Just dodge! Just shield! Don't get too close! Don't get too far! Don't ever make a mistake against him or you'll die at...

it's a party game. You don't get mad at Mario party when your stars get taken away.

>You don't get mad at Mario party when your stars get taken away.
You actually do, what the fuck are you on about?

Are you retarded? Losing stars is the most infuriating thing ever

I seem to have a lot of trouble against Incineroar as Hero. Anyone else?

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And at that point its your fault for getting hit.

get good faggot

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Characters with reflectors kind of shit on him. I pocketed his fireball as Villager and it did like 70% back to him.

Have fun pocketing his side b amigo.

What the fuck, this guy has a OHKO move! Okay yes, it's random, but randomness is even worse!

Fucking ban G&W already!

>Villager
>Approaching

You dont scream and piss and shit and demand whatever took them to be nerfed though.

Actually the Bowser square has been nerfed because of constant complaints.

You realize smash ultimate gave Evo it's most views ever and you're still gonna say its not a fighting game?

>start of match I get lucky and have thwack up
>hit guy infront of me with thwack, he had 0% damage taken
>instantly killed

holy shit i love this character. literally like 5 seconds into the match and i got a kill.

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At least it's not fucking joker.

I haven't played Smash much since he was released but I agree with that people who defend broken characters are fucking retarded because the point is characters should be balanced and a character having too huge of an advantage over the other is a bad thing. I'm not calling Hero broken yet but I agree with the sentiment.

People were watching it hoping for a reveal, let's see if they can keep that momentum going when there's no reveals.

wow you fucking suck. imagine raging about a children's game

Its not a fighting game. Period.

pick g&w or villager/Isabelle

Git gud lmao

Kill yourself you underaged faggot.

The point if a fighting gane is to be fun and Hero is one of the most fun characters to play as.

I like how you just say so therefore it must be true

Any tips for beating him as Mega Man?

Explain to me exactly how it is not a fighting game when it has the exact same goals as fighting game. Please I want to know the logic that goes behind this line of thought.

approach from above, retard

Thanks for sharing..?

REEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO USE LOGIC IN A MATCHUP IM UNFAMILIAR WITH WHY CANT I JUST WIN FOR FREE REEEEEEEEEEEEEE IT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE

The trick to beating Hero is baiting him and staying on top of him. The reason that people are bitching so much is because Hero capitalizes on the defensive play style that is all over online Smash.

>Don't ever make a mistake against him or you'll die at 0%!
Now you know how it feels to fight a Little Mac.

This

This guy is a literal idle simulator character, you have to be standing around doing nothing for at least 5 seconds while he's dicking around in his menu. You deserve to get your ass kicked if you play like that.

This but the problem is a lot of people lag like fuck online and it's way easier to execute flowchart defensive shit than to stay on top of people in that environment since as the aggressor you have to constantly be adapting to how they're moving while as the defender you just are going "away".

But won't you just get hit with an uptilt or upair
Also a fully charged sideB hits above him

Melee stayed around for years and only recently got dropped, were people only watching that for reveals too?

He probably has the easiest time with him. Literally never approach and spam projectiles so he can never use his menu until Bounce comes up, then use every physical attack you got until it disappears.

you mean that thing that gets passively recharged almost immediately? oh no!

Literally just throw projectiles

Random critsnare the biggest problem.

>passively recharged almost immediately
Why must you blatantly lie? The only way that is even remotely possible is if Hero is rushing you down and you're just tanking it like an idiot. The recharge rate otherwise is pitiful; it takes like half a minute without hitting the opponent in order to gather enough MP for a useful spell.

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>discord.gg/EeRZs6j
Fuck off and stop using Banjo's face for your bullshit.

For people curious it's basically the Cult of Steve Discord masked as a Smash discord.

The MP recharges even if they shield the attack dude.

It's a fighting game and a party game.

>without hitting the opponent
why the fuck wouldn't I be hitting my opponent? what a fucking retarded thing to say.

That's fine, just have him be balanced and not so focused around rng.

People complain about his RNG but seems like in a real match you won't actually have a ton of time to use the menu spells, shouldn't most of his MP be going into fire balls and Kazap?

Man look at all those EVO tops all 0 of them, this character is OP clearly.

fpbp

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>Letting side b charge

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Is he even allowed in EVO I thought too new stuff wasn't there yet?

