Only 4 classes viable

please do it anyway

what 4 classes are viable

enjoy everyone being warrior, rogue, mage LOL

I won't because everybody who mattered already earned their victories in vanilla and anyone who think they're earning anything now is a larping faggot with a guide on his second monitor, a streamer shoving pizza up his nose on his third monitor and a donation ready on his fourth monitor fucking zoomer faggots

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>vanilla pvp

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Theresa a grand total of one relevant EU streamer in Forsen, and he's a variety streamer who'll move on in 2 weeks tops.
It's the Americans who have to worry about the streamer menace.

What about warlock?

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I do wonder what the motivation behind those anti classic threads is. Maybe it will suck, maybe it will succeed, maybe it will be decent fun for nostalgic reasons and soon fade away.
But who even has a horse in this race? Are salty retail fags responsible? Whats with these demoralization attempts?

>le everyboy earned their victories meme
fuck off dude there are enough ENOUGH people who never stepped a foot in naxx or got rank 14 probably 99% of the player base please stop being mad that people enjoy something.

based
kino
soul

Who here taking the felpill?

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>not being a healslut and berating your team

100% retail fags collect fags fear everything they did over the years will be complete useless and then you have normal fags who would love to play classic but have 1-2 children and a wife and hate their life.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
Btw, does anyone know what realm Forsen's rolling on so I know what to avoid ?

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Enhancement shaman

>Voidheart
No, this isn't HOME.

who the fuck wants to grind in a game that yields no reward? There is no progress the game will be dead in a year and you spent your time and money on a dead game

healers in classic are not like today in WoW, you are not invincible who can hold off 5 people while full hp and mana. If you heal in classic you will die to a rogue in 2 sec.

Classicfags are worse than smashfags and need to commit rope. Jannies ignore threads that grow to 400+, filthy niggers.

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the fun will be the reward

Ele is far more fun and viable than Enh in PvP, though.
31/0/20 or 30/0/21 can burst 1/2 hp from a geared flag carrier without crits in two/three (depending on final talent) globals while still putting out great heals.

>spending time and fun on something is bad
>b-bbut it's dead and all the stuff you collect will be irrelevant

thats how I can tell your either a final fantasy cuck or a retail retard.

>layering worse than in retail
I mean, considering BFA does not have layering, i suppose it would be. But you don't actually know what the word mean anyway. You just spout fotm memes like the twitch trash you say you hate so much.

This kills the zoom zoom

Let me tell you a little secret. Unless you are a twitch thot or a pro gamer, there is no ulterior reward for playing any video game.

The point is to enjoy playing it.

>chain + shock double crit

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I mean someone has to farm 200 soul shards before every raid so you can summon in and make health stones for all the classes doing the actual work.

I doubt he is going to play on a pvp server, since his orbiters aren't the kind of people who autistically follow his orders for good boy points. He also doesn't give a fuck about the endgame so no worries there.

>the fun will be the reward
hardly. streamer community, right click reporting, layering past starting zones, sjw/lgbt community, blizzard listening to streamers who have never played vanilla etc.

I'm not even 1% mad I'll enjoy the thought of original vanilla players who had to trial and error their way to the top with their bros and earn their achievement while you newfags will pull up a min max guide and walkthrough with a dozen addons telling you what to do in every raid
It's not the same as vanilla, it will never be the same, you won't ever experience true vanilla, only a carbon copy reproduced by incompetent devs who can't even sustain a single realm player server with multibillondollar franchise profits at their disposal
cope and seethe in other words zoomy

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>people fear somebody like assmongo who wipes on normal raids
>they don't fear guildes like method and legit p-server who will rape everybody in pvp

Why?

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There was a discussion the other day in beta elywen forest chat over whether niggers are people or not. The community is fine, we're going home.

who will play with Asmond or Staysafe?

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>you won't ever experience true vanilla
I don't need to I played during vanilla you nigger stay butthurt honestly you a really retarded if you think most player will be below 25 years old.

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Enha is the opposite of fun in pvp. It goes oom even harder than ele, can't reach anyone ever and gets kited harder than warriors, dies in two seconds to everything because zero defense and has no hard cc.
Oneshotting some shitter who is bad enough to get in melee range gives you a chuckle, but the overall experience is just dull.

The following horde of zoomers behind him. Cancer is the reason I will not touch this shit and the fact that blizz DOES NOT get any more of my fucking money.

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they don't fear his skill they feel that he'll generally disrupt gameplay for everyone else in the server they're in

health stones suck dick in vanilla, only tanks might want one unless you are doing naxx

then go to other server, there are plenty

Warlocks are absolute god tier in pvp. The only class you could possibly say is better is warrior, and they need pocket healers

Who the fuck cares about achievements? If you have a fun group that progresses through the fights, and have a good time, who cares about anything else? Classic is great at this because it still follows the design philosophies of old MMOs, where finding a group was a minor accomplishment in itself.

>turkroaches massing on one server
>spanish on the other

I took the RPPvP pill.

>ally trannies trying to cope when your sham and firelock hit the flag carrier at the same time
muh blessing of freedumb

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>we're going home.
mate you dont know what home is. wish i was as blissful as you are. pic related

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>other
>server

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>plenty of other streamers ftfy

I have no idea what you are trying to say. That games are random nonsense that makes no sense?

That's....that's what people's plan is

nice numbers in the image, if it was actually yours it wouldn't be Yea Forums encoded
imagine never playing vanilla and also pretending to have played it by posting an image that isn't from your account made in 2010 when you first installed WoW to play cataclysm
cope seethe and I'll even throw a dilate since I know that's a hip thing you faggot kids are into today

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Do humans make good locks?

The fuck happened to get to this point, Blizzards failure or the resent focus on remakes/remasters?

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That's what people already are wanting to do you absolute ignorant fool
he won't say what server he's playing on yet, though.

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Or Hunter, or Warlock, or Paladin. All of those were heaps of fun in PvP.

Druid was good too and Enhance Shaman is great at lower gear levels.

nah i meant that you are homesick for a place that doesnt exist anymore no matter the branding. tho i do wish you the best of joy in playing classic even tho the game wont be what everyone dreamed.

g invite spammers will be the same you won't have any trouble finding people in the game
your raid leader will use walkthroughs and probably kick anyone who doesn't have the addons or walkthrough open on 2nd monitor
there will be no bonding or hardship attained because speedrunners will have finished all the content in the game before the end of the first month
you missed your chance at relevancy 13 years too late and classic will the be first gravestone for blizzards inevitable death in the coming decade

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>Alliance
>Warlock

Lolno.

Warlock is Horde only. Choose that for Alliance and you'd better be on a PvE server.

This.

Oh, so you posted the wrong image by mistake.

Every class is better on horde side. Why do you think all the zoomers are rolling horde? It's fucking easymode. They get everything handed to them while alliance has to work for it.

All classes are viable you idiots, just a few specs won't be

Meanwhile, there is pretty much no Locks or DK's in Mythic + high level, BFA's balance is arguably worse

>if it makes sense to announce it early I will
but it already makes sense to do so. what a nigger

I AM GOING TO GIVE OUT A STEAM KEY FOR HAT IN TIME IF SOMEONE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE A SERPENT STING/VIPER STING MACRO

I want the macro to work like this: Viper sting the target if it has mana, Serpent Sting if it doesnt

I can't figure this shit out

nah it was the right one. it was meant to show you how invested i was at the time of vanilla and tbc and how much of memories are in the pic related and even with all that i wont be touching classic since i know it will be a far cry of what vanilla was tho probably im one of the most potential costumers.

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What reason is there that the guides from a decade ago weren't already standing by for use?

Classic was something i kind of never wanted back after TBC (mainly because both the quality of raids and overall content for raiders took a giant leap forward)

I cleared pretty much all of the content in Vanilla (we got stuck on Sapphiron due to a tank leaving and some of our members were lacking in Frost resistance) and i've got no want to go back to those days.

You had absolutely shit encounters with arbitrary class and gear gating (like Huhuran, Viscidus, Ragnaros etc etc.) and most of them had amazingly simple mechanics. In comparison, pretty much all tiers of TBC were phenomenal, dungeon group content took a big injection of escaping irrelevancy due to Heroics being introduced and plenty more.

Anyone who HONESTLY wants to go back to vanilla days plays for nostalgia goggles alone. The game had growing pains, it had some absolutely horrible issues in terms of raid content and pacing, along with most of said content and world content being an absolute chore to play through.

