only other one that comes to mind for me is Infinite Space on the ds. I just finished that one a few weeks ago and that scratched the itch pretty good too.

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Mass Effect.

Not with a magnifying Glass user.

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Suikoden Series, Chrono Cross, Breath of Fire series, Disgaea Series

You asked for it. Dumping my load!

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Daily reminder that Vigoro is voiced by Charles Martinet. The same voice of Mario.

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so is vyse a pretty good MC? I never played this game but I always thought he looked really cool.

>character
Aika best girl
>ship
Delphinus best ship
>town
Sailor's Island always manages to make me happy
>soundtrack
Bombardment 2
>boss
Probably Vigoro in terms of fun, in terms of sheer style though the first optional fight vs Ramirez as the city burns.
>sky battle
Recumen
>discovery
Black Moonstone

Capable, funny, bit of a wisecracker but not overly angsty or emo. He is the epitome of what Video Game Protags can be. Chicks love him

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He's so alpha he even attracts preteen girls and gay midgets

Theres more

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the cat flag was cute but absolutely not a fitting choice for the Delphinus

Would you say its bad enough to the point that Gamecube is the overall better experience even with the worse music

>western
You mean medieval Europe?
Wild arms is based, and shadow hearts 3 was fun too.

Vyse is the most bro tier chad of any protagonist I've ever seen in a game.

Easily a top 5 game MC.

>filename
They did it on purpose right? sticks even uses a boomerang

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FUCK I forgot about the gay guy that is rich!

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They want him so bad that they call the other 2 Grannies

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Not him but the music still sounds beautiful on the GCN version anyway, and there's quite a significant amount of content you're passing up by going for DC.

Needs more Aika

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I never played Skies of Arcadia, but I have it on gamecube since my brother did. All I remember from it is the guy with the eyepatch going HUH! CUTLASS FURY!

The Expressions on Aika's Face wins me over from Fina. She is so expressive in contrast to Fina who just grimaces. Be sad. Smile and a stern face.

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Aika over Fina every day of the week.

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Zemuria is the best setting ever made

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Whoever did this for Archie fucked it up. Its supposed to be Blaze as Aika. Not Blaze as Fina. Fina should be Cream.

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The Gigas over the Weapons of Final Fantasy 7 Anyday of the week.

They cause more destruction and ultimately much more powerful when unleashed.

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GRENDEL PUNCH

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Aika would be top tier if she kept her hair down.

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>Sonic shipped with Cream
user no

Doesn't this game predate Cream?

But then she wouldn't be an obvious Laputa reference.

That art is from 2013, much later then both Skies and Cream

Nice to see my webm still being posted years later.

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This is why western developers will never do it for me. They always have to make their characters edgy or political.

Vanilla?
The game is before Sonic Advance 2 by about a few years but the art was done in 2013.

If anyone was streaming Skies of Arcadia. I would watch them. Hell I would probably stream it myself.

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>Game written by a woman
>Protagonist gets a mini-harem

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Suikoden is your new girlfriend.

Its not a mini-Harem anymore if he has a Ship full of them user. Its a Chad's Dream to order a bunch of babes to attack their enemies in times of Need.

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I think you need educating on tomboys.

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Out of the three male support characters who do you like the most?
Seafaring Drachma with his Little Jack
Justice seeking fair son of a Corrupt Queen of Valua Enrique which takes away your Delphinus in the end despite all the investments you put into it!
Or the Free spirited Gunslinger that pilots the Claudia?

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The Aika cutscenes when she talks about rumors are hilarious.

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After the red Gigas battle

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>used to do this invisionfree message board based text 'RPG' based in the Skies of Arcadia world where we each had our own characters and would write essay-length posts describing what our characters were doing and how they were interacting
>no real rules besides chill out and have a good time, don't be an asshole; I didn't even know about D&D or anything like that I was 12
It was autistic as fuck but the small community was based enough to make it one of my most pleasant childhood memories, even though I played an absolutely retarded schizophrenic assassin from Valua. Everything was just innocent storytelling as well; despite the fact that there were adults involved there was no political shitflinging, tranny escapsim, or really anything sexual.

Now I just shitpost. If only I was never led to Yea Forums via YTMND.

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Gilder has his priorities on straight.

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wrpg settings have always been boring. jrpg settings never stopped being kino.

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Woah... who knew that existed. I remember seeing something similar in Pokémon fan communities back when Yahoo Groups were a thing. I can't say I ever got involved, but watching people roleplay as Pokémon trainers - or worse - Pokémon, was um, fun.

Radiata Stories

another thing I would like a mod for desu
i mean im retarded maybe but shouldnt this just be a easy model swap?

Best way to emulate this game? I always wanted to play it on a console but gave up

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Yeah, there were extremely large and cancerous 'RPG' boards with huge communities run by banhappy janny cliques, but there were also very small ones with 10-15 members like the one I mentioned. It really feels like it was a different era, something like that wouldn't be possible these days.