The people at EVO left during Smash because no one wants to watch that trash. Online numbers are just children.

>Still playing this shit

honestly fuck this whole game until they add a Resident Evil Character as DLC.

Hero capitalizes on defensive playstyles by simply being the best defensive fighter by far while having better offencive tools then any other defence oriented fighter.

He has way too many good things going for him to not be significantly slower or have a sword.

EVO was played on the patch before Hero because he was too new for it.

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cute, here's a (you)

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Pay
6
Dollars

If anybody thinks he’s balanced then they’re silly. He is a really cool character but his neutral B and side B are way too powerful. The fact that he can store his neutral B is ridiculous and discourages people from using his down B. I think either they should nerf the damage/knockback on his neutral+side B, or not allow him to store his fireball. Or both. Or maybe scrap the fireball, work on the mana system so its not so easy to have mana and allow him to store his down B for huge amounts of mana. But he’s overtuned for certain and sticks out for it

This would be extremely dangerous for the computer so I don't know why anyone would risk damaging their computer just to torment someone who respawns when you kill them.

the most egregious example is SideB. Shit doesn't take long to charge at all and is incredibly safe. It also has Super Armor on full charge for no good reason, just another fuck you in his kit.

Meanwhile weak SideB is a lightning fast poke for anyone who dares attempt to approach Hero.

Why do people like this character? He's so ungodly slow

Same reason people like K. Rool: Because he's a fat crocodile with a bulging eye.

I mean it literally isn't. The creator himself doesn't even think it is and treats it as a party game.

>why the fuck wouldn't I be hitting my opponent?
Good luck getting much out of it with that slow as shit frame data.

smash is a casual party game for kids, not a serious competitive game. deal with it.

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which is why he's done a lot of things for competitive this time like directional airdodges, making rolls stale, more damage in 1v1s, and competitive-focused balance changes, right?

He aims to appeal to every way to play Smash and only actively spited competitive in Brawl.

>Joker isn't broken bro! Just get good LMAO
>Hero isn't broken bro! Just don't get hit LMAO

At this rate, DLC 5 is going to be Brawl Meta Knight tier and Smashfags are still going to try and defend this simply because they can't accept that their shitshow isn't a fighting game.

touhou respawn?

Consensual sex and rape are two different things, even though there’s penetration

???
Dude, chill out, it's only a game.
Why don't you call up your friend, get drunk and play a couple hours of smash?

Don't worry Banjo will suck shit

Remember how absurd Bayonetta and Cloud were in 4? They clearly do not bother balancing the DLC at all.

Hero would be fine if MP actually mattered. Instead it's basically non existent as long as you are occasionally using normal attacks. It should be more punishing than Robin's durability mechanic

you're such a dumb faggot and you can't even stay focused on the shit you're spouting

Sakurai said it himself that it's a
>Platform Action Game

Me.
I'm guessing we found a worthy opponent for Hero.

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You liking the the Dairy Queen series doesn't keep him from being OP.

What? He is slower than most of the cast, and his normals come out ridiculously slow. Plus his dash attack has a dumb obvious hop-skip start up that makes it easy to dodge or avoid. Everything about him is slow except for the speed that side-b comes out if you quick pull it.

Seriously, he gets decimated by characters that rush him, and with the king of smash currently being Joker, there is no way he will make it anywhere competitively.

BASED ROAR, BAY BAY.
smashfags, when are you going to join the winning side?

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Ok so explain to me why a party game would be at the biggest fighting game tournament of the year?

Chances are the next balance patch will either drop his crit chance or just drop the idea of it doing more knockback (more damage would be fine). Then up the MP costs of his normal specials. If using a fully charged anything meant that he couldn't fully charge Up special, it would leave him more vulnerable than he is now.

Want to give me any truth to that claim?

I dunno. Why the fuck does Evo have a channel that shows fucking competitive Catherine, stupid? NOT A FIGHTING GAME HURRGADURRGADOIHASDHG^O*&UN!(SI

Robin Main Here!

I haven't touched Hero at all yet, and it looks like he uses magic. Is there any reason to stick with Robin if Hero exists?

Hero is Robin with a 10% chance to just get a free kill at any time and hitting people with your sword refills your durability.