All the people who are going back for Classic are people who started in Wrath (all i've talked to) who never played during the early days and the rest that did play in our old guild agree that Classic will be by far the biggest containtment zone for idiots and that's good, they'll stay off other games and their communities will grow healthier as a result.

Classic, not even once.

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I hate this place.

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Yes, I played ally lock in vanilla and it was fine. WotF is annoying, but you learn to play around it and locks are good enough to shit on people without fear spam.
Paladins are significantly better than Shamans, especially in PvE. Test of Skulls is way more of a pain in the ass than the candy ass ally ony attune

>I'm not even 1% mad I'll enjoy the thought of original vanilla players who had to trial and error their way to the top with their bros and earn their achievement while you newfags will pull up a min max guide and walkthrough with a dozen addons telling you what to do in every raid

I played Vanilla. I was in a top guild on my server, we got the server 2nd C'Thun kill and had about half of Naxx on farm before everything broke up with the PvP patch and TBC stuff.

>We used dozens of addons, way more than you use now and for a LOT of classic they were way more powerful. Decursive used to literally just do your healers job for them, nevermind Healbot or Pallybuddy
>Only the uber-Death n Taxes type guilds did only trial and error stuff. Yes guilds were secretive about their raid strategies early on, but things leaked out. Ragnaros and BWL bosses were basically open secrets, you could find sites with their strats with just a google search if you knew where to look and by the time AQ40 came out everything was completely detailed
>The meme in ye olde days was that until AQ40 and Naxx, half your raid was literally on /follow and AFK and it didn't matter at all.
>Until I quit in Cata, Raids were way harder in modern WoW than anything in Vanilla
>TBC was the best expansion

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>NOOOOOOOOOOO IT'S NOT YOUR ACCOUNT REEEEEEEE
holy fuck dude seek help

>Announce server so we dont have to play with you
>"No i cant do that or people will steal my name"
>Implying people wont steal his name anyways when there are 8 servers and he has endless army of zoomers and haterzooms
How fucking brainlet is he?

No because people will take his name.

>assuming the paid talent will not be coddled by blizz
Everyone.
They need the rope.

>He doesnt know how to put his whole rotation into one button as huntard
lol

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>He doesnt know how to put his whole rotation into one button as huntard
Impressive

You're absolutely correct for PvP, it's disgusting how overpowered the Horde PvP racials are.
Anytime I think about going back to Vanilla I just remember that Orcs have a native 25% stun resistance and I put that thought aside.

On the other hand Alliance had Paladins which made PvE way more fun, sucks to be Horde when they have to constantly manage threat and other bullshit, nevermind BoK for progression tanking.

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>faction arguments

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>implying people won't take his name on every server

I've played on private servers enough to know that the nostalgia goggle argument is total shit. The resist gear fights aren't bad to gear for if you know they are coming.
I do agree BC is better and I'm super excited if in a couple years they give me the option to copy my character over to a BC server, but Vanilla also has upsides.

>I played Vanilla. I was in a top guild on my server, we got the server 2nd C'Thun kill and had about half of Naxx on farm before everything broke up with the PvP patch and TBC stuff.
I've seen this shitpost in these garbage home threads you're nothing but a larping nigger now go and donate to your favorite streamer so he makes you feel relevant in the community for 5 seconds before you get outreacted by some retard with the name poopsniffer420 and the chat laughs at his donation more than your suicide note

Reminder: Vanilla WoW is World of Roguecraft. You can't ever go wrong playing one.

>he was never on the bleeding edge of WoW progression
Pushing new dungeons in PTR and figuring shit out with your guild with no guides available, only rumored strats that other guilds were using was the most engaging gameplay I've ever experienced

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Everyone in Method?

>bc baby who played at the end of vanilla think it was shit

lmao bc was the worst expansion fuck druids and wl alone made that expansion unplayable.

>Why do you think all the zoomers are rolling horde?
They're rolling alliance for crusader memes, and because Asmongold is an Alliance player.

I'd rather play a class that can do well without having to wait ten minutes between fights.

>Queue up for my group in the LFG Tool!
curseforge.com/wow/addons/classiclfg
>i will only accept meta classes though
>will not accept anyone below 2k dilation score

>You had absolutely shit encounters with arbitrary class and gear gating (like Huhuran, Viscidus, Ragnaros etc etc.) and most of them had amazingly simple mechanics. In comparison, pretty much all tiers of TBC were phenomenal, dungeon group content took a big injection of escaping irrelevancy due to Heroics being introduced and plenty more.

Agreed, except TBC was willing to just completely and shamelessly waste your fucking time too.

>Kael takes literally 15minutes of unskippable cutscene before you can fight him, every single fucking attempt
>Those stupid fucking resistance farms, again
>Those blatantly ridiculous attunement quests, again
>Later attunment became so fucking stupid that top guilds just poached from lower guilds, which poached from middle guilds all the way down. If you were a tank and attuned, you could basically walk into any top tier guild
>People changing servers for the Legendary

etc

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>Mfw i almost never used poisons in vanilla because i felt like they just wasted space in my bags
Being a brainlet 12y old was fun, i wonder if this kind of retardation will be unseen due to the massive amount of guides and muh meta.

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There are two kinds of people that are gonna hate it. The people that are gonna lose playerbase from their online mmo. Warframe, poe, ffxiv, etc. The second type of person are the ones who hate it because they tried out retail and are upset that their playerbase is gonna shrink.

>mfw having to attune someone new every other week

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Early TBC was amazing, i loved how fucking unapologetically hardcore it was

When they nerfed the attunements 6 months later, WoW went down a dark path of nerfs & quality of life changes

If you're talking about a year ago or so when I used to participate in those threads then that was probably me.

Ceria, Dark Iron, Alliance. Part of the PAA Alliance guilds, raided with the raid team that later became "Flavour Country."

We killed C'Thun every week but only ever managed to kill Ouro once, because holy fuck that fight sucked. Other tanks aside from me were Parrog, Machetephil, Kirsh, etc. The tank channel we used was something related to beartanking, etc.

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okay now read this carefully: I am not defending this addict

but you cant have both
argue, that streamers cant do shit against people sniping/ganking/claiming "their" names
and at the same time
argue that he has to announce what server he plays on, because he owes anyone anything

I get the idea of trying to avoid him
but arguing you want him to announce it because you dont want to reserve "your" names on the wrong realm and then shitting on him because he cares for "his" names is kinda shizo

they changed the macro system the neo wow client

>fun
>right click to report
yeah no

you larping as some faggot youtuber does not make you that youtuber

Warrior with pocket healer is the strongest class PvP-wise from Vanilla all the way up to Cata or Mog. They even crush other classes with their own pocket healers.

All these newfags/baddies not knowing that Shadow Priest is the best PvP spec

wtf im a retail bvll now

I've been running around the stress test as a level 15 horde in Westfall for days now having a blast. Fuck off zoom zoom

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>this entire thread
seems like retail cucks are super mad right now.

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Wtf? So i have to press TWO buttons now? Fuck this shit.

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All classes are viable in pvp, and pvp is all that matters.

He's someone who garners a lot of viewers who will in turn follow him around on the same server trying to get noticed by him. Him not announcing which server he will play on then forces people to try to take his name on every server possible. People also don't want to play on the server he will be playing on due to the mass amount of retards following one guy who can skew a server's economy in his favor.

why should i have to when i can just macro it

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Who /whitemane/ here? Are you ready to play on the OFFICIAL mommy server?

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>holy fuck dude seek help
follow your own advise if you are actually entrusting nublizz to give you a good experience
they can't even make a competent server 13 years later with at least 100x the performance of hardware back then
I'm convinced the only community going into classic are streamers who started in wotlk and zoomers who started in cata and want that cred saying they beat cthun even though they installed 200 helper addons and had walkthroughs open on another window and probably a few blanket nerfs across the board cause playtesters in house are probably MoP vets who have no idea what a rotation is

I never ever used anything other than Instant Poison because the other ones didn't do any damage, and I wouldn't be able to use Gouge with Deadly Poison.

I also only ever used Backstab/Sinster strike and Eviscerate and didn't care much about hit. Raided all content in the game when it was relevant though.

All these anecdotes and conjecture ITT are pure autistic screeching. Nobody fucking cares about your optimal raid progression autism. Nobody on private servers cared that it was a "solved game." Even the optimization faggots had fun with it. It still recaptured the sense of community, the non-linear leveling that actually took effort, and the dynamic PvP.
Blizzard ruined Classic with layering, (which is never going away so shut the fuck up) jank reverse engineering on their modern engine, and awful decisions like 1.12 AV. The problem has fucking nothing to do with Vanilla content. If it was just Nostalrius with official support it would be amazing. Go back to your soulless korean grind on BfA and XIV instead of spewing patent bullshit here.

