Devs have been rigging lootboxes for streamers

No and no

lol yeah, but your dumbass will buy it anyway, won't you?

I wish you amerilards would use your guns to storm some corporate HQs already.

no, yes

It's surprise mechanics. Some people are just a bit more lucky.

Totally legal right now because it's not considered gambling and is completely unregulated. They'll only get in trouble if it happens after legislation is implimented.

It's ok as long as they keep saying streamer luck and make you think it's just a coincidence :^)

They'd get shot dead at the front entrance.

too busy shooting random people minding their own business instead

No and Yes but because they have never revealed the odds and they are going to lie their asses off, hide the facts and because of how it is currently legislated they aren't going to face any penalties. Mind you jail time was never on the table.

This isn't something people to to jail for. This is something companies get fined for.

Nobody is going to jail. Scamming kids with surprise mechanics is completely legal at the moment, at least in this side of the world (I heard that either Korea or Japan already have laws about it).

Isn't it only fraud if they overtly state the odds of winning? As far as I'm aware, shitwatch never went public with official statistics about drop chances. If TF2 were to be delightfully devilish and change the drop rates of valuable items without saying so, then there might be a larger uproar.

Surprising literally no one.

Isn't this exact thing what took down CSGO lotto?

>video games
>The law

lmao they are above the law you fucking cattle. Moo like a good piggie and eat up

>If TF2 were to be delightfully devilish and change the drop rates of valuable items without saying so, then there might be a larger uproar.
They did that though. Where were the fines and uproar?

Those guys are fine now.

yes but those were "evil" russians with no lobby. The gaming industry nowadays has lots of politicans in their pockets so don't expect anything similar happening to them

>Scamming kids with surprise mechanics is completely legal at the moment

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>Wanting government red tape in video games
kill yourself

I fucking knew it, I called this shit out a few years ago.

they get what they deserve for watching streamers and also playing games that have loot boxes

Literally the only way any corporate entity in the Americas actually gets their shit in gear
Go and look up what people were eating on mass scale before the FDA was created

What are ratings agencies?

They should unironically retroactively face charges after lootboxes are deemed to be gambling. This shit is sickening.

I think they do that in an Asian version

indie devs maybe. Otherwise the company pays a fine to the EU of a couple of million which is a fraction of the profits they make on it anyway. In america I don't think they'd even have to pay a fine.

>thinking it would ever get that far
The moment it genuinely looks like the government might intercede, the ESRB would make lootboxes an automatic M or AO if they're really scared. The entire goal of the ESRB and ESA is to protect the industry from government interference. In other words, government oversight will never actually be implemented, but the only way we can be rid of these cancerous monetization strategy is for the government to credibly threaten the industry.

Of course the current buzz is surrounding fucking game violence again, like always, so the corrupt retards in charge will never actually do anything helpful for us.

yes, but in that case was valve stepping in and took a big fat shit over gambling sites and the profit was an idea of the streamer

this one is the big corporation cashing in and offering cuts to streamers so no one can stop them but either massive backslash or the government

Videogames are already red taped by liberals, might as well add another one if its for a good reason

I'm pretty sure that GGG does the same for the prolific people streaming the game, they increase their odds of six socket and fusings, which keep their streams entertaining and thus more likely to draw people in and spend money on the game, but this isn't illegal or even really that scummy, since those items can't be bought.

Unless people can prove that the RMT sites are run by GGG or give them profit in some manner.

who is this spunk monk

Holy shit, look at that bong

>Organizes deal with Fortnite devs for rigged loot boxes
LETS GOOOOOO CHAT
LETS GOOO
POG POG OMEGA POG I GOT A GOLDEN DILDO BROS OMEGA RARE

damn, last multiplayer only game i played was TF2
i never played battlefield online or call of duty
sometimes i'm glad i miss over decade of these games

You dropped your soap

That's not how the law works. Else the government could arrest everyone on Yea Forums by making loli illegal and retroactively going after everyone who has ever had it.

out with you, goldstein

That's a mighty bong if I may say so.

what? no video games and gambling can't possibly be linked, video games are supposed to be for children! However they do cause violence because they have guns in them and people are using guns to inflict violence
>ignorant boomers

sorry but i'm smash bros player

I know and I don't care.

I'm really really sure they don't do that. Streamers like Zizz play 18-22 hours per day for like 10-14 days straight, on average these guys spend the same amount of fuse/jeweller like everyone else they just have more currency available so to the viewers it looks like they are "lucky".
Also they can just hype up some items and sell them for 50ex

e

False advertising is still illegal, at best they gonna be hit with a class action lawsuit

fuck off spook

Yeah this is very common, which is why they hate giving out odds. They also lower the odds if you have a history of spending a lot of money.

Capitalism

Not to defend mr shekleberg, but the article says "offered", which implies that it wasn't done (yet). Yes it's very possible and probably very likely that they did this shit anyway, but I don't know if someone can be jailed for "offering" a service without actually doing it. Except for maybe prostitution.

The video game "industry" is one of the most pathetic entertainment establishments ever. Porn is a more noble endeavor.

Western AA(A) industry is garbage and not worth saving

>(I heard that either Korea or Japan already have laws about it)
Japan doesn't really have laws, it's more like an agreement between companies who indulge in this shit. Effectively it causes them to disclose the odds, however.

You people act like the lottery, casinos, etc. dont do this exact same shit too.

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lottery and casinos don't target children

>more noble endeavor
you know nothing about porn industry
but videogames industry is still one of the worst

>its okay to rig games and scam people based on an addiction scientifically proven to be even worse for you than most hard drugs if they're an adult

the payouts happen to actual customers, not a random spokesperson
Also the payouts have an incredibly small chance of occurrence casino-wide, there is no "Spokesman only" penny slot machine

the only way to win is not to play

My boss has two kids aged 11 and 12 and they constantly beg him for money so they can buy some "cards" that give them money on Playstation to spend on Fortnite

Like every week he shells out like 20€ or more it's insane. He once got fed up and asked the kids to explain what they need the money for and they just got angry and hang up on him.

