Hypocrisy at its finest

Are you unironically telling me Polygon has never advocated for the censorship of sexual anime games?

imagine caring about what some wagecucks write for a living

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Based

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No, actually. I couldn't find a single article where a Polygon author said we needed to censor anime.
>Strawman andy at it again

Got you covered family

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Honestly alcohol makes you more violent than vidya. Ban alcohol.
t. drunk rn

It's almost like Gamergate was right

You can't insist that sexy game bad but violent game good. It's a hypocritical double standard. The only reason banning violent games seems at all reasonable is because games journalists have been attacking games that offend their delicate sensibilities for years.

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>moving the goalposts
Literally none of these are Polygon articles, lmao

I never said that the ENTIRE INTERNET, including random fucking twitter literally whos never claimed anime isn't sexist.

It was GRUMPFLR who said it so of course it's bad. If he had said the opposite you can bet your left nut that they'd say the opposite as well.

Wrong.

Trump is trying to protect gun rights by half-assedly using an old scapegoat.

You can tell he's essentially ambivalent about gun regulations and doesn't care at all about vidya but knows he can't let the anti-gun lobby gain more ground before 2020 so he's just deflecting to shut them up.

>actually giving mass media clicks
Got dang retard.

>that pic
Yes, Anita said that, but that's the equivalent of seeing a murderer standing above a dead body with a bloody knife in their hand and them saying "I never murdered anyone". She's lying through her teeth.

Oh my bad, well show me a Polygon article criticising the censorship of Dead or Alive or Omega Labyrinth then. Or are they conveniently silent when that happens?
The only time I've heard them criticise censorship is when that gay cartoon got censored in the UK or when Trump is up to something.
But keep trying to convince me they don't have an agenda.

And the left still cant figure out why they keep getting played
fucking lol

by this point everyone knows mainstream media is your enemy and designed to destroy you the question is what are you going to do about it hahahahaha you're gonna do jack shit besides sit at your PC and whine

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Kill yourself retard

Every goddamn one of them subtly implies that video games with guns and playing with them may make you antisocial.
You're not fooling anyone you worthless faggot.

Journos go in the bog

Bonus vidya related post: genwun is unironically the best

Damn, is this how weebs really argue?
>Polygon has said we need to censor anime
>I can't find any articles of Polygon saying we need to censor anime
>OH YEAH? WELL HERE'S PROOF (from left to right)
>Twitter chain where literally no one says anime is sexist and just mock play-asia's twitter for using the "SJW" buzzword (note there is not a single actual writer from Polygon there)
>A youtube e-celeb
>A website that isn't polygon
>A website that isn't even a legitimate news and isn't Polygon
>Another website that isn't a legimitimate news websites (and doesn't even exist anymore) and isn't Polygon
>7 websites that aren't polygon
>Not a single website that actually says we need to censor anime

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>moving the goalposts yet again
So now "not criticizing the censorship in DoA" = "I want to censor anime as a whole"
Embarrassing weeb trying to damage control after realizing he has shit-tier reading comprehension.

I'll be honest with you, I just took you at your word as correct because I was too lazy to check. But unsurprisingly they aren't fans of the game! What do you know...

>Not a single website that actually says we need to censor anime
How's that single digit IQ treating you?

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Yes you dumb shit, a journalism outlet which speaks out against X and remains silent about Y is pretty clearly pushing an agenda, you dumb mother fucker.

>censor anime
>not dead or alive
Fuck you're retarded.

see here

You still haven't named a single article that points to Polygon actually asking for anime to be censored. At best you linked one article where they criticized DoA. You are literally equating criticism to a demand for censorship, which is retarded.

But its not arguing for censorship, its just saying those who defend Dead or Alive are sexists creeps

fuck Polygon and fuck vidya tabloids.
But OP is a massive retard and faggot for not realizing these are by different authors.

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happy?

Oh right I wonder how I could get confused by this.
Well can we agree that call of duty shouldn't be censored then, but anyone who defends it is a psychopathic spree shooter?

I'm not linking to fucking Polygon and I'm not wading through their articles looking for evidence to proove a point to you. I know what they are like and you're being a fucking pedant or ignorant if you're trying to pretend they're anything else.

and he disappeared.

Actually it's even weaker than that, because this doesn't criticize the base game, it just criticizes the VR mode. And even worse, the author admits that she doesn't have an issue with the game personally and acknowledges she isn't the target audience.

This is the power of weeb reading comprehension, we've moved from
>Polygon wanted to censor anime
to
>The entire internet criticized Dead or Alive Xtreme
to
>One author from Polygon criticized the VR feature of Dead or Alive Xtreme

No, he's actually just indifferent about guns but politically pragmatic about regulations. That's why he didn't fight the bump stock bullshit.

It's honestly his most Republican policy stance: "We only surrendered a little bit, rather than just giving the Dems everything they wanted. Vote for us!"

The 1st and 2nd Amendments won't survive the 2020s.

>doesn't criticize the base game
>it's just creepy
>you're hurting fictional characters
>This is the power of weeb reading comprehension
Not him but Is this projection? also see for anime facism.
for anime.

Again I'm going to ask you to show me an article on Polygon being this critical of gore and violence in a game like Call of Duty.
They're clearly pushing an agenda.
Also don't reply to me, I'm done with you.
You're going around in circles and pretending not to know what's going on.

Hello. My name is Adam Reltih. I am a gamer, just like yourself. My favorite game is The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. I have very fond memories of pwning my friends in that game, and always getting the high score.

I, for one, am tired of leftists attempting to infiltrate and ruin our hobby. If we let them ruin video games, soon they will ruin society itself, and your country and family will be overrun with cultural Bolshevism.

I am thinking of forming a movement of fellow gamers, of which I am one, to stand opposed to the SJW menace. Who is with me?

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No, Trump is just an inconsistent retard. He was anti-gun in the 2000s and supported a "ban on assault weapons". Then he flip flopped during his campaign and has flip flopped numerous times on gun control since then. He has said we need to remove gun-free zones all across America but at the same time wanted to ban bump stocks. He hasn't had a consistent stance on expanding background checks

This is another way Trumpfags are hypocrites, they will roast Hillary for flip flopping her stances on gay marriage and video games that she held in the 90s, but are perfectly fine with Trump flip flopping over and over again on a regular basis, even when its weeks or months apart.

If you promise to make it illegal to censor Japanese animegames I will support your conservative agenda.

What's new? At this point, you can't believe ANY media that's published on face value and have to do you're own digging. Great, huh?

honestly this. Whenever someone tries to hold it against an outlet that their editorial board is allowed to voice their diverse opinions it comes out as such a self own.

