Find. A. Single. Flaw

>fatlus
>waifu escapism garbage
>self insert - the series
nah

doesnt that game take like 5 hours to be good and have the lamest ending ever

>Abysmal replayability other than a secret boss and a few broken items
>No endless mode
>No multiplayer battles
>Morgana impersonating Jeff every time you want to do something at night
I can keep going but they're mostly trivial stuff like more places to go etc.

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The fans.

A bunch of the in game time is wasted or forced skips because why not.
Overall the difficulty is boring even on higher difficulties.
Haru is introduced far too late into the game to really matter.
The entire forced conflict with Morgan could not have been written worse.

It's not fun. If it's not fun why bother?

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Can't marry Sai
No canon girlfriend because weeb otaku waifu faggots
No option fore the PC to say "Fuck that gay shit" and stay where he is instead of leaving all his new friends.

not on a good console

no, reddit prefers wrpgs like nu vegas and planescape soilent.

nobody's addressed my right answer

I'm in the 6th palace and it's already one of my favorite games of all time. But as a serious response, the exposition is insane. Anime/Japanese writers are used to pretty mediocre writing when it comes to that, it's always pretty awkward. Also, you don't really notice it until you're in the factory palace and have to climb the mechanical arms, but the movement outside of combat is a tiny but clunky.
That said, my only major complaint is that once you've maxed out your relationship with a character hanging out with them is basically a waste of time and you don't even get dialogue sometimes. I keep hanging out with Ann because she's literally the perfect woman, but I wish it weren't just "somewhere popular would be nice ^_^ (...) Ok see ya." The scenes where you actually have a story are really charming and well done, it feels bad to know you can only really be close to your waifu a bunch of times. The fact that they all keep the relationship private doesn't help either.

The entire damn premise of the gameplay outside dungeons is to use your time wisely and yet I'm repeatedly dumped into my room after a cutscene with nothing but being able to save and the fucking cat telling me to fuck off and go to bed. It would have been infinitely less aggravatingly obnoxious to just be dumped into a string of cutscenes while the passing time is simply informed and the next actual chunk of gameplay was a full day. I know you can take advantage of it when you are higher up on your confidant level with the maid but beforehand, fuck right off with this tedious dumping me in my room and not being able to do anything, just time skip me.

Fell flat in a lot of places to me. It's still a good game but it went from a 9/10 to an 8/10.

Has Yea Forums been fanboying over this game for a while or is it just a coincidence that y'all are obsessed with it at the same time I started playing it? I mean the game is over 2 years old now.

All out attacks are an affront to dungeon design.

shitty fucking anime game.

>The entire damn premise of the gameplay outside dungeons is to use your time wisely and yet I'm repeatedly dumped into my room after a cutscene with nothing but being able to save and the fucking cat telling me to fuck off and go to bed
Should have just waited for P5R since it's already confirmed that Mona will be far more lenient about forcing you to go to bed.

Morgana is a piece of shit

I do feel like turn based combat was more a necessity of limits at the time of 8/16-bit gen, but in 2019 one should be able to make real time combat good enough where turn based isn't needed.

It's not Persona 4

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The game is 90% cutscene and the little gameplay is so braindead it might as well be playing itself.

Rushed and underdeveloped endgame, like all Persona games.

Sae isn't an option.

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Haru

P5R coming out soon.

If they actually fixed it, I will gladly buy P5R, though maybe not immediately. It burned me out hard, I'll need a year or two.

>too long
>gay low test music
>story goes to shit in latter half
Still a solid 8,5/10.

Doesn't let me fuck Mishima

its a ps4 exclusive

steam/switch when

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youtube.com/watch?v=n_T9ozWh_dM
Enhanced edition comes out in a few months for Japan and next year for the West so it's a hot topic again.

There is a definite flaw in the game. You just dont get to see it in the game because the PS3 ignores the crash.

When going into combat with a first strike, the game's animation is actually missing a frame. This is a bug in the code for the game. This bug was discovered in RPCS3 as RPCS3 would actually crash trying to find this frame where as the ps3 will ignore it.

right after smtv gets ported to ps4.

>Haru is tacked on and useless
>To much handle holding (fuck you MOrgana)
>Last quarter of the game is very lackluster and doesn't live up to all the build up
>anime
>Morgana/Futaba repeat the same exact thing everytime you exploit weaknesses WOAH, LOOKING COOL JOKER WOAH LOOKING COOL JOKER WOAH LOOKING COOL JOKER WOAH LOOKING COOL JOKER
>No gay relationships
>Akechi plot twist is way too obvious and tacked on
>Momentos
>Little too tedious once you run through the dungeon in 3 days then have 30 days doing Social Links
>Classroom questions are ridiculous and many require google to know any of them, at least give us a challenging but common sense question
>hurr lets just rerelease the exact same game but add a new character, those dumb fucks will buy it for full price again like they did with P3 and P4

Games still awesome. Easily 9/10

>already +100 hours long
>they'll add a new trimester, more characters and new confidents
i don't wanna spend 200 hours in this game again

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SMT V is already coming to PS5 though. Why do you think they're delaying so long? Expect a trailer at the PS5 reveal.

How are your knees?

My biggest complaint is pacing went to shit after Futaba's palace. It railroads Haru with Morgana and Ryuji fight which writes her character out of existence and then the rest of the games events are smashed together in the last two months. If it had A month more or a month and a half and smoothed out that bit there I'd like the story a lot more. Also the heists aren't heists, you never set an infiltration route and try to steal it under security, you teleport to the closest save room, maybe watch a cutscene or two, then fight a boss.