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The developers were still learning, but attunements and server first races began to really shadow the game after T5 desu. Vashj was an absolute shitshow before the nerfs and a lot of other encounters had problems too, but the differences still remained drastic enough to warrant atleast seeing them through. I never experienced such a massive burnout i did during late Classic in TBC and i kind of went into Wrath expecting a lot of the things they learned during TBC to stick a little bit.

What we got instead was all of the game's major content being cleared within 48 hours and the most disappointing expansion on the path of disappointing expansions that started the downfall.

Feel free to go fuck yourself.

(I was never a youtuber you fucking retard. I'm giving my experience from Vanilla, of which I was a top raider and PvPer)

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Dude relax incel lmao

you underestimate the relevancy of WoW classic amongst streamer cancer
90% of the community will be stream watchers and the rest will be curious vets to see if they faithfully reproduced the game, play for a month and quit because there is no content in vanilla that hasn't been steamrolled already
there is nothing new to figure out in classic, it's just a shitty private server with phasing

>actually bothering to prove yourself against LARP accusations on any topic
Don't bother, it's a losing battle my dude.

>Being a brainlet 12y old was fun, i wonder if this kind of retardation will be unseen due to the massive amount of guides and muh meta.

The ultimate brainlet was always, ALWAYS the SL/SL Warlocks in TBC.

They were so insanely, ridiculously dominant that everyone knew they were overpowered and yet every single one of them had their fucking Felhunter silence on Autocast. I remember seeing videos and screenshots of 2200+ Warlocks with their Felhunter autocasting silence.

>I'm giving my experience from Vanilla, of which I was a top raider and PvPer)
yeah me too
also look at all that money wasted and now you're going back to a worse version of vanilla I can't imagine being you

it normaly shuts their mouth when you upload a pic with a character of which they dont recognize half of the inventory.

>Consider playing Vanilla again
>Remember that Warriors can't get rage on shields

Fucking hell that was infuriating. I'm never going back to that.

imagine samefagging to defend your larp that's really something else, cata zoomer

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>also look at all that money wasted and now you're going back to a worse version of vanilla I can't imagine being you

No I'm not, I quit WoW a long time ago, I've never played on private servers and I'm not planning on playing Classic. I was only correcting someone's (your?) dumb misconceptions about Vanilla raiding. We used a tonne of adons, we followed guides, and until AQ40 half the raid was braindead or AFK.

I still remember my raid leader talking to me about one of our healers, "Yeah she throws a heal or two between whispers most of the time."

>I played private servers I know what true vanilla was back in the day I was a top pvper and pveer in a russian private server with 30 population on a weekend

You've already lost the argument when you can't defend anything against a screenshot literally showing a subscription from 2005.

I hope for his sake if he actually wants to play a game he has an alt

LAPTOPS ALL OF YOU

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The thing about us /classicbulls/ is that we've had sex. We balance out the autism on this board with real life experiences that the zoomers and incels here haven't had yet. Without us, this place would just be virgins screaming at each other about console wars and, jerking off together in feet threads. So when a rowdy incel gets off his leash, you just gotta put him in his place and send him back to his tranny infested ff14 threads.

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Is there any info regarding server location within the us? I want to pick the closes to me but I’ve read that even servers with eastern time could be hosted from California

I should still have my old screenshots around somewhere. Wanna see my screenshot of my guild celebrating on Nefarian's corpse?

>No I'm not, I quit WoW a long time ago, I've never played on private servers and I'm not planning on playing Classic. I was only correcting someone's (your?) dumb misconceptions about Vanilla raiding. We used a tonne of adons, we followed guides, and until AQ40 half the raid was braindead or AFK.
>I still remember my raid leader talking to me about one of our healers, "Yeah she throws a heal or two between whispers most of the time."
then why are you in these threads shilling classic your story really doesn't line up larping nigger

im not the guy from Dark Iron who uploaded sub payments tho i did upload some other stuff related to vanilla and tbc. for obvious reasons names are covered.

Why are you in the thread then? You're the one who started claiming to know what Vanilla was like when you've obviously never played it.

Layering and streamers already ruined it

Meant for

any braindead child could make a document like that are you fucking stupid?

Yeah, but literal potato in pve and healing classes are shoehorned due to set bonuses.

Wait what’s that?

Go ahead and make one then, I'll be waiting. You're pretty clearly not familiar with Vanilla for someone who likes to talk about it.

How, you don’t need to join the retarded asmon train wherever it goes
I saw him and his goons twice during beta but they just ran through zones, leaving everyone to their questing
What worries me is if he shits server economy

>It's just nostalg-

youtube.com/watch?v=TiIBg3yzkiY

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>What worries me is if he shits server economy
that follows under
>generally disrupt gameplay

do it

Too bad it's not Nostalrius because Blizzard is literally retarded.

I don't waste money on that software like I won't be wasting money on nublizz garbage for retards like yourself
you say you won't be buying into classic but we both know that's a lie
larpers really want to be known as someone important so you'll spend about 6 months trying to be top raider and fail because the playerbase will be dead on the 2nd month then you'll go back to shitposting how you were top raider on real vanilla wow once classic shills commit suicide

imagine living in the past. it's time to move on user

Shadow Priest is the best 1v1 spec. Those mana issues become really apparent in group pvp. Spriest is the only class/spec where I would argue that engineering isn't the most important pvp profession, and that alchemy is 100% more important, because your wallet will become a black hole with all the gold you would have to spend on potions that you absolutely need.

I want to since it’s in my time zone, but I’m afraid it will be located on Los Angeles like some other servers with eastern time zone

Why would you even take the time to give a shit?
Anything he "suffers" is completely self-inflicted.
It's called justice, and he deserves more than what he'll get.

because I like humans

This will be the most glorious trainwreck of our time

Too bad nostalrius is the reason we even got Classic.

lurk more. most of these are gone now anyway it seems

I'd day dilate, but you're probably just a fag enabler and not a fag.

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everybody should go back to nostalrius once they get a hand on a replicated vanilla patch perfectly
there is literally no reason to give nublizz any money when they can't even run a realm properly without sharting or phasing whatever the damage control retards call it

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and i'd say hello human

can i get a source please
i've searched and I cant find anything.

ally > pve
Horde > pvp
Class wise
Horde has better PvE races save for Priest racial spells

>there is literally no reason to give nublizz any money when they can't even run a realm properly without sharting or phasing whatever the damage control retards call it

You can go to your dead private server if you want, while everyone else is on Classic. I hope you enjoy your characters being wiped when the server owners receive the inevitable DMCA.

>still believing in the spriest meme
Warlocks and ele shamans are better at 1v1

That's what's so confusing and maddening. Blizzard called the Nost devs into their offices before shutting it down. It was obviously connected to Classic. They could have straight up lifted the code from the Nost servers, instead of the stupid fucking spaghetti code they're doing now. How the absolute fuck do they fuck up something so simple

Were you raised by a single mother, by chance?

Man you're really sensitive for someone who entered this thread spouting things you were sure were super true about Vanilla.

I'm not gonna play Classic, I've gotten over all that. Being a top raider in Vanilla isn't super duper important to me, it's been a long, long time since then, I barely think about WoW anymore- I only mentioned it because you were spouting random bullshit and I thought I'd be kind enough to correct you.

boku no pico

you still posting washed up catafag larper?

Not without green fire

Mangos is way shittier than what we have now.

p-please user, a man needs a fap.

>Still calling someone a larper
>After getting BTFO every single post

Amusing, but pathetic.

>rocket helm, reflectors, rocket boots, and 'nades aren't important on an Spriest
Okay fren.

When zoomers that didn't play vanilla encounter their first good elesham the tears will overflow.
2H Windfury being an EPIC MEME from epic unbalanced old days SULFURAS ONE SHOT???? :O :joy: :ok_hand: has made the strongest spec in the game (3X/0/2X) somehow fall into obscurity.

The spaghetti code is what the Nost devs were dealing with, you ignorant retard. Outdated code combined with literally thousands of values in the game that simply had to be GUESSED is what Nostalrius was. Why the fuck would you want that over Blizzard themselves reproducing the actual 1.12 game from back then?

How are they a meme? Also I wouldnt agree, especially not without gear which spriest doesnt need

>calling your own posts BTFO
that's a new level of samefag cringe I've not experience in a while

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Why don't you prove you're not a LARPer yourself?