I've noticed this tactic that people demand sources like an English 101 essay as if people keep bookmarks on all the articles that tick them off, but conveniently ignore common trends unless it's explicit stated in text. Is there a name for this?

Pedantry.

Not to worry, my fellow gamer. I am a strong ally of Japan.

We will need to censor the degenerate games, however. The ones with anti-Western values. And perhaps make sure the SJW developers do not make such bad games again. You would be OK with that, right?

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>article on Polygon being this critical of gore and violence in a game like Call of Duty.
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Do what you gotta do, as long as anime tiddies become a strong and virtuous Western value.

Why should I do all of the work for you? You still haven't linked a single article where a single Polygon author said we need to censor anime. The only thing you (or other retards did) is flounder around, trying to grab random bullshit from twitter, until you found one article where one author criticized the VR feature of one game in an attempt to damage control for your shit-tier reading comprehension

The retard argument you're probably going to bring up is "well yeah, but they still criticized it, which means they want to discourage the devs from releasing it so that's CENSORSHIP" but you can do use this retarded argument for anything. When people criticize CoD or military shooters for being generic or repetitive are they now "censoring" the game devs by discouraging them from making more games like that? When people here criticize open world games or "cinematic" games, are they also "censoring" games by discouraging game devs from making more of them? Criticism is not equivalent to a demand for censorship

>Update: The option to turn the graphic violence off is presented to the player when the game opens, as well as in the options.

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whoa whoa
do you expect Yea Forums to actually inform themselves?

>Giving them all those clicks
You sucker. Just ignore polygon.

No user, you're supposed to click on the article and give them ad revenue! That's the only way to properly debate them.

>weeb reading comprehension at it again
see
>censorship of sexual anime game
>sexual anime game
>bring in article about fascism
Also, once again, this is you conflating criticism with a demand for censorship. There isn't a single point in the article where he says that we have to remove Attack on Titan from being sold

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see

That's why I said he's clearly ambivalent about guns

He has strong stances on some shit and has made incremental progress on a lot of it but retards who think everything he says is gospel or that he's going to get everything he wanted in his first term screech about "muh no wall yet" and pretend the President trying to actually obey the Constitution instead of doing everything by EO fiat is bad.

HAHAHAHA
WHO IS CHANGING THE SUBJECT NOW FAGGOT

in the post i quoted its clearly said
>You still haven't named a single article that points to Polygon actually asking for anime to be censored
you not even ONCE said
>censorship of sexual anime game
>sexual anime game
just anime being censored

>people who watch these will sympathize with nazis
>nazis bad
What are you a proNazi faggot

Who do you think I was replying to, retard? I was replying to And even then the article you linked doesn't demand anime to be censored, it just criticizes one individual anime.

>it doesnt demand anime to be censored
>title of the fucking thing is IT CANNOT BE IGNORED

Sexualization is a symptom of a degenerate society. Video games must depict women as faithful wives and mothers, not harlots, and nudity is only acceptable in a Greco-Roman artistic sense.

> just criticizes one individual anime.
>about facism
its blatantly clear they want it censored are you retarded.

If you don’t censor fascists, they’ll censor everybody.

Support free speech. Censor fascists.

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it's sad that i can't even tell if this is real or satire

Also I'd like to add how much we've hilariously shifted the goal posts from the original thread, just to appease to the mental gymnastics of the retards here
>OP says Polygon are hypocrites, implying that they also attacked video games for causing violence
>But none of the articles he linked said that video games actually cause real-life violence
>Then another retard says yeah, but Polygon has asked for censorship of sexual anime games
>No one can find any articles suggesting that
>So retard posts a compilation of images of random people criticizing DoA Xtreme, twitter posts of people criticizing the publisher and not the game itself, none of which have to do with Polygon (and none of which demand for censorship)
>Retard realizes this and then posts an article of someone criticizing DoA Xtreme's VR feature
>But article does not demand DoA to be censored or removed
>So retard posts article where author criticizes Attack on Titan for having parallels to fascism
>Which again, does not demand for games to be censored, nor anime.

It's real.

See
You can use this line of thinking for literally any criticism online.

"WE MUST CENSOR FASCISTS" decries the fascist

Everyone of those articles subtly imply with weasel words that playing violent videogames desensitizes you to violence and gun all the while making you antisocial and how these are a bad combination.
The other article about Dead or Alive extreme talks about how you're a creepy person who's hurting fictional characters.
Are you deliberately acting retarded?

>fascism is when you don’t like me

Fascism is an ideology with actual viewpoints, mate. It’s not just heating freeze peach. I don’t believe in nationalism, I don’t believe in Third Position economics, and I don’t believe in rigid social roles. I’m not a fascist.

>Everyone who watches this might become pro nazi
>we can't ignore this
Thats not criticism thats asking to censor something
criticism is
>Eren's a fucking idiot who's slowly becoming what he hates
>he basically did a 180 and attacked citizens who weren't even relevant to the task at hand
Thats criticism

I like this because he says "It may seem paradoxical" implying that it isn't, but it is.

Wow Trump is based!

But he's not wrong we can't tolerate Facists or Commies
i like it too

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>Everyone who watches this might become pro nazi
>weeb reading comprehension again
He literally never said that in the article. There is not a single point in that entire article where he says that Attack on Titan will turn you into a Nazi, or where Attack on Titan is influencing people to become Nazis. So this doesn't even have anything to do with the original OP, lmao.

I bet they are seeing quite the traffic these days from these articles and the their titles are what do it for them, not their content.

>calling people out on reading comprehension
>when its clear he didnt read it
Do you enjoy being proven wrong?

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>Everyone of those articles subtly imply with weasel words that playing violent videogames desensitizes you to violence and gun all the while making you antisocial and how these are a bad combination.
Wrong. Most of the articles explicitly say that video games are not causally linked to violence. One article even offers counterpoints to the APA. Two of them simply say that a study exists without actually commenting on them (Polygon has done the same things for studies that are pro-video games).
>The other article about Dead or Alive extreme talks about how you're a creepy person who's hurting fictional characters.
So? She doesn't say that we need DoA removed from stores. She doesn't say that DoA shouldn't be sold. She doesn't even demand for the VR feature to be removed. You can argue she is trying to discourage games like DoA in the future by criticizing it, but if this qualifies as "censorship" then all criticism is censorship, because all criticism is an attempt to discourage the developer from doing something in the future.

