Villain fails because he fucked up and everything you've done meant nothing at all

>villain fails because the game forces him too
Defend this

Ganondorf in Wind Waker is an alcoholic who got sent to prison after a drunken rampage, spends decades in supermax, deprived of even toilet wine, and upon finally being released, immediately starts sprinting to the nearest liquor store.

>world is going to shit
>villain is a guy who is trying to make the world right
>villain is just trying to do things for the greater good but you keep fighting him
>villain’s plans often include killing millions of people to save billions of people m
>you defeating him literally fucks the world for everyone else
>the game literally makes you the bad guy by dooming the rest of the species

Don''t be charmed. Ganon is an absolute bastard. It's just that this absolute bastard got totally ripped off by the dumbest shit right when he was about to take the win.

>Villian does nothing at all, the hero causes total destruction in his path to defeat the villian

>you’ve become the bigger villain than your antagonist ever was by the end of the game

Alex wasn't the antagonist though. Alex's goal to become a god was unknown to everyone, both his friends and enemies alike, and he was blocked from succeeding by the one being left behind by the ancients who existed solely to fuck people like Alex over.

The actual goal of the protagonists in golden sun was to prevent the death of the world and return Alchemy to it. Alex was a shifty fucker none of them trusted, but worked with because he wanted the world to survive as well. None of them ever knew or even cared about his plans for godhood, they were busy with the lighthouses being reignited. If stopping Alex were their goal then it would be shit, but they genuinely didn't pay any attention to him beyond what they had to.

Then why he's the villain?

scapegoating innocents is always wrong.

Some faggot said to another faggot that he is evil.

>Ganon is an absolute bastard.

Exactly. Don't forget, this version of Ganondorf took over Hyrule and ran it into the ground in just seven years. They let ONE darkie into Castle Town and LOOK WHAT HAPPENS!

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>Villian literally kills himself after you tell him about a flaw in his master plan anyone with double digit IQ would have seen

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>you were trained wrong

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Ganon is a really interesting character. His big speech he gives at the end of Wind Waker is full of hypocrisy. He says the reason he wanted to take over is because he coveted the beauty of Hyrule compared to what his people experienced, yet when he takes over the Gerudo are still in the same shitty situation they were in before. He did nothing except fuck everything up for everyone and make everyone as miserable as he is. He's a resentful cunt.

>JOIN! DIE! JOIN! DIE!

Bad writing
Good writing

I feel like this is more a limit of N64 technology barely changing the world after 7 years than an actual story element
besides aren't most Gerudo fucking enamored with him? that's why they had to brainwash the spirit sage, she was the only one that hated him

You're looking into too much. Theres no substance to any writing in Zelda games. And what they do come up with is by the seat of the pants with no consideration for how it relates to the actual characters, world or "plot". The official timeline proved Nintendo really does not care

>villain turns the weans against us
youtube.com/watch?v=RkuWrmxN7hg

Ganondorf was already drunk on power because he was King of the Gerudo and a kung fu warlock, but then he got his first snort of the Golden Cocaine of the Gods and got completely WRECKED on power.

genuinely having a wank

whats more annoying is that link never had a wish in mind, or motivation, or anything really, the game just expected you to follow the hero's path because fuck you.

this is the new face of Twitch tv

>Villain's plan hinges on performing an absolutely impossible feat
>The villain suffers through thousands of setbacks and untold suffering but never gives up on his plan
>Sacrifices everything and causes great pain and anguish for the heroes and those around them by attempting his plan, but is so determined that they cannot stop him
>And in the end his plan actually succeeds, he performs the impossible feat that breaks every known law of reality because he never let himself give up
>But the feat occurs on such a small scale it isn't enough to do what he needs, even after the tremendous sacrifices he'd made to do it.
>Despite how amazing what he did was, it and all the pain he caused was all for nothing.

If Alex wasn't the main antagonist, who is then? A bunch of needlessly hostile Mars village idiots?