Sticks is directly based on Aika, yes

Dolphin is the way to go. Skies works almost flawlessly except for the subpar music audio.If you want better Music. Go for the Dreamcast version. Check /vr/ for a Introduction and where to find such roms. Nintendo have been cracking down on them

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By the way, here's a typically forgotten theme from the soundtrack that's actually really good:
youtube.com/watch?v=UbaV-JZNBms

As shitty as it sounds I wouldn’t want a more accurate script.

Ahhh Loopers. The Metal Slime of the SoA game.

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Cockameme excuse as to why Vyse got the scar from the Piastol is beyond me.

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Who is the absolute unit of a soul that becomes a giant one?

She quite clearly was shoe-horned in for the Gamecube release

Wait until some autist decides to use it as OP threads material for those shitty japanese '''''humor'''''' threads

>character
Vyse
>ship
Little Jack
>town
Sailor's Island and Esperanza
>soundtrack
Very hard to pick, but the Little Jack overworld theme is the most iconic imo.
>boss battle
Also difficult to pick, but probably the first iteration of Ramirez in the 'final fight' for being actually difficult to my middle school self, or Vigoro
>sky battle
Versus Auriga outside of Esperanza, not sure why I remember that the most but hey.
>discovery
Forget most of these to be honest.

No game will ever match SoA for me, it was really the most magical thing I experienced in a difficult time in life. Actually inspired my interests in sailing and the ocean and I'm an oceanographer now.

When I have enough money and a stable yard to work with, I'm going to build a real, seaworthy replica of the Little Jack, I've been planning it for over a decade now.

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clips.twitch.tv/BitterIcyChowderRuleFive

When you forgot to use Omega Shield before her kill everything move.

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Based. God, take me back.

That backstory was about Ramirez, Piastol herself was completely incidental

If his backup guys increm him and he decides to abuse his tackle attack, and you then get unlucky with your character positioning, he can be a complete shithead. The inability to manually position your characters actually is something that annoys me, knowing what kind of attacks your enemies do and being able to position your guys to avoid line-effect attacks and such would be nice.

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Based oceanographer user. Hope you succeed in your endeavours.

If this was written by a female then hot damn I would wish others would follow suit.

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Never played the game. Should I emulate the Dreamcast or the Gamecube version? I hear the DC one had a bugged encounter rate and was overall more combat heavy.

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whoa

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Absolutely based post, user.

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Daccat

Gamecube overall is the better game
More content, more side-quests
less encounters but more exp/gold in exchange, making for a less tedious game

The one area the dreamcast beats it in is higher quality music.
Only play the DC version if you're an audiophile and low quality midi makes your ears bleed.

Also forgot, the Dreamcast also has the VMU game.

If you don't mind the Battles go for Dreamcast. You will level much faster if you don't run away. A true Swashbuckling Air Pirate always stands and fight mostly. (Except for times when its inevitable.

Drachma is OP. Give him all your Moon Berries. clips.twitch.tv/MiniatureObedientSpindleDerp

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Based Gilder dishing out redpills.

>look at modern RPGs
>soulless shit
>"it's your nostalgia!"
>find an old RPG I never played before
>it's great
Fuck off to everyone saying it's nostalgia goggles or some shit, RPGs are fucking awful now compared to the 90s and early 00s.

Clara keeps him in line at the end though. Apparently her fangirlism/knowledge of being a local and like Vyse and Aika they were both Island mates.

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>Drachma is OP. Give him all your Moon Berries.
t. Ondore

>if you beat Galcian on the first attempt the game jams you into the ground with a untranslated message
youtu.be/xh9wqHpZHao
Apparently says "It will not be game over this time"

youtu.be/x0ECgivnB4Q

>listening to dumb zoomers with no context on video games before the PS2
You're own fault, old vidya I haven't played yet is the only thing keeping the hobby alive for me

Quickly, before the thread dies:

1) Year of birth
2) Favourite console

>1986
>Dreamcast

I always felt it was a waste that you sink the silver continent again at the end. The silver lands are just so sparse and poorly populated that it feels such a shame to lose land.

1990
Sega Genesis

MOONSTONE CANNON, FIRE!

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The Arseille from Trails in The Sky also has a moonstone (orbal) cannon.

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Not even. That thing was just a normal fixed cannon that fired single shots, all you have to do to avoid it is fly to the side.

Anyone else ever notice that they don't have a North America analog?
>Ixa'taka is South America
>Valua is Europe
>Nasr is the Middle East and North Africa
>Yafutoma is Asia (mostly Japan)
>Lands of Ice is Antarctica
>If Mid Ocean is anything it's the Caribbean since its pirate land, with the Silver Continent being Atlantis
The best places to stick another land would be the North Ocean or Looper Land since both are desolate as fuck, which I always thought was odd. They're so empty.

>character
Vyse. But the real charm of the game is all the characters interacting with one another. I especially like Aika and Vyse's interactions

>ship
Little Jack

>town
Probably Esperanza. It had some interesting backstory compared to most other towns. I really enjoyed the Nasrad segment when Vyse got split up from Aika + Fina though.

