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lol mad

holy shit its almost like they were released 18 years apart or something
weebs truly are sub-human

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>if it came out later, it's better
holy zoomer

>I'll call it a shitpost because I can't argue against it
cope

you have no idea whats going on in the conversation do you, fucking autist.
here i will spoon feed it to you. the person im replying to is comparing a 2017 game with a 1999. im calling them out on comparing games from two decades ago.

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xenoblade 2 was an awful game, atleast pick something good like dragon quest or a pre-X final fantasy

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XB2 could've been released in 2003 with literally zero difference in how it played or looked you absolute fucking retard
Technology isn't the issue here

And? Planescape still tops best of wRPG lists. I dont know why you think a time gap excuses a shitty game.

I dont care about your opinion, but at least make some arguments against the points I being up when responding to me.

Dude I'm at work. Don't post the survivalist logs. I don't need my boss awkwardly asking me if I'm having a hard time at home or some shit.

>final fantasy retard thinking he's hot shit
None of the FF games come close to the combat or exploration presented in the xenoblade titles. Even the music which classic FF is known for is outdone by xenoblade, at least by 1 and 2

then why dont people make lists comparing old jrpgs with old wrpgs? ah right, because it wouldnt be epicly btfo that way, right reddit?

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>comparing a jrpg that revolves entirely around combat (and shitty mmo-esque combat, at that) to a wrpg where combat makes up maybe 2.5% of the entire play time

Now compare Xenoblade to other wrpgs from 1999, like Jagged Alliance 2.

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>halfway switches games

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>planescapes combat, exploration, and party building is shit
Why even bother playing it? Read a book. Even with the choice based narrative presented, rarely do your choices in the story make a difference in the outcomes

souless vs soul

Why don't we get dialogue like this in Oblivion or Skyrim?

What did he mean by this?

Planescape is literally a VN, the gameplay, classes and attributes mean nothing, it's an awful rpg.

There are a plethora of jRPGs released around the same time with gameplay better than planescape, I chose a recent example because PT is still jerked off

xenoblade 1 is fantastic, 2 is a dumpster fire except for the prequel dlc.

Fuck...

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correction, attributes matter as long as it's WIS for more VN dialogue.

Liking torna over the base game is the hallmark of a brainlet. Only thing better is lack of field skill management. Team hugo is a pretty good tank set up too

Yet it's still considered one of the best wRPGs despite the awful gameplay. Really says a lot about the standards of the genre.

someone post the xenoblade 2 dance
I lol everytime :DDD

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>uuh story bad game bad me wants gameplay

fucking retarded, its the experience that matters, games arent a checklist
i have both planescape and god hand as my favorite games and i wish you all and your mothers to die raped and mutilated by a herd of niggers
fuck you all pieces of shit

Among my favorite games are titles such as Deus Ex and New Vegas.
Right now I'm having a blast emulating Persona 5. I got a nice laugh when I realized Kamoshida had the same voice actor as Lantry the 80-year old scribe from Tyranny.

It's possible to like both.
JRPGs are more style over substance but they can still be quality.

The Witcher 3 absolutely destroys every JRPG ever made. No wonder you picked a 20 year old game.

Resorting to ignoring my posts once again, I win again. Stay on RPGcodex kid.

Read a book nigger, Planescape is now a novel too so you can "experience" reading text.

No, I win, nice try kid

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I'm not a fucking american i've been reading books since I was 6 neck yourself fucktard

Witcher 3 takes a fat dump on anything the previous games were working up to. Dont get me started on the awful combat with abhorrent unbalance of spells or how the story turns to shit once you get to ciri. Witcher 1 is an excellent wRPG and stands with the best jrpgs despite its jank.

JRPG:
>dude religion bad let's go kill God

WRPG:
dude, religion bad?

the "goodbye" answer seems completely out of place though

Yeah, planescape is an experience. An awful one

hahah jokes on you user I like both and you're a faggot hahah

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no, it's a good one

If you read anything beyond Dr.Seuss you wouldn't be cowed by Planescape, dumb ESL monkey.

I play every game in release order and yet W1 aged like vomited milk, i finished fucking Persona 1 with few problems but W1 is just garbage.

>not happily bouncing between JRPG friendship/girlfriend simulators and WRPG maximum escapism/immersion worlds.

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W1 is trash for the first 3 acts but the final acts that take place outside the shitty city are fantastic.

seek help

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I dont even know what dr seuss is, the last book I've read was Molloy
only rednecks retards think reading a lot makes you an elitist

wtf I love jrpgs now

>persona and not SMT

I consume Japanese media for relaxed, stylish stories and Western media for deeper, gritty stories

>you are pigenholed into becoming a mage
Stopped reading there. If you pick a thief, you can literally sneak up on bosses and take them out with a single backstab.

I guess the intricacies of Planescape's gameplay were too complex for you to handle?

>persona 5 and not the good ones

people need to stop playing violent videogames

Despite you making this picture for free, not a single person on this thread didn't find you retarded.

I've been having a better time with the kiseki games than with all D&D games i've ever played

>complaining about witcher 3 combat but giving witcher 1 combat a pass

kiseki turns to shit with coldsteel
has a proper translation of crossbell been released yet?

>someone took the time to make this
>megaretard over here took it and unironically uses it as an argument

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>JRPG
no cyberlegs
>WRPG
cyberleg +10

How exactly can you complain about Witcher 3 combat and say Witcher 1 is better lmao that game is literally a point and click shit is boring as fuck

I bet a Jian made this thread

How can JRPGs even compete?

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It's a bait but Planescape is shit and the basic argument is correct - when fans of a game recommend you to play it as CYOA and avoid using any of the actual mechanics it has, you know you've done goof'd.

>IT'S ALL RIGHT WHEN WE DO IT

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Oh yeah, the legendary trilogy that is 80% anime-tier filler and would've worked a hundred times better as a single release with a complete story with no useless wastes of time.

The lack of self awareness behind this post is amazing

How do I enjoy Fallout New Vegas. Walking everywhere I haven't been to yet is boring and slow

>Making more people dislike Xenoblade 2.
You are doing god's work.

>J-"""""""RPGS""""""""" summed up in one pic

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>tfw idort that enjoys both genres for different reasons
sucks for you fags, keep bickering and making these threads lol

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>wrpgfags
>people
Lol

>The game's age influences the writing.

i can see your double digits IQ showing. Good job.

>People actually take these seriously
I'm sure some of the replies are fake to make other people fall for it, but come on

The virgin jrpg linear plot
VS
The chad EYE open ended unfinished and philosophical opus.

They can’t even handle a taste of their own medicine

it does effect gameplay, you fucking dunce

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Is this a E.Y.E. Thread?

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Why has nobody made an RPG where you can canonically play as a mute person yet?

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>Using E.Y.E. for your WRPG VS JRPG shitposting
Worse than a legless Jian

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Fucking hell, of course you sonyfags would try and do shit like this

>expected E.Y.E thread
>got this

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Is this a Chink MMO or something ? Oh wait.

