Objective truth

Morrowind > Daggerfall = Skyrim > Oblivion > Arena

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Actually for once I agree with this.

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Seriously don't understand why so many of you cunts say Skyrim is better than Oblivion. Skyrim is the most bland, poorly written fucking shit compared to Oblivion. Oblivion actually had colour and an interesting world, while Skyrim was just a shitty Game of Thrones.

It's like the entire continent of africa calling the kettle black when oblivion fags say skyrim is bland and poorly written.

>Skyrim is bland
>Oblivion isn't
lol? Oblivion is a tech demo first and foremost, its incredibly bland especially coming off of Morrowind.
Skyrim brought back more enemy variety, more interesting looking locations, bigger underground spaces that felt more "natural" compared to the tight angular corridors of Oblivion. and the art direction of Skyrim is just so much better.
the cities are more interesting as well, going back to oblivion, most of the minor cities feels kind of dead, and most of the Imperial city I rarely have reason to visit at all.

Because snow, graphics, and interface

There are varying degrees of shitiness, which is the point of these bait "X > Y" comparisons.

Just installed morrowind and morrowind rebirth/Tamriel rebuilt along with some other mods. What am I in for?

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have you played morrowind before?

>Oblivion
>Interesting World
They completely scrapped anything that made Morrowind cool and made it like a LotR themepark. Skyrim isn't as interesting as Vvardenfell but at least it feels like you're exploring a strange hostile land.

>>thieves guild questline
Robin Hood isn't a good questline

yea but then you have the piss poor mages storyline and the totally forgettable Fighters story

I think overall the writing in Skyrim is just so much better, the civil war alone is far beyond anything in Oblivion imo

Cyrodill's a jungle? Not this time

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The original description sounded like it was written by a weeb. They made the right call.

I think that's an exaggeration, in terms of writing they are both fairly variable in quality but overall they even out.
Art direction is better in Skyrim though and combat is more fun.
So overall Skyrim is better, still not as good a Morrowind but better than Oblivion

What does the Bal Molager (sp) have to do with Oblivion?
Morrowind is the only game that did this to the TG.

But making the Legion look like Gondorians, Imperial city look like Minas Tirith, Oblivion gates look like the Eye of Sauron.
It's clear the LOTR Movies seriously affected the art direction in Oblivion, and it suffered because of it.

Oblivion is the worst game I've ever played.

Char creation is a cheat mode in Daggerfall.
I am going to guess you really miss spell making as well.
If you are that challenge averse just turn the difficulty down.

No jut the fact that it exists is an affront to the sensibilities.
It stands as a monument to what happens when you are far more ambitious than you are talented.

Sure.
I still think that is a better call than the weeb description.
The trend of following popular movies influencing the game gives me some trepidation for TES 6. I have the bad feeling it is going to be Hammerfell /Wakanda.

Wes Johnson > Any other voice actor in TES

congratulations on not playing that many games then

Is there a real-world example of land formation like Morrowind- a large island more or less carved into a continent?

>that feel when put hundreds of hours into Oblivion on 360

Surprisingly correct.

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>combat is more fun [in Skyrim]
AI competitiveness was reduced, the animations are more floaty, and you can't use magic with a two-handed weapon or with a shield.

And Oblivion had different animations (and with it, effects) depending on the skill level of the character.

You sleep rather soundly for a murderer.

>being able to fully customize your own character is cheating
not everyone finds it fun to only do the most broken thing possible every game.

Krakatoa ?

Despite how bulky it is, I love the Oblivion UI. The parchment look has so much character that the interfaces in Skyrim don't have.

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Too many caves filled with nothing but draugr to like skyrim

It was 2am and almost shit myself when first playing when he showed up.
Also, the vampire fever dreams were kinda spooky.

>Oblivion actually had colour and an interesting world,
It was the fucking imperial province, where of the empire's cultures meet and somehow fucking Skyrim had more interesting looks into the culture of the Khajit, Dunmer, Redguard and Imperials.
It's a fucking absurdly bland game, it's all wasted potential and nothing interesting is done. Skyrim is shit but at least it's entertaining shit, oblivion is a blurry and boring piece of shit. Fuck that game, fuck the zoomers who think it isn't the bottom of the barrel

Sure you could pick a bunch of useless skills as well as use it as a cheat mode.
Daggerfall had more than enough useless skills to choose from.

I don't see the appeal of a broken Char creation system.

AI has improved by leaps and bounds each game since Morrowind.

AI competitiveness in Oblivion was non-existent
even Daggerfall has better enemy AI since enemies will dodge attacks, move out of the way from incoming ranged missiles, and retreat/move around the environment to strike at you

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Interesting. Thanks.
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so you prefer having no options then? stripping away character creation and customization to further streamline the experience.