>soundtrack
The opening theme

>boss battle
I thought Tortigar had really cool design. But Galcian was a pretty memorable boss fight.

>sky battle
Recumen and then into fighting the Lynx. On my first playthough I actually got softlocked here and I think it's one of the only places in the game where this is possible. It's impossible to leave the dungeon without initiating the fight, and there's no place to heal inside. My Fina was underleveled and I used up all my MP in the boss fight and all 3 characters were 1 hit from dying, so I couldn't even go back into the dungeon to level off of random encounters.

>discovery
Black Moonstones. The Dark Rift was always piqued my interest and I found the idea that another moon existed once really interesting.

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Hmm if only there like an extra color not represented by a current land or something

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Realizing that one of my favourite characters from one of my favourite games is also a reference to one of the best characters in my favourite movie was a serious mindfuck. But honestly in many ways Skies feels more like old school Miyazaki films like Naussica and Castle in the Sky than Ni No Kuni does.

Threadly reminder that Vigoro wore a chastity belt + codpiece with a lock on it and wore the key to said lock around his neck

He had to contain the beast

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I always wanted to know what was up with the Black Moonstones, like if the Black Moon existed what happened to it, if there had been a corresponding continent like every other moon had, and if it had been destroyed by the Dark Rift (which is supported by all the land you find inside it.) It would've been perfect sequel bait too, even if they did go to space (or travel back in time, I bet there were a ton of smaller islands that got fucked by the moonstons) to keep the exploration theme going.

Isn't Vigoro more or less the top admiral of Valua now that most of his coworkers are dead?

I think the implication is that the black moonstone is what made sky continents a thing to begin with.

It's not boring for one

He became a pirate.

Yet they're only found in the vicinity of the Dark Rift and not elsewhere. If all the islands had some relation to Black Moonstones, then someone digging up some tiny island would've found a couple by now.

I’ve honestly never played them. The look feels off to me and the animation looks too much like ponyo.

98
Also Dreamcast
I'm the user you replied to btw.

>1996
>Gamecube
youtube.com/watch?v=pq_nXXuZTtA

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sticks is literally aika though

It's embarrassing how low quality modern JRPGs are compared to Skies. Not even just in regards to the original world setting, the sheer passion for detail and sense of adventure, exploration and wonder are simply not present today. The likable characters who aren't obnoxious or annoying or tryhard edgy faggots. What a fucking joke of a genre JRPGs turned out to be.

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I bet Valua is gonna colonize the shit out of the North Sea and Lands of Ice now that things are peaceful as an alternative to invading Nasur and bullying Ixa'taka. Not like anyone lives there to complain.

It's not like other genres are any better.

Gilder
Little Jack
Sailor's town
youtube.com/watch?v=VuVpAsrzHe4
Dont know. Maybe the first Gigas battle, or that turtle boss or that old man Armada
Discovery, I dont remember which, but there was one telling stuff about space which indicated more future plot

It'll probably be mostly poor people setting up these colonies as well

>86, DC
Same here.

Now that I think about it, tie between Little Jack and Claudia

Yes but Blaze has the fire attribute in her moves down pat. I would rather have Blaze Aika thinking of those Rumors instead of Sticks. Because it will be different from character of the base Blaze the Cat norm where she is prim and proper.
Cats love Shiny Gold and Blaze is a cat.

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youtube.com/watch?v=MOkS1j6Lmq4
This fucking track. This is adventure

There's that RPG series that's set in Anime WWII that's really popular.
...and isn't that also by sega? I wonder if any of the devs for that worked under Rieko?

The most dangerous airship in Trails is the one that has this motherfucker on board.
Pretty sure his power output will beat the moonstone cannon.

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Each attempt Obsidian makes to create their own universe rather than simply deconstruct a setting made by others, has been more disastrous than the last. Aside from the outdated gameplay and lifeless cities, Pillars of Eternity's only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of combat mechanics, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Sawyer vetoed the idea of making anything at all innovative or original; he made sure the game would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously profitable nostalgia pandering to ageing Baldur's Gate fans. Pillars of Eternity might be anti-casual(or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Divinity series in its refusal of spontaneity, fun and excitement.

>a-at least the writing was good though

"No!"

The writing is dreadful; the narrative was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time I engaged in dialogue with an NPC the game presented me with a Wiki-page style infodump instead of anything resembling actual human conversation.

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time this was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Sawyer's mind is so governed by obsession with pointless minutiae of the lore that he has no other style of writing.

Later I read a lavish, loving review of Pillars of Eternity by the same David Gaider. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kiddies are playing Obsidian games at 17 or 18, then when they get older they will go on to enjoy Dragon Age II." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Pillars of Eternity" you are, in fact, trained to shill for Bioware.

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"Take your Shirt off"

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ALL Sega has to do is remake the game with the Valkyria Chronicles game engine!!!!!!

