Looks like you where having fun for a minute there, time to end that

he can only throw out one at a time, it's not like young link where at any given moment he's spamming, boomerang, arrow, AND bombs.

YL mains don't have fun either, he's really unsatisfying to play, and I had plans to main him before release.

Just play big boy Link.

I main Young Link because I love Zelda and OoT and MM in particular. I haven't touched online since I bought Ultimate.

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>protagonist of the best games ever made
>somehow a bad addition to "videogames the videogame"

>t. Marss

Zelda games are SHIT LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

>Discord

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You ended it the moment you showed up in the trailer and I knew they were never going to fix the Zelda representation in this game

>Joker gets Arsene
>approach him anyway instead of being patient
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY AM I LOSING

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>Be patient
>Get suffocated with side-bs and watch all your projectile spam get nullified by his counter/reflector
>He rushes you down anyways and kills you at 50%

>standing around like a retard and letting Joker hit you with side-B's
>spamming projectiles at a character you know has a reflect
I severely underestimated your retardation.

good riddance game and watchfags got dabbed on during smashcon

OP =/= Unfun to fight
Simon and Richter are both trash, but it's still not fun to wade through their tsunami of projectiles to actually put your hands on them

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so to you, being patient means "run away and hope the character with Shiek's speed, Ganondorf's power, and Shulk's range doesn't hit you for 30 seconds"?
Not him btw

Literally yes. Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to approach a Joker with Arsene. Unironically get good.

Wait, Leon got announced?

>Literally yes
Ah, so you're a Joker main trying to push the "He isn't broken despite having a 100% tournament winrate" narrative in the hopes that he doesn't get Bayo'd, good to know

>so to you, being patient means having an actual strategy to beat an oponent by nullifiyng its strengths instead of charging like an idiot towards death?
yes?

I main Ridley you cancerous cunt. Stop playing online like an underaged faggot.

But as said, you cannot zone him since he has the best reflector in the game, you can't run away from him unless you're playing one of the five characters on the roster that are faster than he is, and according to you, actually engaging him is a non-option. Ergo, Joker is uncounterable.

>Nullify Joker's strengths
His strengths include everything in the game, though.

Stop crying, Jokercuck. He's getting nerfed and you are going to have to cope.

YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ZONE HIM YOU ABSOLUTELY RETARDED FAGGOT. ENGAGING HIM IS AN OPTION YOU DENSE CUNT, HE DOESNT HAVE ARSENE ALL THE TIME.

>HE DOESNT HAVE ARSENE ALL THE TIME
LOL anybody that is handed a controller to play Joker for the first time gets at least two Arsenes per stock for free because you gain Arsene for literally every action you perform because he's busted

Joker is not that fast though.

More whipcracks than Johnny test. Fun to play as, though.

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>imagine being this mad over getting BTFO'd

You lost, cuck. Joker is broken and he IS getting nerfed. I know the thought of using actual skill to win fills you with rage and despair, but you're gonna have to do it and you're going to have to cope.

Smash bros you need to get in here NOW"

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Again, I play Ridley.

holy shit that movie was fucking garbage

I enjoyed it.

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There are 14 characters on the roster of 72 that are faster than he is

>Nobody has a gun to your head forcing you to approach a Joker with Arsene
Joker literally does.

You're not fighting against the right YLs, I fire an arrow, toss a bomb and go in with a tilt to make sure my opponent is going to get hit, and sometimes I lead with boomerang first.

Imagine being this bad at a video game made for children

I accept your concession

>Combo joker for 40%
>Arsene bar is nearly full
If they just adjusted that meter so it didn't reward playing badly, nobody would be complaining.

You can't just do that the whole match, the opponent catches on unless they're an absolute retard. There's nothing in the game that can't be avoided.

*keeps you in the air forever*
But he barely does any fucking damage so you just hit him once and get the same percent he spent a minute juggling you for

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You just bitch about every single character

Watching smashcon made me want to get into Ken. How do I Ken?

>Are they below 20%
Play Street Fighter
>Are they above 20%
Shoryuken

I also do nairs, bomb crossups, hookshot stuns, spin attack baits, and boomerang into dair spikes. That playstyle is a bad matchup against reflector users, so I do have pretty good sword game, but I try and let others deal with them unless its a 1 on 1 match.

That's not sheik

play real fighting games

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Play Lucina to cleanse your palette of how you play. She teaches you fundamentals like no other

Mario and C. Falcon work too

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>Play an ape-brain swordie
Pass

There's literally nothing cheesy about Lucina besides how simple and easy she is compared to most of the cast. She is super tame compared to most of the other top tiers

Lucina is the definition of braindead cheese

>Play Kirby
>Suffer

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>people still fall for kirbycides to this day
>people STILL fall for the fully charged hammer counter bait since 4
No matter how shit he gets he will never not be amusing to play.

