So everyone is in agreement that Edelgard would have been better served as the villain who has the hots for you rather...

>make lysithea a gremory because she wrecks everything in her path
>timeskip happens
>ugly purple veil is constantly clipping through the outfit

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>getting to level 30 before the timeskip
Play on hard you pussy

As a dmitrifag, I honestly want a third route where you can pair him and Edelgard. C'mon ISIS, do it.

Letting innocents get killed just because you couldn't be bothered to kill Nemesis's lackeys and destroying the church instead of reforming it was a complete brainlet move. Hiring killers to eliminate Claude and Dimitri while almost getting herself killed as well was also a 0 IQ move.
>m-muh childhood promise
What a retarded bitch.

She kinda reminds me of Ultimecia/Edea from FF8.

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>Letting innocents get killed just because you couldn't be bothered to kill Nemesis's lackeys and destroying the church instead of reforming it was a complete brainlet move.

Literally impossible to reform without an armed conflict because the Church is far too entrenched in the culture of the world.

>Edelgard killed my entire family despite being a kid stuck in a rape dungeon!
What a retarded moron

That lipstick ruins her look desu

No, you're a fucking idiot.

You get close counter WAY too early, good lord.

this board really needs to get over her

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I want to save her
How do i do it
25 hours in

Do her route, talk to her every month in exploration, do her support.

Give her the D.

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Look at all these waifu faggots trying to defend their shitty character.

She's popular among normies, so we can't.

just a bad character in general. this game is full of 10/10 characters and she's just a fucking blight

In this game if there's three factions you can 'choose' to back does that mean you get three storylines and the campaign is substantially different when you play it three times over or is it just slight branching?

Yeah, that's why it'd be better if she were just a villain instead of a playable lord post timeskip. She's much more compelling as the baddie than lukewarm good guy. It's also much more emotional to have to fight somebody you spend half the game getting close too and waifuing.

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You get 4 because edelgards route is the only one you can cuck her for the church in

Not him but I was playing on hard and got one Master Class pre-TS.

> everywhere other than Yea Forums thinks she's a great character
>Yea Forums thinks she's a shit character

really activates my almonds

The only redemption for her is a swift death at the hands of her first love.
Join Blue Lions

Define everywhere?

In one route, she's so evil is practically comical, another she leans evil-ish, in the third she's a sympathetic antagonist who you feel bad for having to kill, and in the last one she's made out to be a gray hero. She's inconsistent as fuck.

Fuck off blue lion leader fag, who's name is so irrelevant I forgot it

>Literally impossible to reform without an armed conflict because the Church is far too entrenched in the culture of the world.
Play literally any other route and you'll see that you're wrong.

>that time where she uses benie as bait and then burns her alive
Jesus

Not hard to get the nuke to level 30 before the time skip.

Three houses would have been way better with the paths interwoven. Each being some separate thing sucks.

>Her route makes the least sense
Are you fucking retarded? The church route is the most fucking retarded and moronic route.

I did and it reinforces the fact that Edelgard builds a bridge of reform by initiating the conflict.
Face it, it was needed.

accompany her when she asks you to go with her.
And don't betray her.

Why does she become a demon if I'm not with her?

I don't understand how sparing people in this game works.
Do I have to defeat them with Byleth? I defeated Leonie and Hilda with her and they still died.

Now she does.

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Name literally one thing that Edelgard did wrong that isn't

>attempting to assassinate her classmates before the game starts
>working with the villains that are responsible for all the fucked up crest shit
>letting the villains kill everyone in a village
>helping the villains kill your dad
>going after the church when the villains are responsible for all of your problems
>leaving Bernadetta on a dry pile of wood hoping that other armies will come kill her so you can light her corpse on fire
>having no actual argument for your behavior beyond NO U
>going for the killing blow even when you know you lose
>giving Ferdinand babies but not Byleth

Hm... you got me there, user. I can't.

>Yea Forums likes to meme that villain characters did nothing wrong
>get to side with one of these characters and they go 100% moralfag

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>BL route
>BE cast is loyal to Edelgard

>GD route
>BE cast is loyal to Edelgard

>BE route
>BE cast is loyal to Edelgard

>church route
>uuuuh we're totally against Edelgard!

you forgot the part where she is a 20 year old girl that installed herself as god emperor and reshaped the entire continent in her image and then didn't obliterate the slitherers like she said she would

Bernie really choose wrong.

Yeah. One wonders if Selvaria would have been such a big hit on Yea Forums if she was joinable.

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>going for the killing blow even when you know you lose

This one was all right. She brought a war because of her ideals and was ready to die for it, Dimitri was a pussy for giving her a chance

It's impressive, really. The vast majority of the board are BLfags, and yet no one can shut the fuck up about Edelgard. She really rustles anons' jimmies. I just don't get it.

You didn’t take into account that Blythe is a factor in the church route to turn the students against edelgaurd

It really wasn't
Given that both Demitiri and Claude's routes result in the same positive outcome that Edelgard wanted, what she did really was unnecessary and retarded
The only difference is that in her route she's the one with all the power, her route post timeskip is literally her going
>it's okay when I do it

I just don't get why anyone thinks her being the leader of everything is a good idea. The fact that she was willing to do literally anything awful to ensure the empire was safe makes her look like the kind of leader that would hit the nuke button the minute she feels her security is threatened and basically keep everyone in control under fear
At least in Dimitri and Claude's routes they basically accomplish what she wanted without being dickheads about it

>Given that both Demitiri and Claude's routes result in the same positive outcome that Edelgard wanted, what she did really was unnecessary and retarded

An outcome that is only made possible by uniting Fodland, which began with Edelgard war. It allowed the corruption of the church to be unveiled and institute much-needed reforms. Something that would have been impossible without the conflict.

>The only difference is that in her route she's the one with all the power, her route post timeskip is literally her going
>it's okay when I do it

You didn't do her route because she sure as fuck isn't being a hypocrite. She knows what she's doing and push to end the war early to lessen casualties, she doesn't waste time justifying herself.

Not really, it barely matters

In the end Edelgard was right. Rhea, and thus the Church of Seiros, had to be stopped. She didn't reject the faith or the goddess. She rejected the church that were basically tyrants who ruled with an extremist iron fist and killed those who thought different to them.
But the only way to stop the Church was to go into war with the Kingdom.

In the end, the Crests did nothing but bring misery and misfortune to people (Bernadetta, Lysithea, Marianne, Mercedes, for example)
They all were tortured, or being forced into marriage, or having their lives screwed because of them.

The crushing of the Alliance and the Kingdom was a necessary evil for a greater good.
Just like the atomic bombs in Japan were a necessary evil to put a stop to the war. Are they excusable? No, they're indeed unfortunate and evil events with no excuse. However, once again, they were necessary evil to stop an even bigger cataclysm.

Edelgard was completely heartbroken all the way thorough her route while doing everything she was doing. She hated soiling her boots in so much blood that had to be shed in order to reach her goals, but it was the only option. It was either that, or endure more years of the crests, nobility corruption, and a tyrant church.

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Was conflict really necessary? Couldn't Edelgard have tried something different first rather than jump straight to murdering her classmates?

I wouldn't say she gives off that impression in her own route, but I am admittedly not done with it yet.

No, being able to join her is part of what makes her interesting.

Other than every other route proves that her method was not necessary at all

Different timelines, different motives.

Shes very much capable of it. Everyone is decent when bylith cummies are near by.
But edel consistently comically a bad guy in every other route.

Honestly? Conflict was inevitable.

Assuming Edelgard betrayed the slitherers during year one to inform the church (something that'd be pretty antithetical to her character), the slitherers would have forced a war somehow because of how deeply they've embedded themselves inside every faction.

Edelgard literally says she's only sane because her teacher was still there with her.
Byleth was the only keeping her with a straight head in her route.

That's because shes obsessed with him in every other route too.
Shes unhindged.

Don't really care about good or bad, villains are always the best waifus.

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All the other routes depend on her actions.

>and killed those who thought different to them.
The church is filled with people who don't believe in Seiros. The people she killed were actual criminals

Considering how far the game bends itself backwards to make sure you chose the "right" option no matter what your choice was, it seems kinda silly to say she's unfit to lead in her route because she went nuts in the other ones. Dimitri and Rhea also go nuts on paths that aren't their own. Claude is frankly the only mentally stable one.

Nah, in every other route you find out that Rhea was planning on having Byleth take her place, then they just need to deal with the slitherers and that's everything handled without a war

But user. She doesn't let you give her the D. She'll let literally anyone else but not you.

Perhaps not her exact method, but some form of full destabilization was absolutely necessary to rout the church and their decadent noble culture.