Go ahead and tell us where raiders got their BWL strats from in the early days of Vanilla, before the AQ patch. What was the big repository?

>being this new

would really love to see some proof of you being in vanilla? any downed bosses or char pics? you should have some around or just log in and make pics.

>Y-You're a larper
>Despite having period specific knowledge of Vanilla
>And having literally proof you played the game in 2005
>S-Still a larper! I h-haven't been BTFO!

Amusing, but pathetic.

cringe paypig addicted retard

Do people actually hold the constant retarded opinions being held or are they just baiting for the 1 or 2 (you)s they might get. People have admitted to trolling before but it's been so constant from so many posters with such low reward even though they're all arguments that can be BTFO from a couple sentences or just "wait and see" It's kind of creepy because it doesn't make any sense from either the perspective of legitimacy or maliciousness. I blame underageB& since they aren't actually human yet.

Blizzard is reproducing it on the Legion engine. It's a much, much bigger disconnect from the original than what the Nost devs were using, hence the jank holdovers that make the game feel completely wrong. The "outdated" code would be a much more accurate starting point.

I've seen it before I just forgot the title c'mon man dont be ass.

Because Blizzard are hilariously incompetent and the direction of wow the last 13 years is quite indicative of that.

Scripting was sufficient on Nost. The primary issue there was the chinks not being region locked because half of the frogs that ran the servers were "rafugee welcum :)" and the other half were engaged in gold-selling rings with the chinks.
Draw distance was horrible, the economy was destroyed, and trade chat was filled with blankposting from the insectoids whose runes couldn't even be rendered in an English 1.12 client.

Gotta fill the day with something for the next 15 days

>poopsocking a 15 year old game

No thanks.

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End of the week molten core will be on farm for the first guilds
A month in and classic servers are smaller versions of the patchbound playstyle as people come for "new" content

>spoonfeeding

Proof here: My old screenshots are on a now dead HDD and going through old forum posts they were uploaded to Imagebucket and Tinypic, both of which give dead links if you follow the links back.

Ceria, Dark Iron, -> , lv60 Warrior 31/3/17 generally and Prot/Fury for hybrid tanking in endgame raids. Go ahead and ask me anything period specific about WoW if you're so concerned.

>End of the week molten core will be on farm for the first guilds
You can't kill Rag for weeks you faggot

you've got the receipt summary of your vanilla playtime apparently and can't even post a pic of your characters

you post that you're a top raider and pvper 13 years ago and you just happened to be in this shitposting thread and yet you're not a classic shill what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

Of course they are, but potions are more important in my opinion. Aside from having an entire backpack full of mp pots, Spriest gets the best mileage out of potions just because of how they work. Seriously though, your wallet will implode if you do anything other than eternally 1v1 and don't have alchemy.

i dont need to. hint: ctrl+f WoWScrnShoot. Was just curios. Aeria Peak Eternal Guardians Spider Wing cleared before AQ opening.

>Blizzard is reproducing it on the Legion engine.

Yes, so that the game can be used on their modern server infrastructure and be integrated with Bnet with all the anti-cheat protections and such, like everyone expects from a Blizzard game. They don't want it to just be a janky Blizzard private server. "Here's a download link guys just set your realmlist to blizzard.net haha :)"

>the jank holdovers that make the game feel completely wrong

That's the reason they've been waiting until August to release it and doing so many public tests. To fix all those jank holdovers. You seem like you haven't played the game since the Blizzcon demo.

>what is youtube.com
anyone can watch vanilla videos and claim they know game knowledge if they are as dedicated a larping autist as you have proven to be

i've already searched and I cant find it come on mane.

Blizz has an actual 1.12 client. I don't know if you've tried the stress tests, but Classic is much smoother than any private server.

You don't want the source, trust me.

How much of a memespec is enhance shaman?

>and thats every new game nowadays
sounds like someone who unironically uses guides

> tfw already decided on server with bros
> will probably be asmon server
Oh well

It's the pvp pro spec.

go on google and guess random numbers, enjoy your genuine enh shaman pvp feel

lurk moar

are you guys retarded? like in seriously mentally impaired and not just the internet toughguy slang way
you replied to a post saying your argument is shit and you reply with unrelated zoomer bullshit

gtfo 4channel you little shits

Don't worry. He won't last.

and another proof
youtube.com/watch?v=0tS7EOa62mg

enjoy taliesin or whatever his name is
going to be a soifest

And yet I showed screenshots of payments from Vanilla along with period specific knowledge.

Who was the most famous Alliance dueling specialist Rogue in Vanilla? A stupid goddamn autist who embarassed himself by constantly making Naruto references?

Or, what comment did the "Warrior CM" make to get all Warriors to hate him forever?

>you post that you're a top raider and pvper 13 years ago and you just happened to be in this shitposting thread and yet you're not a classic shill what exactly are you trying to accomplish?

It seemed to be a thread laughing at Classic so I thought it'd be fun to see the shitflinging. I've got no interest in Classic myself, so I thought it'd be funny.

I wish I still had some pics, I've still got the HDD and I've considered many times whether I should pay to see if I could have the data recovered. It'd be about $100 just for some nostalgia, my old Manga, Yea Forums folder dating back to 2008, my old WoW screenshots etc...

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>bait

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my argument isn't shit cause I'm not a shit flinging monkey with a fanbase of a million memespouting retards who can only speak in emoticons
there are containment boards for a reason and there needs to be a dedicated realm for these streamer faggots who bring their cancer into the game
it entirely changes the experience when you have 1000 retards in one zone compared to a normal stroll along a quest zone with maybe 10 people in it

Early lv60: Not a meme at all, a super deadly force
Mid-Late lv60: Complete meme and worthless. You're just praying for Proc+Crit.

>all Classic threads are about streamers
Jesus Christ. Shitpsoters have a lot free time for sure

>Who was the most famous Alliance dueling specialist Rogue in Vanilla? A stupid goddamn autist who embarassed himself by constantly making Naruto references?
>Or, what comment did the "Warrior CM" make to get all Warriors to hate him forever?
what the fuck is all this eceleb faggot shit you keep posting that isn't related to vanilla at all and could simply be trending garbage on youtube

You'll lose any 1v1 you do not proc windfury more than you statistically should.
You'll win any 1v1 where you proc double windfury or proc a triple crit windfury.

You are utterly useless in group PvP and you will be kited harder than a warrior. You are Mage food, and there are two mages per team on an optimal premade in WSG.

Your mana is nonexistant in anything other than a 1v1 where you windfury the opposition in the first 20 seconds.

Gearing for enhance is dumb.

get used to it that's all you're going to see when you go back 'home'

>I am a mod
I will believe you when you ban the fuck out of OP

lmao

dont care buddy
im coming for low lvl pvp, leveling, and relaxing with the fattest buds

mate i dont know.. shouldnt be hard for you to find a video of your TOP raiding guild who did naxx. hell i found mine in 1minute on youtube. there are free softwares for pic recovery btw and if nothing else you could restore your lost chars. just my 2 cents

an elemental won the dueling tournament

youtube.com/watch?v=NM9diSD6U5w

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Oof, so you don't even know who the "Warrior CM" (that's the joke) was? Or what the incredibly famous comment he made was? Pretty much anyone who took Vanilla seriously would know that one. Not being able to get Ming is bad too, considering he was specifically credited by Blizzard early on in the game.

C'mon Mr Larper, surely you can answer at least SOME basic questions about Vanilla? Here's an easy one, why don't you tell us what the original Guild Breaker boss was and why?

>worse than smashfags
nothing is worse than a moving mold heap filled with garbage

no thanks i don't like devs who steal money and let chink gold farmers run rampet because they get a cut of the profit

>shouldnt be hard for you to find a video of your TOP raiding guild who did naxx.

As far as I'm aware no-one in our raid recorded in those days, it never came up and I'm fairly sure the Raid Leader would'a been furious at someone lagging their PC that much for something like that. We weren't on Saph or anything, like I said, we got about halfway through Naxx.

>there are free softwares for pic recovery btw and if nothing else

It's just a dead HDD, when I plug it in my PC doesn't recognise it or even acknowledge it's there. I'd have to get a professional resortation I'm pretty sure.

>you could restore your lost chars. just my 2 cents

I don't have any lost characters, I've still got my account, but I haven't played since Cata. So it's not like I can link armory or anything, and I'm certainly not gonna resub and give Blizzard anymore of my money.

is using a token from last year considered giving blizz money?