POST YOUR FAVORITE MOON (EXCEPT FOR THE BLACK MOON THAT CAN FUCK OFF)

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>lurking at that hole in Aika's house

I'd rather have it like Arc the Lad, action combat is only good if done by a company that actually makes them. Sega doesn't know shit about that.

I don't get why the gameplay is a sacred cow to the other replies, though. It's pretty bog standard outside of the spirit system which ends up not meaning much.

Me like Aika.
Aika hols the red.
Me love Red.

The fact that these three have a cameo is the only reason I want to play this game.

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You just know that Aika is literally a Glory Hole Slut that earns gold by doing blows for the Local Male Pirates on Pirate Island. Vyse doesn't know that his dad often pays Aika a visit with his dick.

Is Vyse a Cuck before he ever goes on the pilgrimage for the Moonstones?

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Just avoid the anime.

valua theme was so good

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It's non canon anyway as far as I'm aware

I recall Yellow magic being fairly strong against Green creatures, actually.

>Character: Vyse
>Ship: Delphinus
>Town: Yafutoma
>Soundtrack: Final Battle theme
>Boss battle: Rokwyrm
>Sky Battle: Blue gigas
>Discovery: Spice island

music
gaming used to be so fucking good

I always liked how when you use the boxes of the medium strength ice spell, the tip of the ice model impales his head.

Aika
Little Jack
Crescent Island
Military Facility Dungeon or Battle 2
Dunno bosses all seem kinda pathetic desu
FIST OF GRENDEL
Giant Squid's nest

That's the fucking Wild Arms 5 artist right? what the fuck.

>1992
>Saturn

That's true of most colonization efforts desu. I bet a ton of people would just want some motherfucking sunlight though.

This is one the most cute looking interfaces ever created

God, PSO was peak SEGA. I know the soul-soulless meme is stupid but PSO is just bursting with flavour and passion. There's not a time when I would look at a piece of PSO artwork or listen to its music and not go "Good God PSO is peak vidya". And the character design for every class+race combination in that game is pure ludo-kino. Even that dumbass FOnewn jester-lookalike is stilll hella cool.

PSO is beautiful in so many ways.

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>mfw I see Vyse dead in the VC anime
That shit was horrifying but also hilarious.

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Purple. After ocean stuff this game really could've used a giant inland sea somewhere, sky islands with sky oceans are my jam ice stuff is my favorite. I also get a special, melancholy feeling in these desolated and depopulated landscapes. It's also the most mysterious part of the world outside of the Dark Rift, since we have no idea what happened to the people there.

And nah Yafutoma doesn't count, the little lakes are so small. That huge empty area between the great wall should've had an ocean or something desu. Wouldn't hurt the Japan theme any that's for sure.

Vyse
Auriga
Valua
Battle 1
Piastol
Recumen
The Ghost Ship

Last time I tired to play my memory card crapped out when I hit Yafutoma still mad about that

This has been a great thread. Thanks guys

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This is a little late but I wanted to let you know that the boss of the Nasr temple is in fact a little hard compared to the rest of the game

He may look like a dumbass jester, but he was broken as fuck

Impossible to have a bad skies thread.

This game was generic and boring even back when it came out. Grandia 2, Sukioden 2 and Xenogears all blew it out of the sky and they came out at the same time or prior to. Get fucked you stupid faggot

>I'd kill a man just for an HD texture port to a relevant console
Just use a gaming PC to run the gamecube port in ultra HD. You have a gaming PC right user? You'll probably need at least a 1080 TI

no u

Based thread

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>sky

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Women who aren't hung up on identity politics are pretty creative and fun. As far as jap stuff is concerned, a woman on the team isn't a red flag.

Galcian did nothing wrong

>imagine this is what they ended up going with for vyse

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I always figured the Dark Rift was suggestive of another buried continent like Soltis. Soltis's burial was apparently responsible for creating all the other rifts in the game. Would seem logical something similar is creating the Dark Rift.

I mean, the sleeves actually being physically ripped is at least a little less pants on head retarded than the weird shoulder windows they ultimately went with

True but that appearance he has there screams his personality would of been different

>Too bad about the plot and the 'protagonist.'

Project Noah...take 4. "No guys...I REALLY got it right this time" Takahashi.

Your face when Piastol took Proto Vyse's look and Vyse now has dual Cutlasses because of it.

I just want Vyse with a Scythe more then ever bros.

what happens if you beat this guy?

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So whats the best way to play this? Dreamcast or gamecube emulator?

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>come in expecting a JRPG thread
>big Skies of Arcadia thread and I missed alot of it
HD remake when

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When SEGA is not retarded.

When fans have a major outcry and stream it on Skies of Arcadia Day Which is Octorber 5th back in 2000.

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This game is pure comfy. With a good combat system it could have been the fourth best JRPG of the sixth generation, behind SMT3, BOF5 and Mother 3.

