Just trained a new employee to later find out they were my replacement. I have a really good work ethic...

>they'll say you quit out of nowhere and left them open to damages and shit
I'm near 100% that would be illegal and that user could sue them over it

>licking the boots of the Jews that spit on you
You're part of the problem

Get justice. Strike out at them in some way.

make your own business if you think you're above the system, it's always been arranged to make the worker miserable and boss richer, you being naive is the real problem

When a prospective employer calls to talk to your previous manager, the only things they are allowed to ask are what your duties were, and whether you performed them adequately.
Your previous manager is legally NOT ALLOWED to give un-requested information, cannot say anything negative about you unless it is required to answer a question that was asked, and must tell you if they took such a call and you ask them.
This is in America, and only outside of at-will employment states however.

>but was unreliable outside of work
What the hell does that mean.

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>Manager transfers over
>Doesn't like me
>Tries to get rid of me
>Main manager says not a fucking chance
>Later tells me about it
>mfw she knows I know that she's stuck with me and my bullshit

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just shoot up the office, problem solved then they'll finally have a good reason to have fired you

What the second guy said. If you're worried that your old job may be giving negative information about you like this, have a colleague or friend call them and inquire about you as if they were your prospective employer. Have them record the phone call and you have an easy lawsuit on your hands if they are.

>that feel when you were so hard to replace after firing that they asked for you back

That hack job really threw you didn't they?

>post nu-prey garbage
I would post some good vidya but the game's forcing me to listen to hour long fag dyke audiologs

W-what kind of guys do you like?

>*Hits pipe*

I bet when there's a liberal around you also defend corporations and free markets. Get lost retard.

Is there a reason why this faggot is still not banned?

What would you choose in opposition to the free market other than your whining and wishing you did it first?

your new employer is allowed to call your old one and ask about you
retards

is this the guy that feeds you and locks you in a cage?

>San Francisco
not a chance

The fact that with all the desperate pathetic fucktard beta incels on Yea Forums you still keep looking for a bf means you must be an absolute fucking awful insufferable cunt to not even keep one of them around

I'm pretty sure this guy kills and eats people. Do not get involved.

>no recommendation letter
Just give them your friends number and tell them to lie lmao, most HR departments are stuffed with retarded Stacys or SJWs who realised their gender studies degree isnt worth shit. They aren’t smart enough to figure out your lying.

This is what I've always done. Me and my friends do this. We just use each other's numbers and act like each other's bosses. I've only ever gotten one call, but I was just vague and polite.

Was going to ask what the fuck 'unreliable outside of work' means, but there are already a bunch of anons wondering the same

I'm guessing he wasn't available outside of work hours? depending on the line of work bosses tend to request shit outside of your normal schedule all the time, when it becomes a nuisance you shut down your phone, ignore your emails etc and they can't reach you when they need you, and you just say that your phone was out of charge or some other bullshit so you don't get forced to work outside of your contract responsabilities.

That's what they usually do, neet-friend. But it's usually for resigning people. Really hurts for people getting fired AYLMAO.

Most likely he got calls or emails at night/on weekends and didn't respond to them.

And they're legally not allowed to speak anything defaming about you. They're only legally allowed to give almost binary responses.

>but was unreliable outside of work
We told you not to write "nigger nigger nigger" online with your personally identifiable acounts.

I thought that guy gave you a square deal tho? a cage below his bed and sex for food and money

War documentaries about America losing in Vietnam never fail to cheer me up.

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Same things happening to me right now. They hired a new guy to work "under" and "assist" me but I'm not retarded and know damn well they're looking to give me the boot and want to have me train him first since nobody else there knows shit about what I do.

I'm going to train him wrong as a joke.

>30 hours a week

Pathetic.

I don't know about OP, but if he also worked night shifts then I wouldn't ever pick up either. Fuck that stupid shit.

I'm from California and even I think you're a huge faggot.

Oldfag posting mandatory job knowledge for 2019:

Getting a job:

>On your CV always, ALWAYS put any race but white or Hispanic in high Hispanic pop. If you are white always put mixed. If anyone ever asks you (they won't) pick whatever dark race and Jewish.

>NEVER put you are disabled even if you are

>NEVER select the "choose to omit" option; HR will assume you are hiding something or worse white

>90% of companies won't do thorough background checks for entry-level positions, so don't worry if you don't have an education or not.

>Never accept their first offer of payment.

Women in the workplace:

>Do not reveal ANYTHING to them about yourself, even the nice ones. Even the ones that want to fuck you. They are able and will turn even minor shit against you. They are fucking MASTERS at this, and no, you won't be able to pick up on it.

