Capcom saved the fighting game community back in 09 and brought in the "fighting game renaissance" but I believe after sometime the focus on only capcom's games was holding the FGC back. I dont think it was a fighting game Renaissance as much as it was a "capcom fighter renaissance" wth SFIV and MvC3 dominating. With SFV dipping in popularity and other companies stepping up their game, the fgc has become more diverse with more players trying more games. Tekken7 is still rising, SC6, and Samsho were surprise successes at evo, Smash ultimate's huge reign and finally killing melee, MK11 getting the highest sales of 2019, and a new KOF/Guilty Gear in the works. I think we're about the enter the true fighting game renaissance in 2020. Im not saying capcom's fighters are dead, just less popular then usual and don't take up the majority of community anymore.
FGC and Capcom
Mortal Kombat is a special case, most don't bother with multiplayer or even finishing the campaign instead of watching it in youtube because MK single player is notoriously hard for normies.
A lot of the old guard games have been phased out. A second Renaissance could be on its way but for better or worse, it will probably never hit 7 digit viewership that devs and publishers dream about having.
I wonder if Capcom can come up with a good fighter now that they seem to be having a renaissance with their other games.
>Capcom saved the fighting game community back in 09
nice meme. the dark ages of fighters only happened if you refused to play anything outside capcom's fighters. people wre setting up online lobbies for GGXXReload, Melty Blood Act Cadenza Version B on PC. GGXX came out of nowhere and reivigorated the scene in the early 00s. even was elected the best fighter of the decade in japan. Tekken Tag Tournament, then after T4 we got Tekken 5. Comiket scene with Akatsuki Blitzkampf, Big Bang Beat and other fighters. Virtua Fighter 4 and 5. then Tekken 5 DR and 6. KOF 2002, KOFXI, KOF98UM, KOF 2002UM.
there was a lot of shit to play in the so called "dark ages"
we need remember that the capcom community did everything they could to block any other 2d games in evo back in the day, the same community got salty as fuck when other fanbases started calling the evo staff out on how shit other games were being treated
>there was a lot of shit to play in the so called "dark ages"
yeah and no one played them.
Maybe they'll finally attempt something with dark stalkers now and learn from their mvc/sf mistakes recently
Snoy of America did everything they could to stop 2D games from getting published
both the ps1 and ps2 were full of 2d games, including 2d fighting games, that came out in america. they also weren't the only platforms that had fighting games.
i know you're a zoomer who needs to force your epic "snoy" buzzword into every conversation in a desperate attempt to fit in, but you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
I wish a different series filled the void left by Street Fighter besides TEKKEN
I fucking hate Tekken man, that game is so shit. There's better stuff to play, but everyone pretends like Tekken is the hot shit now.
Your time is up gramps, Tekken is the future.
Tekken is the opposite of the future, it's been the same crusty stiff garbage since 1997
Agreed Tekken being the face of the FGC is just fucking weird. Plus that top 8 was anti hype, Kazumi with the constant slaps is retarded anti tekken.
Capcom had to literally hold RE2 under ransom for Sony let them release the Mega Man games on PS1
Thinking of it as a Renaissance is silly, this is the result of strong sustained growth over many years. Devs put out good fighters so people keep playing, the word spread so when the next one comes along more give it a try. Some games can come along and have a spike, but events are growing and most games have enough players online. Now the games with the least entrants have double of the biggest game 10 years ago. I think by the next cycle of games calling any notable game dead will be laughed off, the hype for Xth is huge. GG was trending on twitter.
For capcom, they just need to go away. SFV just feels like a drag now, it really is duty fighter. It being brought up is always an awkward moment of someone has to step in to defend the game, announcements are flaccid and the top 8 paled in comparison to the competition. Capcom needs to go sort its fighting games out. If you look at the discussion from fgc to casual it isn't sfv being talked about, the story isn't there and neither are the hype matches.
>A lot of the old guard games have been phased out.
Not true, most of SamSho's top 8 were previous evo champs
6 years more modern than Street Fighter, cope.