>Xhenotrash
>lore
Pick one

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>tfw I know a girl who makes my chest tighten everytime I see her

fucking why?

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In VTMB a female Giovanni will call you a disgusting dyke if you try to seduce her. Needless to say VTMB2 won't have stuff like that.

Oh look, it's the cherrypicked JRPG vs WRPG with bias towards WPRGs bullshit again

I guess the truth is biased then

Well why don't the japs make better games then?

It's 2019 and this weeb fad still hasn't died? Don't tell me you guys still watch anime too?

The only thing I hate more than JRPG writing is WRPG writing.

nice

super mario world came out 29 years ago. it still holds up today.
link to the past came out 28 years ago. it still holds up today.
sonic 3 came out 25 years ago. it still holds up today.
chrono trigger came out 24 years ago. it still holds up today.
what's planescape's excuse for being so horrible that even its fans recommend avoiding the actual gameplay as much as possible? its age is no excuse because there are older games that haven't aged at all.

shitcher 3 is the vidya equivalent of capeshit and game of thrones.

Now compare that same WRPG to Legend of Legaia and suddenly your entire argument goes down the gutter. These threads and posts would be much better if they didn't rely exclusively on cherrypicking to shit on others.

RPGs age worse than any other genre. Just comparing Mother to EarthBound is like night and day.

>RPGs age worse than any other genre.
not jrpgs. the snes has tons of jrpgs that haven't aged one bit.
planescape is just a horrible "game." it was trash in 1999. it's trash in 2019.

What does Sony have to do with either of those games?

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>Why yes, I do realize that comparing entire subgenres to each other while attempting to promote one above the other is moronic, that there are objectively well-made games within both subgenres that do exactly what they set out to do, that taste is subjective and thus a true "which is better" comparison can never be completely unbiased, and that ironic shitposting is still shitposting, how did you know?

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all NES JRPGs are garbage. All of them aged like milk. SNES JRPGs are great though.

Unfortunately for you frogggie, the Navy Seals Copypasta is explicitly listed as against Global Rule 6.

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I need to play E.Y.E. Divine Cybermancy sometime. That line is fucking gold.

Ah, guess it's the end for me then.
It's been fun anons. Soon I'll be free.

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>Now compare that same WRPG to Legend of Legaia and suddenly your entire argument goes down the gutter.
Legend of Legaia isn't even an ARPG. What are you talking about?

Severance was probably the best ARPG of its time, east or west. It took more than a decade before we even saw another ARPG with a similar approach (Dark Souls).

because you're not in front of a computer

Not only this chart is completely retarded to anyone who has played both games, but it is also ridiculously biased against PS:T.

For instance, it doesn't even bother to tackle the strongest aspect of the game (the writing), and outright downplays other strong aspects everyone recognizes (its setting, worldbuilding, lore, companions and their characterization).

Planescape: Torment isn't considered one of the best wRPGs of all time because of its combat, but because of its writing, miles ahead of anything JRPGs are yet to come close to.

Then again, that is a shitpost.

this pic is so fucking shit
using bioshock as a standard for anything hahaha

>"Yeah I prefer WRPG's. How did you know?"

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op is a fag. Both games are excellent.

Because you're currently trying to kill yourself

>chrono trigger came out 24 years ago. it still holds up today.
It really doesn't. Combat is even more braindead than Planescape, the difference is that combat makes up maybe 1% of Torment whereas it makes up over 90% of Chrono Trigger.

What’s the point of these threads again?

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whats the point of Yea Forums again?

EYE2 when

The difference being one is a genre that still exists

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Porn, wojak posting, and twitter screencap threads?

>Combat is even more braindead than Planescape
nothing is more braindead than "click once to win."

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>games age

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>kiddo
>not gamin
0.5/10

>Planescape: Torment isn't considered one of the best wRPGs of all time because of its combat, but because of its writing
why is it that jrpgs and sony exclusives get called "movie games" for having writing AND gameplay, but planescape gets a pass for only having writing?
>miles ahead of anything JRPGs are yet to come close to
planescape's writing is reddit-tier shlock. it pales in comparison to the persona 2 duology, the trails in the sky trilogy, suikoden ii, mother 3, etc.

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>nothing is more braindead than "click once to win."
As opposed to ''spam attack from menu to win" or spam dual/triple tech for menu to win even faster"'? At least in Planescape: Torment you can kill your own party members through friendly fire if you are stupid enough to cast a damaging AoE spell if they are in the direct vicinity.

So, I’m playing Witcher 3, Dragon’s Dogma, and TWEWY right now. You guys got any recommendations for me on PS4?

None of these are RPG, user

a compelling case

>Legend of Legaia
This isn't even a fucking ARPG with real time combat. Are you retarded?

>wrpg fags before Dark Souls
lmao JRPG are for kids and pedophiles, real players play games with actual game mechanics and interesting role playing possibilities such as Ultima

>wrpg fags after Dark Souls
now let's get real guys, the distinction between JRPG and WRPG is an anachronism. we're one big global family now, can't we all unite under one "RPG" banner together now?

Define reddit tier with actual words, use examples when possible

>At least in Planescape: Torment you can kill your own party members through friendly fire if you are stupid enough to cast a damaging AoE spell if they are in the direct vicinity.
i'm SHOCKED that a wrpg has a pointless gimmick that only exists to allow its neckbeard fanbase to jerk off to the faux-complexity of their game.

Shit, meant for and not

DS is a WRPG made in Japan. Just like TLOA is an anime made in America

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>i'm SHOCKED that a wrpg has a pointless gimmick that only exists to allow its neckbeard fanbase to jerk off to the faux-complexity of their game.

>friendly fire, a basic feature present in almost every game, including some jrpgs (e.g. tactics ogre/final fantasy tactics)
>"pointless gimmick"

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reddit-tier means that the game's writing displays high amounts of redditness.
for example, pic related features reddit's obsession with le quirky british accents as well as a literal cuck character.

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Fuck the Japs, third nuke when?

>>meh meh meh meh meh

Good start. But you sound like a tard saying high levels of redditness
Also plenty of people like British quirk, it was very popular at the time as well. Also that Scene is clearly the skull passively bitching. Skulls can't really be cucks

they should change his name to "rick and morte" because that's the level of writing on display.

The game was released over a decade before that show. You do know that right

>why is it that jrpgs and sony exclusives get called "movie games" for having writing AND gameplay, but planescape gets a pass for only having writing?
I've never called JRPGs and Sony exclusives "movie games" so I'm not prepared to answer that question.
>planescape's writing is reddit-tier shlock. it pales in comparison to the persona 2 duology, the trails in the sky trilogy, suikoden ii, mother 3, etc.
Namedropping games isn't enough, user.
Planescape: Torment goes to extreme lengths to flesh out its characters. But most importantly, Planescape: Torment's writing isn't filler. That's really, really hard to do. The issue with a lot of JRPG writing is that it is the definition of filler: the NPC barks a line just because you can interact with him/her, but it is usually meaningless and adds nothing of value to the game.

