Mario sunshine is one of the most overrated games in history...

>blue coin missions

it's funny that everyone complains about this because nobody with a brain is ACTUALLY grinding those stupid ass blue coins. If you are, you deserve to have wasted your time.

You're right though, if this game gets a remake, it needs more content. It has the least among the 3D games. It's total bullshit that's not the standard with remakes anyway. Also, none of the 3D Marios are really "best game ever" material. I'd strongly hesitate before I gave any of them anything above a solid 6/10.

>it's funny that everyone complains about sunshine because nobody with a brain ACTUALLY plays sunshine
you're probably right, but I liked super mario 64 enough to give it the benefit of the doubt

sdff

I agree sunshine suffers from a lack of content and polish but i'd still say it's better then 64

- Better technical visuals
- Better visual design
- Better audio quality & better music
- More responsive & tighter controls
- More movement options (gives up long jump for spin jump and slide)
- Better atmosphere
- Better consistent themining/making the environments feel like real places

And most importantly, better level design that's more conductive to free-form platforming that actually takes advantages of the sandbox nature of the game design, which 64 utterly failed at. Around half the stages in 64 were explictly linear, such as Tick Tock Clock, Rainbow Ride, the Bowser sections; etc; and even the worlds that were osteibly "open", such as thwomp's fortress and bomb-omb battlefdield, in practice still had a pre-designed linear pathway that all the map's platforming was designed around

By contrast, nearly every stage in sunshine is either truly open, with platoforming distributed around the map and the player being able to design their own pathing through the level geometry, or with multiple paths. For example, Bianco Hills, like Bomb-omb battlfield, has a central path through the stage and then spiralling up a tower, but there's also a large village to the left, a wall section with waterwheels, a park area with trees, and a lake with large poles and tightropes, and you can freeily and creatively platform off of and between all of those parts of the maps; wheras in Bomb-omb there's basically fucking nothing outside of the main pathway

The ONLY reason people say Sunshine has worse level design is because they are brainlets who don't bother to try to come up with optimized, faster pathing and instead just use fludd as a crutch. If Sunshine actually had a system to encnourage people to avoid fludd and optimize their pathing and come up with new paths, say like Sonic Adventure 2's rank mechanic, people would laud it

>mediocre from start to finish
>a solid 7
I almost thought you knew what you were talking about for a second.

>T. Diaper wearing autist mad people like thing I don't like

I think Mario Sunshine's a very good game but it's definitely the worst of the 3D Mario's

I just hate the game because of it's shit inverted controls

its soundtrack is fantastic though

youtube.com/watch?v=X6QEIwEFRZE

It’s beyter than every 3D Mario but 64, where it’s tied

I sure hope not, since Sunshine was so bad I haven't even bothered to emulate any 3D Mario since

I would contend that Mario 64 has a major advantage in having no fludd controls. Fludd adds NOTHING to the platforming experience. It slows down the gameplay and gives you less control (because it doesn't turn well).

Sunshine is a flawed masterpiece whereas 64 is almost a masterpiece, held back by level design. Sunshine’s greatest strength is it’s movement and nonlinearity, and it’s soundtrack but the rehashed bosses and repetitive missions like bowser he chases make replaying it less than ideal.
64 9/10
Sunshine 8.5/10
Galaxy 8/10
Galaxy 2 8.5/10
3D world 7.5/10
Odyssey 6/10

They shouldve just made fludd for special missions and make it only have 2 modes: rocket and fast movement

Is it really overrated though? It's the most controversial 3D Mario, it gets shit on frequently.

I sort of addressed fludd already in the bottom paragraphs of my post: I agree fludd is essentially just a crutch that trivalizes the game but you aren't actually forced to use it; and had the game had a mechanic that ranked you and gave you a higher score the faster/more skillfully you coiuld pull a level off while minimizing water use, then that would make the game's merits as a platformer a lot more easily noticable since it DOES have really good level desing and core movement

>held back by level design. S

sunshine has vastly superior level design then 64, though, see

>Odyssey 6/10

Opinion discarded. Odyssey is leagues above Sunshine. It's close to 64 and Galaxy.

Mario sunshine was a tech demo. It was meant to push the graphic advantages of the new gen which is why it forced water everywhere since water looked way better in GameCube vs n64. It's also why the game was rushed out before it was done. I know it worked on me because I bought a GameCube after seeing how beautiful sunshine was in a demo station.

Agreed as long as you beat the story. Once you go for all the stars and the blue coins it just becomes a chore.

Mario 3 and Super Mario world are overrated. Dkc is better

64 is the most overrated

>linear = bad
Why are you even playing platformers?

I'm not saying that, actually, there's plenty of linear games I like.

But in the context of a sandbox 3d mario game, having linear levels defeats the point and most levels 9in 64 aren't that platforming heavy anyways

nah bro