So I've been playing this since last night and I'm enjoying it a lot. I've been trying to pinpoint exactly why I find this game so engaging but I got bored of PoE 2 so quickly, and I think it's because this game gives you the option to talk to people, ask about lore, and dive deep into dialogue options, but it doesn't force you to listen to lines and lines and lines of dialogue. Part of why I lost interest in PoE 2 was because I felt like I was spending an hour every session in dialogue then like fourty minutes in the actual gameplay. Does anyone else feel this way? Or does PoE 2 maybe do less of this after the first ten hours or something?
Pathfinder Kingmaker IS better THAN Deadfire BECAUSE Pathfinder Kingmaker DOES have GOOD wifes user AND Deadfire does NOT have GOOD wifes user BUT Pathfinder Kingmaker DOES have GOOD wifes user AND Valerie IS the BEST wife IN my collection user! (She is! She is!)
The lore and story are better, the gameplay is more satisfying. But you will eventually get burned out because of the kingdom management. It's nice at the beginning but it feels like work after 40 hours if playthrough. It is a hindrance to the actual fun derived from adventuring. it also serves little to no purpose except make you worry about kingdom failure.
Tyler Rodriguez
i think i have that set to auto specifically because i didn't wanna deal with it.
Nathan White
What are you talking about? Kingdom management is fine, it's great way to blow all your extra money and time between story episodes.
Julian Murphy
What is tiresome exactly about kingdom management?
Jace Gomez
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Nathaniel Morris
What!
Dylan Adams
>INT 9 (-1) huh
Gabriel Jenkins
IMOEN SEX INCEST BHAALSPAWN BABIES
Luke Bell
That IS smarter THAN a dolphin user BECAUSE dolphins DO have 2 intelligence AND dolphins ARE smart SO Valerie IS smarter THAN 4 dolphins she IS measured AT 4.5 dolphins SO Valerie IS smart user! (She is! She is!)
its more engaging than POE because the story is about a fairly easy to understand political disagreement and also about an issue with a dryad character that is invented for the purposes of this game.
POE, despite being an entirely new IP and campaign setting, does nothing to make you feel like you "got in on the ground floor" so to speak. every piece of dialogue and lore is about some esoteric subject, some famous person, some far off land, you feel like you've joined someone else's D&D campaign mid way through and the setting is entirely of their own design and half the terms and things they say to each other are in a language of their own creation.
>hi i'm valerie. i was supposed to be a favoured paladin of the god of beauty but i wanted to be valued for more than my looks so now i'm a fighter instead. i fight for whoever values me for my merits over my looks/destiny
>i'm amiri. i like to kill things. i sometimes make references to my god as a battlecry but thats not really important. i was shunned by my tribe for going against gender norms. the reason why this is important becomes clear later on. you can decide yourself what you think about that
vs
>im eder and this is durance, do you have a brief few hours or days to talk about waidwen, magran, the dyrwood, the saints war, raedceras, halgot citadel and the godshammer?
Luke Edwards
Game has alot of dialogue, it starts to go in to more gameplay than dialogue later on. At least from my experience.
John Nelson
perfect wife material desu.
Carson Miller
>i want dumb kids nah, you're a duke, it's in your best interest to marry someone with great stats.
Julian Price
Damn, loredumps can really kill interest in otherwise interesting game pretty easily.
Jace White
unless youre trying to raise a brood of haste bots INT is a dump stat. even rogues (the best class btw) dont need INT in this game
Christian Cooper
What! Is THAT Elli wife! Ellen IS a CUTE Harvest Moon wife AND Elli IS a CUTE Harvest Moon wife user BUT it DOES depend ON game AND time period user! (It does! It does!)
i honestly played something like 40 hours of POE over a couple of aborted playthroughs and i couldnt tell you what the story is about.
its a pretty basic story about gods having disagreements with each other or some shite like that but the presentation of it is a total mess. whoever wrote that story probably has 5 year old kids that can't speak english but are still trying to learn the alphabet. its all assbackwards in how the ideas, lore and concepts are taught to you. nothing feels organic about it
Isaiah Sullivan
You may not like it, but this is how perfect wife stats look like.