SFV is in a fine place. Lots of viewers, lots of entrants, lots of players. People who hate it will continue to hate it, there's nothing they can change that will make people who have dug their heels in for 3 years suddenly like it.
>Capcom saved the fighting game community back in 09 and brought in the "fighting game renaissance"
Capcom gets more credit than it deserves on this front, widespread online was a much bigger factor in bring back fighting games, before SFIV the 360 and PS3 only had DoA4 and SCIV.
did they actually? Why would they do that?
Because 2D = old thing, 3D = new thing, pretty much the only 2D games they allowed early on were ports of Arcade/other game systems to show that the PS1 was the superior machine. Working Designs closed because SCEA blocked the release of one of their games
And here we see the awkward sfv defence force. You go for the tired everyone who hates it will never like it so why even try. Ignoring that even people who like the game were expecting a bigger announcement. The peak players on steam is lower than last year's DLC drop, clearly they aren't engaging people as much.
Also interesting use of lots, lots of players, lots of players lost year on year. SFV is entering just average game numbers, while other games grew it has shrunk back to SF4 levels. Which isn't a direction you can head in forever. SF is no longer a special thing for the FGC and that's an issue for a game surviving on the brands legacy. Capcom need to step up with the big update everyone is asking for.
>there's nothing they can change that will make people who have dug their heels in for 3 years suddenly like it
ofcourse not because the gameplay didn't change ONE bit. People always talk about how everything changed. NOTHING changed. Did they rework the whole game? hell no they didn't it's the same boring shtick
did lili and karin paid for the breasts implants of sakura and asuka?
everyone will stop caring about those games as soon as SFVI and MvC4 are announced
>mahvel four
>ever
>MvC4
>After the fandom's good idea of doing a massive shitposting campaign on MvCI as a form of """""""constructive critisim""""""
Take this L you Capkuck. You fucktards shot yourselves in the legs and you're too fucking stubborn to admitt you fucks were the bigger culprit of your precious MAHVEL now as a rotting corpse. But hey at least you soi bois now got your X-Men back in a shitty hack n slash. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!
They did in the early days of the ps1 but they abandoned that pretty fast with games like sotn, alpha 1/2/3, bof3 and xenogears having success
Capcom and Konami got passes.
>xenogears
What?
thats lame. Guess they learned their lesson with sotn
They also did it in late PS2 days/early PS3. I remember reading interview with one of NISA guys (yeah, I know) regarding Wii/PS2 localization for Sakura Wars 5,and he touched this topic as well. Sony US was completely against 2D games.
>Not posting fighting girls in a fighting thread
Faggots! All of you!
infinite was supposed to be impossible to begin with, plus marvel still shows interest in the genre with that new cabinet that was shilled during evo. I think there's still a possibility
They weren't going to say no to Konami. SotN also has sparing use of 3D.
Mvc3 was supposed to be impossible too.
SNK also got fucked over by them
>infinite was supposed to be impossible to begin with
It wasn't impossible, just incredibly unlikely. MvC3 was well received but they just didn't see the point in supporting it, so Ultimate got rushed out. It wasn't dropped cause marvel really wanted to dissociate themselves from it. MvCi's lack of support is directly linked to an incredibly bad reception, humiliating even. They wanted that shit forgotten. FChamp also revealed on stream that the relationship between Marvel and Capcom was not good.
It is the difference between meeting up with a friend you'd thought you'd never see again, and meeting up with a friend who got convicted for diddling kids.
UMvC3 got fucked by the natural disaster+Disney buying marvel combo. Even after you couldn't buy it anymore there were still more people entering it at Evo for instance than quite a few other games.
the reason the ps2 didn't got the KOF2002 UM was because sony straight up banned 2D games to be published kek. combine that with the capcom community making everything they can to gatekeep everything that wasn't capcom games.
Meanwhile in Japan tournaments upon tournaments of all kinds of fighters were being held every month.
