This is the best Doom game, discuss

AHEM

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Shut up, Hugo.

garbage maps and the new enemies mostly suck

64>2>4>1>3
Fuck you eternal cancelled

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>and the new enemies mostly suck

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Not an argument retard

Good. Your shitty game deserves to be cancelled.

Eh, 2 had some pretty shit level design. fucking tricks and traps? all those boards where every single enemy comes to kill you after the first shot.

It's definitely an improvement

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>Plutonia good because hard

>brutal doom

I thought Second Encounter was the best Doom

sure, after you install brutal doom

brutal doom is good. It 100% improves the classic doom experience.

Whats to discuss. You are right. Super shotty changed everything

The faggotry is intense in this thread.

Quake>Doom 2>who cares

compelling argument.
>old doom:
>dumb sfx
>monsters are sluggish, unenthusiastic
>weapons lack punch
>brutal doom:
>weapons have tremendous effect on the world
>enemies are thrilled to make your life difficult, they require you to take them seriously
>sounds are significantly improved.

>wolf 3d above half life 2 and 1
>half life 2 above 1
>blood below tnt
>plutonia in first place
>dook above blood
>no 64 on the list
nigga

brutal doom is a fun mod but to say it is enhanced regular doom is foolish

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All I think of when remembering Doom 1 is solid action and great level flow. It's very easy, but its nice to relax sometimes.
All I think of when remembering Doom 2 is gimmick crap and overly convoluted mazes. User maps are where the new enemies really shine.

scrubs need not reply

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But it is enhanced, sometimes in stupid, obnoxious and pointless ways. The reloading makes it almost unplayable in later levels. Also what's with all the fags on the board posting that dude?

>It's very easy, but its nice to relax sometimes
I take that back, Doom 1 gets reasonably difficult on Thy Flesh Consumed. But the level design is still great so it's still fun.

what said, brutal doom 's creator is a stupid brazilian monkey who steals code and bloats his mod to the brim. project brutality is much better

Is it me? or is everyone talking about plutonia because of that one civvie video from a few days ago.

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Yes. Nobody who liked Doom had even heard of that obscure expansion pack before your favorite e-celeb mentioned it.

either that or it's a HUGE coincidence

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Maybe if you stopped watching games on youtube and actually played them, this wouldn't be happening to you right now. That goes for the rest of the board.
Youtube let's plays aren't the board's topic.

S...

>Stand around and listen to people while you're trapped-life
>Blood: The game with the worst shotgun of any build engine, Good
I have not played doom 64. The PC version doesn't work on GZDoom so i haven't fucked with it yet.

and plutonia is good because it has a shitton of action. It's like oops all krunchberries. They knew what they were doing. They knew we wanted just the krunchberries. Though i'd prefer a shitton of imps to revanants.

This

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need

Doom, D44M, Doom 2, Doom 3

Doom 2 level design is aimless and no shotgun can redeem it.

Looking back at it the level design was for the most part raw ass and not even the SSG and new enemies can make it better

youtu.be/vo4c21doehI

I don't understand the cult around this game, all maps are boring and confusing "find the key" convoluted labyrinths to the point of minimizing the fights. Doom 1 maps are still the best.

have a (you) for your extremely shit taste

Ready to admit that PSX doom is the master race, Yea Forums?

Level design shits itself at Map 12
Good base for mods, good gameplay, bad game

Out of the games on your own list, Blood's shotgun is better than Serious Sam's, Dusk's, Quake's, Doom 4's, Duke's, and Shadow Warrior's

where is No Rest For The Living? Best retail Doom after Plutonia tbqh

>that huge fov on Doom 4 to make it look faster
>still literally max 1 enemy on screen at a time
hahahahahahahaha

REEEEEEeeeeeEEEEEeeeEEEeEeEEEEEEEE NOUUUUUGHHHHHHH URGLE BURGLE URRRRGLLELEEEEEEL

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Doom was never good, only Doom (2016) is passable.

>finally start playing Doom for the first time
>first episode, having a blast
>get to the second episode
>game takes a nosedive
I don't really want to skip Doom 1 entirely because of this but goddamn if I don't want to.