The only thing Skyrim is better at is being shit

AI walking up from behind and forcing you into a conversation is scary in general

what a dumpy looking island

>Daggerfall
I tried that recently with the new Unity project, but navigating those hueg RNG cities got boring pretty fast.

I hope they add a bunch of useless skills like shoe tying in the next game for you.

Oblivion fucking sucks, I am sorry it was your first elder scroll, it was mine as well, but I have no nostalgia for that trash.

>AI has improved by leaps and bounds
That's just VERY GAY buzzwords.

In Oblivion, the NPCs would block (or attempt to) every attack and would continuously attack.
In Skyrim, the NPCs would illogically hesitate. They would attack once, wait, then maybe attack again.

Just get the Darnified UI mod, it keeps that aesthetic while also looking like an actual PC game

Oblivion's UI compared to Morrowind's is shit

Wrong

Morrowind > Daggerfall=Oblivion > Skyrim > TESO > Arena

Anyone who dissagrees can suck my chim. Skyrim is shit and all the zoomers who had it as their first Elder Scrolls can fuck off.

Did...
Did Oblivion touch you inappropriately, or something?

this, skyrim is so dumbed down it's insulting

I like the simplicity of Morrowind's UI but having just the icons for items can make things hard to find if you're carrying a lot. Also the spell list lacking any kind of sorting feature is kinda shitty, though OpenMW added a search bar which helps with that.

Sorry, your fave is problematic

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Skyrim is good though
Oblivion rides on the nostalgia wave of being 90% of console babies first RPG

Morrowind The AI served as little more than a way to get the NPC in a position toget killed
Oblivion added a sense of self preservation
Skyrim added the ability for the NPCs to attempt to flank and do things like try to heal allies.

The AI has improved by leaps and bounds from game to game.

I don't want to talk about it user...

Why did they remove levitation in between Morrowind and Oblivion and justify it in lore, anyway?

Morrowinds UI was far too cluttered. Felt like it belonged in an MMO.

Is Online even worth playing?

Daggerfall Unity has better enemy AI than any Elder Scrolls game

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Morrowind always ate shit, skyrim was shit but in different ways

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They removed it because of the cities being their own separate cells, but in lore I think they said it was b& by the Mages Guild for being too OP or some shit

Ok grampa.

Still better than their Skyrim equivalents. Getting into the Arcane University took longer than beating the entire College of Winterhold questline.

Bring your wallet.

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yea and it was all downhill after you got accepted to the university
all the city guilds at least had some nice personality, but you can really tell the frontloaded that faction because everything after was just stupid and boring.
even worse because they brought back the King of Worms who was a massive Chad in Daggerfall as just some whimpy cuck

This. I have never even finished the main story in Skyrim because of how boring that shitty game is. Literally a fucking souless waste of time. Even worse that the game sets up the Thalmor as this big threat, but only let you act in bullshit conflicts like the dragons and the civil war.

Morrowind > Oblivion > Arena > Skyrim > Daggerfall

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You know, I actually agree with you, though with the caveat that Skyrim is slightly better than Daggerfall to me purely because of personal taste

>We know

Objective truth, BETHESTDA SUCKS AT MAKING GAMES!

> Stop respecting raped women
What did she mean by this.

Anyone who puts daggerfall above anything clearly hasn’t played it.

If they ever get their shit together they can stop struggling to get by.
Poor bastards only have a couple of billion as a cushion.

Daggerfall was my first ES game and still my favorite

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Oblivion being bland was one of its main criticisms, the world is uninteresting and samey. Even the Oblivion gates only have a set different versions.

Literally the only reason why its praised so much is that it was most people their first Elder Scrolls, it was the one where it went most mainstream and fully hyped to the console market.

Also the level scaling was retarded.

We have guests from the Codex. Old timers are easily confused by new things and like things that are familiar to them.

They actually prefer Daggerfall. Poor bastards.

It's because of the recent Daggerfall hype thanks to Unity, also people that dislike Morrowind will use daggerfall to the death in their arguments even though they clearly haven't played it and those two are essentially two different types of RPG.

This. Even Arena is better.

I just like it for the memes and hilariously bad voice acting, also the mods are maximum comfy but that gets boring after a while

It's really good imo

lots to do and I love all the lore they've added to it. Combat can be bland until you unlock more skills and find that perfect rotation between your attacks and magicka and stamina skills. There's a way to frame cancel your attacks too so to me it's actually pretty fun. A lot of people say otherwise though so I'm probably biased but it feels good.

My only complaint is that quests can be kinda long. It's engaging but there's just too much engagement.

>a bunch of shit that can be fixed with a couple mods
Whoa...

>weeb description
What the fuck do you mean "weeb description"

Literally any game > Elder Scrolls

>gets boring after a while
Isn't that pretty much anything, though?
I can't think last time I've been absolutely engrossed in a game.

