How fucking retarded is he?

The majority of the indie games he's bought lately are from companies that put their shit on GOG, or DRM-free on Humble Bundle.
Fair point for AAA games though.

code monkey that shouldt speak.

the hate for Tim reminds me of early non calculated Trump hatred. No actual points being made, just Colbert level insults.

>unashamedly supports chinese interests

Hes a traitor to his own people

He's actually pretty fucking smart, not just programming wise but buisness wise, jumping on the 2nd wave of Steam competitors right when Fortnite is still one of the most popular games today, meaning that unlike the other newcomers, his store would be set up where the majority of the userbase is familiar with: the fortnite launcher. Discord has this advantage to some extent, but people don't use Discord to play games, they just use it to talk to others while playing games on Steam and Epic. Although people don't like this (with good reason), Epic buying exclusives also forces you to keep participating in the Epic ecosystem, which is easy to keep doing if you already have an account for Fortnite. Despite what Yea Forums thinks, the average consumer doesn't give a fuck about buying from a seperate store that's already on their desktop.

He could have published and/or funded games from independent companies, instead of bribing them when the hard work is already done. Like Humble Bundle does.

He plays very smart. He uses screeching steamdrones for publicity. Right now he looks like a good guy, while steam and its users look like total retards.
epicgames.com/store/en-US/news/epics-statement-on-misinformation-and-abuse

i can see it

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_alcohol_spectrum_disorder

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He could, but getting the game when it's nearly done is far more profitable because you could test out the game yourself and get a better understanding if the game would be successful or not. If the game has hype surrounding it, all the better that it's snatched to the Epic Store. It's a strategy with higher returns and far lower risks than funding and watching over the entire development of the game.

Not really, he handed me Outer Wilds for free and even paid the devs by himself, I'd say he's a pretty cool guy

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>Misinformation
imgur.com/a/7du1ztj

alcohol can cause autism or down's? what the fuck?

Wish he would stop making retarded excuses for his actions which in turn makes him seem retarded.
It's fine if you want to shake up the PC market but don't pretend you're some holy knight when really you're just after money.

That's why what he does is ethically questionable as fuck.

You're aware that most people do not buy games on GoG or are even aware it exists, right?
You're also aware that a bunch of devs/publishers don't want their games to be DRM free so they don't put their games on GoG.

If people bought their games more often on GoG over Steam, things might've been different. But people don't.

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>>unashamedly supports chinese interests

So does pretty much every service you use. Be it email, youtube, your OS, etc.
Pretty shocking that more people aren't aware of this.

What am I looking at?

>If people bought their games more often on GoG over Steam, things might've been different. But people don't.

So even though people largely don't use GOG, Epic should be paying devs to take their games away from GOG?

You know i wonder, why you people don't go to warframe/poe/leauge of legends/any activision-blizzard thread screaming "TENCENT BAD".
Also i bet you fuckers also use discord, afterall you wouldn't be able to raid ooblewhateverthefuck that was discord without account there

Most indie studios he bought do publish DRM-free builds in Humble Store and/or GOG.com.

>makes a shit ton of money
>is somehow retarded

Not on GOG, no buy.

GOG is the only store actually selling games that I can make infinite backups of and use freely.

All the other stores are only "services"

How do you guys think Cliff Bazinga feels about him?

>Years ago Yea Forums was fairly united against things that made vidya worse
>Epic's shitty practices of buying up exclusivity is making vidya worse
>A large part of Yea Forums now cheers on that shit because it makes people mad

Phoneposting consolefags were a mistake

Thanks Tim!

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I dont use any of those things.

Tim fucked Cliff's wife

"Epic exclusive..." he whispered before doing the deed

Yes
Epic may not have the best store now, but it took steam years to get where they are today and Epic is a better competitor than most lauchers.

He's not retarded, he must listen to China government now.

its just a 6 month exclusivity deal though, BUT i do agree that is a very shitty thing for the developers to say that their game is going to appear on steam and at the end of the day say "lol nope, it goes to epic for 6 months".

>PHONES BAD

>STEAM GOOD

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Humble Store and GamersGate have the option of offering installers and direct downloads. itch.io is 99% DRM-free downloads.

I'd gladly help burn the world down if it means that people I dislike get mad

GoG is sadly irrelevant.
You can still get epic games from bundle, if a game is drm free it's drm free everywhere. That includes both epic and steam and that is the reason gog is mosty a failure, the only thing they have is direct download from their website and a few old exclusives games. Also i don't think GoG thinks epic is hurting them, afterall no one forced them to sell cyberpunk on epic.

6 months only for BL3, the rest are for one year.

Isnt he a millionaire? He must be quite smart.

>So even though people largely don't use GOG, Epic should be paying devs to take their games away from GOG?

They're paying for exclusivity, not to remove it from your beloved Steam. Not sure what's so difficult to understand about this.