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Luckily my rank EX luck keeps the odds always in my favor

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>he doesn't know that machines are rigged on a daily basis
>he doesn't know that when a bigshot comes in, the increase the odds of winning
>he's never watched Kaiji

at worst it is fraud and possibly racketeering

the market will regulate itself

wasnt this uncovered years ago by richard lewis?
nothing new

>Like every week he shells out like 20€ or more it's insane.
Seems like a normal amount if you consider it pocket money. They're getting it on top of whatever they're getting by default, it's fucked.

This but unironically

>only game I care about with lootboxes recently had its economy crash due to a dev-side bug, making everyone "rich"

Bring it on

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Anygame with loot boxes should be boycotted.

>20€ per week
Maybe if they are 16

Yes but that doesn't matter in America

It's okay, because it makes for good content. Pulling legendaries is exciting, and exactly what I wanna see from my favorite streamers. They deserve their cut too.

Well, we already know that GGG sends rigged lootboxes to streamers, not surprising that other games do it too.

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:)

>implying machines are 'rigged' at all
>implying that increasing the odds of winning doesn't affect the entire casino instead of just the VIP
>implying I would watch Kaiji when I could just watch Akagi instead
Zero for three my dude. Maybe take a break before you try again.

But I'm too retarded for Mahjong. How am I supposed to enjoy Akagi if I don't know the rules? I've tried to learn them multiple times in the past.

Isn't this a form of fraud? They're misleading their audiences with a dishonest representation of drop rates to trick people into buying more lootboxes. This is some casino parlor shit.

Why do retarded niggers see the new weezing as a bong instead of the smoke stacks they obviously are?

That's a complicated topic, but the reasons behind the legality of casinos are mainly:
1. People are going to do it illegally anyways, all you need is a deck of cards.
2. They make a shit ton of money, so might as well make them legal so they can be taxed.
3. If you are an adult, you are free to ruin your life.

>watch Akagi instead
i would like to punch you in the fucking bigass pointy massive nose just because Akagi is not finished (anime) and never will be

No, I don't. I think both are societal cancers that target vulnerable people.

You're in the wrong thread, but memes I'm sure.

You need to prove it somehow first. Just taking someone's word at it is not enough evidence.

it really depends on a lot of things, it's not cut and dry I can tell you that

Probably not. Yes, it's wire fraud.

No I'm not. Read the picture again. Off to the right.

>playing online games

your own fault honestly.

this has been a known thing for a long time

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Just don't buy lootboxes. Problem solved.

Image is an old fashioned lootbox.

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the best way to prove this shit would be to get some real data and files from codemonkeys but it will never happen

This is truly my greatest complaint. All these pussies killing people shopping or partying instead of hitting the shitters lobbying to ruin the country.

I do too, but you know why we can't.

*ALERT*
EA/ACTIVISON SHILL SPOTTED
THIS IS NOT A DRILL

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Oh oops. I can't view images because i'm posting from work and the image host... part of Yea Forums is blocked, but not that site itself.
BUT YEAH DUDE WEED LMAO

game devs, no. The corporate fucks telling the game devs to program this? Still no, because legal fuckery removing any liability when they should clearly pay for this fraud.

Yes, and? What else is new?

Maybe it's because any big company will have armed security? Some fucko who tries to shoot a place like that up would get shot the moment he steps foot into the building and won't even make the local news.

If you live in a shithole with no regulations, sure. In developed countries? No. In the UK, France or Japan, odds for anything related to casino/lottery/pachinko are disclosed to customers and more importantly audited by a governmental body. Casino machines are all metered in order to ensure that payout are meeting the minimum legal requirements (for example in France that value is 85% for slot machine, so for every $1 played in a slot machine $0.85 will have to be given back to players). Obviously casino machines are also metered for taxation purposes.

For national lottery / euromillions / loto6 etc. odds are just known in advance anyway since it's a simple mathematical formula. For scratch cards, odds are publicly disclosed you can also verify as a player if certain winning lots have been redeemed already. So if a scratch cards series has 2 potential £1M winners, you can check if those 2x£1M were won already or not.

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>The problem was, in fact, not solved

we live in a society

Name one Jew who has ever suffered major financial problems through legal action against them in America.

This is how gambling should be done.

It's absolutely fraud and Yea Forums will continue to deny and defend it using "muh nanny government" as an excuse

Kill yourself blizzard shill. Literally. In Minecraft, kill yourself.

Indeed. That's the typical PDF released for every single new scratch cards in the UK. These are updated at regular interval as the scratch cards runs its life so you can check how many Prizes are left. In Japan Pachinko machine will display the average chance of winning as well. They use that number to lure in players whenever a new machine launches, payout are usually set slightly higher than usual (obviously still below the breaking point so in the long run you're always losing, but that's gambling).

Disclosure of odds only works if tied to a governmental body with regular audits and random audits. The problem with lootboxes are the lack of transparency but more importantly the lack of auditing. So even if you take Japanese gacha games (that are forced to disclose rates), what good does it do if nobody is auditing those rate? How do I know that FGO rates are 1% SSR and not 0.90%? How do I know that there isn't some algorithm making sure that some players win at specific time, but lose at other times? Etc. Private companies aren't giving their gacha data to anyone so they could all be lying/manipulating data.

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Streamers are cancer you either play the game or shut the fuck up.

I've come to the realization that the more bullshit video game monetization has become, the more of the zoomer equivalent of a retro gamer I've become.

Google and apple take care of those rates tho. Even then there is some cases of rigged shit like Dokkan.

at best they''ll be fined

They actually do not. Google and Apple only act as a payment provider, they absolutely do not have access to anything gacha related on those games. All they can check is that you spend X amount of money on [insert in-app purchase item] that's it. Nothing prevents you to make your own gacha game, publish it, display rates but program them differently. Google/Apple doesn't even have access to your in-game data either, hence why when you declare that you didn't receive a purchase it's not something they can verify themselves and will invite you to contact the related customer support department on the game publisher instead.

Online multiplayer games aren't real video games.