Mexico and BRazil having different tier lists for the KOF XI. Tekken getting an insane amount of love world wide. even DOA had tournaments
You also forgot all the assblasted Megamanfags that started to pull their massive victum complex and a some nigger off of Youtube.
It’s pretyh strange that Capcom has been doing good with their other titles but their bread and butter Fighting games are considered a joke compared to their past games and other fighters.
I don’t think they can’t bounce back from it but we won’t know until they announce a new SF and it not looking like total dog crap.
muh fighting game renaissance
>Kazumi with the constant slaps is retarded anti tekken.
yeah those were some boring fights. Knee coming out with character after character was interesting though, it made grand finals hype for me.
Ok then
Wow, what a cutie!
i hate to remind you but,the natural disaster was just a scapegoat.
I want to see you fags playing against Arslan or Knee. complain about the slaps but didn't noticed they were used to hold Knee in place. Especially when kazumi can only win by applying pure tekken fundamentals.
never change vappa. never change
For me, it's Yuri
I remember thinking it looked really good at the teaser. Im not sure why I think different now. I dont even think its as bad of a game as others say, but when I saw the honda/poison dlc I couldn't help but think something looked off.
Yeah it was pretty much that, capcom just got lazy and since TrollOno was raising his ugly head in the project, tings just got worse, he was behind the megaman embargo, and the original idea was supposed to be DLC but after only shuma Gorath and Jill, they bailed out and decided to relaunch the game with new characters that half of them turned out to be already finished and meant for the base roster, but capcom held em ransom for intended DLC and cover behind the ''copyright issues'' excuse, then the disaster happened and they used that to cover themselves, and even said stupid ass shit like, there's just too much content to be on the disc to be DLC (fucking wireless faulty keyboard) despite DL being saved on the hard drive, and even saying that downloadable content and disc locked content were the same, then the megaman embargo and relegated to a silly cameo in Nova's ending, because of the embargo, which Ono was partially behind it, and megaman fans being pissed off for legit reasons, (douches asides of course), then capcom trying to make a poll of which characters wanna see in the game, Megaman X being on top, and then claiming that, ''you guys don't really wanted this! he is not popular DUHUHUR DERP!'' HERE'S A X SKIN FOR ZERO INSTEAD!!.
Oh yeah, god forbid people will be disappointing and resentful a bit and that impacting the game.
and then there's the douchebags trying to pretend to be moral and demonize EVERYONE who was legitimate pissed at how they handle the PR and the game and even saying awful shit like ''YOU DONT CARE ABOUT THE VICTIMS OF THE TSUNAMI YOU JUST WANT YOUR PRECIOSU MEGAWAAAAAM!!, which means you guys narrative, is dog shit.
and recently it was discovered that not only Doctor Octopuss was supposed to be in the game, more female characters like Rouge (not Rogue form Xmen, Rouge form Power Stone) and others were supposed to be added in the update but marvel, (by which i mean THE MOUSE) banned those!
meant to reply to this guy as well , fucking wireless keyboard
I'd prefer capcom to focus on their other IPs and take a break from fighting games. But that won't happen since muh ESPORTS and the capcom community wanting SFVI immediately with it being the same as V if not worse
The thing is that Capcom themselves have developed very few fighting games in the past decade.
>SFIV was Dimps with Ono directing
>TvC was Eighting with Niitsuma producing
>Marvel 3 was Eighting with Niitsuma producing
>Most of the classic fighting games rereleases like MvC2 were outsourced to other companies
>SFV is a collaboration between Dimps and internal Capcom staff from both Japan and USA with Ono directing
MvC Infinite was the first fighting game made entirely by internal Capcom staff since I want to say either CvS2 or Capcom Fighting Jam; they initially sold the game on how it was veterans from pre-MvC2 Marvel/Capcom games that were working on it alongside Capcom USA.
Given that the gameplay systems and roster balance were the least-maligned things about Marvel Infinite, I think it's possible that a new fighting game from within the company could be good, especially if they don't have to fuck around with a license holder. Another fighting game also seems to be next on Itsuno's bucket list after Dragon's Dogma 2, but we may have to wait until the mid-2020s for such a game. Honestly I'd be cool with outsourcing to Eighting again as well; TvC & UMvC3 are fantastic games even with some mechanical issues.