Sure, but if you as an indie dev
>get a minimum of 12% cut instead of 30%
>get a set sum for timed exclusivity
>more exposure on the EGC compared to Steam (due to curated nature)
You would take up that offer, since unless you're a more well-known indie dev your profits are are very uncertain. For example the Cuphead devs would have been massively fucked unless their game was a big success.

You get it all wrong, old Yea Forums would shill for epic just to make normies go insane. However, since most of this board is made out of normies it's not what we do here anymore

>and Epic is a better competitor than most lauchers.

The only launcher Epic's mediocre shit is better than is the absolutely godawful Bethesda game launcher

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>Epic may not have the best store now, but it took steam years to get where they are today and Epic is a better competitor than most lauchers.
Most retarded argument ever.

>pick new FPS from some new developer, costs sixy dollarydoos plus tip
>looks worse, plays worse, sounds worse and has less content than new Call of Duty
>"it's OK because it took CoD devs years to get where they are now"

>normies
Showed your hand too early here user

>>Years ago Yea Forums was fairly united against things that made vidya worse

Steam also did this. I only ever bought my games on GoG when it came to PC.

>>Epic's shitty practices of buying up exclusivity is making vidya worse
In some ways it might seem that way, but Valve really needs to lower their massively greedy cut and start curating their dogshit storefront.
I still don't buy games on EGS, but I don't buy shit on Steam for a reason.

>GoG is sadly irrelevant.
>I'm going to bother to hurt them anyways
Also i don't think GoG thinks epic is hurting them, afterall no one forced them to sell cyberpunk on epic.
It's a favor for those recent Epic Megagames releases in GOG. The same reason Witcher games were available in Origin when Electronic Arts still released stuff in GOG.com.

I do understand why devs go to EGS. What annoys me is the fact they are pretending it's not about money. Same for Epic - they are pretending they are doing it for some higher cause but in reality they have to fulfill China's dream of taking over video game industry.

The cut is perfect. If you don't like it, sell anywhere else.

Ok, fine, that's a far shittier situation than what i though and i don't think there is a clear solution to that exclusivity deal unless fortnite stops puking money.

He made those millions selling his company to China. Not very smart.

Let me guess you also support EA and lootboxes because normies hate it too?

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He is talking about epic

Didn't Tencent bought their shares from Cliffy B?

>lower their massively greedy cut

I hate that people actually bought into that bullshit Epic's been spewing about an 'unfair cut.' By and large Steam runs circles around every single other storefront in terms of features for both customers and developers/publisher, along with a fuckton of metics to provide to devs to help them with selling their games. And every single other storefront outside of the EGS takes 30% too

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Almost every announcement has said "the extra money is giving us more time to make a better game". No one is pretending it's not about the money. The rest is just them going "we don't think it's as bad as you're saying".

Normalfaggots love that stupid bullshit.

Tim, did you bring enough forehead to share with the rest of the class?

Yea Forums was never good and this "fairly united" shit is only your fantasy

>What annoys me is the fact they are pretending it's not about money.

Well it could be for other reasons. I know for a fact that a lot of devs do not like the steam review & vote system. Especially how Steam allows review bombing. Could be other reasons as well.
Supergiant went to EGS because they promised support for their first Early Access title.

But who knows why they go there? Money is probably a big factor, put probably not always the only reason.

>And every single other storefront outside of the EGS takes 30% too
GOG.com doesn't, Discord doesn't and itch.io allows the dev to use the share they want.

i'll be playing devil's advocate and say that for single player or indie games, most of the functions that steam have are irrelevant and not having those extra functions allows the EGS to give an extra cut to the developers.

He has such a punchable face. I bet he got bullied a lot at school. Stupid sperg face.

He looks creepy af like Stephen king or something but he's probably a cool dude would have a beer with

dude looks like every white dude who ever said wonder bread is too spicy for them came together and had a kid lmfao

>Valve really needs to lower their massively greedy cut
Every other storefront is literally barebones compared to steam and takes the same fucking cut, why did you fall for Epic propaganda so easy?

>The cut is perfect
It really isn't.

>If you don't like it, sell anywhere else.
Which is precisely what they're doing, to Yea Forums's dismay.

Can someone make a down-syndrome Tim? He's almost there.

EGS actually. And his "I should put up with stupid shit because they are new" argument is retarded.

>Discord doesn't
Discord's store is essentially irrevelant and they've largely given up on it
>Itch.io
A fair point, but Itch also provides just about nothing for features for customers or devs. It's even more fend for yourself than what everyone implies Valve does

Yeah I'm thinking he's based.

Valve's cut is "worth" 30% because that's the only place people buy games, not because of the services it provides.

>It really isn't.
They have the storefront with the most complete features.

>Which is precisely what they're doing, to Yea Forums's dismay.
Not because of the meme share, but because they were bribed, either as exclusivity cash or for offering their game for free.