This also ignores the fact that Polygon is also made up of multiple authors, who will inevitably all have different opinions, but you are pretending that they are a single entity or person (i.e. like Donald Trump). So this entire argument is retarded on multiple levels

>im not a fascist i dont just believe in the right to freedom of speech

WEEB READING COMPREHENSION AGAIN, LMAO

He didn't say Attack on Titan turns people into Nazis. He said the reason why he and other people are only noticing (and criticizing) the parallels to fascism now is because there has been a rise in right wing anime, as well a a rise in nationalism and hate groups in general.

Always bothered me that weebs ignore the blatant infringement of their shitu Nippon's right to exist by these globalist freaks. I hate bringing politics to this board but people are right when they say that politics will eventually, inevitably influence everything including that which you enjoy.

But I do wish we could have a proper front page, without commies, retardara, gamers etc

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Kinda want to see a list of "rightwing" Anime
been bored with the season so far

>Wrong. Most of the articles explicitly say that video games are not causally linked to violence.
I didn't say link. I said it makes you desensitized which is also what they say.
>So? She doesn't say that we need DoA removed from stores.
Thats because you're a sexist who wants to rape fictional characters.

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>hate groups
>authoritarianism
>nationalism
Nazis
>pro Nationalism
>pro authoritarianism
>Hate group
Fuck you are retarded

Article in your pic doesn't say anything about being desensitized to violence either.

I like how you conveniently crop out the second half of that article. The author explicitly says that violent video games didn't make his son violent, the only thing he implies is that some violent video games might normalize guns and gun culture because you can't shoot people by accident or anything and you aren't exposed to all of the potential safety hazards of an actual gun while playing a game, but you are exposed to all the fun and the gratification involved in it.

>Thats because you're a sexist who wants to rape fictional characters.
Author also didn't call anyone who played DoA a sexist or a rapist.

Weeb reading comprehension again, lmao

Let me break this down for you, retard
>Attack on Titan is turning people into fascists
vs
>Attack on Titan has parallels to fascism that we didn't notice until recently because there has been a recent rise in right wing anime and groups

See the difference?

>violent video game effects us
> he implies is that some violent video games might normalize guns and gun culture
>not desensitizing
It's important to me that you know what desensitize means. please tell me you know what it means.
>Author also didn't call anyone who played DoA a sexist or a rapist.
Keep telling yourself that sexist.

so some intelligence service made epstein go away and you losers are still making threads about which burger team thinks entertainment products cause psychological harm the most

nevermind, you deserve this shit and more

>titans introduced all these pro right wing facists.
poor dumb bastard, amerimutts must be the dumbest cunts alive

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Holy shit Yea Forums btfo

So you're not only holding it against her that you think she said something she didn't, but when she actually explicitly tells you that she doesn't believe that, you call her a liar? Maybe you're the one not being entirely honest here.

>It's important to me that you know what desensitize means. please tell me you know what it means.
You said desensitizing to both violence and guns, he specifically mentioned guns and said that his son isn't violent.

It's a completely banal article
>Video games have some influence, because all art and entertainment influences us in some way
>But that "influence" doesn't necessarily mean "good" or "bad"
>My son was "influenced" in that he learned a lot about guns at a young age because of all the games he played (although he never became violent)
>Also, he doesn't care about guns anymore
>So video games might normalize guns and gun culture

I also liked how you completely skipped over my point about how Polygon is made up of multiple authors with different opinions and are focused exclusively one one article.

i hold it against her, because she's lying through her teeth. She kills random strippers and then implies thats what all gamers do because the game rewards you for that behavior.
no dipshit thats just you.

JEWS RAPE KIDS YOU PAY FOR IT

Why do you keep cutting out context in paragraphs?

IT LITERALLY LEADS WITH "WHY ARE PEOPLE SEEMINGLY ONLY UPSET NOW". HE IS SAYING THAT SINCE ATTACK ON TITAN, THERE HAS A BEEN A RISE IN RIGHT WING ANIME, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S ONLY BEING NOTICED NOW. HE ISN'T SAYING THAT ATTACK ON TITAN INFLUENCED OTHER ANIME TO BECOME RIGHT WING

HOLY FUCKING SHIT, I THOUGHT AMERICANS WERE RETARDED BUT I WAS WRONG, EVERYONE IS RETARDED

>Forget about being a movie star, forget about becoming the next Beyoncé, if you want to be rich and famous in the entertainment world, you should start playing video games right now. Gross video game sales have outweighed box office receipts for over two decades, and they surpassed home video and theatre earnings combined fifteen years ago. The video games' industry has earned more revenue than the movie and music industries combined, every year for the past eight years.

I wouldn't expect the hate for vidya to stop any time soon.

> he specifically mentioned guns and said that his son isn't violent.
He's been desensitized to violence and gun thats what the article says his son isn't violent but he doesn't understand that violence has consequences.
>so liked how you completely skipped over my point about how Polygon is made up of multiple authors with different opinions and are focused exclusively one one article.
Nigga there are 8 articles im debating you on just one, and you've already failed miserably and refuse to let go. How can i go to advance math when you can't even get 1+1 right.

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> HE IS SAYING THAT SINCE ATTACK ON TITAN, THERE HAS A BEEN A RISE IN RIGHT WING ANIME, AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S ONLY BEING NOTICED NOW.
NO SHIT RETARD, THATS IMPLYING THAT ATTACK ON TITAN IS THE REASON THOSE HATE GROUPS WERE CREATED ARE YOU FUCKING DENSE? ITS SPELLED OUT FOR YOU.

I feel like this whole "paradox" stems from a bourgeois conception of "tolerance" as a personal virtue. People who pride themselves on how "tolerant" they are of others may genuinely worry when someone accuses them of intolerance towards their (bigoted) opinion. But if you consider that "tolerance" is a feature of society beyond the individual, then the effects of tolerance and its antithesis intolerance on certain populations becomes obvious, and we can see that a more tolerant society is clearly more desirable and therefore intolerance must be minimised as much as possible. There's really not even a paradox looking at it from that perspective.

user, you're blatantly misrepresenting her argument her, so don't accuse her of being dishonest, you hypocrite.

It's really not.

Man, I wonder how much of Yea Forums's perpetual SJW panic is just over poor reading comprehension

I remember making pastebin for some temporary earlier this month and it got like 50 views in 10 minutes. and the thread had like a handful of posts. imagine the clicks these polygon goons get when they shitpost their articles in active threads.