Just finished Persona 5 today

The combat is really good. I love how merciless the game is, one screw up and you’re dead. Persona fusing is really fun and exploring the palaces were great. Definitely the strong point.

However, outside the palaces the game is fucking terrible. It’s slow, dragged out and boring. There is too much dialogue for very little substance. There’s like 25 hours of dialogue or so, but not one meaningful conversation. The story is terrible, Kamoshida was a good villain but the ones after him were terrible. Then in the end the game becomes a pseudo philosophical dumb about the will of the people and other bullshit, but it’s all really abstract and makes no sense. Overall the story is really dumb and cringe worthy. I know it’s aimed at teenagers but so are Disney movies and they have way more meaningful conversations than this crap.

>Took an entire week of playing nothing but P5 to clear it
>P5R will probably add another 20 hours at bare minimum
I haven't touched P5 since it came out in the West and I beat it so I'm ready to do it again.

Game peaks at Kamoshida

I mean the akechi twist isn't about it being surprised it's him it's being surprised the team also knew how obvious it was and punked him over it.

>>Classroom questions are ridiculous and many require google to know any of them, at least give us a challenging but common sense question

What? Where are you from? You country has an appalling educational curriculum.

The entire fact that dungeons literally became corridors and shortcuts get abandoned by the time you hit the Futaba's Palace. I can't explain how P5 and P4 feel more tedious to replay, but I can sit down and just cram was much P3 down all the damn time.

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not happening. atlus is autistic about platform loyalty. smtv will be a switch exclusive forever. even if it runs at 10fps 480p, it will still never be ported off the toy tablet to a real platform.

I agree with you user. But Futaba's Palace is actually where I really feel the game drags and just becomes more of a chore to sit through on replays.

if you hate corridors and tedium, i have no idea how you can stand playing p3.

>the twist isn't it being surprising

i can't play it on pc

But user it's a good thing it isn't the worst nu-persona game

Time will only tell, but it looks like they have revamped most of the dungeons in P5R to account for Joker now having a grappling hook.

best girl basically gets cut from the story after they use her as a plot device
not even a damn confidant for her
shiho best girl and I'll never not be mad

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>reading comprehension
I said it was about being surprised the team knew as well learn to read you third world fuck wit.

Because I can literally ignore all the damn fights until I want to fight or do a floor boss. Like shit, Mementos feels worse because you can't break line of sight to Shadows as easily and abuse the AI.

what makes you say it's the worst one?

P3 is literally one dungeon the entire game

ITT: a bunch of autistic kids complaining that persona 5 is bad. Last night the same thing happens with smt3 nocturne.

You guys hate everything even yourselves, I bet you all have divorced or dead parents. I laugh at you all.

so you like playing p3 because you can ignore the shitty gameplay as much as possible? why not just watch the anime instead while you're at it?

No goddamn shit, but I don't have to fucking bother with specific fights nearly as often except floor bosses and those are more engaging than P5's forced mini-bosses.

There’s none. It’s a great fucking game.

Doesn't matter. The point is the major villain and twist was shit and completely obvious especially coming from P4. A twist on shit twist doesn't save the shit twist

>wasting time on random encounters
Just because P5 streamlined the menus doesn't make the gameplay magically work any differently.

>gay low test music
Pleb with shit taste

>P5R is the game I'm looking forward to the most
I really enjoyed P5.

and here it is, the insufferable P3 fag that is present every goddamn smt/persona thread, go fuck yourself

>Negotiations
>Stealth mechanics
>Dungeons are crafted while leaving the randomly generated dungeon for sidequests
>Confidant abilities
Oh wait, you said flaw. I was listing the reasons it's the best Persona game. Silly me.

It’s great from the beginning and ending is great too if you’re not a brainlet. Most people who criticize P5 are brainlets who allowed a very straight forward story to go over their head.

>I bet you all have divorced or dead parents.
That is so oddly specific I have to wonder if you're projecting something that happened in your life onto us.

Wow, talk about defensive where I'm not just bowing down and saying P5 is perfect and doesn't have a single moment where you just want to quit and take a break. Nope, you can play the entire game in one damn sitting.

TV world is just a reskinned Tartarus but it some how gets off easier then Tartarus, easily has the most wheel spinny story that goes literally nowhere until Nanako is kidnapped, Teddie is the worst mascot easily, character development is locked to social links so after getting a new party member they stay the exact same in the story regardless of how they are developed in their SL, worst velvet attendent. It gets good in November but for me that's too long, take it with a grain of salt when I say it's the worst of the 3 nu ones I still like it, just not as much.

You can literally ignore encounters of your choice to a greater degree in P5 with the cover and sneaking system retard. P3’s dungeons are the worst in the series and the stupid shadow blob enemies are trash. P2 dungeons are way better despite being made 6 years earlier.

Lol if you are taught even half of the questions in the game in actual school, your education must've been mediocre at best. Most of them are fun facts. Knowing the answers would never help you in the real world. Irl you need to learn about the causes and repercussions of the French revolution, in the game you need to know the inventor of the guillotine was a doctor.
I love the game but the questions are clearly meant to be something most people won't already know.

The fuck happened to you? I really like persona 5 it surpassed my expectations even, but if you think it's flawless your insane. Now quit projecting you flaming autist.

It's absurdly slow paced.