Fraud is just very hard to prove usually, companies will just be fine by saying it was a bug/programming error that wasn't intentional. They will offer refund to whoever was affected during a certain timeframe (like 1~2 weeks at most), they will take a small revenue hit and bad Press for a little bit and that's it. Just like how Granblue turned the tide around with monkeygate, just claimed it was a bug, offer refunds + give free shit to everyone as an "apology". Proving fraud would require internal documentation proving that such a system is in place (like for the Dieselgate). Either that or employees testimonies etc.

"They’re not ashamed to admit that they’re being paid for these things. In fact, it’s actually a benefit to them in a lot of cases [to be able to say to their audience], ‘Look, EA is recognizing that my content has value. They’re paying me. They’re supporting my channel because of the work that we’ve done, that the community that we’ve grown together with our audience.’ These big companies are involved now and that, for many people, can be a source of validation, a sign of growth, a badge of honor.”

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That comes as a surprise? Youtubers are freelance marketing agents. It's not just for those Unboxing events where some tard gambles away several hundred dollars pulling gacha--but it's also a well-known fact that GGG adjusts droprates up for streamers to make it look like PoE drops more EPIC LEWTZ than the game does for everyone else.

Ratings are not forced on developer though. The content of the games dictate the ratings, not the other way around

Yet developers still end up editing and censoring things for a "favorable" rating that they see as widening their audience.

It's not so much surprising as it is funny to see people defending it as if it should be perfectly acceptable

korea legally mandates the publication of such stats for a reason

Account sellers, whales or rerollers generally keep track of game actual rates.

Rounding is another story but generally match with the ones displayed.

depending on the country you're in, yeah.
could range from them being fined a couple of million dollars to being forced to shut down.

Next you'll tell me water is wet.

Everything involving "Influencers" is shady bullshit. The marketer scum are getting away with murder thanks to these whores.

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HAHAHAHAHA

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>OI IT'S SEVEN BONG

And that's the ratings fault because...?

It's almost like they are dumb cowards or something

didn't seem to stop the Dayton shooter who got killed by cops in less than 30 seconds

is this really a surprise to anyone

and drugs

>If all you conservatives love your guns so much, then maybe you should go shoot the people selling in-demand goods to willfully irresponsible consumers.

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but my free market.....

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>neglect the fact that those consumers are mostly children and the people are selling "in demand goods" via rng

Is not fraud since games are for kids

>spend money on gambling function in a game
>learn that people who created the gambling function tried to fuck you
>outrage
It's almost like people forget that gambling, regardless of in what format it is, is designed to fuck you out of your money. It's no different than going to a casino, every single thing at the casino is designed to fuck you as well.

there's an argument to be made about just how willfully irresponsible actual children are

and also how "in-demand" the goods are since they are both virtual and they're only in-demand because of RNG

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But it's not gambling remember?

Unlike in videogames, when you enter a casino, you need to present evidence of being over 18. You cannot do such a thing in videogames and children constantly steal their parents money (even without credit cards) to buy fucking lootboxes. The safest route is to get rid of it as they are shit anyway.

This
While I think gambling is fucking retarded to begin with and avoid it, I accept there are people who enjoy trying to avoid getting fucked, or going for free drinks.
What Ive always been conflicted on is kicking out card counters while they fucking reap in tons of drunk retard money

Who knew? A completely artificial system who’s odds are determined by the programmers can be altered to improve odds for people who are in on it? This sort of hustling has been done for CENTURIES at this point, its fucking disgusting but it’s not original.

>free money for jewcuck Blizzard

How do you know it's Blizzard? The FTC never specified which publisher it was.

lol

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I come to Yea Forums once every few months, and I'm as casual as casual gets (if that's even the word you guys are still using) so I'm not caught up with any of this.

Has the gaming industry really tried to sell loot boxes as not being a form of gambling?

Why are white people so violent?

If you fucks go on my stream and claim my stream is rigged then gtab.

The article says it was offered to a youtuber management agency exactly one time that they knew of.

>You cannot do such a thing in videogames and children constantly steal their parents money (even without credit cards) to buy fucking lootboxes
See now that sounds like a parenting problem more than anything. If you give your kid access to waste your family's money, even unwillingly and then don't take the steps to make sure it never happens again, you're retarded.

They're 'surprise mechanics' and the UK just recently ruled they're not a form of gambling. The same UK that regulates crane games as D-rated gambling machines.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13

You are literally arguing children should be legally allowed to gamble at casinos.

Game devs? It should be executives and management going to jail, not devs.

They absolutely should be going to jail though

but won't, we live in a society that doesn't punish white collar crime like this.

>payed

end yourself

>the UK
They're fucked, honestly more fucked than the amerilards in a lot of ways.

GGG are LITERALLY the GOD KINGS of the video game industry. Please do not speak ill of them.

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It's the innate nature of yakubians

Why would you want to "rid" yourself of them? You don't need to play these games, and it's not like good designers would ever put lootboxes in their fucking games.

Your boss is a fucking out of touch idiot and also a bad dad for not even knowing what their kids use his money

Because it lowers the chances of them ever being implemented in games that I otherwise wouldn't be able to play because of them. It's in your own interest to get rid of them if you care more about your hobby not having shitty practices being normalized than the bottom line of publishers and shareholder profits.

No, in fact I didn't even comment on what I thought of gambling. I don't beleive setting up form of gambling should be legal. It exploits one of the many malfunctions of human nature regardless of age.

All I was saying was people who can't keep their children from stealing their money are retarded.

> I don't beleive setting up form of gambling should be legal. It exploits one of the many malfunctions of human nature regardless of age.

Yet this somehow doesn't apply to lootboxes. For some reason.

If people who can't keep their children from spending money are retarded then why should child gambling be illegal? It's the same concept.

yeah, I'm sure every parent in the world wants to keep their wallet on them at all times

not even true,you could check the small code/barcode on the back of the egg to know if it was one with the special toy

>t-the free market is a good thing!

Have surprise sex mechanics

You know that you can change on options to make phones or consoles check for every purchase right?

If you let kids run wild with credit card then it's your fault.