>They don't want it to just be a janky Blizzard private server.
That's horseshit. They can make a custom secure server if they have to. I don't give a shit what shortcuts they want to take, the game doesn't feel right at all even after their "fixes" so there's no reason to play it.

Talking about WoW is a lot more enjoyable than playing it. It was since the ancient times because the game itself is very subpar loaded with a lot of good ideas executed badly. I mean what the fuck you want the endgame is very minimal pressing 2 buttons for 10 mins.
The sad truth is . People are impatient, they don't have time, and its impossible for them to be immersed in the game anymore, because they already know the things. There is no adventure left, only race against the time and others is the only challange left. This is why there is so much shit flinging about what will happen to classic too, because playing the actual game is a very boring experience, because despite this "lol just have fun bro :^)" attitude vanishes the moment you want to achieve something, because the game is a race. People are not going to behave like they did when they didn't have the knowledge. You have to compete with others, because you can bet your ass nobody will give away that single mob needed to the quest for you. In fact for most players this start on character creation screen, while they are already thinking about how they'll tank patchwerk in Naxx.

Its just like when starting a warlock ally side or a Nelf priest. 80% of the players will tell you to uninstall, you can see this same scenario playing out ITT too.

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>Dwarf Hunter
>don't care about min/max faggotry
>have never played a vanilla zone

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mate you are full of shit imo since guys in our raids recorded with Fraps which at the time was a major fps sink. and atleast milestones were recorded and uploaded on servers if not that than atleast we had a pic of downed boss. you know you have a site that shows in which guild at the time a char was active. just a hint. and a hint for it was razorgore or vael.

No, the goy that bought that token has already given ActiBlizz TM their money.
Your hands are clean, other than promoting something produced by nuBlizz.

You're in for a comfy as fuck ride. Dun Morogh is the coziest zone in the game.

at lv 40, the ele will be strong at 1v1 no doubt at 60 either way

warcraftrealms.com/charhistory.php

my chars are found as are the guilds at the time.

If the bugs of Asia aren't region locked this shit is DOA like every other multiplayer focused game of the last 5 years.

The second and third points apply to PSO2's western release and it makes me sad :(

Reminder layering is literally just sharding with a new coat of paint.

Enjoy being phased in and out away from your friends. Enjoy zones with 17 people in them that are absolutely empty.

That's fine, I'm roleplaying as a deaf mute Priest anyways.

Oh nice, here's me then: warcraftrealms.com/charsheet/13128619

Obviously matches up with my posts earlier in the threads as well as the payment sheet I showed.

>mate you are full of shit imo since guys in our raids recorded with Fraps which at the time was a major fps sink. and atleast milestones were recorded and uploaded on servers if not that than atleast we had a pic of downed boss.

Obviously we took pictures of us with the downed bosses, as I mentioned, I haven't got those pictures anymore and the internet repositories with them are all dead.

Thankfully another poster linked a char-history site, so here's mine: warcraftrealms.com/charsheet/13128619

Definitely wasn't Razorgore though!

I will, thanks

>Dun Morogh
>Not Loch Modan

>Warlocks are absolute god tier in pvp

youtube.com/watch?v=lrF5x1OSJuQ

>"horde has better pvp clsses"
>"borde has better pve races except for dwarf priest"
>"WHAT WHY WOULD ANYONE SAY BLIZZARD IS BIASED TOWARDS HORDE XDXDXD"
this is why i canceled my sub and am never coming back, there's no reason to play if the developers just give the enemies advantages and ruin the bg winrates and population balance

it is all me same as the vanilla and tbc chars and the naxx patchwerk video.
>Definitely wasn't Razorgore though!
started raiding at ZG patch with BiS caster gear?

>only 4 classes viable
but that's wrong

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you mean it's actually 3?

I will never understand why people get so hyped over WoW pvp and shit on FFXIV's PVP. From a pure gameplay perspective on how the jobs actually play (FFXIV's PVP specific skills that are balanced FOR PVP as opposed to WoW just tossing you in with no balance whatsoever), FFXIV's pvp is clearly superior. Is it because you can pvp out in the world? Does the horde vs alliance thing mean that much? Is it an asthetic thing? I can see how unbalanced fighting with the opposing faction out in the world could be more entertaining then the condenced arena quality that FFXIV provides.

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Priest AQ gear is shadow.

1

Vanilla WoW's rock paper scissors PvP balance is what made it fun.

>classic dies within a month, only players left are zoomers following around some random streamer
>meanwhile, retailchads will get 8.3 with nyatola and nzoth new content plus dragon isles
>classicucks will crawl back to retail

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lolwut

2. Warriors and paladins. You literally don't need anything else. Warriors do the best dps, are the best tanks, and paladins are the best healers.

WoW was the first MMO a lot of people pvp'd in at all. It also has the most publicity nowadays around it. I have also never, until your post, read anything positive about FFXIV's pvp anywhere online.

>it is all me same as the vanilla and tbc chars and the naxx patchwerk video.

Not sure what this means sorry.

>started raiding at ZG patch with BiS caster gear?

I wish. Unfortunately, I had to slog through months of the old ZG with endless amounts of trash. Although I guess we didn't really mind in those day since we mostly just compared it to MC which was the endless king of unnecessary trash pulls.

Original Guild Breaker was Rag, but that was only pre-Nerf, and after that was Vael. Why? Because of his despawn. IIRC you got 5 attempts per raid-lock and that was it.

World PvP is way more fun than match-based PvP minigames. It makes PvP part of the core game instead of a distraction you can do if you're bored. If you don't like it, you can opt out by joining a non-PvP server. Surely you can see how player choice is better than no option at all.

No (Alliance) guilds broke on Razorgore, because if you really somehow weren't good enough to beat him, you could just DI him.

My raid never found him difficult though personally.

This. Shit was unbalanced garbage. Unplayable before diminishing returns.

The reason you feel this way is because you spend too much time talking instead of doing. Of course people, talking about the game before launch, are going to be planning their characters, but you're ignoring the mountain of normalfags who still have no idea what they're getting into and are gonna have a comfy adventure. Your perception is skewed because all your contact is with hardcore players.

>sharding and layering totally aren't the same thing!

t. furfag that started playing with pandashit.

Big talk for someone within my range.

I love FFXIV's PVP because they condenced every jobs skills down into like, 7-8 buttions, kept the job "flavour", and re-balanced each ability around the pvp itself. Every job roughly plays the same, but some abilities can have different effects and everything has different potencies specific for PVP. I love it because it lets me focus on the fight and not on my cooldowns. WoW handles pvp by just letting you use everything, so i spend alot of any pvp match looking at my hotbar.

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Because trannyfantasy is just garbage all around.

Honestly I can't remember any good human warlock PVPers

>Unplayable before diminishing returns.

Even with DR there was some real fucking bullshit

>Trinkets don't remove everything, quality of trinket depends on your class
>Mage sheep lasts 40 fucking seconds
>Fear lasts anywhere from 2-30seconds
>Sap lasts 20seconds?

Crowd control was fucking ridiculous in those days. Get a Mage to 2%, get sheeped, your trinket doesn't remove sheep... sit there while he eats and drinks to full, then kills you.

no one gives a fuck about instanced pvp

I see, thanks for the response user. Maybe I'll give the PvP a go sometime.

>2019
>WTF BLIZZARD WHY CANT MY TANK RAID BOSSES WITHOUT GETTING 1 SHOT
>FIX IT OR I'M UNSUBSCRIBING

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Lmao cross realm whispering/party confirmed.

This is dead on arrival.

like i said it was razorgore. vaels despawn was as relevant as was his chain cleave to all the competent raiding guilds who came prepared with ony head after razorgore.

>i spend alot of any pvp match looking at my hotbar.
I've never had this problem, but I'm sure there are addons to help you with that.

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How many of you actually played it on release? I did and honest I have 0 desire to play it again.

The only good thing about Classic is that some russian will datamine the shit out of the client and get a private server up and running with the actual armor/hp values for free.
FUCK any of you cucks giving money to blizzard

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everyone who knew what they were doing in pvp on alliance picked a different class since foreskin is the most popular horde race.