>Do not take sides. Eventually, a woman will want you to take her side against another employee (usually another woman) at some point. REMAIN NEUTRAL. The moment you take a side you will immediately make yourself a target from all the other women in the office.

Standard Practices:

>If solely responsible for a code, program, whatever; lock that shit down. If coding makes sure to make any design you have set to expire at a certain amount of time until you correct the error. Try to make this as hidden as possible so only "you" know how to get the program to work.

>Never let ANYONE have access to your data or your computer. People will steal it if they get the chance.

>Keep a secret spreadsheet documenting every single odd workplace occurrence that happens to you and keeps that shit dated. This will allow you to keep leverage in case HR goes after you for whatever reason. Most people only report one-offs with no clear details; by showing them a report of what actually occurred and/or repeated behaviors of workplace "hostility" towards you with timestamps, HR will have to take your side.

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What's your resume look like?

Wimp Lo?

If you want my structure:

>CV
>Contact
>Profile Pic
>Summary/Statement
>Relevant Work Experience
>Skillsets Ranked from Most Profecient to Least
>Awards
>References

Two biggest mistakes I see people make is putting none relevant job info, or just flat out too much fucking info; some people have litreally 8 pages of resume and no sweetie I don't give a fuck about whatever you did in your second year of college.

I used to work at Lyft, Inc. now I work at Facebook. Btw, Facebook is one of the 10% that do do horseshit thorough background checks, so don't lie to them unless you want to get blacklisted.

Lyft doesn't check shit, however, so have at them.

>CV
Meant cover letter for that first one.

>unreliable outside of work
'murica

Rejoice, you are free. You wagies are fucked up, feeling bad because you don't have a master to slave away for.

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>they fired me
>I will fire them back
kino

It's not being a wagie that's the problem that people literally go out of their way to shit on you every chance you get. Retail you have to deal with boomers bitching at you, customer service you have to deal with some retard who can't operate their phone, office you have to deal with this shit It's fucking people. There's too many, and the majority of them are absolute scum.

>only "you" know how to get the program to work.
reminds me of how local city hall was trying to recruit someone with extremely specific qualifications few years ago
then they gave up and bought new program but the old programmer never got another job in the city

>If you're worried that your old job may be giving negative information about you like this

HR user here; the chances of this happening are incredibly unlikely, I legit wouldn't worry about it OP. In fact I don't know any major company that hasn't adopted the "start date-end date info only" policy when being reached out to for reference.

Also here's another life hack; if you quit, during your exit interview with HR tell them you are quitting due to an increasingly hostile environment and no longer feel welcomed at work. If they don't immediately offer you an alternative for quitting, then you can file for unemployment benefits. When the state calls them to ask why you left they HAVE to tell them you left due to a hostile work environment and they didn't offer any alternatives, and yes that shit is recorded. If it's not recorded State automatically will take your side. Just be aware it can take anywhere between 1 to 4 months before benefits to finally get approved.

Even if you deleted the post, you know the rules. Stream that movie if you are so great.

>but was unreliable outside of work.
What the fuck did you possibly do for this to be a reason to sack you.

Two scenerios I can think of.

a. user was meant to be on call and didn't answer his phone too many times.

b. He posted some stupid shit on social media.

For all those people who are now paid engineers, how the fuck do you go about getting work experience? All the "jobs" relevant to my field in town and surrounding areas are post graduate or require experience I need to get but can't get because they require experience.

>how the fuck do you go about getting work experience?

see

>90% of companies won't do thorough background checks for entry-level positions, so don't worry if you don't have an education or not.

Everyone just lies man. People cheat in college, people lie at work. Literally most of society does this; was the hardest pill for me to swallow growing up but once I did holy shit completely changed my perspective.

Even in at-will states all an employer can legally say is what your duties are and if they would rehire you (if they are asked). They are legally allowed to disclose not a damn thing more.

I did an apprenticeship
even if you fuck up you'll end up with 6 months or so of experience, if you stick it out til the end a job offer is likely as they won't want to have trained you up for no reason

>>If solely responsible for a code, program, whatever; lock that shit down. If coding makes sure to make any design you have set to expire at a certain amount of time until you correct the error. Try to make this as hidden as possible so only "you" know how to get the program to work.
Worst response ever. Anyone who follows this advice is not only asking to get fired, they are asking to get sued. The company (especially if it is government related) will absolutely find someone willing to be open, then they will sue the shit out of you for violating contractual duties and corporate sabotage. This type of Machiavellian shit will bite you in the ass, because while you think you are smart there are dozens of other people who are looking to tear you down.

Be so competent and knowledgeable of the program that management will not want to get replace. Don't be so secretive and depended on for bullshit reasons that management absolutely will target you for replacement.