Yeah but not on the 64.
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It is widely agreed that Doom 2 has worse level design than the first game, so I don't know where you want to go from there.

1 enemy on screen is better then old garbage doom still

>first level of doom
You tried.
Stop replying to yourself, it's embarrassing.

I'm talking about Doom 1's second episode, user.

>then
I know you're 12 years old but come on.

>>>>THE CITY LEVELS

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WOOD > MOOM > DOOD > DOOM

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I haven't played that one yet, i'll get around to it eventually.

Kind of been in an oblivion mood lately. Replaying that game, that's a "You had to be there when it happened" game.

>>first level of doom
OG DOOM stays the same throughout the game moron, you think they suddenly introduce movement mechanics that would make it anywhere cool as D44M?

>loses argument so goes to correct grammatical errors
Everytime!

>Dook that high
Fuck off Randy.

Shotgun rankings
Doom 2>Shadow warrior>Dook>Half Life 1>Dusk>Blood>Doom 3

Blood is shit for the reason that it's not fun. All the guns hit like nerf guns, except for i guess the napalm launcher? The dynamite is alright but not really ideal. I'd rather just have a shitton of rockets like in plutonia. Then there's the enemies. They do a great amount of damage, that's great. But you're not given a really good way to deal with them on the fly. You need to memorize the map like a racetrack. That's not fun. In Dook, you can muscle through nearly any level, shadow warrior to a lesser extent as SW really pours it on in some sections, but if you have the reflexes, it's all you. In blood, there's some sections where you literally can't progress unless you're tossing dynamite because you already know what to expect. This is lousy design. American McGee is a hack.

>OG DOOM stays the same throughout the game moron
You'd know that's not true if you had played it.

>Dook not being that high
Forever doesn't retroactively make 3d or even 2 bad user.

Anyway, how would you rate the level designers at id?
If your list doesn't have Sandy for Doom 2's city levels or American McGee for his later Doom 2 levels near the bottom you're wrong

>MOOM > DOOD
Based.

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>best
>downtown
>tricks and traps
>barrels of fun
>catacombs
>the shitidel
>chasm
>literally all city levels
>good
yeah no

TNT was always better than Plutonia. Difficulty can have its merits, but being hard for the sake of it isn't a positive, if you just regurgitate the words of a faggot who can't see good difficulty to the point where he has to play Serious Sam on fucking normal then you don't deserve to have a fucking "opinion".

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>she will never rip and tear your cock

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>for new doom lets make it.....quake
>but with level ups gears of war arenas
>and hallways and mandatory cutscenes because consoles are terrible computers
GAME from 2016 indeed

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Ok name some new mechanics introduced later in the game, ill wait

>>for new doom lets make it.....quake
That's an insult to Quake, it had actual level and encounter design and wasn't a Painkiller clone.

Better then a shooter you cant aim vertically, or jump, and have to turn with keyboard

I can't recall who designed what off the top of my head. If there was a level design credit at the beginning of the level like ROTT 2013, i'd be able to answer that, but i vaugely remember American McGee being behind a majority of the bullshit levels?

All the city maps fucking sucked. Barrels of fun should be justification for the stand your ground law.

Going off on a tangent, ROTT 2013 would be 100% better if the air controls fucking worked.
no way dude, TNT's levels flowed like gastank baffles. The difficulty of a level should come from being buttfucked by demons, not by key placement and switches.

GET THIS WHORE OUT OF HERE, THIS IS THE REAL DOOMGIRL

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Maybe if id will manage to mage NuuM 2 moddable...

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>That's an insult to Quake
None intended, that’s just saying how not-Doom NuDoom is.

I like the one where two Archviles are playing volleyball with a Cacodemon in the background.

Pain Elementals, Chain Gunners and Arch Viles(despite being cool) are simply unfun to fight. Icon of Sin is also a bad boss fight.

Yes but
Retard

Plutonia has been lauded for years, even decades now. I only ever hated it cause I didn't lrn2doom at a greater level yet, but now its fun.