Pso2 is shit tho :/
But i get what you are talking about. Im still playing on Ephinea

Well that's going to be a long while
I'm still butthurt over how Valkyria Chronicles 4 flopped, I enjoyed that alot despite it not changing formula much from VC1

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She's wearing leather hotpants not spats you stupid fucktard

>no one's said Galcian for their favorite character
So just me then? Fucker was cool as hell.

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>I always had a sweet spot for Fina-like characters
Bland, submissive, and demure? Way to have awful generic garbage taste in women.

>Valkyria Chronicles 4 flopped
Sales-wise, right? I think it did alright with the reviews/critical reception/user reviews.

Post the one where Drachma hits Vyse upside the head when they do this.

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This is why I love Xenoblade. I hope Monolith's next project doesn't go for the generic western medieval fantasy look like that one recruitment art suggested

>I want to see some other assholes interpretation of this game.

Why are "fans" like this?

At least try with the Valkyria Chronicles engine if you're going to be that purist
Or lower the enemy encounter rate a tad bit

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SEGA's got a decent linee of 3D games waiting to be ported to modern systems.
>Skies of Arcadia
>Shining Force 3
>Burning Rangers
>Shining the Holy Ark
>Panzer Dragoon Saga
What else?

When I was younger I kept a save where I would fight and purposely lose to them.
Ah hormones, goood times.

Aika
Delphinus
Yafutoma
Sky battle theme
The impostors
Paper plane is funny and cute

youtu.be/yoYtOBC4TRM

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Definitely a possibility, but the Dark Rift is larger and much worse. If anything buried is causing it, then it must be quite a lot bigger than Soltis. At least something like Valua sized.

2 and 3 probably killed it.

How many of them are Sega, though?

3 seemed to be decently popular with japan, and still has somewhat active and vocal community here in the west. I know for a fact that money-wise VC devs liked pandering to fans of 3 with stuff like their mobile games and such.
That aside, 1 was more popular in US than in JP wasn't it?

Game can sell well and be popular while still flopping, like for example with Dead Space, if the cost of placing the game out there is more than what you get back in returns. That said no clue how well VC4 did, but I only seen positive comments on it and alot of youtube attention.

Nice
I still have a save set for the part where you get to play as Aika in Nasrad myself

I used to keep that exact same file myself, made me sad that Skies of Arcadia did not let you switch leader character for overworld despite so many jRPGs having same option.

This.

I also hate how in JRPGs, despite the setting, still has trendy shit, like meido cafes and french cuisine.

That'd be really cool, but I'm fine with just being gigachad Vyse. Plus that moment where you're like "oh shit I get to be Aika now" wouldn't be as special if that option was available.
Something to consider for a remaster I suppose.

The shit that pisses me off the most is hot spring baths. Oh my god, you goddamned Jap writers can't have a setting without an onsen, can you? Doesn't matter if it's fantasy or sci-fi, modern or medieval, they always gotta have a bloody hot springs scene. It's probably an even worse trope than beach episodes in anime. I've gone from being neutrak with onsen to absolutely hating them thanks to the over-saturation.

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>When you see the epilogue and read Drachma dies shortly after the game ends.

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Which is hilarious because most of the time they don't fit with the setting and only makes sense because the game was made by Japanese.

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He lived a fullfilling life for a sailor at least before he passed on.

>wrpg settings have always been boring. jrpg settings never stopped being kino.

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I too enjoy picking cherries. Favorite fruit.

>I too enjoy picking cherries. Favorite fruit.
Cherrypicking of what? That list includes some of the most critically acclaimed and beloved jrpgs ever made suxh as Chrono Trigger, Xenogears, Skies of Arcadia, etc.

Freedom Force is a beloved wrpg?

I wish that game had been better. So much promise, but ultimately shallow.

>you have an airship from the start of the game
>game literally takes place in the sky (i.e. you should be able to fly anywhere)
>it's still linear as fuck and completely on rails because the fucking sky is somehow shaped like a corridor

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>Freedom Force is a beloved wrpg?

>Freedom Force
>jrpg
What are you even saying here?

Your criteria for the right is 'beloved jrpgs' so shouldn't the left all fit that standard?

>linear, focused game bad
>aimless, open world game good

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>Your criteria for the right is 'beloved jrpgs' so shouldn't the left all fit that standard?
Well, Freedom Force has a 4.4. out of 5 on GOG, so apparently it is beloved?

>jiggle physics
This game was truly ahead of its time. Sequel when

If you're going to make the game with the premise that you're a fucking sky pirate with an airship from the start of the game. then you better damn well allow to explore the player freely. Otherwise, what is the point of making a game with that premise?

It really speaks to the biggest problems I have with jrpgs. Almost every jrpg uses the same rigid structure, and they seem utterly incapable of deviating from that (besides a few exceptions like Dark Souls).

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Both extremes suck. Right now I'm playing DQVIII, which does a great job of giving you open space to run about in if you like, but no choice paralysis.

Why would a sky pirate be able to fly around any hazard any more than a real pirate could sail through a hurricane?

