"the NCR is doomed to fail, because it repeats the mistakes of the past!"

>"the NCR is doomed to fail, because it repeats the mistakes of the past!"
>is based on another civilization which collapsed in the past

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>not nuking the NCR and Legion base camps

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>ncr
Greedy and corrupt
>Legion
dictator and cruel
>house
Don't care about wasteland only wealth
>Mr.yesman
Don't contribute anything to humanity
So which one Yea Forums?

Independent is the only way to go.

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i thought this game had only one ending?

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If I'm as OP as a high level Fallout PC? Kill Caesar, take over the legion, and make changes to build it into something better.

There are 4 endings
How the fuck did you not know this?

NCR is directly emulating Pre-War America, the Legion is a mishmash of ideas based on a Rome that exists nowhere but Caesar's mind

Did you really not understand his post? How embarrassing

>NCR is directly emulating a country that got itself nuked to oblivion
Sounds great

Wait for the Minutemens inevitable expansion west and let them sort it out.

>have to re-read the post
>feel fucking retard
How do I cope with this

>no ending where the Kings take over or the Fiends and everybody is now a junkie

Man's there's like 50 factions blocking their path. Minutemen should just be the lead of another Commonwealth Provisional Government.
Have Boston and its surrounding area be a place you hear about being a post war Utopia. And leave it at that.

The Kings wouldn't take over because the King is an anarchist. He doesn't want to rule anyone, just keep his little bit of the world free from outside interference.

The NCR is doomed to repeat the same mistakes of the old world by bringing humanity once again to the brink of extinction. Only a matter of time before the NCR rediscovers how to build nuclear weapons and uses it to solidify their power.

What would be glorious is if the survivors in China indeed had their own similar force growing and also rediscovered the technology to build nuclear weapons. Humanity could finally finish themselves off.

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Hope it keeps you up at night you goober

The irony here is that the Enclave already had a way to kill off humanity for good in 2.

That's why he keeps his Legion on the move, they enter an area to kill all the outlaws and move to the next conquest. Gives your citizens a sense of purpose, keeps them fit, and indirectly saves innocent wastelanders from murders, robberies and rapes.

The NCR is fucked anyway. Assuming they lose in the ending of New Vegas. I wouldn't be surprised if they suffered some type of minor civil war or mass public unrest due to the amount of money and death their campaigning caused. Fuck even several high ranking officials are trying to sabotage their constant autistic war effort.

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Change that to yes man.

From the information we're given, Nipton was chosen entirely because it's on the California border and no big loss to the Legion if they burned it down

It had literally nothing to do with degeneracy or moral purity. It was a terrorist attack designed to scare NCR soldiers. Everything Vulpes tells you is propaganda. The majority of people in Nipton did nothing more than live in a shithole in a lawless wasteland, with a mayor who decided to invite criminals into their town.

It was clear that they didnt put any points in INT.

Ceaser's philosophy is so fucking stupid. He should have just copied Rome to the letter instead of making up some retarded shit over how bad technology is. One of Rome's most defining traits was how it copied it's enemy's tactics and ideas and used them against them. If he wasn't such a fucking retard he could just make his own veteran sniper squad and force the NCR into an awkward position since his army's is already better then theirs in open combat.

Do you think you're more like to die in Fallout's New Vegas. Or the real world's Las Vegas hoods?

youtube.com/watch?v=k-VRvcXmIhc

New Vegas itself, at least the city, is one of the safer places in the Mojave so I'd say real life.
But if we're taking into consideration the entire wasteland I'd go with NV.

>but the Legion can hold the West and East

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Didn't they lose the west like five minutes after they did this?

big picture wise thats his exact plan in the long run, hence his whole "muh dialectics" bit when you ask him about his plans

as far as small unit tactics, I always took it as a necessary gameplay flavor. If you really want to justify it via lore you could probably relate it to the tribal roots of every basic legionaire, and that allowing them to use guns in an ncr manner at the most basic level would grant too much power and flexibility to basic grunts, who are supposed to be unthinking cogs in the machine, while caesar and the elites are the ones granted the ability to stretch the legion's "rules", which is why the assassins and what not ditch the throwing spears for serious weaponry

>Implying it wasn't Christianism fault
Degenerate know your place.

There's an entire area of "fuck you" separating them. Unless they agressively upgrade, expand and become a very dominant power, capable of rivaling actual big factions then they would never in a thousand years survive crossing over. Even then, it would take ages to cross the US.
It would require a lot of headcanon and the Sole Survivor pulling an independent Courier end and putting all the powerful factions under his thumb and stomping out anyone who won't bend.
>take control of the Institute and discontinue all the retarded shit
>build up and strengthen the minutemen
>keep the BoS from influencing the Commonwealth but forge peaceful relations
After that it is just killing shit and disabling retards.

>an actual society that can support an army with men and goods over an extended period of time
>a roaming band of raiders that get all their men and goods solely from conquering new territories
I see no issues here

>Dead Money
>Dean says that you can shoot the ghosts' gas bombs in their hand to make them explode
>every time I target them in VATS my character for some reason decides to shoot at the sky instead of aiming for the bombs
>95% chance to hit

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the entire point was that caesar was a hypocrite and an egomaniac who wanted power and used all that stuff about hegel or whatever as a post-facto rationalization for what he was doing

>Obsidian wanted San Francisco gone so no more Shi and Hubologist
>got cockbloqued
>New Reno is not part of the NCR, still the same shit pit from FO2
>FO Tactics is not cannon but given how Caesar controls the middle of the United states and said they got some BoS prisioners something slip by the cracks
>nobody gives a genuine fuck about East Coast
What else still there that can build an empire as big as the NCR or the Legion?

Tactics is canon until a Bethesda game says something that contradicts it

Mostly the northern plains if the GK endings are anything to go by. We haven't heard much going on in the South or Mexico or even fucking Canada.

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This is the only truly good thing Europe is worth:

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>"Although I hear the soldiers mount each other as much as they mount their women, so maybe they did keep a little something from the Empire."
Legion are faggots

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Yaoi fetishist

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Tactics is canon

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I hope so but nobody seems to want to said something clear about the Midwest BoS

I'd prefer if the legion wasn't some dumb retard civ that tried to emulate imperial Rome.

The Roman republic was absolutely based and is far more worthy of emulation.

Convince House not to antagonize the NCR after upgrading his army. His whole concern before was that with the Legion gone the NCR would hold no compunction on annexing everything. Using our new position of overwhelming strength we treat for equal status as an NCR state with the 10 luck, 10 Charisma courier as state representative. Over a couple years, sidequests, and easy speechchecks the Courier secures the position of President of NCR, and proceeds to put all its resources at House's disposal for his little space project.

>the Legion has gone as far as Denver
>Centurion armour is made from fallen enemies and includes pieces of power armour
>Caesar mentions BoS from the East that don't know about Maxson or their founding in California
Yeah I think it's safe to say the Legion isn't entirely impressed with the Midwest BoS

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You didn't read the note House gave you after you activate the Securitrons with the Dam, did you

House cares about science and the future, it's literally a fact that all the savage raider clans and shitty settlements do not matter in the grand scheme of things. He's based but Caesar is a close second just for how charming he is. NCR is a faceless bureaucracy masquerading as America, which reminds me a bit too much of the shithole I live in right now.

You know, Caesar actually does have many good points but you know, we need to think about the future after he is gone but I'm sure that is bright I mean SURELY a man like Caesar would handpick a good successor instead of letting a cartoon character take over and turn them into common bandi-....oh....

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>minutemen
so bethesda needed a faction to make the railroad look good...

>enclave armor with BOS logo
the state of BOSfags

Dude I haven't played the game in like 4 years, I'm just going off memory here.

>enclave armour
FoT predates Fallout 3. The Tactics armour doesn't look anything like the Enclave armour from 2.

You know what the next game could use? Permanent, game altering mutations that you can choose to acquire. Have a whole system of mutations and how it affects both you and other's perception of you. Maybe needing a super autodoc if you change your mind.

>railroad
They are the most pathetic group of loser I've ever seen.

The midwest BoS don't use T-45d armor. The only group that use T-45d armor and and we know for sure have fought the Legion is the NCR heavy troopers.

NCR Salvaged armor has no joint servos and isolated Heavy troopers with no weapons are dead meat so it's more believable that skilled Legionaries can kill them.

House isn't about wealth, House is the equivalent of a trillionaire existing in Medieval era - he IS wealth. House is a pragmatist who uses material goods as a means to accomplish his ends, those ends being science and (genuine, not libshit) progression. His idea for a neutral zone in the Wasteland is genius, too, centralising all power in the hands of not-Rome or not-the-US would be a disaster.
Based Yank.