They skip like 3-4 months of the year and the fact that they dropped having to actually run to the treasure on the last day kind of ruined the feel for it a bit
Everything to do with burger king, too

By that logic P2's dungeons are better than fucking P5's and P4's especially since the designs/complexity go to shit by the time of Futaba's dungeon fucko.

My only issue with her is that she is a little too moe for my tastes. Other than that, there is nothing wrong with her.

It's somehow worse than 3.

she should have stayed as a haughty ojou-sama

It's not P3.

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It’s almost too good

You mean except for the fact she doesn't get an arc because of the fight and she is literally useless to the group?

P3fags and Nocturnefags are the same. They both have shit taste but somehow believe they have good taste for liking the most bland entry in their respective series.
This

Most of the complaints in this thread is stuff that P5R could end up fixing.

Nocturne was great though, it's atmosphere is unparalleled to other smt games. IV has the best soundtrack out of any game I've played though.

P2’s dungeons are decent but not as good as P5’s, you would have to be delusional to believe that. P5 has the best dungeons in the series.
Based

The fact that you refuse to admit that not everyone likes P5 seems to tell me you have a really shallow interest in the damn games you play since apparently you attach your own identity to the quality of the damn game and how others think of the game.

Go. To. Bed.

Who gives a fuck, not every character has to go through a transformation, for fuck’s sake.

Cringe

if p3 is so great, why do you consider its gameplay a waste of time?

The part where it is a shitty Persona game instead of a mainline SMT.

SMT IV and Digital Devil Saga are better. I count DDS because Nocturnefags are so retarded they usually mean MegaTen minus Persona when they say Nocturne is the best SMT.

>50% of the game is filler
>story pacing is garbage
>combat system is dumbed down and easy even on higher difficulties
>romantic relationships never get to the good part
>characters are mostly boring anime archetypes, nothing new

Game goes downhill after the first palace.

WHAT PART OF RANDOM ENCOUNTERS GET BORING TO A POINT. ESPECIALLY IN PERSONA GAMES THAT DON'T FUCKING BOTHER CHANGING THE DAMN BATTLE THEMES OR MIX THEM UP.

>Persona 2
That’s not even a real game

They gave best girl (ohya) bonuses so bad it would be better if they did nothing.

We've seen them change around some of the palaces, I really hope they fix up burger king's or if they really wanted to push it, change all of them around quite a bit so they go with their original heist angle

>literally copy pasting Yea Forums drone opinions
I can tell you haven’t even played the game.

Cringe

it's on playstation

>THAT DON'T FUCKING BOTHER CHANGING THE DAMN BATTLE THEMES OR MIX THEM UP.
oh no how will we ever deal with having to listen to good music?
it's better than BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY BABY too, but that's still an ok song regardless

Wasn’t a fan of most of the characters, nor the story.

Nah if we're talking best Megaten then that's DeSu Overclocked or DDS2 but out of mainline I like nocturne the best.

idk, i never got bored with random encounters in 4 or 5. only got fed up with them at times in 1 and 2 because of the encounter rates. 3 is just boring as fuck in all aspects.

i literally own the steelbook edition and bought the game day 1, i also never visit persona threads on Yea Forums, maybe these opinions are being "copy pasted" because they are facts and legit flaws of the game.

Retarded fanboy.

WHERE’S
MY
SWITCH PORT

Persona 5:

Pros:
>100+ hours of content in a casual blind run
>gorgeous graphics and UI
>combat is so streamlined that you don't get bored
>even though it's less challenging, you fight more battles and stay in dungeons longer due to being more engaged as battles end faster
>mindblowing soundtrack of hit after hit with full vocals on almost every song, from Beneath the Mask to Rivers in the Desert it's just a nonstop eargasm

Cons:
>the plot just exists but never once rises above your expectations. everything is spelled out to you repeatedly so you are never surprised. the idea of drugs causing you to 'forget' certain events, to maintain the dramatic tension for the player was very cool though, that part impressed me
>final boss is kind of lame (the chalice was honestly more cool than his full form which looked cheap and flimsy)
>you solve the problem and defeat the culprit of the plot in exactly the same way as persona 3 and 4. it is as bog standard as it gets
>nobody wants to admit this but the romance scenes in this game suck ass and are not satisfying at all. the dialogue for most of your potential waifus barely becomes any more overtly affectionate or intimate than during their preceding Confidant.
>you can fuck every single girl in the game including your teacher your doctor and a dozen others but your ONLY consequence for doing this is still just a scene played for yucks that still doesn't show any respect for the girls' feelings being stomped on. especially when they open up to you about some really personal shit in the process of dating you. it makes everything joker does feel really hollow and shitty when you cheat. doesn't fit with the game imo, another lame carryover from p3 and 4, with only 4 so far actually making you feel like dogshit for cheating or rejecting the girls

overall it is still the best one so far in gameplay terms though

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Haru's social link should have been available at the start of the game (i.e. gardening club) with the plot related SL levels locked out till after she joins

Combat is baby tier difficulty
The game takes 100+ hours and ur not challenged in any of those

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>Not every character has to get development they can sit there and be dead weight
Astounding argument

>>the plot just exists but never once rises above your expectations
It's not exactly new but i felt they handled their "teens beat god witht he power of friendship" cards well
reminded me of this kino

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>Combat is baby tier difficulty
*blocks your path*

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I died more in Persona 5 than I did in shit games like Super Metroid or SOTN.

I died more in Persona 5 than in Nocturne.

Its only flaw is being too good for the unwashed masses and contrarian brainlets of Yea Forums

Yeah! Why actually bother writing a character when she can just sit around and have no personality instead.