>you're blatantly misrepresenting her argument he
>When she flat out says it
>and flat out murders the women who had nothing to do with the objective
please explain how i was being dishonest about her murdering npcs that have nothing do with the objective and actively hurt your score?

I know I clicked each and every one of those links just to spite Yea Forums

>it's really not
Except the paragraph that literally states a rise in hate groups with the rise of Attack on titans
One things for sure a Europoor doesn't have proper reading comprehension.

NO YOU DUMBFUCK

I AM GOING TO BREAK IT DOWN FOR YOU, SO EVEN A FUCKING RETARD CAN GET IT

1. WHY IS NO ONE NOTICING THE PARALLELS TO FASCISM UNTIL NOW? WHY ARE WE ADDRESSING IT NOW, WHEN ATTACK ON TITAN ISN'T POPULAR ANYMORE

2. BECAUSE EVER SINCE ATTACK ON TITAN "EXPLODED ONTO THE SCENE" THERE HAS BEEN A RISE IN RIGHT WING ANIME

3. SO BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A RISE IN RIGHT WING ANIME, WE ARE NOTICING THE PARALLELS TO FASCISM NOW, WHEN IT ISN'T POPULAR ANYMORE

HE IS NOT IMPLYING THAT ATTACK ON TITAN'S POPULARITY LED TO THE RISE OF RIGHT WING THOUGHT. HE IS NOT SAYING THAT PEOPLE ARE UPSET AT ATTACK ON TITAN FOR THAT EITHER. HE EVEN SAYS AFTERWARDS
>Put simply, this stuff is on people’s minds and the signs are relatively easy to spot.
MEANING THAT IT IS EASIER TO SPOT NOW BECAUSE RIGHT WING ANIME IS ALREADY GROWING MORE POPULAR, SO DISCUSSIONS AROUND THEMES LIKE THIS ARE MORE MAINSTREAM NOW

Why does anyone even pretend that censorship isn't happening? Honestly, you have got to be the most out of touch wackadoodle to somehow conceive yourself that it isn't a massive problem nearly everywhere these days.
Do you just agree with the censorship or what? I'd rather people not take the cowards way and hide by pretending nothing is wrong. Just admit to me you enjoy it and I'd probably tolerate your existence, until that happens though you'll continue to be shit on for being fags.

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No it doesn't, lmao. You weebs sure do have shit reading comprehension

He says that people are only noticing the fascist themes now because of the recent rise in right wing groups. This is why the fucking paragraph starts off with "Why are people seemingly only upset now (keyword, now) with the anime no longer at the peak of popularity and the manga winding down?"

>lefties are massive hypocrites
Who would have thought. A truly shocking revelation.

Her argument isn't "this is what all gamers do". Her argument is that the devs incentivise sexualised violence in the (presumed straight male) player by letting the player loose in a sandbox environment with a bunch of scantily clad women in it in out of the way places in a game where their primary means of interaction is violence. The argument that it "hurts your score" is pretty meaningless considering the devs not only gave you a way to recoup those points by hiding the body, but they also put all those things in the game to be interacted with and pretty much anyone who has played Hitman will at some point have started messing with random NPCs for the hell of it or gone on a killing spree. Because despite the scoring system, the game lets you do this. It'll even let you continue, unless you die.

>2. BECAUSE EVER SINCE ATTACK ON TITAN "EXPLODED ONTO THE SCENE" THERE HAS BEEN A RISE IN RIGHT WING ANIME
OH SHIT HOW DID THAT HAPPEN
>3. SO BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A RISE IN RIGHT WING ANIME, WE ARE NOTICING THE PARALLELS TO FASCISM NOW
OH WOW LOOK AT THAT, ANIME THAT JUST HAPPENED TO COINCIDE WITH RIGHT WING RISE IS NOW BEING NOTICED AFTER THE FACT
STOP THE PRESSES THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING.
>
MEANING THAT IT IS EASIER TO SPOT NOW BECAUSE RIGHT WING ANIME IS ALREADY GROWING MORE POPULAR, SO DISCUSSIONS AROUND THEMES LIKE THIS ARE MORE MAINSTREAM NOW
YOU DUMB FUCK THATS WHAT IM SAYING HOW CAN YOU BE SO RETARDED.

Damn I want to sexually FUCK Whitemane.

... what are you saying?

No you fucking retard, he is saying he didn't notice the fascist parallels until now because hate groups and right wing anime have ALREADY BEEN ON THE RISE RECENTLY. He didn't say that Attack on Titan created the fucking hate groups, he is saying that there has been a rise in hate groups already so people are noticing these connections more easily.

> Her argument is that the devs incentivise sexualised violence in the (presumed straight male) player by letting the player loose in a sandbox environment with a bunch of scantily clad women in it in out of the way places in a game where their primary means of interaction is violence.
>"this is what all gamers do". hurt scantily clad women
>incentivise sexualised violence
>when it hurts your score
and no you can't recoup those scores you recoup part of the score.

They're apparently upset because the world isn't a left wing circle jerk since they discovered the internet in 2016, now being shown the horrors of the "different opinion" they appear to be having a mental breakdown.

So did all of that go past you except the word "score" or what

So if it didn't create these hate groups, or anything like that then what's the problem with it, or any other anime being "right wing"?

Because he doesn't like right wing politics or fascism?

This is disingenuous, if this were accurate we'd see pro consumer and pro "right wing" articles occassionally, since Polygon only shows us left wing and pro corporate opinions they earn the title they get.
It's on them to prove otherwise.

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> He didn't say that Attack on Titan created the fucking hate groups,
Thats exactly what he fucking says
>he is saying that there has been a rise in hate groups already
That just happened to coincide with Attack on Titans creation, how convenient

Guess he can get over it then? Seems people don't like him either yet we allow him to cry in his safe space and get paid for it.

>all gamers do this
That would defeat your entire argument.

NOT VIDEO GAMES

SAGE
SAGE
SAGE
SAGE
SAGE

>defending polygon
>linking to polygon
>lying / misrepresenting the situation
end yourself the resetera tranny brigades are real, these people have done nothing but try to argue a causal link between behavior and the consumption of media since 2012 now for political reasons despite research constantly blowing them the fuck out

>Thats exactly what he fucking says
Jesus nigga

How do you tie your own shoes

Stop being retarded, user.

How did you pass English?

It's a genuine question, you're implying that every gamer does this. Does that not defeat your entire argument

They're doing it in this very thread, you can easily see the way they stretch to make these horrid articles normal. Yet never once do the ERA fags ask themselves, why is it gaming journalism is so focused on attacking what should be its main audience? Such vitriol and anger when they never actually discuss vidyagames.
That should be the one and only clue these dingbats need to see that corporate interests run their "trusted" journalistic opinions.