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The salvaged armour lacks the big shoulder pieces of regular T-45, but the centurion armour does have those pieces. It must have come from a functioning suit

The Western BoS didn't use T-45d until New Vegas either but here we are.

I wish the legion had more content and was presented as a viable path.

>Yeah I think it's safe to say the Legion isn't entirely impressed with the Midwest BoS
Just like how the Roman Empire wasn't impressed with the Huns, Goths, and all those Germanic tribes. Time is on the Midwest BoS's side.

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The way pre war america is depicted in Fallout looks pretty great though

The legion is full of homos

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I guess it makes sense for Centurions to be able to kill BoS paladins when they use anti-mat rifles, thermic lances, chainsaws and super sledges.

hell fucking no if you read even a wiki page

mass food shortages causing riots needing powerarmored troops to put down, gasoline shortages forcing the advent of nuclear powered vehicles, epidemics killing hundreds of thousands

>midwest BoS steamrolls the Legion with an army of super mutants,ghouls, tribals, robots, androids and humans.
>they got pretty good tech to the point they can bltizkrieg the enemy with armored brigades

Yeah the midwest BoS, recruits tribals, deathclaws and super mutants. They also have a tank.
If they made an effort, the Legion wouldn't stand a chance.

You mean those retards that rely 100% on one guy? yeah, no, they're garbage tier and would die to molerats.

Because those retards have no idea what they're doing half the time. They squander what they have and are dying from attrition.

Corruption means not everybody push to the same side which fucks with the long term plan. The NCR actittude of "if you dont join us we are going to push your balls until you join" in the end will force them to break his own oath of security and democracy they try to push hard as the selling point of the whole NCR

How long until the bethesda fallouts leave the player character with no other dialogue option besides 'war never changes'?

to be fair a democracy in a post apocalyptic wasteland is probably a bad idea until some level of civilization is restored at least

>"we're on the rishgt side of history!"
-people on the wrong side of history

wait until you find minutemen

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And architecture.

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Rosamund a cute!

>Don't contribute anything to humanity
objectively the best choice, collectivists fuck off

that's a little hopeful, radroaches will do the job.

Carpet bombing with nukes is what got us into this mess in the first place.

Do we know what the rest of the world is like in the Fallout Universe outside of the US? How's Britain? Europe?

Europe had their own wars over resources, they're fucked too

>outside of the US?
Who cares

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I do, but not to the point where I want a game set outside it or something. That being said both Fallout 3 and 4 completely fucked the setting up.

after over a thousand years, lmao.
Anyway, it's clear that Caesars plan was that the Legion would be forced to learn from the NCR the same way that the ancient Romans learned from the conquest of Greek, leading to a limited liberalisation of the Legion.

>Fallout 3 and 4 completely fucked the setting up
You're not wrong there
;_;

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Joshua Sawyer wanted to make a game set during the Resource Wars, where you play as British soldiers making a fighting retreat out of Italy

>Fallout 4 confirmed that aliens didn't start the great war
Get fucked theoryfags

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It's only going to get worse. Bethesda don't understand that the appeal of Fallout isn't that it's post-apocalyptic, it's that it's REALLY post-post Apoloclyptic.
It's set so far after shit hit the fan that we're supposed to see the emergence of new functioning societies in this strange new world. Not shitty shantytowns or desperate survivors. Actual functioning towns and societies with infastructure and a level of stability.
New Vegas came much closer to the mark, but in Fallout 3 and 4 it feels like the nukes dropped a couple of decades ago.

love new vegas
love fallout 1
love fallout 2
simple as if you like the other shit games you know where door is pal

>Be Edward Sallow
>Find and Read De bello gallico, de bello civili and The history and fall of Roman Empire
>Don't find and don't read Vitruvius, Celsus, Pliny the Elder, Galen, Oribasius, Aristotle, Maurice, Frontinus, Marcus Aurelius, Aeneas Tacticus.
>Create latinboo legion.

>House is wealth
I can tell you skipped all the dialogue

Wait, wasn't Caesar plan actually losing in the long run? Been a long time but i vaguely remember him talking how the purpose was unifying knowing full well the Legion ain't sustainable in the long run and basically it would collapse and civilization would rise from the minot factions.
He was basically betting we would repeat the civilizatory processs. It's such a bad plan because the amount of years of shit humanity would have to go through just to reach the exact same spot. You can skip all that choosing anything else.

>T-51 was the best pre-war power armour
>Except for super secret T-60
>ACKSHUALLY, Enclave power armour was made before the war too!
>Hellfire power armour was REALLY invented almost two centuries before Fallout 3, it just took them a long time to build it :^)
This is fucking Elder Scrolls legendary artifact shit, where being ancient = somehow better and people aren't allowed to invent things

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House because I'm a mercenary that couldn't give less of a shit and he has the best pay.
Also he actually does seem to have a viable long term plan if you'd actually bother reading the damn dialogue. That or he's just plain insane from being pickled for so long but again I have zero fucks to give.

he wanted to take vegas and set up a new rome to stabilise the Legion in to something that would last beyond him

I realize that they're shitty explanations but in Fallout 3's DC area it's been shit because the super mutants have kept people from really recovering and prospering there since no major organized force until the BoS show up have been around to challenge them.
In Fallout 4 they made it clear that things were actually pretty good and working out until the Minutemen collapsed and then afterwards the Institute killing and splitting up all the remaining settlements that tried to band together.
In both cases the player character is just showing up after all the important things have gone down.

>Fallout 3 and 4 it feels like the nukes dropped a couple of decades ago
Well yeah
They have no idea what it is about and no clue on how nature works
Like fallout 2 shows that nature is returning to the world. While 3 that takes place way ahead of 2, the world is still somehow bleak, dead and that shitty green filter.
Chernobyl happened what 30+ years ago and the place looks like a jungle now.
Hiroshima and Nagisaki happened 74 years ago and it's fine.
200 years after nukes dropping and bethesda thinks the world is permanently dead like they just watched book of eli.
And they think ghouls are zombies

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NCR > Legion = Mr. House = Wild Card.
NCR is LITERALLY the best situation for everyone.

I guess that is a matter of preference. Personally i liked the more immediate aftermath feel of Fallout 1 to the others.

>NCR is LITERALLY the best situation for everyone.
>enabling Oliver and Kimball's neocon faggotry
no thanks, I'd rather make a comfy living as House's enforcer

>trying to compare real world nuclear incidents to Fallout
Beyond the fact that radiation in Fallout works differently to real life, there's a world of difference between a reactor exploding and two individual nukes to a complete carpet bombing of an entire nation with several thousand warheads

Oh boy it's time for another round of "ending slides only, no critical thought" already?

Because you've been proven wrong god knows how many times over how ever many years you've been spewing this nonsense

The only way a game set outside the US would work is if something like the NCR had sent out an expedition fleet or something to somewhere else looking for habitable land. Then you could have a large, established pioneer city and the game would be about the post war americans clashing with whatever they encounter in the new land.

Boston was carpet bombed with nukes?
Washington was carpet bombed with nukes?
Could have fooled me with the complete lack of multiple ground zeroes.
I remember only seeing one nuke going off in Boston and Washington DC doesnt look like it was wiped off the face of the earth.
Pray tell, Pete

Explosions work differently too, obviously

A series with giant green mutants, laser rifles, and scorpions the size of Buicks doesn't really need to be scientifically accurate in one specific area to satisfy your autism. Of all the things people could bitch about, the state of the world after nukes is petty as fuck. What about aliens? Or the huge robot? Or an AI president? Nah, those are fine. But trees not growing faster? GET RAPED, TODD!

I hate people like you.

>I'm a stupid faggot who can't understand Bethesda took the more interesting-to-gamers ruins over the radioactive craters these towns ought to be
>I also can't understand they still want players to believe this a carpet bombed wasteland despite the lack of realism in aesthetics
Find your handler and tell them to keep you off the internet

Uh oh looks like I offended some zoomers

>anyone who points out my autism are zoomers

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>anyone who dares criticize my bethesda has autism! How dare he! Grrr
>I know, I'll post basedjak. That'll show him.

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everything collapses
but Rome lasted a REAL long time and still wont fully die

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>2 atoms have been deposited into your account

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caesar legion it's doomed from the start, there are no place for that ideology on the wasteland

Old World Blues at level 40+ is a miserable experience.

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Though Legion stilll exists. It's pretty Lindy.

Why was vegas so important anyway? It was full of clans, junkies and other scum. Wish you could have destroyed it.