Moreover, Planescape: Torment lets you flesh out your character through dialogue like no other RPG has ever let you. In PS:T, you are not listening to NPCs talking or watching a cutscene like in a JRPG, or mindlessly pressing "X" (or "O") just to get to the next line. You actually maintain a conversation.

>people still defend planescape's horrific combat
What time line is this

>n PS:T, you are not listening to NPCs talking or watching a cutscene like in a JRPG, or mindlessly pressing "X" (or "O") just to get to the next line. You actually maintain a conversation.
Holy shit, the delusion in this post

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Who would even start a thread like this?
Surely, it couldn't have been me

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>Moreover, Planescape: Torment lets you flesh out your character through dialogue like no other RPG has ever let you.
holy shit, guys, the handful of dialogue options you get in planescape are more long-winded than the ones you get in other rpgs. this is so based!

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>Interactive Book good
>Visual Novel bad
You cannot refute this

Asians aren't actually romantic so they make these games. Westerners aren't actually sadistic so they make those games.

A shitpost isn't an argument, user.
That also isn't an argument either, why are you cherrypicking screenshots?

why are you lying about your "game"? it's the same shit as all other wrpgs: boring gameplay, reddit writing that mistakes forced quirkiness for humor and long-windedness for depth. there's nothing special about it.

>Maintain a "conversation"
>In one of the most awkward examples of purple prose ever implemented in a game
>With a literal NPC
You're completely fucking deluded m8.

It's sad that you claim I'm lying when literally every person who knows a shit about writing lauds Planescape: Torment.
>boring gameplay
Sad coming from a JRPG fan.

>In one of the most awkward examples of purple prose ever implemented in a game
There's no purple prose in dialogue, user.
Please come up with a better argument.

>no u

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>It's sad that you claim I'm lying when literally every person who knows a shit about writing lauds Planescape: Torment.
i guess the last of us is a masterpiece too, since normalfags also praised that trash.
>Sad coming from a JRPG fan.
planescape's gameplay would be considered unacceptable for a jrpg because the standards are higher. wrpgfags are just used to eating shit, so they don't know any better.

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THIS BELOW IS NOT AN ARGUMENT
>Rawk reddit reddit Rawk.
Parroting your quirkey le Yea Forums humor isn't either

>wrpgfags are just used to eating shit
But jrpg's just ripoff Ultima and Wizardry, how can they be any better?

>E.Y.E.
>Normal Western RPG

>has gotten to the point of lying.
I too enjoy spamming A in late 90s early 2000s jrpgs

because ultima and wizardry were boring slogs to actually play, whereas jrpgs took those ideas and made good games with them. doing something right is more important than doing it first.

>i guess the last of us is a masterpiece too, since normalfags also praised that trash.
I haven't played The Last of Us, but there's no doubt in my mind it has better storytelling than 99% JRPGs. It isn't particularly hard to achieve.
>wrpgfags are just used to eating shit, so they don't know any better.
Sad lie. WRPG fans admit the combat of PS:T is broken and unbalanced, doing away with many features found in the Baldur's Gate series which predated it (like a combat log and the inability to pause combat and spam healing items). But the vast majority agree the game's writing overshadows its pityful combat. I don't think JRPG fans can say the same about Final Fantasy XV, then again, they think "rawr! It means I love you in Dragon!" is actually compelling videogame writing.

>dragon warrior 1 and final Fantasy 1 were not a slog
Lmao the lies coming from your mouth

Exactly. user is an underage who has never played classic JRPGs, which are a boring slow because there's barely any strategy (none at all in Dragon Warrior, actually) to them, and most of them rely on level grinding to add some challenge into the game.

The best part is even JRPG journalists dare say Dragon Warrior is better than newer entries in the franchise, which either shows:

1. They know nothing about videogames and claim to have played games they actually haven't.
2. They have awful tastes.
3. New JRPGs are actually worse than Dragon Warrior, one of the worst RPGs ever made.

good luck mindlessly spamming a in smt nocturne, saga frontier, breath of fire: dragon quarter, unlimited saga, shining force 2 (on super or ouch difficulty), etc.

>has to list jrpgs from at least a decade over

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>Alliance Alive
>SMTIV:A
>Etrian Odyssey V
>Mary Skelter

You could say the same thing about western RPGs before they went multiplatform, user. Why do you feel like lying to prove your point? The sad part is that most of the titles you mentioned were very poorly received by JRPG fans. Shining Force II is strictly a tactical RPG, and "tactical" is the name of the game for cRPGs (the difference being cRPGs don't have "combat scenarios" that progress the story as SRPGs do).

Nocturne is great, though, but I may as well mention Wizardry IV and this discussion is over.

>several decades
Though I do enjoy etrian Odyssey. It's a jrpg twist to old school wrpg crawlers

E.Y.E is a masterpiece in writing

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>I haven't played The Last of Us, but there's no doubt in my mind it has better storytelling than 99% JRPGs.
tlou is netflix-tier trash. megaten alone easily beats it with the persona 2 duology, soul hackers and digital devil saga.
>WRPG fans admit the combat of PS:T is broken and unbalanced
no they don't. there are people unironically defending the combat in this thread.
>they think "rawr! It means I love you in Dragon!" is actually compelling videogame writing.
meanwhile, wrpgfags' idea of great writing is "Truth (Speech 40): Love is a word. Words have many meanings. Words can be different in different languages. Like Dragon, for instance. If a human wants to say they love someone, they say 'I love you.' But dragons? Dragons just say 'rawr.' Isn't that amazing?"

EOV was only two years ago

you specified "late '90s, early 2000s jrpgs." i gave counter-examples from that timeframe. now you're moving the goalposts.

>play through EYE once every year or so
I still don't understand what's happening

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you are pigeonholed into becoming a mage because wis/int are the most important stats for the narrative (charisma is important too)

>one shoting bosses in planescape
who gives a shit?

The fucking Jians did it, finally an excuse to throw them out of the Secreta!

>megaten
>better writing than anything
It's bottom of the barrel anime tropes with an obnoxious veneer of faux-philosophical pretentiousness. Even other jrpgs vastly outclass it.

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I meant from games like ultima 4

You are right I should have specified pre ps2. Sorry for nudging the posts

Drakengard

>you are pigeonholed into becoming a mage because wis/int are the most important stats for the narrative (charisma is important too)
The most important stats for dialogue are wisdom and charisma, both of which are useless for a mage. Intelligence isn't checked all that often, and that's the only stat tied to arcane spellcasting.

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ok wrpg-kun

Why doesn't this count "OHNONONONO" posts?

imagine thinking wrpgs or jrpgs are good.

the skype call gave me anxiety

Would you want to delete half of Yea Forums every 2 minutes if you did it for free

The best part of this cherrypicking is that there are actually differences to what you answer. As opposed to "but thou must!".
>meanwhile, wrpgfags' idea of great writing is "Truth (Speech 40): Love is a word. Words have many meanings. Words can be different in different languages. Like Dragon, for instance. If a human wants to say they love someone, they say 'I love you.' But dragons? Dragons just say 'rawr.' Isn't that amazing?"
No, sorry. You wouldn't see that kind of writing in western RPGs because we don't like anime much.

ultima and wizardry are fucking garbage.
Arcade jap games were better than that tripe.