>muh fear-mongering

You're one of those faggots who think you can get "blacklisted" from applying to too many places at once too aren't you?

Take your boomer myths elsewhere and fuck off. Companies don't give a shit about anything other than profit margins. They couldn't care less what their employees are doing so long as it doesn't make the company lose anything.

Actual mechanical engineer here. I did internships in school. Spoke to companies about full time hiring before I even started my senior year and had offers before my senior year started.

>If coding makes sure to make any design you have set to expire at a certain amount of time until you correct the error. Try to make this as hidden as possible so only "you" know how to get the program to work.

lol

how about you just get good and develop some pride in your profession

any programmer that attempts to lock themselves down to one company is retarded, you have a valuable skillset and everyone is desperate for programmers who are actually good (most aren't)

if you're working in a place that pisses you off or doesn't respect you and you know what you're doing, you just quit and have another job within the week

He didnt work extra unpaid hours outside of work in his spare time like a dog.

>>Keep a secret spreadsheet documenting every single odd workplace occurrence that happens to you and keeps that shit dated. This will allow you to keep leverage in case HR goes after you for whatever reason. Most people only report one-offs with no clear details; by showing them a report of what actually occurred and/or repeated behaviors of workplace "hostility" towards you with timestamps, HR will have to take your side.
Based Anai

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where do i learn this kind of stuff

This kind of shit is exactly why working a trade is 1000% better than anything. It'd be worth it even if you only got paid scraps just because you don't have to give up your entire life for those faggots.

from HR anons evidently

I literally don't give a shit, I get hired face to face, applications is for absolute plebs who have no idea how the world works

>boss back then caught me looking at prequel porn
>never mentioned it but started to question my use on the team
>few weeks later she gets fired by the boss over herself
Not proud but glad it all turned out fine.

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>boss caught me looking at porn
>get promoted to pusyslave

You were lazy and the other one was better. That's the beauty of the free market. Work harder next time.

>and when they call to know if you're reliable they'll say you quit out of nowhere and left them open to damages and shit.
Which is very, very illegal.

>race on CV
OOOH SAY CAN YOU SEEEE

>Two week vacation coming to an end on Tuesday
Don't wanna go back

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You can work a white collar office job and not have to put up with that shit.
Just don't be a pussy, stand your ground, and don't be a push over

He doesn't pick up the phone to come wageslave on Sundays.

I did a year in industry as part of university, some software engineering companies also offer working degrees for prospective younguns

>work a 55 hour week
>will have to work a 60 hour next week
>then probably an 80 hour

If you complain about a 40 hour wage cage you're a bitch nigga

>Don't live in a third world country
>Have legal protection against 60-hour work weeks

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37.5 hours is still too long, sorry you're a little stepped on bitch with no qualifications

>>work a 55 hour week
>>will have to work a 60 hour next week
>>then probably an 80 hour
What the fuck do you do and what country?

What's your job

companies think they fucking own people fuck them, work happens during work hours suck my dick

not even worth the money

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

"Hey there could we ask you to cancel your holiday we don't have enough people in this period"
>No and you're not legally allowed to even ask me that
"B-but we won't be able to finish this customer order'
>Well that's a shame we've been saying the team is understaffed for months now

And two months later I quit and took on a job with less hours, less pressure, more days off, but better monthly pay.

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I have a masters degree. I actually work less then some of my colleagues, I've never broken 90 hours although people I work with have.

>I have a masters degree.
What kind of Job do you do?

Public accounting, one of the most shit white collar jobs on the planet but the raises are insane, 10-15% for top performers.

>80 hours a week
>public accounting
What country is this?

You sound like a slave desu

America, most American posters are asleep becuase they are worthless neets but I get up at 5 every day

I don't know any accountants who regularly work more than 40 hours a week in New Zealand.

>be casual worker, shit job that i don't enjoy
>get told by my boss that he put my name in the hat for promotion
>this was a few months ago now and nothing has happened
Should i just assume it's not happening? I do nightfill which has a high turnover, it's honestly starting to feel like my boss just told me this to keep me from moving on like every good employee seems to do.

>80 hours a week
what’s even the point of wages if you don’t time to spend them? Like I’d understand maybe keeping at it for a few months and then quitting once you hoard enough, but still.

Kinda, you only have to suffer it for a few years then you can get a comfy corporate accounting job for six figs in almost any city in America.

