MUH VOICE

If he endorses it, or it looks like he was commissioned to say what he did in that context, it would reflect badly on him - so badly that companies will deliberately not hire him for this stuff. He often responds to fan requests to say shit for fun, but the moment people use that as a promotional materials for things, they cross a line and jeopardize the fun for everyone else.

Ah, so 'consulting' = royalties in your minds.
If Hayter himself was a lawyer or somesuch, you'd have a point. But I'm pretty sure that all he was getting at was, "Hey, a heads up would have been nice, but since you guys were snarky hur-durr assholes about it, I can be one right back."
Kind of like most everyone here on Yea Forums is, ya know?

do we know if he actually said it or if it was a splice

THAT WAS SOME

I guess he comes off as abrasive but having a big event act like you're part of it without even asking you must already be annoying but when it's for something as retarded as this was it's pretty reasonable for him to be angry that he was dragged into it

In the first post

Why do some people feel the need to sign themselves at the end of a tweet

twitter.com/MarkMan23/status/1108172584548331520?s=20

Not sure about this case but often that means it was actually written by them and not the PR person managing the account

his anger is perfectly justified.

some idiot at EVO stole the voice clip from someone who commissioned it from david.

>twitter.com/RATTATApwns/status/1158435904396001280
>twitter.com/MarkMan23/status/1108172584548331520

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Capitalism sucks

David Hayter is the Brendan Fraser of Yea Forums

Konami could literally sue his ass if they thought he signed off to play snake to promote another company's game, Konami's lawyers probably got on his ass pretty fucking fast honestly

But he’s unironically correct here though. EVO is the biggest videogame tournament on earth and they need to act like it; they can no longer do these little gags and jokes that a smaller tournament could do without getting in trouble. Once you hit the notoriety EVO has, you have to go through proper channels and permissions to use other people’s properties/voices. EVO is a corporate powerhouse that’s still trying to play by the rules of a small local tourney. Here’s hoping they get sued for this so they learn s lesson.

Markman paid for a commission line for Twitch use
It was then ripped for EVO use, and that's where the line was drawn
twitter.com/MarkMan23/status/1108172584548331520

EVO should be more professional than doing these stupid 'jokes'

The man will happily squeeze your hog as long as you talk to him first. He'll even sell you a car.

I'm not sure what EVO expected.

Wizard is getting BTFO from all sides.

I love it.

this, his voice for funny clips got used to promote something he didn't sign up for and that's not really cool

What a shitshow...

>could've just asked Hayter and Konami if it'd be cool to do a bit
>just ignore them like they're not business companies in your field
>shocked when people find your antics stupid

I kinda agree with him

EVO didn't consult Konami or Hayter for this

If anything, Konami can take legal action

Why the fuck would Markman of all people be someone in the position to hire Hayter to reprise the role of Snake? He's some random twitch streamer. Even Aris is more of a celebrity.

Why would fucking irrelevant David Hayter out of all people have PR manager person

As he should be.

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>Konami can take legal action
Considering how Konami is I wouldn't be surprised if they do and I'm shocked EVO at no point considered this.

Konami needs to sue the pants off Evo for this, why do they think they can use other properties like that? Without consultation?

Dumbass, it was just for a twitch notification. That's it.

He still acts and writes stuff pretty regularly, it's not too far fetched

cameo.com/guyversnake

The people who complain are not Tekken fans.

>Evo wants to be respected muh core values etc.
>Pulls shit like this too

>t. Retard who doesn't understand commission work.

Why the fuck wouldn't he? He's a public figure. Someone needs to manage his PR. He probably has an agent like literally every other voice actor.

They fucked up royally, as Markman reaction implied ("ARIS IT WAS JUST SOMETHING FOR THOSE WHO ARE HERE PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT IT") it wasn't supposed to happen on-stream, someone most likely jumped the gun.

Nintendo would be suing for this

God Imagine the shit storm if they used a Nintendo franchise to do something like this

Hayter also has to cover his own ass so that Konami doesn't think he was using their character to promote another company's game or event.

What a faggot. Just like he cried for years over not getting in V.

>k-kojima d-didnt even call me!!! :[[

I assume he's covering his butt in case Konami gets mad.

Fucking american boomers who act like they're 50 years old teenagers...

Fuck off Commie, you get the bullet too.

Complain about what, specifically? Everybody's fucking pissed at EVO, Tekken fans or not.

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>t. Wiz deflecting hard after getting ass rammed by everyone
lmao get sued faggot

naa only twitter fags are complaining about this snake shit

Zafina > Snake

I'd imagine they would be the most upset since they falsely marketed something I'm sure many people wanted just to pull the rug under them.

Konami, Kojima and Hayter should sue EVO and take it down permanently for such a reckless disregard for copyright for a “joke”

At least it would be consolation prize for getting rid of Melee for no reason

>all the konami dicksuckers ITT
They actually have marketers on Yea Forums

Kill yourselves dumb faggots

Read the thread, jackass.

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Tekken is garbage
Smash is the only reason to watch evo tbqh

Stay seething, Commie

marketing what, exactly? Bomberman?

Hayter entered a contract that doesn't let him use his Snake voice to promote products without Konami's permission. If he didn't publicly disavow it, he could end up getting sued.
Fair, next.

Exactly. Is Hayter that much of a homeless bum he needs to resort to petty voice overs for no name streamers?

more like mr retard

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Obviously not true.
Melee got removed so other games can enjoy the spotlight.
>but Melee and Ultimate are 2 different ga-
Yeah, so are SFIV and SFV. Don't see the both of them at EVO, do ya? Cope harder and support your community, preferably not like a pussy.