Look man, you seem like a smart guy, so I'm gonna level with you. Wouldn't you agree, that if we have evidence that ONE person got "offered" this scenario, and he just so happened to turn it down, then we could also conclude that MANY different streamers were :offered" this exact same scenario, and of those MANY streamers, at LEAST one, possibly even more than one, took the offer and so we can safely assume that this is commonplace, at least for the particular company who made the offer? Remember now, you are a pretty smart guy, and you're logical and measured, and just overflowing with common sense. So I'm not even going to mention the fact that you sound like a naive 15 year old. Not even gonna bring that up.

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>kid steals 20 bucks from parent's wallet
>uses it to buy a cash card
>good thing they didn't get to my credit card though!

>If you let kids run wild with credit card then it's your fault.

Then real money gambling in video games should be legal.

You act like it's okay when THEY do it

I'm not defending lootbox or saying that.

I"m saying that most cases of kids dumping 5k on some game is because parents are too stupid and let credit card on console without any kind of security.

Isn't this highly illegal?
Can we sue?

>I'm not defending lootboxes or gambling
>But I am saying it's the fault of stupid parents when kids get exploited.

Slow down. I do not beleive gambling should be legal in any form, but what I want and what is reality are two different things.

Right now gambling is legal and so are lootboxes and if you let or are incapable of stopping your kids from gambling your money away on loot boxes, you are retarded. One statement is not a justification of the other.

yes but parents don't really expect their children to steal.

Where's your proof?

Why shouldn't gambling be legal? Don't you support the rights of adults to spend money how they want?

Gambling and lootboxes are both legal but only one of these things is government regulated.

If you haven't taught your children that stealing your money for video games purchases are wrong or fail to inact proper consequences if they do that will make sure they never do it again, you are a shitty parent.

If you haven't taught your children that stealing your money for casino gambling is wrong or fail to inact proper consequences if they do that will make sure they never do it again, you are a shitty parent.

>esl

If you are letting kids steal then you must be shitty parent.

But kids aren't exactly the only issue, those kind of thing tend to pray on weak willed people.

Actually better yet, who are you suing?

Except it is. If an adult pisses away their life savings and goes into debt at a casino nobody gives a fuck but once kids are involved everything changes.

If you are letting kids gamble then you must be shitty parent.

And children are known for their strong decision making skills and not being easily exploited.

>this Galar pokemon is a bong
I know its an english pokemon but isn't that alittle insensitive?

I was wondering today, you know how Gacha Games like FGO have the 1 roll and the 10 roll options? Do you think they rig the two rolls differently so you have to spend more to get what you want?

And before you start saying "lol Gacha" suck my dick I get bored at work.

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>Why shouldn't gambling be legal? Don't you support the rights of adults to spend money how they want?
I think morons and the mentally ill need to be protected from themselves every now and again and gambling exploits a problem in the human psychology. Now I also beleive that the fact that there are exploitable morons out there is an inherent failure of government so expecting them to protect those people is a little utopian but that's still what I beleive.
>Gambling and lootboxes are both legal but only one of these things is government regulated.
Both should be considered gambling and regulated or be made illegal IMO. Buying a lot box is no different than pulling the lever on a slot machine.

Peer pressure is a thing user,specially now in age of social media.

ggg is one of the worst offenders I hope that chris wilson gets absolutely fucked for how terrible the game has become

What is going to kill them all is when they have to reveal their algorithms on how the shit works. It will reveal that the odds are fluid and they lower as you do better.
That will be what kills them.

In other news, the video game industry is full of people who were born yesterday. No shit this happens. You think devs will pay streamers to play their game for advertising purposes, and give streamers free loot boxes for advertising purposes, but they won't tamper with the results to make those loot boxes look more appealing?

No, I've gotten SSRs on 1-rolls before. The 10-roll is in many cases a convenience option or as many games 11 for the price of 10. When they do mention bonuses it's also explicitly stated like guaranteed SR+ on 10-roll.

They most definitely do. They also make the odds fluid in a manner of speaking. An account that pays even a penny will end up with vastly better pulls in a long run test than one that stays free 2 play. By spending even a penny they put you on a "whitelist."

Look up the game MTGO and the phenomenon of "whitelisting."

At that point it's more like a gift box that looks like a loot box.

The thing is if you were to have pointed any of this out before today lootbox apologists would just accuse you of being cynical. Now that we have evidence of it happening it's a lot harder for anyone to reasonably deny it.

lol Gacha dicksucker

Buying things that don't exist and have no value is not normal

Only reason I though of this is because a few jap mobile games started showing the drops rates. Made me wonder if the odds shifted depending on what roll you did.
Ah figures. We can't have nice things anymore. At least I got Herc on my first roll.

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explain the insurance industry.

It's (mostly) a scam

FUCKING RIGGERS

I fucking hate the video game industry

>streamer luck is real
>used to call these people retarded conspiracy theorists for believing in it

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why are there people that are against laws to get rid of lootbox gambling? is it just the libertarian standpoint of complete freedom? or is it a fear of a "slippery slope"?

No you hate Marketing and Capitalism.

Like gambling in a casino but:
>have 100% house edge against the player becuase they can only win worthless "content"
>blatantly rigged because no regulations and lol its just a video game haha
The real question is do these kids have their own version of "the lucky boomer rub" when they open lootboxes?

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>there are people older than 18 who are unironically libertarian

/pol/ is always right.
The trick is predicting that people are going to be either retarded or malicious. It never fails.

this is definitely behavior you engage in when you are a normal business and not a company exploiting people with compulsion disorders

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both, they're intertwined

market fundamentalism is a religion
complete with a set code of sins, penance, and holy virtues

>the new Galar Pokemon is a bong

nice

youtube.com/watch?v=ioZsXk4wLqs

Didn't gacha games in Japan needed to disclose their rates in the first place?

Alright, fair enough

Dunno thought that was a more recent thing. I only recently got into a few apps that had that.

Streamers are ruining gaming. Thankfully I don't play aaa trash so it doesn't affect me.

DLC practices are ruining gaming. Thankfully I don't play aaa trash so it doesn't affect me.

>Thankfully I don't play aaa trash so it doesn't affect me.
Really? Not one? At all?

There's zero reason to juice odds in any organized game. All of them are designed from the ground up to deliver returns, and the penalty for getting caught tilting those odds even further in your favor is too great of a risk.
If you walk into a casino, there isn't a single game you can play that won't average out with a house advantage the longer you play. You might be able to walk up to a roulette table, and put 10,000 on black, and walk away richer, but if you keep playing you will always lose.