High competitive play of Hero is focused not as much on his down B but on his Fireballs and Kazap. The only use of the down B is the occasional buff or maybe do a troll kamikaze if you have an extra stock.

Robin has faster normals, better recovery, better combos, worse kill power.

Hero basically blows Robin out of the water completely, the only reason to use Robin is because you want to play as a girl.

Let me rephrase that why would it be on the MAIN STAGE of Evo, fucking seriously you guys that claim smash isnt a fighting game can never explain how it isn't you claim that it's not but never provide anything towards your claims.

because people like party games

If you were a Robin main until now, you are maining Robin because they are your waifu/husbando. Don't pretend like anything will change that for you. Robin is already borderline F-tier.

Robin has slightly different strengths, having better aerials and better damage racking potential. Hero is way better at everything else and has potent kill power. Also Robin is pretty underpowered, so...

Haha you got me! I love Robin(Female) so much.

It's a bit annoying that Hero apparently has voice lines that they cut out of the English version, but then I think about how annoying Corrin's MNUHHHGGGGHH UNNNNNNNNGHHHHHHHHH sounds are and I think maybe that's for the best.

Please leave your shitpost character at /vp/.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Hero's normals come out faster than Falcon's and nobody bitches about Falcon's normals being slow at all. You're just grasping at straws at this point because you don't want your braindead main from being banned, because then you'll know how much of a shit player you really are. And that's all you will ever be.

Okay. I mean he is legal for a big tournament real soon. Prepare to choke on dick when Hero gains on traction among the pro players.

Whatever you say, cuck.

he gets shit on hard by
>fast sticky characters that don't let off of you
>reflectors
>characters that are good at gimping you off stage
and it is very hard/RNG-based to kill someone at 0% with him
menu will rarely give you what you need to do it and on top of that you need to recognize which of his 20 moves will kill or even do anything in that situation
the only two I can think of that do that are hatchet man, kamikaze and whack
kamikaze isn't guaranteed to kill them but guaranteed to kill you and loses you the game if you both have 1 stock left
and hatchetman is so slow you have to have your shield broken or walk into it the same way you walk into a ganondorf neutral B
whack has a chance to OHK but otherwise does 1% damage
neutral B is probably the most op thing about him, its a bit stronger than other characters but kills at more or less the same range as other characters with a charged neutral B move
some of his moves have bad start up and other moves have bad ending lag

hes just a stronger but slower link and has more or less the same weaknesses
also hes only 22 on the tier list so higher mid/lower high tier

>Hero's normals come out faster than Falcon's

Am I being baited? Seriously.

The greatest Melee player lost to a Hero. Never has a character been so broken and overpowered.

youtube.com/watch?v=SvO_aWq49Ao

>BUT IN ULTIMATE
As opposed to beating him in Melee? What is that stupid fucking title?

He was also using Little Mac, and he plays Mac as a joke.

People don't believe me when I say Ridley vs Hero is even

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please leave your seething at reddit.

OP got filtered lmao stay shit wasting time bitching and making up excuses wont make you play any better

Listen, the mere fact he has ANY ability to OHKO means he's an utterly broken piece of shit and Smash is forever dead because of him.

>never has a character been so broken and overpowered
oh
>kirby from n64
really
>fox from melee
that
>meta knight in brawl
has
>bayo from smash 4
never
>cloud from smash 4
happened
>roy on release
before?

Honestly becoming easy as fuck to read them like a book now. Really easy to interrupt their menu. Only thing that ever hits me is when they just take a gamble and select the first thing.

yeah no other character in the game has that right?
>corrin counter that kills light weights at 50%

Bounce. Then get his ass.

>corrin counter that kills light weights at 50%
meant for

>roy on release

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Still cracks me up that Chrom yells SORRY when he dies and he's a popular character so I get to hear that all the time.

They only cut out Hero saying the names of the spells for the English setting. If anything, you're getting more MNUHHHGGGGGHG UNNNNNNNNGHHHHHHH if you play in English.

So if you change the language to Japanese you still hear it? Also, does that apply to Mewtwo's voice?

It's a clickbait title

None of them can OHKO you at 0% with all three Smash attacks and two Down B moves.

Mewtwo speaks in all of his victory screens and has some lines in play.