>LFM BRD, HoJ and Ironfoe reserved
>LFM ZG, Heart and CoC reserved rest goldbid
>LFM goldbid MC pug must have full pre-bis, sign up on my discord

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Nostalrius and Classic are very different. Blizzard fucked it up.

honk honk!

nah I didn't
the only mmo I played on release was swtor

>No Arena
Classic is fucking shit and world pvp is shit

DELETE THESE IMMEDIATELY OH NO NO NO

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>having to resort to pugging
you deserve all of it

I picked it up in spring 2005, played consistently for years until late TBC, then only got back into it when there was a new expansion. Until BfA, which is the first xpac I didn't bother with since it looked like complete shit.

i did and i had it planed that ill play classic no life mode tho after seeing what blizzard did with beta, listening to streamers who havent played vanilla (Swifty did ok), right click report, layering etc. nah i rather play BF V as i did for the past 6months+.

>WHY CANT MY TANK RAID BOSSES
They can, though. It's the tryhard metafags who insist they can't. Hell, a hunter on my server tanked Nef back in retail vanilla.

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>Yes, so that the game can be used on their modern server infrastructure

Ah...right....All private servers are running on windows server 97 and hardware from the 90s.

World PvP is what makes classic WoW fun for me
Can't wait to shit on alliance in STV

>not just taking it

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enjoy your ban for griefing

If you really are a mod then it follows you are a kike. Thus, it follows you should fuck off back to derpit.

>join guild
>never have to worry about pugs and people want to help you get geared

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Enjoy the zoomer cult of 40 man raid groups zooming through and chain ganking you cause their daddy is within a 10 mile radius.

>what is Master Loot

enjoy your solved game vanilla losers.

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i want
- shitloads of dps at 60
- decent leveling experience
- mainly looking to pvp
rogue or warlock?
also still not sure whether to roll alliance or horde
i like horde races but ally zones are much nicer

>shitloads of dps at 60
>mainly looking to pvp
Warrior.

Im not one of those
>LOLOLOLOLOLOL CLASSIC IS DEAD PLZ PLAY FFXIV IM SO ALONE
people but the fact that layering is still in the game and the stress test has proved its still broken as fuck PLUS the cross-server whispering really kills my hype.

Sounds like the problem of someone who chose to play on a streamer server

Warlocks get a free gf.

There are more popular WoW streamers than classic servers. They're all streamer servers

I choose to take them at their word that they'll remove layering when they add world bosses. just kidding i don't trust them at all

Rogue has a somewhat rogue leveling experience since you're pretty shit without good weapons and very squishy, but being invisible on pvp servers is a massive bonus. You get ganked way less often than anyone else.
Lock is right up there with Hunter in terms of leveling, you are fast and efficient as fuck. Your dps at endgame is still really good and only gets better as your progress. PvP as an ally lock can be rough since half the horde pop will be undead.

>decent leveling experience.

you need decurse, pals couldn't do it if I remember right

So wait a second, classic is literally bfa then? Lmao

This, it's exploitable as fuck as forseen and it's just a shit mechanic, all kind of phasing/sharding or w/e made the game world fucking shit even back in wotlk, seeing people teleporting in and out in front of you just breaks immersion.

Maybe that's true in America, it's not in the EU

>They're all streamer servers
perhaps, but Id personally like a server without the fukken hueg personalities like soda or asmon that can actually command the zoomer hordes. some 2000 follower nobody on my server is going to be a lot more manageable

>decent leveling experience.
Stop being a fucking casual or just play retail

how do you get that from someone talking about how layering is fucked

>paying $15 a month for a 15 year old stagnate mmo

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it wasn't a thing in wotlk, user
LFG became a thing mid wotlk which made world empty too

>guy asks for recommendation for a classic with a decent leveling experience
>retard user recommends the class with literally the worst leveling experience

we also got a few, but it less severe than US autism

it's to replay MMO, user, you can't replay MMOs

>Has broken sharding
>Cross-realm partying and whispering
>Already LFG tool in place before launch
>Can't even bring more than 5 people into dungeons
It's literally just bfa but worse at this point.

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If I thought it was worth $15 back then, why wouldn't I think it's worth $15 now?

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Phasing was introduced in wrath. It wasn't as prevalent as it is today but it was there.

But that's wrong, brainlet. Silithus elementals give rep, you can get an essence, use it, go get another, repeat.

hm, I don't remember it, you sure you don't mistake it with quest phasing?

phasing was a thing in wotlk, where after completing a quest you would phase into a different layer within the same zone with a modified layout implying you advanced the story, it was so clunky people would literally instantly disappear as soon as they entered or exited in front of your eyes, layering works on the same principle except it's continent wide and is explainable due to out of character communication.

>literally the worst leveling experience
Rogue is even worse.

Regardless, you go through the levelling experience once. Why set yourself up for a lifetime of sub-par DPS and not even make it onto the podium in PvP just to save yourself a few hours /played on the route from 1-60?

Quite actually unless they give him early access his name will be taken already on all servers. Even his followers will do it just so they can type OMEGALUL in chat

Rogue has the benefit of not being everyones bitch in pvp.

Warlocks and rogues are both great, although locks are going to have better leveling by a lot. If going lock go Horde if you want to dominate, and go Ally if you want easier groups and to stand out more.

quest phasing was fine, it worked only locally for some quests, for example if you are not on a quest you could see all the people doing the quest
what phasing is now is the ghost people all over the server

>it's to replay MMO
>you can't replay MMOs
You contradicted yourself. This isn't vanilla wow circa 2004. This is "Classic™"

>Aeria Peak Eternal Guardians Spider Wing cleared before AQ opening

Naxx before AQ?

Theres 6 NA servers, does he seriously think his name wont get taken on them?
I mean they'll most likely give him early access anyways but he could come up with a better excuse than this.

DK starting zone as soon as you step out of necropolis/citadel/hub..

curseforge.com/wow/addons/classiclfg
curseforge.com/wow/addons/classiclfg
curseforge.com/wow/addons/classiclfg
curseforge.com/wow/addons/classiclfg

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Warlocks and Rogues are both top tier in pvp so I don't know what you're bitching about

If you think that layering is the only thing that seperated bfa from classic then you're a retard.

will see, it sure will be hell on US servers
EU can be comfy I bet, even retail EU was comfy in legion

It wasn't fine, as I said before, it was and still is incredibly immersion breaking.

>we will be getting a gearscore addon at some point

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Rogue is easy mode to level compared to Warrior. You get to pick your battles and can solo a lot of group quests

Like many things in wotlk it was the beginning of the end.

I remember people disappearing or people from other servers in legion. I don't remember people disappearing in wrath
though I leveled a DK so I missed the rush to 80

>Listed 4 things
>"if you think [one thing] is the only thing that separates..."
You're a special kind of dumb.

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bros ...

classic-fags will defend this

Just pop enrage. He was dumb at class stuff, but I loved seeing him shrek trolls and retards.

No idea who the dueler is, but t. EU here.

solo group quests as a rogue?

>MFW i'll be playing on a oceanic server where no popular steamer is going to ruin it
>Trade/general chat will be aussie shitposting
>Mate im playing with will be my personal tank/heal slut pally while i'll be the chad rogue

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And that's a good thing.

>only 4 classes viable
Literally every class is viable. Now if you're talking about specs, then I suggest you go back to retail, zoomer.

Gearscore is meaningless in vanilla and anyone who assesses you based on your gearscore isn't someone you want leading your party/raid/guild/whatever

It takes a while but if you have first aid you can gouge kite most group monsters to death

Once rogue gets adren rush, it can solo almost anything outside of an instance

Such a shame we won't witness windfury procs off itself lmao

oh fuck, it's over before it started
running dungeon with bots will be a thing even in classic, I though I'd have comfy dungeon runs after the nightmare I experienced in retail

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If classic falls. I'll just go back to PoE. There is no reason to go back to retail.

You guys know that monkey experiment? Where they hosed monkeys with water when they tried to reach for the bananas and slowly started replacing them so in the end you had monkeys who were never hosed stopping other monkeys who were never hosed to reach for them, because that's how they've been trained? Well basically every single person getting upset over this addon is literally monkey. You have no idea what it is about dungeon finder in retail WoW that makes it bad, you just see the word and start sperging out like retards.

It's different. If they had completed some quests that you hadn't in a specific part of the world, they could hop in and out of it, disappearing on your screen. I only ever had it happen once in all my time playing wrath. You couldn't elect to go into a different instance of the world at any moment, it was only possible on certain spots and against certain people based on their quest progress. But it was technically there I guess.

>b-but what about this bug that is totally intended i swear
>literally the same game even though the game mechanics are completely different

Doesn't matter, gearscore infects servers like the plague and after awhile everyone will treat it as gospel.
TBC private servers had a gearscore addon made for them even though TBC is even worse with early content gear being better than later content gear, yet people still used gearscore addon as a measurement to judge people.