>Which is precisely what they're doing, to Yea Forums's dismay.

user nobody is moving to the EGS because of the cut. They're moving there because Epic gave them a fat sack of cash to do it

>I hate that people actually bought into that bullshit Epic's been spewing about an 'unfair cut.

This is quite literally something devs and publishers have been talking about for years before EGS went live. How out of the loop are you?

>And every single other storefront outside of the EGS takes 30% too
Wrong, you truly are ignorant. Try using google for once. I won't spoonfeed you to feed into your bad habit of being ignorant.

>Well it could be for other reasons. I know for a fact that a lot of devs do not like the steam review & vote system. Especially how Steam allows review bombing. Could be other reasons as well.
Supergiant went to EGS because they promised support for their first Early Access title.
Those are stupid excuses. Not a single indie developer would sign exclusivity contract without money.

Why does Yea Forums suddenly care about this "tumblr art game that looks like shit and I wouldn't buy it" anyway like Ooblets? Lashing out like this is usually driven by... fear. A fear of what? That Steam won't be the premier place for PC games?

Or, is it more likely that you won't be able to "punish" the game by not buying it or leaving negative reviews until you get your way?

If you've ever read I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, Yea Forums reminds me of the AI who loves to torture and abuse the ones he thinks he has control over, but is instantly worried that he'll lose his play things forever.

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GOG actually did take 30%. It was recently they said that they cut programs such as the Fair Pricing Program due to lowering cuts, which so far has literally resulted in no benefits for consumers other than features being taken away.

fake edited discord messages

To be fair, Omen of Sorrow got ported to PC because of Epic.

Trump

It might surprise you but a lot of developers and publishers have a strong interest in setting a new standard for revenue distributions. In the long run it will make them more money even at the cost of some money now.

>Wrong, you truly are ignorant.
>Android Store
>Apple Store
>Xbox Store
>Playstation Store
>Nintendo eShop

Fucking lol
The guy could not code a platformer on his own

>In some ways it might seem that way, but Valve really needs to lower their massively greedy cut
Why is 30% greedy since it's the industry standard? Indies should be happy they don't need to pay publishers anymore.

>but Valve really needs to lower their massively greedy cut
>the game devs who called me an entitled cunt deserve more money

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>Warframe
Not Tencent, retard. You must be Pat FuckBoivin, he made the same wrong assumption. Maybe you saw a bad knockoff of Warframe by the name of"Anti-War" that Tencent publishes, and just assumed. Warframe is otherwise only contracted with Leyou, a former chicken company, and small time compared to Tencent's shit, former of which were only contracted with for distribution of Warframe in China, known as "Star Armor" there I believe. They have no no vote shares, and ultimately no say over the infrastructure of the game or anything that happens with the game. They aren't even on the same servers and build as the global build.

@473097175
Goddamn I am really beginning to think there are actual shills when you have the same things get post verbatim every thread

>Valve really needs to lower their massively greedy cut
Meanwhile actually good games are doing fine on Steam

So tell me, why should I be in favor of Deep Silver getting a bigger stack of cash for their investors in exchange for literally no extra features or lower prices due to their better cut?

I really doubt that user, given that all the other games people claim were ported because of Epic have been shown to be not true
>Quantic Dream games: Announced as coming to PC before the EGS was even announced, allowed to happen because a Chinese company bought up a large share of Quantic Dream giving them more financial resources
>thegamecompany games (Flower and Journey): Journey is exclusive to the EGS, but the fact that Flower isn't shows that the porting wasn't actually reliant on the EGS

Why do people do this to their hairs?

If you are balding like this, shave your fucking head

>They have the storefront with the most complete features.

Irrelevant. People swallowed the shit because they had no choice. Shit didn't sell anywhere else.
Even GoGs own develop game Thronebreaker that was critically acclaimed and belonged to the Witcher series sold so poorly on GoG they had to put the game up on Steam, even though from the customer's POV buying on GoG is the superior option.

>Not because of the meme share, but because they were bribed, either as exclusivity cash or for offering their game for free.

You're borderline retarded if you think that
>30% steam cut, 5% Unreal engine cut
is more appealing than
>12% cut (no UE4 cut if it's on EGS)
>better visibility
>money up front from epic
is a "meme"
Putting your game up on Steam is a fucking terrible deal in comparison.

>user nobody is moving to the EGS because of the cut

And I'm not touching Steam either way. If it's not on GoG I don't care.

boards.fireden.net/v/search/text/Or, is it more likely that you won't be able to "punish" the game by not buying it or leaving negative reviews until you get your way/

>Not a single indie developer would sign exclusivity contract without money.

No one signs exclusivity deals without money. I don't follow your logic here, that's standard practice?

>>the game devs who called me an entitled cunt deserve more money
Dragging everyone over the same edge is the sign of a retard. Which you clearly demonstrated that you are.

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>Why does Yea Forums suddenly care about this "tumblr art game that looks like shit and I wouldn't buy it" anyway
newfags
too many newfags

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>No one is pretending it's not about the money.