You're supposed to intentionally train them wrong, idiots

stream it, if you are so great

>spending your wages

LOL @ poor people, the idea is that you save and invest enough so you can neet. You wage slave for the promise of freedom, spending ensures you remain a slave forever

Ya don't. I wish at school they would have a proper subject about how to deal with life shit. (starting age 16 best time. Most kids look forward to becoming 18 as they believe they'll be treated as adults... Which is a lie. So they'll be pretty interested in adult stuff. Unless they're from the country side, then they just wanna pull a Cameron and fuck a pig).
Replace geography, psychology or English literature with it and boom. You get children ready for the adult life and don't get swallowed up by the health discarding factory which is working life.

Good shit.

Yeah pretty much, expect those kind of promises to never materialise

Been off on family leave for a month and a half and go back Monday.

>what is asdan
Not sure if it still exists but it was a gcse that went over that kind of stuff but it was mostly the special needs that were studying it

>be me
>Went to school for music composition
>gf has an English degree and a horrible debt comparable to a doctor
>I've cobbled together about 42 hour work weeks by teaching lessons and preschool, from Monday to Saturday. Love it but it's a lot of work.
>Gf is working at a small marketing firm writing content for people's blogs.
>Perpetually stressed/anxious
>Our combined income is around $80,000
>Struggling because we live in an area where $100,000+ is the median income, but that's where our income is.

When does it end bros? I just want my gf and I to be happy and not stressed about money.

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No one works 90 hours a week. Even the idea of working 55 hours a week is questionable. You may be present and in your seat, but there's no fucking way you're actually doing work for 90 or even 60 hours a week.
The human brain can't perform analytical tasks for that span of time without sufficient breaks.
I'm a software developer and even a 8 hour work day is a stretch for doing the high level thinking I have to do.

>went to school for music

Good meme dude

I enjoyed it and my parents were both artists. I did just get paid for a commission, so I'm not a deadbeat like most other musicians.

Apply anyway. Sure, they'd prefer people with experience, but there's few enough of those that many will be happy to hire qualified fresh graduates willing to learn on the job. After two years you'll count as experienced and then you're set.

A lot of accounting isn't high level analytics, EY will set people up in hotels to do audits and they will work 100 hours. You can say no one works that much but the work gets done and on time one way or another. I've done an entire tax return start to finish at the tail end of a 70 hour week at 23:00 on a Saturday. It got reviewed and I didn't make any mistakes. Sure, when you are exhausted shit takes longer but it gets done.

>When does it end bros?
When you realise you can get off the retard treadmill, move somewhere cheaper and work for yourself

found the Burger

That's why you delete all the documentation you made yourself before leaving

Yeah, you've said what i pretty much feel but it's good to hear that I'm not just being petulant or anything.
It has been months and it has not been mentioned, the thing is i would not have given a fuck if he asked me to do these things on my bottom rung wage.
My boss is cool but i've seen him lie to upper management so i wouldn't put it past him to lie about a promotion if it means i'll do some of the work that he is supposed to be doing.

Working on it. It's kind of a trap, not having a lot saved up, and then having to build a studio up again from scratch. I only have two of my own students, the music school I work for is a local business and doesn't fuck me over with the cut they take, and they've found about 16 students for me.

It still happens off the books.

>It got reviewed and I didn't make any mistakes
Let me guess, the reviewer took a look at it after midnight at the end of a 100 hour work week :^)
>looks good bro, neither I nor my hallucinations found any errors

>Employed to do lockup at a worksite mornings and nights
>Told to expand my duties to checking an unused hanger. No extra pay.
>One morning I find the hanger was broken into by kids. Report it and police arrive.
>Cops and the hanger's owner are right next to me when my boss calls and tells me to lie to them and say I was doing a third patrol in the middle of the night.

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This.
I have a team of 10 programmers and only 1 of them is actually competent, with a second one being "adequate" sometimes.
If you can write quality code and actually show up for work, you are golden.

Good on you to do what you love man. You're getting better every day.

Just don't be a piece of shit and you nothing to worry about.

This fucking shit right here...
>on call for the month
>12 hour nights
>get in at 8am
>phone call at 9am
>"uuuh can you cover the day"
this is why i quit work and live in mmos

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How do I tell I'm adequate, competent, or not?

Do you actually make your deadlines?
Do you accurately test and check your code as you go (as opposed to checking the whole god damn thing at the very end)?
Does your code look clean or does it look like an export from Pagemaker 2003?

You actually get short listed more often by not disclosing your race/gender/religion on applications.

HR has to assume you are some nigerian tranny jihadi and short list you to avoid discrimination accusations

Yes to the first.
I'm not sure I understand. I don't run the whole test suite after every change I make, but I compile and run the project when I've done something to see whether it works.
Code looks clean, I guess.

When you or someone else has to go back to code you wrote previously and add features, is it easy or a pain that requires a lot of rewrite?
Are there bug reports in your code months after release?
Do you follow best practices?
Do you know the best practices for your language?
Do you know what best practices ARE?