>You guys know that monkey experiment? Where they hosed monkeys with water when they tried to reach for the bananas and slowly started replacing them so in the end you had monkeys who were never hosed stopping other monkeys who were never hosed to reach for them, because that's how they've been trained?
You mean the one that literally fucking never happened and is just an urban myth?

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Well those are all tbc images not vanilla. Also it feels like you're projecting. I don't want to play classic for nostalgia sake.

Imagine if they updated classic to make other specs more viable in certain scenarios

You missed the point: it's a red flag. This is good. It's a useful tool to weed out idiots who have no fucking idea what they're talking about.

>classic players already defending a LFG tool
this cant be real

I don't know if it's legit or not but you retards are literally reenacting it here, so I'm willing to believe it actually happened.

Original guild breaker? Vael in BWL because taunt immune and cleaves ahoy? One fuck up and the melee pile or range stack gets cleaved to shit? I honestly don't know. After that it should be huhuran I suppose, retarded nature resist fight with enrage as the shit cherry on top.

they are all vanilla raiding guilds but hunter was left at 60 so hunter is vanilla. head is from twin emps, bow is hunter q, chest is t2, legs are emerald drakes and if you look at another pic i posted you can see revered aq40 rep ring.

You missed the point: eventually everyone will be using it

Do you know why retail WoW's implementation of dungeon finder is bad?

balanced pvp is boring as fuck

Nope, all classes are wanted on every boss encounter. Only balance druids and elemental shamans are avoided, and not because they do bad dps, but because they quickly run out of mana.
You'll objectively be just fine raiding with literally any spec in 90% of raiding guilds.
Bitching about it won't change this fact.

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raiding chars*

Factually incorrect. The guild I've been playing private servers with for years won't be using it, and we already ridicule anyone in the guild who takes it seriously.

How do I get that history?

Since you don't know shit you should just shut the fuck up, you clearly have an IQ of 80.

>3 NA PvP servers
>One of them will be taken by medium-sized streamers (esfand, staysafe, and tipsout)
>Another one will be taken by 12+ huehue guilds
>That leaves one (1) open, which may still be ruined by asmongold and sodapoppin

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You have to find the link posted in a Yea Forums archive or from their official forums. They don't officially link to it on their site anymore for some reason, but it still exists.

>The motivation
I don't create these threads, but my brother is honestly an anti-social inhuman retard who watches Asmongold & has spent 25 hours in 3 days playing the new WoW classic beta. He literally didn't go to my Dads birthday party to play it.

Here's genuinely hoping streamsavers ruin their experience so much by mass tagging mobs and ganking them they quit within a week.

Nobody cares about your shit guild. All the pro guilds and streamers will be using it, so eventually , all the players will too.

the absolute state of classic

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Isn't it more likely they all roll on the same server?

>All the pro guilds will be using it
No they won't. Streamer guilds, sure. Actually competent guilds, fuck no.

or better yet explain to me how is hunters inventory and backpack TBC?

Do you think the pvp will be more or less try hard than it was back then?

You say this yet history disagrees with you.

battle.net/account/management/wow/subscription/payment-history.html

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Do you have a single fact to back that up?

way fucking more

Exactly. There will still be a couple of every class in every raid. Even memespecs like RETards can carve out a niche like nightfall/annihilator and cause more overall raid damage than a single dps trying to top the charts.

let me guess you have never ever before TBC seen the head icon in hunters head slot right? Its t2.5 from Twin Emps. the more you know.

Sweet

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It would've been trivial to implement in private servers, but there wasn't a single person who used it. Instead what people did was inspected guild applicants and compared their gear to an already fully compiled, readily available tiered list of BiS for each gear slot based on the patch because it's a 15 year old game and everything that can be known about it is already thoroughly known.

I wanna see you try to convince people that gearscore is bullshit when everyone will use it. Outside your small circle of friends everyone will tell you to abide by it.

It's very annoying to run into genuinely retarded people on the internet because most of the time they're not even aware of how retarded they are. But since you have a clear mental disability, I will take pity on you and spoonfeed you.

There are two main negative things with dungeon finder in retail WoW. Number one, it's cross-server. It groups you with people from a dozen different servers. The chances of running into these people again are so slim that it practically makes you anonymous. It's like how people only really started honor leeching in BGs after cross-server BGs were added. Their personal reputation no longer mattered. This addon cannot do that. It cannot group you with people from other servers since that's not physically possible.

Number two, it's physically impossible for an addon to teleport you around the world. Retail WoW dungeon finder ports you to the dungeon. This one will physically not be able to do so. You and your entire group will have to travel there manually. If someone leaves or is kicked, their replacement won't magically port either. In retail WoW with all this porting it makes individual group members worthless. Someone does something that upsets you? Just kick them and get a replacement ten seconds later. With this addon that's physically impossible.

Also, another kinda important thing worth mentioning is that this addon does not have AUTOMATED MATCHMAKING. It's not the WotLK dungeon finder, it's the TBC dungeon finder. All it does is list people interested in running an instance. You still have to manually form your groups. You people are literally kneejerking braindead retards and I demand you apologize to me right this very second for making me write this post.

anyone can explain what 1 day exempt is?

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You cant make conditionals you fucking retard

As I said originally it was implemented on private servers and people initially acted just like you are, they treated it as a joke and assumed anyone who actually used it was a shitter not worth playing with. But overtime more and more people used it until suddenly it was the norm and everyone was asking for GS.

Why dont the stupid fucks at blizzard just ban all addons

You don't have to convince anyone. Anyone who takes it seriously and doesn't instantly recognize its flaws is already beyond saving. I won't be joining groups started by people outside my guild anyway.

imagine seething this hard into defending dungeon finder & classic wow at £10

When they had server hiccups that affected peoples' ability to play, they'd add a day of sub time to your account. Shows you how far they've fallen.

you sometimes got a free day of play

Gearscore is only a problem if you're pugging raid. If you're pugging raids instead of joining raiding guilds you're a wrathbaby and as such you deserve to be subjected to gearscore faggotry.

>Anyone who takes it seriously and doesn't instantly recognize its flaws is already beyond saving. I won't be joining groups started by people outside my guild anyway.
I said the same thing when Gearscore 1st became a thing back in WOTLK.

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Hunterchads will be waiting for you to come begging to them for kiting/mana drain

dilate

They took the time to break down the difference in group finders that most people weren't even around for. Original group finder was indeed a quality of life change and not a crutch. You're such a retard though you resort to ">lmao seething"

thanks, makes sense tho them 8k queus at the time wasted half of your game time imo.

>want to play classic
>avoidstreamers.com doesn’t have an updated list on who is playing on what realm.
>must reserve my name because it’s the ultimate God-tier name for my shadow priest.
What do Yea Forumsros? At least the server names are up and I’m thinking of either Herod or Pagle

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this. wrath was so good while it lasted but it started all the doom retail has now

reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/coxc9g/layering_is_causing_all_npcs_to_despawn_in/

reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/coja9q/layering_seriously_needs_to_get_fixed_before/
>launch is 2 weeks away
>stress test is revealing how layering is literally ruining the game
Im scared bros....

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>1st became a thing back in WOTLK
It was around in TBC. I've never had any problems finding a guild or core group of players to play with who took gearscore seriously, but I guess I was just lucky.

Are you really this deluded? Everyone uses gearscore, and item levels are always going to be relevant. It's just another metric for people to measure players by.

The classic wow stress test queue was at 2k and I got in in 18 minutes. That was aight to me.

in TBC it wasn't prevalent because finding a guild was encouraged by content, wrath became so easy(heroics were okay pugs didn't do them) pugs got higher population than whole guilds put together

>only 3 est pvp servers
>one is already claimed by BRs
>one will be claimed by streamers(probably herod)
>asmon is such a spiteful cunt he will purposely roll on the last one just to make sure classic fucking dies a painful burning death

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Gearscore was definitely around in late TBC, my alt got denied kara runs all the time.

Streamers are more likely going to be on west servers, they all live in either texas or california.

I played for almost the entirety of WotLK and I have never had gearscore installed nor did anyone ever demand to know my gearscore. That's because I was in a good raiding guild, and gearscore was used by and for pugging shitters. Want to avoid gearscore? Just get into a fucking guild, like you're supposed to in fucking vanilla WoW.

Thought assmon was rolling on a pvp-rp server?

Who cares? Layering is good, if you don't like it go back to retail

>Everyone uses gearscore
Are YOU deluded? "Most" is not "everyone". Even if that was the case, the issue can almost completely be avoided by simply joining a guild.

meh i remember the 8k queu on Daggerspine EU at the time. i could do my homework and clean my room before i got in.