You may choose one option on the list to use against Anti-Herofags. The 'Based' option is said in an extremely sarcastic tone of voice.

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They're always in all caps too. YouTube is so annoying.

I choose hoes mad

Vocaroo how the 'Based' option would sound.

A crit does not OHKO at 0%

Anyone wanna do some Hero matches?

Yes.

youtube.com/watch?v=0Vjp0bT2HhQ
youtube.com/watch?v=3edoLwcBcxc

Yeah, I'm thinking they're based.

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So when is the alt dlc

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>Nintendo get evo to drop melee
>immediately torpedo competitive balance in ultimate afterwards

never thought I'd say it but BASED sakurai

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>le funny weird deformed face
i thought we were in 2019, not 2011

>Kirby in 64
Not even the best character, that's Pika
>Roy on release
HAHAHAHAHAHA

Around the same time as the femJoker DLC.

The artstyle is a reference to Sr.Pelo.

0399R
1111

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Kirby is also incredibly broken as well. the only reason Pika is top tier is because of the up-b.

just fish for accelerate until they approach you. Not hard. Heck, just play like a campy bitch until either they come to you so you can hit them or you recharge mp.

and?

Smash will become a bigger joke in the FGC if Hero is banned. It shows that other fighting game scenes like MvC3 and Guilty Gear can handle RNG but Smashbabies cant.

dance nerd

Sakurai showed it in his livestream

>Smash will become a joke if this improbable thing happens

A crit does around 40 damage, hell, I've gotten hit by crits and survived.

Crits double the damage and knockback of a smash attack.

Sure you did, Wi-Fi warrior.

Which is still not enough to OHKO

>still insists on lying despite Sakurai showing it in his livestream
Come on, do you think we're as retarded as you are?

>strange faces have ONLY ever been used as comedy on the internet during the late 2000's and early 2010s

Holy shit get some culture you stupid American

i don't see what's wrong with that statement

Against a computer with no DI.
Stop baiting retard. I bet you think Twitter combos are true. Got gud day.

They've been used since man first learned how to draw

youtube.com/watch?v=wggTsCHXn94

He's saying he gets triggered by them because he no like.

>hurr it's fake news because if you do these very specific things then no bueno i win you lose!

Uh, no. I'm pretty sure that's not true.

I'm sorry you don't actually know how to play the game.

Those change nothing about the fact that yes he can OHKO with a Smash attack if it gets a critical hit.

>every top player and labbers on the forefront of tech research thinks he needs to be reworked and nerfed
>some retard on Yea Forums says he's fine and shouts "HOES MAD"

who do I side with bros

then fuck off you have nothing to add to this thread

I'm not even gonna defend hero like these braindead HOES MAD spammers. He's absolutely fucking amazing even with his mildly slow normals. Hell, he's definitely going to be nerfed. But that doesn't mean I don't love playing him

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Anyone in aus wanna fite me cunt

I'm in the US, Ill play though.

>Don't get too close! Don't get too far!
Stay on him and keep hitting him because his moves are too slow to hit out of most pressure and his command menu gets shut down entirely, but if he gets command menu/charged B, or charged side B going get away, preferably up and to the left or right, which avoids most of his specials.*

>every top player and labbers on the forefront of tech research thinks he needs to be reworked and nerfed

Literally who

Just because it can be done in a white room setting doesn't mean shit.

>every top player and labbers on the forefront of tech research thinks he needs to be reworked and nerfed
You mean every autistic "pro" who screams "OP!" about every single new character?

It must be hard for you to be that fucking retarded.

All of them. Did you not read what he said?

Nah it will be to laggy sorry g

And what am I supposed to do with this?

Cop out.

What makes you so confident he's a cop?

youtube.com/watch?v=9SFXrhlzDSw

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One lemon interrupts the menu and charging. I’d figure he has it good even when bounce is up

I have no problem with him as pichu

>Hero vs. Greninja
>Can't even attack him because he's so fucking unga and fast
>only win because he kept trying to do the super punishable shadow sneak garbage to kill my last stock

You guys were not kidding Hero just cannot fight at all in melee.

Is there a non-shitty mobile emulator out there? Nox crashes my computer for some reason and I hated how it worked anyway, making you use a Google account and trying to imitate a mobile device. Couldn't get BlueStacks working and it seemed to be the same way. Is there a no bullshit mobile emulator that just works, like the SNES or GBA emulators?