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smash is a real fighting game, the very best one in fact

Nope, you're just bad.

What cheese does Lucina even have? I think Marth is the better pick for trying to learn fundamentals since you get feedback for good spacing, unlike Lucina. I don't agree with him saying Mario/Falcon, who are way more into setplay.

The fact that boomerang is safe on shield point blank is everything I need to know about Ultimate. Jesus Christ people have no concept of actually committing to moves, so it makes playing against people so tedious.

I mean playing Ultimate is braindead cheese, why not play a real game like Melee?

Go take a shower.

*Picks a starfox character*

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This. I enjoy Ultimate and consider it a huge step-up from 4 but holy shit what was Sakurai thinking when he removed the endlag on everything?

>you want to play coop and have explicit stage preferences on?

Heh, nothing personal kid.

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don't even bother, jokerdrones are absolutely impossible to get through to. they literally believe he's fair and balanced.

this

>Main is extremely weak to zoners due to shit airspeed and dependency on outranging the opponent with strong telegraphed attacks.
>Doesn't matter at because zoners would be cancer to fight even on a character that counters them.

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Young Link is only good for porn

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Falcon main here. I don't feel he's friendly to beginners much like the series he comes from. The timing on all his combos are really tight. He also lacks an easy way though common online shit like Ike nair spam. I'd recommend playing a variety of characters, different characters will teach you different things.

>play against any link
>runs to the edge of the stage and spams bombs/boomerang

>play against wii fit trainer
>runs off the side of the stage and spams ball/salute the sun

>play against DDD
>runs off the side of the stage and spams gordo/inhale

its all so tiresome

Young link is such a fucking fugly design.

Heh, leave this to me!

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I really don't know what people get out of playing characters like this online. I feel absolutely nothing when I beat them so I don't really know how they feel when they win.

Can they PLEASE buff Toon Link? He's easily the worst of the 3 but hes been my main since brawl and it sucks to see him be the worst kink gameplay wise

>Arsene comes out
>Proceed to camp off-stage till he goes away

I'll respect Arsene, but you gotta respect deez ballz

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Young Link doesn't have a Hylian Shield/Razor Sword combo
>only new music related to him is Termina Field aka another fucking Hyrule Overworld remix
>character himself is a piece of shit clone who can spam and runaway better
fuck Young Link

>People that quit after one win or loss

Fuck you, I want to get better and you're abusing this shitty ass ranking system because you think these points are anything besides a huge fucking joke

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>tfw fell for the rematching meme and got knocked out of elite into shitter GSP fighting one guy who was obnoxious and soul draining to play against over and over again.
>It's taking weeks to get back and I still haven't gotten back into elite.
>Every match in the shitter GSP range was against cancerous smash attack baiters, shameless zoners and genuine ungabunga shitters.
>Got almost no GSP for winning while fucking batting down people trying to cheese a victory+teabag against me over and over and over again. So it takes forever to be able to fight players around my skill level again.
>Nothing you learn fighting those "people" is applicable to playing with human beings. End up with a lot of bad habits I have to unlearn.
>All because I rematched one person until I could beat them, thinking I could learn from losing over and over again. (I didn't and I didn't beat them before they stopped rematching.)
Never again and fuck you for trying to trick people into that.

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>haha looks like you outspaced me and made me whiff my move!
>Would be a shame if I did an uncharged homing attack which would also be safe on shield
>Would also be a shame if I decide to hold it and either rape your shield or your face for a hefty 30%

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You're better off going to arenas or even tournament mode for practice. there's no gsp to worry about, so there's less salt when you lose, and less reason for others to use degenerate strategies.

Japan thinks Toon Link is better than Young Link and since they seem overall better than NA they are right.

This just makes me want MM Switch

Mkleo is so good he literally mind breaks his opponents, downloads them mid set and proceeds to use the knowledge gained to come back and reset the bracket and dominate his opponent. There is no excuse. Samsora destroyed Mkleo, went to Grand Finals and almost won until Mkleo figured out mid fucking match what he needed to do and proceeded to win it all. There is no excuse, he fucking outplayed everyone. All of you whining faggots can get fucked. Zackray is man enough to admit he got outplayed and tell the people making excuses for him to fuck off, so you unskilled dickriders should learn something and do the same.

>not literal time wasting characters
>not Ness, Lucas and Jigglypuff

YL relies on a barrage of confusing projectile spam and most YL players are bad at adapting, interrupt his momentum and bully

He's literally waiting for you to hit him so just throw him

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Agreed.
The comeback mechanic function of Arsene is the shittiest thing about him.