Should I buy this game if I didn't really like Fates/Awakening? It just seems like more waifu shit and less gameplay.

The only people who knowingly choose her route are chaosfags/fedora tippers and her beta orbiters. Prove me wrong.

Why join for another character when they can be recruited?

Dimitri and Rhea go nuts in there own route too.

Is Byleth really just everyone's psychologist?

reddit

Rhea's only 'plan' was to have Sothis reincarnated. Which failed anyway.

I think most non-otomefag dimitrifags want that, honestly

>Church and BE are the evil routes
>both led by women
>BL and GD are the good guy routes
>both led by guys

What did Nintendo mean by this?

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The real problem is the MU and how both Dimitri and Edelgard need them to not be fucking batshit. MU-centric writing ruins characters without fail.

women evil

As far as I could tell you can only spare Claude and Lysithea if you kill them with edel and maybe byleth

Too weak for this world...

What happens if you spare Claude? Get an item or something?

>recruit Petra and Bernie into the Lions
>do their paralogue
>Instead of Catherine showing up as the boss it's Hubert
>He has meteor and just kills one of your characters if you don't kill him the moment he spawns

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU HAVE METEOR YOU DONT EVEN LEARN METEOR

The most based person alive

I wouldn't know since I killed him.

BE isn't an evil route tho.

I for one like playing the red bad guy conquerors for once. They're bad in a realistic and human way too, not in that over the top OBVIOUSLY EVUL way that a lot of games do (like New Vegas). They have their own justification for war and sympathetic qualities to their characters. So you can have good people supporting them, even if they're definitely the baddies for everyone else.

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>chapter 12
>Edelgard suddenly the map boss
>has all these fucking beast skills and shit
>back to being her puny self the next chapter

A cutscene and promise that he’ll repay the debt. I haven’t gotten further yet so no idea if or how that happens.

Friendly reminder that byleths milkers are the real heroes and true route of the game.

>Edelgard stomping on the flags of other nations to show her power
>Hubert hamming the whole evil adviser thing up
>guy with dagger behind his back showing the backstabby nature of Imperial politics

I really love villain routes.

fucken hubert made me laughed when i saw this

the only reasonable explanation for dimitri returning from insanity were professor milkies

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All the medieval art in this game is awesome, especially coming off Kingdom Come Deliverance

BLiggers really can't handle moral gray, can they

seeing this picture made me realize how ive come to appreciate the students
before release i was very doubtful they'd be good characters

A lot of games make their bad guy faction completely unlikeable, even if they're joinable. That's the issue. That's why people don't pick them. Using New Vegas, if Ceasar's Legion was actually likeable and didn't have that atrocious aesthetic, people would probably pick them far more often. In the grand scheme of things, likability is more important than morality to most players and many of them will pick the charismatic and hot baddie over a bland and boring good guy. If you put bad guys up who are cool and somewhat sympathetic, people will be clamoring to join them.

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>moral gray
Did you mean BLACKED Eagles, user?

complete the scenario without engaging them. as in, actively avoid them during your turns.
I don't know if there's literally a "spare them" command because I didn't even fuck around

Only one who gets blacked is Dimitri

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How would dindue BLACK anything when he's obviously castrated

Dindu is the fucking man too bad his name / skin color is so exploitable

>You didn't do her route because she sure as fuck isn't being a hypocrite
>worked with the people that directly fucked her over with the crests because "it's okay when I do it"

You got me user, I can't name anything wrong other than stuff she did wrong

where do you find all those fucking murals
i want to follow the life of that baby deer

she's a godless nigger. "morally grey" or not.

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She doesn't want to make an enemy out of them since they'd fuck her up. They're allies of convenience that she's planning on fucking them up after the Church is taken care of. Personally though, TWSITD seem to be worse than the Church, but I can see why she'd let them "help" her.

Its because Yea Forums also loves to suck church cock for some reason, and in this case the villain is against the church.

>actually named doudou in japan
its not fair hes the coolest student

>Just like the atomic bombs in Japan were a necessary evil to put a stop to the war.
Nah, Allies just shit themselves when everyone realized that USSR was about to "liberate" Japan. So, yeah, dropping a nuke was a good way to say: "W-we got this under c-contol, no need to go further, Stalin s-sama!". And that's after burning alive the whole Tokyo.

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otomefujo stacie sisters........

It's understandable to hate religion in the real world, where the gods are distant/non existent
But in a fantasy world where there are living, breathing saints and gods who walk among the people, it's fucking retarded. It's just like the dwemer in TES.

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fujoshits got fucking btfo, otomestacies won again

Give her the thing all Fire Emblem girls desire.

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based

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This game has been way too fucken easy for me. I'm basically one shotting bosses on hard difficulty.

Should I wait for lunatic before starting the other routes or just finish it all now?

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You are confusing faith with organized religion. In a world with verifiable gods it is stupid to claim they don't exist. But that doesn't mean organized religion is good just because it follows said gods. The church can still be corrupt or wrong, even if their god is real. Fighting against said church can be a noble act.

It is when the gods and saints are an active part of the organized religion.
For example, in the Seteth/Flayn paralogue it's hilarious to see the western church say "noo this isn't what Chicol wants" directly to Setheth/Chicol. like no, retard, you're wrong

The Slitherers are the true imperial power, Edelgard power is hamstrung by their influence; her only power base are the Beagles students.

Hubert frame it in a way that he nad her ''chose'' this alliance but that's a complete lie, the slitherers have her by the throat and only with sensei help and the students does she managed to build a proper base of her own to bring the fight to them.

I played on hard and had Petra Edelgard, Bernie and MC level 30 before the timeskip. What the fuck are you doing.

I don't know the answer to that. All I know is that I really want to fuck Dimitri's pretty face.

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>Reforming a church that praises a goddess who hates humans and made the church to control them
Fucking what?

There's a difference between acknowledging the existence of gods and thinking that they should be worshipped, or that their commandments should be obeyed. Besides, while Edelgard wants to get rid of the crest-based nobility and free Fodlan from the church's influence, she doesn't seem to take issue with the faith itself. The church at the monastery still celebrates saints' days and the like after the timeskip.

>4 Paralogues
>2 quests
>2 days off, 2 points each
fug

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I think some teachers would agree with that

The saints that she fucking killed, yeah

Black Eagles
>oddball misfits
Blue Lions
>tightly knit family
Golden Deer
>bunch of asshole friends

Best units per house not including the lords
Black Eagles
>Dorothea, Petra, Ferdinand
Blue Lions
>Felix, Dedue, Ashe
Golden Deer
>Hilda, Raphael, Lysithea

We Roshomon now

>Ferdinand
>Good

>ashe

eah, not at all.
Edelfags really did play a completely different game I guess.
Or they're deluded.

Cuck spotted.

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He's good though? Stat growths are excellent

Ashe is the best sniper/bow knight in the game.

>Ashe
You mean Ingrid yeah? Most enemies got a 20% chance to hit her at best and she can one shot them.

Sylvain, Ashe, and Ingrid are all monsters.

I don't mind it, but it does lead to a lot of shitposting by people who've played one path at most and think they have it all figured out.

Can I make Marianne a holy knight with E lance but A riding + faith?

>I cannot double for shit Ferdinand
>I cannot tank for shit Ferdinand
>I warm the bench nicely Ferdinand
>Good

>expected Edelgard being the most popular lord on release.
>Everyone actually wants fuck Dimitri.

That's a bit unexpected.

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>going for the killing blow even when you know you lose

There is literally nothing wrong with giving it all to your last. The problem when Dimitri doesn't go nuclear is that he just wanted his childhood friend route back

Did you look at monthly stats?

She is the most popular everywhere else. Dimitri is just popular here and we all want to fuck him.

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Her house is by far the most popular everywhere else though

If I'm being honest, all Blue Lions are monsters. I wasted time putting riding on Ingrid and she still turned out OP vs mages by the start of Part 2. She's my weakest "monster" so to speak.

Name a more based mindset.

You can't.

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That's what happens when you put all your time investing into waifus user instead of letting them all grow equally. That's because BE has the best mages.

Yea Forumsirgins and otomefags are hardly representative of the larger player base. Black Eagles students dominate the monthly deployment lists.

>Shamir is not just a good Archer, she also brings banter with Catherine
That's it, Ashe, I carried you for too long.

Shamir also has 0 stat levelups. Good luck user.

>Church outside of Rhea is more or less a bunch of bros on basically every other route
>Worships a dragon loli goddess
>Crusades against people just because they have different beliefs than her but sides with people who are even WORSE than the corruption the church has
>Thinking that ending the church of serios would even put a stop to organized religion and people who wish to practice such teachings
>NOOOOOOOOOO they love to such church cock!