I'm sorry that you think your opinion is fact, user.

the irony.

>ultima and wizardry are fucking garbage.
>Arcade jap games were better than that tripe.

Is that why those arcade jap games were literally plagiarizing them?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanadu_(video_game)

>Origin Systems founder and Ultima series creator Richard Garriott flew into Tokyo to have a meeting with Nihon Falcom about having Origin release Xanadu in the US, as well as having Falcom help with releasing a port of Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar in Japan. However, Xanadu contained artwork directly lifted from the manuals of the role-playing game Ultima III: Exodus. During the presentation of the game, several digitized pictures from the manual of Ultima III appeared in various shops in the game. Upon seeing this, Garriott and Origin ended the meeting and decided to sue Falcom; the lawsuit was settled out of court and the artwork in the game was changed to what appears now.

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>You wouldn't see that kind of writing in western RPGs
but you do all the time. see

>superior Arcade quality games were better than rpgs
Some big brain observations here.

Honestly the worst part of these threads is that older jrpg makers talk about how much they love wrpgs. How those inspired them to make their own

>retarded westfag thinks i was referring to jrpgs

this reads like some soi orbiter trying to make his goddess thot feel better after her boyfriend dumped her, yikes

If I was a total autist shut in like mods usually are then yes.

I'm sorry, I don't see the resemblance. You effectively posted generic nonsense, which is commonly seen in JRPGs. Skill checks in western RPGs are about useful things, on the other hand.

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Personally, I just play both kinds of RPGs if they interest me. I never saw the point in picking a side.

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>go to bed
>wake up and see this thread is still up
>read all these replies to my post
>not a single argument
lol @ wRPGfags

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persona has skill checks and dialogue options that are as short as the ones in your picture, and you bitch endlessly about it anyway.

this is what JRPG fans sound like

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Sadly Persona is the definition of inane JRPG dialogue.

What? You think Nips aren't

this is what wrpg fans sound like.

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>persona has skill checks and dialogue options
Not in any meaningful sense.

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You are joking, right? It is always JRPG fans boasting about how complex JRPG storylines are. Hell, JRPGs love their edgy and philosophical stories (assuming "killing God" can be defined as one).

>woke rpg

>he doesn't know

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JRPGs and WRPGs have completely different focuses in what they want to do

JRPGs want to tell you an adventure or make you have fun in it's combat/characters

WRPGs want to tell you a message or have you experience a world.

while I prefer WRPGs, comparing both of them is meaningless since they don't want to achieve the same thing.

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>xenotrash
10/10 bait

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yes in any meaningful sense. you can't even start some social links before getting enough points in a certain social stat. your dialogue choices also determine how quickly or slowly the social links progress, which in turn determines how many of the associated perks you have access to by the end of the game. try actually playing games instead of just shitposting about them.

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Th-those don't count
Fuck where's my shitposting image...

fucking BASED
westpigs seething

Is that Sacred 2 on the last pic on wrpg side?

both suck

defend this.

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This is finally it Yea Forums, I'm going to call it here.
>just threw all my money into one stock and lost it all 5k in a week
>mom use to keep me locked in the basement for days when i was younger and never got caught for it
>family wants to kill me
>keep hearing niggers and homos giggling 10 feet from my window every night
>get gang stalked every single day (helicopters sometimes keep flying over me and i know they're spying on me because of the way they're rotating)
>older brother has recently came out as a tranny and has admitted he has sexual feelings for me
>younger sister is a furry, also one time caught her masturbating to loli porn
And thats not even half of it, even thinking about my life makes me sick to my stomach. But i'm honestly just going to cut straight to the point. Since you guys have always been my main board, and since you've kept me entertained and sometimes happy. I'll return the favor. I'll be streaming my suicide in about 20 minutes. In the mean time, I'll answer any questions you may have for me.

stream link and quick rundown:
pastebin.com/vPSEpqY6

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fucking defEND THIS.

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Let's see what kind of shitty "I wanna start an argument" threads we've got
>sony vs nintendo console war threads
>wrpg vs jrpg "the other one is shit" war threads (this is one)
>steam vs epic store war threads
>twitch vs mixer streaming service war threads
I'm beginning to think that the reason we're getting all these shitty "HEY LET'S ARGUE ABOUT POINTLESS SHIT" threads is because controversy sells. You cunts are all playing into the newest marketing trick, and that's outrage culture itself.

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I DARE YOU FUCKING DIRTY DISGUSTING WEEBS DEFEND THIS SHIT.
IMAGINE IF YOUR PARENTS SAW YOU DEFENDING THIS GARBAGE.

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Hurry up and kill yourself then faggot nobody cares

wRPG fags on suicide watch

Superior to XII-and XVturd in every way.

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>cherry picking
western games are trash

JRPG
> "ching chong ding ding fried rice egg roll"
WRPG
> "You've gotten a lot farther than you should have, but then you haven't met Frank Horrigan either. Your ride's over, mutie. Time to die."

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these threads are trash designed by autists to argue ad-infinitum about nonsense
It's literally a bunch of manchildren screeching "REEEE STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE"

>JRPG
no cyberlegs 10x
>WRPG
cyberlegs 10x

simple as

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This is pretty much why I don't play JRPGs. Ironically the two big exceptions are the less colorful games: Dragon's Dogma and Dark Souls. Dragon's Dogma would be even less colorful if the picture wasn't aiming at the sky.

>western rpg
>a decade old game
REALLY MAKES YOU THINK

She's a literal semen demon, her outfit is justified (and functional).
Based Horrigan-pilled.

>color is bad

You can have colors without resorting to anime aesthetic. If you choose to put all games with a medieval aesthetic on the same bag, which means forests, ground and castles, then it is obvious you will have a fairly dull color palette. Games like Deus Ex and Shadowrun have much more colorful palettes thanks to their cyberpunk settings.

>it's ok when wRPGs do it

youre comparing a big titty girl with her tits and ass hanging out to whatever the fuck was posted earlier with the big ass arms like what the fuck is that shit im sorry but its way worse

>it's ok when wRPGs do it

the designs are both radically different

>anime aesthetic
Anime has so many different styles that doesn't even mean anything at all

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anime isn't a single aesthetic, and only 2 (arguably 3) of the 10 games on the jRPG side have art that can fall under the anime umbrella

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When the design is justified, it's okay when JRPGs and WRPGs do it.
>hurr durr anime has so many different styles that doesn't even mean anything at all

What if i turn your disgusting WRPGS into JRPGS? pigs.

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Xenoblade´s combat was ass, you couldn't effectively control how the ally AI behaved, and most of the time they did nothing but stupid shit.

This was more obvious in the hardest fights.

It's funnt because RPG's were made in the west with D&D and other table tops with focuse on actually playing a role, but Japan thought those games would be too complicated for their audiences and instead made a simplistic version that only carried over surface level mechanics without the role playing or choice which comprised the actual purpose of the games, then Japan thought that their watered down 'rp'gs would be too complicated for the west and so made even dumber games like mystic quest for them.