Okay, I want full custom party! In D&D games, I usually run classic Cleric, Fighter, Rogue, Wizard, Ranger. Wizard, Ranger and Rogue on the back, Fighter and Cleric on the front.
How to modify this party and with what classes to make them shine in Pathfinder?
lmao imagine your waifu having such low stamina. 2 pump chump that wants to get cucked by a haerdalis detected. the actual state of you mate. i'll take my pure white human waifu that knows her place and has literally godlike devotion to me instead
David James
Viconia IS a GOOD drow mommy wife BUT her ending IS bad user BUT she IS a GOOD drow mommy wife user! (She is! She is!)
Jaxon Diaz
All these classes are in Pathfinder already and you even get premade companions to fill these slots. If you are used to DnD, conversion is easy.
Aiden Smith
It's fedora master story (you basically try to avenge your atheist friend all the time) but it's more about how un-epic it is. Everything cool already happened long time ago and all you see is ash and ember left. You don't even do anything special, just interrupt some guy doing his job since centauries (and in good faith) and save your own psyche. You are just side story guy in PoE and that's what bites the ass.
Noah Johnson
I only heard that Rogue us now better as dw frontline and that's all.
I know but at the same time I heard that Cleric for example is not suited for front combat so I wanted to ask.
Ryan Morgan
Thank you based autist for recommending kingmaker it was great
Levi Cruz
You cannot make him your main tank or your main source of melee damage(at least in anything above normal). They can easily do a secondary role in each case. You can spec clerics to be casters of course. Where did you even hear that from anyway? When did DnD clerics become unsuited for melee?
Logan Jones
You forgot to mention that the vast majority of the lore dumps in PoE are completely irrelevant and about events that you will never see or have any relation to. It's genuinely one of the worst written A+ games I've ever played.
Oliver Walker
In the same order you listed the classes: Harrim, Valerie, PC Rogue, Octavia(as arcane scoundrel), Ekundayo. That's only 5 btw so take either Amiri(barb), Linzi(bard) or Jaethal(inquisitor, kinda of like cleric or favoured soul) as your sixth.
Rogues are front line fighters in Pathfinder btw. The game provides you with feats to add your dex bonus to hit and damage, and you'll have huge AC, and flanking procs sneak attacks so you'll be shitting out massive sneak attack damage on every hit.
Also rangers, like Ekun, have animal companions which are actually really useful in Pathfinder. Dog is an absolute beast. At level 10 with Enlarge Animal spell buffs he has something like 40 str and dex.
Brandon Jenkins
That somebody called Pathfinder Clerics more casters than fighters as opposed of walking deities from 3.5 D&D.
Nathaniel Thompson
Not him but DnD isn’t pathfinder and clerics fucking suck at frontline in kingmaker
I don't want to touch any pre-made companions. It's all custom or nothing. Thanks for the rest of the tips, tho.
Wyatt Flores
Why would you avoid them?
Jordan Hughes
Your definition of suck is interesting, but unless you play on unfair, clerics can do a great job in the front, especially for a full caster class.
Nathan Bennett
The feeling that you always have to return to your kingdom because of some opportunity or problem you can miss. Sometime the DC is too high and you can fail everything. Also, some problems are on a timer and can get pretty devastating if you don't take care of them. You can softlock yourself if you can't solve a problem because the right advisor is busy something another important problem. I had to change difficuly once because one problem had a DC high as fuck and nobody could solve it.
Every single one of these things are bad gameplay design and shouldn't happen.
Zachary Brooks
Theres so many female warriors. Fundamentally not fun.
I don't care if their build sucks or if you can drop them.
If the appeal is supposed to be story and dialog and then you get stuck with butch dykes, its not fun
Oliver Baker
Are you retarded? Her low stamina only means she's a bit more fragile and get tired more quickly, how the fuck is it related to 2pump chump? Women don't need much stamina to spread their legs. HaerDalis can cuck you with Aerie. Did you even play the game or just love to shitpost?
Isaiah Barnes
>Varnhold Vanishing >piece of shit raven following me around everywhere >keeps subtly trying to get my name >remember loading screen tip >fuck you bird >refuse to give my name to anyone and specifically avoid the options when talking to the raven >continue quest >find a dead defaced sister, find out they're f*y shits >of the three I was meant to find, one is dead, one never returned because I made her cry for sending people to their deaths >remaining ones throw a hissyfit and tell their barbarian buddies to kill me >but not before screeching my name within hearing distance of the fucking raven piece of shit f*y I'll burn the First World to the ground.