Even sports betting, which people think they can win at with their expert knowledge and skill at spreading bets, is impossible to win in the long run. No matter how great you think you are at sports knowledge, the handicappers who set odds on those bets are far better than you, and you will always lose at sport betting in the long run.

In short, they don't have to rig games, they're all rigged from the start.

lmao you think paul blart is laying his life down for EA? fat chance.

Yeah, but it should be ignored because government regulation is bad and muh slippery slopes.

That kid is gonna end up as a tranny.

Nope.

So what do you play?

?The real question is do these kids have their own version of "the lucky boomer rub" when they open lootboxes?
I've watched streamers opening crates in CS:GO out of that exact same curiosity, and they absolutely do. A lot of them move the mouse around in a certain pattern before clicking to open, and chant shit during the roll. It's pretty hilarious.

Games are already under government regulations.

variety.com/2019/gaming/news/video-games-cvaa-accessibility-law-1203099440/

>they're fanboys of games who's primary source of revenue comes from lootboxes (i.e. gacha, Overwatch, Steam marketplace etc)
>they have a financial stake in companies like EA, ATVI, Steam marketplace who's stock value is currently overly inflated thanks to aggressive microtransactions like lootboxes
>they're like to stir shit up because it's an easy topic for farming (You)s

I'd wager that less than a tiny percent of people arguing against gettting rid of lootbox gambling are genuine free market ancap lolberts.

The government is "concerned" right now with violent video games because of the shooting.
Maybe it's possible to defeat lootboxes by killing people.
Nah, the media is going to spin it into white nationalism. Fuck, you can't even make a point anymore.

THANKS OBAMA

No, game devs are above the law.
And you should know that regulations and consumer protections have been eroded away gradually for the past 60 years thanks to corporate lobbying to the point where regulations are a joke. Yet you still have retards arguing that the very little regulations there are is "too much regulation hurr durr."

>>its okay to rig games and scam people based on an addiction scientifically proven to be even worse for you than most hard drugs if they're an adult
Correct

Path of exile does same thing with item drops
Streamers get everything

>unironically defending fraud

>play a machine game with 10% house edge for $1 per play
or
>play a table game with 1% house edge but the minimum bet is $10 per hand
Plus le tip

people who watch streamers deserve to be duped

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people who play video games deserve to be duped

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>question mark quote boxes
Great were being raided by journalists and shills

the replies in this thread shows just how many fucking fags in this thread jerk off to streamers lmao

Can't buy loot with money in PoE though.

You mean regular items like currency and equipment or their overpriced lootboxes?
You can through third party sites.

Makes sense since the majority of them are also underage. Anyone over 20 still watching streamers should really reevaluate their lives.

>consumer willingly pays for the thrill of gambling that the manufacturer provides
>someone is being ripped off
Lol, no sweetie. Welcome to the real world.

weren't the csgo lotto owners doing something similar to this

>You can through third party sites.
Unofficially, GGG doesn't make any money directly from it. And you don't buy a box that may or may not contain the item you want. You know exactly what you're paying for.

>polygon article
dilate tranny

They give streamers more 6-slots.

Do you think kids who buy lootboxes realize that they are gambling away daddy's money? Rhetorical question but no, they don't.

They sell loot boxes too.

>consumer willingly pays for gambling and gets told the odds are something they're not
>the "manufacture" isn't ripping them off and shouldn't be regulated in any capacity
Welcome to my dick in your ass.

That's literally what the government is for.
To control the greedy retards who try to fuck us in the ass. The red tape says "don't fuck them in the ass", and your response is "NO I dont want the gubment to stoppem from fucking my ass I LOVE IT".
Literally the only people who would not benefit from stricter cyber laws are the companies doing very obviously evil shit. The only reason none of our current laws are enforced is because our laws weren't written for the cyber age and big business has their hand in the governments pocket to keep it that way.

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Guess the world has gone crazier than I thought.

Every other industry has government red tape like laws saying "You have to wash your hands pajeet after you wipe your shit off your ass with bare hand."
Because that's something that was an actual issue. You cannot trust any business to not fuck over consumers.

Could have been as simple as

Blizzard: "We'll give you $2000 to make a video and $500 to spend on lootboxes. Please make a video that showcases any rare/legendary items you unlock. We'll have to approve the final edit to ensure it portrays our game in a good light."

They then only approve the final edit if it shows mostly rares/legendaries. Technically they didn't alter anything about the drop rate, they just paid for a video showing what unlocking legendaries looks like :^) :^) :^)

>and gets told the odds are something they're not
This never happened

And who is going to investigate or know?

The % chance of opening a crate is entirely server side. You can easily make it so you have a whitelist whereby certain people get increased chances and everyone else get shitty chances. No one would ever know but the one engineer who made the system and the one executive which told him to do it.

No. No one goes to jail for consumer fraud unless its grievous. You get a fine and walk.

That could still be considered deceptive advertising

Read the OP dipshit

I hate how many retards there are on here that unironically defend lootboxes these days. I'm not the conspiracy type but I'm starting to think the people saying we're being infiltrated by shills have a point.

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>dude this TV commercial shows a happy couple winning $10,000 at the casino! I'm going to be rich!
>what! I didn't win! you misrepresented the odds!!!
Sweetie, this is why gambling is left to the adults in the room. Now go back to fortnite or where ever you zoomers came from

>we're being infiltrated by shills.
Not exactly new. However there is also a fairly high number of actual retards roaming around very seriously defending it. No idea if it's zoomers who don't know any better, addicts who'd sell all their possessions for another roll or 2 INT trolls thinking they are the funniest thing alive by spewing shitty opinions 24/7.

jiff in hell

>dude this TV commercial shows a happy couple winning $10,000 every other time they bet at the casino! You're going to be rich!
>whaaaa I didn't misrepresent the odds it's not my fault!!
Sweetie, this is why gambling is LITERALLY REGULATED BY GOVERNMENTS in every part of the word that matters. Now go back to sucking tim sweeney's cock because your mouth is surgically attached to his crotch while gurgling his cum and licking the sweat off his ballsack and eating shit from his crusty asshole.

part of the *world that matters

This is like casinos sending people out onto the floor pretending to be customers and cheating to win

Who are you quoting?