Caesar legion has no place in the wasteland, it meant to b doomed from the start.
see honest hearts DLC

Dude, that BOS would be in no way a pushover
>their forces consist of humans, ghouls, deathclaws, super mutants, etc.
>have advanced weaponry, armor and even armored vehicles like tanks

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I wanna see the Texas Brotherhood in a new Fallout

>everyone just assumes the good ending to Tactics is canon because it's the one that makes them look the best
Absolutely anyone even remotely interested in making a sequel that acknowledges Tactics' Good End happening would tone that shit down because of how unambiguously, absurdly positive it is

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You could make it true, but then just have other shit happen. You could do interesting things with it.

muh shiny city

I'll give you a hint: It's named after a Director of the FBI who had a thing for women's underwear

that's the issue that most legion cucks fail to address. Yea Ceasar is a lot more noble than what his empire became. But at the same time his entire ideology is based off of incomplete information.

the fact is that the Roman empire built itself not only on it's military prowess, but the fact that it was able to utilize the empires it took and build a functional society around it. the Legion lacks that, because all Ceasar saw was the prowess of Roman Military and strategy. By the time he realizes it, it's too late. He's dying from brain cancer and Lanius is next in line, and all Lanius knows is violence. There's no society to fall back on, there's no "people" to lead. Just soldiers and the slaves they took from the tribes they conquered.

There's no "Rome" to fall back on. Just like the NCR it's nothing but shanty towns, outposts, and forts as far as the eye can see.

lole bull peepee :D

He's a neo-reactionary

congratulations you figured it out

Was it intentional to make the two major factions represented by a bear and a bull like the economic terms bear market and bull market?

I can't remember why the Legion is represented by a bull, you'd think it would be a wolf given the original Rome's founding myth was two guys being raised by one.

Because the Tenth Legion, represented by a bull, was literally Caesar's Legion

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legio_X_Equestris

The NCR and their flag predate to Fallout 2 which came out in 1998

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>which came out in 1998
California's flag existed long before that

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I was already aware of the NCR's relation to california's flag, I just didn't know about the bull and Caesar.

They decided to keep the Bear symbol long before they decided on the Legion's symbol is what I'm getting at.

Mr House is a visionary offers a new and better future for humanity. Also he has alot of money to pay the courirer.

The NCR, just like the Enclave, wants to bring that back what actually caused the Great War in the first place.

The Legion is mostly based around Caesar. After he dies, the Legion will never be the same. They are still a good choice if you want security and a new civilization for at least a short of time.

Yesman is for all the "Nobody tells me what to do" Teenagers

Mr House is the best option

Based.
Yes Man plebs fail to realize that without the courier's intervention everything goes to shit.

>The Powder cucks wreak havoc unrestrained.
>The Brotherhood patrol the mojave and confiscate tech from everyone.
>The Omertas probably gas bomb the strip.
>Fiends take over outer vegas
etc.

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>Obs*dian is shit at writing

What else is new?

>I will post le epic reddit man, that will show him!

It's time for you zoom zoom back

I trusted House's vision, but my character was a powerhungry bitch with maxed-out Int. So I went Yesman to realize his vision for New Vegas on my own terms, including the local BOS and the Boomers in my plan.

Yeah, Ceasar was an idiot and his legion but a glorified bunch of raiders. Also, treating women like sexslaves and pack mules? That's stupid, even comon raiders are equal opportunity in their absolute craziness.

The reason why it looks great is because its to distract people from how the country (and the world) is going to hell with constant shortages, increased authoritarianism and the threat of world war.

Nah. Going full ghoul/weird mutant should be a permanent choice. Sounds cool, tho.

Yes, also yes

Piss off back to that "immersive sim" thread.

Clearly it wasn't enough.

>Convince House not to antagonize the NCR after upgrading his army
Isn't he planning on trading with them after they fuck off and stop seething? He wants to have them come to Vegas to blow money on the casinos and finance his plans, plus can sell them water from the dam due to NCR supposedly draining all their natural resources according to Hanlon.

The Legion is a cult of personality you fucking retard, they won't follow you.

>Yesman is for all the "Nobody tells me what to do" Teenagers
Of course it is, Avellone shills for it through his nigger mouthpiece Ulysses, that says enough.

>He's based but Caesar is a close second just for how charming he is.
That's part of the problem unfortunately. The Legion follows Caeser, but not so much his ideas. Once Caeser dies, then legion won't last too much longer unless someone with as much charisma takes over after him.

>but the fact that it was able to utilize the empires it took and build a functional society around it. the Legion lacks that, because all Ceasar saw was the prowess of Roman Military and strategy

Caesar full well understands that, which is why he's desperate to take New Vegas. He wants an actual, functioning, honest-to-God city-state for his Legion to occupy and administer so he can turn them from a bunch of disciplined but ultimately savage tribals into a proper functioning society.

Guys i m looking for that NV mod that turns you into solid snake

Honestly, the earth was probably going to go to shit sooner or later anyways, the global nuclear strike just made it happen a bit sooner.

What is this, Warhammer 40K?

>ACKSHUALLY, Enclave power armour was made before the war too!

Is this the Nuka World thing? I think that's just Bethesda being completely retarded and wanting the reward to be the mechanically best power armour in the game without considering the lore implications, the X-01 being there is even contradicted by Fallout 4's own loading screens that explicitly state that it was developed by the US military after the bombs dropped.

Ah, so your Vegas collapses the minute after you die a natural death.

Dumbass.

ok but does the Midwest Brotherhood have female Paladins?

Just ask the think tank to enhance your lifespan.

>Not having 10 charisma

>That's some really nice land you've got there, user. Mind if we visit your lands?

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Something's missing this time around.

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exactly. that's why Yes Man is the only viable thing but perhaps only in a short term way. Then again, NCR is full of faggots. So making people band together independently, like those Vegas Square dudes is probably all you need although they don't really have a great brain among them to carve out something far more supreme but what would that be? it's a post-nuclear wasteland. heck, you can consider yourself lucky if you can eat, fuck and listen to the radio in that sorta world.

you mispronounced Bethesda.

Okay, homo.

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Jews weren't responsible tho. It was a combination of economic and moral decay and having barbarians being the soldiery.

What happened to the Byzantines?

Nah, it was Jews.

>Of course it is, Avellone shills for it through his nigger mouthpiece Ulysses, that says enough.

christ, why is Yea Forums so funny sometimes?
nobody on reddit or any other gaming community would ever say unhinged shit like that about a developer.

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Venetians and Turks

Italian autism.

Dandolo

And no other developer would say such stupid shit about their own game

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>implying I would not reverse engineer the shit out of House's tech
>implying I wouldn't go even beyond in preservation technology thanks to having a direct access to Big MT
>implying the local BOS and the boomers would not jump at the opportunity to rebuild a technologically advanced civilisation AND making a new space program to extend our reach to the entire solar system
>implying that I would not give this little genocidal toaster a pair of legs and a flamethrower, then send him after your sorry ass for the crime of doubting my judgment
You will pay the price for your lack of vision

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>saving caesar’s life from brain cancer
>defeating the ncr at hoover dam
>getting a coin minted with your face on it
>LMAO ONCE CAESAR DIES ITS OVER THEY WONT FOLLOW YOU

Adopting christianity killed the roman identity, from then on the empire was running on borrowed time.

>byzantines
THEY. ARE. ROMANS.

>Christianity is to blame
>Not the endless civil wars, mass immigration from Germanic niggers, economic crisis, lack of military, and Praetorians being the ultimate jews in the Roman Empire

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>Why does everyone act so retarded in Caesar's Legion?
>"uhh hegel lmao"
Obsidian writing

Then why did the most christianized part of the empire (eastern) survived longer ?

Read a book moron

Their own greed caught up to them.

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The Roman identity died when they abandoned the republic and they adopted imperialism. Most of the decadent shenanigans happened during the imperial era.

>Towards the end of the Republic, the ultra-traditionalist Cato the younger publicly protested the self-indulgent greed and ambition of his peers, and the loss of Republican "manly virtues", by wearing a "skimpy" dark woolen toga, without tunic or footwear.

No fucking way

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>Christ goes around attacking Jewish money lenders with whips and telling everyone 'fuck the pharisees (AKA the guys who could go on to become Rabbis) I'm here to spread God's new message, don't listen to those other guys they're not actually God's chosen people'
>this pisses of the pharisees so much that they manipulate the Roman state into putting Christ up for execution and then manipulate the public into releasing a literal murderer when the Roman governor tries to get Jesus' execution overturned
>the spread of Christianity leads to the Jews getting kicked out of everywhere for over a thousand years because of Christ's anti-usury message and the Bible holding Jews accountable for the death of Christ
>"dude Christ was totally just a Jew in disguise trying to spread Jewish influence"

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I wanna know how Edward Sallow and Joshua Graham taught all the tribals english and latin.