>Why would a sky pirate be able to fly around any hazard any more than a real pirate could sail through a hurricane?

>it's okay that the game came up with a bullshit obstacle that somehow makes fucking AIR impassable to justify its corridor design
Why are you being such a pathetic apologist?

The hazards are nonsense anyway. This isn't the sea. There's no reason you simply can't fly around them.

You do realize that a hurricane is scary not just because of the waves, but because of the wind too? The air isn't 'emptiness' user.
>There's no reason you simply can't fly around them
But the game gives you a reason for every single obstacle?
>You can't pass reefs because the rocks will tear your hull apart (just like a real reef)
>You can't pass rifts because they're windstorms and you'll just get thrown around (like a storm)
>You can't sail over it because the your engine can't handle the thin air (true to real life flight)
>You can't sail under it because the air pressure is too high and would crush you (true to real life submarines)
>The Dark Rift is a permanent hurricane, you need to do something legendary and special to sail through that
What about any of that is silly? Do you think there shouldn't be anything but perfectly calm, free, open sky? In this sky islands setting? Entirely unlike the ocean or any landscape?

You realize your ship gets upgraded several times throughout the game to let you explore more freely and easily, right?
It's not like discovery hunting's that fun anyways. It's more of a chore really.

>It's not like discovery hunting's that fun anyways. It's more of a chore really.
Disagree. Discoveries are one of my favorite aspects of the game.

Then just wait til you get the Delphinus? What's the problem?

>You realize your ship gets upgraded several times throughout the game to let you explore more freely and easily, right?
Yes, and? That's how EVERY jrpg handles exploration, with the game only opening up after specific story beats.

Again, why even bother making a sky pirate jrpg if it plays out like any bogstandard jrpg.

Defining FFXII, Radiant Historia, and Mana Khemia as 'science fantasy' is stretching the definition so gaping wide you can see straight from its asshole to the sky. It's not exactly hard to find JRPGs with most of those settings, you realize? I think the only things that might be hard are pure post-apoc (though Japan loves mixing it with everything else, see Nier Automata) and superheroes, which is a fucking given because superheroes are a pure American cultural thing.

I'm not the shitposting frogfag, user. I just disagreed with that part of your post. Hell, I don't think he's even played the game, he's using such vague platitudes to describe it.

>What about any of that is silly?
So those reefs and rifts exist in the entire world? Why can't you simply fly a few kilometers above, below or above around them?

And you have yet to address the question. Then what is the point of giving you an airship from the start of the game if it doesn't make any difference and travel is still completely on rails?

You really are a cum-guzzling faggot who will slurp up any excuse from the devlopers cock', aren't you? Do you have no capacity for basic thought? Again, the developers CHOSE to make a game with the premise that you can fly from the start of the game. Nobody forced them to. So if they're going to thn come up with all sorts of contrived obstacles to railroad the player, thus defeating the whole point of giving you an airship, then that's completely idiotic because they're contradicting their own premise.

I really don't see the problem. Sounds like you just don't like jrpgs.

>Defining FFXII, Radiant Historia, and Mana Khemia as 'science fantasy' is stretching the definition so gaping wide you can see straight from its asshole to the sky.
So what else would you call those settings?. Those games all mix futuristic technology with magic, which is the very definition of science fantasy. FF12 for example literally hax X-Wings.

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>Why can't you simply fly a few kilometers above, below or above around them?
>>You can't sail over it because the your engine can't handle the thin air (true to real life flight)
>>You can't sail under it because the air pressure is too high and would crush you (true to real life submarines)
Why don't you just jump over the mountains, user? Why do you walk through the mountain pass?
>What's the point of an airship
What's the point of a boat if it can't sail through hurricanes? What's the point of your feet if they can't jump over mountains? Why isn't the world on permanent tcl mode? Your shitposting focuses entirely on this premise that the sky, this fantasy land sky, should work entirely unlike any landscape or seascape in real life OR in any videogame out there. Most 'open world' games get around it by either setting the entire game on a flat topography (unrealistic) or by letting you hump your way up cliffs which is utterly ridiculous in its own way (Bethesda.)

Obligatory SoA reply for whenever these threads come up

Fuck other games for being incapable of capturing the spirit and freedom of being a pirate. Sea of Thieves was such a wasted concept and who knows if anyone will invest into that genre in the future. Triple A games feel very safe by design, especially in western games, so I wonder if we'll ever get to see a fully realized game where you can sail around and discover cool shit. Wind Waker is a great game in it's own right but I want a god damned customizable ship with an optional crew I find by sailing around a terrifying and beautiful ocean

It's such an unrealistic scale and design but it's fun to dream

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A magical airship is all it takes to become science fantasy? Then why aren't Arcanum and Planescape classified as science fantasy in your book? Both of those settings feature airships. Hell, the fucking start of Arcanum is you surviving an airship crash. You picked so poorly. FFXII is one of the least technological final fantasies since 5, you so obviously didn't play it.
>So what would you call those settings
FFXII would be 'high fantasy' by your definition, Mana Khemia probably would too (since all the magic and 'technology' in the setting is fueled by alchemy) and Radiant Historia would be steampunk as all the technology in the game is steam-driven (and magic existing by your criteria, does not disqualify it, because magic also exists in Arcanum.)