Development in not the same thing as a character arc.

You at least got charm whenever you hung out with her at least.

Haru has neither of which

Aside from the obvious flaws that are inherent to Persona (shit high school setting, mediocre gameplay compared to mainline SMT, etc), there is:

>We Live In A Society tier story
>When on longer that it should
>Joker looks like a faggot
>Meme tier presentation

Bonus point:

>Cancerous fanbase

It’s the best Persona overall by far.

It doesn't help that Merciless actually fucks the damage values so much with all your crits/weakness that while if you got hit it's instant death, it makes clearing enemies already easier and Baton pass makes the entire focus about knocking an enemy down and giving the last baton pass to your hardest hitter.

I actually think that just tells me you're just shit at Persona in general.

Persona 5 is hard if it’s your first Persona. Especially in Kamoshida’s palace.

>Skips all the fights in P3
Have fun with the boss fucking you up lol

Too much talking

Normie shaming for not being an incel who plays video games all day. Cool.

the game is boring, having a job and shit is fun
is it not out on switch? joker is literally in smash

believe it or not, the industry does not revolve around your party game's roster.

This game is easy as fuck, even on the extra downloadable difficulty. Especially when you get the SP recovering equippable items.

Yes, Joker, the main protagonist of the latest entry in the Etrian Odyssey franchise, exclusively on the Nintendo 3DS line of consoles, is in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

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Im on my first playthrough (through emulation) and the only thing that gave me trouble is the Madarame Boss. Maybe it helps that my favorite game of all time is also turn-based, Darkest Dungeon

let me count the ways:
>as per usual for persona games, the bad guy comes out of fucking nowhere
>some of the social links are just literal trash
>you can exploit spawn rates and chain battles to get really overleveled really quick, really easily
>the Knowledge, Guts, Proficiency, Kindness, Charm "system" is just player gating of the most transparent and boring kind
>the script was obviously translated by a Japanese company, as they kept all the Japanese honorifics and sometimes the dialog comes out sounding off
> combat dialog gets repetitive REALLY FAST, "one enemy on the floor! bonafide monafide" with no way to shut it off
>the last few months are incredible uneventful
>the stealth system is jank as all fuck
>mementos is aids, when you make tartarus from persona 3 look better by comparison , you fucked up, big time
>some character arcs feel incomplete and pointless, Morgana's story is resolved really badly for example
>sound design is just bad, for fucks sake what game still uses royalty free cartoon stock sound effects?
there are many, many more that come to mind, but i'm to lazy to type
>TL;DR
the game is incredibly pretty, but the core game systems are shallow at best,story starts strong but ends up really fucking weak and cliche, the music is great but overall sound design is really fucking bad

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Nocturne has a better story the IV though, it's minimalist but IV peaks at the Tokyo reveal (which is a strong fucking moment) but it really needed to beef up the group of samurai's more.

IV's story is leagues better than Nocturne, Nocturne has no story other than muh reasons which they just shove in your face hamfistedly after dungeons.

>the industry does not revolve around your party game's roster.
Yea Forums would have you think otherwise, it's definitely by far the most talked about thing ont he internet

When did I ever say that? Like holy shit, the games aren't even that hard unless you play on the difficulties where the game actively CHEATS against the mechanics you have access to mitigate risk.

>decided to try this out last week having never played a persona game and not really knowing what to expect
>about 15 hours in
>85% of the game is just fucking dialogue
people shit on western games for being overly cinematic but its okay when gooks turn theirs into visual novels?

>15 hours in
So where are you in the story?

Nocturne's focusing on the demi fiend wandering around the vortex world as you decided which reason to fight for, it's minimalist but it's well executed, it's more about the loliness of the vortex world and you being alone with your thoughts then anything. IV has stronger highes but I have more issues, Walter and Johnathan are completely unaffected by blasted and infernal Tokyo, Isabeu is easily the worst neutral rep, the law and chaos route is presented no less bluntly then reasons. I like it but I like a smaller well executed story more then a more traditional one with good highs but some bad lows.

>the soundtrack (it was the one redeeming factor of 3 and 4 but they couldnt even get that right)
>the characters
>the writing
>the story
>the vn shit
>the negotiation system
>the dungeon design
>the balance
>the interface
>literally has the perfect setup for nyarly and has a literally who final boss instead

Probably just me being lazy but I hate how grindy it feels

without spoilers, are the palaces after futaba's good?

Yes
You're only going to find whiny retards on Yea Forums
That said, there's a lot The Royal should fix, mainly to do with side events and general pacing

I think they are pretty good.

Yes, the port is out on Switch. But it's called "Fire Emblem Three Houses" instead.

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The best palace is after Futaba’s, but also the worst. So.

I'm on the palace right after futaba and so far is the worst one, the bank palace was pretty boring too for me

too easy to get to max level

Its on PS3

the boring ass stretch between beating Futaba's palace and infiltrating Sae's palace

The second half

>>the soundtrack (it was the one redeeming factor of 3 and 4 but they couldnt even get that right)
0/10 didn't even try

but P5 is a friend simulator! what's better than hanging out with friends every day?

>playing any persona game that isn't 1
fucking casuals

>Not playing those two only
Fucking casuals I swear

>Atlus is autistic about platform loyalty
SMT3 released on a Sony console, but not SMT4. Upper management at Atlus is brainless, that’s the real explanation.

I sure like braindead puzzles user just to travel in a straight line, oh and I hope you like facing minibosses all the damn time for no reason other than to help pad out this Palace even longer.