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I hope this is some 4D chess but probably not

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That makes no sense. There was an audience of a few thousand, they really thought NO ONE had a phone and would be recording and spread the clip elsewhere (as they literally did

>now you see why konami dropped him
>Konami
Kojima dropped him. He's working with Konami on something.

>konami
you mean kojima.

konami still employs him.

Voice actors don't make a ton of money at all, and you can usually get them to record stuff for you at conventions. My friend got Steve Blum to do his voicemail in Spike Spiegel's voice. They're usually harmless and effortless for a decent fistful of cash.

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Fuck EVO for making me think Snake was getting in, honestly.

>They play a clip of Goku saying “Wow, there’s a lot of strong fighters here!” during Smash Ultimate grand finals “as a joke”

Could you imagine the absolute shitstorm

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>BTFO from all sides
What else happened?

>Toei on their ass
>Nintendo on their ass
>an army of Smash autists on their ass
>an army of shrek/dragon ball/minecraft memers on their ass

>LOL sue EVO

Not happening, Harada has friends in Konami.
Namco and Konami know each other very well.

>but what if hayter su---
LOL

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Is there a clip of this segment?

>birdbrain posting

>steal a commissioned voice clip to mislead everyone into thinking a character is joining one of the biggest fighting games ever
>act surprised when everyone is upset that you not only misled everyone, but also stole from another company to do it

His agent at minimum would have a PR guy in his employ to work on multiple people's accounts all at once.
It's expected that you have an active face on multimedia at the moment.

>Namco and Konami know each other very well.

What does that have to do with them suing EVO (since EVO is the one that fucked up, not Namco or Konami)? Hell they could join up and both fuck EVO up. You must be retarded and not understand the situation.

shitposting in real life

I can't be the only one who see's this as a grossly overblown event.
People need to chill out and stop taking everything so seriously.

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>Namco and Konami
>Sue evo
lmao americans are dumb

It's just fun to bask in the suffering of others.

EVO needs to be punished for getting rid of melee, simply as that.

you're not wrong
but that's how it goes now

>Put our voice clip of you saying something, not tied to any corporate product or agenda, literally just you saying words independently of your own volition
>Surprised when others use the clip

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>EVO gets cancelled forever because Konami sued the ass out of them and stole all its money
>only because a retarded organizer overestimated the concept of fair use

I would laugh so hard at this.

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Have a shower

Some random posting a clip of it =/= EVO broadcasting it. Despite the flack they got from Hayter because "muh voice", they could claim that they meant no infringement since they didn't broadcast it themselves. Same thing with CEO allowing players to use licensed songs for top 8 entrances but muting the songs on stream to avoid copyright issues.

Gee, it's almost like his voice is his product and people using it without his permission is like theft, not to mention that it makes it look like he endorses and promotes products that he doesn't. It's not like people pay him to do voice work for things like that right?

I can smell you through my screen

twitch.tv/evo/clip/BraveSingleMeerkatMingLee?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

Are you implying unions are a bad thing, you corporate bootlicker? Wanting to get paid for work you perform might be outside your realm of understanding, being a NEET.

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I heard it and saw it on stream, but it wasn't a direct feed.

does he still even own the rights to snakes voice. he didn't seem to have a problem with it before

initiate bathing

He can actually get into legal trouble over promoting Snake in other IPs

>meant no infringement since they didn't broadcast it themselves

You realize this means nothing right? Even if not a single second of EVO was streamed, they still took in money for the event and used another company’s property without getting authorization. Konami probably doesn’t care enough to sue, but they COULD if they really wanted to, and they’d win, easily.

It's sort of a legal precedent issue. If Hayter allows anyone to just freely use his voice from a 2nd party to promote other products or services that opens legal grounds to cancel royalties from voice over roles from other areas because it could then be argued that the voice they used was sourced from another 2nd party. This is the weird shit you get with copyrights and licenses where you are actually forced to file lawsuits against someone even if they meant no ill-will in doing so just so someone else down the road later doesn't use your inaction of filing a lawsuit to protect a trademark or work of yours to try and profit from said trademark or work. Usually in most cases this just gets settled for some amiable agreement behind the scenes but you just need it on paper that says "we defended this trademark/work".

As I said, they fucked up. The stream wasn't showing the screen but you could crearly hear the Codec sound.

EVO using the clip doesn’t mean that the money he got paid to say it magically vanished from his bank account. What you bitching for?

lmao Aris keeps trying to ask about and it MM's all "just be cool don't worry, shhh"

Hes a fucking shitty voice actor who thinks he is a character because hes a delusional bottom shelf E-list celebrity. His voice sucks and hes a fucking crybaby. Do something else.

Harada doesn't own EVO, bro. It won't hurt him if it dies.

Later he adressed it more directly, like "HEY MARK WAS THAT SNAKE?" and Markman was like "Aris please shut the fuck up it was meant only for people in attendance we don't want no trouble"

consult him???? Konami owns his oice not him

Like they would probably win if they got an impersonator or something but the fact the had the balls to get Hayter's actual voice with no permission means that is a very possible consequence.

Honestly, if EVO did get sued I wouldn't be surprised if they just threw the production company under the bus after all the fuck ups they made over the weekend.

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Can't escape the cholesterol in your voice, Wizard, you fatass.