Isaac Long
>the vast majority of the lore dumps in PoE are completely irrelevant and about events that you will never see or have any relation to
But as a first time player you still obliged to read it all in case you miss something or simple because reading is a part of most RPGs. Awful writing AND awful design.
Yeah but again, in another misleading choice, you are made to feel important. Really important. You have this power to fuck with souls, you have a title: "the watcher," and you get these other indications that you're something special.
Shit game, shit writing, shit presentation, shit story telling.
Clerics can be useful in the front line for keeping squishy DPS classes on their feet, like barbs for example, or for simply keeping your tank tanking in long fights. In Kingmaker specifically, Harrim can easily get over 30 AC so he's a good tank with the right feats. The time pressure aspect of the kingdom management means you can't sleep 8 hours every time you take a scratch like you could in say Baldur's Gate so having someone that can channel positive energy and heal your whole team for as much as 30 HP each like 8 times a day is pretty invaluable. Also in Kingmaker YOU WILL get poisoned and have your stats fucked. And this doesn't go away until actively healed by a restoration spell or potion. You can't not have a cleric so you might as well armor it up and make it tank hits.
Nolan Morgan
Damn, what were they thinking? It's nwn2 all over again but worse.
Chase Adams
>Women don't need much stamina to spread their legs.
you must fuck like a little bitch lol. or you're a virgin. pro tip nerd: they don't call it pounding for nothing. extended fucking sessions leave women sore. and thats just vanilla sex
Colton Collins
That is why it's a fantasy user. You can have female fighters as good as men. You can have women with more than 12 Int. Let female gamers have their power fantasy too.
Juan Turner
>Only 14 charisma PFFFFT HAHAHAHA, LOOK AT THAT 6/10 WIFELET, NO WONDER SHE'S NEUTRAL EVIL, NO CHAD WOULD EVER TOUCH HER!
Daniel Lewis
lmao ok incel
Nicholas Watson
I thought that was valid, you're a public figure, they should be able to work it out. It'd be weirder if you could get through it without them learning your name.
Just take Jaethal to the dungeon at the end of the chapter, she's great in it. Fuck enervation and con damage.
Asher Butler
they fixed all that in the enhanced edition. you get about half a year between chapters to get your kingdom in order and you can use "crisis points" to change your chances to succeed to deal with a kingdom problem from say 65% to 90% now.
even before that, it really wasn't that hard. just ignore "opportunities" and solve "problems" and don't stray outside your kingdom for weeks at a time
I hate all premades in rpgs. It's my story, not theirs, Im the one making the party and story, not babysitter for bunch of guys who comments around and have unoptimized stats.
Zachary Ortiz
>I have so little self control and women feel so little when I'm thrusting that I must resord to battering them with my groin. OH NO NO NO just finish and then give her head untill she finishes on your face if you're only other option is literally leaving her sore.
Ryan Kelly
I just got a hospitaler and a cleric with death ward. That should work too.
Henry Green
based cringe based autist. i'm sure you've already played IWD but you should if you haven't
Kayden Sanders
>Jaethal tanking soul eaters and specters >Kalikke Casting a slick per round tripping every cyclops in the area easily >Nok-nok killing everything within a round cause undead not immune to sneak attacks in pathfinder >Tristian is there to heal in case of fuck-ups >And someone is there to wield the undead bane greataxe
The dungeon was easy mode.
Nolan Mitchell
>supposed to be beautiful and make every man fall in love just looking >portrait is ugly as fuck Why?
Colton Moore
>don't stray from your kingdom
This is annoying. It's like going on holidays for 2 weeks, going back to work and find out you have 100 emails to check.
There is too many problems and opportunities and it doesn't feel fun to manage your kingdom. It's pure tedium, update or not.
Gabriel Cook
What!
Justin Perry
Well, you will be interacting with them either way cause they will be filling your advisor slots.
Austin Rodriguez
Unless it needs you to be in the throne room, you can do events from anywhere in your territory (and new building lets you do them outside of your territory eventually as well). So you just have to see a few guests once a month.