The point of RPG is the RP, the choices, character creation, story, and dialogue options that emulate a table top RP experience. Sure many WRPGs have great gameplay, but that should never be the focus because of the genre.

Name me fucking 1 JRPG with better writing and roleplay than Falllout 1 to NV or even Baldur's gate

Japanese RPGs focused on the gameplay and combat mechanics in table top games like D&D while western RPGs tried to continue in those games spirit of free choice and actual role play

in reality, jrpg game designers were also playing d&d and board games back in the day. the difference is that they actually made good games.

Have you played a NES JRPG or are you talking straight out of your ass?

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>then Japan thought that their watered down 'rp'gs would be too complicated for the west and so made even dumber games like mystic quest for them
The kind of people who are deep into D&D are a very small fraction of people who'd play video games in the West or console games in general since Japan wasn't big on PC at the time so of course they'd send over easier games to appeal to the casual market.
Also like with a lot of shitty WRPGs there are also a lot of bad JRPGs and some really good ones that focus more on ability management, and use of buffs/debuffs in combat while making the story seem more simple fantasy then some of the clusterfucks you get with stuff like 4e DnD and Pathfinder.

>Sure many WRPGs have great gameplay, but that should never be the focus
>GAMEplay should never be the focus in a role playing GAME
the absolute state of westaboos. no wonder the west only makes "cinematic experiences" instead of games.

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the primary point of a video game is to have engaging gameplay, dumbed down tabletop does not make for a good game.

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my almonds...

>yes in any meaningful sense.
The vast majority of social link ranks don't have any stat requirements.

But that's beside the point. What do you think the purpose of a dialogue system is? It's to simulate a certain type of interaction. This can serve a variety of gameplay purposes, like getting information to bypass an obstacle, solving a quest, recruiting a new partymember, convincing an NPC to do something, receiving a certain reward, etc.

A normal RPG approaches this by giving you control at every step in the conversation. When you click on an NPC in Planescape: Torment, the conversation doesn't even start, you first have to greet them. Then, whenever an NPC says something, you can say something in reply. And at any time you can exit the conversation. Certain dialogue responses can have certain outcomes, sometimes negatively (like an npc turning hostile or fleeing). Sometimes having a certain party member with you can make the NPC react differently, steering the conversation in a different direction.

Now let's look at Persona 5. You can't strike up a conversation with an NPC manually. Dialogue only occurs in cutscenes, and the player has no control. NPCs will talk for 5 or even 10+ minutes at a time before the player is allowed a response. During this time, the player is not allowed to say or do anything. And even when a response is allowed, it's almost always meaningless fluff that has no effect on the conversation. The only effect it can potentially have is raising social links, and even that only applies to when you specifically hang out with that character for the sole purpose of raising their social link.

This is pretty the much worst possible way you could design a dialogue system. This is not gameplay, this is a movie.

>JRPGs don't have meaningful cho-

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Your post was just a word salad that amounted to
>"Uhh Zenoblade has a more complicated setting and therefore that means it's writing is better"
You know you're talking about the same franchise that the "Make a girl smile, it's all worth while, make a girl cry, that's not gonna fly" shit came from right?

Here's the real big dick take.
Persona 5 is only remember for its characters designs, E.Y.E on the other hand, is remember for its dialog, game-play and story.

>Superior to XII
said no one ever

Try to unironically play Final fantasy 1.

...

You almost had a decent argument going until the quote you decide to back it up with

>why is it that jrpgs and sony exclusives get called "movie games" for having writing AND gameplay, but planescape gets a pass for only having writing?
Because the people who call games that have stories 'movie games' are just Nintenfags that think if a game has any more story than "Save de Princess, bing bang wahoo" is an attempt at high art

Meanwhile a JRPG released in 1999 is still fun today.

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So you don't actually care about good writing you only like it when a game doesn't do something that upsets your autism?

>"Wahh I don't like reading!"
we knew that already. If you liked reading you wouldn't be playing Jrpgs

KNEE
NICKELS

JRPGs have so little plot and so little actually good plot that they couldn't even get on netflix, tard

Is Pokemon Red Mystery Dungeons a JRPG? Playing it on the WiiU, I'm having fun. Had a Spearow ask if they wanted to join in (a rando from the dungeon), I accepted, sadly it didn't make it till the end of my mission. Rip Spearro.

You took a literal joke out of context, dude, You that desperate? The goof was that if you had less then 30 speech you'd get flustered and act suspicious.

It makes no sense to compare old and new games. Divinity original sin is a very interesting game series.

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Some pokemon aren't cut out to be part of a rescue team, it hurts to hear but it's true.

if i had a nuke to delete half of Yea Forums sure i would

>The vast majority of social link ranks don't have any stat requirements.
you need rank 4 guts to start iwai's social link, you need rank 3 knowledge to start makoto's social link, and you need rank 3 charm to start hifumi's social link.
then there's other social links that start normally but require skill checks to progress further. for instance, ann's social link starts automatically, but in order to reach rank 2 with her, you need rank 2 kindness. you can start tae's social link normally, but you need rank 2 guts to get to rank 2 with her. etc., etc.
>This can serve a variety of gameplay purposes, like getting information to bypass an obstacle, solving a quest, recruiting a new partymember, convincing an NPC to do something, receiving a certain reward, etc.
likewise, in persona 5, reaching a certain milestone in a social link unlocks a special perk for the gameplay. for example, getting to rank 7 with kawakami allows her to make food and infiltration tools for you so you don't have to spend time doing it yourself. getting to rank 5 with yoshida increases your chances to get a rare item from demons in negotiation. getting to rank 2 with shinya allows you to sometimes start a battle with a gun-based all-out attack if you've ambushed the enemy. each social link has several of these that progressively get better as you keep ranking up.
bottom line: you don't play jrpgs. you just shitpost about them. when you don't have a pre-prepared, cherrypicked image macro, you just make up lies and hope nobody's played the games to call you out on it.

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Nes JRPGS might of been aceptable for the time but play like fucking ass now, SNES JRPGS are pretty good and still hold up but since 3D JRPGs have focused more on who can make the prettiest potted plant than actually improving with the advancements made to gameplay and story in the past 2 decades.

>I need an example for an wrpg
>let me use a fps
what?

>That game is the definition of all style no substance
ironically, this "criticism" has zero substance. it's just a generic, purposefully vague take that shitposters always resort to when they want to whine about p5 but they haven't played it.

>I personally like games with less story and more gameplay, so then everyone should like the same things and any game that focuses on story is just a movie

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WRPGs from 1998 are also still fun to play.

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What's that RPG where you play the entire game in an underground city called?

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>mfw popped that nigga

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All videogames are trash compared to a pen and paper RPG with a good GM.