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b-but he is snake!!!

I hate this dumb argument, "oh it wasnt Konami, it was Kojima".
Konami was Kojima. Kojima was VP.

>Unions in blue collar jobs
Understandable, and more often than not a necessity
>Unions in white collar jobs
Entitled whiny bitches who consistently want more than what's owed to them and form little bitch mobs to have their demands met. The voice actor union strike was an embarrassing display

He does do something else. He writes movies

>Multi-Billion Dollar event uses a Multi-Billion Dollar company's asset without their permission
>Not being surprised

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Which is exactly why he needs to show publicly that he's not selling the voice they own to others without their permission.

>still seething he got dropped as snake
sorry "DH" you are just a bad actor

I was a part time bit-part actor for 3 years, and even I had a PR manager provided to me by the SAG.
Why the fuck wouldn't one of the most prolific and recognizable video game voice actors have one?

>Multi-Billion Dollar event

that seems highly unlikely to me

>evo
>multi-billion dollar event
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA

Paying for voice clips on cameo doesn't mean you get to use them for promotional purposes retard. This dudes job is to literally voice shit for companies and businesses for money. When people take his voice and use it to promote a game that he isn't affiliated with, and as a character who he doesn't even play anymore, it looks bad for him. If you can't understand try hitting your head again and seeing if that puts you back to normal

>Posts almost exactly 2 minutes apart
Samefag

Watch markman not be invited back next EVO because of this. Ultimately it came from the clip he commissioned and he said he knew about this "joke".

You can't have it both ways, either accept that unions work to give everyone paying dues a fair wage, or go full retard and claim unions are only for entitled bitches. Unions stage strikes for better wages and better working conditions all the time. Just because one time it happened in a medium you consume is irrelevant.

Hayter may be the most annoying bitch in the industry. He isn't shit without Kojima and his games.

>Multi-Billion Dollar event
user... c'mon. C'mon.

For one, it is his voice. Secondly, he understands this fake announcement pissed off a lot of people. He's understandably upset. And by the way, if you're an artist you need to protect your material. Artists who let their material be used Willy Nilly are cucks who will never make it.

Nigga the prize pool of the top 25 games is ~870 Million dollars, and that's just money going towards the players, you have to pay money for staff, the event hall, catering, etc.

Oops, meant to include

>most prolific

he's famous for exactly one voice. If you put a gun to someone's head most people could not name a single other game he did a voice for

That seems highly reductive, and this is implying that only blue-collar workers can be taken advantage of in a workplace. Very dumb.

>he's famous for exactly one voice.
So is Patrick Warburton.

>your post

I wish the underage wouldn’t post here

Jedi Knight male and Zangetsu.

>White collar work and blue collar work is the same thing

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>Multi-billion dollar event
I'm glad they were able to serve water to people at the event this year

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His voice is his job. He has a right to be pissed.

>870 Million dollars

What the fuck are you talking about? The total prize pool is $244,289.40

Not even golf and F1 combined have such a massive prize pool lol

>No fun allowed
Stay seething agdq trannies

UNIONS CASTRATED WESTERN INDUSTRY AND NOW THANKS TO YOU RETARDS CHINA IS RUNNING THE SHOW WHILE DUMPING PLASTIC INTO THE OCEAN AND BURNING COAL

>Capcom big """"""""""""LEAK""""""""""
>EVO """"""joking"""""" about snake being on TEKKEN
>KATSUHIRO "DON'T EXPECT BIG ANNOUNCEMENTS IN EVO" HARADA
>JoEWy "20000 ADS" CUELLAR ALLOWING THIS JOKE WITHOUT ASKING HARADA OR KONAMI

>Multi-Billion dollar event

lol

Labor is labor you neet faggot

Even if you combine all 23 editions of EVO the total prize pool doesn't exceed 2 million

>thinking only one category of workers deserves a fair wage

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You should at least tell the dude you're using a voice line of his at EVO.

>Nigga the prize pool of the top 25 games is ~870 Million dollars
Um, fucking source? Because that's complete bullshit from what I can see
esportsearnings.com/events/7085-evo-2019

>Usually in most cases this just gets settled for some amiable agreement behind the scenes
That's a cute way of saying 'for millions of dollars.' No corporation misses a chance to ruin someone's life even if they won't actually get any money out of it.

[citation needed]

Konami owns the character, not the voice. Hayter can use the voice all he likes as long as he's not specifically playing Solid Snake with that same voice. Outside of that what he can and can't do with the Solid Snake voice would be determined in the specific case the voice the context was used and whether or not he was actually trying to play Solid Snake with that same voice somewhere else. If he used it to for a voice mail for some fan it's not an issue, if he used it in a commercial context for some other products or services that might be an issue. I mean Steven Blum just sounds like Wolverine to me no matter what he does so if he's trying to do a radio bit where he's promoting potatos it would just sound like Wolverine selling potatos to me but it would be fine to Marvel probably since he's not actually playing Wolverine in this instance.

kek

Wiz probably didn't even know about it. Not defending the guy but with as much shit as the ringmaster of EVO has to deal with it'd be easy for one of the Tekken guys to sneak this in under the radar. It's like getting mad at the mayor for the cop stealing an extra donut. A lot of stuff flies under the radar of the higher ups when it's crunch time.

So why does that mean one side should be exploited and the other not
You dumb fag

David you haven't written a good movie in over a decade and your embarrassingly bad werewolf movie practically killed your career.