>REAL DOOMGIRL

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Why are you playing it in dosbox and not with GZDoom then?

>I hate these chaingunners so unfun to fight
>Wow blood! So fun! Pinnacle of FPS!

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Aside from the new weapons and enemies? Why do you try so hard and still end up embarrassing yourself?

Chaingunners are a great addition to the game, Pain Elementals and Arch-Viles are also pretty good as they force you to mix up your target prioritization. But all of it is if, IF, they're used correctly. You know what doesn't use them correctly? Plutonia.

>Pinkies are more dangerous than Barons and Revenants
What the fuck were they thinking?

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Don't forget about WOOM

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>play Plutonia on Hurt Me Plenty
>suddenly it's not a chore
Wow

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>skeleton feet

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>not MOOW

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Because unlike the original, you can just jump over them this time.

Aw look a source port redditor!

That doesn't change shit moron, it still looks like OPs webm later in the game. Shooting a different looking demon doesn't change there is no movement mechanics changes

>’lol you cant aim in doom’
>okay get a sourceport
>’LOL’
I tried

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Are you high? Doom introduces 80% of the weapons in the first 3 levels or so, then only adds the plasma and bfg later. Both of those guns are just superior versions of 2 previous guns, the chain gun and rocket launcher. As for movement mechanics, what is introduced that you dont learn via secrets in episode 1?

NRFTL>Plutonia>64>1>2>4>TNT>3
do NOT respond to this post unless you have beaten plutonia and doom 2 pistol start AND beaten doom 4 on ultra nightmare.

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>Try and play classic levels in D44M
>Pinkies are unstoppable fucktrains in any type of confined space
>It's doom 1, it's all confined spaces

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It has a better soundtrack.
Into Sandy's City is my jam.
youtu.be/PkhCNx-8Qos

>this game is shit!
>DUDE JUST POLISH THE TURD
kys, go play darkitana they made a mod for it

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one on this board who didn't really like D44M at all. The level design was garbage 'hallway - arena - repeat' and I hated literally every single thing about glory kills. On top of that, it just felt so sluggish.

The whole time it felt like they were forcing you to play a specific way and make you have a certain experience whether you wanted to or not. Granted, I'd still call it better than 3, but I don't understand people treating it like the second coming.

>That doesn't change shit moron
It changes the entire pacing of the game. Why are you so petty, user? your parents need to stop enabling this behaviour.
You have no clue as to how the BFG and the plasma rifle work, apparently. The level design gets more complex and more crowded later on.
This entire "discussion" would be unnecessary if you had played doom at any point to completion.

>Pistol start
no.

>i could pretend to be your CO

>Try and play classic levels in D44M
How would one go about doing this?

>>Pistol start
>no.

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Try actually playing the game.

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great civvie fags who don't even play doom have shown up

This.

>It changes the entire pacing of the game.
No it doesn't, you literally just strafe right and shoot the entire game

Yeah bro i hate level design that makes me fight monsters! I like shitty repetitive brown mazes where im not shooting and looking for keycards!

Blood should be above Duke and Shadow Warrior
Doom should be above Amid Evil and every Build game
Doom 2 should be above everything except maybe Plutonia
Serious Sam should be above Doom 4
Half-Life shouldn't even be compared to these games

No one said it was ‘shit’, just if you didn’t like it you could change it easily. Why would you compare NuDoom to a game made by a small basement of nerds, when it should be what the community has turned it into compared to a AAA gaming company trying to step up to it?

I played the first two hours before refunding. The weapon upgrades were the final straw. Do you have any actual points to make that would make me reconsider?

Bitch, nobody except autistimo speedrunners use the original exe.
Use Crispy or PrBoom.

I like episode 1 from doom 1 on ultraviolence since that's the one I've played the most of and can do it reasonably well

>not playing doom 1 and 2 with hdoom
why even play doom

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is that the lasercheese girl

>Yeah bro i hate level design that makes me fight monsters! I like shitty repetitive brown mazes where im not shooting and looking for keycards!
There's more to level design than the actual map itself. Item layout was garbage because it focused cutscene kills to replenish ammo. Mantling slowed fucking everything down and was completely unnecessary when you could have just made him jump higher and not kill the pace.