I explicitly denied it, that's the opposite of implying it.

Okay, so why is it an issue that he posted his opinion on the internet?

>lying / misrepresenting the situation
lel, how can you say that with a straight face when he's the one providing context to OP's fear-mongering with verifiable facts?

>pretty much anyone who has played Hitman will at some point have started messing with random NPCs for the hell of it or gone on a killing spree. Because despite the scoring system, the game lets you do this. It'll even let you continue, unless you die.
Literally your words.

>have shit-tier reading comprehension
>get called out on your shit-tier reading comprehension
>resort to generic NPC insult with no rebuttal
>make vague, unjustified claims
Yep, standard retard who browses here

When Anita Sarkeesian literally says that video games won't turn you into a sexist in 2013 you get butthurt, but when Trump consistently blames video games for turning people into monsters, that A-OK, lmao

what context you disingenuous nigger the point in op's article stands and all the other guy did was shift the goalposts

;like i said these people have been doing nothing other than using gaming as a scapegoat and claiming video games influence behavior since 2012

Quite well actually, I have an MA in English literature and one in Linguistics, both cum laude.

user, that's just a general observation about the way Hitman is played, and by extension, how they are designed. It's not about the strippers directly. But you can apply it to the strippers. So no, I will not say every gamer always kills strippers in video games. But I am pretty confident in saying that everyone who played Hitman will at some point have fucked around in a level to see the possibilities afforded by the game instead of going for a Silent Assassin run.

You know Sarkseesian filed for bankruptcy and is literally irrelevant now right? Just thought I'd bring you up to reality in 2019.

>what context you disingenuous nigger
Are you asking me to repeat what you can literally read for yourself in the very post you're bitching about? OP disingenuously juxtaposed a bunch of headlines in order to lead people to the misleading conclusion that Polygon was being hypocritical, when in fact it turns out that if you read the articles associated with those headlines, it paints a far more nuanced picture. Objectively, it's OP that's the disingenuous liar misrepresenting the facts. All the other person did was show you more facts.

Why does it matter if they kill strippers? You kill a fuckton of people. Why do they get immunity? Yeah, that's what I thought.

And you can say everyone will perform sexual violence on the strippers?
You can't because thats the furthest thing from your mind.

its an old macro you stupid niggers

>we don't say games cause violence, we're just saying it makes you more aggressive and we haven't done enough studies about the aggression leading to violence
yeah nuance

>defending polygon
actually end yourself
>have shit-tier reading comprehension
the fucking irony
>muh npc
lmao look at the npc
>no rebuttal
yeah shit tier reading comprehension alright
>make vague, unjustified claims
yes im sure you dont understand the concept of concern trolling amirite? they do nothing but go: "well technically we can't prove anything but we really should be worried because xyz" get the fuck out of here
>When Anita Sarkeesian literally says that video games won't turn you into a sexist
fucking kek she did nothing but that, she even argued that the focus of hitman was to kill women

>opinion articles by different authors
Do you not know how opinion pieces work?

Well there you could ask yourself why a game where you kill people was designed so you would end up in a dressing area with strippers. There is also the fact that turning the strippers into ragdolls will allow the player to better inspect them.
>And you can say everyone will perform sexual violence on the strippers?
No.
>You can't because thats the furthest thing from your mind.
But this is also not true.

If the entire website releases "opinions" that all follow the same narrative. Then no shit people cry foul, go damage control somewhere else.

all of those polygon articles are irrelevant shlock trying to baselessly and effeminately argue their way into the idea that games are something to be worried about

there is quite genuinely nothing dishonest about op since polygon has done nothing but shit on the medium and focus on modern progressive political viewpoints rather than actual vidya, these faggots are so aout of touch they have a bd name for their doom gameplay and the way one of their contributors slammed dragons crown because it was too sexist, get the fuck out of here

You can have all of those not comprehend the loaded questions and blatant goal post moves the articles use?

>she even argued that the focus of hitman was to kill women
Please read , if you can.

Also, if posting facts is "defending Polygon" then maybe you should ask yourself why you're attacking Polygon.

That doesn't answer the question, why does it matter you kill strippers? Does it hurt you to see females die? Weren't we on a crusade for equality or are you just a low functioning hypocrite who takes issue when a single female dies vs. the millions of men you kill.

>And you can say everyone will perform sexual violence on the strippers?
>No.
Exactly ain't no one got time for that shit.
>You can't because thats the furthest thing from your mind.
>But this is also not true.
What?
>There is also the fact that turning the strippers into ragdolls will allow the player to better inspect them
Nigga what? seriously have sex if you're that type of person, no ones going to to kill and then look at ps2 era strippers when theres porn online

If you do a simple Google search you will find plenty of Polygon articles which are talking about how there's no link between videogames and gun violence and it's a media scapecoat. OP has omitted them from his image.

>Well there you could ask yourself why a game where you kill people was designed so you would end up in a dressing area with strippers
Cause its fun and amusing
>There is also the fact that turning the strippers into ragdolls will allow the player to better inspect them.
Even better reason to kill them. What is the problem here?

>Her argument is that the devs incentivise sexualised violence
except the game literally doesn't and it directly disincentives it through point deduction

and yes defending polygon is a fucking sin because they are garbage journalists that don't actually care about videogames the same way most modern journalists dont care about anything other than their personal politics, but im guessing you're a fucking newfag or unironic ressettard so what can one do

>all of those polygon articles are irrelevant shlock trying to baselessly and effeminately argue their way into the idea that games are something to be worried about
user. It's a video game website. All of their writers play video games and earn their living with video games. They will never, in a million years, argue that video games are something "to be worried about". What they can be worried about, however, is the role of video games in society and how we depict certain issues in our entertainment media.

Honestly I think you're just a bit dull, which is probably why the attention-grabbing headlines went over a lot better with you than the more nuanced corrections.

Whatever you say princess, damage control, damage control, damage control. It's your own faults for following a narrative and never breaking from it. You reap what you sow.

im confused you say not all gamers then says everyone thats played hitman has done just that.
>Also, if posting facts is "defending Polygon" then maybe you should ask yourself why you're attacking Polygon.
Because they click bait and ask leading questions that shows how much they hate the industry while blatantly misrepresent everything.