>rocketleague.com/news/psyonix-is-joining-the-epic-family-/
Nothing about money.

Tweet about The Outer Worlds has nothing about money, just some shit about being excited. Same goes for Borderlands 3. Shenmue dev mentioned how EGS is "best distribution platform" for it.

>>better visibility
I love that people think this is somehow going to be a thing forever. The moment Epic usurps Steam then we begin the exact fucking same thing that happened before with some devs now being allowed on the EGS and stating it's unfair for them to pick who wins and loses in getting to sell their game. Hell, even if they don't ever open up the EGS for everyone games will lose visibility by virtue of more and more games coming to the service. And Epic doesn't even give enough of a shit to help with visibility features like Steam does. They literally want devs to get marketing agreements with e-celebs who will shill their game and take 5-10% from referrals
>>money up front from epic
That won't last forever

Show me even one dev who took the EGS deal and didn't blatantly disrespect their fans.

>The Outer Worlds

I feel bad for the Obsidian devs. They were literally adding in Steam achievements the week before the exclusivity deal was revealed, so high chances are the cunt of a publisher for their game they have just decided to tell them the same day we learned it

>No one signs exclusivity deals without money. I don't follow your logic here, that's standard practice?
Discussion is - if it's all about the money or not? It's all about money since money is most important factor.

Literal cope

go on lad! this ones on me.

>oh no pr talk

user, every single company in existance lies in their pr. If a company looks better by lying, they will lie. I speak from experience.

>Show me even one dev who took the EGS deal and didn't blatantly disrespect their fans.
Most of them?
But go ahead and dig around and see if one of the first once, Supergiant, acted like dicks.
I'll wait.

>money up front from epic
This is the only reason people took exclusivities. Look a Bloodlines 2, a Unreal Engine game. It's in Epic Games Store, Humble Store (pozzed), GOG.com and Steam.

The entire company of Psyonix was bought, that wasn't an exclusivity deal.

Ah right not tencent, sumpo food holdings.
But they own only 58% of DE clearly, they don't have anything to ssy.
>GamesIndustry.biz is reporting that Sumpo Food Holdings has taken a large majority of Digital Extremes, as the developer sold off 61% of their holdings, with 58% going to Sumpo Food and 3% going to Perfect World.

Warframe is owned by a fucking china chicken company, huh

Vblank, Team Meat, Quantic Dream.

>user, every single company in existance lies in their pr.
For god's sake, read the post I've replied to.

>Look a Bloodlines 2, a Unreal Engine game. It's in Epic Games Store, Humble Store (pozzed), GOG.com and Steam.

That's because it's Paradox.

It is highly unfair. Steam is quite literally living off indie games because they're 100 MB-2 GB in download and they still take their 30%. Meanwhile AAA games like GTA 5 are 80 GB in download and cost less than those indie games. AAA titles also get infinitely more coverage in the storefront, making it even more unfair.

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Based

>literally said that nobody who supported them mattered
>called gamers entitled

That's gonna be a yikes from me.

>100 MB-2 GB
>80 GB

What kind of retarded thinking of yours dictates that filesize should have anything to do with store take?

he looks nothing like that dog

But you feel entitled for steam version, so they are not wrong here

The absolute state of this post.

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Very. He failed once in PC gaming and he's working to fail again.

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Source about Team Meat, Quantic Dream and Vblank?

Indies can self publish for way cheaper than 30%.
30% is greedy because it is way higher than the actual cost of digital distribution.

In coding? Yeah he's not stupid in this regard. But in other aspects he is. Like pissing off people with an inferior store.

>>literally said that nobody who supported them mattered
>>called gamers entitled
>That's gonna be a yikes from me.

Source on that because I sincerely doubt Supergiant said that.

>indies sell less and cheaper
>Valve collects the same cut
>AAA games sell multiple times more for higher prices
>Valve collects the same cut
Why is it unfair? You aren't paying only storage space you know?

I like how the Epic exclusive deals expose many indies for their true nature. The moment they get their paycheck and no longer need the goodwill of the consumers they become as bad as Kotick and you have devs like with Phoenix Point or Mechwarrior openly denigrate their fans.

>the actual cost of digital distribution

Oh I didn't know Valve was a charity and didn't continuously develop and maintain Steam which takes manpower to do. The reason we're able to get shit like universal controller support, the Workshop and Proton is because Valve has fuck around money and lets its developers work on stuff they want

Meanwhile the EGS make by Epic (the company raking in billions from Fortnite alone) can't get a goddamn shopping cart put onto their storefront

I feel entitled to a GOG version, not held hostage by disgusting DRM clients. Now go ahead and tell me how I should accept DRM because mr. corporation is more important.

>In coding? Yeah he's not stupid in this regard. But in other aspects he is. Like pissing off people with an inferior store.