>dude Christ was totally just a Jew in disguise trying to spread Jewish influence

Well... He was a jew trying to spread his influence, so, yes.

When your message is so radically different it forms the basis of an entirely separate religion that ends up turning the original version into a persecuted minority does it really count?

I mean, he was born to a Jewish mother and that's really the only thing that matters in "are they a jew?" discussions

This.

I don’t know why Yea Forums hates NCR so much.

>mfw all these house apologists
The only thing that kike is getting is a bullet in the head each playthrough

Because NCR is practically bush era America and America lives rent free in our heads

because even some high-ranking NCR hate NCR, like Hanlon.
and because House is a superior alternative.

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It's the normalfag option

BoS

>militaristic tech hoarders with zero vision for the future

>Not killing him with a golf club for bonus xp

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>Nuking anyone and losing multiple unique NPCs and vendors for one (1) unique item.
>Not being completely neutral until the last minute so you have a save that can go any four ways.

and yet their faction continues to thrive due to technological superiority

>OP doesn't understand that the entire West IS Rome

They started a war with NCR and lost. They're bordering on extinct.

>the faction is literally dying in the west

Based retard

>almost died to the last man for the toy gun

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non-mutts

Rome didn't nuke the whole world in the process.

With China's newfound popularity, do you think new Fallout games may try to break from exploring America in favor of entirely new world that is Asia?

>non-american fallout
Nigger, just stop, you’re embarassing yourself

>trusting todd to come up with a brand new setting, characters, background lore, etc.

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>conveniently forgetting that at time of war with NCR this chapter was led by senile old man
>conveniently ignoring the fact that NCR only "won" by throwing loads of men under steel power armor feet, thus sabotaging any other advance they may have done in Mojave

Is this bait? Are you really this ignorant of the topic you're trying to discuss?

>NCR
reddit
>Legion
/pol/
>House
No Steppy Snek
>Mr. Yesman
OC Donut Steel

American Fallout game is "solved" by being in Bethesda's hands. Every other game is going to go with same formula, so given time even most normal of normalfags will realize they are buying same shit over and over again.

>believing Zenimax doesn't want sweet chink money

I choose to be different. I don't trigger the ending.

Heres a real non meme answer.
Absolutely fucked, everyone is just a bunch of cannibal tribes that barely speak english and they dont even have towns or trade routes or civilization.
Europe is 100x worse then the US
t. fallout bible

>>believing Zenimax doesn't want sweet chink money
They'd have to kick emil and get some competent writer instead, no way a hack like him could handle a subject like post-war china.

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>t. fallout bible
non-canon since fallout 3

nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/66726
The mod you've all been waiting on for almost a decade is here. This adds a fully functional post-game world to the game, no longer will you be brought to the credits and end your journey there, instead, you will realise the consequences of what endings you've gotten and explore a vastly changed world.

>/r9k/

Seething subhuman

It's also worth mentioning that the coloured regions of that border get misunderstood from a modern perspective. That territory will have a handful of cities, the militarized frontier borders, and the interior is mostly isolated settlements that self govern until something locally significant happens and a detachment can turn up.

A major contributor to the Western Roman empire just kind of... dissipating over time was the overall inability of the Legions to protect the assets of all provincial citizens as more and more migrants tried settling down. Really what defeated Rome and pretty much every ancient empire was just the fact that they WERE ancient and there's a limit to how effective the logistics, communication and actual adherence to central power can be.

yeah if a large empire sprang up in the next century they could really dominate with instant worldwide communications, less than 24 hrs to move large groups of people/soldiers around and ability to control people's lives in a large scale. look at china and america, huge countries that have somehow convinced their populations that they have the highest standard of living/best lives and elsewhere is garbage, while being filled with massive problems

>As a young man I was taught to venerate President Tandi of Shady Sands. "The Founding Mother of the New California Republic."
>Did you know her Presidency lasted 52 years? And that her father, Aradesh, was the Republic's first President?
>Does that sound like democracy to you, or a hereditary dictatorship?
>So things ran smoothly, more or less. And as soon as she was gone, as soon as there really could be "democracy" - what happened then?
>Ever since losing its queen, the NCR has been weaker, more diffuse. Democracy has been its weakness, not its strength.
Is he right?

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this is still the best gaming related tweet ever

*Snipes you from the south*
Nothing personnel, horsefucker

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China is nuked to shit.
This is a terrible idea. Didn't they fucking start the nukes anyway and fucked over everyone? I could maybe see like, Japan or something but China is literally America's enemy in Fallout.

Yeah. New California should've been an allied federation of city states.

They hired a mercenary army and then told them that they can't pay them afterwards.

The LITERALLY only worth you have for Caesar that you aren't a member of the Legion, thus allowing you to flaunt shit he couldn't do according to his own fucking ideology (not that he doesn't try in regards to his brain tumor).

In the Legion ending, you aren't made a member of the it, but eternal AMICUS. You are, and will always stay a friend AT BEST.

We need to fully do America before going outside of America
We need a Midland America (Chicago or Texas) game at least before doing say England or Japan

>Retard didn't know the president term limit was not a ingrained feature of democracy until later on
Democracy of old and the new are two different things.

>NCR prides itself on emulating America as it was
>casually ignores one of the things that made America the way it was

Nah do louisiana or florida

Contrarians.

So, playing through New Vegas again through the lense of today, isn't it an EXTREMELY SJW game?

I guess what redeems it is that it fleshes out the opposing views just enough to not make them complete straw-men, but it really doesn't at all hide the popular identity politics narrative of what is good or bad. I mean come on, both gay and lesbian companions voiced by extreme IRL liberals. The gameplay pretty much forces you to side with the NCR and reinforces the notion that they are the good guys throughout the game. Legion is painted as a comically evil nazi gang and when you interact with characters in the game world their literal top complaints are about misogyny, and slavery, the two biggest talking points in today's popular media, instead of general human atrocities they commit. The way your companions talk about Legion is also exactly the same infantile name-calling that the Trump-obessed liberals use; "Those idiot jerkwads!" There is an overarching general liberal narrative shoehorned all throughout this game yet I never hear that complaint levied against it like it is for more modern titles, and when did this come out, like 2010? That was still almost the nascent period of thepost-modern progressive hegemony and political correctness yet it was already so heavily entrenched in this piece of media...

Ave Caesar.

tl;dr

coming from a mutt who doesn't know true history or beauty,

>We need to fully do America
M8

This. Hopefully someday user.

Yea, those are places that aren't done yet and would be more interesting than fucking texas or chicago

where is this copy pasta from? saw it in another thread

yeah okay Floridaman

The Bethesda games have referenced Tactics multiple times.

Not even from florida, I'm from new england, it's just a fact that mini Australia a super interesting setting.

I wonder if you could read
>We need to fully do America before going outside of America
>list texas and chicago as next locations
You
>nah dont do them do these two places instead
Instead of let's do chicago, texas, Louisiana and florida.

Representative democracy like the one we have now? Yep.
Direct democracy for men and landowners only like Athens? Best one.

what a fucking dumb thing to argue about. Obviously doing them all at some point I'm just saying they should do one of the ones I listed too.

>Nah do louisiana or florida
>Yea, those are places that aren't done yet and would be more interesting than fucking texas or chicago

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I didn't think of doing them all eventually ok? So I changed my mind when realizing that.
Jeez

I really wish someone competent wrote Fallout 4, there could be alot of potentially cool lore if Bethesda decided to flesh out the world and the factions and not just focus on SHAUN and Androids the whole game.

>is based on a civilization equipped for the reality of the wasteland
>is planning its failure so it will metamorphose into a better
>I never talked to Caesar

It's amazing that you brainlets keep making an shitting up the legion threads and still know fuck all about Caesar's motivations. The legion's form in game is not a finished product, his plan is to turn the NCR into the legion, the actual Rome, this is why he refers to the colorado river as his "Rubicon", like when Julius crossed the Rubicon river into Rome, heralding the start of Rome's transformation from a republic into an empire.

Caesar's plan is to use the army of tribals he's built up to conquer the NCR, and then become the head of it, transforming the legion into an empire without the bureaucracy and corruption of the current NCR, with a society that is prepared for the reality of the wasteland, rather than just emulating prewar america in hopes of better days. Caesar also knows he is dying, which is why he has legate lanius to act as a figurehead for his governing once he's gone. You niggers always act like his motivations are short sighted, whereas he's done at least as much forethought as Mr House, and much more than the NCR's "lets just keep overextending ourselves for the sake of more territory we can barely control."

for the troll factor, right? because he is argumentatively in the wrong, the person he was responding to was citing Fallout lore, meaning Bethesda couldn't even manage proper research on a very common in-game item.

that would make him a religious equivalent to a race traitor, as far as the jews were concerned

The moment Caesar gives you, a complete stranger, the chip and lets you into the bunker without anyone to monitor you, I knew all I needed to know that his character is a complete moron.