I don't know what happened but she had a higher stat total then byleth on my first playthrough

True. Wars weren't won by protecting citizens.

My Ashe was the MVP for too many maps, he really is a bit of a late bloomer

Ah, same as Ashe.
Still, a net positive.

>Took the armored knight pill
>The only units above 30 speed in the end game were Felix and Bernie, neither of which were ever knights

How does that logic work if you're the one who starts the war

>dominate
Literally impossible to tell how much more they are beating other classes in with the in game stats

Really?

>lying

How good are holy knights and how terrible would going full DEUS VULT with holy knights during the church route be, by that I mean make literally everyone but potentially Rhea and Byleth a holy knight

SMT has taught me that chaosfags are the true chads

>the only just war is a defensive war

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the game is piss easy
just do it

"Dominate" as in they take up literally every spot on the list. That doesn't necessarily mean they have much of lead, granted, but it's a consistent one. You'd think Dimitri or Claude would be on there, at the very least.

>sothis hates humans
Huh?

You can't unless you consider killing her before she commits act as saving her. Maybe DLC with add a Bloodless Eagles route

>clearly evil route doesn't make sense

Woooooooow

Every route in a Nutshell:
BLACK EAGLES
>El: Church bad
>Rhea: Surely church is not as bad as you purport it to be
>El: Shut
BLUE LIONS
>Dimitri: I AM BETRAYAL
>Byleth: Stop being a retard
>Dimitri: No
>Gilbert: Stop being a retard
>Dimitri: No
>Rodrigue: Stop being a retard
>Dimitri: No
>Rodrigue: *dies*
>Byleth: Will you stop being a retard now
>Dimitri: Ok
GOLDEN DEER
>Claude: Teach, everyone's being autistic and it's boring me
>Claude: Wanna go underground and actually figure out why shit's so fucked?
>Claude: Hey Teach, what's an "ICBM"?
>Byleth: Where did this fucking dubstep come from
>Nemesis: CHURCH BAD
CHURCH
See black eagles but you're on Rhea's side

>How do i do it
Max support with Hanneman.

Bitch is crazy, but not the crazy we want

The way I understood it, Alliance was taken out by nessessity due to not wanting to fight a multi fronted war. Kingdom was closely tied to the church and had the unlucky draw of being where Rhea et al retreated to. Plus Dimitri went nutso.

Wars werent won by setting your only loyal soldiers on fire

I've got a B support with Annete and D faith why don't she want me man?

Yeah let's just declare war on the people that have undermined the empire and possess fucking nukes.
And she was hiding her monster strength the entire time pre-timeskip, so obv she would have waited until the last moment to defend herself during the ambush.

You people are too fucking stupid for a Nintendo game, jesus christ.

Is this your first time recruiting through b support because you don't recruit them directly, you get them to b support and then you keep playing, on a random day that month they should ask to join you

>bros
>lmao, Catherine, set the city on fire
>ok, Seiros-sama, whatever you say
how about no

What's your Magic?

On an actual gameplay note how the fuck do you deal with this death knight the first time he shows up? My only thief isn't fast enough to steal the dark seal and he one shots anyone but Byleth.

>>leaving Bernadetta on a dry pile of wood hoping that other armies will come kill her so you can light her corpse on fire
When did this happen

I mean shes actually fucking obsessed with you in every route

>Yeah let's just declare war on the people that have undermined the empire and possess fucking nukes.
Possessing isn't the same as using. Edelgard is still retarded. Dimitri's situation is still borne out of Edelgard's stupidity.

I haven't played any of the Fire Emblems since Radiant Dawn and this game just seems pathetically easy.

Was Radiant Dawn hard (some say it's hands down the hardest) or is this game just really fucking easy? Not even considering the time-rewind bullshit.

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Annette requires B on faith.
But it's easier to B support who you want and wait a random weekday for them to ask you to join.

How can people still not understand that Byleth keeps her sane? She straight up says this in the game

>Nemesis's lackeys
Actual, literal proof that Edelgard haters didn't play the game. Nemesis was the Slitherers' lackey, not the other way around.

They're generally good people, but pious/loyal enough for Seiros to take advantage of them.

Hello user, have you seen Flayn? She told me she had some business to take care of, but she's been gone for several hours and I'm concerned.

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No I've been getting kids to B support and recruiting them through skills. Am I guaranteed she'll show up since she's at B?
Game is pretty easy. Gambits are strong as fuck if you use them right and battalions are EZ stats.

>Yea Forums can finally fuck the hot female villain
>they hate itwhat went wrong

3H is harder than Tellus junk

spam gambits
Everyone DOES have a battalion, right, user?

Radiant wasn't hard. Get your head out of your ass.

Still, Three House is indeed rather easy. Let's hope lunatic improve that.

Radiant dawn is very balanced, challenging but not unfair on western normal. Nu fe is without balance and made for tards

pretty much every fire emblem game post 7 is a cake walk in normal which is equivalent to this game's hard in my opinion
just wait for maddening or whatever the fuck the update is called

She volunteered to by the house rep in the cup

During the 3 way rematch after the timeskip Edelgard leaves Bernadetta on the hill in the middle and when you clear out the eagles on top of it Edelgard lights the entire thing on fire because her plan was to use Bernie as bait to get you up there.

Not yet.. I haven't really been using them, am I fucked or can I buy ones and have them be strong enough before the fight?

The second battle of gronder

Yeah, she should join you herself

Sounds like a good idea when you're up against literal War Jesus.

you should be ok if you just equip everyone with a basic one for now
don't forget to replenish them before every battle.

Like Other user said, DK can't do shit against gambits

because they know she is right
because they know she is cute
because they secretly want to breed her as strong women like her are hot

but they will negate these feelings and instead proclaim inimication because they cannot fathom the thought of having passionate hate sex with this being

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The Slitherers and the prime minister are colluded. They control the Emperor, Edelgard's father. The prime minister is willing to let the Slitherers do whatever they want in exchange for power. Edelgard only becomes Emperor by allying herself with the slitherers, and afterwards they keep them close in order to discover everything about them. You're forgetting that Hubert backtracing their nuke under Edelgard's orders was the only reason you found their hideout, which the Church of Seiros failed to locate for centuries.

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People thirst for the unobtainable.
Then shirk away from it once they can obtain it.
The chase is more fun

I thought she trapped you in a Mcdonalds playplace, Seteth. Have you gotten out alright?

The gameplay is good but it depends on how much you enjoy the pre-planning/routing aspect of FE

>literally every character should have authority be leveled
come on

Will try that, thanks

fucking chill I even said I didn't play any of them you're the only one who replied with some autistic nigger shit

I mean, I'm a dimitri/bl fag and I would definitely go for a way to pair her and dimitri together.

But it doesn't work and all she did was kill a great archer. It's a 0 IQ move that's incredibly fucked up on several levels

O-oh, she's certainly not in my room
nope

user, the Slitherers weren't responsible for Edie's decision to involve everyone. She could've still had achieved her goals without the genocides and tragedies.

that map made me detest the slitherers so fucking much
>need to save their asses
>instead of trying to survive, they suicide themselves on the crest beasts
>when you spend the effort to save them all, they go, psh, what did I expect from an incompetent like you
fuck these niggers

YOU CANT EVEN FUCK HER SHE GIVES YOU NO KIDS

Because that ending was written for Femleth.

Because they are being manipulated by Rhea. Better than being manipulated by a bunch of slythering cucks

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The end vision she was aiming for was my favorite out of all the lords, but the means were often stupid as fuck
>conspires with the clearly evil people who kill your dad and kidnap students
>claims to want to end the war with the least amount of deaths possible, while taking paths that take lots of lives meaninglessly
The war would've been less costly if she wasn't an autist when it came to communication, and actually spread word of the church's wrongdoings to the Kingdom and Alliance

user, Hubert clearly explains that the whole thing was a set-up to scare the Black Eagle Strike Force, and Hubert accepted the job for the opportunity to collect intel on their true enemy.

Most of the "tragedies" you're talking about are the result of the slither/church shadow war.

I've finished developing my party's skills. is there a point doing all the dining and instructional stuff anymore? I've also gotten almost everyone to A supports. should I just skip it?

Like the previous user said, she gives you no kids
And on the end where she does get with you, she doesn't want anybody to know, she's ashamed of what you two have
But in the Ferdie ending, it's announced they have kids

You must fucking suck so bad at FE if you find FE9 and FE10 hard in any way.

None of the bisexual girls give you kids because they have the same ending for both genders of Byleth.

Lesbo ends were a mistake

Gambits for a few chip damage and then hit him hard with something like Luna magic or a strong anti-mount weapon. Depends on your route how easy it is desu.