Some people should not publicly speak, just how it is.
I mean the US even elected a president that shouldn't handle any form of public speaking or social media presence.

if the pregnant mom drinks alcohol, not drinking in general.

t. tim sweeney

It's the cost that was always used. Heck even Amazon Kindle takes 30%.
But I like your last statement: tell me how much of a cut Steam should have keeping in mind all of the infrastructure, tools and other stuff, free keys and all that jazz they offer to devs.

Team Meat disrespects my ears every time they release Super Meat Boy without Danny's soundtrack.

fucking hilarious you say that since all of these games will be coming to steam after the exclusivity period is over
so much for avoiding that avoiding that terrible cut
don't bother coming up with whatever shitty excuses you have

brainlet wojack posters should be put on the cross

>I mean the US even elected a president that shouldn't handle any form of public speaking or social media presence.
At least Trump gives zero fucks about what people think of what he says. At least that's a plus for him.

>At least that's a plus for him.

But an absolute negative for anyone in the US. Jesus all us Burgers look like absolute retards with someone like him in charge

Okay, right after the brainlets. I doubt you can find enough wood for that noble endeavour though.

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his whole plan was never to please gamers, but rather to buy it devs in order to leave us no choice but to use his platform eventually, hence he'll always side with retarded devs instead of the consumer.

That was Danny's fault for being greedy, really.

Well time will tell. You guys still have one year with him.

Retard.

DRM is a choice of publisher/Dev. You can sell your game DRM free on both epic and steam. This is not storefront issue at all

And wasn't that The Binding of Isaac?

They never will tell you if the title is DRM-free.

>Steam also did this
No, Steam did that with their own games, not third party shit, and don't say games can't be released on GoG or Origin or elsewhere.
>Promote my lazy hipster friend's shitty game for them for free.
>Massively greedy cut.........
>Been the most generous cut compared to conventional means for years, yet now shills want to cry poverty.
Yeah, I am pretty sure the cut is what the problem is, that's why most of these games are timed exclusives instead of actual exclusives.... Seems that cut from Steam ain't so bad afterall, but clearly the reason for going Epic timed exclusive isn't because of the upfront bribe money the devs are given, the real problem is the most generous cut there has been, that is the problem. If Steam just lowered the cut, then the devs would just automatically cancel their bribe money and Epic exclusive contract. Steam wouldn't have to do shitty bribes to get them to publish exclusives on their platform before hand, thus exacerbating more gay console practices on PC. No siree.

Real talk though, why are you fools subtly calling for Steam to make exclusive deals to 3rd party games? Why do you want that shit on PC? Stay on your consoles.

That doesn't make him a good businessman. Honestly, someone like him has no place as the CEO of a multi-billion company, no matter how good you are at programming. Seriously, this guy doesn't even know how the fuck to do good PR.

Storefronts shouldn't even offer the option to put in DRM. My rights come before their profits.

there is a reason doctors tell pregnant women not to drink alcohol, or at least they used to do that before people started whining

It's both.
Binding of Isaac: Rebirth and every re-release of Super Meat Boy has Ridiculon's vastly inferior soundtracks.

>don't bother coming up with whatever shitty excuses you have

What excuse? Point is that they will get solid sales on the EGS in addition to the cut advantage.
Indie devs, THQ Nordic, etc. have reported good sales on the EGS.
Meaning a lot of people don't care if it's on the EGS and people like Yea Forums are just a loud minority.

I mean Yea Forums constantly goes on about how shit CoD is yet that game keeps selling crazy numbers.

The cost of digitally distributing a video game are less than 10% of the price of a video game. Epic games estimates their costs as less than 8%. That means a 12% cut is still a ~50% profit margin for the store.

Make your own video game without DRM.
To me it seems like you want to have a cake and eat it too.

And if you're pirating it anyway then you definetely need to shut the fuck up.

They disrespect me every year they sponsor another Speedrun event, reminding you they still havent finished the fucking game hahah

I don't think you have rights for DRM free games dude. But if it makes you happy epic does not have it's own DRM option, that need to be provided by game devs

Is the DRM-free version of SMB in Humble affected or is just for new ports?

>Real talk though, why are you fools subtly calling for Steam to make exclusive deals to 3rd party games? Why do you want that shit on PC? Stay on your consoles.

I don't like steam or EGS either way, since they're both DRM shit. Not sure what you're on about.

So, looks like piracy is the equalizer here. Since says that people report good sales on epic, I don't even have to feel bad. Thanks tim!

What race is Tim? His face keeps throwing me off

>most successful engine ever and is multi-billionaire
>not a good businessman

damn...

>The cost of digitally distributing a video game are less than 10% of the price of a video game.
Read my post again. Unless you are being disingenous, you know you aren't just paying a download right?

Yeah what a wonderful world were we have the storefront skirting the bare minimum of profitability where they have no extra cash to focus on developing new features, and no extra take to account for things like storefront-based cash cards that are almost universally used in some parts of the world where credit cards aren't as common. And then we as customers can pay they credit card fees because the storefronts don't take enough for themselves with that either

When did THQ Nordic report good sales? All I get is that they are avoiding the issue
>In fact, when specifically asked by an investor about Metro's performance on EGS, Wingefors deflected the question and started talking about sales on all digital platforms.
altchar.com/games-news/597129/metro-exodus-pc-sales-have-been-less-than-stellar

PC version has both soundtracks.