>soijack
having a game focused on story is fine as long as the gameplay is still fine. Obviously not the case with planescape.

they driver/blade comboed and healed fine

My favorite Final Fantasy, truth be told

Maybe for you sure, what I was saying is that some people don't care as much about gameplay if it means they can experience a story that could not be told through any other medium

there are plenty of games that fit this bill and still have good gameplay e.g. shadow of the colossus

there's nothing in planescape that couldn't be told through another medium. they could literally just make a choose-your-own-adventure book out of its plot. at least then it wouldn't be gated behind the atrocious gameplay.

>there's nothing in planescape that couldn't be told through another medium
This is true for every single videogame, user.

Sure? SotC is more of a simple story though, just a very well told and striking one. A WRPG though allows for specific things like player choice and extensive side quests that aren't in other genres however.

Even them it's not like all WRPGs have bad gameplay, just some to many people would still be a worth while play regardless

I don't see why that excuses poor gameplay. They are not mutually exclusive

A CYOA book wouldn't able to have the same audio and visual information given to the player, and unless the book was fucking gigantic, wouldn't have anywhere near the amount of content.

What’s the picture on the right from?

Maybe for you it wouldn't. What I'm saying is that somw people won't care and would like the other features so much they'll overlook it. And that doing that is also a correct way to play

FFX is the objectively the best RPG of all time kys nigger.

Why did I buy this game?

>you need rank 4 guts to start iwai's social link, you need rank 3 knowledge to start makoto's social link, and you need rank 3 charm to start hifumi's social link.
Congratulations, you listed 3 out of 20+ social links. Like I said, the vast majority doesn't require social stats. And some social stats might as well be handed to you anyway with how easy they are to raise.

>bottom line: you don't play jrpgs. you just shitpost about them.

>I point out that dialogue choices in P5 only affect social links
>your reply? Here, look at how these dialogue choices in P5 affect social links! You shitposter!

Why are you telling me this? I already pointed this out myself. Yes, I know that social links carry gameplay perks. That's the entire idea behind social perks, you imbecile.

Why are you not addressing the bulk of my post, where I pointed out that 99.99% of Persona 5's dialogue offers no real interactivity or player engagement, since nothing you say (that is, on the rare occasion you're allowed a response) has any effect on the conversation.

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so you agree that planescape's story could in fact be told through other mediums and doesn't justify the shitty gameplay, then?
it's not like planescape's boring and ugly graphics ever present anything of visual interest to the player. at least as a book, the reader could imagine for themselves what the world of planescape looks like.

I love the freedom that Divinity gives you.
Which is why I feel that it's really out of place when my cheeki breeki sneeki shenanigans nets me an instant kill (trying to steal the bloodstone in the immaculate temple for instance)

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>Congratulations, you listed 3 out of 20+ social links.
congratulations, you ignored all the other social links that require stat checks later on.
>And some social stats might as well be handed to you anyway with how easy they are to raise.
all of them require constant time management throughout the game. in all of the calendar system personas, it's difficult to max out all stats and social links in one playthrough unless you're following a guide - and if you mess up even a tiny bit, you have little-to-no leeway to make up for it.
>I point out that dialogue choices in P5 only affect social links
>your reply?
my reply was pointing out how ranking up in social links changes what you can do in combat, retard.
the stats themselves also affect gameplay - for instance, ranking up in proficiency allows you to make more infiltration tools at a time, ranking up in charm unlocks a job that boosts kindness, etc.

>EYE was several centuries ago

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both are good you're just a faggot

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>Divinity original sin is a very interesting game series.
Yeah, a good example of how not to design your games.

>horrible strawman argument
"R-refute my points then!"
Weeabo trannies are pathetic creatures

Why would you compare these two games specifically?
Who made this?
I'm an XB2 fag and this makes me angry

just chose one of many recent jRPGs vs "one of the best wRPGs"

Are you comparing a 2017 game with one released 18 years ago?
You weebs are fucking pathetic

The point is the counter the wRPGretards images. Seems to be working fine since he can't argue against it.

see

It's like the Rosetta Stone of shitposting.

Good point he should have compared it with a 1998 JRPG that still blows it out of the water.

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>Culterbros no selling WRPG-Kun's bullshit
I love you and hope you gain much brouzouf and the best +10 cyberlegs ever.

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This game fucking sucked. Worst 20 dollars spent on an rpg

You're just jealous that the glorious nippon role playing games are way better than anything the mediocre west can create

Brouzoufs and cyberlegs will come to you but only if you reply "my legs are ok"

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newfag leave

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>cool lion va furfag Shit

1999 is when chrono cross, digimon world, final fantasy 8, legend of mana, saga frontier 2, persona 2: innocent sin, valkyrie profile, and front mission 3 came out.
you should be thankful he compared your wrpg trash to xenocringe 2 instead of those classics.

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Dammit someone else posted

My parents hate pretty much anything cartoony or too violent that isn't a movie, book, or TV series because cartoons and fantasy are apparently for children and people who cannot grow up and get into "respectable" hobbies, so I'm fairly sure they'd hate both E.Y.E. and mrs. supernatural roid arms alien there.

>ff8

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t. brainlet who got filtered by the junction system

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DEJA VU

>final fantasy game
>filtered
they're all braindead easy

Xenoblade 1 and Xenoblade X are games I'm looking forward to play on my Wii U. Doesn't look like it's Waifu bait. Why is 2 being brought up in all of this, is it just better?

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my eyes are fucking bleeding
weebs need to be shot

Based Xenochad triggering all these westards

Le fucking rekt i understand hon hon hon hon

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Except a cRPG vastly streamlines the CYOA approach that could be applied to any videogame story.

xeno 2 is cringed at by most jrpg enthusiasts because of its korean mmo gameplay, gacha elements, garish character designs, terrible dub and overreliance on the worst anime tropes. the fact that it still effortlessly beats the greatest wrpg ever in every category speaks volumes.

Fuck the clusters

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Holy shit this is a game that I can actually play on my 2009 PC. I'll put this on the waiting list after I go through Wii U stuff.

Stop making waves

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>Comparing game design philosophy of two games whose release dates are nearly twenty years apart

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I fucking hate weebs so much

being 20 years older doesn't excuse horrible gameplay. Plenty of games in the late 90s (in fact, some of the best ever) have excellent gameplay. Hiding behind a release date doesn't mean shit.

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>this image makes me very upset because it's correct and I can't prove it wrong

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Fucking weeb

undertale

see

Do you seriously expect anyone to take your cancerous waifushit seriously? Weebs are mentally ill

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No I meant the one where the lore says that the sun went dark or something

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see

oneshot?

Underrail?

You know theres other banners than anime shit

All this tells me is how trash jrpgs and wrpgs are, yet they're worshipped by this shithole.
Really
The final redpill, most, if not all games are fucking garbage.

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Categorizing eurojank in the WRPG category is misleading. The west can't produce entertainment for shit and rely entirely on slavs and frenchies to do everything for them.

arx fatalis?

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American image board

>dude why aren’t you taking my obvious steaming pile of feces seriously?!?
Just neck yourself

Still no. I think it's one of those old WRPG style games.
Thanks anyways for the suggestions, I've really gotta check them out
Oh shit yea that's the one
Thanks

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see

Fuck you

>American image board
...created to discuss japanese media. notice how the only people crying about "weebs" are post-election newfags.