Hallway to arena is a shitty design especially when the arena locks you in until you kill everything. Why even have maps at that point and not just make it killing floor style survival waves? IF you're trying to change my mind, you should try articulating actual points.

you don't know about the classic levels? They hid a bunch of levers in each of the D44M levels that you have to pull, and it opens a secret door that leads to a snippet of a classic level, usually with an armor pickup in it, then you can play through an entire classic level from the main menu.

They don't always work though, as i said, pinkies are kind of unstoppable in some sections.

TO FUCKING KILL THINGS YOU STUPID BR

Tower of Babel with D44M's cyber demon was kinda neat.

>Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one on this board who didn't really like D44M at all.
I didn’t hate it but it’s emphasis is clearly on the aesthetics and power trip. It’s worth a good $20, and a damn shame I can’t have some level design as fun as Dusk while looking like NuDoom.

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Anyone else of the opinion that console FPS games have their place but it is shit that games/series that should be PC FPS suffer because of them?

holy shit your taste is fucking awful

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>when it should be what the community has turned it into
Cause thats not the game retard, you probably think garbage like skyrim is good cause MUH MODS

So you admit its a shit game that needs to be changed to be bearable

Level design in OG DOOM is forgettable and repetitive brown rooms, item placement doesn't change the fact its nothing people will remember

if i was a civviefag why would I hate blood?

>Level design in OG DOOM is forgettable and repetitive brown rooms, item placement doesn't change the fact its nothing people will remember
Okay, so you're admitting that even at worst, they're tied for aesthetics but D44M is worse in every other regard. Gotcha. Though looking at your other comments, it's pretty clear you're just shitposting. Talk to you next time.

Of course. Shit like where the imps stay perched up on a ledge to charge a shot - conveniently immobilizing and raising them up to shoot them easily - is all dumb console stuff.
Revenants are also a case where the braindead AI from classic Doom is more threatening than a modern game.

nah, it's better than yours. You don't even have good reaction images.

It gets better as you get double jump boots and more weapons. If upgrades bother you so much you can just play arcade mode. Nobody's forcing you to use weapon mods or glory kills anyway.
>forcing you to play a specific way
That's total bullshit. You've got varied arsenal, three rune slots and two alt fire mods for most weapons, glory kills and chainsaw. Do whatever the fuck you want with it.

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If you had to take one aspect from each of your top 3 FPS games to chuck into one game, what would you choose?
>Quake's Level design
>Shadow Warrior's interactivity
>Doom's weapons

Duke's strippers,
Shadow Warrior's nudity,
Borderlands 2's loli.

>Cause thats not the game retard, you probably think garbage like skyrim is good cause MUH MODS
It’s absolutely amazing for the porn so sure. But NuDoom wouldn’t exist if it didn’t have Brutal Doom to not only blatantly rip-off from but to also show how huge a market there is for it - which is a true testament to how fucking awesome Doom is to mod.
Also, that market doesn’t give a shit about map progression or gameplay, just waves upon waves of things to kill and how good it looks; even on ‘classic’ Brutal Doom just blatantly breaks the game.

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no it isnt nigger
my taste > your taste

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>Arcade mode gets rid of the pseudo-cutscenes
>But it also strictly limits health and ammo and puts all that annoying shit on the screen

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>when you could have just made him jump higher and not kill the pace
And then you would bitch about not being able to just grab some ledge to get higher or compensate for almost successful jump.
>it focused cutscene kills to replenish ammo
There are fucking crates that literally replenish you entire ammo supply you stupid cunt.
>Hallway to arena
Nice retarded exaggeration, bro. I can say the same about OG Doom because there are hallways and rooms with monsters.
>implying Argent Facility is arenas and hallways
>implying Kadingir Sanctum is arenas and hallways
Kill youself.

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>If it has a head, it's a weak point
Why are you lying to me, Doom?