It's just new ports.

Enjoy anno 1800 user

Thanks.

Didnt see them shill for Sweeney much after the games release either.

>THQ Nordic, etc. have reported good sales on the EGS.

But that's wrong. They never actually gave Metro Exodus sales numbers, just funny math saying it sold better than a PC game from goddamn 2012 when the platform wasn't nearly as popular as it is today

He looks like he has down syndrome so pretty fucking retarded.

>Indie devs, THQ Nordic, etc. have reported good sales on the EGS.
No numbers released, and probably contractually obligated to blow smoke about success on EGS, since daddy Epic is footing the bill and covering their profit predictions.
Not seeing your point though, all you're basically suggesting is that Steam should do shitty bribes themselves, that's not a favorable outcome.

It's just seems really childish for someone to pirate and play something they actually hate out of spite.
Even downright masochistic.

considering his current business strategy of "throw millions of dollars at literally who indie games in an attempt to topple Steam," no, he's not. He made a good product, that's it.

the only numbers we have are for Satisfactory, which sold about 500K I believe.

Credits cards are common everywhere, if they are not common you can bet there are no fucking steam cards in that place anyway. Steam cards are made for kids, I don't see anything wrong with that but since I'm not a kid I couldn't care less about them

no one is going to pirate Epic exclusives they don't want to play, and no one has ever implied that. I'm going to pirate Phoenix Point, but little else on the EGS interests me.

Adding cash-based payments in Argentina increased sales there.

>literally printing billions of dollars daily
>use a very small portion of that money to make retards seethe
Sounds pretty smart to me.

NOOO THEY GOT ANOTHER DEV. THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING. HOW COULD THESE DEVS FORSAKE LORD GABEN'S (upvote if you got that epic meme reference!) GRACIOUS 30% CUT. WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE HAT MARKET IS IMPLODING? NONONONO VALVE HAS TO START MAKING GAMES AGAIN AAAAAAAAH.

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>if they are not common you can bet there are no fucking steam cards in that place anyway.

That's actually wrong. There's a reason sales have been good (relative to expectations of the region) in places like Russia

"Less than 10%" includes everything. Running the storefront, payment processing, delivering the content and support.

>50% profit margin
>minimum of profitability
stopped reading there

That seems somewhat suspect to me, given how little the game's been talked about.

Well that's obvious, it enabled kids with no credits cards to buy stuff on steam.

Back to /r/eddit you go, kiddo

>BL3 comes out in one month
>EGS still has no features
Wtf Randy, I thought you said EGS would improve

Well if they are made for kids then all the worse that Epic doesn't have them considering their main playerbase

i still find it weird how people started to praise gabe newell.
I remember people used to joke about him being jesus because of the steam sales, never thought people would take it seriously.

Based shitposter uncovering the actual Valve fanboy thought process.

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Is that why they don't cover many payment processors fees then that Steam and other services do?

You wanna know what's funny? Borderlands 3 is gonna release on the Epic Games Store at least 3 months before they even add in achievement functionality

>steamdrones fumming after you point out that steam and egs are different sides of the same shitty coin

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>Indie devs, THQ Nordic, etc. have reported good sales on the EGS.
Well yeah, because Epic's deal is giving "guaranteed sales", so whatever number you say you wanted your game to sell Epic just punches it into the store and voila, you sold however many copies even though technically not a single actual customer has bought your game.

they could just be big fat liars, true
eurogamer.net/articles/2019-06-08-epic-games-store-exclusive-satisfactory-is-a-big-sales-success

So what about cash cards where an entity like Steam takes a 10-15% hit to sell them to stores?

I call bullshit. Put source. Also again, stop being disingenous: you are ignoring generation of free keys, social media features, awareness, paying extra charge to countries, etc.

How fucking retarded is someone who boycott's games because it's on a different launcher?
Then, how fucking BRAINLET is that same person for thinking it's a Chinese botnet made in North Carolina that's magically different from a company that hates gamers, has Chinese investors on the board, and actively sabotages smaller developers?

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>Epic's main playerbase is Fortnite kiddies
>doesn't have a way for kids to easily access the rest of EGS's catalog

>generation of free keys
Extremely limited thanks to Ivan's asset flips
>social media features
What the fuck am I reading? Fuck off.
>awareness
Only for large titles. The rest gets drowned in shit.

Hey devs, games don't have to be good ever again, Uncle Sweeney's got ya covered.

You are pretty retarded for strawman. But answering anyway, it's not the matter of being a different launcher: it's the matter of adopting a developer-first policy instead of a customer-first policy.

Epic Games only bribes when the game is already finished.