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Spamming the same post isn’t an argument.

see

Damn, never played Planescape Torment but this definitely makes me want to.

>KEK KEK KEK KEK KEK

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Test. Fuck jannies btw

I can't bring up additional arguments if you don't bring up any points against my original claims, sorry

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>all these asshurt responses without any constructive counterarguments
Guess he's right

shouldn't you reset your game if TNO dies, canonically?

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No ones right everything is right

Stay mad weeb

can someone give me a list of all the WRPG's in this?
I recognise Skyrim, the witcher on the left and Demon's Souls, dragon's dogma on the right. I'm looking for good RPG's to play

dont make me post ">japanese humor" again punk

go ahead, you won't disprove anything I said

Someone post the webms to shut up these pathetic cunts

see

Are you by any chance announcing your report?

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I haven't played Planetscape:Torment but XC2 was a huge disappointment.

The combat is incredibly trivial once you realise that you're best off doing the exact same thing in every single battle (build up orbs then perform a chain attack).

The customisability is practically pointless since the game is so easy that you don't even have to bother playing around with it. Even if the game gives you a ton of potential blades to unlock you don't want to bother unlocking them because they're locked behind a shitty gacha system. Plus practically none of the customisability is cosmetic, something XC1 at least did.

The world design is nice but there's very little incentive to truly explore outside your own curiosity. The side quests are all pretty boring fetch quests too (admittedly this can be said for most RPGs) but XC2 forces in lengthy cutscenes in order to tell utterly dull stories for each blade.

The plot is utter garbage and falls apart the moment you give it a second of thought. Just one example, Emperor Niall ordering his blade to save everyone from Bana's explosion, only to jump outside of the shield's protection to get himself killed (although he gets revived anyway so the "sacrifice" was both unecessary both from a logical and story perspective). And it turns out the explosion doesn't even kill Bana since he just gets arrested afterwards anyway.

The world building had more effort put into it than a lot of games but it still was ruined by hamfisted references to the original.

Soundtrack is pretty good, although there are some tracks that don't fit the setting and the sound balance in cutscenes is usually pretty poor (music too loud and overpowers the voices).

W1's combat requires you to properly utilize oils and potions, as well as stance dancing unlike 3 which is just braindead

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take everything you said and amplify it by 10x shittiness. That's P:T

>Emperor Niall ordering his blade to save everyone from Bana's explosion, only to jump outside of the shield's protection to get himself killed
it's unknown where the explosion will come from, or if the switch will even blow shit up where they're at

Eat shit throw your nintendo switch

yes but
>left: trashcan anime world that transitions from weebshit high fantasy to postmodernist sci-fi, you play as generic anime kids and waifus that look completely off their world and surroundings
>right: lore, characters, theme, setting is all integrated and intact

What bothers me so much is that now characters can't have negative qualities anymore and still be a good person. You can't be a good and heroic person and also be a bigot. You are either straight virtuous across the board or secretly a huge monster and being a bigot is just the tip off for the facade.

Dang, I was looking at this for a good three minutes trying to figure out how you'd translate "shit was so cash" before I realized that My name is John and I hate every single one of you... is actually a different copypasta.

>wrpg fans only argument is calling someone a weeaboo or saying the game is too anime

except it's not

Now I want to replay Ys Origin

Also while it's not really relevant to that image, I'd also like to note that the start of XC2 is really poor. Right off the bat the voice acting is dogshit. It gets marginally better throughout the game, as if the voice actors eventually got accustomed to the characters throughout recording but it's still pretty shit since the voice actors were probably given zero context when reading their lines. And it looks like they just left in their first takes of each recording rather than going back and redoing the first few chapters. Even the Japanese audio was as generic as every other Japanese game. It's a shame since the VAs in XC1 were actual stage actors and you could tell they were well-experienced. It was a nice change of pace from the usual Japanese voice acting which sounds like a Saturday morning cartoon whenever Americans voice-act it.

Then your first main mission is to navigate a small enclosed area and it highlights how poor the camera controls are. It's not too bad in open areas (which is the majority of the game thankfully) but that first experience really drops your interest in the game. The game also lacks a lot of polish in terms of how your character controls and how the visuals look (particularly when playing undocked). Quite frankly if I didn't pay money for the game I would have dropped it after the first hour since it was borderline intolerable.

Even after looking past the flaws and eventually completing the game, I wouldn't particularly recommend it to a friend unless they were a diehard weeb with no interest in anything but anime titties.

Weeb, even your fellow weebsitter is destroying XC2 hard. It's over.

I really think there's a distinction to be made about XC2. The overall plot and world are actually pretty good. The writing of literally any given scene is what brings it down.
Like, imagine the potential for a story with the same premise as XC2.
> Living weapons scattered by a god who accidentally caused a cataclysm are man's sole hope for survival
> One of them, particularly important for its theoretical strength and potential ability to end mankind's main struggle for good, has been missing so long as to be an artefact in and of itself
> Gets foisted on a "chosen one" who doesn't know dick from shit and has to teach him everything
> Protagonist grows into a fitting "chosen one" over the course of the game, makes a few friends, standard hero's journey fare
You have to admit, it has a lot of potential.

Rex isn't a chosen one, he's just a regular guy which is why the story works

Pyra wasn't unbound from Adam, but he could still wield her. Only The Worthy, etc etc. Chosen one.

I need to play E.Y.E now faggots.

Give me a fucking guide you double jian

aegises don't follow blade rules in terms of bonding, anyone would have worked as long as they could resonate. It isn't something special, minoth does it with amalthus/adam as a simple flesh eater

actually scratch that I don't even think you need to be able to resonate since she was already initially pulled out.

I agree, although it is relatively easy to come up with a general skeleton plot. The hard part is actually coming up with a cohesive chain of events to move that plot forwards and XC2 generally fails at that. Sometimes it's better to just have a simpler plot if you aren't capable of writing a complex one. For example, XC1's plot was a fairly bog-standard revenge plot up until Prison Island but it was effective enough. Although even in that game things started to fall apart as soon as they tried to introduce more complex aspects to the story.

He's just a regular guy who happened to be from the same tiny village as the ancient hero, that happened to be groomed from birth by a titan/major ally of the hero and just happened to share a lifeforce with an Aegis.

anyone from leftheria would have done (which isn't necessary for pyra, but to be recruited by Torna), Azurda joins Rex because he's the only one who leaves backwater fonsett.

No, the real problems with XC2 are the pacing, character designs/models and just overall how janky it is. 99% of people who don't consume the weirdest anime out there will have the awkward designs and models bring them out of the experience. It also spends too much time in the chapters before 5 and not enough time fleshing out the later ones, which further led to a number of missed opportinities and bad writing decisions. Rex's development is so ridiculously rushed that most people don't even notice it's there. Chapter 9 being so short was an idiotic decision that didn't allow any time to breath between Indol's attack and the rest of the climb up the World Tree that lead into the end of Jin's character. And the way they handled the post credit revival was just dumb and lazy.