No meaning, too grindy to be fun, bad interpretation of an already not-too-good script, cheesy and cliche anime antics, quality plummets, doesn't follow its own universe's rules consistently, harem bullshit
It's not a perfect game

Everything after the Fourth Palace.

>too grindy
what the fuck? you can beat the game by running past enemies

The game is starting to drag a bit for me, I'm on Haru's father palace. Futaba's was great, but the enemies and design of this palace I'm on right now is so fucking boring, at least I reached level 9 with Takemi and I told her that I love her

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when you don't gain confidant levels

Don’t worry. The best palace in the game is after that one.

What are you talking about
The soundtrack is absolute garbage, even for Meguro fare. Like 3/4's werent great soundtracks but they were "fun", 5's was legit unbearable
I was barely able to make it through the first dungeon, what the fuck is this shit supposed to convey? youtu.be/om0qoHK8alI
Atlus was big on the PS2, but other than that I dont think any SMT games (or non-Persona MT games for that matter) were released for playstation outside of remakes (there were the SMT 1/2/If... PSX ports, Soul Hackers PSX port, Devil Summoner PSP port off the top of my head).

Kamoshida was too good of a villain and the rest are disappointing as a result.

FPBP

The gameplay pacing is really my only complaint, most of the days make me feel like im stuck in a long tutorial where i can't do much, and when it finally lets up I have too much free time and not enough to do, by the time I unlock more side content im back in tutorial mode.

Love the game though, hoping Royal really irons out the pacing.

>I was barely able to make it through the first dungeon, what the fuck is this shit supposed to convey?
I dunno, laid back music for a level 1 exploration thing? It's not anything phenomenal but it's fine.
youtube.com/watch?v=RepXOI13fVI
A lot of the palace themes are pretty good but you're right that that isn't anything to write home about.

It’s supposed to sound groovy, sleazy, and trippy? You have shit taste.

jrpg

Laid back music for a rapist who is trying to ruin your life?
But that doesnt fit in with the theme of the palace at all retard.
Its like if this was played in the leadup to the YHVH fight in SMT2 youtu.be/X6Di5RLEAuU

>doesn’t fit with the theme of the palace
>it’s the palace of lust and it has the most trippy shit happening where you can see the school sometimes

>Laid back music for a rapist who is trying to ruin your life?
All of the antagonists are trying to ruin your life, I don't really see why that affects what the music is.
>Its like if this was played in the leadup to the YHVH fight in SMT2 youtu.be/X6Di5RLEAuU
you say that as if it's a bad thing, that'd actually not be too bad

Good post.

I can only hope they'll be wise enough to cut most if not every scene with the unnamed SIU director, among others, in the Royal. I doubt they'll do much about deadend max links however: it's supposed to encourage you to diversify your connections, which is a strong theme in the last three games, but putting it like that still feels a little flimsy.

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The whole palace is goofy, retard. Kamoshida is wearing a pink thong and a cape. It’s not supposed to fill you with dread.

>Not dancing furiously on the way to kick YHVHs 4th dimensional ass
W E A K
E
A
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Shitty story
Weak character writing for about half the Confidants

Is Persona 5 in your top 30 games? If not, what are some games that are?

Padding and lack of events

No
There's one good one in that mix but the layout and visual design of most of them are weak as hell

>ending is great too if you’re not a brainlet. Most people who criticize P5 are brainlets who allowed a very straight forward story to go over their head.
It's shitty because it tries to be non-straight-forward and basically all of its twists fall flat because they are either very obvious or they rely on actively obfuscating key details to make sure the player doesn't know what's going on

>Shitty characters
>Watered down gameplay
>Shitty story
>Shitty localization
>Worst Persona
>Destroyed all it had going for it in R, aka the Persona designs.

The better question is what ISN'T a flaw?

The one after futaba's is the worst but the one after that is the best

Call me crazy, but I think Persona and mainline SMT will both go multiplat in the near future, even if it doesn't happen with the currently out consoles.

This
I actually liked Madarame but Kaneshiro was really weak, Futaba's shadow/Wakabe was weak, Okumura is weak, Sae is solid but Shido and Yaldy are shit

love 3 and 4. can't get into this one. I haven't been this hyped for a game in a long time too. Can't even understand why I'm not into it.

No
Katamari Damacy, The Witcher 3, A Link To The Past, Crusader Kings 2, Fallout New Vegas, Portal

Because it's trying too hard
it reminds me of the feeling I had playing P4G when the intro came on and it felt like the game was aware of the reputation it had.
P5 feels like that but it extends beyond the intro section and it sort of makes playing it feel less earnest and genuine

>Watered down gameplay
Compared to 3 and 4? When is the last time you played those games?

That's a point in its favor.

This is now a Persona 1 and 2 thread. Post one and 2 waifus and husbandos, favorite dungeons, tracks etc.

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MUH FUSION SPELLS

It's not
TWEWY, Xenogears, Chrono Trigger, FFXII (personal favorite, I don't even think it's objectively as good as 6 or 7), XB1, Titanfall 2, AC5
P5 was a strong contender before it came out but I basically stopped thinking about it after I beat it. Even games I only played once stuck in my memory past the playthrough

I'm mainly talking about the negotiation system from 1 / 2 / SMT. It has the worst one.

The artstyle. I've been hiding P5 threads ever since the game came out because the gradient angers me.