I wish Sakura and Asuka would crush my head between their abs
that bison has such a great smile. I wish a took a snapshot of the perfect cell cosplay
What I'm thinking about is that SFV was made for PS4 & PC specifically because Sony literally funded its creation, as Capcom had real money troubles in the early-mid 2010s. With MH World, RE2, and DMC5 among others doing really good numbers, they could easily fund a game with a larger budget than SFV themselves.
I'm not sure what that will say for quality, but I would say that at the very least you will see it on Xbox this time around. Even if it ran on Switch Capcom wouldn't put it on there anyway; they seem content with dropping overpriced ports on the thing and calling it a day, outside of MHXX and MM11.
>Lil Majin didn't make Top 8
Anakin did the US proud despite choking against Paul but seeing the King dream once again starting from Losers would've been magic.
Combovortex, offline, no-locals tekkenscrub here.
Yoshi's fundamentals suck, but IN THEORY, doesn't he have the potential to get a flash punish off of every hi-mid string in the game?
It's unreasonable to assume anyone would gain THAT much muscle memory, but is this """potential""" an exaggeration?
Hoping he gets some kind of gap closing tool in season 3.
>couch coaching
explain
>in theory
>implying you know what you're talking about.
>despite choking against Paul
It was Knee playing paul, I can't really blame him. He got downloaded. Seeing Paul and Kazuya in Top8 was intense though didnt expect to see those character at all.
SF V: Everything is good except the gameplay
MvsCi: Everything is bad except the gameplay
You know this is the true
>He isn’t both a lorefag and a competitivefag
If i knew what i was talking about why would i be asking a question, faggot? I don't know if most high-to-mid strings in the game have a gap where you can duck and flash before they throw out the mid; i'm not claiming yoshi is good.
Ben playing SFV again the other day.
I still can't get over what they have done to my Gief.Things still feel really off with everything in battles. And the the majority of the character models are just bad looking. Like they belong in that one game: Ride to hell
I hate that this user is right
Quit talking and play the damn game or shut your scrub fingers. You don't need to know the game if you don't intend on playing it yourself.
Based retard. I'm only asking this because i've been in training mode and noticed that some strings i set the cpus to have that window. If you think my original post is claiming anything and not asking if this is the case you're a genuine mongoloid.
Funny coming from a guy who can't figure things out.
I mean thats why he was asking questions, because he didnt know. Why are you getting so worked up?
This is a fighting game thread. Why isn't anyone challenging anyone yet? I'm getting bored.
Why would somebody challenge you when you're clearly challenged yourself?
MK has an unironically marianas-deep lore, or at least used to before the reboot
My points was that MK doing good or bad is mostly irrelevant to the larger scene since 99% of MKfags aren't interested in the things that the FGC traditionally cherishes.
>Why isn't anyone challenging anyone yet?
you mean like baiting/shitposting or in a game? You could've just asked or go to /vg/. Were trying to get him mad enough to challenge you?
Talk is cheap. Pick a game and let's see if we can't fight it out. Or are you chicken shit?
Game
>since 99% of MKfags aren't interested in the things that the FGC traditionally cherishes
do you think people play one game and stop
>99% of MKfags aren't interested in the things that the FGC traditionally cherishes.
Fried chicken and crime?
When it comes to flavor of the month games like nü-MK, yes.
Also rape.
>Also rape.
mostly rape
Only Capcom and Tekken players are black
>he got rape
stay free
God I hope so. Capcom pulling out of fgs and esports would be a dream come true.
I'll show you how "free" I am. What games you play?
And nintendo has smelly autists.
If i wasn't connected to wireless I'd happily have a fun couple of rounds with you in USF4. I'd rather be chicken shit than play with that kind of lag.
Obsessed.
What you play on?