It is a million times harder than the 9 the US got. Not as hard as 10 though which is only difficult because the dawn brigade is a pile of shit

nah i like that you can play as the villain. i wish they'd just gone further and had you and her fully embrace the evil instead of rationalizing it

FEMALE LITH IS NOT CANON REEEE

They couldn't be fucked to have it say they adopt in lesbo route but have kids in dicklyth route? It's two fucking strings for christ sake

Doesn't she publish a manifesto detailing the wrongdoings of the church and members of the nobility? Could have sworn Hubert talked about that.

>Most of the "tragedies" you're talking about are the result of the slither/church shadow war.
Which is why she set off a world war. Okay.
I don't know why you're justifying her actions because the "end" is similar to the other routes ends.
She might be well written, but it's clear that she didn't consider other options. Lys also had a similar situation and didn't want to conquer everything as pretext for killing those who experimented on her.
Have you actually played GD route user?

the problem is you're trapped with an "evil route" after about 20 minutes into the game when you barely know the characters. i wonder how many normies got this game and picked her route just a month after getting PISSED that dany turned into the bad guy in game of thrones and then got blindsided again

Like Hubert is a reliable source. That Edgy shady fuck would do anything to make it seem his side was in the right

I don't really like playing as a sociopath though.

Is it really that much effort to have a male flavor text?

Dimitri and Claude were #2 and #3 on that list respectively on release day, but then BE swept them away with their non-lord units

>playing as a sociopath
Byleth isn't a sociopath.

Blue Lions currently

>get rid of crests, gods, the slitherers, old nobility system and unite Fodlain again
Yeah you're going to break a few eggs for that omelet.

Apparently it fucking is.

He says they're getting ready to publish it on Edelgard's route, to Edelgard. I don't see what he would gain from lying about that.

I have, and funny you bring the endings. That's the part of the game that makes my point for me. If she wins, she wins and was right. The only message in the game is "winner is correct", because that's what happens. The fact that her route has unambiguously good, sugary-sweet happy endings like this:

>After the war, Edelgard and Lysithea threw themselves\ninto the fight against those who slither in the dark.\nThe struggle was long and arduous, but not without its\nbenefits. With careful analysis of ancient techniques,\nthey discovered ways to recover the years of life that had\nbeen stolen from them. Afterwards, the new Adrestian\nemperor and Lysithea, her trusted officer, devoted the\nrest of their lives to Fódlan's rule. For her counsel in\ninstituting class reforms and ensuring the independence of\nthe people, Lysithea came to be known as the Wisdom of\nthe Empire. The pair of talented women ushered Fódlan\ninto a new age of innovation and prosperity.

Means that they aren't condemning Edelgard. This isn't Mind of Steel or even Megaten Law/Chaos endings, this explicitly saying that if she wins she does create a better world. Yes, everyone else does if they win, too, but that's not my point. It's that there is no real condemnation. No "there were civil wars in Fodlan to try to rebel against the new Emperor" or "they couldn't beat those who slither in the dark" or "the Empire crumbled", it's a completely straightforward "happily ever after". What is the game trying to say with this?

You don't have Lysithia for Dark Spikes Τ (B) so you're gonna have to use an anti-mount weapon or get lucky with gambits and big damage.

Yeah, but evil routes are usually "go and slaughter this orphanage" tier shit. Having somewhat of a rationale or justification for your actions are important.

Go play the GD route user and see why you're wrong. And all the other routes end just like Edie's where Fodlain is right again, spoiler alert.

Not sure I have any anti-mount weapons specifically, I think a few of my characters have anti-mount combat arts though

When can I dump units? Im going Lions and im gonna fuck bernie so I'm thinking about just dropping Ashe since he sucks. Is this a bad idea?

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>I have, and funny you bring the endings.
See Also
>It's that there is no real condemnation. What is the game trying to say with this?
That the good endings is only a result of the literal goddess siding with you?
Again user, I don't see why you stick with "end justifies the means" argument when the other routes do the job with less genocides involved.
You're defending Edie when there's nothing to defend her actions from the jump.
Slitherers weren't the reason so-and-so died. Slitherers weren't the reason for the ambush in the beginning of the game where Byleth was supposed to die.

Arts might not be enough. DK only needs to crit once to end a mother fucker

I don't remember if you can crit against him but you can also try for that. Other than that, don't worry about it and pick up the item later and try to minmax for this encounter on your next playthrough, it's not gonna break the game if you miss it.

Ashe has better stat growths than Bernie.
Just make Bernie a dancer.

Ashe is marginally better than Bernie, but they're pretty interchangeable units. You should be fine.

>you just randomly disappear for 5 years and then randomly wake up and get reunited with everyone

Really this game's story has the pacing all over the fucking place

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>nukes
They’re missles, and they’re weak enough that people can walk out of range if given 10 seconds of warning. Furthermore using them reveals their location so as soon as they do you can knock them out in a weekend

Church Route got way too easy at the end.

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It's especially silly for Dorothea, who spends the five year time skip literally watching after orphans created by Edelgard's war.

You're also hired on the spot when you get to the fort. Pacing ain't the games strong suit

really dont get why blyeth wasnt just trapped in the shadow realm for 5 years

You are a fucking fool, stop posting

a) They accomplish change thanks to the situation Edelgard has created.
b) Yes, they have almost identical endings with some variations, but generally Fodlan is happy and prosperous. That means she wasn't wrong.

I'm not defending her, I'm saying the game doesn't condemn her. She doesn't have a villain route, her route doesn't lead to a tyrannical, evil empire that will conquer the world. It leads to:

>helped to ensure the people's independence
>ushered Fódlan\ninto a new age of innovation and prosperity.
>produced magical tools that could be used even without\nthe aid of Crests. These were put to eager use by Edelgard,\nwho saw both of their dreams realized.

What is the game trying to say? And the ambush at the beginning was only meant to get rid of the teacher.

Rhea isn't a villain.
Rhea is a mental patient that either goes off the deep end and needs to be killed, or a mental patient that you can fix, depending on the route.

Edelgard is show in most routes to be quite sane and well aware that what she's doing is monstrous.

Why do the intermediate classes have better mastery skills than most advanced classes and every master class?

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unfortunately autism won't let me miss it, I'll just bash my head against it until I win, appreciate the advice

>That means she wasn't wrong.
Not that user but if all the other routes achieve the same fucking thing but with less bloodshed that means Edie's route can be considered morally wrong.

Because you're expected to be in intermediate a long time before you're ready for advanced

warlock's mastery ability is bowbreaker?
i mean... okay?

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Insane hater

Why are you mad?

>a)
Crest discrimination would have still started to end regardless of her retardedness. I swear nobody talking up Edie has maxed out Lys and Hanneman.
>b)
She wasn't wrong on that point, she was wrong everywhere else.

>I'm saying the game doesn't condemn her
She's a villain on all 4 routes user. I don't understand why you say her route doesn't lead to a tyrannical evil empire just because the writers handwaved everything else after the final battle. Kinda obvious that it is, isn't it? Otherwise when Edie steps down after marrying you, and this is the biggest proof, she wouldn't go into hiding.

But they don't achieve the same thing with less bloodshed, they create the new world thanks to Edelgard bringing the old world down. You're pretending the bloodshed doesn't happen on the other routes, but it does.

So you can tank bow knights with Dorothea/Hubert/any mage with 4 range.

Aren't bows supposed to be the soft counter to magic?

Rhea can redeem herself in two routes. Edgelord can't be redeemed in any.

>U mad lol?
Kill yourself on the double

>I think my bad rng dictates what a good character looks like
You retards never learn.

>There are actually regularly posting Anons in this thread who recruit and kill Dorothea out of misinterpreted thot-ism for sheer spite.
>These same people deprive themselves of the absolute best offensive spell in the entire game.

It's to help counter they're lower DEF against archers who can counter at range.
I said less bloodshed not none at all. It happens on other routes but not at the scale at which Edie is fine with.

Why are my tits so fucking fat and great? Every side view makes my mind boggle that the armor can contain these sweater puppies

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I think they convinced themselves that they had to treat her like a permanent fixture in terms of game mechanics, otherwise it would be way to obvious there was something fishy about her.

Yes they have low DEF but high RES

ah, fair enough. certainly wasn't what i was expecting, though.

>Otherwise when Edie steps down after marrying you, and this is the biggest proof, she wouldn't go into hiding.
Alright that's it, you're fucking insane.

They were weak against magic in Fates

I did full Holy Knights during Blue Lions and having everyone able to heal is pretty fucking incredible.

>Crest discrimination would have still started to end regardless of her retardedness. I swear nobody talking up Edie has maxed out Lys and Hanneman.
Wow, after a thousand years of nothing now suddenly there are enough Crest Einsteins around to fix everything.