>top 25 games is ~870 Million dollars

Where the fuck did you get this number and how is it so ridiculously wrong? Are you mentally ill?

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Oh I'm so sorry you feel underpaid and underappreciated at your comfy desk job with minimal supervision. Life must be hard for you. Please, link me your paypal so I can give you a little something to put towards your union dues.

>being so pathetic you have to band together to force people to believe you're more valuable than you really are

>Wiz probably didn't even know about it.
lmao

t. corporate shill poster

>china is running the show
By enslaving their workers with low pay, stupidly high work hours jobs. I'll take unions any day of the year over that.

Prizes didn't even equal a quarter of a million dollars, moron

Trying to deflect honest wages as whining again? How sad for you.

I'm a landscaper, retard. I work eleven hour days

>dude HARADA is SOOO "PISSED"
>and ONO is very "SAD" cuz of the "LEAK"

>t. no-skill no-value gutter rat

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do you think he would do it for free?

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>Nigga the prize pool of the top 25 games is ~870 Million dollars

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Pretty much this
Also fun fact most food from China is fucking terrible. Their fish farms basically just feed those fish their own shit

>I expect daddy warbuxx to pay me exactly what I'm worth!
How's that working for you?

Those labors like mining, construction, and manufacturing are literal back-breaking, dangerous work where you run the real risk of getting maimed and/or killed in an accident.

Bad news homie. American farm fisheries do the exact same thing

>Construction
>Back breaking
You know that they have machines to do most of the labor, right? You basically wanna pay these people extra because they sweat.
What, do you think miners actually use pickaxes nowadays?

it's stupid but if he wasn't a voice slut that is desperate for money then this wouldn't have happened

Dunce

You really think US workers were in china-level working conditions in the 1950s and before? Read a book and understand that national socialism is the answer.

And? Who the fuck are you to decide which jobs are allowed to have unions and which aren't?

You have never been on a construction site. You have no clue what the fuck you're talking about

>American farm fisheries do the exact same thing
Yeah, no they don't. I've actually worked on 2 fishing farms as well, both for salmon. I mean some MIGHT do so, but we have actual inspections and standards. China in a lot of cases literally doesn't. For example, NEVER buy Chinese garlic.

My guy, while I agree with you that those risks do not exist on an office environment, there are plenty of practices from exploitative bosses that happen in office work that, if unchecked, can fuck the workers royally.

>That's a cute way of saying 'for millions of dollars.' No corporation misses a chance to ruin someone's life even if they won't actually get any money out of it.
You misunderstand greatly how these things work. Lot of big name companies already have these law firms on a retainer so they're being paid regardless, sometimes they just come in, draw up the paperwork sit down and negotiate and then just try and solve things without it getting more expensive so they just reach an agreement in meetings to work things out between the parties involved especially when the parties are also other big companies or persons too, like literally half the companies in the world are suing the other half of companies in the world mostly for patent issues and royalties "in name" but it's most like they're trying to solve some discrepancies. This is most likely the premise that happened with Bethesda and Notch with the "Scrolls" name. Zenimax has to file suit so it's on record that they're actively protecting the Elder Scrolls name so some company possibly in the future doesn't make a game called "The Older Scrolls" and then tries to use the "Scrolls" name from Notch's game as legal precedent of Bethesda failing to protect their named IP. So things between Zenimax/Beth were settled with Notch behind closed doors for some agreement, what that agreement was I couldn't say.

Also if it involved just some random person it doesn't actually look good for them to try and sue the shit out of some random dude who made an innocent error in naming since it just looks like bullying by the big guy to the little guy.

I wonder who is sadder, hayter still clinging to snake voice or tf2 scout guy clinging to it

I have, and my dad works to build bridges. You basically wanna pay these people extra because they sweat.
Also how about jobs like pilots, where the guy's risking his life technically?

>NEVER buy Chinese garlic

W-why not?

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I'd tell you to read a book but apparently you can't even read my post correctly.

If you have ever eaten American catfish, it was fed it's own shit. Your work in 2 fisheries does not come close to representing the industry

I bet the dude honestly thinks doctors should be paid minimum wage just because they work in an air-conditioned building

>support games you don't like
No dumbass. SFV sucks dick.

user
There's no garlic in China.

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you never worked a hard day's work in your life

Yes pilots deserve a union too. What point are you making?

boredomtherapy.com/american-garlic-vs-chinese-garlic/
They pretty much bleach a lot of it because it's grown in awful conditions

Yeah totally unions fault and not blatant corporate mismanagement and complacency.

you are the one who will be getting the bullet class cuck faggot

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Yes, and those machines (esp. the heavy ones like cranes and bulldozers) require special training to operate and are still prone to accidents that can main and/or kill people.

returntonow.net/2018/03/28/how-to-avoid-toxic-garlic-from-china/

Yeah, looking at the way chinese have to live, I'm glad unions stopped that then.

can you list them I was working this weekend and only watched grand finals

>i have, and my dad works to build bridges
I doubt it, you don't know the first thing about work safety if you can't see how working those jobs can put your body at risk, and if your dad was worth two shits he'd beat the shit out of you for being such a self-centered bitch.

Hayter is such a fucking manchild. His reaction to the whole MGS5 situation was the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen.

Pilots are white-collar though, user. That's against your narrative.
>If you have ever eaten American catfish, it was fed it's own shit.
Catfish are bottom-feeders, user. Even regular lake-caught catfish have eaten shit.
>Your work in 2 fisheries does not come close to representing the industry
Ok but it does give me an idea of how fisheries work. I don't at all believe some guy who swears that China and America are exactly the same in their fisheries, just trust me.