The problem is that more often than not, the government is also after that neghole.

Go back to /jp/

Yeah children would definately fall for that shit, that's why only adults can legally gamble

Sweetie?

Gambling is still heavily regulated even amongst adults. Just because it's legal for adults to gamble doesn't mean there's no rules involved.

kys gachanigger

>t. corpokike

go back to fortnite or where ever you zoomers came from

Asking who are you quoting is a /jp/ thing, that's all.

yes because the unregulated mess we have now that keeps getting worse and worse since horse armor is fine

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Sweetie, you shouldn't samefag.

hey kid
the house always wins

but it's not gambling....

These fat fucks are convinced corporations have their best interests in mind. They're literally brainwashed

>thinking that anyone here is over 18
lol

Oh Sweetie....

Difference between those and games is that Epix and Riot and whoever else isn't protected by government subsidies nor are they granted effective monopolies by that same government
I can go throw together a game right now if I have the skills to and put it out there with no one to give a fuck

>Epix and Riot and whoever else isn't protected by government subsidies
lol

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Monopolies or not doesn't really matter when big companies only compete in trying to skirt the law as much as possible to buttfuck the consumers.

It's weird that the word sweetie has become a red flag for full blown mental retardation

Sweetie, have sex.

This is what I don't get. Yeah, it isn't gambling by the dictionary definition. It's better than gambling. In a casino, sometimes players win and you have to pay them. In fgo, sometimes players win and you have to give them... A 512kb jpeg. They aren't out anything. It's literally better gambling, and it's amazing to me that no one seems to understand

yeah uhh that data will be destroyed by the time the investigation gets here

the courts are for keeping the poors in check and thats about it

its just people tripping over each other to inform people around them how not-communist they are. i call it "reagan-signaling"

well yeah, i mean they can at least decide to waste their money there or not.

I need a list of companies.

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also, ponzi schemes should be legal.

I don't know why people saying it's a bong makes me so angry.

Yes but for some reason vidya always gets away with false advertising.

>No one would ever know but the one engineer who made the system and the one executive which told him to do it.
Unless police can get a warrent to look at your code

HEY GUYS I FOUND THIS AWESOME LOOT BOX SITE THAT HAS GREAT ODDS LET ME TRY ONE OH WOW I WON SEE HOW EASY THIS IS I'M TOTALLY NOT A CORRUPT SHILL PAID BY THE SITE YOU GUYS

>uuhhh we already revised the code and we didn't save any backups sorry :)

Totally worked for every other company when they get audited.

>wiping evidence

that's a yikes

yes, and like gambling only stupid people take interest in these things to begin with. stupid people should be deprived of all their wealth through trivial things like video games so that they are powerless to influence things that actually matter.

lootboxes are bad for gamer-brained retards, but are good for the rest of society who would not subject themselves to such an obvious scam and have the self-presence to walk away from it instead of demanding cheaper access. remember, the vast majority of those who complain about lootboxes are only taking issue with the average cost of obtaining the rarest items (which they cannot afford), not with the system itself (which they would otherwise support within their financial capacity, as they did with myriad other consumer ripoffs like paid online, mtx DLC, and sub fees). the future you chose, deserve, and asked for.

Haha holy shit

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In other words fraud should be legal as long as it targets stupid people

Man I would love to work at EA. Just like the coffee boy or something.

I would kill to see the way they plan shit like this.

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that's what you get for engaging in soiboi "ebin gaymer xDDD" merchandise trash shit and cluttering your home with it.

AMERICA EVERYBODY

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Every time one of these controversies kicks off you have a bunch of guys screaming false advertising without even knowing the legal definition of it.

Because they are cops, the only thing they are good at shooting is kids.

Loopholes

>remember, the vast majority of those who complain about lootboxes are only taking issue with the average cost of obtaining the rarest items (which they cannot afford), not with the system itself
That's not even remotely true.

>(which they would otherwise support within their financial capacity, as they did with myriad other consumer ripoffs like paid online, mtx DLC, and sub fees). the future you chose, deserve, and asked for
Except the majority of lootboxes are bought by a small minority of whales. Nobody other than game companies and their shareholders actually asked for these things, you and everyone you've ever spoken to not buying these things won't stop it.

go back to I actually think this is literally false advertising.

>Retard spends all his money on loot boxes
>Goes on food stamps since he's broke
>Your taxes are paying for his dipshittery
It'll save us all a lot of money in the long run if we just ban this stupid shit up front.

Surely the definition of false advertising doesn't involve misleading or deceiving people for profit

Every time one of these controversies kicks off you have a bunch of guys screaming it's perfectly normal and companies dindu nuffin

No user, having a bunch of streamers open lootboxes is not advertising.

When civil war comes Blizzard HQ will be the among the first things to be cleaned up.

*snap*

>sponsoring streamers and literally paying them to open lootboxes live isn't advertising

You fucking brainlet

>use streamers to falsely advertise your game
>this is not false advertisement

That explains why streamers are legally required to disclose if they're sponsored. Cause it's totally not advertising.

>watching other people playing videogames

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Kind of sad how violent minded 3rd worlders are.

>playing video games

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>he's a lucklet

Sad!

>now
>ingame mincro transactions 5$ 1$ 2$ etc
>lootbox 10$ 25$ 50$ chance to get one peice of the painting
>picture of crudely drawn mona lisa with the "Artist" calling people who say it's shit racist angry art critics
>epic art store exclusive painting!

life only gets worse and worse as time goes on.

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I'm sorry how many mass shootings have you had recently? At least put them to good use.

Its not.
They aren't.

stop obsessing over America and fix your country.

>literally don't play games that have that problem

>They aren't.

Yes.
They are.

473456672
It is and they are.
Work harder for these (You)s

>only republicans are blaming video games for shooting
>L--LL-L-L-LL-LL-LIBTARDS ARE RUINING GAMMMING

At that point I don't care if those games are ruined by regulations

>he thinks trump isn't a liberal

How about you fix yours first

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Trump's a libtard? Somebody better tell the MAGA and QAnon crowd

Oh gosh user, I'm glad you're concerned about us but we're doing fine.