>puts all that annoying shit on the screen
Still better than putting trillion of chaingunners on screen lmao.

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>>But it also strictly limits health and ammo
Not really. It gives you the max amount that is attainable up to that point.

>There are fucking crates that literally replenish you entire ammo supply you stupid cunt.
During a cutscene.

>but D44M is worse in every other regard.
lol no

>Also, that market doesn’t give a shit about map progression or gameplay
D44M has better gameplay if you even looked at the webm, and OG DOOM "map progression" is just keycard hunting

>0.1 seconds animation of opening the crate
>REEEEEEE CINEMATIC GARBAGE

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>And then you would bitch about not being able to just grab some ledge to get higher or compensate for almost successful jump.
It’s literally there so gamepad players don’t get too disoriented with platforming; imagine getting rid of a ledge grab to have double-jump from the get-go, with map design more catered towards it.
Or, like vanilla Doom 3, imagine having the fucking option to modify shit like that through fucking notepad - and you coule even skip cutscenes, something they took away with BFG edition.

Look at that faggits hair! Lmao!

Those animations add up when you do them for everything. Opening doors, opening crates, killing enemies, pressing buttons, picking up keys, etc.

>play OG Doom
>open a door
>have to watch 0.1 seconds animation of the door opening
>REEEEEEEEEEE CINEMATIC GARBAGE

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>D44M has better gameplay if you even looked at the webm
I’ve played both so I know they’re both fun, though. Guess which one is infinitely more replayable?
>and OG DOOM "map progression" is just keycard hunting
It’s fine to open the map if you’re lost. Unfinished areas are places you’ve yet to visit, you can also mark points of interests like health or locked doors.
Because you can’t possibly be that same, one dumbass who gets lost in Doom.

>And then you would bitch about not being able to just grab some ledge to get higher or compensate for almost successful jump.
I and no one else in history did that for the decades where that was the norm. No one would complain about a game that was a deliberate attempt at being a throwback doing the same.
>There are fucking crates that literally replenish you entire ammo supply you stupid cunt.
Which is also retarded design and feeds back into the 'level design is fucked because it's all focused on glory kills' thing. One specific point in the arena refills all your ammo, meaning that you need to wait until your ammo is almost empty to not waste it all. How is this less retarded than scattering ammo drops around so if you're not retarded, you never get to the point where you need a full resupply in the first place?
>Nice retarded exaggeration, bro
It's not an exaggeration. I told you I only played about two hours in. When I got the cutscene machine chainsaw, I quit and refunded. Literally that entire time was "walk twenty feet down a hallway with a few jumps to make it seem more open ended and then find a big open room that locks you in until you kill everything."

Not only is that the only 'cutscene' but it is not a cutscene at all since you can still do other things while it's happening. How are you failing to understand this so hard?

>you can also mark points of interests like health or locked doors

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An animation is not a cutscene you iliterate retard

>you can also mark points of interests like health or locked doors

No fucking way

It's pretty much the same thing. They both take control away to make you watch a movie.

Hit ‘m’ and it marks your current position with a number on the map.

Notice how I didn't actually say that and you just pretended I did.

You must have a severe case of autism if you think 1 second animation is a movie,

1 second animation for dozens of times in each level. In a game that tries to poke fun at games that have long exposition segments.

>No one would complain about a game that was a deliberate attempt at being a throwback doing the same.
Well, Amid Evil doesn't have ledge grabs and Forges, the most platforming-heavy chapter, is absolute dogshit.
>muh ammo
Nigger, there are tons of regular pickups everywhere. Chainsaw is just your out of jail free card if you wasted all your ammo somehow.
>When I got the cutscene machine chainsaw, I quit and refunded.
What a nigger. That level isn't much different from what OG Doom had. It has some shorcuts between areas as you progress through the level, nice secrets and optional areas with goodies.

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Okay you really are autistic

But both e2m2 and e2m7 are super kino.

Holy shit, dude You belong in a museum or something along those lines, like we could conduct studies on the level of retardation that you’ve achieved, congrats man how’s it feel to be the biggest moron on the internet?