Link's goal was to save his sister, which he did, to stab the cunt responsible for her abduction, which he did, and to plunder Tetra's tanned pirate booty, which he did. Wind Waker Link don't need no goddamn Triforce to get his wishes granted.

SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE
WHO?!

I was pretty mad that Skull Face demise has absolutely nothing to do with Diamond Dogs, it was just coincidence that Eli and Mantis became friends then and there.

I skipped the Saren fight in ME by getting him to shoot himself in the head. I didn't even know that was an option, I thought it was just part of the story.

The main antagonist of the game was Climate Change, I guess.

>villain genuinely has a wank

>besides aren't most Gerudo fucking enamored with him?

That's because they are thirsty as fuck. If I recall correctly, Link passes the same trial that Ganon did and then they are enamored with Link.

Infamous 2?
You either become Jesus or Mag-fuckin-neato.
Was Second Son any good?

That sounds pretty awesome, game?

To be fair, he probably was consumed by blind rage when he became that “thing”

>villian was destined to fail and knew this but still decided to go against fate

>you saw the traitor in the party from the miles ahead
>you are frustrated that no one in the party suspects him
>he betrayed the party
>the real plot twist was that everyone in the party knew that he is a traitor and prepared for it

>sequel introduces annoying side character

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The Wakfu cartoon

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put barrys red cola in bag

youtu.be/qitEBSc0nmI?t=2450

I also watch Plague

never watched the show, Only jacked off to the porn, but I'm guessing that robot dude?

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LIGHT... BUT WHY!?

>annoying
>not hilarious

Ganon had this elaborate plan and he was about to win forever.

Then he loses because King Hyrule sniped the shit out of him. I wonder how long King was waiting there, giggling away.

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fetch a pail of wa'eh

A silly French MMO did not deserve such an impressive adaptation.

>You basically end up doing what the villain wanted
>You still have to fight him at the end because lol we need a final boss

Fuck you, every Rockstar game ever.

NO ADVENTURE IS COMPLETE WITHOUT JINGLE HAT AND JINGLE FEET

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kill jester

Kill jester

I actually don't watch Plague.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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Open sarcophagus

>villain puts trolls in bags

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I was thinking final fantasy XII but you are also correct

>villain wants to run a bank making operation out of his banks

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>Villain killed them self months ago
>MC fucks up everything for everyone for nothing

Still pissed we didn't get to play Alex in GS3 instead of Isaacs son.

Could've made for much better possibilities and writing.

How's Limmy streams doing? I tuned out when he went to Ibiza, and haven't gone back.

spec ops:the line

>villain outsmarts the player and actually wins

Benny Harvey R.I.P.

>villain thinks it's ok to destroy your world to restore something that existed 1000 years ago and no one remembers or misses

>villain was supposed to win but only lost because main character plot armor

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What is Persona 4

>I'm going to destroy the world because I had a shit childhood.

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>villain is literally a god
>can only be defeated by convincing the majority of his worshipers to abandon their faith, thus draining his power
Not an actual game, but it would be keeno

>Villian is the ancient hero of legend who after centuries is jaded and just wants to revive his goddess waifu to see her again

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Plague?

You're that ninja...

No seriously, i do not understand what you're referencing

>Villain just really really wants to fuck her mommyniecegf

>Villian's main goal is to kill everyone, but just so no one, even the weakest person will be able to kill them, because they're afraid of death

Now everyone's dead because you decided to sperg about muh ethics.

>Villain just want to hurt people and never try to justify his action.

>the villain was you all along

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>it's fine when Arcanum does it but when Bethesda tries the same thing it's the worst thing on the world

Difference being in the execution.

The game vacillates so much between Vayne being an actual megalomaniac obsessed with power and a 4d chessmaster sacrificing and self-sabotaging himself for the sake of Larsa's future reign and a free humanity that it's clear his motivations were one of the casualties of the rocky development process