Republican politicans hop on the fuck video games bandwagon after ever crises because they know nothing will ever come from it and want to score brownie points with boomers

SJWs actively infiltrate and destroy hobbies.

Are you seriously unaware?
Hes basically a democrat in red clothing.

>it's ok when we do it

Somebody better tell the MAGA and QAnon crowd. Along with Mitch McConnell and the rest of Republican senators

Haven't we known this for a while?

I think they know. That's likely why they hated his gutts until he became president, and had to lick his boots.

Yeah the MAGA crowd and Republicans hated his guts which is why they voted for him

>its okay when ((We)) do it

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Don't even bother arguing with that jizzbrain. Libertarians all around the globe are calling any president who doesn't straight up eliminate the state a communist.

>DA JOOOS

That's just precious coming from a board that defends lootboxes and ursury under muh free mahkets

Taxation is theft and normalizing it with hundreds of years of indentured servitude does not magically make it okay

They mostly hated hillary more.
I don't even think all trump voters are conservatives.

I'm serious though, do you not know hes a massive left leaning democrat?

and they're subject to gambling laws, retard

Honestly progressives are far worse for everyone.

they're zoomers who aren't old enough to remember a time when everything that would be in a lootbox today was unlockable for free with cheat codes or just by playing the game.

>Never fell for the microtransaction meme
>Never fell for the lootbox meme
>Never fell for the battle royale meme
>Never fell for Pay2win memes
>Never fell for the modded controller memes
>Only buy DLC that is packed with content for the price it offers
I’m so glad I am a functioning adult that can control myself, and btw.
Fuck the kids
Fuck moralfags
Fuck lawfags
Fuck tyrannyfags
Fuck communists
Fuck monopolies and big corporations
and most importantly, Fuck Nigger
7

Somebody better tell the MAGA crowd that he's a massively left leaning democratic. Maybe send an email to Sean hannity.

>magatards aren't conservatives
Top kek

I for one am glad to see lots of anons making fun of ancap retards in this thread. I can't even fathom how much of an idiot you would have to be to actually want companies to have even more control over our lives. Having to argue shit's that so basic is denigrating.

Fox was ragging on trump before he became the nominee.

>b-but they're worse so it's ok when we do it!

The only reason I sleep at night is the belief that all these retards are false flagging to learn how to argue better

lol

Nobody tell him

its lazy and even good developers will eventually get roped into microtransactions and cosmetics for the shitloads of money
see
>valve
>blizzard
>machinegames
>bethesda
>etc
not included are the dozen studios that were murdered by some of the above developers and EA in the quest for more money

>Fuck monopolies and big corporations
How can you when you're already sucking their dicks
>Fuck the kids
Yeah I bet you would

You give them too much credit. In here I could believe that they're pretending or maybe they're shills defending their companies. But the social media is crowded with incels showing their faces, defending this retarded ideology. They are real dude, they are the clowns of this clown-dimension we're living in.

All boomers are spiritual Jews so get fucked lmao

>it's not like good designers would ever put lootboxes in their fucking games.
dumbest take in this thread, designers will dance to the tune of their investors

You do realize that all games will have that problem eventually since the average consumer buys at least a few FIFA cards?

I'm 99% positive its people starved for attention that have been trained to make controversial opinions for replies.

That's why I think they normally act like its just a joke, and never take their points past circular logic. You can never pin these people to their arguments, so I really think they just don't believe it and its a joke.

I mean it makes a lot of sense when you consider how easy it is to mistake sarcasm on the internet.

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Muh free market people have to be 16-22 year old kids from well off families, I don't know how they can be so fucking naive of how the games industry in particular works if they're any older.

I don't know what your definition of fine is but your country is becoming like ours just keep that in mind.

That's absolutely fucked

>Are game devs going to jail for this?
absolutely not, especially since the officials and judges are gonna get fat brown envelopes

>t.andrew wilson

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>3
Then why can't I legally ruin my own adult life with drugs?

Literally a villain design.

>Literal rigging
>le government intervention bros
Go fuck yourself goldstein.

The video game crash can't come soon enough.

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Video games are already being regulated. Where were you when this happened?

variety.com/2019/gaming/news/video-games-cvaa-accessibility-law-1203099440/

Would the video game crash solve any issues that the industry has today though?

when a black guys commits a mass murder it's expected, when a white guy commits mass murder the schlomos get flashbacks to hitler and start up their writing presses to remind everyone how bad a white man can be

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It would solve every CEO's issue of 'not milking those dumbass gamers even more'

why the fuck would any person on earth even play a game that has lootbox mechanics.

uninstall and refund you stupid fucking niggers, jesus christ.

Path of Exile is 110% guilty of this
They got caught rigging them when some streamers ended up getting tons of the exact same item out of their tons of free lootboxes
They must have thrown around a lot of Tencent money to hush that one up

This is to say nothing of obvious RNG boosting for streamers as well, who get currency and GG item drops at a rate not even leaguestart poopsockers can achieve

Why blame him when ggg is 100% owned by the Chinese?

Blacks performing mass shootings typically have the decency to kill each other, and it's usually over tangible things like turf wars or someone snatched a wig or some shit. White people violence is so fucking self-centered and whiny, you people just light up dozens of innocents at a damn applebees or something because white bitches won't fuck you and the coloreds make you upset. Only white shooter with a good head on his shoulders was the one that tried to ice those politicians playing softball. At least his target was people in power who are debasing the nation for profit, the rest of the idiots think killing Wal-Mart slugs is somehow significant and honorable.

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>he doesn't know that corporate HQ's pay for top notch security and anyone who would even attempt to do this would get shot down before they even got out of their car.
Why else do you think these incel manlets otherwise drive 12 hours just to shoot some Mexicans?

nigger, they are actually SCAMMING people and you still defend them.

I didn't go on Yea Forums to be shown facts user

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This. Shooting at garbage on the ground doesn't solve the problem. Shooting the person who littered does.