>House
>Only wealth
Yeah, no. House wants security and order. He declares in 10 years post game they'll have running water through out the Mojave. NCR would have a thin layer or corrupt politicians and soldiers, leigon would have nothing but a harsh dictatorship. House is the best option, he secures a means for a future.

>no arguments
Cope

>this

The Legion is just a huge marauding raider band who cosplay as Romans and dress up their actions in ideology to justify them.

Their whole primitivism angle is pretty stupid too. I bet Caesar just put that in place so he could keep them all dumb and thus loyal, also don't need Centurions in power armor leading a coup. The only thing that makes sense is the chem ban, but even then let them have some stimpaks and radaway for fucks sake.

The only reason the Legion stands a chance in the Mojave is because the NCR is so weak and stretched to their limit. As soon as they move into NCR territory they'll have artillery, power armor, vertibirds and battalions of Black Rangers on their asses. The thought of Caesar taking the Hub or another major NCR city is laughable. The furthest they'll get is New Reno.

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Every time some beta male commie wants to talk about NV it inevitably ends with him claiming House is evil and doesnt care about anything but the Strip despite all evidence to the contrary

they also have nothing in common with the civilization they're "based" on

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True they have much more in common with Sparta than Rome.

i want rikka to sit on my dick

>Bethesda didnt even try to make shit up about the BoS building T-60 from Enclave projects and resources but also adapting their existing T-45s into T-60s
Its like they are not even trying to make things have any fidelity

>Take Vegas for myself.
The Mid-west Brotherhood is going to eat the Legion anyway.

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where the fuck are these new vegas threads coming from lately?

Can't even say that, the Mechanicus still improves and produces new Power Armors.

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The NCR can be viable IF the Courier hands them everything by a golden spoon when fixing their crops,logistics and killing the leaders of their enemies,thats basically saying "but if God himself showed up on the field and brought me the heads of the enemy generals then we are sure to win",without divine intervention by doing all the sidequests that help the NCR's structure in the Mojave they will have no chance at long term presence in Vegas

No one realizes it was built on the past.

Some Daggerfall game got updated. The fags from the codex got bored talking about it and are now dredging up NV.

They will get bored and head home shortly. same thing happened with the last joke game they shilled Grimoire.

There are a few games post 2K like New Vegas VtM Bloodlines or Mass Effect that will always keep getting threads like this because of how much people enjoyed them and that twinge of regret over how they could have been kept going. This is basically making up for how you will never get a follow up for a game like NV or how in some alternate reality ME didnt shit the bed in the last 5 minutes

NCR stands for Nigger Cock Republic
Any questions?

Where do I sign up?

NV has been regularly brought up on this board for years you fucking Reddit browsing "new and shiny" obsessed fucking cunts die die die hahahahahahah FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKK POUND MY ARSE DADDY FFFFFFFFUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKK

>Don't care about wasteland only wealth
Brainlet

The Powder Gangers are a more intimidating force than the minutemen

Well, no. They mostly salvage old technology, advancements are done very slowly and mostly based on STCs from the dark age of technology. Tech being stagnant is kind of the point.

railroad are only good for getting wiped out

I'd buy it if they said the T-60 is just an upgraded T-45. They're both chunky and more angled than the T-51 with its smoother curved plates. Just say the BoS doesn't have the ability to replicate the advanced materials of the T-51 and just chucked stronger servos and thicker plates onto a T-45 chassis and called it a T-60
It still baffles me that they ditched the sleek futuristic look of the T-51. It's like the opposite of how actual tank development went, and it's like going from an M60 or M103 to GIGA SHERMAN LMAO

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Is it possible to enjoy Fallout 4 if you mentally suppress the fact that it's a Fallout game?

The Mechanicus literally has been improving on Power Armor since the Great Crusade.

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Why would I do that if I'm going House? NCR is where he gets his money from.

i know that sawyer said that they tried to make the legion seem like they were not completely evil and had a brighter side

but at the same time they still made them into cartoon villains, the way caesar used his soldiers as disposable and how lanius would execute them if they made mistakes made it pretty clear that nobody would want to be a member of the legion except NPCs

It's pretty fun if you do that.

Apathy is death.

Potentially. You'll probably get about 20 hours of moderately engaging fucking about before you either find it's shit or not.

Making armor cheaper and weaker isn't exactly improving on it. The equipment they had during the heresy was incomparably better to the garbage they use in 41K.

>wanting the niggerhood of steel or Boomers on your side
Yeah bro, sure they wont find out all the tech you and House had and demand you hand it over or else. And those fags who stay in their airfield and blast everyone they see are surely going to help you secure the wasteland.

the writers had to find a way to make them evil. and what's the easiest way to do that? DUDE THEY TREAT WOMEN BAD LOL!

>losing multiple unique NPCs and vendors for one (1) unique item.
You don't nuke any location on the game map.

I think he means that the faction you nuke will hate you and not want to do business with you

If the development wasent rushed they likely would have shown more scenes like the kid legionaires at the Fort. The emphasis would have been on how the Legion was brutal but they kept you safe AND let just live comfortably with virtually no government interference. Sure if you were a savage tribal you got absorbed into army but if you were a useful town you got to keep trading within Legion law and never have to worry about Raider gangs or Cazadores again nor some NCR Brahmin Baron deciding your town could be used better as a pasture and all his paperwork checks out because apparently you never lived here and he bought an empty plot of land for 3 caps and an old transistor radio

They are a constantly expanding force who haven’t lost, and gobble and annex all their neighbors. Dangerous behavior

to be fair, the Roman Empire was fine until they made Christianity their state religion

there is one thing to be brutal, it's another to consider your soldiers to be canon fodder and disposable. not only do they kill people who make mistakes, they kill members of the legion who did nothing wrong as an exercise to keep the rest obedient

>caesar mints you a coin
lmao

The irony here is that NCR treats its soldiers as expendable and, while less severe than the Legion, also engages in corporal and capital punishment

Im sure a massive empire needing to react to an invasion that takes months to travel too and increasing corruption combined with dependnce on mercenary forces and leadership that wouldnt stop fighting each other for ten seconds probably was the bigger cause than what they called the States of Jupiter this century

To be fair the NCR is basically doing that with the entire Mojave occupation and it fits with the brainwashing they have in the Legion that individuals arent important compared to the Legion itself. Not that they arent sending their Vets to their deaths either its usually the chucklefuck young dumb tribals they have in hordes that can human wave and if they live congrats

could not pay their soldiers
hell the only one's that remained loyal and kept fighting where the viking decendants that had become the personal guard for the royal family

Im still struck by how lazy Bethesda is,they have a fuckton of money and had enough time to include much more,it also shows that their main writing team is dogshit,and much worse than their sidequest writer team,the game doesnt even give you the option of guiding the Institute away from all the bullshit retarded stunts they pull,stuff like not being able to convince Nick and Piper that with the player as Director the Institute wont be a boogeyman anymore and actively connect with the Commonwealth to estabilish a provisional government,absolutely lazy on Bethesda who thinks the modding community will just fix their shit game

lanius is the exact opposite of the type of leader caesar wants, the weakest part of the legion is there is no adequate successor and caesar's running out of time; even if he wins, and his vision of the legion becoming an empire with vegas as its rome comes true, will he have enough time to groom the proper successor?

Well Sawyer pretty much said that on tumblr right? That they intended to have a town under legion control where you have plenty of water, food and even power and the people there are okay with it, since in most cases shit was real bad before the legion came since they either wipe out or assimilate every raider gang they encounter, with the main danger being getting on a legionnaires bad side and getting a machete to the face.

true, they wanted to execute some guys who were late from reporting in. i'm not an NCR fanboy, but at least in the NCR you won't get executed one day randomly because the big boss feels like sending a message to all troops. at least, not as likely

Who cares, House is the only viable option

>Mr. House will sort everything!
>his plan is let's fly away into space lol xd

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it might be safe to live in a legion ruled settlement with no fears from raiders or food shortages, but when one of the soldiers comes knocking on your door to bang your wife you're not gonna like it too much

for all the game hypes lanius up to be a cruel monster who only cares about war and murder, he's actually pretty intelligent and understands war beyond just the killing part of it, like he has the capacity to understand logistics since that's how you talk him down, whether with speech or barter

and he was far more successful with his hoover dam attack than graham, though i guess that's also because oliver is incompetent

Calm down Luddite.