Nah I think I'll prefer the one with a plan that doesn't rely on happenstance.

Did you see Hanneman's supports? Hanneman's experiments were forbidden by the Church. He is only able to conduct them because Edelgard's war forced the Church into reformation.

>because the writers handwaved everything else after the final battle.
user, this is a fictional fucking world. Only the text in the game matters. And what we know about Edelgard's Fodlan? Free, prosperous, innovative and peaceful.

Go be mad somewhere else.

Same user? Why the need to samefag?

I have to agree with the enligthen Dimitribros on this one, Edelgard is an absolutely irredeemable villain.

>she killed her mom and Dimitri's whole family when she was 12 yo
>she shoved a gun in her uncle's face and forced him to conduct horrible experiments on little childrens
>she blackmailed her poor uncle (again) and Ferdinand's dad into betraying the Emperor
>she killed Jeralt, and as if that wasn't enough this heartless animal brutally murdered Solon and Kronya, and this genuinely makes me feel sick
>she conducted experiments on innocent people and this is just morally wrong, it can't be right

How can waifufags even justify her actions, idk did they even play the game ? Now you will excuse me I'll go back enjoy Dimitri's fanarts on twitter, peace.

Ok this guy is literally crazy, sad

>after a thousand years
>suddenly
Or, maybe they just didn't have the tech to realize that goal user. Just a thought.
But sure, go ahead with painting the world red because apparently time can't heal wounds since they're "happenstance"

Someone explain this:
Edelgard claims she has to work with slitherers because they're too strong and influential for her to go against, but then claims she has to take as stand against the church because they're the ones controlling everything in Fodlan.
Which one is in control? It can't be both. Why does she have to ally with the more evil one?

>And what we know about Edelgard's Fodlan? Free, prosperous, innovative and peaceful.

All routes end up becoming this.
So by that point, all you can do is judge the road each takes to get there.
And Edelgard's is the most abhorrent.

>I said less bloodshed not none at all. It happens on other routes but not at the scale at which Edie is fine with.
No, there is definitely roughly an equal number of people dying per route. In Edelgard's route the Alliance is left almost unscathed, for instance.

>steps down supposedly
> doesnt want to be seen with me anywhere.
Hmm..

part one
white clouds

Simple

>"B-but that one time when she was talking to Mystery Niggas, she was upset with them for doing a thing!!!"

>He is only able to conduct them because Edelgard's war forced the Church into reformation.
Rhea was practically begging to hand the church over to Byleth. Hanneman's experiments would have started regardless of the war lol
>And what we know about Edelgard's Fodlan? Free, prosperous, innovative and peaceful.
Dimitri and Claude's Fodlain were also those things, with less bloodshed too.

The slitherers control the Empire, the Church controls Fodlan. How are these statements contradictory?

even Tolkien knew that the world moved on after the adventure
the same way the scouring of the shire happens, there is no fucking way in seven hells that she was allowed to just unite the entire world through bloody conquest in five years and everyone just sat down at her table and gave themselves up to the god emperor
she would spend her entire life quelling rebellions and carving up the new world and filling castles with new leaders and rebuilding cities

>less bloodshed
Citation needed.

Five years of war happen off-screen, Beagles has 18 chapters. Ergo, fewer people die because there are less military operations.

One has ICBMs

100% truth. See this user So mad.

>popular character exists
>Yea Forumseddit hates them
Like pottery

>Rhea was practically begging to hand the church over to Byleth.
Only if they successfully channeled Sothis.

>Dimitri and Claude's Fodlain were also those things, with less bloodshed too.
The bloodshed already happened. It happens in every route!

Thanks for supporting my point, I don't know why people called me retarded after saying the truth

>Dimitri and Claude's Fodlain were also those things, with less bloodshed too.
Wrong

That's not what the writers of 3 Houses are saying, which is my point.

>only if they successfully channeled sothis

you mean, what exactly happened?

Why is edel the main villian on every other route?

The Empire is within Fodlan. In addition, if they were only in control of the Empire then Edelgard has all the more reason to collaborate with the other countries and the Church in order to exterminate them.

Are you retarded user

Edelfaggots are the worst cancer so far this summer. Taking out the church isn't going to make crests magically useless. People will still want their power because they give people power, like everlasting life or double crests etc. These retards just eat up anything she says without thinking of what it actually means. It's like they lack the capacity to think, as if they are literal children powered by their boner.

This time, there's a valid reason

Even if Byleth didn't (on the off chance), she would've still given it to him/her
>The bloodshed already happened.
Edelgard won't be able to unite Fodlan without force. There's clearly more force involved in Edie's route than there will be with Claude's and Dimitri's. For one, those two can ally with one another. Edie's retard head doesn't want to.

All the endings are bullshit that historians made up because their side won, especially the empire and church

He merged with her too early, Rhea wanted some magical communion event where sothis spoke through the MC

What truth? We're talking about the world in the game, not about real life. There isn't even the hint of a rebellion in any ending on Edelgard's route. Byleth's ending has 2 lines saying he defeated the slitherers, achieved lasting peace and then retired to make sweets with Lysithea or whatever.

Because she's literally an aggressor with ambitions well beyond her ability and does some truly unspeakable things to maintain her flimsy control.
Say what you will about Rhea, at least the kooky koala maintained a degree of order across multiple kingdoms.

That's nice, you go rescue the world without any cost whatsoever.

So why do crest bearers turn into monsters again? Even heroes like that one guy and his monster crest

I keep reading Edelgard as Edgelard.

Who the FUCK though this was a good idea to name a country like this?

user please, let's have a good talk. Why are you so mad that you samefag my posts?
It's like you're frothing at the mouth at this point.
I'm not saying Edie's a badly written character, I'm saying her actions are morally reprehensible even with her reasons and that in other routes, she's admitted she was wrong.

the crests disappear you doublenigger

Why judge the morality of one route based on what happens in the others? Shouldn't each route be judged on its own merits? It's e.g. easy to say that the crest issue would have been solved without Edelgard's intervention, but she doesn't know that, nor do any of the other characters.

Here's a pity (you)

The only thing the world needed rescuing from was the very slithering monsters she helped.

It fits. Bitch turns Bernie into a wickerman

>Even if Byleth didn't (on the off chance), she would've still given it to him/her
>Miss "let's keep the kids fearful and faithful"
>give up control to anyone other than mommy

i get your point
i guess they just dont want a clear villain and would like some kind of thematic closure for the player for going through with her story but it makes zero sense

Dimitri's a fucking psychopath and deserved to die.

>Ashe over Annette

Because we're not judging it from Edelgard's perspective.
We're judging it from the audiences perspective.

Do you mean Miklain? He didn't have a crest

Learn what a samefag is before you post again retard
I replied to two of your posts once not one twice

It's so nice to see you enable child torturers and the ruthless repression of non-crested people user.

Okay fine, for the sake of argument I'll agree with you that Edie is irredeemable.

how then do you justify the fact that all recruitable characters also recognize her actions as being just and follow along with her plan?

Even those that do question her decisions do nothing to stop her or even so much as leave her service. They just fall in line.

Why is no one focusing on the student's lack of critical action?

>There isn't even the hint of a rebellion in any ending on Edelgard's route.
Erm, you do know that for political intrigue in stories, they pull examples from real life?
Again just because they handwaved it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If a bloodthirsty dictator ravaged the lands, there's no way there won't be people against it.

Not that user but the world was already heading towards a better place.

is this another one of those things that are for the greater good

As an audience, what you know is that if Edelgard wins she accomplishes lasting peace, equality, progress, prosperity and innovation. Which is my point. As far as the game is actually written, it's only true message is "winners are right".

She rules the Territory what choice do they have?

>how then do you justify the fact that all recruitable characters also recognize her actions as being just
Not that user but they literally say they only follow her because Byleth is there.

>Again just because they handwaved it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If a bloodthirsty dictator ravaged the lands, there's no way there won't be people against it.

By that logic there's absolutely no way that Byleth or Dimitri would be able to hold onto empire lands without endless revolts.

He means the recruits.

yes of course
without Byleth around Dimitri needs to be removed, as sad as that is

>but they literally say they only follow her because Byleth is there.
All of the BE follow Edelgard in every route except the brainwashed church route where everyone suddenly is like "nooo sensei is right, we must suck his holy dick"

i dislike edelgard too, but if you don't recruit any of the BE's they're still under her.

Byleth is mommy. With or without the milkies.

Then answer my question. Why are you mad? I didn't disparage you over liking Edelgard. Are you mad then that I called her retarded? Do you self insert as her, by any chance? Or do you waifu her up so much that you feel personally insulted?