>m-muh labor
if you're retarded enough not to snag an office job that requires no skill you deserve what you get

>Implying Kojima wasn't retarded for spending half the budget of his game on a washed up drunk Canadian TV actor doing 20 lines of dialogue.

What narrative are you referring to? I'm pro union in all cases you stupid fag

It's quite sad seeing him on things like fiver trying to get a job doing custom voice acting work too.

>The Racist Criminal "Justice" System
Easy to say it's racist when there's zero showing (in that image) to why they're in there.

I only watched grand finales and abit of pools, but the Snake thing and the Infexious thing were the big ones I saw. Otherwise it was just alot of little things, like fucking up the overlays or forgetting them outright, or shit not going off at the right time.

A lot of jobs (even white-collar) one have machinery that can kill people in that case. What about drafters, architects, managers and engineers? They al use that equipment as well and they're paid more than a regular blue-collar worker.
You're at risk technically, but this isn't like building bridges in the 60's, or making an underwater skyscraper user. Shit is way, way safer than it used to be.

>Yeah, so are SFIV and SFV. Don't see the both of them at EVO, do ya?
I dont see how this is an argument
If both games have different communitys then they should both be there
The thing is most SF4 players are playing 5 now so there would be a lot of over lap

honestly fuck hayter and fuck EVO
you champion game faggots need a step down from the pedestal and david hasn't nearly been harassed enough for that bullshit unionizing meme he got a bunch of others wrapped up in.

honestly it was for the best though.

Yes, unions are shit for lazy retards to abuse the system in the same way they shit on LE CORPORATIONS for doing

Then why the fuck were you arguing with me like you weren't you dumb nigger

Janny meme aside he probably would.

Retards like this are why unions are needed. If the "retards" decided they were sick of the shit work conditions you provided for them and decided to go on strike, you'd most likely be eating your own shit on the street in a week because your high and mighty ass live off of the work of them.

thing is that doesn't even clarify what kind of whites. white is a much broader group than hispanic or black in the US. there's micks like me, slavs, brits, total mutts, etcetera. jews are almost a separate race. and there's certainly been racist trends towards certain phenotypes of whites in america

>Ever.
woah bros... david hayter seems pretty hardcore. i wouldn't want to get on his bad side tbqh............

god i love Yea Forums
now you two can kiss

keifer wasn't the problem. he sounded alright in the lines he did have. the problem is the direction.

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then just fire them
they won't be eating either

What happened here exactly?

>shit is way, way safer than it used to be
Yes, but there are still dangers that need to be taken into account, thus the need for workers' rights. In my opinion, it's stupid to say that "unions aren't needed", but there needs to be a limit to the power of unions, a balance between unions and bosses/executives. The issue, though, is that is impossible because both sides will always want to be on top, thus the struggle never ends.

Wrong name on the screen lol.

Hayter's gonna hate

God people need to LIGHTEN THE HELL UP. Nothing but a bunch of urethra fuckers in gaming now days. Grow a backbone.

Infexious got knocked out earlier in the finals, he wasn't even in the match to determine the champion.

They're generally paid more for their expertise (and to pay off their exorbitant student loans). Designing a building that doesn't fall in on itself and on budget or flying a pressurized tin can high in the air and land it in one piece ain't an easy job for the typical gamer on this board.

>Yes, but there are still dangers that need to be taken into account, thus the need for workers' rights.
Right, just like there's dangers in literally every workplace. Insisting that one group deserves it more than another is silly, because even in your examples there the amount of dangers varies wildly. Plus there are white-collar jobs that also endanger lives and all that, and the fact that automation and assembly-line jobs are becoming more white-collar.
>The issue, though, is that is impossible because both sides will always want to be on top, thus the struggle never ends.
Well I think the answer very much isn't "well just fuck white-collar" in that instance. Also,
>but there needs to be a limit to the power of unions
I think there needs to be far more of a limit on the power of corporations

>urethra fuckers

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>Kojimadrones autistically shit on Hayter for no reason
Are they genuinely retarded?

Worked well for the french royalty.

kojimafags seem to forget that V was a horrible fucking game

I'm surprised you can even sell your voice work non-commercially if it's the company's character

okay I used to defend David, thought he was wronged and based, but this is just a new low.

My guy, you're mixing up who you're talking to because of anonimity, I'm in favor of unions for all non-independent jobs.
>I think there needs to be far more of a limit on the power of corporations
I agree, but then the new issue is that corporations start to pull out because they aren't on top anymore, it's a neverending tug-of-war to be honest. I agree with you the answer isn't "fuck white-collar" (or any workers for that matter), but I sure as hell don't know the answer either.

Ok NEET

that's because konami undermined kojima's genius

Voice acting isn't a really regulated job, and companies would like it to stay that way so they can't have unions, for example. It's pretty much "now that you've already recorded your lines and the game is released, do whatever, will make money regardless", and there's not much the VA can do if they want to take their voice out of the product later either.

He owns his voice and as an artist you have to protect that shit. Unintentional use of his voice can have severe repercussions for a voice actor's career. Xander Mobus can't use his smash voice to say characters name for example, as people will use it to spread misinformation and potentially damage smash marketing.

>give him unlimited money and scope
>he dicks around making an engine and buying licenses to 80s music
>uses engine to make empty barren open world
cool i guess

What's yours nigger?