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Which is a reasonable option once you get the tech to be able to?
What's the issue?

so only dumb tribals get absorbed into becoming the slave soldiers right? if you're more civilized, like you're a trader or have a town, you'd be left alone if you surrendered and paid taxes or whatever? what's the bar here?

>the weakest part of the Legion
Isnt it the hockey pads and spears?
Im pretty sure four men with 5.56 semi autos can demolish a roving wave of 40 niggers with spears,hell,look up the wars in Africa and how 300 men with tech superiority can defeat 3 thousand with minimal casualties,Caesar is fucking retarded in limiting the tech available to the Legion and keeping all the good stuff to himself and his buttbuddies

favourite power armor?
t-45 - t-51 - t-60 or x-01?

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Everything you hear about Lanius is propaganda. He's got to replace the living legend that was the Malpais Legate, who kicked ass all over Arizona for 20 years.

And while his plan of attack is certainly more tactically flexible than "run at enemy, kill them", he ends up doing worse than Graham did because Graham managed to take the Dam completely. Lanius is stopped just before he pushes NCR out.

i thought graham was supposed to be a lot better military strategist and way more feared than lanius

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what's the definition of non-tribal in fallout? like obviously an NCR town is non-tribal versus the white legs or sorrows, but are there really NCR-like settlements back in the east, existing alongside all those 86 tribes?

Midwestern BoS armor.

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hellfire

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well yeah, i meant philosophically; military its pretty bizarre that the legion stands any chance at all against the NCR; i mean, world war I happened in universe, they should understand trench warfare and how easily it stops massed charges

Pretty much and then you have more than one merchant and Raul telling you the Legion is alright. Combine that with a few missions on that side where the Legion are the friggan Calvary for the locals because they arent spread thin and unable to do shit like the NCR and it would have went a long way towards making them a presentable alternative

The Legion runs on complete indoctrinated brainwashing. Its dehumanizing but also directs urges like "Rape this and murder that" to where the army wants. People in the Legion from what we see are happy if they arent bottom of the barrel slaves and its supposed to be a pretty good deal. The downside is if you fuck up anywhere you go on a cross no matter what. No ticket o fines no warning do Jet and your crucified as an example to others

Nah Graham lead by scaring the shit out of people and no-selling artillery fire. Lanius is great at planning attacks at enemies weak points while being almost as tough as Graham. The weak points he has is that hes convinced he needs to annihilate every thing he comes across and his complete lack of any knowhow outside of military conflict

i find the helmet to be so odd looking

well he got fucked up by hanlon and the rangers, and i think he admits he doesnt have the head for logistics, nor for unorthodox tactics like what hanlon was employing

are we supposed to assume lanius would get beat by the NCR if the courier wasn't a thing? who would actually have won hoover dam in a straight fight between ncr and the legion?

the legions biggest problem is the whole thing only works because of the leader holding it together.
who is probably the only learned man among them at this point so they'd just become an unusually large group of tribal raiders the moment ceaser kicks the bucket and someone who doesn't understand what ceaser is trying to do takes over.

>and much worse than their sidequest writer team
>implying they have one

Without the Courier the Legion has all the aces and would take the Dam, but then falter because Caesar is in a coma by the time the battle takes place and probably dead when they reach Vegas.

Graham isn't a better strategist. Ironically, he's more emotional than Lanius and makes rash decisions.

the Lanius ending is by far the absolute worst ending of any game, at least Caesar has ideas and respect for certain people. sucks that that's what would happen without the courier

Tribes are basically extended families. A society with strong cultural ties that unify them in a way that a bunch of people who just happen to live in the same town don't share.

Two-Sun is a regular settlement in Arizona, Raul lived there for a while before the Legion came.

i wonder if caesar does have an actual, non tribal second in command somewhere back east who handles stuff, and assuming the legion takes vegas and becomes his vision of rome, would be his actual successor

i know the guy's arrogant, but even he had to know he wouldnt live forever and had a contingency plan that wasn't "give everything to lanius"

>they should understand history
Considering how everyone just ditches the Followers as stupid(they are very naive)and how Caesar immediately went on to form his larp crew after reading Cato and Commentary by Julius Caesar while ignoring everything any history afterwards id say they probably dont even know what Mustard Gas is.
It also in turn makes sense for the Courier being the only competent asset of the Legion,because hes the only one abusing explosive ammunitions and plasma weapons

is the legion anti mutant and ghoul?

Based King

isn't that after he was burned? he could've been a very cold guy before his burning

Vulpes is apparently the intended successor.

Only in the sense that they don't want them in the Legion. Beyond that they don't express any strong feelings one way or the other. I think Raul gets some unkind comments when he's with you at the Fort but that's not really special

Some of the justification for the Legions success in universe

>>Everyone has really bad quality weapons and limited resources. Legion does better in the Mojave because of their mix of firearms comparable armor asymmetric warfare and simple easy to maintain weapons

>>The NCR only know so much about warfare themselves. Knowledge of trench warfare is hard enough to come by let alone the automatic weapons barbed wire and artillery to make it work

>>Legion has numbers and fanatics while the NCR is barely trained farm kids panicking after they miss a few shots

Lanius is supposed to show the Legion at its most shortsighted. Ceasar at least plans ti turn Vegas into for himself that they worship and do everything they can to preserve. Lanius honestly thinks he can fight forever and kill the NCR on their home turf and Vegas is just a stopping point on his way there

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>the followers of the apocalypse could solo the legion if they weren't so unlucky

>not wanting to go to space
Loser.

Doesn't ulysses basically call you the joker for picking Yes Man though?

NCR
Luv 2 tax

>thinking he was telling you the truth
Absolute brainlet.

does the legion tax settlements under its control?

Read up on how far the Fallout world got with regards space travel.

He doesn't equally hate both the NCR and the Legion.

Pathetic.

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Then what was he REALLY doing, user?

see
They don't really interact with the towns in their territory unless they're passing through and want something. Caesar isn't their leader, they have no government outside whatever mayor or council runs the place

cute piggy face

The Strip kind of depends on the NCR though

T-51 except not fat like in the picture

It doesn't matter how far it went previously, it matters how far it'll go with House.
Which is probably pretty friggin far.

so the legion has no actual permanent infrastructure and supply trains besides the legion itself? so they subsist by foraging and trading? how do they keep their conquests anyway

one shouldn't hate the NCR, but see them as good customers and treat them well, unless they are trying to push their weight around, they are friends

The Malpais Legate was known for two things: the fact he was unkillable and his brutality

It's not stated outright but I think Graham got swept away with the viciousness of Caesar's rule and got a little too into it. He was the one giving the orders and having to mete out the punishments, he couldn't remain as aloof as Caesar did.

Lanius is embodiment of the Legion and it's people that Caesar was actually creating, ignoring all his highfalutin philosophy behind his actions he uses to justify creating his savage army. Vegas is full of peoples and behaviors that are anathema to the ideals of the Legion. Like the Persians taking Babylon and the Mongolians taking China, Legion residents of those areas would lose more and more of the lifestyle and skills that made them strong enough to take Vegas, before ultimately being forced out by the native's, or being conquered by Orthodox Legionaries during an inheritance crisis.

Lanius maintains an attitude and near religious stance towards the more "developed" factions that would help keep the Legion fighting strong for generations to come. Caesar's choice to absorb Vegas and later NCR would damn the Legion like two generations after his death.

The ghouls at repconn were able to launch into the sky with a little help from the Courier, imagine what Mr House could do.

There is one guy who has the right idea.

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Tribals are pre-industrial and in many cases pre-agrarian semi-nomadic societies consisting of bands of a dozen or so people who live by hunting and gathering and occasionally scavenging and raiding.

Non-tribals live in permanent settlements, live on farming, ranching, light industry and salvaging stuff from ruins.

doc mitch literally had to leave goodsprings due to NCR taxes lmao

fuggin guberment

it never said mitchell himself left, just a few old timers, especially since he is the towns only doctor, I don't think he went anywhere

That's not the Fallout definition of "tribe"

>he didnt choose prim slimm to be the sherrif
Why?

considering that the ony old people that live in goodspings are doc mitch and easy pete...

Hey it's that guy from the one semi-decent part of Fo3

better than bloodmoney

Bloodmoney?

I have at least 300 hours in NV and I've never seen any ending.

>Charisma
>not 100 Speech

This thread is for people who have played the game

Unbending and inhuman interpretation of a preset code of laws, with no context for leniency or compassion based on remorse, complicated situations, or personal context for the action is the shittiest form of justice.

