Why did Kirby turn into such a "'MEMBER THING??" franchise?

I would argue the opposite. Robobot's references were mostly just a thing from before doing the exact same thing as before.
Star Allies, on the other hand, brought back characters as Dream Friends, the kind of reinvention the series needed for its side characters.

Kirby feels alot like Sonic. They have a bunch of nostalgic set pieces which they reuse on occasion. Some of the more niche stuff stuff is welcomed but then you get the same old Green Greens/Green Hill Zone and the same old Whispy Woods / Dr Robotnik bosses and makes you wonder.

Kirby does new set pieces but because they've stayed 2D for so long, it feels stale.

Sonic tries new stuff and just fucking suffers everytime due to their ideas sucking.

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This is not done well. A great fight regardless but its lousy in a lore sense.
This hits every stride it possibly can.

How is it lazy, it establishes that Dark Matter is never ending and that Kirby might be a descended form of it.

woops left my trip on

>but its lousy in a lore sense.
It's literally everything people were hoping Star Allies would do, short of actually calling it Zero3.

that's a straight up lie

Maybe saying lousy in a lore sense wasn't the right idea.
I don't know, it's just that I didn't find the experience reaching and defeating Void is nowhere as fun as Star Dream. Saying that Void is the progenitor source of Dark Matter and maybe even Kirby is a neat idea, but it feels like that narrative was tacked on to elevate Void as the biggest bad yet instead being a simple addition, not just another final boss. The concept is fine, the boss is fine too (I'd even say final form Void Ex is the best boss to fight gameplay wise, its just the gameplay reaching it (aside from Heroes from Another Dimension) that doesn't do it justice.

Fuck it. Lets turn this into a general Kirby thread.

I loved the Heroes in Another Dimension campaign. Even if this was DLC, I love this trope of "hiding a tougher, changed up game mode within the game".
And the new tracks are banging.
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Ah okay I understand what you mean now

Void does the "final boss theme is a remix of the first stage theme" thing so it's automatically kino.

>I didn't find the experience reaching and defeating Void is nowhere as fun as Star Dream.
Probably because Void being related to Dark Matter was hinted at throughout the whole game. People were picking up the signs before the game was even released.
Star Dream was crazier because nobody saw it coming. It was a legitimate plot twist.

>Sonic
>Referencing niche stuff

outside of Mania and supplementary material like the comics, this doesn't happen

you really think someone would do that?
just go on the internet and tell lies?

This. People are VASTLY underestimating how much of a shake-up the Dream Friends ended up being.

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I agree, but Magolor, Sectonia, and Star Dream all have Green Greens mixed into their fight themes, albeit more subtle.

I'm getting really sick of kirby games having about 7 worlds and then having more than half of the bosses be the exact same 4 ones that they keep putting in every game

But Robobot played it so cool with Clanky Woods and the Dedede clones.

since the second game since it had a call back to the first game.

Do Yea Forumsermin not understand the concept of quantity?
>this game had a single reference to an earlier one, so it's okay for that game to be loaded with references to earlier games

Those should have just been their own thing

Well duh, it could only have a single refrence because there had only been one other game at that point.

Real talk. Having that song turn into a somber remix really did give me some weird nostalgia for Darksouls.

Most of the songs in KSA used the Green Greens theme to the point of it being tiresome, though.

all the fights at least have phases that are new. straight rehashes in Robobot were like the API Kracko and Coilly Rattler, the Dedede phase of the clones, and Haltmann just being a harder version of Susie

It was probably a mistake to not have them all in from the start, they should have been more integral to the main game
They were at least smart about it and released a short campaign that has you play as all of them, as well as a harder EX arena

Yeah but using the 8 bit song was kino

Kirby has always been indulgent. Whether you like it or not is up to the individual. In this case, seeing Shimomura's characters in a modern game makes me happy. A good balance of classic Kirby and Super Star Kirby.

Is Dedede still a Hammer clone or did they finally port his Smash moveset over like they should have since Brawl's release?

>I 'member
Most cringeworthy meme ever

he's Hammer but with the puff air shot, Dedede faceplant and Dedede jump added. He also does 1.25x the damage Kirby's or Bonker's hammer would do, like the other dream friends.

>port his Smash moveset over like they should have
Ew, why would you want Smash Dedede in a Kirby game when he's capable of doing way more?

Then use his boss move set, I don't care anymore as long as he's no longer an Hammer clone.

borb

As fun as they are, I kinda dislike how they are so vastly better than Kirby and any of the abilities he may get.
After playing hours upon hours of the Arena and Guest Star and realizing it's been ages since I played as Kirby in a Kirby game, it just feels wrong.

Maybe as a way to address this, they could have dropped the Smash ability at the end of the DLCs. And maybe for the next game, they could make "Super" versions of the abilities so Kirby can keep up with his friends.

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I hope they'll tone down the lore for the next game. I enjoyed the lore in TD and PR but SA went a bit too far with it
>hey guys guess what Kirby is actually an eldritch abomination, decended from a god and related to Dark Matter
>one of the bosses has attempted suicide in her backstory
>Zero is back, gotta link everything back to Zero
Feels like I'm watching some kid argue why the Kirby series is actually totally dark and edgy. I liked a lot of the vaguely horrifying stuff around Haltmann and his soul being deleted, but that shit was relatively subtle in its execution compared to this

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to say nothing of "cringe", eh

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Is it really? It's an optional pause screen description from an extra boss.
Compared to that, even Crystal Shards was way edgier with the implication that life on planet Earth came to an end due to pollution, and all that's left are machines of war.

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