Isaiah Jones
you can expand your kingdom and mange it from within any lands you control.
honestly i think you're either bad, dumb or most likely got overwhelmed by what seems like a deep and complex management sim on your first go. it happened me too. don't feel bad. its actually pretty simple when you figure out how to make it work for you.
Nolan Diaz
Same desu. I prefer stuff like IWD, wizardry, etrian odyssey, elminage and all that. Stuff where your party is just a band of nobodies and the story is more about the world rather than about them. PFKM is still a fun game, but I prefer it with custom mercs. Especially because the premades are generally unlikable to me.
Samuel Williams
In theory, she does not even try to take care of herself (no proper haircut, no make-up etc) unlike Octavia.
Or she has divine attraction bestowed by Shelyn, and that is why she scars Valerie. She has a personal interest
Colton Reyes
Valerie is onyl good for taking troll's dicks like a champ while this motherfucker burn everything to the ground.
I DID back kickstarter AT high tier WHEN I saw Valerie user! (I did! I did!)
Nathaniel Gonzalez
You don't understand. I like the game and think it's the best CRPG since BG2. The kingdom management can be deep, complex, whatever you want but it is not fun. I'm not thrilled to get some card and discard it with clicking on some advisor and wait a few days or week to solve another card.
Gabriel Gomez
her skin and bone structure, nose and lip shape, etc are absolutely perfect you incel. the point is that she's supposed to not wear make up and has that retarded Lloyd Christmas hair on purpose
honestly its probably tower shield specialist, cleric, haste bot of some sort and 3 rangers.
i've never tried it before but if you can have multiple animal companions at a time, and given how OP they are, 3 rangers would be wildy OP. the tower shield specialist is your tank, and the cleric keeps everyone healthy between fights
Nathaniel Nguyen
Is the hardest difficulty simply not meant to be done?
Are ranged classes any good here or shit like dnd?
James Cook
You can just use auto kingdom menagment set to easy. Or a mod that reduces all events to 1 day and 100% success chance if you dont like it and just focus on the CRPG aspect of it all.
Aaron Roberts
What will happen if you fail to solve these problems, game over screen?
Daniel Diaz
Good if you have an animal companion but other animal companion classes are just better. You also have a ranger party member in the story later.
Jaxon Garcia
>tower shield specialist Too many lategame enemies target touch ac for armour to actually make for a good tank, monks do it much better. A monk with the lawful good-only robes that give +5 ac is ridiculously hard to hit.
Dominic Walker
very good other animal companions classes might be "better" but only if you like micro'ing casters or being a melee dps/animal companion type, in which case you'll just get in each others way a lot.
if you wanna steamroll the game with minimal clicks, long bow rangers are the way to go
Ethan Bell
If you constantly make the worst possible mistakes or fail kingdom events your kingdom enters various degrees of unrest. Maximum unrest is game over. Its hard to acualy screw up so bad that you do get a game over but the game is RNG to an extend thou you can use Crissis points as a sort of currency make it less RNG but these are limited. But even then its just unnecessary thing to worry about when you just want to go adventuring.
Jaxson Harris
Personally i found spamming summons and buffs before more difficult fights is the best way to steamroll the game. Obviously you do need to have good actual DPS on top of summoning 20 skeletons 6 elemental and 4 Summon monster spell caster creatures.
Alexander Peterson
miss me with all those clicks nigga
my mages have one spell and one spell alone memorised: haste. thats all theyre good for.
Matthew Clark
Arcane trickster with half a dozen metamagic variations of scorching ray set to every spell level works pretty well as a fire and forget wizard character.
And a high DC caster with weird just ends encounters.
Ryder Hughes
This. I started the game several times, and could never get past Season of Bloom aftermath. it's almost a year of doing literally nothing or constantly savescumming if you want the best outsome for the events. Also Jhod quit after I refused another one of his retarded proposals and I only have harrim for the position of grand cleric now, and i feel like he'll really turn my kingdom into a downer daisy's turf
Luis Evans
Enhanced edition lets you hire generics as advisers that don't care what you pick.
Oh, that's fucking great, actually. Because I'd rather burn my kingdom to the ground than give any government position to fucking L*nzi, that money laundering cunt