The guards carried giant Katanas. The descriptions of the guard armor was full on weeb.
I don't know if they were done by MK but the doodles of the guards I have seen look like MKs handiwork are fullon anime.
If Trainwiz is lurking he probably has them and you can judge for yourself.

>have to mod the game to make it not shit.
Thanks for agreeing it's shit

You ARE twisting my words around...
And in doing so: have pissed me off.

We all hate you here - I hope you know that, Anonymous.

Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong

>people are still complaining about spears
>when Morrowind is literally the only game that had spears in the entire series
>including spinoffs

Morrowind>Oblivion>>Daggerfall=Skyrim>>>Arena

He fucked over the dumner people hard.

Story checks out.

Considering how derpy Daggerfalls AI is, ill stick with one from Oblivion.
All Buggerfall has going for it are char customisation and RPG elements. Dungeoncrawl is good too, however, due to procedural generation they can and do bug the fuck out, making quests impossible to complete or getting your char locked in for eternity in the labyrinth (unless you use mark/recall).

Wew lad. Mighty stong unprejudiced opinion there. Did you get proverbialy molested by level scaling mechanics?

Do you have any response other than"Were you molested by X"?

>supposed PC gamer who hates consolized UI
>is anti mod
Something’s fishy here

The only thing that baitshit has right is that level scaling is an issue. It is true, however, only a braindead idiot will level a character without training offensive capabilities. I have no pity for the idiot who made this.
>all artefacts are uselss due to level scaling
Not all, not even a half. Pathetic.

Skyrim with mods is the best Bethesda game.

Did you get molested by my post?

Yeah. Fuck off. How about that.
Im not even that other user.

Sure is RPG Codex in here today.
Do you all wander back home eventually on your own or does DorkUnderlord have to do the tard wrangling himself?

Average Oblivion Fan

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More like Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion > literal shit > Daggerfall > Arena

you are looking back at skyrim with todays eyes. when it first came out it was extremely fun and immersive, just as oblivion was, but now its a pile of dog shit since you have a 2019 big brain from watching youtube videos al lday

nope i tried it and it was a disaster

deep lore

Kirkbride really let himself go

But I want to see stuff like Kvatch and Morrowind

The only 2 things Oblivion has over skyrim is Patrick Stewart and Sean Bean. Otherwise it is just more medieval/knights version.

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Morrowind and teso are the only true ES games. Teso is more faithful to Morrowind than the others. The others are also pretty casual as you can see from the people that latch onto them.

Just get this out of the way, I never played Arena, Redguard, Daggerfall, or eso.
Morrowind>Skrim=Oblivion
Morrowind has the best setting and most interesting lore, but the game really pushes a "Build your own adventure" kinda game.
Skyrim and oblivion are the same game just different theme (vikings or knights).

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Found the C0DAfag.
You aren't a fan of the games you are a fan of the shitty fanfics.

Skyrim and Oblivion is trash without mods

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It's fiction, it never happened

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Lmao why bring up coda? I agree its fanfic.

And Morrowind put ES on the map. Do you think that was due to the gameplay? It was bad even for its time. You couldn't appreciate the gameplay until late game so what kept people around? Interacting with the lore and storytelling. The world building etc.

After Morrowind the games became more casual. Hack and slash but with just enough to keep lorebuffs interested. But now teso offers more of what Morrowind made. Gameplay and world building alike.

Skyrim is either a waifu generator or people play it to live out a Viking life.

Glarthir woke me up when I was sleeping in the mage's guild. Fucker scared the shit out of me.

NEVER contact me in public

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such color
much bloom

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Morrowind was the easiest TES game ever.
It's limited scaling and the ease at which you became op led to it getting boring quick. If you were challenged by Morrowind in any way I am guessing you rode the short bus to school.

Being the first RPG of its kind on consoles was what made Morrowind popular. Any other claim is revisionist history.

More color than SHITRIM

Because either they only played Skyrim or because they got their asses handed to them by level scaling - they could not build chars properly.

>being this wrong about everything stated
Oblivion lacked some of the features that Morrowind had and had level scaling. Thats about it in terms of blandness. Hell, one can say that Morrowind is bland because you have a wall of fog 20 meters away from your char and most of the landscape is ash. Doesnt make it true.
>Skyrim
>one fucking ring
>enchanted loot is garbage
>enchanted effects are restricted to certain pieces
>no interesting enchantment effects
There, there is your "bland". In Morrowind and Oblivion you could fuck around with enchants and make some nifty shit right there. In Skyrim its the most boring, devoid of any creativity iteration of the skill.
And worst of all, Skyrim has no spellcrafting. The WORST fucking offence on par with level scaling that Oblivion had.
Fuck you, fuck people like you.