>Bamco makes multiple fighters
>Arcsys makes multiple fighters
>SNK is back with multiple fighters
>Capcom only has SFV
Can Capcom pull back? They have some many fighters to revive and they do nothing. They need a fucking break from SF like they did in their best years and do something else for a change
PC
A shame.
Anything but a new Darkstalkers please.
>Obsessed
U mad?
>Anything but a new darkstalkers
>Anything but
Does not compute.
Mad about what? You have small scale dreams?
>deleting "a new darkstalkers" from my quote
Wish Capcom deleted Darkstalkers from everybody's memory.
>You have small scale dreams
A big corporation dropping out makes my day. It's better than being a bootlicker.
Fucking why not Darkstalkers?
Do you work for them or something?
Because I want Capcom to do a new thing instead of simply cashing in on nostalgia.
I know I'm asking for an impossible task, shareholders would never allow such risky move to happen.
Itsuno wants to make Rival Schools 3/Project Justice 2. Fucking let him once the lion's share of Dragon's Dogma 2 is complete. In the mean time make a Vs game that doesn't have to deal with Disney's bullshit.
it'll probably turn out shit
Okay asshat, can you tell us what's exactly wrong with Robutts?
>FOONDAMENTOOLS
Kazumi is the worst character in the history of Tekken. 100% braindead gameplay. Just turn off your brain and rotate 3 moves over and over. Whoever designes her moveset is a literal cretin.
what kind of Vs. game should they make if not Marvel?
Capcom Vs. Mortal Kombat
Make every 90s kid fightanfag dream come true.
Wouldn't it be funny if Karin, Lili, Sakura, and Asuka just made a big girlpile?
Personally, just me talking here, but I'd like to be in a bath while they all surround it and pee on me.
Capcom vs The World. Then every rep would be possible
>but IN THEORY, doesn't he have the potential to get a flash punish off of every hi-mid string in the game
No. What the fuck is "hi-mid string" anyway? Only some of the strings could be punished.
He already has gap-closing moves: f+1+2, f 3~4, running 3.
Capcom vs Capcom
whats the point. capcom isnt gonna let wb use fatalitlies on its characters
Have Sex Conman apologist
>he didn't like the kino heroic brutalities
Sounds like I sure struck a Megafag's nerve
The more time passes the more I sour on this idea. It would basically be a game of SF, MM, RE, and old washups that can't get their own games anymore.
>It would basically be a game of SF, MM, RE, and old washups that can't get their own games anymore.
There's nothing wrong with that. Smash Bros is Nintendo powerhouses like Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, or Animal Crossing, up and comers like Splatoon, Fire Emblem and Xenoblade, and museum shit like F-Zero, Game & Watch and Ice Climbers.
Capcom these days is what, Street Fighter, Resident Evil, DMC, MonHun, Mega Man sometimes, and if we're lucky Dragon's Dogma and Ace Attorney?
But it's got a long and rich history full of stuff that hasn't been touched on outside of crossovers and merchandise lately, or maybe just got a few games and never saw the light of day again? Viewtiful Joe, God Hand, Dead Rising, Sengoku Basara, etc.
It's either the fighting game or gacha/microtransaction shit like that card game. Maybe if we're lucky we get another Project X Zone.
>or gacha/microtransaction shit like that card game
Teppen is good honestly. I'll take a card game with some nice art over garbage attempts at mobage like X-Over or the Capcom Vancouver Puzzle Fighter. I'd much rather a full-on fighting game that celebrates their roster of characters and franchises, but I'll take what I can. I hope it lives long enough to reference obscure shit like UMvC3's Heroes & Heralds did (still the only official art of Gene since God Hand released).
>Project X Zone
>if we're lucky
Those games fucking suck, the good fan service does not make up for the nonexistent gameplay
As someone who bought Namco X Capcom and both Project X Zone games, I agree with you all the way. I can't even finish the games because that shit just drags so hard.
and Gene still wouldn't be in it
All capcom has to do is not fuck up a game on release and they'll be back on track
Maybe they'll let Itsuno make a new Rival Schools since he's been itching to make one for a long time.
win against arslan or knee and then you have the right to talk bitchboy.
unti thenl keep thinking theory fighting with other vappas will mean anything
I'm with you, Tekken is a shitty substitute.