>I'm a software developer and even a 8 hour work day is a stretch for doing the high level thinking I have to do
Bullshit

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>HR will assume you are hiding something or worse white

Yeah, youre delusional

I was trained wrong for my current job for the same reason. If this shit was happening to anyone but me it would be hilarious.

I haven't experienced a release yet, maybe it will turn out I fucked up massively somewhere.
>Do you follow best practices?
No. I try, but that's not worth much.
>Do you know the best practices
Not by heart, that's why I don't follow them.

It's an incredibly common practice. They usually don't tell you, in case you retaliate by quitting and leave them with nobody who knows how to do the job.

>There is a course that teaches people to be adults.
>Aimed at special needs kids who dont even care and leech off healthcare anyways.

Fuck the education system sometimes.

>t. code monkey

This. I remember when I was a high school science teacher. In early May, during my planning period, the P and VP walked right into my classroom with some other guy, and they just showed him around the classroom and chemistry lab while I was in there. Didn't even acknowledge me.

>tfw scientist working 40-45 hour weeks with every second Friday off
Frankly that Friday off is necessary given all the horseshit I have to deal with at work

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Penis straightener

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EU fag here. If my company fires me they need to pay me 78,000€ on the spot and I would have two years of benefits. They are desperate. I train all my "future replacements" wrong and I'm the only fag who knows how to do my job because I have been there too many years lmao. Honestly I don't want to be there anymore, I'm a fucking idiot.

I know people who work from home and upkeep personal projects and open source software developed by no one but themselves. They spend all day working without end, they work as a front-end for a bank, work on a similar software to Hydrus by themselves and work on a website by themselves.

Heheheh, same.
My boss is known for being super anal about the details that many previous bosses quit. She's been there for 30 years. I'm the only one who has stayed and endured her that they dont want to go through the whole process of finding a replacement again.

I get the job done and meet bare minimum standards, this seems to piss her off a lot, but my other boss over her has been helping me stay.

What country?

Spain

Those people exist but are the extreme minority.
Normal humans need long mental breaks.
It's good to push yourself to succeed but you also must acknowledge real limitations.

I guess all the memes about your country being shit were fake. This sounds secure as fuck.

Software devs aren't anything special. Stop thinking you're having to do hard-thinking things. Its like recalling how to figure out a specific form of equation.

>t. never worked as a developer
There's much more to it than that, friend.

After shit like this, I'm hoping I can support myself as self-employed until I can use my retirement funds. I hate working under people.

I feel like a lot of people don't like their job.

Am I the odd one if I like my job and my colleagues?

You're not the only one.

Heres my question - working a software dev internship currently. How much time do people usually spend fucking around vs working? How much is acceptable within a 9-hour day, 1-hour lunch? I usually get all my tasks done super early and then they have nothing for me to do. I need to space that time out but dont want to raise suspicion

Should have asked for a raise

My first boss said in earshot that having a conversation with me was like pulling teeth. This is just one thing on the list of things he did to make my life hell not because i was lazy or impudent or anything but because i made a mistake doing something i had never done before as a young teen.
I often felt like such a piece of shit because i fucked up in my first job but over a decade later i've just come to realise that people in positions of power are often just sadists that will make your life hell over something trivial.

If you don't think you can be both a good person and get shit on by your "betters" you're dreaming.
Life as a good employee is doing your best to appease the fucking sadist that is your boss.

BRB studying human resouces. Thanks user for the info

Yeah, the unemployment meme was right during the 2008 crysis tho, and still not a meme in some regions like Andalusia.

But if you study a non meme degree and learn some English you could find a job easily. The actual problem are the temporary contracts, but if you are good and find a permanent contract you are secure as fuck.

Your race advice is poor, but women should be avoided in the workplace at all costs, unless you are able and willing to leave the job immediately.

No, there isn't.
I would expect any software dev worth a shit to know at least core languages such as C, C++, Javascript, jQuery, Angular, etc. I especially would expect them to know a decent fucking IDE or just run Visual code, because god forbid running anything else or using anything else that isn't lightweight or good with minimal help to the person I'm employing, fuck them.

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>I would expect them to know webdev frameworks
Fuck you, stop reading /g/ and get a real job. And who cares what IDE someone else uses.

Fucking RPer.

If you don't get a promotion, request one. Hell, consider leaving, even.

Yea? Why wouldn't you? If I'm paying them to make some software, I'm probably expecting it to be good. You know that you can learn more than one type of dev language and frame work right? I want bang for my buck. Besides, if you're making software, you'll probably be pulling from a website anyway, and if you're working on databases along side all that, you'll need to know that too.
You've only responded with angry posts and "t. insert assumption here" so far, so pleaase, make an actual point yourself instead of just trying to weasel your way out.
Then again, I don't expect much but an overestimation of self-worth from software devs who think they're hot shit.