>It's a video game website.
fucking lol could've fooled me all the people that write and comment there seem to detest most of video game history and the industry as it stands today
>They will never, in a million years, argue that video games are something "to be worried about".
fucking lol have yo been paying attention at all? these people will literally sabotage anything if it makes them look virtuoous

It doesn't matter directly, what matters is that the game encourages you to quite literally objectify innocent women in a sexualised context.
>no ones going to to kill and then look at ps2 era strippers when theres porn online
You're on Yea Forums. You've never seen DoA threads?

>he masturbates to ps2 era strippers
user do you know what the internet is for?

This is factually untrue, implying anyone at Polygon actually plays vidya is like saying Yea Forums plays vidya. Odd how they never have positive articles on video games and only ever have articles getting angry at some video game for daring to not follow their blind narrative.
The only dull thing here is you for actually defending these subhumans that act like parasites under the guise of being "journalists"

What fucking narrative? I hate Polygon, they produce utter shit, especially that condescending pretentious "I'm above this" Rock Band article. However, you being intellectually dishonest about opinions articles on websites helps nobody and furthers nothing.

>except the game literally doesn't and it directly disincentives it through point deduction
This is a simplistic view of video games. I already addressed precisely how the game incentivises this behaviour. You don't need points. The devs encourage you to play with things simply by putting them in the game. Getting Silent Assassin is a challenge, sure, but they didn't give, say, you a fuckload of guns with the idea that you're never supposed to use them.

No one has stalked and killed DoA combantants they just waifu the characters.
Theres a real big difference between the two

>Because they click bait and ask leading questions that shows how much they hate the industry while blatantly misrepresent everything.
Maybe if you actually followed up and read the articles instead of just the headlines you'd see just who's been misrepresenting what.

Women are meant to be objectified, they always will be. Why do you care is the question you keep skipping over.

>Odd how they never have positive articles on video games
Are you seriously so daft that you managed to convince yourself of this? Polygon is more than what you see on Yea Forums. Now, I wonder why people are only showing you certain negative headlines from Polygon. What could their intention be?

Some of us just want the points and don't enjoy the implications that we gun down innocents when we have nothing to do.

Why are you advocating for clickbait? You need to leave now if you're going this direction. You are the defacto problem with all of society if this is your argument. Start and over and try again.

aren't all those articles written by different authors or something?

One side shows evidence, you spout speculation. Hmm, I wonder indeed.

I did read them its full of leading questions, thats why i hate them

Yes, I am the problem with all of society because I tell you to read more than the headline. Lord almighty, the things people derive their undeserved sense of superiority from.

A headline based off sensationalized bullshit is inherently dishonest you literal moron. You've been in this thread literally defending intellectually dishonest journalism and you somehow think you're going to prove yourself a better person by doing this? Get fucked.

Almost every article on the Internet is now headlined to make you click. If you read anything, you have been clickbaited.

My evidence is the narrow selection of headlines that they choose to post on Yea Forums. There's someone behind that, you know. They don't just automatically appear here. Someone had a reason for that. I mean, it's not really speculation to say that, factually, as shown by the evidence we have, someone is building a one-sided negative narrative about Polygon.

>read head line
>Do video games cause violence
>Studies show that video games cause more aggression
>violence does not equal aggression
>but we still havent ruled out that link
>ad infinitium
no

Wtf is wrong with liberals.

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You're the intellectually dishonest one by jumping to conclusions based on headlines that are not actually borne out by the articles themselves and then bitching when it's pointed out to you. Polygon is not the one trying to convince you that they hate video games, user. If anyone has mislead you with their headlines it's your fellow Yea Forumsirgins.

Nice Twitter meme you utter faggot.

I haven't skipped over anything. Objectification is bad. That's my answer.

YIKES

Yea Forums is basically Twitter at this point. We even have the same trannies and libs shitting up the place.

Nothing to do at all with they themselves building that negative reputation for themselves by constantly putting out outragebait/clickbait/outright lying.
It's just a one sided narrative that sprang up from nothing on Yea Forums, right? Nothing to do with the insane shit they post for ad revenue.

Righty and lefty arguing with each other ad nauseum just without the checkmarks. Nuke this board.

dude their entire politics is like this
>everything that isn't expressly their preferred propaganda is socially harmful but actually i didn't specifically say that because if i did you would make me prove that and i can't so i'm just going to spaz out about problematic things for ten years

Do you fight this much for guys too

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>This is a simplistic view of video games.
its literally theo nly valid view of videogames if youre going to act pretentious enough to feign knowledge of reinforcement theory then you also have to understand that videogames are most defined by their mechanics, the option to do something in a videogame is not an endorsement of those actions either

also its literally just a video game, it's fake, movies didn't cause issues, music didn't cause issues, books didn't cause issues and neither do videogames not fuck off with your insidious conern trolling bullshit

It's funny how he replied to the other guy but didn't reply to my post about how blatanty shitty polygon is.

very cool, and kant-pilled, user. did you know that the only way for you to avoid sexual objectification is to confer coitus to the institution of marriage between a man and a woman?

It's unbelieve watching you dishonest people in action. You know you're lying, you absolutely do but you can't break the narrative or whatever it is that's compelling you to defend terrible articles from terrible people. Years of evidence piled against you and you casually turn a blind eye because you agree with a warped narrative that is anti consumer by nature.
I'd say I hate you but that's putting it softly, you've caused unbelievable damage to this industry with this righteous attitude when you haven't done a damn thing to earn acting this way besides blindly defending those who profit off you.

user, I just explained to you how you've been manipulated into forming a negative opinion about Polygon by people posting certain out-of-context headlines to imply a false narrative. And then you resort to that narrative to blame them.

there is no false narrative polygon is trash and incompetent

they do nothing but and they seem to detest the industry, it's history and anything that isn't explicitly part of their political worldview

>its literally theo nly valid view of videogames
That's objectively wrong though. Video games work on multiple levels and explicitly defined goals are only one of those. Is the point of Morrowind's open world just to be ignored as you do the main quest?

How do you harrass a bundle of pixels wrapped in a texture?

Don't know why you thought that line would work on me

Dishonesty, deflection, it's the same beats over and over.
So
Fucking
Tired
Do whatever, defend your corporate overlord, suck their dick until they dispose of you like the pawn you are. It gets old user, it got old long ago.

if by work you mean mock you for being the disciple of an incel christfag i think it worked pretty well

>You know you're lying, you absolutely do but you can't break the narrative or whatever it is that's compelling you to defend terrible articles from terrible people.
Well, there we go. I've been nothing but honest, not to mention patient with you, arguing in good faith, but ultimately you're already convinced that if I disagree with you I must be a malicious liar. Don't know why I bother sometimes.