I hope the new guilty gear takes its place as the new face of the fgc.
I hope Teppen succeeds mostly for more good art of obscure characters. Most of it is nice.
>You need to be top 3 players in the world to see if a character is retarded
Good lord, what a fucking imbecile.
fate unlimited codes was also eighting with Kazuhiro (megaman 11) producing
the thing is. capcom doesn't know how to make fighting games because everyone that made fighters are working on Dimps, Eighting, ArcSys, Bamco and SNK
Ono expressed interest in making DC vs Capcom during a panel at EVO.
Ono expresses interest in a lot of things. So glad he got demoted.
Just remembered Sengoku Basara X developed by ArcSys of all people as well. Capcom Fighting Jam was legitimately the last new fighting game made entirely by Capcom before Marvel Infinite, although Alpha 3 MAX was in 2006.
ono wshows interest in everything but never delivers while always asking people to go along with his jewry and retardation. then gets sad when people get full of his shit
Man something about calling CFJ a new fighting game just rubs me the wrong way.
sadly he is speaking the truth
Capcom really lost it, but at least Bamco is on a roll
Well, it had new stages, art, and "systems", plus there were 3 characters in it you could never play as before (Ingrid and the two Red Earth bosses). Honestly really mad that Red Earth's only real representation since release that wasn't just Tessa because titty witch was CFJ. It's such a cool idea and I feel like the concept of the gameplay would've resonated a lot more with people today (although its beautiful sprite work is also part of the appeal).
Before CFJ was CvS2 I think and that also reused a ton of sprites, although it at least is a great game despite that.
Bamco & ArcSys are going wild right now, they're dominating the lineups at majors. Tekken 7, SCVI (which seems way healthier after EVO than before), DBFZ, BBTag (also apparently healthier than expected), Granblue & Guilty Gear Xth coming, and then ArcSys has connections to French Bread and published KLK which isn't very deep but still managed to have a tournament run for it at EVO. SNK supporting SamSho hard while making KOFXV is also really cool.
Their fighting game division is fucked.
i would give anything in the world to see capcom make good fighting games again. i don't know how people can stomach shit like street fighter v. meanwhile mvci never had a chance because marvel sabotaged it from day 1.
i'll stick to playing guilty gear for another 5 years unless something changes with capcoms fighting game division. how someone like ono still has a job baffles me. he DOESNT even play fighting games like harada.
I just think they need new blood in it like how the RE2make team is mostly new blood, same with Mega Man 11, and so was most of the DMC5 team despite Itsuno still holding the reigns. Keep around the veterans like the guys who worked on the gameplay systems for Marvel Infinite, but let young guys have input.
>how someone like ono still has a job baffles me. he DOESNT even play fighting games like harada.
Ah, yes. The man who fought tooth and nail to convince Capcom to make SFIV, doesn't play fighting games or care about them.
Ono is just a figure head. You should direct your ire at Woshige for SFV being the travesty that it is.
You have to be a real cunt to hate Ono. You forget how fucking strict and unrealistic with expectations Capcom can be? That company doesn't give a fuck if Ono wants to make a Darkstalkers or Nitsuma wants to do Rival Schools. If it isn't going to turn fat monies fuck that noise.
>SF V: Everything is good except the gameplay
Why should I give a flying fuck at rolling donuts about the "fighting game community"? I just want to play good games, and their demands make for boring games.
>Smash ultimate's huge reign and finally killing melee
Not fighting games.
ono, combofiend and their division were to blame too. I wont be surprised if over half of the budget of the game was burned in the eSports shit. getting an TV spot on two of the biggest channel both owned by Disney and the insane amount of money some TOs got . especially McRib.
both parties were at fault here
>And here we see the awkward sfv defence force
>ANYONE WHO DOESN'T HATE THE THING I HATE IS A DEFENSE FORCE
Cute.