>but was unreliable outside of work
The fuck does that mean? Works ends and that's it. Your boss shouldn't be calling you on the weekend asking for reports.

Here's your final pity (you), roleplayer. Everything you write makes it more obvious you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Have a good life, friend.

If you hadn't quit you would have either been fired directly or "forced to quit" (their favorite tactic because they don't have to give you severance pay in that case; they put you on projects that are designed to be impossible such as collaborations where the other team is told to refuse to give you anything you need to actually do work, then they put you on 'performance review' because you couldn't do anything, where you're basically watched 24/7 and expected to come for extra hours at work, usually something like 2-3 per day, and finally you'll be "found to not do the job right" regardless of what you do; bonuses will be removed, promotion will be blocked for 5 years, and you will receive "homework", people will be told to not interact with you under penalty of receiving the same treatment, etc. until you quit).
Good thing EU countries don't have that problem. Bad thing EU countries don't have salaries worth a shit in most jobs not called finance.

I'm getting the impression that you're a hiring manager that doesn't understand coding at all besides what laundry list of qualifications you want to put on job listings?

Fake and gay, that's not allowed by any soft dev contract ever.

>IT support for a site of 300ish people
>Do 40ish hours a week if I feel like it, but still get paid for the full 40.
>Barely have to deal with users. Get maybe a few tickets a week. Office is closed off from everyone.
>ton of time to do whatever the fuck I want.
>live 5 mins away from work
Other than lacking benefits this job is the shit

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I'm jealous of people with jobs like that, I work in a quality control lab and am on my feet testing samples from the time I arrive to the time I leave.

EU countries also have more than like one week off a year tho

90% of it is luck user don't feel too bad. It's a contract job so chances are I'll be back in contractor hell in another year or so.

Holy fucking shit this thread makes me glad I'm a neet. You know what I don't give a shit I'm either going to make it my own way or die trying, FUCK working without a sense of meaning for some random niggers who will treat me like disposable shit.
Thankfully I have no family or girlfriend so very few expanses and there is actual hope I may sustain myself doing my own thing in my corner.

School's starting soon, and I'm about to go balls deep into job applications. Trying to get some IT shit, but I never luck out.

Yeah, true. They also tend to have better worker protection/pension plans/what have you.
But overall it's still preferable, if you can stomach it, to go work in the US (or better yet, remotely for a US company) and come back after a few years.

>Trying to get some IT shit, but I never luck out.
If you want to start in IT most of the time you have to get some work in a a call center. It sucks but without a background or certifications most employers will pass you over.

I extremely highly recommend doing that if you can make it. Now is the time for you to try because you don't have responsibilities for now. You'll most likely fail because it's hard and depends on luck, but it's always worth a try.

I work a shitty warehouse job and am trying to save up for certification exams, but life costs money, and I have virtually none. My car, at least, is paid off. I should be able to save more of my paychecks next year, if health insurance doesn't eat it all up. Turning 25 is great.

I feel you. Some companies will reimburse you for certification exams if you pass them and they want to hire you. Otherwise you'll just have to save up. I would recommend getting a A+ cert at the minimum.

>Be backend dev in a medium company that has good presence on the web as an ecommerce
>Me and a couple other dudes have to maintain and update 5 or 6 websites
>Boss comes in
>"Hey user we need to update our pricing curve, how long would it take"
>"Gimme a day to plan it out"
>Play some HS and browse Yea Forums for 3 hours, then call him
>"Yeah boss, about a week"
>Write a new function according to the need in an hour, fuck around for the next week
>Commit on friday
>"Thanks user, good job it works flawlessly"

And i believe i'm quite fair, a collegue took 3 months to make a new product category. If you had to take it slowly it was at most a week of content worth

>just landed an internship (paid, too) for a startup
gotta abandon the NEET life, sorry bros

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See I love IT but I'm too dumb to program. I should probably at least put in time for other Tech certs while I have the time.

Going for Security+. It better land me something, coupled with my Associate's.

Huh, I expected the socialist republic of France.

Small businesses there can't even hire because they can't afford all the benefits they're supposed to provide an employee with.

>Halfheartedly complain about my job sometimes
>Listen to music or podcasts while I work
>Miss days or push them to the weekend randomly because I don't actually need full time to get everything done in a month
>The few times they've trained someone else to do my job while I was on vacation or sick, that new person goes right back to their old position and can't stop asking how I don't lose it and kill everyone
Apparently they're going to stop trying new people and just have managers count their own stores when I'm on vacation now. It's going to be nice hear about their suffering.