I crit killed Icies at 8% from center

I forgot to mention I'm asking because I want to play Dragon Quest.

On one hand I think the people calling for nerfs on Hero are retards but on the other hand fighting him fucking sucks sometimes.
>fought a Hero who would just throw out random menu moves by pressing down b and mashing
>all the moves have instant frame data so I can't react up close
>Hatchet Man moves his hurtbox back so far that if you whiff a dashgrab you're done for
>Flame/Karkakle slash are big and instant giving him an option if you try rushing him
>Zoom makes where he's gonna land a guessing game since he can act out of it when back onscreen
>realize Hero's spells can't do much to you as long as you use platforms and attack him from above
>do just this
>he gets Magic Burst randomly and instantly pops it, killing me at 70%
It's one thing to demand he gets nerfed just because you can't beat him, but on the other hand it sucks really hard when you get put in a horrendous position because you couldn't react to the fact that he threw a frame 2 projectile that travels quickly, sucks you in and explodes while dealing 30%.
I'd be fine with ALL of this however, if Hero didn't get his meter back for attacking your shield. Spacing around swordie aerials when your main doesn't have a sword is hard enough. When Hero magic bursts, he should stay vulnerable but instead he can just fsmash or dash attack my shield and have enough meter for an easy lv.2 Up B by the time I get him offstage.

He's not OP but depending on how much RNG he can get away with I feel he'll get less and less fun to fight as time goes on. Maybe he's not as bad offline though since swordies get a huge bonus on wifi where parrying is harder and the window to punish landing aerials is smaller.

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play a ps4 gay ass nigga

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>shit on DQ for MONTHS
>get fucked in the ass
karma.

We shouldn't have done it, bros... if we hadn't said mean words on the internet, the developer who doesn't read anything we say wouldn't have made an OP character... WHY DID WE DO IT BROS? WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?

Take me back to 2011, 2019 is shit.

HOES MAD obviously

smash bros get in here.
discord.gg/EeRZs6j

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Advertising is a bannable offense, user.

he doesn't care, he just wants to shit up the threads

youtube.com/watch?v=XSgs67HFaXU
Imagine the salt when somebody gets this off at a tournament match.

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All the spell names in this game throws me off, Thwack sounds like a sword slash or something and instead it's some magic projectile that can instantly kill you. How do they come up with this stuff?

Jump over him.

But ZeRo is also the greatest Smash 4 player

Do you what worst about this?
Those smashfaggots only defend their DLC bullshit by simply spamming "HOES MAD" unfunny memes just like a fucking 10 year old kids internet surf on Yea Forums

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I've never played a DQ, but I kinda like the names. There are some silly ones like Hatchet Man, but also some simple ones like Sizzle/Bang. I like to think of the spells just being what they would 'sound/look' like, as that's what people would name them. A magic attack that just fucking wrecks someone? 'Thwack!' Simple things like that. It actually makes me want to play DQ.

Here's the actual explanation:

The running theme with the english Dragon Quest spells is that they are onomatopoeia for the sound the spell's effect would make (most of the time). eg. the teleport spell is called ZOOM! as you zoom to your destination, the wind spell is called WOOSH! because thats the sound wind would make, and the stronger version of WOOSH! is SWOOSH! as it's a longer version of the same word.

Now this one is more complex: the weaker version of the death spell is called "WHACK!", which is an onomatopoeia for the sound of hitting something, but that isn't the only thing it refers to. When a mob boss puts out a hit on someone, he tells his subordinates to whack a guy. Whack is gangster slang for kill.

Meanwhile, the stronger death spell is called "Thwack". Why? Because it's a louder sounding variation of whack, lol.

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>you play ness
>you down b
>you're now winning
God just stop being a bitch

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because everybody only use ness right?

>>also has a sourspot above hero
There is no sourspot, and the sweetspot is a bit worse than "above him"

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wasn't this tool shown to be inaccurate, like how it thought Wolf's dsmash was wide

No, that only applied to model stretching and was fixed ages ago.

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Okay man hero has shit disadvantage so putting him off stage and hitting him is usually enough to kill him dont tell me you dont go off stage
>inb4 zoom

His RNG is not his problem. It's that he hits TOO hard. Crits aside.