Payment processing in Europe or the US costs 2-3%. Those are all covered by Epic store.
Nobody cares about your 3rd world shithole where you can only use some scammy payment method that costs 10%.

it's limited based on how well your game sells

>Extremely limited thanks to Ivan's asset flips

Are you just making shit up now? I like how you're using 'extremely limited' to avoid actually talking about what they do. No you can't freely generate 100,000 keys for a game that has sold 200 copies on Steam, but I wouldn't call that 'extremely limited.'

>Payment processing in Europe
>2-3%
Oh boy somebody doesn't know about Eastern Europe (where Steam was able to fairly effectively cut down piracy rates)

More importantly, Valve doesn't tells you where to sell them. Epuc instead has "approved sellers".

>disregard everything instead of arguing with another cut
>even ignore sparing an extra customer charge
I thought I was arguing with someone who was intelligent. My bad. Also waiting your source.

Ok Tim, so what do I get for the extra money you forced the consumer to pay? Those higher regional prices and lack of features sure make a compelling case

>Eastern Europe
see: 3rd world shithole

He's an epic shill, of course he doesn't know how to deal with piracy.

Only ones taking it seriously are console cucks and Epic shills

Top kek

This

I think most people would be in favor of Epic's competition if they passed the savings onto the consumer and provided DRM free downloads. But as it stands it's just a shittier version of steam. No thanks

he fucked off of PC 10, 15 years ago saying it was nothing but pirates. He should've stayed fucked off. all he did was come back because consoles are dying and make everyone remember he's a complete fucking douchebag. The hypocrisy is the real cake, though, complains about windows but shuts down linux support; complains about muh monopoly while pursuing monopolization and casually ignoring how Steam is not the sole distro platform in the PC ecosystem but it is the biggest and most supported, the physical network of it and the accounting support for the store transactions.

Can Epic really even be called dev-first when they get in scandals about how they work their devs to the bone?

>Looks at Hades and Shenmue 3.
Sure, ok.

OK Ivan. Try to buy something on the Epic store and post a screenshot of the payment methods. Let's see how many payment methods add an additional fee in your region and then explain why you can't use on of the free ones.

>customer-first policy
You're a fucking retard if you ever thought this about Valve.

>GamersGate
no yhanks. i'm not a bigot.

I'm from poland, credit card transaction fees are fixed at 0.3% by the government. And steam did nothing to fix piracy in our region, we basically pay the same price as western europe(regional pricing is a joke) and we earn like 4 time less. You know what helped with piracy? New generation of zoomers, nothing else.

They give out free AA (sometimes AAA) games every week and you're considering that not customer-first? You consider giving developers funding to make better games FOR CUSTOMERS not consumer-first?

And you're calling OTHERS retarded?

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Not him, but how are they not? They've got features out the ass for helping people find games, along with shit like Proton, the Workshop and user reviews so you aren't tricked into buying a definitely shit game

free games*, oh boy!

*that you lose once you uninstall

>They give out free AA (sometimes AAA) games every week and you're considering that not customer-first?
That's not a practice that lasts forever, so I wouldn't consider it really a genuine part of the Epic Games Store. It only exists until they get a foothold in the space and then it goes away

>being this retarded

Remember when epic fucked with publishers and devs by straight up lowering prices of their games withouth asking? Does seem fairly pro-consumer to me

Gamergate is a store, retard.

>ctrl+c ctrl+v so hard!
It's people like you that are the reason consoles still exists.

Gee, I don't know? Their entire business is built around forcing people to give up ownership of their games, register online and run a bloatware client while playing those games?

If they're free games, why would you even bother using the EGS? Just pirate them

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yeah, all those DRM-free games Epic has, wow

That's the spin that shills wanted to go with, until we bring up how games were pulled and accounts were flagged for buying too many games.

>user reviews so you aren't tricked into buying a definitely shit game
That's intresting, you are telling me you are buying games withouth watching gameplay on youtube? How does that even work, what the fuck

>a bloatware client

Steam isn't very resource intensive

remember when they banned customers for buying too many games in a row because for some reason an online store in 2019 doesn't have a shopping cart

Bloat?

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I didn't even talk about Valve. I said that Epic has a clear dev-first policy.
Giving up freebies to try to get people to download their store and build a playerbase base isn't customer-first, why do you think they declared they would keep doing it for limited time?
Second, developers making more money doesn't mean better games.That's a pretty retarded argument.

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He’s not retarded, but he is a fucking snake.

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Valve also supports trailers and gameplay videos right on the store page.

>That's intresting, you are telling me you are buying games withouth watching gameplay on youtube?

Why would you instantly assume because I think something is pro-consumer it means I use it? We're talking in general about pro-customer features of Steam, of which user reviews certainly are one

>accounts were flagged for buying too many games.

One account. Minor detaill i know, and unblocked after 15 minutes another small detail. Seems kinda pathetic that you need to use that as an argument

>Second, developers making more money doesn't mean better games.
It literally does. Whether that goes towards the marketing budget or the dev budget, it directly translates to better sales.