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He's right, but holy shit he's a massive faggot about it.
Desperate manchild clinging onto his one claim to fame.

His voice is pretty much ruined regardless. Once he started sperging out on twitter and do Ford commercials leeching off of MGS1's legacy, I just can't hear Snake the same. It's like the universe decided to pick the worst possible way to kill this franchise.

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Don't use me or my voice ever again

>Be voice actor
>Voice is how you make money
>Your intellectual property is being used without you

You have to be a total moron not to understand why he would have an issue with a bunch of dumb faggots using him without pay or consultation even if Hayter is a cunt.

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Nobody likes hayter in fact his entire autismo ruined snake for everyone.

It was a fucking stupid idea and the guy responsible for it is acting like a smarmy faggot, I'm glad its blowing up. Don't let your retarded buddies take the reigns of your highly publicized and corporate sponsored event for the sake of your lame ass inside joke.

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they didn't use his voice just someone doing a snake voice impersonation. that is not his.

>another literally who twitter thread
sigh

You gotta say when you're using Canuck bucks, brosef

>hayter is STILL mad about metal gear and death stranding

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is this what mental illness looks like?

death stranding hasn't gone gold yet.. kojima could still give him the call!!

That's what he gets for making capeshit popular again.

Well then fuck his ass.

>had like 5 lines in the game
>come to find out later Sutherland had recorded thousands of lines of dialogue that were never used
I don't have the link anymore but that really pissed me off Kojima is a hack

I think he has the right to do this. It's his voice. He needs to be aware of what it's being used for, and if he is isn't approached first he's not at fault.

Yea Forums seems to think Hayter being a passable Snake (his only voice) way back when makes him absolutely untouchable somehow, despite the fact he does nothing but whine when he either doesn't get his way, or people tell him he's shit. Most of his cinematic knowledge is remembering things in comics or movies, going "that's cool", and offloading actual plot things to someone else

He once had a little meet-and-greet at ECC in Washington, where he no-shit tried to convince everyone that his original plan for X2 was just too ambitious and cool to film, and what we got was just "alright", with his less-than-five-second cameo of Nightcrawler kicking his ass being a reward of sorts for what he still insists to this day was the superior X2. X2 as it is was a Frakenstein script where barely any of Hayter's shit made it in after rewrites. Same shit with Watchmen: a summer comic movie which he thought needed a no-shit Das Boot (Directors Cut) treatment as far as runtime went. He'll also be sure to let you know that "Moore liked it"

What happens when you give Hayter complete creative control instead of using him as mild idea factory or a diet Steve Blum?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolves_(2014_film)

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Isn't this fair use anyway?

It was retarded of Evo to do something like that without even telling Bamco, you set everyone up for disappointment.

Why would it be, there's nothing transformative about it.

>Snake ISN'T in Tekken
Holy shit what a gigantic fucking disappointment. Guess i'm never playing Tekken after all

Why does he sing his own post with his initials?

It's because hes one of the voice actors that will say lines that you want him to say if you ask him on twitter, kind of like how roy's smash bros VA was recorded saying IT'S LIT SENPAI in that voice

He likes these shitposts and saying lines for people, but he has to deny it all for legal reasons because konami can get on his ass if he endorsed the evo stunt

That is his voice that saying a line that a streamer commissioned for his tekken streams.

What's with voice actors behaving like performing seals? Do they really get paid that little?

Some of them actually like interacting with the fans and doing the voice.

Did Konami even give a shit when he started going nuclear around MGSV's launch? Or MGR axing the Snake sword? Hayter will do or say absolutely anything to stay relevant

Then, he was already paid.

>couldn't even get a bowie license
left out the best part

No but it makes great money on the side. Recording a line in a couple of seconds for $50-100 is easy money.

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EVO 2010 had bumper videos of some litterally who faggot doing shitty raps between each game on Sunday. Every time they showed one of these things it was longer than the last. during the fourth or fifth instance of variety show bullshit interrupting our fighting game tournament the Ceasers ballroom collectively lost its mind and started screaming fuck you loud enough for god to hear - then evo staff took the hint and shut that shit off. Street Fighter 4 was the last game that year, Daigo was in the final, after being abused with stupid fucking shit all day nobody had patience for anything. Then Adam Sessler and an interpreter decided they were going to interview Daigo before the Street Fighter 4 final. Hells gate? Open. Adam Sessler out cursed out motherfucked the army of satan then he conducted his interview with Daigo in serene hear a pin drop silence. It was a magical evening. Daigo won.
I forgot what my point was. I really really hate all you little kids pretending to be the FGC. You are homosexuals and also you were born the incorrect year.

o-only $60 for a date with Stefanie-san? How do I do this?

Plenty of other people in the thread have already stated the problems that can arise for hayter because of evo using it in this context.

>implying you wouldn't shitpost if you were a voice actor
>twitter.com/raychase/status/1100294541750358016?lang=en
Anyone have the one with Hayter talking about being too thicc to sneak around?

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Washed-up and didn´t get paid the money he desperately needs

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this guy has always been a salty melodramatic fag

I fucking hate socialism and communism, but this shit right here makes me wonder how we're ever going to fix this economy without doing something drastic.

You pay $60

>I'm not a commie BUT
everytime
shut it you pinko retard

>EVO PIRATED DAVID HAYTER VOICE
wow

for what? your answering machine?