There is ONE ending that actually mentions a revolt happening, and it's in Claude's route.

So what you're saying is that it's immoral for the all-knowing/spoiled player to choose Edelgard? Fair enough.

Then it's like other user said, they're following Byleth who's following Edie

>crest bearers turn into monsters again
they don't I think. I thought it was something like having the wrong crest stone or having a crest stone without a crest fucks you up although it hasn't been explained as far as I've played.

>It's so nice to see you enable child torturers and the ruthless repression of non-crested people user.

The former is something Edelgard is also guilty of.
The latter was only ever a problem in Edelgard's empire.

Bitch should have strived to fix her own shit before pushing on to fix others.

What the FUCK do I do with this fish fucker? Her stat growths are all over the goddamn place and her initial goals make no goddamn sense to me.

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Fire EmbLAME: PEE houses

Does it really fucking matter? There is no kid units in the first place.

Marianne's/"crest of the beast"

not necessarily
in Dimitri's route you can hear cheering when he walks out after stabbing Edelgard which implies they're happy that someone took out the warmongering emperor who promised peace but has achieved jack

The recruits are following you. They are part of your class and following your guidance. If you go with Edelgard, they will go with you.

You can read their thoughts about it in the secret base before the fight at Garreg Mach

Dancer.

Based.

>MFW doing black eagle route
>making EVERYONE a holy knight
so much for hating the church.......

I made her go priest and she did pretty good, she has a good white magic skill. Ignore all weapons just use magic

Consider that Edelgard holds the Fire Emblem (Crest).

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>Does it really fucking matter?
In the medieval world where bloodline and family names are everything, yes.
Especially when your dad is the head of the church and your mom was a fucking emperor.
Crests being gone don't negate that type of culture.

Make her a dancer when the time comes unless you're doing Edelgard's route.

They could fuck off and join either the Alliance or the Kingdom in the fight against her. They're all equally strong in their own right they could easily get away. Or how about Lysithea who actually joins her after whooping Claude's ass?
No they don't, their dialogue has them all equally supporting Edel in her goals/methods even against their own houses/family/countries. Not one of them even considers going against her. Felix and his father is a perfect example.

Her whole route is a perfect argument of whether or not the ends justify the means.

Pure magic

Hating the church is not hating the goddess or the faith, dumbass. That's the whole point Edelgard is making. The church of Seiros is corrupt, not the faith.

>the empire is full of corrupt nobles
>I better join up with them and let them do whatever the fuck they want because I would rather start a war instead of dealing with my own shit first

Don't worry i'll deal with them after the story is over

Nope I'm just calling you retarded because ypu obviously haven't done the black eagles route also stop projecting

Is Edelgard the biggest rebel without a cause in the game?
>Claude also wants to kill Rhea
>Dimitri doesn't trust the church and will only join them to fight Edelgard
>Rhea herself wants to retire and make Byleth the new Archbishop

>Find someone on her team she can get an A- support with who you often have on the front lines
>Make her their adjutant every map
>Beginning of every turn has a random chance for a free full heal on that character
>Chance only gets better as they build up their support
>Bow gracefully as they thank you for your kind cunny donation

>The former is something Edelgard is also guilty of.
A problem created by Rhea in the first place and that she keeps very hush-hush, she knows about the slitherers but doesn't let anyone find out about them.
>The latter was only ever a problem in Edelgard's empire.
Tell that to Sylvain, Mercedes, Marianne...

Seriously, Fergus is an even worse place than the empire when it comes to Crest extremism.

Dancer, holy knight, dark knight, or gremory

>Class you learn through Church education

The Crest Stone of Fire is in Byleth's chest cavity though, that's how he can make the Sword of the Creator glow

>they all look like anime stereotypes
>they turned out to be much more
di....did we finally overcome the awakening curse FE bros?

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user, regardless of what happened in the end, what she did was morally reprehensible, because the other 2 also got the same end as her with less of the engineered ambushes, kidnappings, and tragedies.
>ypu
First you're mad then you assume. Calm down and drink a glass of water user.

Characters really do have specific dialogue about how they do support Edelgard. A bunch of them are kinda forced, though. Personally, I think not all characters should have been recruitable to every route.

So she's the game's designated heal slut then?

Yes, exactly.
If you go into her route and do it, fine.
But once you know all the routes, and you're still siding with her, then you have issues.

>Not one of them even considers going against her.
Hmm, I wonder why that is............................

m8 she has no power whatsoever over the Empire
Playing alongside with the slitheres and letting Hubert secretly gathering data on them is the only thing she can do.

>forgetting the part where Edelgard says "fuck the goddess" at the climax of the final battle

My point is that the bad shit happened on every route and the Byleth solo ending on Church route has this shit:

>S0 defeated those who slither in the dark\nand put down the crazed Immaculate One. In the\naftermath of the loss of Fódlan's great leading figures,\nEK00heEL00sheEM00 ascended the throne as the first leader of the\nUnited Kingdom of Fódlan. In EK00hisEL00herEM00 heart lived the\nindelible hope that their efforts would one day yield\nan era in which the people knew true peace and the\nhorrors of war were a hazy memory of the past.

He is literally thankful to Edelgard, Rhea, Dimitri and Claude for who the fuck knows what reason.

>Dimitri: You destroyed everything I cared about

>Edelgard. obsessed, rent free, seething

>start war against church
>start war against slitherers
>Dimitri and Rhea rape you from the front while the slitherers tactical nuke you from the back
great idea, retard

What if the real Fire Emblem; Three houses™ were the friends we killed along the way?

She means Rhea. In Manuela's supports she talks about how she doesn't hate the goddess or even the concept of faith.

Which Black Eagle route is more fulfilling?

Siding with Edelgard or the Church?

She's available on most routes so more or less. She can't learn Psychic though so no long range healing but if you make her your dancer then she can just go full support, especially since she learns Fortify

>My point is that the bad shit happened on every route
Which doesn't address the point I'm saying, that Edelgard is 100% a villain.
>and the Byleth solo ending
Handwaves everything that happened after the final battle.

Part one
White Clo-
*Shink*

"Shut the fuck up old man" *HONK HONK*
>*rides away on a tri-cycle*

B-BYLETH... HELP ME... *COUGH* AHHHHH IT HURTS. BLADE BREAKER? I GOT BROKEN BY THE BLADE HELP.

*Byleth walks like an Egyptian over*
*looks at Jeralt and laughs*

"f-finally some emotions... I-I guess you do love me t-thanks for showing me that smi"

*Byleth grabs his gay little braid, puts his ass to his mouth and lets it rip*

*BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP*

*cough* "OH GOD BYLETH WHAT IN GOD IS THAT? UGH.. IT'S SO PUNGENT WHY

*Kronya rides over, hops off her Tricycle and begins making out with Byleth*

"Byleth-sama, want to fuck on your faggot dad's corpse"

Yes [ ]
Maybe.. [ ]
Tbqh senpai, yes I fucking do [X]

I do wonder, please tell me if you have some insight. Because there's nothing other than bad writing stopping them from defecting to defend their friends or their homeland. Hell they could have even tied it to support.

Can't wait for the updates and DLC content to make all these discussions absolutely pointless. The fucking MAD KING was retconned by spotpass recruitment in Awakening.

>IF YOU'RE EVIL IN A GAME YOU'RE EVIL IN REAL LIFE

Nice logic, cuck.

Why does she attack the Alliance?

Are you braindead

Because she doesn't want them to get in her way. It's easier to kill everyone.

What? Get over her? She was Nintendo's most pushed lord and most normalfags played her route first, there's no getting over anything because she's an integral part of the story.

cringe and bladebroken

If she's the villain than why don't any of the recruitable students treat her as such?

But the game explicitly tells you that the Alliance is left almost completely unscathed in her route.

is she Sephiroth?

Edelgard since Church is like a boring version of Golden Deer

To avoid getting flanked by Claude once she commit with the Kingdom

She doesn't really kill a lot of them and half of the Alliance is already supporting her.

Because she has the trifecta of power, money, and influence user. That's why. Also helps she's charismatic. That's not bad writing.

And what about the part where she tried to assassinate Claude at the very beginning of the game?

She literally says "there's no need for gods", which sure can be taken as "I don't need gods" but then you see her dissolve the fucking church so yeah she hated the goddess.

Because they value their lives

>Why do none of the people who are here for Byleth not speak against the person Byleth clearly sided with?

because all you need is to take over Claude to get an entire country
pretty easy conquest and quite a sweet deal

>that Edelgard is 100% a villain.
Why doesn't her route have a villain ending, then?

>Handwaves everything that happened after the final battle.
There is nothing happening after the final battle other than the S-Rank support and the endings..