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what kind of job bro?

S+ is a good cert. The problem would be finding a Security group that will allow people with no background. I think you'll be fine with that though. Good luck user. Don't give up.

a healthy American is addicted to working and consuming!
this sounds like an amazing life, tell me more

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lol

You really don't understand how it works. It's not the employee that is a piece of shit most of the time, it's the manager.
This guy's story: Is absolutely nothing, NOTHING, compared to what happens on average. The harder you try and the more competent you are, the more likely you are to be fucked over because your manager will feel threatened by you.

>Core languages
>JavaScript, Angular

Thanks for the troll post 6/10

Na man. Right now I'm teaching karate and earning beans, but I'll take those fucking beans all day over the physiological stress of dealing with "office politics". I got a hernia from the last place I was at from dealing with shitty kids and a boss that talked out the side of his neck.

No amount of money is worth a good night's sleep user; don't ever sacrifice your long term health for a paycheck.

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>IT niggers think they have it hard
lmao

>>Never accept their first offer of payment
What the fuck am I supposed to say? No? Won't they just tell me to fuck off then?

Ignore that guy except for the part about women.

If they offer you a decent salary it's not a problem to fucking accept it.

Extremely good points-list and perfectly accurate. It's critical that anyone about to finish their degree and/or otherwise enter the workforce is aware of this. Especially the worksheet.
I actually also like the idea of secretly recording every meeting you're a part of. This is usually illegal but so long as you never reveal you have these recordings and only use them to make sure your records are accurate, it can save you if shit hits the fan (which will almost certainly never happen, but you never know).

Yeah, I mean who doesn't want to be a mindless wagie like you.
Maybe you should nominate yourself for 24hour shifts.

Jesus Christ, man.
Get a grip.

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This part actually depends on other factors. If you have multiple offers, make sure they know other people are trying to recruit you. Say you were expecting a higher salary or that you'll "think about" their offer. Make sure to properly assess if they have many applicants or not, and check that their offer is not already at the high-range in your field (if it is, there's no point in trying to go much higher, just accept - but if they're offering average or less-than-average pay, absolutely negotiate).

Well i work with stereoscopic screens and 3D Imax glasses. Ain't that the shit, have you ever looked at Avatar 8 hours a day for 2 years?

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What strength are your prescription glasses?

>wagie cage meme

I really dont get it desu, the cages are a safety precaution for falling heavy objects, and the Evil Bezos Empire would much rather not spend the capital on them if OSHA would let it slide.

>implying a trade job wont work you into extreme overtime just to keep up with demand/job/the quota
All jobs are shit tbqh. Save and Invest so your money earns you more money

They why the lock is on the outside?

are you going insane from watching that shit so much?

Is it actually or is it part of the joke? I've never been sure since I've never worked at Amazon.

It's a precaution against escapees if anything.

you know jobs dont actually look at references right?

lmfao he literally got BTFO hours ago

>swallowed up by the health discarding factory which is working life.
But that's what they're really training you for, user...

Nature of the job, Japanese salary men work consistently longer hours then I do. It's just how public accounting is, you work very long hours for little pay. The upside is that you build an incredibly valuable and saught after skill set (people are paid thousands to head hunt experienced accountants) the experience lands you a nice office job (guy above me left for 175k a year for a 40 hour week) access to F500 execs and total freedom to work in any city in America.

>Japanese salary men work consistently longer hours then I do
The suicide rate of Japanese salary men are also significantly higher than yours or the people in your line of work.

Well yes obviously cause working sucks

They also don't REALLY work long hours. They procrastinate during the day so they can work a few hours after-hours to make it look like they're working hard. They are stigmatized should they choose to actually work normally and are expected to only leave after their boss leaves.

LOL my boss worked 36 hours straight one time, I personally witnessed it. He didn't smell to good.

Not at all you get used to it but i tell you, 3D movies? Not impressed.
What i'm going insane from are my friends dropping my lame ass one by one.

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>unreliable outside of work
It's your time off, fuck that noise. These fucking companies think they own their employees.

>unreliable outside of work
wut

>incredibly valuable and saught after skill set
Virtually everyone in your field will be replaced by AI in 10-15 years.
>M..muh job monitoring the AI
How many people do you think it takes to analyze an AI that takes the work of thousands of humans?
>M..muh it's an art
A few decades ago AI was scifi and now it can paint and game better than you, and think and improve millions of times faster

You have no idea how this works, every item of work has a budget. Everything you do is on your time sheet with notes of what you did during that time. Your boss looks at these notes and time spent for the preperation of that work item and can call you in to explain yourself if he isn't satisfied with either. They also review every bit of work you do so you can't cut corners on any of it cause they will find it. Also only billable hours count for minimum work hour requirements, so if you're at work and you have a non client meeting or eat lunch that's not billable and has to be made up later.