Both sides were fucking assholes. Imagine being David Hayter and suddenly getting dropped from a role you've had for 20 years, just to give way to Kojima's westernboo complex go final form. I disagree with this temper tantrum, but I would have probably been angry too to be quit honest.

Hayter is an asshole because he threw a fucking tantrum on Twitter over it like a manchild, and him and his fuck buddy the drunkard Jade Raymond basically treated Kiefer like shit at the video game awards. Kiefer was nothing but a class act as soon he started voicing him, to the fans, to the community. But Jade and Hayter ousted themselves as crony twats.

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You literally can't without a revolution that overthrows the economic system. The people at the top are too powerful and have kicked the ladder down to make sure nobody rises to their level.
Getting your communist revolution is basically the clownworld solution at this point.

That, or voice messages for people who really like the character.

Mozer?

This. Hayter had the right to be pissed, but there's no reason to treat Kiefer like shit over it. He's not the one who made the call, he was probably thinking "Hey cool, a job."

Hayter had no right to be pissed, he wasn't voicing snake in V. BB and Venom were always voiced by different people even in 4 it was like this.

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holy shit shut up about melee no one on this board even plays it

and then it was used without his permission for something different you clod

It would be nice if those faggots rioting on the streets would actually do something other than assaulting random bystanders and knocking over trashcans. I keep seeing LGBT and SJW shit associated with the likes of ANTIFA. I bet most of them don't actually give a single fuck about economic issues. Hell, many of them are probably just neets and don't even have any real values, like these latest shooters fighting for white supremacy. They're just nihilistis at the core wanting to commit violence because of extreme butthurt over their shitty lives. They pick up these dead ideologies out of desperation to feel like they're part of something greater than them.

some of them do. Others get paid exorbitant amounts. Being a bit role must suck dick. No job security, shit pay, no fanbase to suck your dick...

>Put up the wrong player's name as champion of SFV (he wasn't even in the grand finals)
>Play the Snake clip while they were still broadcasting
>Play choppy videos for Soul Calibur's DLC trailers (Harada then goes on stage and says it was Evolution's fault)
Whoever was producing this shitshow must've gotten absolutely REAMED when it was over

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>It would be nice if those faggots rioting on the streets would actually do something
history has proven time and again how these people end up just being used like tools.
you can't change an economic system without changing the political system too. and you can't change that if everyone is bound by the false dichotomy of democracy x dictatorship

>BB and Venom were always voiced by different people even in 4 it was like this.
David Hayter was Big Boss in MGS3, Portable Ops and Peace Walker. Pretty much every time young Big Boss appeared. Getting unceremoniously dropped from a role you had for 20 years is something you have a right to get pissed over.

cameo.com/guyversnake
75$ for a shoutout/message

Is he wrong though

That voice clip was used without his permission you dimwit

keifer was quite excited for the potential of acting in video games. but that bridge was burned by kojima

Unions are just as bad as corporations. Corrupt to hell and in some industries you can't even work if you aren't in the union, forcing you to join, pay the union fees, etc. And unions always have this super specific shit, where you aren't allowed to do a certain task until the union allows you to do it, so if you do it anyways to get the job done you risk getting kicked out of the union, which means the employer has to fire you because they can only employ union workers.
It's all a bunch of bullshit to attempt to give the corporations a check and balance, but it ends up just being another corporation you answer to and pay to be forced to be a part of

david won't get any money from it though because konami owns snake and david could easily be sued for selling their property

Hopefully this didn't turn him off from voice work in games entirely. He wasn't a bad Snake.

Couldn't you guys make a side tourney if you wanted to be on EVO that badly?

It was used for marketing.

The wolf from hoodwinked?

How many times are you going to say that and not get the other guy's point?

take a shower

His point was literally "Hayter shouldn't be mad because BB was always voiced by different people." which isn't true because the only time Big Boss wasn't voiced by Hayter was in MGS4.

Bloodstained probably had to spend bux to get him when his voice is one of the worst in the game. He's a meme that only trannies like because they have the hots for him.

Hes a lame has been whose greatest role is voice acting a retarded video game protagonist

>Pretty much every time young Big Boss appeared
Venom isn't "young Big Boss", did you guys have a bitchfit when Doyle voiced BB in MGS4 instead of a pitch-shifted Hayter?

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>did you guys have a bitchfit when Doyle voiced BB in MGS4 instead of a pitch-shifted Hayter?
Yea Forumsirgins definitely did.
Weren't you around MGS4 release?

>how dare a company use your voice on stream to mislead a bunch of people wow new low new low

infiltration wasnt shown with all the winners of evo in the outro video. that is really fucked up

You do realize the Snake you played in Ground Zeros and Ishmael/Big Boss are both the actual Big Boss, right?

Big Boss straight up is in MGSV as well

americans do the same to the mexicans who work the land. And europe does it to the polish / bulgarians who work in their greenhouses.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at with the Ishmael/Big Boss thing. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

>mislead
Jesus Christ

EVO: "Haha hey guys this is TOTALLY not a joke and we're 100% NOT being silly

Are you fucking retarded

that's mostly because nobody cares about samsho

Washed up nobody desperately clinging to relevancy

Hayter used to be pretty based, but he has taken the loss of the Solid Snake/Big Boss job poorly. The man needs to move on at this point, and should be happy that his work as Snake is still being recognized.

Can you imagine the breakdown Martinet would have if he got fired from Mario? That's been his whole career for 20 years. I want to see THAT shitstorm unfold.