Here's a more general RPG question, what exactly is the point of instant death spells? It seems that they usually have such a low chance of hitting that in the amount of turns it takes you to get them to work, you could just have cast a regular spell a few times and killed the enemy. Unless there's something you can do to guarantee the hit, it just seems pointless.

Just play a real fighting game! Just stop taking a party game so seriously! Just have sex!

No true purpose, it doesn't even affect bosses. Unless it's a specific enemy that has some kind of secret death weakness, it's just a gamble. In DQ it's only learned by the priests and other holy classes, who would usually have much less powerful offensive spell options than the sorcerer classes, so while the chance may be low for it to work, it could end up being much faster than fighting with regular offensive spells.

The Priest character from Dragon Quest 4 is a meme in Japan because of the instant death spell. Because of the game's party AI algorithm, he would obsessively cast whack and thwack against enemies (including bosses it could not affect) rather than healing the party like he's supposed to.

You sound like you get verbal with players on the other side of online matches. Maybe you should look at how shit is framedata is.

>With the 3rd worst aerials in the game

I've heard this before. What's the reason for it? Just curious how Ridley beats him.

Hero's aerials are ass and Ridley's forward smash beats all of his normals and side B. If Hero ever misses his neutral B, Ridley just wins.

>
Hero’s passive no regen is ridiculously slow lol

>getting hit

And at this point, it becomes directly your fault.

Unless you pick
>Ness
>Greninja
>Joker
>Lucina

Then you're the one who just wins

Ya’ll are baby

Any character who isn't huge and slow as fuck wins against hero, get over yourself.

this desu. look at the babbies seething at this post and laugh

Why the fuck did they buff Lucas’s pk fire?

Don't worry man, I'm sure complaining on Yea Forums will help you improve
And the best part is that it doesnt at all make you look like a fucking faggot

Fpbp

From the frame data gathered from his trailer, Banjo is...pretty garbage

>Smashbabies finally get a character that's challenging to fight against
>Proceed to complain and cry
Why am i not surprised?

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I was a Lucina main before she got nerfed. I play Hero because he generates the most rage. I only play this game to upset others.

Pretty much this, it is honestly more that the values of the "Non-RNG" attacks are really overtuned compared to the peers, for casual play.. The Down-B is actually pretty fine since it is so easy to interrupt, some individual spells are kinda jank though.

I think what SHOULD be adjusted is the MP costs for B, Side-B and Sizzle,Bang and maybe Kaboom (It IS expensive but people REALLY sleep on how fucking good it really is) and/or the MP Recovery Rate since it is WAY too easy to recoup MP even should you whiff and/or waste spells. Casual Play matters far more then Competitive.

>"why wouldn't I be hitting my opponent?"
>"because his normal attacks are ass due to frame data"
>"REEEEEEE"

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Lucas doesn't have a PK Fire, dude.

Or a mom.

At least his father isn't a fucking telephone.

Oh, she's been nerfed? Good, I can finally start playing her again. I only play characters when I can feel like a hipster for playing them.

Joker is the only one in need of some small nerfs.

Then transfer some of that power to Sheik.

"Basically everything that makes Sheik good, but can do just as much damage without doing combos" just ain't right, man.

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But if you play as Joker you don't get to feel the pleasure of playing as a hot woman which is important part of playing Sheik.

Hero's frame data is garbage and yet here we are in this thread about how unbelievably OP he is.

Banjo isn't going to have a massive B Neutral that kills at 70%.

In fact we already know his B Neutral, he just pokes people with eggs. Because we all know how amazing Falco's laser is.

You don't know that.

Yeah we do.

>mid-charge side b
>zaps your ass from 2/3s of the stage away

Fucking Catherine has been played on EVO, is that a fighting game too?

We don't even know if that's his B neutral.

We saw 4 specials, so it's pretty safe to say that it doesnt really matter which direction it is, it's not killing at 70%. Or 700%.

>Hero spams nairs
>get hit without his sword visually making contact
>immediately follows up with neutral B
>die at 50%
cool

>Waaaaahhhh my game designed for children that I play competitively is ruined!!!!

the absolute state of nintenbabies

He'll make up for it with his smash attacks.

No we didn't, for all we know the eggs moves could be one move Just look at Hero.