At least he had an excuse.
Being in a position of actual responsibility makes or breaks a man.

>unpaid overtime
land of the free lol

You have never been to japan.

Most likely not picking up the phone when a manager calls to ask you to come in or something. It's an absolute crock of shit to list that as a reason to fire someone though.

>LOL my boss is wonderful and works so hard for better pay than I get, his boots taste so good guys lol

And if he isn't well payed/is salaried with no OT he's even more cucked than you

You moron, now you don't qualify for unemployment

Na he wants to make partner, partners make 7 figures yearly depending on their book of business. I didn't make a value judgment either way, my boss can be a cunt sometimes.

>land of the free lol
Pretty much. All this yankeedoodledandy muh freedom nonsense is just propaganda to obscure the fact that the state has always been on the side of exploiters. The founders loathed and feared democratic rule, and didn't want the senate or the president to be chosen by the people.

man don't read too much into my shitty pun, I mean, you literally do it for free
you're free

you are the worst kind of person. can't get fired by yourself in peace you have to drag everyone under the bus with you

That's beside the point you doubt that anyone can actually work that long and be marginally effective at a given task. Just because you can't personally imagine it or are incapable of doing it doesn't mean shit.

Move. I lived in California and now I'm in Idaho. Rent is half the price for triple the space

I liked your pun, user

>Work in IT
>Have on-call rotation
>We are technically 24/7 support, but the main corporate office leaves for the day at 6:00
>If its your turn on rotation, you pretty much have to make yourself available in-case there is an outage or someone who is having issues.

It sucks, but the overtime pay for it makes up for it. That, and it is all remote work so I don't actually have to drive anywhere.

>Work 6/7 on and 3 off
>First day is just recovering from the night shifts
At least my job is varied

I don't know why you're so butthurt that you thought it was meaningful to ramble about irrelevant shit that's completely unrelated to the discussion but you need to stop.

Why would you expect a recommendation letter from a company that fired you?

They actually typically do if they fire you after having you train your replacement. When you quit, though, fuck no.

>core language
>JQuery
>Angular

way to out yourself

>>Never accept their first offer of payment.
This is particularly important only if you understand how to do it. Know when to counter and dont overshoot obviously. Don't come out them with some wacky counter. You wont be declined an original offer if you decide to counter and they refuse. So its best to ask . Even in a friendly tone.

For most entry level jobs this might seem like a bad thing to do. But I can assure you that its completely normal and expected for any employer to see. This is increasingly prevalent as you get into Senior positions. Reminder not all salaries are posted there to counter.

This, I work in a trade, telco tech, shittier version of an electrician. I rang up my supervisor during the work day while I was genuinely sick, I said "I'm at the doctors right now I don't know what's wrong with me, can someone pick up my last two jobs?" my supervisor responded "WHAT DO YOU MEAN? CAN'T YOU DO THE LAST TWO JOBS?" *long sigh* "WHATEVER." *hangs up* I get calls after work days about the next days work at 7:30pm at night, just to tell me they're there and need to be done tomorrow, you know, like the 3 emails and the fact that I have to LOOK at my next days work EVERY NIGHT and CONFIRM THEM ANYWAY. Every job is shit, and the only reason why you could stand up to your boss is if you were irreplaceable at that time.

Just got a new temp to hire job through my agency, shit is great. I work for a data management company contracted with the county, get to work in the county office buildings and all we do is process handwritten applications for Medicaid and food stamps into the state system and assign them to the DSS workers.

I agree with CPA dude, it was irrelevant to bring it up in the first place and he was clearly talking about CPA work and not nips.
I studied accounting for my two year, and he is not bullshitting about CPA life being like this. It is why I decided to go for a different career path instead. That being said it is not the most demanding work mentally, most of it is pretty simple stuf. The whole point is everything adds up together and simply having the knowledge of best practices will carry you. People definitely work long hours in this job because they can do it on autopilot and are motivated to make partner at a firm some day.

Except he (you) is replying to a comment purely about nips as a reply to a comment purely about nips. Thus making the whole thing completely irrelevant. That is the point of contention.

I agree with that part, but those posts were already trying to deflect the conversation anyways.

>Putting your fucking race on your CV
Is this an American thing?

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I think he doesn't mean CV (which would be resume in the US anyway) but rather the job application form that companies use. They demand to know your race and sex among other things because they have quotas to fill.

yes, anti-discrimination laws mandate that you racially discriminate