Phantom Hourglass had customization on your ship but no crew, and an emptier ocean than Wind Waker. All the pieces are out there, but unassembled.

>What's the point of a boat if it can't sail through hurricanes? What's the point of your feet if they can't jump over mountains?
What do you mean, what is the point? You do realize open-world RPGs exist, right, and they give you access to the game world from the start of the game, with no artificial roadblocks?

Heck, even a game like Morrowind has more freeform flying than Skies of Arcadia.

What are you even arguing against here? Skies of Arcadia should be completely on rails...because, why exactly? Again, games exist where you sail a boat ot fly some airborne vehicle. They can havee hazards, yes, but they also allow for ways around them.

>Why isn't the world on permanent tcl mode?
You can't possibly be this retarded, can you? You're using the realism argument for a game about continents and islands magically floating in the sky?

You can't have your imaginary good game. But you can have this shitty game with the basic premise!

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>You do realize open-world RPGs exist
Hello, didn't read my whole post. Go back and try your bait again.

>Fuck other games for being incapable of capturing the spirit and freedom of being a pirate. Sea of Thieves was such a wasted concept and who knows if anyone will invest into that genre in the future. Triple A games feel very safe by design, especially in western games, so I wonder if we'll ever get to see a fully realized game where you can sail around and discover cool shit. Wind Waker is a great game in it's own right but I want a god damned customizable ship with an optional crew I find by sailing around a terrifying and beautiful ocean
>It's such an unrealistic scale and design but it's fun to dream
You're criticizing other games for failing to live up to Skies of Arcadia's 'exploration', despite SoA being completely on rails and having about as much organic exploration as a Call of Duty campaign?

What manner of mongoloid are you?

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I think you've got this one down user, but the jpg upthread is still valid in so far as there are way more proper sci-fi and real world settings in WRPG land.

Not really, because now you're completely trying to change the argument. Nobody was ever trying to argue about quantity here, that random post above evoked a quality argument, which is why you posted that picture at.

She's still there

>A magical airship is all it takes to become science fantasy? Then why aren't Arcanum and Planescape classified as science fantasy in your book? Both of those settings feature airships. Hell, the fucking start of Arcanum is you surviving an airship crash. You picked so poorly.
Now you're just being dishonest. You don't survive an airship crash in Arcanum, you survive a zeppeling crash, which is entirely in line with steampunk teechnology. Look at that FF12 airship. That's something that could have come straight from Star Wars. It's not remotely the same thing.

>Radiant Historia would be steampunk
Nope. Because of shit like this:

>Thaumatech is the name of the technology used to manipulate Mana, and allows humans to gain the power to perform otherwise impossible things. While it is similar to the power of Flux, it was thought as a more mechanical system, which means even people with no special knowledge or power can use it. In addition to weapons such as Thaumachines and Gauntlets, Thaumatech for civilian uses such as lifts and air conditioning has also been developed

Try to read that with a straight face and make sense of it. Not only is the level of technology far beyond steampunk leevels (air conditioning? seriously). It's literally saying 'there is magic, but you don't have to be skilled in magic to use it, so anyone can enjoy its benefits'. Its literally the most laziest kind of world building to handhave having to explain modern technological conveniences like lifts and air conditioning. That's the problem with this kind of science fantasy setting. It's just a poorly thought out mash up between magic and futuristic tech.

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>Hello, didn't read my whole post. Go back and try your bait again.
Explain to me how Skies of Arcadia would be ruined if you could actually fly through the sky instead of it just being a linear corridor?

>You survive a zeppeling (sic) crash
The word 'airship' is an actual word with a real life definition. It absolutely applies to zeppelins, user.
>Look at that FF12 airship.
Visuals are all that matters here?
>That's something that could have come straight from Star Wars
Star Wars ships run on technological mumbo jump. FF12 airships run on crystal magic. Not a single slice of science is evoked in regards to them.
>Nope because of this
>Read that with a straight face
Now your criteria for discounting something is based on how seriously you, personally can take it? How is that even an argument and not simply an autistic screech?

>A magical airship is all it takes to become science fantasy?

>Airship designed and built by YPA, a shipwright's guild of Archades. Officially named the YPA-GB47 Test Combat Fighter, production was halted after the completion of a single test model due to dissatisfaction on the part of the Imperial customer with the costly dual-movable-wing design. Scheduled for scrapping, Balthier liberated the ship at the last moment. Balthier has since modified the Strahl to his tastes with a new engine and numerous other augmentations, making it a very different ship from the one envisaged by its YPA inventors.

>totally magical!