Fighting games have a life bar and the oblective is to deplete the rival's, not to throw them outside the stage.

There are games like Soul Calibur where falling out of the stage is game over, but that's not the main objective of the game.

Smash takes a lot from fighting games though, but it's not a fighting game only because there are characters fighting.

If that was the case, every game with character progression and inventory, like Devil May Cry for example, would be an RPG, or Bayonetta would be a Shoot em up and Flight simulator because there is an After Burner level.

I doubt it, we already know one of them and i seems to be pretty shit. It couldve been like a shorter range DORIYAH but it doesn't seem to have a hitbox until Kazooie actually hit the ground.

Command Selection is fine, though Magic Burst at the ledge is pretty bullshit since he can crapshoot for it easily while you recover and if he gets it, it more than covers every option.

If anything, his other specials are the ones that need to be toned down. Fully charged side special is legitimately insane in terms of damage output and when it kills. Which coupled with Critical Hits can feel real bullshit.

>playing against Hero
>match starts
>get him to 75% while he has gotten only 11% on me
>he lands a single critical hit on me
>I'm now at 75%, and I was knocked so far away that he easily fully charged a neutral B
>we're both at 75% which for him means half his moves will KO me, and he has his Samus Charge Shot in stock
>all because Crit chance procced
>mfw

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Smash has stamina mode...

It doesn't look anything like Falco's lazer. If anything it seems much closer to Mega Man's lemons, which is one of the best jabs in the game.

Mega Mans lemons with 3 times the startup and endlag.

It also has items, and you faggots don't play with them.

Maybe with items (which is how the game is designed to be played), Hero is not that busted.

It also makes the game more "luck-based", which is not suitable for a competitive game. But MAYBE it's not designed to be a competitive game.

And also seems to have a longer range and no three lemon limit to compensate. That would still make it a fantastic spacing tool and one of the better neutral specials.

>Spamming nair
Frame data is ass and doesn't auto cancel.

Crit is honestly bullshit but medium charged side-b is the real star of that move. Full charge can be canceled and is really only good as a punish on an airdodge which every character can do.

shut the fuck up your faggot, is desgined to be both.
There are mechanics desgined by the developers so you can play better.
Like easy Short Hop, Smash Cancel.
Not to mention stuff like Omega stages or hazardless and a fucking Elite Smash.
It is desgined to be competitive AND casual, either you faggot likes it or not.

>Like easy Short Hop, Smash Cancel.
Wait, what? Where do I set this?

Sorry i got the name wrong for Smash Cancel, it's more like Run Cancel, which was presented in the first big direct for smash, in which you can cancel your dash animation with Any Attack. Sorry for the misinfo.
You can Easy Short Hop with Jump + A + Direction at the same time.

Getting top option Thwack or Whack, and then getting it to connect, and then to kill, is a lower chance than Kamikazee or Hocus Pocus with SD effect. So, if you get it, good for you I guess. Instant down b without looking is Russian roulette strategy with guns on both heads.

Oh I didn't know about either of these anyway, thanks for the info.

I played Wii U again for the hell of it last week and pretty much every attack I wanted to perform was eaten by a dash attack. Big improvement in Ultimate.

>it's most views
>60k drop after the finals and nintentoddlers not getting an announcement
LOL

>LOL
Do people really say this word on Yea Forums now? WTF happened to this site?

But then the chances of getting Kamikazee, Hocus Pocus with a negative effect, or any other negative spell are much lower than getting any other positive or neutral spell, including Whack and Thwack. The negative spells aren't effective deterrents for spell spam because there just aren't enough of them.

Don't forget
>Deals 24% damage

Shit's absurd. Side b is the move I have the biggest issue with.

HOES

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Sure looks cool though.