Also
>going back to oblivion, most of the minor cities feels kind of dead, and most of the Imperial city I rarely have reason to visit at all
How can one person be this retarded? Skyrim doesnt even hold a fucking candle to Oblivion's cities, let alone Imperial City. Doesnt mean they are great - they should have had more content and stuff to do, developing further from stuff Morrowind had. But to say that its worse than fucking Skyrim? You deserve a fair spanking.

> Whaa I miss easy mode spellcrafting.
Just turn the difficulty down if you are challenge averse.

is eso worth it? is it any good?

It's extremely okay. Not a great MMO and not a very good TES game. Play it only if you're looking for a time sink and crave more Elder Scrolls.

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I hated Skyrim back when it was shown on E3 in 2011. I hated it when it came out. I spat fire when bastards delayed creation kit release for it so modders had to make their own one. The game was an abomination, and it was bloody obvious. And fuck you too, you piece of guar shit.
>that fucking gamejam
That was pissing right in the face of the fanbase
>no spears
>no crossbows
>no spellmaking
Its engine limitations
>release dlc that has crossbows
Yeah right.

Is Daggerfall really that good?

Its an MMO. The only things that are worth anything there are exploration, story, lore and thieving. Everything else is MMO - grind, imbalance, more grind and retarded combat mechanics.

Not really. I mean, its the possibilities that it offers in terms of char building, development and progression (and shit you can do with your char - lycantropy that is not just being limited to a werewolf, spellmaking and enchanting, thieving), but overworld is horrible, dialogue makes Morrowind look not like wikipedia simulator and comabt is atrocious. Dungeon delving is beyond glorious. On a bright note, it has plenty of lewdness and sexy looking sprites.

Morrowind wasn't hard but the gameplay was unrewarding until later in the game when you could one shot people and fly across the map. That's the beauty of the dice mechanic but it starts out not being able to hit a mudcrab. The only things the players were rewarded was world building and story. And by the time you get to being able to fly and one shot things you were already only invested in the world. Now you feel like a god in it.

It sounds like Oblivion or Skryim were your first games if you think Morrowind was boring because your first and only reaction seems to be about gameplay mechanics. Sad.

They added level scaling so you can explore the map at any pace you want. No grind needed.

Being able to one shot EVERYTHING is the problem with late game Morrowind.Nothing being able to hurt you is the other.
You can get to the point you can't drown as a non argonian without needing waterbreathing.

Playing 100% chameleon in Oblivion was fun for a minute before it got boring. End game Morrowind is like that.

And yes I think gameplay is important.

Issue with level scaling is that you have no chance to feel either underpowered ro overpowered. Meaning there is no way to engage in a risky tactic to gain advantage over enemies.
Its a consistent, "bland" pacing.
Id rather take those as options available to me than them being absenst because some retard gets upset about his char becoming and godlike entity and thus invincible.
Fuck you.
And on another note: in Bloodmoon, werewolf will tear you new assholes no matter what. So much for "nothing can hurt you". Thats the fucking point of becoming strong as fuck - nothing can hurt you. Its the journey to that point. And no, unless you minmax the fuck out and deliberately exploit shit, you dont become godlike too fast.

Can you play on ps4 with your pc character as you please?

Let's be honest here. Most people don't min/max their character in Morrowind their first play through to be able to be godlike. You have to know the mechanics inside and out. And by the time you do you've definitely got your money's worth of the game. But clearly the drive to that initially was the world and lore. Something Obliv and Skyrim sadly lack. ESO is the only one that has great world building in comparison.

I enjoy gameplay too that's why I hate coda and other fan fic. It's about living it out. And with that I believe vice versa is true too. Gameplay is only fun if it leads somewhere. Morrowind gameplay makes you feel like the Nereverine from the prophecy coming true.

It's not a tactics game it's a role playing game.

Building a "proper" character in oblivion is just tedious bullshit you have to level everything backwards and grind to get that +5 every level

Yes the DLC added a more aggressive Oblivion style scaling to fix the problem of nothing being dangerous.
I had moved on from Morrowind by the time the DLCs came out so I can only speak to the vanilla game.

I think ps4 uses the Sony account only. But I'm not entirely sure as its been a while since I checked that kind of stuff out.

Yeah, and one of the roleplaying choices is to go for that ebony bow rather than stick with iron one for the next two levels.
No you dont. You level what you need to level. You only do "backleveling" if you want to minmax like a retard and want an easy game/no challenge constantly. And at endgame, you have immunity to magick (resis/reflect/absorb) and physical damage (100 armor/physical reflect).

You don't need to min max to be OP. The game hand out artifacts like candy. You have like 80 wearable slots. In later games you had to choose between armor or robes. Morrowind said "Why not both?".
The only thing that could stop you from being OP was you. That took some doing.