What, villains can't have henchmen now?

You turn Rhea into a decent person in her route.
But seteth and flayn are the real sweethearts.

Is this a serious question? If she doesn't pacify the Alliance first and ally herself with the remaining lords not only is she at a disadvantage against the Kingdom/church she leaves herself open to being blindsided by a unified Alliance force. You can't fight a war on two fronts.

user projecting yourself onto others is just wrong

r u

The church route also has ICBMs

She let's the Church come back:

>After the war, Hanneman and Manuela held a grand\nwedding ceremony, to which all of their many students\nwere invited. Later, after the church was transformed and\nrehabilitated under the supervision of the Empire, the\nOfficers Academy finally reopened, with a renewed focus\non accepting students regardless of status and offering\nclasses on a wider variety of practical subjects. Hanneman\nand Manuela returned to work as teachers, almost as if\nnothing had changed, and filled the halls with their banter\nin the way only married couples can.

You mean you literally beat the evil out of her, and she dies in the process unless you romance her.

Whoever Byleth sides with becomes the hero of the story. This shouldn't be a difficult concept to grasp.

AAAAAAAAAAAH I WANNA DRINK MOMMY RHEA MILKIES

>Why doesn't her route have a villain ending, then?
user, every route is a villain ending for her. At this point I want to assume that either you haven't played the game or are trolling me. I'm guessing the latter.

>There is nothing happening after the final battle
Ah yes because the Kingdom and Alliance will just lick her boots when she arrives. I guess nothing happened during the 5 year TS either, using that logic.

>she has to take out the country on the right so it doesn't pincer her when she attacks the country on the left
>the country on the left doesn't pincer her when she attacks the country on the right because...?

And what's stopping them from denouncing byleth as an accomplice of evil? Again, they could have tied this all to support. C they defect, B it's 50/50, A they side with the empire.

You tried

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>user, every route is a villain ending for her.

Edelgard and Lysithea, literally Dio and Frieza:
>After the war, Edelgard and Lysithea threw themselves\ninto the fight against those who slither in the dark.\nThe struggle was long and arduous, but not without its\nbenefits. With careful analysis of ancient techniques,\nthey discovered ways to recover the years of life that had\nbeen stolen from them. Afterwards, the new Adrestian\nemperor and Lysithea, her trusted officer, devoted the\nrest of their lives to Fódlan's rule. For her counsel in\ninstituting class reforms and ensuring the independence of\nthe people, Lysithea came to be known as the Wisdom of\nthe Empire. The pair of talented women ushered Fódlan\ninto a new age of innovation and prosperity.

You should have just been able to dick her down if you had her support by a certain rank regardless of route.

I have no idea, I think it's because she commits much more force on the Kingdom front and does the bulk of the fighting with her special squad. Sensei tactical genius allows her to blitz the Alliance into compliance.

Realistically though, Dimitri would have sent reinforcement in Deirdru and that would have split the Alliance with Edelgard absorbing the pro-empire nobles.

Because at that point they know Byleth isn't someone you wanna be against? Mother fucker has sword of creation and a crest that makes him really hard to kill?

Because they're still reeling from the defeat at the monastary. While the kingdom is ready to go, the church needs time to regroup.

While she could have pressed the advantage in the north again that risks the Alliance turning against her. Better to leave the wounded animal to lick it's wounds and take out the largest threat.

because most of the alliance is loyal to her, you're just invading with a small strike force to get Claude

That doesnt really sound like a church
Just a school

let's be fucking real and admit that evil girls are FUCKING hot and that you do not want to breed Edelgard you are FUCKING homosexual

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Hm. I don't know, she said a few times "muh humanity" and didn't seem to like the idea of a god being in charge in any capacity. The fact that you had to fish out a line from two other character's support epilogue doesn't do much for me. "Under the supervision of the Empire" sounds like another way of saying it's just not the church anymore.
Although, the ending for BE was pretty bad anyway. A lot of loose ends were just magically tied up so maybe that happened here too and there was two different teams who had different characters for Edelgard. I don't know.

And you failed

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>modern fire emblem
>school setting
>MUH RELIGION
>not even any sexy brocon sisters
This game is cringe

And the other side has the crest stones and a fucking goddess/prophet on their side.

I wasn't talking about pairing people up. I was talking more about the 4 main routes.
But the exception isn't the rule.

Literally anything, I have her as a Falcon Knight and have her deleting things with Levin Sword on Hard. Hard difficulty is still made for retards.

Hurry up and get in Bernie. This will protect you from the evil alliance and kingdom when they show up to the battlefield.

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Is this thread still alive?

I just got Catherine, what's a good master class for her? She's good at swords and not much else. Mortal Savant requires mastery of the fewest other skills, but she has a magic weakness. Right now I'm thinking of trying as hard to blitz her with lance and flying and make her a falco knight.

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>people always wanted to join Walhart and Rudolf who were saving the world from great evils through conquest
>now that they have the option to do so with Edel they don't want it

I cant breed here anyway.
She gave me no kids

only played blue lions so far, is black eagles the same pretimeskip? edelgards still flame emperor and declares war on the church?

I still think a harem end would have made this story even better, saving the others through association.

Edelgard is BARREN
B A R R E N

>Be Claude
>Spend most of your life having to deal with everyone being an absolute asshole
>Finally stumble into some authority
>Gain a somewhat loyal cast of misfits to support you
>Most of the alliance ends up supporting Edelgard anyway
>Spend the last of your life having to deal with yet another entitled bitch being an absolute asshole
Gee, it seems that being everyone but Edelgard is suffering.

She's only charismatic if you build her CHA stat. They could have tied loyalty to that too in addition to support.

>reeling from the defeat at the monastary
It'd been 5 years what are you on about?
>Kingdom is ready to go
Exactly? Why didn't they go? Why didn't Edelgard consider this?
I'd believe a line like "oh blitzkreig and it's hard to quickly mobilise forces when slitherers are fucking with the kingdom internally" but it's not really said at all for some reason.
This doesn't answer why the Kingdom doesn't flank.
Not saying it makes no sense but the characters don't even acknowledge the possibility or threat.

Can't fucking breed with two tacos and no beef, yurifag.

Dorothea doesnt learn dark spikes

They're all the same pre-timeskip, unfortunately.

Other than Felix/Lysithea tragic bittersweer romance, which happens in every route you recruit them and pair them up, nothing about the endings in Edelgard's route is anything short of a happy end.

Really!? Oh your the best Edie!

Wouldn't even bother, leave her as a sword master.

When you get the choice to kill or spare Claude, what happens when you kill him? I spared him obviously but what's the point in murdering him?

Yes, but she goes "am i kawaii sensei uguu" post-timeskip so everyone defends her

No, just continue making her a Mortal Savant, her Res will grow that way, and her Avo will naturally grow too. Also, equip her with a Silver Shield or something for guarding.

Or better yet, raise someone else to be a Falco Knight.

There is absolutely no point in doing either.

yes it does, practically all of the empire's forces are prepared to defend against the kingdom, you're just a small detachment sent to snipe the alliance leader

Ive made her a falco knight, literally unhittable.

>nothing about the endings in Edelgard's route is anything short of a happy end.
It's a happy end because they handwave whatever happened after the final battle user. I keep saying this. Total unity won't happen without MORE blood being spilled doing her way.

Because the kingdom is planning and preparing for a defensive battle, this isn't rocket science.

The Kingdom were holed up building their strength, and Edelgard managed to take out the Alliance pretty quickly. The game doesn't provide any hard answers, but you could infer that the Kingdom just didn't have time to react.

Honestly? The Church.

>You don't need to break Flayn's heart.
>You get Seteth, Catherine, and Cyril.
>Rhea's brain gets fixed, purging crazy GLAD YOU COULD MAKE IT UTHER, BURN THIS CITY TO THE GROUND Seiros and leaving only sweet motherly Rhea.
>Fighting against Edelgard actually feels personal, unlike the other two routes where you barely know her and she's just that girl you sometimes talk to from the classroom down the hall. Here, you got to spend two dozen hours with her, train her, support her, and grow to love her before she betrays you and rips your heart out. Dimitri isn't in this route because you're Dimitri in this route.
>You get to save the largest number of students and teachers
>The Church as an organization is fixed and reformed, instead of ending, allowing Fodlin to have the spiritual guidance it deserves without the corruption.
>You get to slap that fuck Hubert around after he threatens to kill you in his C support.
>The BEagles joining up with you against Edelgard, as well as their reasonings for doing so, and everything they've been doing during the time skip, are much more in line with all of their characters than them joining Edelgard in battle. Hell, it doesn't make sense for any of them to join her in any route. Especially when they'd already given her a number of generic who gives a shit generals, while Edelgard just doing horrible things to her classmates like strip Ferdinand of all his family power and use him as a puppet, OR TURN BERNIE INTO FUCKING BAIT, THROWING HER LIFE AWAY TO TRIGGER SOME TRAP. YOU DON'T FUCKING DO THAT YOU FUCKING CUNT I SWEAR TO GO I WILL VIVISECT THIS FUCKING WHORE ON EVERY GOD DAMN ROUTE FROM NOW ON. I WILL NEVER PLAY HER SHIT ROUTE BECAUSE THEN I CAN'T KILL HER FOR DOING SOMETHING SO DESPICABLE TO MY CINNAMON BUN

The only true and genuine downsides of Church route are Dimitri dying off camera, and not having Wamuu.