Eriko best girl first of all and I want to fuck the life out of Jun.
Can't remember which dungeon it was but there was this one in P2 that had the party split up and everyone was on different floors, I don't remember much but it was a really fun one to my recollection. Also the forest path to the shrine is really good.
No music comes to mind though, I liked it but not enough to ever actively seek it out.

Well then that music shouldn't be in any of the dungeons.
That music really does not scream lust to me. It would be an OK "hanging out at the base" song I GUESS, but as a dungeon theme its completely out of place
Kamoshida is still portrayed as a serious villain though.
Not my top 30, but 30 games Id put ahead of Persona 5 off the top of my head
>Dragon Quest Builders
>Deus Ex
>Fallout
>Dragon Quest V
>SMT II
>SMT If...
>Persona
>Persona 2: Innocent Sin
>Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
>KOTOR 2
>FFV
>Yakuza 0
>Shadow Tower
>Crazy Taxi
>Ys Origins
>Megami Tensei II
>Dragons Dogma
>Sleeping Dogs
>F.E.A.R.
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R. SOC
>S.T.A.L.K.E.R. COP
>KOF XIV
>Valkyria Chronicles 3
>Phantasy Star Portable 2
>EDF5
>Jack Bros
>Elevator Action Returns
>Policenauts
>SNK Gals Fighters
>Itadaki Street 30th Anniversary
>E.Y.E.
>Gravity Rush
>Gravity Rush 2
>428
>Starless
>Max Payne
>Tales of Hearts R
>Pathologic
>Dragons Crown
>Warriors Orochi 4
>VA-11 HALL-A
>Shiren The Wanderer
Thats more than 30 but whatever

Va11 halla's a really good game but I probably wouldn't say it's better than p5.
GR2 and Yakuza 0 though, maybe.

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That’s actually being removed in P5R.

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I cant date joker

Its a JRPG.

>Find. A. Single. Flaw.
The waifus aren’t real.

I think my honest disappointment with 5 is that it goes FULL SHOUNEN ANIME during Shido onwards. The calling card scene made me laughing out of embarrassment. Phantom thieves kept circlejerking each other way too much imo as well.

Smash isn't as important as you think it is.

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Dumping Lotus Juice from the main soundtrack just so a jazz negress could get in

The correct argument.

>Dumping a bad musician for a good singer
sounds good to me

>I think my honest disappointment with 5 is that it goes FULL SHOUNEN ANIME during Shido onwards. The calling card scene made me laughing out of embarrassment.
I take it you didn't like 100% approval rating then?

Not really. No.
That was another scene where I was laughing through it. It was so hammy and cheesy for this game.

They didn't dump him, the aesthetic they were going for didn't need rap. They still got him for both PQ games and that's good enough.

Play 3 and 4 before trying to have an opinion, weebshit

>lotus juice
>bad in any capacity
Please say sike bro

>Calling others weebshit when talking about persona 3 and 4
that's a funny joke

>Only fun for the first playthrough
>Too reliant on storytelling rather than having fun mechanics
>Most palace bosses can't be defeated or have any real damage done to them until a point where a piece of story happens and they become beatable
>Kamoshida was one of the best palaces with personal motivations and story beats but happened at the start
>Combat is too reliant on exploiting elemental weakness
>Morgana

>>Morgana
he's an annoying shit but I never heard any of the combat barks people complain about because I benched him as soon as it was possible, I don't see why they kept him on their team

Reddit loves ironic weeb trash like persona 5 though.

>Find. A. Single. Flaw.

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>negress
she’s japanese?? the fuck?

She just sounds like someone you'd find in "soul" music so retards think she's black.

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Having a cup for a final boss is dumb.

>5 hours of fucking cutscenes
>finally get to explore a dungeon
>it's pretty simplistic but I guess it is the first one
>save before the boss room so I can come back the next day, reasoning that I should be at full strength before facing the boss
>as soon as I enter the boss room it tells me I have to wait another day so I just waited my fucking time
>fight him, ezpz
>3 more hours of cutscenes before anything happens
>apparently that was the best dungeon in the game too
bailed out at that point

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>>apparently that was the best dungeon in the game too
what retard told you that
the best dungeon is the middle one

Why do people complain about cutscenes in a story heavy game?

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because they're retards
anyway I forgot how many they were, it's the 6th of 8th so it's not really the middle

>as soon as I enter the boss room it tells me I have to wait another day so I just waited my fucking time
It’s not the games fault you’re retarded.

I kept him around because he gets a party heal whilst Ann could only single target heal.

I mean, you could be the healer.

If I needed any serious healing I just used joker, and then later makoto

Except you are given no information that suggests you need to wait a day before hitting the final boss, and their arena room is heavily telegraphed.

In a good JRPG like DQ11 you're not told to come back after you've fully healed.

I just started the game thanks to a friend who lets me go to his place to play on his PS4 and so far it's ok but I have the same problem as with P4, the beginning is too long. I've played 5 hours, just got Ann as a playable character and I'm still in the tutorial with almost only cutscenes and stupid dialogues where Morgana says something and Ryuji just repeats it with a interrogation mark.

It's Persona, the only plot twist that wasn't completely obvious was Adachi because he was just that forgettable in P4 vanilla.

Except that Morgana fucking says to you that you need to establish a route to the treasure first and then send a calling card.