Because how effective is a single rusted up robot going to really be in law enforcement?

How's he going to investigate a murder? Or arrest a drunk? Or deal with any of the crimes you'd get in a small time gambling town like fraud or petty theft?

Cause he's a fucking robot
and won't shoot anyone dead

Literally meaningless. Charisma doesn't do anything in the game except let you have a bunch of useless companions who force you to reload a save every 20 minutes after they ran into melee against someone with a Grenade launcher.

might as well be blood money since the whole map is red filled with the 2nd strongest enemy in the DLC; red fog. the 1st being the speakers

LIKE MUSSOLINI AND KENNEDY
I"M
THE CULT OF PERSONALITY

Protectrons are literally designed to do those things

>why does Yea Forums hate imperialistic war crime committing child murderers?

>Yeah I hate slavery but I'm not going to stop having people kidnapped and then worked to death while I wait for a cure, I've got bullets to make

>People actually never choose to rule NV yourself
Topkek

The only close 2nd is being so powerful House knows you are the only reason he's in charge and keeps you happy

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>muh fog
>muh speakers
git gud

>following a man who can't even wrestle control of his own area

If you had played the game, you would have known Caesar admits that it's only based on Rome's mythos, not the historical empire

>The Kings wouldn't take over because the King is an anarchist

When you talk to Ralph for the first time in freeside, he literally tells you that nothing happens in freeside without his approval.

He doesn't enslave anybody though, he just buys them.

Based Retard

Plenty happens in Freeside without his approval. Like the Squatters moving in. Or all the crime.

King is too weak and dumb too be an effective ruler, outside of his tiny sphere of influence aka" literally his front door" he wouldn't be able to do shit

If you buy people and then work them to death and keep buying people to replace them, you are responsible for those people being captured to be sold to you. You have made a market. It's your fault.

>tfw the legion had next to no quests and was completely barebones because of Bethesda’s time constraints on the developers
I love the concept of the legion and their aesthetic but siding with them feels like your locking yourself out of 2/3 the games unless you play a spy/frumentarii character

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Point is, he declares to have authority over a certain area, and thus everyone in it. Which, by definiton, would mean he's not an anarchist.

Primm Slim proves to be an able-minded, if not able-bodied, sheriff for Primm. Due to his slow speed, some crooks get away without a scratch, but Primm continues to prosper under his watchful robotic eye

He doesn't work people to death, though. Slaves are expensive and the Pitt relies on them. He's just taking advantage of an already existing system to build a city.

yeah he isn't an anarchist, he's just a west side story gang leader tier dude.

bless you slim jim

His only problem is he moves slow otherwise hes actually the most humane and involved option

>THIS FIRE WAS ALREADY HERE MIGHT AS WELL THROW MORE FUEL ON IT AND SIT ON MY HANDS WHILE PRETENDING IM HELPING

Primm needs protection, not humanity

Everyone who is forced to work inside the city contracts the Trogg disease and/or gets eaten by Troggs. Nothing he's doing is so important that you can even begin to justify the slavery and terrible working conditions.

Protectrons were literally designed to protect
And hes the only sherrif who fires the coward deputy

What he really does is act like a police force for the area and rough up trouble makers. The thing is its a cult with rough guys and a few good intentions that endear themselves to the locals so they are only so good at it. Its why they cant really stop all the crime or force out the squatters and why they got their shit pushed in at the Silver Rush

>Letting the city die

The vigilante fires him because he brings in Powder Ganger deputies and NCR fire him because he's not a trooper

Fuck no ,brother.House aint about it,his first goal was to let escape fragile world known as earth,he did care about humanity.Yet it was his words ,not actions,so it is no apparent whether lied or not.God,i love New Vegas!

Do people still believe this shit?

they don't do the best jobs, even game play aside.

>Ex prisoner who brings powder gangers
and
>NCR who brings NCR troopers and taxes
vs
>Cool robot who represents the people of Primm and does his job well

He's building a nation that will have an actual industry, it's not the west coast where everything is nice and clean. And the Pitt didn't start out as a slave city, he began rebuilding it much sooner but then realised that it was no longer possible without extra labour. He's working on a cure and he provides food for his people. Might not be nice, but it works. Besides, getting rid of him at the point of the quest would be pointless anyway. And he's actually a moral person who will civilise the raiders, cure the diseases and build a city of free men.

east coast isn’t canon

he doesn't bring powder gangers though, he leaves them behin since he gets pardoned

His ending says that he sometimes unfairly punishes people though

the main series takes place on the east coast, new vegas was the exception

You absolute fcking dimwit,it's death of Caesar and thriumph of pro-slavers

Go read somebooks or something,jew

the hand of the law is firm
and stiff
and erect

discount bait

Not sure if cut content counts, but there's this
fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Powder_Ganger_deputy

you do know they have been forced into hiding by the NCR in the west because all they ever do is make enemies and never allies, because they are complete fuckwits who can't stop picking fights with people
they are shit and deserve to fuck off already

not saying he doesn't all i said was that he doesn't come with powder memes

not bait, ever since interplay went out of business, the main series has been east coast

That nigger isn't happy with any of your decisions.

Uhhh,ooga-booga,fallout 1-2 doesnt exist,ooga-booga

he's probably better at pleasing women than you despite being made up of pixels

>better at pleasing women
>literally lives in the ground zero of a nuke

just picture it
Mutant cock

>shit-ton of rads
>functioning penis

i didn't say functioning, just mutated

he dated christine, had he not?

DAS RITE, YOUR WOMEN LOVE THE SUPER MUTANT COCK

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Not sure

not really
sparta wasn't relying on poorly trained and equipped slaves to fight for them
they were also very cultured and educated
also treated their females a lot better
the only thing they got on Sparta is their hatred of drugs

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>try to play this game
>make a character, a few hours into the game
>it's okay, save it for tomorrow
>try to play some more today
>first 2 saves won't load, corrupted or some shit
>3rd does
>trying to have fun
>some guy walks up to me, supposedly about to start a conversation
>game crashes
>lose 30 minutes of game time due to not saving
>load that 3rd save again
>corrupted
how do people play this broken piece of shit

what potato do you play on fag?

it's not a potato, I play brand new games on medium/high

use NVAC and the 4gb patcher.
should take you no more than 5 minutes to install.

what? he saved her out of a jam in the big MT, that doesn't mean they were dating at all

>not a potato
>medium
user I

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Imagine being this scared of people because they're a different color

no one can resist the BBC

(big bad courier)

SUPERMUTANTS DINDU NUFFIN
THEY JUST FOLLOWED DA MASTAH

it's not the colour what matters, it's what they do that does

Disingenuous to imply people dislike minorities because of their shade (ugly as it may be) and not their actions.

I purposefully turn down things like shadows to get a more consistent 60fps in new games. I don't think it's fair to say high because I don't just run straight up max graphics, I care more about visual efficiency than the best looks.
I'll try that. Thanks for actually helping.

Really? The Legion is a hardcore army of professional soldiers raised to fight fanatically and nothing else supported on their own Helots that thinks of women as little more than breeding stock and thinks of intellect as deceptive and decadent and you dont see the connection to Sparta?

do super mutants have a sex drive? if so, how come we never heard about them raping anyone? also, since the FEV is a virus, does that mean it's sexually transmitted?

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also try the stutter remover

Daily reminder fallout 3 fags are still seething

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It's an anonymous board. No one will ever know it was you.

NO GODS NO MASTERS NO GODS NO MASTERS

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Are you retarded

there's a super mutant in fallout 2 that can rape the shit out of you. but they're all sterile. Also the FEV is airborne i believe.

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most of those "side quests" are just markers and fetch quests in new vegas though, there really isn't as much more side content in new vegas than that image makes it seem

being sterile doesn't make you have a lesser sex drive though

I feel like I've squeezed all the enjoyment out of F:NV that I can, Yea Forums. Where do I go from here?

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why was the Master such a massive fucking faggot like holy shit

wait a couple of years, then go back and revisit it and enjoy the adventure all over again

play fallout 3, an even better game

you're projecting, todd.
play fallout 1 and 2. the interface can be confusing at first, but the quality of the games is on par with NV

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already did. and still, that images of the quests is unrepresentative of quests in both games

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He deluded himself into thinking that all of the terrible things he was doing would be worth it in the end once everybody was mutants. Turns out it was all for nothing and he couldn't live with himself after having done all that

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>Ulysses doesn't have an actual face
>his head is an elaborate mask
>that is why he doesn't blink
>he also looks retarded with the gas mask off
what the fuck was that shit about?