They were fucking up so badly, for a second I thought Alex Jebaily was behind the scenes. Usually only fuck ups like this happen at CEO.

lol what a babby

It was more of a prank than a joke. I get why suits would be upset because it's an official event that had something that alluded to a collaboration that didn't actually exist and but Harada/BN on the hook for people's salt. Hell, I even understand why Hayter is upset because they never disclosed that it would be used for this purpose and if Konami knocked on his door and asked him why he's voicing Solid Snake in an unapproved promotion for a game they have nothing to do with, that would cost him even more work that he doesn't have.

But there are a lot of people saying they're pissed just because they got tricked. That's pretty pathetic.

With the daily mass shootings in America I'm surprised an irate player at EVO hasn't shot up the place already.

Depends where you live and the union in question. Plenty are good, but there are others that are borderline mafia rackets.

Other 2 I know of is that Infiltration won SamSho and that Laura was in a bikini on stream after "Core Values

The only psychos that play fighting games are online warriors, they’ll never come out to any event

there was that one guy last year who shot up a madden event.

>he is still fucking mad after 8 years

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Imagine if that Tekken guy from Neogaf actually went to EVO.

Why are Kojimadrones illiterate?

I kinda want this to be spun as Snake in T7 for real now.

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Welcome to the FGC.
One step forward then fall on your back.

>stop keeping the only thing I'm known for relevant

Yikes

He's a professional voice actor with contractual obligations

It's like if someone took something you did for your job and claims it as theirs in an advertisement.

It wasn’t even his voice

Probably had his twitter blow up with really disappointed fans too.

You know that hiring keifer cost less than hiring hayter?

Liberal socialism, friend. It's not full retard like actual communism but it's less evil than unfettered capitalism.

piratechads always win baby

>EVO: "Haha hey guys this is TOTALLY not a joke and we're 100% NOT being silly

I mean it wasn't the first time he did VA. He was in world at war with gary oldman

I actually didn't know that, neat. How was it?

I was calling my 58 year old grandparents on the other side of the country telling them to tune in for the big Snake reveal.

>literally everyone thought we were actually getting Snake
Literally everyone is a sped if they thought this

That stretch of COD4 to BO1 had enjoyable SP campaigns. Keifer was pretty good as roebuck but oldman as reznov stole the show

I was pretty sure there would be one for smash this weekend given the fbi was going HAM

>Harada gets Venom Snake into Tekken as a result of this
Calling it now

youtube.com/watch?v=ixWybGQnPHQ

Fucking kek

>washed up guy notable for one thing no longer able to do the one thing he's known for and too lazy to try and get more work

Nah, Hayter's a bitch.

I'm glad fags like you get run out of the FGC.

in a fema camp

Also you've got the people pissed that he cucked and left SamSho out of the outro showing all the winners because of Infil.

>Hayter is pissed about a company using his voice without permission
Half of Yea Forums:
>OMG get over MGS
>Wow he's still butthurt over losing his role
>Keep seething over Kojima
>When will he stop whining

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Don't you have a shower you need to take Smashpedo?

you should never back the corporation, EVER, if you think you should, you are a bootlicking moron that will forever be stepped on in your pathetic life

He's a little bitch.

Fair use only applies when in court, you can still get sued and DMCA'd.

>the idea that people should be paid for their work is such a foreign idea to the average american

truly the worlds most cucked country.

"a-at least it's not the goberment!" said the cagie wagie after his 3rd month of unpaid overtime.

Man EVO really fucked up huh
>muh voice
don't be a retard, with something as big as EVO it's a borderline miracle if this only ends with Bamco and/or Konami (not that they have any history but still) refusing to help promote/support future events or getting their games pulled outright

Sure, but those people barely qualify as "human"

Shit. I just checked.
I used 2 cloves of Chinese garlic in my pasta last week.
Fucking Chinks.

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>say word
>get paid
No reason not to honestly

Yes.

One of the most famous in the entire game industry.

But his original voice is still there, so it's not stealing.

David Hayter is in this thread.

He might want to wear a british knife vest the next time he and his translator go to evo

and you guys wonder why kojima dropped this hack

It was one of the things they do for the live show while there are ad breaks, etc. same as dumb shit like singalongs, etc. It's just that the codec sound is loud and distinct enough that it was heard on stream.

That's another way of saying Hayter has no range and plays the same voice everywhere
>u mad now?

To piss every snowflake in the world.
It worked.

>>Hayter is pissed about a company using his voice without permission
Does Hayter ask Konami for permission every time he does his usual $75 Snake voice? What about when he goes around stating he is 100% the official face (and voice) of Solid Snake in the US? Along with all of his little "hey I'm Snake" tours? Does he also give a cut to Konami too when he gets cash out of this? Or does he have a "fair use" disclaimer to get out of it? Because All of these scenarios make him out to be an even bigger bitch than he really is

If he actually WANTED to be invited to this shit officially, along with a lot more than a throwaway DLC for DA:I, he probably shouldn't have burnt his numerous vidya bridges when he didn't get a callback for the magical talking sword in MGR

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I dunno, maybe he does and has permission.

He's just pretending to be mad because he's a slave to his fans, much like Star Trek actors.

>Artists who let their material be used Willy Nilly are cucks who will never make it.
How do you prevent others using your art online? Boorus just does what they want.

what an attention seeking twat

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Post some of his nuclear level asshurt about the MGS V thing.

>The Racist Criminal 'Justice' System

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