Most of the character's arcs ends after their palace so they're reduced to just another voice in the cutscenes.
Most of the character arcs are identical to begin with. "I'm oppressing you" "Oh yeah? Well I'm rebelling!"
Still uses Persona's inferior gameplay mechanics instead of adopting more elements from SMT.
Haru and Yusuke could be cut out of the story and nothing would actually change.
Haru as a whole is a flaw. She didn't even think to question the rest of the group or even care after her Dad died.
Morgana and Futaba are the most annoying JRPG party members period. Morgana because he is a pathetic piece of shit with no backbone, and Futaba because of her le epin Reddit speech.
They tried too hard to make Akechi redeemable, even though he literally murdered some of the party member's parents, and potentially more innocent people.

Also, it will become an objectively inferior game in a few months time when the better version comes out. Fuck Shatlus.

>Haru and Yusuke could be cut out of the story and nothing would actually change.
Yusuke's an actually good character though, and haru could have maybe been one if they didn't add her in so late.

Think what you want about Yusuke. But would the story as a whole change much if he and his arc was cut out?

Cringe

Some people like turn based though. I like being able to sit around smoke cigarettes, surf the internet, drink, and do heroin at the same time I play RPGs. Action RPGs aren't what everyone wants.

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>But would the story as a whole change much if he and his arc was cut out?
about as much as any other character's
they're all "this guy's a dick to X character and other people, fuck him up" and then most of them have some sort of tie to later events

Futaba's palace is the best one, the casino palace or the second palace comes in second for me, kamoshida's is right after, the rest were pretty good still except the bank one kinda sucked.

Yusuke is the voice of reason on the team besides Makoto. But Makoto is a hard-ass. He basically takes charge when he’s introduced and tells Ryuji to shut up about the Phantom Thieves. He also helps Futaba open up more than anyone else. Just because he isn’t ground breaking to the story doesn’t mean he’s not important.

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If you don't like turn-based gameplay then don't play a turn-based game.
There's nothing inherently wrong with action combat obviously but I generally much prefer turn based

>implying you can't just see the fucking answer by hitting the network button

Really?

I'm about to start playing this soon. What am I in for Yea Forums? I generally don't like Japanese games, but I'm determined to play this until I finish it.

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do you mean p5 or that
they're both pretty good

Turn based if enjoyable because it lets you really consider your moves. Make it more like playing chess or something.

Obviously the combat has to be sufficiently complex for turn based to be at its most effective.

>Why do people complain about cutscenes in a story heavy game?

Because overwrought writing and absolutely exhausting. There isn't *more story*, either, there's just endless repetition of the same excessive exposition. You could *EASILY* cut the word count in half and miss nnnnothing. Even so, you don't want to start skipping ahead in the dialogue bits, because tucked in there may be some new tiny nugget of info, and once you start skipping story it's a slippery slope to just stop caring, too.

Most games manage to tell a better story with just a few hours of cutscenes than Persona 5 does with 50 hours of cutscenes.

To say nothing of the awful dialogue and voice acting.

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I mean ni no kuni. I couldn't get into P5.

the issue with meme images like this is that i can't even tell what they're complaining about in most of it
abominous isn't a word and they had a typo in one of morgana's texts, but I don't understand what the rest of the image is for

Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl! Ayase is best girl!

>and voice acting.
Only a complaint for the english dub because the JP dub is flat out phenomenal. If you played it with english voices that's your problem, and it's a mental one.

>choice lines in the thousands of lines of dialogue
>”awful dialogue”

>phenomenal
Man I fucking hate seiyufags. SASUGA JOKA NEKO JA NE XDD

>image doesn't even point out how many times people say things are "worth" instead of "worth it" in the game
None of this other shit bugged me much but that drove me up the fucking wall. Nobody just says half of a phrase like that.

>doesn't repsect fucking Pikachu's voice actress
This is borderline criminal. She knows what she's doing.

have you never met a teenager?

>>image doesn't even point out how many times people say things are "worth" instead of "worth it" in the game
>Nobody just says half of a phrase like that.
are you merely pretending to be retarded?

>the issue with meme images like this is that i can't even tell what they're complaining about in most of it

If you think a line like 'Uh, that's exactly the case' in response to a simple yes/no question is normal English, I'm not sure what alternate universe you came from. Almost all of the dialogue in Persona 5 rings false because of weird the sentence structure and grammar choices are.

This also harms characterization, since the characters' speech and mannerisms similarly feel phoned-in.

Makoto.

No teenager I've ever met cuts off the phrase 'worth it' like a drooling moron
The fuck are you talking about?

This is what I fucking mean. Seiyufags are obsessed with the previous work they’ve done and not the here and now. Mona sounds like an old woman.

What's wrong with Makoto?

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No, he sounds like a personified small animal, and it's because that actress knows how to do a convincing voice of that variety. Meanwhile english morgana sounds like... a teenage girl?

>If you think a line like 'Uh, that's exactly the case' in response to a simple yes/no question is normal English
It's not an insanely common response but yes if the situation would fit it's a fine response
Of all the weird shit in the game you choose the one expression that explicitly has seen a lot of usage? Don't try to blame your ignorance as someone else's fault

Nobody on this planet has ever just said worth instead of worth it.

>Nobody on this planet has ever just said worth instead of worth it.
You're either very stupid or pretending to be and either way I hope you stop.

English Mona sounds like a little boy. It makes his weird lust for Ann less creepy IMO.

The game is about phantom thieves, it had to be over the top at some point. Have you not watched Cat's Eyes?

He sounds like a 8 year old boy

I'm neither, if you've heard it it has to be some stupid regional thing because I flat out have not heard anybody say that in my fucking life.

are you people braindead?
smash is a nintendo party game, why would a character who isnt on any nintendo consoles be in it

Well it was popular enough to be in a handful of cartoons over the past 15 or so years, so whatever your criteria for that is.
Are you a bong or something?

how old are you?