Min/max will die way faster than vanilla. Just gotta let the turbo nerds burn themselves out and survive Asmongold for the first few months and then we can start enjoying vanilla again. Only play on release if you are aware of the shit-feast it will be.

BRs are fun to play with, and the fact that streamers avoid them is a bonus.

t. retard who never played

What a simplistic and uncouth way of measuring a character's worth.

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He said classes not specs.

we got 20k queues, I put it on 1h before raid

No you weren't. Link your pre-nerf bane of fallen king, then I'll take you seriously. All I see are the ramblings of a RPing "guild=family" fag who probably got stuck at naxx25 and ran sunwell "for practice". Gearscore is valid

Literally the only thing stopping Hunter/Shaman tanking is a lack of endgame itemization outside of some particular AQ craftables

wow classic is going to fail because no one has the attention span to walk everywhere any more.

>turbo nerds
>burning themselves out
user, MMOs got to where they were because the turbo nerds don't burn out. Someone post that "history of MMO raids" mspaint comic about Everquest.

My guild disbanded and I quit after we lost the server first race for Anub'arak.

>Most is not everyone
Sure thing tranny, you're like 1.5% of the population. Go back to your circle jerk pserver discord

yea but does the queu crash? that was normal back in vanilla.

>ally team has 2 hunters strictly mana draining
>flag running druid using sleeper chest, resist gear and pocket pally + backup faps
>ally has raid geared gnome war wrecking everyone else on your team with his chad dwarf pocket paladin who is immune to blind
???

Thanks for letting me know I've won the arugment

my internet was unstable back then, so yeah

Nah, so considering how a 2k queue now gets processed so much quicker than a 8k one back in 2005, it's really not that bad.

do druids even need faps?

Probably not, since that hasn't really been an issue in a long time and the client is modern

I meant burned out in the sense of realizing that people get tired of their min/max elitist crap. Not that they will stop playing before they have their last item from naxx.

Yeah im sure theyll be so tired of the opinions of the people they're stomping and beating by 500 dps.

you're right but little fgts who only played on shitty pservers will say you're wrong, I only got gearscore checked when I would pug ICC on my alts outside of that no one brought it up or even made fun of us.
us vets would just armory people anyway becuase we werent shit at the game and back then you could and would bring people would lower ilvl if they had a proper spec + right stats.

When you resort to ad hominem or general semantics in definitions rather than the actual discussion, then it means you lost. Cute you have to post to reassure yourself, though.

It's not going to matter after two months.

>When you resort to ad hominem
like in

no but its legit overkill and these little caster fags don't know nightmares til they meet a druid who has engy + a bag full of FAPs, resist gear or his best tanky stam gear to run flags in WSG and adapt to any situation or trickery. mix in sitting on top of the base in the far corner while a hunter flares and camps the tiny entrance and its GG stalemate for hours

Until AQ40 and naxx comes out and then its world of shadowpriests/frost mages/ele shamans

God I hate these fucks for stirring shit, blizzard flew them out for a private summit to get info so they could promote classic. Does anyone honestly believe that they won't reserve the names he and any other big steamer wants on any server they choose? This is all just fucking bullshit and between BR, Spanish and streamers I'm thinking of just rolling PvE since I don't want a fucking pacific time zone server

But then the new content releases and it matters again.

I didn't even experience that. On my server the top few guilds had our own chat channel where we just organized "pugs" for alts. It felt pretty great being a part of the "elite", not gonna lie.

Esfand, Staysafe, and TipsOut all agreed to play on the same server, but sodapoppin and asmongold (the two with the largest fanbases by far) are refusing to tell anyone what server they'll be on, and will likely pick one without the other streamers so as to avoid competition for things like rank 14 and scarab lord.

we ran 10 mans for alts, alts weren't that popular back then though you had stuff to do on main most of the time
I used my alt only for mining

>got rank 14 back in vanilla
>was lucky enough to do it on a smaller server so not as bad of a grind
>my entire faction celebrating in general and giving me /salute everywhere I go
>people whisper me if areas were being raided by horde
it was such a good feeling and that will never come back, when people do it now they will get called fags and losers by jealous people or randomly accused of cheating/account sharing.

>30ms ping to EC servers
>70ms ping to WC servers

Fuck it, I'm going Grobbulus to avoid all the stupidity. I can live with 40 more ping.

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>when people do it now they will get called fags and losers by jealous people
That happened to my r14 druid pal in vanilla all the time

youtube.com/watch?v=sIlNIVXpIns

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are you people seriously trying to tell me that actual guilds used gearscore as a metric on your server because if so lol just lol

You're devolving RPfag

These days people dont care what others do ingame, especially since vanilla isnt something new.

nah only random pugs on mine, and later they gathered in static pug basically guild without guild and stopped using it too getting in was knowing someone in static
I had a friend in one, personally raided with guild whole wotlk and only was "scanned" when I wanted to pug in older content

no one uses gearscore or any equivalent in vanilla because itemization is all over the place, so higher ilvl != better gear.

I remember it wasn't common til some druid held rank 14 on the official website leaderboard for months and people found out it was like 10 guys living in a basement playing the same druid.
Can't remember his name but I'm sure some digging can bring up old forum discussions about it.

My main point is the community was what made the game back then and that is never coming back. the naive, nerdy and non bitter community who just wanted to enjoy a new online world.

cant wait to see people with gearscore bitching at the competent warlocks in raid for using green lvl 40ish shoulders. its like playing spot the idiot.

did you play on some shitty russian wotlk pserver in 2018 or something lol

>discord chats
>facebook guilds
fuck this reality post reality. this is the biggest reason I don't really want to get into classic.

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For pugging low-tier raids where they mostly just needed bodies to fill the slots as ASAP. It was more "this guy's gearscore is proof that he's been in successful raids which means he must be competent enough to clear raids and won't fuck it up for everyone else" without having to search their character on the armory or go find and inspect them. It wasn't about whether they'd actually pull their own weight.

Yup, it's not 2004 anymore. But be careful if you point that out you might get called a xiv tranny.

Did you play all of WOTLK? it was late wrath when ICC was being pugged on the regular took a lot of us by surprise but every server had people doing it and there were massive flame wars to get the addon banned.

Fucking wow newfags

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I remember those early launch day credits when you would get stuck looting shit and kneel slide everywhere

>when you would get stuck looting shit and kneel slide everywhere

They didn't fix that for years.

You forgot about the horde of underage orbiting some random streamer.

>3 est pvp servers
>1 of them taken by the Brazilians
>1 of them taken by streamers
>rp-pvp is on west coast

desu it's not Blizzard's fault your brother is a bad person

my current account was made in 2006 because I let a friend play on the one i made in late 2004 to try out high level pvp to try and get him interested, and the first thing he did was download hacks and get it banned

t. Alberto Barbossa

if it makes you feel any better the third is taken by a coalition of tryhard private server autists like GRIZZLY

West Coast Best Coast

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>paladin pre-bis healing bracers are literally a green level drop in DM north.
>Will probably get called a shitter for having said bracer instead of some shitty blue bracer with no +healing

It doesn't I wanted to avoid all of them :)

It actually happens still on some private servers. Same with corpse sliding.

it wasnt supposed to, we're fucked

>+healing
user...

Never heard of them. And private cucks were exposed for doing lfr-tier content on private anyways, so who cares.

This should only bother you if you are a metagaming retard, in which case you are scum of the earth that should stay far away.

the funny thing is that you will be called shitter by most of the people. the few that wont call you shitter are the competent ones that you should be in the same guild with. look at it as a scrub filter.

youtube.com/watch?v=QTHH1dqsrsE

So are asmon and his pals going to be reserving a name, or will they surprise us on launch day with their choice of server?

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...

new

>One friend practically creams himself over classic WoW
>Follows guides and has tested himself trying to level as fast as possible
>Wants everyone to follow his tryhard bullshit since being in a group makes it go faster for parts
>A lot of gay shit like killing yourself and rezing to save on time or running to another area early on and getting flight paths
>Right down to selling shit to buy skills

>Tell him about every quality of life change retail WoW has done, not just casual shit that kills endgame and competency
>Practically puts his fingers in his ears and goes "lalalalala" while waiting for shit to spawn with a dozen other people because tagging horse-shit coupled with shit spawn rates "just like the good old days when we played in middleschool"

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Same Grizzly with that perma virgin Qpon in it? LOL