>That's objectively wrong though
no it's objectively right thanks
>Video games work on multiple levels
sure but they work first and foremost on a mechanical level as a form of entertainment
>and explicitly defined goals are only one of those
they are central to the medium
>Is the point of Morrowind's open world just to be ignored as you do the main quest?
the gameplay of morrowind is not just the main quest morrowind is an open world rpg and that world is filled with many other quests, the gameplay of morrowind is about problem solving through interaction with the systems in the game

>they seem to detest the industry, it's history and anything that isn't explicitly part of their political worldview
I'd say that more aptly describes Yea Forums.

you are a malicious liar

Yea Forums glorifies gaming history so no, Yea Forums also has no singular political worldview

Honestly, just insisting that I believe something I don't is not very convincing as far as arguments go.

>But he's not wrong we can't tolerate Facists or Commies
Which is ironically why the leftists called Popper a fascist back in the day. H wasn't a commie and wasn't a fan of Adorno or the Frankfurter School.

Yea Forums doesn't imply you're a sexist who might become violent because you like videogames

>no it's objectively right thanks
That's not how it works. "Objectively" isn't just a power word for you to invoke. I have shown you that there are more levels of meaning at play in video games through examples. You can only maintain your view by denying huge parts of video games. Objectively speaking, you can't be right about video games.

The gameplay of Hitman is not just getting a Silent Assassin ranking. It is a sandbox game that is filled with many systems, tools, and NPCs for the player to interact with. The gameplay of Hitman is mucking about in the level and doing whatever the fuck seems fun to you.

No, the entire point of all of these rags is that they allow a bunch of nobodies to quickly write up "opinion pieces". Because they are "opinions", they can blatantly push agendas, lie as much as they please, make baseless statements without citing any sources, completely contradict themselves, and the site/paper can avoid absolutely all accountability for it.

we're not having an argument, loser, and i have no interest in convincing you of anything
you are a poorly educated boob whose framework for moralizing media comes from an incel christfag by way of catharine mackinnon: favorite feminist of morality in media

Ironically, that's a malicious lie.

that's not what irony is

>The gameplay of Hitman is not just getting a Silent Assassin ranking
Neither is it about people killing women in fact that would be something you don't do.

Okay. You're a humble farmer from Ohio who was inspired by the Communist Manifesto. What game are we playing?

That, too, is a lie, though this one is probably innocent and made in error.

the game where i make fun of you for building your identity around an intellectual tradition that you hate because you don't bother to read literature

>"Objectively" isn't just a power word for you to invoke.
ironic consider your post then ayylmao
>. I have shown you that there are more levels of meaning
yeah and ive successfully debated you on that claim
>The gameplay of Hitman is not just getting a Silent Assassin ranking
the very peak of player skill and competence is expressed through the score system

it's a videogame the killing of fictional women is completely irrelevant to anything and everything in that game that motivates player behavior actively disincentives it, just having an option to do something is not incentivizing that thing and you have not proven that it does and even if it did it's literally just a videogame and judging by past videogame studies and the inverse correlation between real world violence and the rise of interactive media in the world could mean the reduction of real world sexual violence

anyway shooshoo now concern troll better fuck off back to resetera

You can't say it's "something you don't do" when the game lets you do exactly that.

you can't lie uninentionally, you illiterate
what community college did you go to?

>hur dur the game lets you walk up on a skyscraper and jump off its incentivizes suicide
>hur dur the game lets you drive over people it incentivizes dangerous driving
>literally not a single piece of data to back this up
>giving a player a neutral playing field to anything in is incentivizing the player to do that thing
how much more retarded can you possibly get

Right-o. Does my character have a name?

If you directly go out of your way to kill something thats not related to the plot or scenario and in fact gets you actively penalized you're the outlier and are not representive of the larger overall majority.
When i completed Hitman my first thought wasn't to kill the women, it was to see how can i complete the game more quickly, then more funnily, in no way did my line of thought ever fall to just women.

faggot

>yeah and ive successfully debated you on that claim
You just went back to repeating shit about points. That's not a success, that's just stubbornness.
>the very peak of player skill and competence is expressed through the score system
And that doesn't matter a single fuck. In fact, it's not even true. If someone comes up with a really innovative and creative way to kill everyone in the level and puts it on youtube, you'd be impressed at his skill and knowledge of the game regardless of whether he tanked his score at the end of the level.
>just having an option to do something is not incentivizing that thing and you have not proven that it does
Yes it is and yes I have. Game devs design systems in their games to be interacted with. Not to not be interacted with. Whatever they let you do in the mechanics of the game is at some level intended for you to do. That's just logic.

>you can't lie uninentionally
You absolutely can, when you unknowingly tell a lie. In this case, your ignorance about the concept of irony or your wrongful evaluation of the situation have caused you to unwittingly deny the truth.

all of this hand-wringing over how people interact with simulations is a good reason to deindustrialize. so few are the real problems of life that one must argue over whether or not they avail themselves of the ability to "kill" clouds of numbers.

Are you saying that GTA does not incentivise the player to drive recklessly because boy

lies are intentional acts, and you don't know what irony is. please continue to humiliate yourself for my continued enjoyment.

>it was to see how can i complete the game more quickly, then more funnily
See, you're already admitting that there are other motives at play here than maximising your score.

you're like a broken record so i'll stop replying to you and trust anyone else is smart enough to go back through our discussion to see how you've already lost the argument, you have a nice day now

Very well.

Greetings sir, my name is Faggot and I have built my identity around hating Kant. Whomst might you be?

it actually disincentives it through wanted levels

If you think wanted levels disincentivise anything in GTA you know diddly squat about game design

haruki murakami
holy shit nationalize google and close it down

Lies are untruths. If someone told you a lie, and you repeated it, believing it, you would also be telling a lie, would you not?

Also, you genuinely must not understand what irony is if you think there is no irony in maliciously lying about someone being a malicious liar. And I do understand that that is not how you view the situation, but you should at least be able to understand that that's how I view it. Surely you're not that deluded?

go ahead and argue something instead of making a claim, wanted levels punish you by making the game harder

Mr. Murakami. That's an unusual name for a farmer from Ohio. Have you always lived there?

What they would actually see is me raising the point that your view of video games is hopelessly reductionistic and you failing to address it at any point and just resorting to repeating yourself and declaring yourself the winner.