The requirements to unlocking the passage to the Aegis were simply being Leftherien iirc

>mention Xenoblade 2
>autists come in droves to defend this turd
KEK, you are almost reaching the same autism as fucking Barry

The SEEDfags of RPGs

no defending is necesasry, there has been no argument against

>Rex isn't a chosen one, he's just a regular guy which is why the story works
Are you retarded? The entire idea behind the chosen one trope is that someone is just a regular guy...until he discovers that he is a chosen one. That's what Rex is.

>this delusion
kek

>until he discovers that he is a chosen one
he's a regular guy from start to finish

Nobody said it was perfect but it's still miles better than most wrpgs.

based OP forcing the J*ans to crawl out of the woodwork

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>EYE will never get a sequel

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>than most wrpgs.
Nah

XC2fags are the worst weebs. That's how fucking bad they are, the cancer of the cancer.

Given how all the supposedly good ones are 20 year old jank it's not a high bar to reach

certainly better than "one of the greatest wRPGs of all time"

But UnderRail expansion came last month.

0 (you)s

Greater than Gothic 2?
Nah

While that may be true plenty of perfectly competent JRPGs and WRPGs were produced by 1999 that had significantly better gameplay

Keyword "most" and other wrpg fans refuse to acknowledge it's existence because its an indie game made by a serb.

>there is someone out there that actually believes this
I have never wanted to punch someone over the internet so bad before

It was supposed to. It was going to be a prequel, revolving around 4 players doing mercenary work or something.
The plan was to use the funds from Space Hulk to make it, but sales weren't so hot because the game was a bit mediocre, so it was canned.

you want to punch me because you're upset you can't disprove me

>>there is someone out there that actually believes this
It was made by Hans, a notorious german Xeno 2 faggot.
And he only played Xenoturd 2 of all other Xeno games.

everything in the image can be applied to xenoblade 1, except the depiction of god

>xenoblade 1
Sure Xeno 2 faggot :)

Based as fuck, any average jrpg obliterates western autism simulators any day.

Do you really want it to be compared to xenoblade x? It's already enough of a slaughter as it is.

>not even a new IP
kek retard

Anyone can disprove your garbage opinion, it just isn't worth the effort over a dumb weeb game.

How do you know him?

>How do you know him?
Posts the same screenshots over and over again.
Never has new material when "defending" Xenoturd 2.

no, you can't. The image largely consists of factual information

>weeb
>weeb
>weeb
This word has no meaning anymore does it

>gives argument
>doesn't have argument

jrpg fags don't know how to read.

Fuck man, not now.

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Not in a million years, weeb tranny.

see

What's the right?

if nothing else, it exposes the redditors who came here after the election. only redditors would go to a website about japanese media and complain that there are fans of japanese media.

You seem to be really triggered by being called what you are. Maybe go back to your hugbox subreddits if you can't take it.

Curious what game is this?

Retard. You PLAY the ROLE of Face Mcfucked and it's west so it's a wrpg.

except xc2 was garbage lol

A journal entry from New Vegas DLC which makes the comparison ridiculous.

>butthurt to the point you want to punch me
>I'm the one who's triggered

>hurr look at me i'm a centrist!
Fuck off faggot

Yes, user, the chads that beat your ass in school were just butthurt.

How much variation is there in multiple playthroughs of Persona 5, or Xenoblade Chronicles? Not much, if any at all.

>you have to throw yourself into the East vs. West shitflinging or else you're a faggot
seems about right

Videogames aren't politics you can enjoy super mario and then go play darkest dungeon it makes no difference.

Every word the normalfags get their hands on will lose all meaning. Weeb, troll, these retards will butcher everything

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>How much variation is there in multiple playthroughs of Persona 5, or Xenoblade Chronicles?
0

you've reached a new level of projection

Why do you fags always make blank OP posts and not say anything?

Oh yes how could I forget that every wrpg playthrough is a completely unique experience with different stories and dialog each time that totally happens in every wprg ever made.

Cope

something wRPG fans have been doing for decades

They’re both good. Shut the fuck up assholes

Stay obsessed

yet it's still much better than "one of the greatest wRPGs ever made". Really shows how shit the genre is.

Then where does the rp in jrpg come from? If every player has the exact same ecpetience then what role playing aspect do these games have? I haven't played a jrpg since romancing saga 2 when it rereleased, but there was still a format to your own player character, and the party composition that at least somewhat defined a playthrough. Did FFVII and Chrono Trigger ruin jrpgs that badly?

>super mario world came out 29 years ago. it still holds up today.
no it doesn’t

And?

most recent was "snowflake"

Retard

Tranny

See

> play a role
> want to change it
What the fuck do you think a role is you titanic cockmonger? Do you think Will Smith was allowed to say whatever the fuck he wanted because he was "playing the role" of Genie? No. He had a fucking script. That's what a "role" is.
If a game doesn't have character creation (ergo giving you an unfixed role from the start), there is not even the SLIGHTEST obligation to let the story be any different from another run. What's different will be the gameplay.

>how to out yourself in 60 seconds

keyword "one of"

It certainly can be. I haven't actually played Planescape torment but Fallout 1 and 2 offer enough choices and character builds to make a new playthrough feel somewhat fresh. You and a friend can talk about the different outcomes you had, instead of just "remember when that happened" like it's a movie or TV show.

I don't want to make a statement which one is objectively better, but I usually find JRPG OSTs superior to WRPG ones, but I haven't played that many WRPG so please post the best shit WRPGs have to offer so I can make an informed opinion.

So you're saying in a typical jrpg, you just follow a script with little input or agency from the player, like an actor playing a role compeltely pre-written by someone else, with no nuance or personal inflection allowed? Sounds about right.

>a single frame from fallout2 is better than the entire jrpg genre

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people meme about the UI
but every single bit of information on the screen tells you something and every something is useful to any encounter that matters
sure there's probably a better way to portray the information but nothing is there purely for show it all serves an important purpose

If you really want to nag on XC2 for UI then mention how slow it is to swap blades to meet the requirements for the field stuff.
>Oh I need 5 of this skill
>I know I have the combination of blades that can fulfill this
>open menu
>go to blades
>swap to skill window
>go one by one through every blade finding the one that fits
>oh one of them isn't bound to rex, let me rebind real quick
>blah blah
>okay now I can do this
>pass test
>immediately another field test right afterwards with different skills so you have to start all the way over
It happens so often and it's fucking annoying

Yeah and your actual party and skills can still be completely up to you, even FFV an ancient snes game allows for a great deal of freedom in choosing what skills and jobs to develop.

there are like 6 required field skill checks through the main game. It sucks ass for optional content though

In a typical JRPG, the story is you following the script without much agency. The gameplay is a lot more open.

Most for some reason also neglect to mention that you can hide the attack and blade names at the bottom.

the music in Might and Magic 6 to 8 is beautiful, same sound team as the HoMM games after all
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Because Bethesda is garbage now

>TNOOOOOOOOO

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heh, needs a switch

Is that an actual line from Fallout 2?