Are you perhaps one of the underage redditfugees that can't tell the difference between a publisher and a developer?

It's a nice feature and all, but how should I put this? It doesn't actually improve upon any of the failings of the store, does it? It doesn't make the business practices any better, it doesn't make the barebones and allegedly insecure store any better. It doesn't give me a reason to actually spend any money on their store. It's a way to attract people, but it doesn't actually improve the shop's primary function.

Basically, I can get all the free games but still have no reason to actually spend any money there, because I get better service if I spend money elsewhere, while on EGS I can just get shit for free.

How is Epic so incompetent to have the least amount of features as most of them yet use so much. Although Bethesda is the most egregious.

>time will tell
It's been three years, that's the Trump "presidency". His biggest contribution was making neo-nazi larping faggots feel important for a minute.

better sales don't mean better games

Wow, I never knew COD was the greatest game ever created.

>Why would you instantly assume because I think something is pro-consumer it means I use it?
I don't see a reason why you would care about a feature you don't use.

>Believing trickle down economics
Devs work for a salary, you fucking inbred. The EGS payout doesnt mean a raise for any of them

>Whether that goes towards the marketing budget
How does a higher marketing makes the game better for a consumer?
>dev budget
That is right only if the dev knows how to use the money. See Jack & Casie.
Also you ignore that the dev can always just pocket it. There's literally no guarantee things get better by throwing more money.
Nowhere I talked about publishers, stop being retarded.

Epic throws A LOT of money hoping it pays off. The Fortnite World Cup couldn't even fill that small ass stadium. If Fortnite ever goes out of style, I'm curious how long they have before financial trouble bites them in the ass.

>Duhhhh I dont use this basic feature, so nobody else does so its completely unnecessary bloat! EPIC GOOD STEAM BAD!
the absolute state

they've still got Unreal, things would have to go almost comically wrong for Epic to actually have financial troubles

Hopefully soon. They reported a 40% YoY decline in Fortnite revenue in May. Microsoft, in their earnings report, literally attributed a decline in their own gaming revenue due to lower numbers from a "extremely large third party title". Epic seem desperate to force their store soon

Who are you quoting?

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Yeah, no. Shareholders are always hungry for more money.

Oh really, then how come I was flagged, and how come it took 3 days to resolve?

>Bethesda Launcher
>takes up almost 600MB

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they still have Unreal engine. Unity was making some real progress against it, which made Tim stop charging out his ass for Unreal licenses that bankrupted A and AA developers before then, I guess. (but he did it "for the devs" i'm sure ha ha not because Unity was winning)

There used to be people who would say this about CryEngine.

>Bethesda Launcher
>591MB
Why are these retards so fucking terrible at optimizing anything

Except that Unreal has more years of history.

just look at him
oh nononononono

>Charging for unreal license
Doesnt he still do that though?
The truly funny thing is that games made with unreal would rather pay him his extra 5% cut and stay on steam than move over to his launcher exclusively, unless paid to do so. Mortifying

It's not like Cryengine is young. It was first developed in 2002.

4 year difference, oh boy.

If I were a game dev, I'd never use UE4, knowing that if I release it the game will split shares and most of it will go to Tencent and leave me with shitty leftover shares.

That's what he said
"[The storefront model is] nearly perfect for consumers already...There is no hope of displacing a dominant storefront solely by adding marginally more store features or a marginally better install experience. These battles will be won on the basis of game supply, consumer prices, and developer revenue sharing"

How intresting, please share your e-mails with epic customer suppot with us to prove it in that case. I wonder if you aren't a lying sack of shit

Actually valve takes less of a cut if you make them a lot of money. Anywhere from 10 to 50 million is a 25% cut, above 50 million only 20%.

nailed it

I wonder if the Epic Store could make developers wary of using the Unreal Engine. Imagine this situation: Epic offers an exclusivity deal, you say no, and then you start getting worse support...

For all he knows about coding, he knows jack shit about PR/Marketing and making a fucking store

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That would be peak retardation.

idiots will eat it up and defend them

It's pretty plainly obvious Sweeney is on the autism spectrum if you've seen his house tour video

youtube.com/watch?v=lRGUKMKadJ8

>No achievements so less people stick around past story end
>Fuck all anyone buys micro transactions.

Is "Gamer[s]Gate".

>We are very happy to announce that Omen of Sorrow is coming to PC with the support of @EpicGames
twitter.com/aonegames/status/1136700883406917633

Since it was a mediocre game that didn't had any degree of popularity, it's quite probable that not even the devs bothered with that title anymore.

just close the launchers you're not using

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Nice try Gabe.

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looks like a mutt

>Disable launchers from starting up in Task Manager
>Don't open/close launchers you aren't using
That wasn't hard.

Epic Games are for faggots

Do you even know what mutt means?

But I liked Robo Recall...