I too love playing Grand Theft Auto, the law abiding citizen simulator that disincentivises you from breaking the law through its game mechanics.

no, lies are known untruths communicated intentionally for the purposes of deception
classical mechanics is not a collection of lies, even though it does not represent the true nature of motion in our universe

just because the player has a degree of autonomy doesn't mean the game actively direct the player to do certain things, you also still haven't argue the point but whatever im done with this gay thread

GO WOKE, GO BROKE.
>GAWKER MEDIA
BTFO AND LOSING ALL MONEY,
AIN'T WORTH SHIT,
NOBODY WANTS TO BUY IT,
IT'S SELLING UNDERVALUED,
THE SJW GARBAGE IS BEING FIRED
>UNIVISION COMMUNICATIONS WHICH BOUGHT GAWKER DOGSHIT
>FUSION MEDIA GROUP
>Deadspin, Gizmodo/io9, Jalopnik, Jezebel, Kotaku, Lifehacker, Splinter
BTFO AND LOSING ALL MONEY,
AIN'T WORTH SHIT,
NOBODY WANTS TO BUY IT,
IT'S SELLING UNDERVALUED,
THE SJW GARBAGE IS BEING FIRED
>SALON MEDIA GROUP
>worth 1.5 Billion in 2006
BTFO AND LOSING ALL MONEY,
AIN'T WORTH SHIT,
NOBODY WANTS TO BUY IT,
IT'S SELLING UNDERVALUED,
THE SJW GARBAGE IS BEING FIRED
>NeoGAF
IN THE YEAR OF 2017,
SJW's INFESTED THIS BIN
CORRUPT SMEAR MERCHANT "JOURNALISTS", PEDOPHILE MODS,
AND FINALLY A RAPIST "FEMINIST" ADMIN,
DOWN WENT THE SHIP OF SJW FAMINE
>VOX MEDIA
>The Verge, Vox, Polygon, Curbed, Eater, SB Natio
BTFO AND ALWAYS LEAKING MONEY,
'1%' INVESTORS DESPERATELY INJECTING HONEY,
EMPLOYEES DOING WALKOUTS, LAYOFFS, WHINING
THAT'S WHAT YOU GET WITH SJW FAMINE
>ThinkProgress
AMONG THE TOP THIS PROGRESSIVE DUMP ONCE WAS,
ITS FINANCES COLLAPSING FROM THE CONSTANT BRAWLS
SJW's SEETHING, INVESTORS KEEP BLEEDING,
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You literally don't understand game design because you literally just argued that GTA is a game about not breaking the law. Giving the player a degree of autonomy is in fact meaningful. The ways the devs let you interact with the world are meaningful. The things they put in the world are meaningful.

Oh, very well. I will admit that you were simply wrong then.

>alright gotta just going to park this car into my garage
>bumps into police car
>oh shit
>10 minutes wasted and a car you wanted destroyed.
There are times when its fun but you can't say its not disincentive

yes, anything that increases your risk of failure is a disincentive. much in the way that being publicly shamed for being a homosexual disincentivizes public performances of homosexuality, but does not necessarily stop them. scoring and publicly posting academic achievement similarly incentivizes investment in learning, but does not guarantee that everyone will do so.

>I don’t believe in nationalism
So you don't believe black slaves should have a right to a sovereign nation following their independence from slavery and newfound freedom on Earth? Guess you are a racist dumbshit then.

but that would be a lie

>much in the way that being publicly shamed for being a homosexual disincentivizes public performances of homosexuality, but does not necessarily stop them
huh, it's almost as if there is something else that incentivises it to counteract the disincentive of social shame

pretty sure you believe in all three of those things

That is doubly wrong, though I hesitate to call it a lie ;^)

yes a myriad of mental illnesses in your case

Being a bad-faith debater. Yeah I see it all the time as well. Shills pretend not to see completely obvious trends.

i'm glad that we are in agreement that my statement is correct

You misinterpret my words. I suspect intentionally.

maybe you should ask yourself why someone would misinterpret your words and do better

Probably because they're dishonest shitters wasting my time innit

Or are you suggesting I was unclear? When I said "doubly wrong" it wasn't to imply a double negative, but to say that it was wrong in two ways. You are, of course, wrong in asserting that my statement was false, but even if it had been, you would still have been wrong in asserting that it was intentionally false. We'd literally just been over it.

For the record the thing you're wrong about is irony.

Those aren't mutually exclusive positions. Stop falling for the meme that "fascism" is a blanket umbrella term for "mean bad meaniehead" because that's exactly the same way that SJWs and Antifa argue. It is an ideology consisting of a variety of policy positions that are all quite specific and objective. You can be authoritarian without being fascist, just as a shape can be a quadrilateral without being a rectangle.

tl;dr stop using words wrong nigger

Just like Polygon and their lies and justifications. Truly we have come full circle

it looks like we are back to you not understanding what a lie is again. you can only claim that calling you a liar is untrue. there is no secondary way in which that claim can be false. therefore you are in fact saying that it is true.
you also don't know what irony is, and you could have looked it up during any part of this discussion, so i am going to assume that you are either too lazy to educate yourself or are intentionally deceptive.

>there is no secondary way in which that claim can be false
I literally just explained it to you, dude. We just established that a lie must not only be a falsehood, but an intentionally made falsehood, and since my statement meets neither of those conditions, calling it a lie is wrong in two ways. It is doubly wrong. How much wronger do you intend to be? You still haven't specified exactly how you disagree on my assessment of the irony of the situation, though I have already explained that as well. That's another area for you to be wrong in. Go ahead, give it a shot.

no, user, you are completely mistaken in your understanding of irony and all you have done is doubly negate the conjunction. at this point it's clear that you are just a liar.

If there's a "trend" you should probably at least be able to find more than one article (that you misrepresent) though.

Wrong, and wrong, and furthermore you are not even attempting to justify your statements or refute my points. "Doubly negate the conjunction"? Doesn't even work like that. Good faith prevents me from outright calling you a liar but I must say I have my suspicions.

He's right homo. In the justice courts all around the world, in the justice system itself, Lying and Deceiving are two separate categories. Lying requires proving malicious intent. Only Deceit gets treated with the duality of intention and relativity. All this masturbation from both of you faggots was pointless e-jerking.

there is truly a nuanced and persuasive interpretation of all of the millennial communications major diarrhea that has permeated the poorly paid blogosphere for 7 years or so

>All this masturbation from both of you faggots was pointless e-jerking.
I don't think either of us was under the delusion that it was anything else.

you aren't making any points. you are just reiterating false assertions in defense of your mischaracterization of literary form. you are a detestable wanker.

on the contrary, this is an extremely important discussion between myself and an abject fraud.