The only thing about him I feel could use a nerf is his recovery. His land and air game are fine, nothing a good player can't handle

>haha i randomly post very unfunny and unoriginal meme XDDD

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Hoes mad x24

Why did you randomly mention Wolverine's clone?

please stop spamming this stupid negro twitter meme its making proper DQ fans look bad

Shhhh please don't reply to poor braindead children with internet
They never understand what we're saying and keep spamming same shit

Dragon Quest is a new cancer and toxic. Thanks sakurai

Sakurai's going to ruin Dragon Quest just like he ruined Fire Emblem. You can't ever mention Fire Emblem without people crying about swordsmen and anime. It's irritating. And it's annoying because the DQ fanbase is one of the chillest, least hateful fanbases I've ever seen. They're not out to piss anyone off. They're just genuinely happy when people take an interest in their favorite games and are eager to recommend the best ones and discuss the story.

maybe stop spamming aerials for one fucking second and play a bit safer, you god damn nigger

>fighting a hero as mini mac
>gfs of online tourney
>jv3 stocking him, he's at 50%~
>try to go for a surprise side b gimp
>miss
>try to recover
>he gets big retard explosion move
>kills me at 0%
>fair enough my fault
>last stock, im at 40%
>he's doing the classic anti-mac "back to the ledge" technique
>try a runup ftilt
>grazes
>he gets some down b shit, i dont even know what it was, maybe hatchet man. he turned red
>kills me on the other side of the stage, to the opposite blastzone, with no chance of DI saving me, at 40%
fight with hero actually just feels like im fighting with items on, but i cant use the items

>shows up consistently in top 16
>F
Nah, you're just bad.

Side B is faster than a Falcon Punch and still covers a larger area than it

Hatchet Man is really short ranged and has a slow windup, it was probably Flame Slash.

No, only a couple think that.

user, Yea Forums doesn't understand that Smash is purely meant to be played with friends at parties. The competitive scene for 4 and Ultimate is a joke. Melee I can get behind, because it is actually hard to master. But every faggot and his grandmother can spam aerials like the "pros" in ultimate do it.

Hero’s Nair is only 2 frames slower than Chrom/Roy’s Nair, but lasts 8 times longer.
I’m starting to think the people who say “Shitty Frame Data” didn’t look it up at all and are just repeating bullshit statements, hoping majors don’t ban Hero (even though his Neutrals aren’t the fucking problem).

Fighting games are on a 2D plane. Tekken is not a fighting game.

>Just dodge! Just shield! Don't get too close! Don't get too far! Don't ever make a mistake against him or you'll die at 0%! What are you, bad?! You're bad because you don't play perfectly against this character who is not required to play perfectly to beat you!

This sounds so familiar.

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Why is there always a “Just do X despite it requiring much more skill than playing characterY” person in every single game, and they always either lie and/or have little idea of what they are talking about.

So you saying Virtual "fighter" from sega is also not a fighting game, heh?

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HIS HAIR?
THWACK

What the fuck ?

Hero has an amazing recover
Cannot trade nair/fair with him
All his movements even dash attack can kill you
The Thunder attack kills you at 40%-50%
Fire charge is better than samus cannon.
Random range sleep LMAO.
Fox- walking counter yup very good idea Nintendo.
Another swordman

Nintendo sure knows that people who payed half ot he game again neeeds a justification for it so all the DLC characters have been nothing but OP/Broken concepts that outclasses almost the entire roster.

Every fighting game should be street fighter 2 clone, otherwise is a fucking party game and you're not real gamer

Sincerely, Yea Forums

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Just like Smash 4. They made every DLC broken as fuck only to nerf the hell out of them in Ultimate. If these characters return next game expect them to be nerfed hard. But ONLY next game, after they've squeezed all the money out of them.

I suffered 2 faggot anime gays shitting up the game for months so banjo better be the most broken beyond OP cunt to ever grace a video game so i can have a turn

It's funny because smash 4 also suffered by 2 faggot anime (Cloud and Bayo)

Agreed.

Yesterday tried to play some Elites and 95% of them were against Hero.

It has jabs, blocks, grabs, combos, projectiles, parries, mixups, with a roster designed around a basic "Ryu." Its even sideways instead of 3d like soul calibur. So because the goal is to knock someone into a death pit its not a fighter? The movemnt options are too various and effective? The goal is to build high damage on your opponent while minimising damage on yourself, but you have to land a clean finisher to win. You cant just jab them out. It sounds like a fighter to me.

I like fighting heroes cause I’m good enough I can usually rush their bullshit but sometimes the RNG lines up too well for them

>Banjo Turns out to be the most balanced DLC character between both Ultimate and 4
>He doesn’t slowly snowball into the best character into the game with buffs every patch

Im screencapping literally every single post in this thread so no matter what happens I'll always have some retard to laugh at.
Keep seething Yea Forums.