I've given the free market a chance. It didn't fix a thing, people bought dlcs, season passes, year season passes and lootboxes.
The industry is shittier than ever with rampant kikery everywhere. Gamers are fucking imbeciles and you can't trust them to steer the industry towards a good direction for shit.
So fuck it, option B. Now is zyklon time, user

Turns out an uneducated consumer base is really easy to manipulate into throwing its money away, who knew? Libertarians certainly didn't see that one coming.

The Punisher only killed this guy because he was too sloppy and killed innocents like cleaning ladies with stray bullets.

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This. Have you anons ever wished just to burn it all? I'd rather have no video games rather than the shithole of a mess we have now.

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Libertarians WANT a degenerate dystopian society.

>They’re not ashamed to admit that they’re being paid for these things. In fact, it’s actually a benefit to them in a lot of cases [to be able to say to their audience], ‘Look, EA is recognizing that my content has value. They’re paying me. They’re supporting my channel because of the work that we’ve done, that the community that we’ve grown together with our audience.
Literally the lobbyists of the video game industry. Fuckers talk like crooked politicians.

it's not rape since sex is for adults

if they didnt have "sponsered stream" or something like that it goes against twitch guidelines

Lolberts don't see a lot of things. They're complete out of touch and their impractical ideology is as cringe and short-sighted as communism.

But Sponsored streams aren't advertisements!

>content creator says
Do you even have proof?
What if hes just creating content

I thought it was a streamer who said that

Even if a streamer said it, its still viydia lobbyism

nothing in that image supports your thread subject

>this streamer is just lying in his testimony to the US government, game companies would never rig the odds of toolboxes to encourage people to buy more of them
Sounds way more believable.

pcgamer.com/activision-wins-patent-that-uses-matchmaking-to-make-you-want-to-buy-stuff/

>Casino livestreams some couple or something at a slot machine literally winning the jackpot 10 times in a row because they rigged it
>Every moron now thinks this is possible
Kill yourself

why would you be so abrasive as to completely avoid a game because of loot boxes? you dont have to buy them, they dont contain important shit and furthermore theyre often a publisher decision rather than a game studios choice

IIRC it's the same streamer who admitted they were paid to open lootboxes that had better-than normal odds. He's just saying that it's a Good Thing.

tell it to mossad so he can organize an operation.

There isn't a single benefit to lootboxes over selling items directly if at all. The "abrasion" to lootboxes is entirely warranted and deflecting the blame between game developers and publishers doesn't make it any better.

>new galar pokemon is a bong
IT'S A MOTHERFUCKING INDUSTRIAL CHIMNEY, YOU GODDAMNED MOTHERFUCKING WORTHLESS STONERS.

Regulation is good when the industry is obvious dead set on being as jewish as possible. People like you are the first people to get on their knees and start sucking government dick when they do something YOU like and your "durr no red tape" shit goes straight through the window

They already admitted long ago that they change the drop and other chances on the fly

Fucking this.
Where are all these dale gribble "hurr durr government red tape nanny state" fags when people talk about emulation and copyright law on here?

Literally BTFO'd the poor user holy shit

be honest which one of these is you

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Because to the younger hordes of the internet, drugs will always be seen as endlessly funny, and I'm not saying just today's shit, it's been this way ever since kids could access the internet.
I didn't even see it until people pointed it out, although I knew it would be popular simply because the top hat is tall and it has a mustache

>BOYCOTT MODERN WARFARE 2
>19/36 people shown in mw2
pottery

dude just vote with your wallet lmao

I agree entirely but I think its silly to decide on the quality of the game based on the presence of lootboxes.
I will never buy or express support for lootboxes just like I have never preordered a game that offers preorder bonuses or on-disc dlc but I will still happily play the game if it looks interesting, plays well, has favourable reviews etc

Steve Jobs

In a way, but not necessarily in raw % per roll on a 10, rather in a second RNG roll overall.
Many gacha utilize a mechanic to incentivize 10 rolls over singles by having the chance to randomly turn the final one in the 10 into a 5* or SSR unit.
This does not happen with singles, although each individual single has the same % as each roll in the 10 roll apart from the second RNG chance to get it. This however, is usually known by the playerbase and touted as a benefit, so it's not the same as being rigged hidden boosts for streamers.

It's been constantly argued that buying and playing games with lootboxes means you are implicity supporting lootbox practices, which makes you no better than the ones actually spending money on lootboxes. According to this argument the only way to effectively protest lootboxes is to stop buying games with lootboxes at all, or else you're effectively saying "I'm ok with lootboxes in the game even if I don't personally buy lootboxes"

I'm not sure I agree with this argument entirely, since it's so easy for companies to patch in microtransactions post-launch even after you buy the game. But it's perfectly valid to not buy a game with lootboxes, same way I wouldn't buy a single player game with asinine DRM that needs to be played online for no good reason

Based

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ITS ALL FAKE
ITS ALL 1S AND 0S
NONE OF THIS SHIT TAKES AS MANY RESOURCES TO PRODUCE AS A PLASTIC WATER BOTTLE
THEY LITERALLY JUST GET PEOPLE TO PAY FOR NOTHING
AND WE DO
ITS FUCKIN CRAZY
i mean FUCK it can potentially be an endless feedback loop of 5% investment here for double the outcome. as soon as people started buying skins and shit jesus help us
the thing that actually dicks me off is when stuff is only obtainable with luck AND monetary investment

remember when unlocking that cool shit was just getting 10k mob kills or using a weapon style for 50 hours or something
like exactly achievements, but also rewards the player for their dedication

WHILE IM AT IT GIVE ME DEMO'S AGAIN WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT? GIVE ME

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They aren't around because these are paid shills, that's why

lol
no one gives a shit if you scam people with video games
people have been doing worse shit for years and no one has gone to jail or even gotten fined

>paid
They wish. These subhumans do it for free.

why do you think investors love this shit
you can't take these scam boxes away, won't somebody think of the poor shareholders

I'd be inclined to believe the same, but I've seen some real shit that companies actually PAY for. Did you think social media had bots to handle reports? They pay jannies for it: youtube.com/watch?v=dQJidCQw6J0

What makes someone defend lootboxes?

...

he's dead