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>I'll ignore your other example and then post this text that doesn't even mention whether the airship is technological or magical

Jeez user, why would I explain anything to you when you keep ignoring my examples and arguments to restate your complaint (which was addressed with those same posts you refuse to answer)? It's pretty clear you don't want a discussion. At this point, what you are doing is obviously just coming in here, seeing that people like a thing, and starting a shitstorm based on limited knowledge and hearsay for no reason other than the fact that it upsets you to see people talking about a game you don't like. I'd advise anyone with sense to just ignore your bait from now on rather than feeding you.

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I think SoA's strengths lie in it's ideas and sincerity but you are right with the rails. All the gated parts require incremental story progression to access can be a real pain for the eager, especially coupled with the encounter rate makes even moving around the open air feel restricting. Despite this there were a lot of great ideas that have potential with modern game resources. Finding discoveries, collecting crew members, growing your island base, and seeing boss monsters are just some of the features the game uses as incentive to look around for things outside of the main story.

I think of Sea of Thieves as the antithesis of SoA given that it gives you so much more freedom with practically nothing to do. Comparing the two feels crass since Sea of Thieves has an entirely different goal as a game but it does serve as a benchmark for how sea exploration works right now.

>Now your criteria for discounting something is based on how seriously you, personally can take it? How is that even an argument and not simply an autistic screech?
Do you have that much trouble reading basic English? You said Radiant Historia was steampunk. What exactly is steampunkish about 'technology' whose sole purpose is to let you use magic without having to learn how to use magic? And said 'magic' conveniently translates to modern technological marvels such as air conditioning, which is far beyond the level of Steampunk technology.

This isnt'steampunk, it's just another science fantasy setting.

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Stop arguing with WRPG-kun already, it'll lead to nothing anyway.

I'd say the biggest issue with jrpg settings is too often, they are just Tolkien-like worlds dressed up in superficially different skins.

A good way to demonstrate what I mean is to look at how jrpgs utilize their settings. For instance, if you look at wrpgs that aren't high fantasy, like say Fallout, Deus Ex, Jagged Alliance, Vampire The Masquerade, etc. they tend to incorporate aspects of their setting in their gameplay. And I don't mean things like characters using guns. I mean stuff like Fallout having a barter economy, which is logical in a post-apocalyptic society where monetization has broken down. Or how cybernetic augmentations in Deus Ex take the place of a more traditional RPG system. Or the whole mercenary company aspect of Jagged Alliance.

It's obvious that a game's setting should inform its gameplay. But jrpgs really don't do this. Even jrpgs that take place in modern or futuristic settings, such as Persona or Xenoblade, still revolve around typical high fantasy cliches like dungeon crawling and god-killing shenanigans. The characters even still use medieval weaponry. Heck, Symphony of the Night is a Japanese RPG where you play as a vampire, yet you can't even bite anyone to drink blood, meaning you can't even fulfil the basic function of a vampire. How lame is that? Or take Lost Odyssey, a game where you play as immortals, yet you can somehow still die from combat.

Another baffling trope is when jrpgs take place in a world such as various Final Fantasy games, where the technology and level of civilization is far more advanced than our own, yet the world still functions like a pre-industrial society, with small settlements separated by vast, uncharted expanses of wilderness filled with wild beasts and roving bandits, and characters still using medieval weaponry. What is the point of going with a futuristic setting if it's functionally and thematically identical to a medieval fantasy world?

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I think it's funny that if not stimulated he spins into off-topic fanboying.

This thread still on? Glad to hear. Fly on fellow pirates

>>I'll ignore your other example and then post this text that doesn't even mention whether the airship is technological or magical

>YPA-GB4
>dual-movable-wing design
>new engine
>augmentations
>YPA inventors

>not technological at all, nuh-uh!

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I wonder if Enrique realizes that him bleaching Moegi is just going to lead to his hapa offspring (or theirs) with a chip on their shoulder and way less morals than him using that descent to justify an invasion of Yafutoma. There's no way Valua's going to completely shake off all corruption and warmongering forever just because of one good king, not even with all the Lands of Ice to direct their expansionist tendencies towards (mostly because it's a frozen shithole.)

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tl;dr
Why do people come into threads about things they don't like just to announce that they don't like thing?

That or an allied Valua and Yafutoma will scheme an invasion of politically isolated Nasr at some point.

>Why do people come into threads to reply to post that they don't like just to announce that they don't like that post?

Um, I just want to say that I enjoyed Skies of Arcadia, still do in fact. I also really liked this game. it reminded me of Skies of Arcadia a lot. Like, holy shit, was it pretty much a carbon copy of the setting and plot. It even had Discoveries, but it was set in the real world!
Am I the only one who's played this?
Also, I wonder if the author of One Piece played Skies of Arcadia. Some people claim there's some parallels

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You didn't answer my question tho

I played this game and had fun, but in the end it feels very much like it can't live up to Skies. The characters, world, and sense of adventure just don't reach the same level.

I'm so dissapointed with this shit, fuck...