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the orininal character models suck

>tfw you can't make anyone look menacing with the fallout 3 version of gamebryo unless you obfuscate parts of their face in some way.

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did any of you fallout 3 critics ever 100% the game?

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Here's a list of sidequests that can end in drastically different ways depending on your choices.

>I Put a Spell on You (McCarran spy)
>G. I. Blues (Kings/NCR conflict)
>Beyond the Beef (White gloves)
>Come Fly With Me (Novac ghouls)
>We Are Legion/Restoring Hope (Who wins in Nelson)
>How Little We Know (The Omertas)
>Return To Sender (Hanlon)
>Oh My Papa (The Khans)
>There Stands The Grass (Vault 22)
>That Lucky Old Sun (HELIOS One)
>Why Can't We Be Friends? (Powder Gangers)
>Crazy, Crazy, Crazy (Black Mountain)
>For Auld Lang Syne (Arcade's quest)
>Dealing with Contreras (Contreras' unmarked quest)
>Still in the Dark/Eyesight to the Blind (BoS)

name even half that many in fallout 3.

You become a tributary if you’ve got a proper town with agriculture and trade.
If you’re a marauding tribal like the white legs you get press-ganged into legion, or sold as a slave.

>he joined Daniel and fled from Zion instead of joining Joshua in taking down the enemies that have been tormenting them
explain yourselves

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Joshua is still the same as he was under Caesar, except this time he deluded himself into believing that he's doing it for the right reasons. Daniel isn't afraid of taking down the white legs, he's afraid that Joshua will essentially start the legion 2.0 if you let him go unchecked. Which he pretty much does.

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>power of the atom, pretty drastic difference
>tenpenny tower, another drastic
>blood ties
>those
>the wasteland survival guide
>trouble on the homefront
>the superhuman gambit
>the replicated man
>oasis
>you gotta shoot 'em in the head

Bonus:
>the amaing aqua pura
>holy water

Keep in mind, some of these are quite long. the powder ganger quest basically consists of clearing out an old cave of geckos and come fly with me's only real difference is who you blow up at the end

The final missions of The Pitt, Broken Steel and Point Lookout also give you decisions to make.

Two words: fuck Joshua

I find it extremely hard to believe ANYONE actually sided with Cuckiel over Chadshua.

>not RPing as a legion spy,convincing the sorrows to run away like cowards so that the white legs dont get massacred

The only good outcome for the wasteland is going Independent but helping the NCR reign in the wasteland. Doing things like repairing Helios One but diverting the power to everyone for example, or getting rid of the Khans and Fiends.

>tfw no New Vegas Sequel that takes place with a canon independent ending that has you making diplomatic decisions
>tfw no New Vegas Sequel with the settlement building of FO4 so you can truly make the wasteland a better place

Kings could easily be better though, if you go Independent you could easily forge alliance with them, especially since the King is a friend of the Courier.

Offer the Kings better weapons, help from the securitrons and better trade in exchange for them actually cleaning up Freeside.

Hell, once the Fiends are eliminated, you could easily merge Westside (which is only a shithole because of the constant Fiend bullshit) and start to repair and rebuild the areas around Vegas.

Going independent would just fuck over the wasteland because you literally have no specific goal besides "durr make it better!".

I fucking hate yes man niggers acting like they'll do ANYTHING better than any of the factions, and you specifically have the balls to fucking keep the NCR there even though they're easily one of the worst options next to independent. I hope we either never get a canon ending or it's fucking Legion just to spite you cunts.

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Vegas isn't. It's Hoover Dam. New Vegas exists only because House was nostalgic.

Kimball is an Imperialiat who would rather push west than make New California a better place. Any leader with an ounce of intelligence would fortify the California borders and focus on bringing a new era of prosperity to their new country instead of trying to expand west with forces that are clearly stretched way too thin given that they can't even kill some fucking ants to let Caravans through

Never had a serious problem playing it on Xbox. Maybe you should try playing it on a device made to play videogames, not make spreadsheets.

And because it was an excellent opportunity to profit from the NCR.

Which would allow him to get the caps needed to retrieve the platinum chip and activate the securitron army.

unironically true

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Tactics is canon but only the major events of the story dumby

Mr. House + big empty technology

Just have playable races. Super Mutant, Ghoul, Lakelurk, intelligent death claw or Human. Would be cool but I think Bethesda is gonna keep taking the JRPG approach to story in Fallout by having a voice protagonist play a set role in a story.

>cherrypicking this hard

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Whats wrong with beyond the beef?

I'll give you the Pitt, but does Point Lookout still count if you have to kill the brain guy in both endings anyway?

They started using dogs after they took over the tribes from Denver, it's safe to assume anything deemed useful would be capitalized as long as it could be separated from tribal identity.

Pre-war America only looks good because the government was Authoritarian and hid most of the bad shit from the general public.

>Anti-war riots
>massive food and resource shortages
>massive amounts of corruption
>literally experimenting on their own population via Vaults
>cars are literally mobile nukes because of fossil fuel shortages

Yet you cant even join the Enclave in 3...

does supplying power to Fremont and Westside or Full Region cause any changes in the game world?

1 quest vs. 15 quests

now, fallout 3 has quite a bit of linear quests like stealing independence, but at least that has a unique location, a unique NPC, a dungeon where science and computer perks really come in handy and some pretty cool NPCs near the end. that's how you do a good fetch quest.

not talking to an NPC in empty settlement 1 then talking to NPC in settlement 2 then repeat. the Papa Khan quest lmao, you literally go talk to some guy at the 188 who stands in one place forever

No, what Cesar stated was that NCR wanted to start again from the point which led to the downfall of mankind. Cesar wanted to start from a point that was more relatable to the current situation, that is to say, the taming of the barbaric wasteland through Roman rule which is still a tier above complete chaos.

To expand on that:
NCR is based on the U.S circa 2000's of our time, which has its own issues but is still impressive considering it took them a century to get to the point they can create pharmaceuticals, ammunition, weaponry, housing and such. Had we seen current NCR it would look like a current 3rd world nation in development.

Cesar on the other hand stated that rebuilding from that point onward was well intentioned but would not work given how ruthless people had become. Even if it had any success you would be starting from a decadent point in time.

Corporal punishment was needed, the ideal of citizenship, amalgamation through force, militarization of the society to maintain order. Cesar pushed a strict moral code to the legion which seems ultra conservative.

Whiskey Rose had the better point of it, it was a society she didn't like because women like her would have little rights or saying in society as the Legion was set back in many social advancements but at the same time it provided much needed security to traders which in turn created progress.

Cesar was autistic, he did push a Roman like religion which seems trippy and incoherent but by pushing a common set of believes to the legion and a sense of pride and union, he proved that taming the wasteland through his rule was very possible. If you compare how long it took the NCR to advance, compared to the Legion, Cesar apparently was not wrong.

The game pushes NCR for most of the game, Ulysses was supposed to give the player all this information to make the game more fair in terms of politics. Legion was not supposed to be the evil faction, just a faction that pushed a necessary evil.

That's great and all but what if I want to join the enclave?

they literally don't want you because you are irradiated you moron, only Eden wants anything to do with you and that's mostly as a tool for his own ends

Europe is probably worse off than America considering they had the resource wars hit them the hardest. China is a glowing green crater.

Unironically Australia is probably a norm country again, given they had very few nukes dropped on them from what we know.

>poisoning the well too

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You can't join in Fallout 2 either.

what makes you think the Enclave would let an outsider join them? The ydon't want anything to do with anyone who isn't part of their tribe

But I can join the Legion as a woman in New Vegas because they realise I'm a valuable asset. Nice cope.

>510 replies
>179 posters
wtf is this thread

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The reason Fallout 3 is such a shithole makes sense though

>Super Mutants are preventing people from really settling
>DC was hit by a shit load of nukes, probably hit more than anywhere else given that it's the capital of America

In Fallout 4 it's clear things are a lot nicer and have been for a while, it's just that the collapse of the Minutemen has lead to a power vacuum causing things to go South.

I know my Fallout lore and America is from what we know one of the least fucked up places on Earth

hey cutie, i have a screenshot in the same exact spot. weird

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Fallout Hawaii would be a good DLC imo

technically you don't join the legion, you just aid them, never actually join.

besides, not like small things like this matters. fallout 4 did everything: join factions that are related to the main quest, all companions have quests, you can romance most of them, all settlements have crops, but it's still a shit game

I can look past my overall enjoyment of Bethesda's Fallout titles and still conclude that what Beth has done with the west coast is frankly tragic. It shouldn't look like complete shit and it shouldn't have Super Mutants, Enclave and maybe even the BoS itself, but I can look past that one.