Midwest USA
22

Well I'm 4 years older than you so I don't really know if that's just an age gap thing or what, but I can assure that it was very common for a time.
I don't really know if it is right now but it would certainly fit in with current teen culture and especially with some of the phantom thieves.

I did. But this was way too much for the tone they wanted to go for. It was so jarring.

There's your flaw. Fuck ATLUS's weird Playstation fetish.

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SEETHING

The Phantom Thieves are supposed to have been around the same age I was in the year their game takes place I'm the same age as Makoto I think? Maybe I'm one year older. The game is set in 2016 regardless., so I'm more inclined to think it's just a west coast thing if it really wasn't an oversight, since it's apparently been in cartoons too according to .

I've barely started the game and I was looking forward to seeing a lot of over the top shit but the story with Kamoshida the sex pest is just too real, I admit I can see why it's jarring to some people. But it's really just a matter of expectation, I'd find it hard to take the completely characters seriously when they look like cosplayers on their way to the latest anime convention.

>so I'm more inclined to think it's just a west coast thing if it really wasn't an oversight,
well i'm from louisiana and I saw it quite a lot

Literally only Hashino's games come to PS, it's not an Atlus thing. Hell now that he's stepping down as the director it's completely up in the air as to which console P6 will be on. If the next generation of consoles is as big a shitshow as they appear to be with all the talk about everything being streaming only, then we may be looking at either a really late PS4 exclusive or even a Switch game.

it's not for me. i don't really like incredibly story heavy games, so some of it's supposed "best qualities" are exhausting to me. i also don't like how much attention it's getting considering sega has a hundred other great IPs that are laying dormant.

>ATLUS'
*Hashino's

>Tedious as shit
>Unlikeable cast
>Overstays its welcome
>Another MUH BAD ADULTS plot

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anyone who unironically says MUH BAD ADULTS is a brainlet or just didn’t play the game

both, usually

>what is meme elephant

The soundtrack really isn't that great, Meguro has better stuff like DDS.

You can't make Mishima yout submissive cumslut and force him into a Kamoshida roleplay.

>no Yusuke romance
It's shit! SHIT!

I can't. This and Bloodborne are my favorite ps4 titles.

>not healing him with the power of the dick instead

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seething toddler

This is a huge problem. I want to make Mishima my sissy slut. He'd enjoy it too because he was the boy who was getting bullied by the sadist girl.

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You can’t date best girl Ryuji because Japs are anti-gay

>plot happens
>you do absolutely nothing but go to sleep because for some reason you just can't do confidants even though you did nothing and the game can't fucking tell you what you did during the day and what you didn't and should've had the option to go out at night to do something while the fucking plot is going on

he has narcolepsy

He will

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Fucking ABYSMAL pacing. Seriously ruins the whole game.
dumbed down dungeon design, combat system

You are a man of culture and truly understand the character of Mishima. I think he was put to the game just to show the western audience that japanese "men" secretly wish to submit to the superior, white aryan penis.

you can play it perfectly on the pc

>very straight forward story
It's a terrible story bro. It's on par with some of the worst anime I've ever seen. P3 and 4 are citizen kane in comparison.

>I'm a 12 years old, tasteless, edgy nigger
We know.

BRUH LOOK AT THE TOP OF THIS DUDE’S HEAD

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>Find. A. Single. Flaw.
You like it.

I fiddled around with the emulator but i keep having annoying fluctuations between 20-30 FPS

so does Yea Forums

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Haru doesn't have enough screen time

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What the fuck is this? It looks like a list of ingredients on a makeup package.

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this games makes Yea Forumsirgins ASSBLASTED because it' a weeb game that isn't cumbra*ned
stay mad faggots :^)

>game is too fucking long
>story is trash
>the zoomer character cast
Shit got so boring I dropped the game for 1.5 years then picked it back up to beat it. Persona 1 is unironically better because it’s short and to the point.

they're games (figures a p5trannoid doesn't know what that is)

I was talking about the fact that you can't even use a keyboard to make your list readable.

Dude
Write your list
Like this
So it's
Legible

fpbp

I find it harder to find a single quality, actually.
Uhh... the dungeons and battle system aren't quite as bad as earlier Persona games?

jap shit, gameplay is trash; combat is trash, "muh glorious nippon high school simulator where i have friends and a GF" is trash. not really a game, more like a VN with a few "minigames" that could be faithfully recreated in Microsoft Excel. all this might be tolerable if it were written well, but the "story" and "writing" are irredeemable vapid weeb shit that aggressively push neo-feminism.

>b-but that's just the translation!

that's not true. even if it were, a shitty translation is a glaring flaw, as the majority of the people who read it will not be japanese.

also the visuals are disgusting, animation is stiff, soundtrack repetative shit. on a purely technical level it would be insulting for a SNES or C64 game. On a "gameplay" level Tic-Tac-Toe is more enjoyable, thoughtful, and complex; and on a "writing and story" level it makes Twilight look like Lord of the Rings by comparison.

It's made for weeaboos that unironically believe "anything anime is good by default". In other words, its market is for American incels. But I guess creating the illusion of social acceptance reduces tha probability that you'll steal your dad's old revolver for your "day of retribution" where you go to school and break your wrist firing two shots that wildly missing any actual humans, but still causing some property damage. So that's sort of a redeeming factor.

Only the most retarded of retards would disagree.

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