>Mercedes
She’s from a house in the empire. She ran away TO the kingdom after house Bartels (empire house) started treating her mother and her like trash

>Slyvain
When you learn more about his background you find out the situation isn’t black and white. His family’s land borders a hostile nation and they rely on the crest to defend themselves. Miklan was also a resentful asshole that tried to kill Sylvain multiple times after he was declared the heir. Eventually his family disowned him completely

>Marianne
I don’t know much about her. Her ending makes it seem like her father treats her well, but her crest is considered “cursed”, so people despise her which is why she’s depressed. She’s also in the alliance

Whoever you side with becomes the hero and the others are the villains. This is true for literally every fucking route which is why the Lords almost universally die in any route that isn't their own.

This is a fucking Nintendo game, it's not complicated.

>n-no she had to ally with slytherin!
>claude wipes out slithers as soon as he finds out they exist
Umm... Edelkeks?

It sounds a little convenient that it's a "small force" that's strong enough to actually cut through the Alliance but not a sizeable amount of the army's strength to even consider you're leaving yourself weaker on another side.
Again, it just seems like something that would be mentioned at least in passing "the Kingdom won't attack because we have plenty of forces left on the front". That's all.

Nigga she doesn't need Dark Spikes when she can fucking kill the victory condition from half way across the map. Sometimes on the first fucking turn.

Claude has 1 million IQ, Edel has 10 and Hubert has 100 while suffering a -50 IQ penalty for lusty after Edel.

Funny, the thing about setting places of habitation on fire

>dont do that, dont turn the villages into mindless zombies, dont torch the town, I disagree
>are you going to stop me?
>nah ill just stand over there and watch

Like it or not, that's not what happens according to the epilogue. You've already got plenty to bash Edelgard for in the other routes, there's no need to push your headcanon on top of it all. Get a grip on your hateboner, mate.

Funny thing is Ferdinand, despite having maybe the best reason to go against her, is harder to recruit on other routes because his B support is locked until post time skip.

>mute self insert keeps her sane
That means she's shittily written.

>strip Ferdinand of all his family power
Ferdinand's father deserved it.

if you talk to the mooks in the monastery every month, they do mention it, and the only reason you're able to cut a path to Claude is because a lot of the border alliance lords are already loyal to Edelgard

That's true for all of the Lords in this game

What she did to bernie really was disgusting
>be a recluse
>start opening up
>start trusting people again.
>follow edelgard because I beleive her.
>hold this position bernie it will keep you safe and keep a strategic advantage.
>burns her alive.
Jesus.

we're discussing the merits of Edelgard being the hero in her own fucking route man
there's no way all the shit she did was justified by her somehow creating a single-ruler utopia and killing the evil shadow wizard clan after the fucking game is over

but.....shes muh qween!

Not really. Eldegard is a Nobunaga-type of character that reforms society and unites the land. Even when she fails she plants the seeds to success as seen in Dmitri and Claude's routes.

I do understand why it works. I literally just said it's weird no one mentions it. If you say NPCs do then that's fine I guess but I meant an actual main character. It's not a dealbreaker, just said it was weird.

And? None of that removes the fact crest elitism hurt their lives plenty. Removing reliance on them would give people more chance to flourish instead of being reduced to bandits.

No, Hubert gives him a map to their base, the one the Church of Seiros couldn't discover in CENTURIES, that he easily found after they used their nukes.

Wow, obsessed much sweaty?

>put the recluse in the forward most position
I found that hilarious

But it was, sorry that's the objective truth.

Do Adjutants gain support?

They weren't fighting against the entirety of the alliance, only a few choice houses that opposed them. You're forgetting that half of the alliance supported the Empire too. It's mentioned plenty of times that their goal is to solidify the support of the remaining unaligned Alliances houses before turning their full force on the Kingdom.

She only burns it once she's dead

Claude is a gary stu who robbed Beagles of their climax.
Fitting since he's a shitskin.

Yes

>wtf dude why did you kill my entire family and murder millions
>umm, stop being so obsessed sweaty. seething lmao
The fuck did she mean by this?

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It's entirely justified if you believe the ends justify the means. It's a philosophical debate with no real right or wrong answer.

Tell that to Dimitri

To the person they're assigned to or nearby units only?

Claude has had it easy compared to every other character. He actually has a loving family and doesn't have any major psychoses or hangups.

Good to see that Yea Forums has finally agreed that Edelgard was right.

That she didn't kill his family, actually.

She's right but that doesn't justify her actions if you don't side with the bitch

>kills your dad
>bitches you out for being sad and pushes you into pursuing the killer
>reveals she was the flame emperor all along
>"I don't suppose you will join me?"
What a dumb cunt. I don't even like the church I just want Edelgard dead.

She's trying to do her job and bitchboy comes with sentimental bullcrap and blames her for things she didn't do, she ain't got time for this bullshit.

>BE are the villains
Spotted the brainlet smelly fujoshi.

The fact that it was set up to do that at all means she fully intended for the enemy to storm that location.
She three Bernie out there as bait to die, and had the audacity to call it a "Sacrifice".

>kills your dad
Nah.

>Yea Forums has agreed
w____ d_ y__ t____ w_ a__?

Does anyone have the image of Dimitri as Johnny Silverhand?

So what happened to her "I beleive we can talk it out" bullshit?

Anyone would turn insane if you lose battles and allies left and right. The MC's presence literally prevent all of those so I'd say it's pretty logical.

How would you take down this autistic demigod of war and tactics?

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Claude seems fine

Dimitri had his chance

Then its a badly written route. Speaking purely fictionally, a character who's actions are entirely abhorrent through the entire play but is redeemed in five minutes by the narrator after the curtains close is just a shitty character
The reason people like Dimitri is because he is developed through his entire route and he is redeemed in the end. Edelgard just turns the world upside down and we're told instead of shown that it worked out in the end

Go back in time and cuck jeralt

>entirely abhorrent
There isn't really any such thing in her route.
Yeah some good people die, but that is to be expected.

Dimitri's a fucking tard in every route but his own, just like every other character

>Rids humanity of the crest system ending racism
>Reforms the political system outing all the corrupt nobles ending classism and opening the country to fair capitalism
>Purges the illumaniti from Fodlan, ending a centuries long conspiracy
>Unites the continent under one banner ending potential conflict

Whether or not you like her she quite literally saved the entire continent.

I think nearby units as well

Edelgard isn't "abhorrent" in her route though. Morally ambiguous, maybe, but she's not a monster and the game does a good job of showing you her perspective on it all.

Only like 0.00001% of the population has crests, it's literally non issue

>>Unites the continent under one banner ending potential conflict
>conquering good. unga bunga. crests bad.

She really doesn't do anything "controversial" post-timeskip in her route. It's like the Flame Emperor was replaced with blushy Emperor.

Edelgard is a horrible person. She's probably one of the most irredeemable FE villains ever. Unless she's different in her path I don't why people like her.

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Good point.

edelgardfags the biggest cucks on Yea Forums

Claude doesn't give a shit about anything. As soon as the war reaches his territory he quite literally packs up and leaves letting the alliance fend for itself. Dmitri and Edelgard actually have stakes in Fodlan.

Which routes have you actually played?

It seems to me like Edelgard haters haven't even played her route. It's Fates bullshit all over again.

nuFE cucks are such faggots

>>Rids humanity of the crest system ending racism
Not the class system? The crest system? Hanneman was right, giving crests to everyone is a much better alternative than removing it altogether, a problem only the barest minimum of people suffer from.

It seems to me like Edelgard apologists haven't even played any other route. It's Fates bullshit all over again.

It's not a hateboner user. I don't hate Edelgard at all. I don't know what gave you that impression.
>Like it or not, that's not what happens according to the epilogue.
Again, I keep saying it, the same happens in the other routes with less bloodshed.

That's not what part 1 show you.

She did end the class system though. Ferdinand is still butthurt about it.

>commenting on a route you clearly haven't played