1. the depiction of physically impossible structures, machines, conditions, beings, and so forth 2. dealing, usually in discrete ways, with occulded aspects of human sexuality, without moralizing, and even often depicted in a positive light 3. the depiction of mental illness and unstable realities 4. depictions of broken worlds 5. unhappy endings and unhappy themes throughout 6. being called "deep", "artistic", "beautiful", "worthy of analysis" despite being infantile 7. having praise for being "good" by critics and the general public, showing their appetite for perverse depictions
Examples include: Nier: Automata Metal Gear Solid V Final Fantasy XV Halo: Reach Kingdom Hearts: 358/2 Days Death Stranding Metroid Prime 2
sex evil! human sexuality not positive!! you disgusting pervert!!!
Carter Nguyen
It's important. Items to be included in this genre should have an impact in the collective consciousness, and generally expose the public's hypocrisy by their enjoyment of a media which conflicts with mainstream cultural mores.
Nier: Automata >the androids and machines are physically impossible creatures by standards of modern science. Impossible structures appear in the game world MGSV >Metal Gears defy physics. Many of the events and abilities of characters like the Skulls Parasite Unit are physically impossible FFXV >characters use magick abilities, physically impossible mecha, rock formations, etc. 1. takes the definition of "perverse" to its most literal possible meaning: anything "unreal" or "twisted" in the sense of being unlike reality
>2. dealing, usually in discrete ways, with occulded aspects of human sexuality, without moralizing, and even often depicted in a positive light >including denial (physical and psychological), rape, homosexuality, transexuality, pedophilia (usually homosexual), the predatory sexuality of adult females towards male children, sex slaves, mutilation, necrophilia, and so forth.
Justin Brooks
A genre by definition cannot be characterized by anything but what is present in the work itself
Brandon Murphy
>Everything I don't like must not have any valid praise Nier: Automata might not be at the cutting edge of philosophy, but I guarantee your favorite game is absolute surface-level shit aand that you've never actually read even one of "babby's first philosopher"'s works
That you think it's infantile and "unworthy of analysis" while providing no reason to entertain such claims
Josiah Lopez
>presents an idea >doesn't want to defend it Guess you just want to get jacked off or something, you should probably try a different website
Matthew Flores
While I do think Nier: Automata is infantile, which it is, popular opinion is that it is, in fact, deep and worthy of analysis. Popular opinion, in this case, is correct.
Just because it's infantile doesn't mean it's not great.
Andrew Diaz
actually i'm going to jack him off and you can't stop me
Jonathan Martin
>says the guy arguing like he's from the reddit skeptic community
>Just take my word for it I'm so smart >Isn't it funny how you can call literally anything shallow or vapid and sound like you know what you're talking about
Justin Brooks
You seem pretty knowledgeable about reddit, you should probably go back there
I have no idea what you're saying. Are you retarded?
Most items that fall into this genre are science fiction, yes, but not all science fiction falls into this genre.
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Oliver Torres
Is this the House of Targaryens?
Nathan Martin
>Lacks basic reading comprehension Yeah, it's a no from me, dawg
Jaxon Cook
Or your just incoherent.
Austin Anderson
nah I understood what he was saying, he was criticizing you just mindlessly throwing out criticisms and conclusions without making any actual arguments for them
Nathan Campbell
Thanks user. I'm glad there is some people with some actual sense on this website.
Elijah Hall
>2. dealing, usually in discrete ways, with occulded aspects of human sexuality, without moralizing, and even often depicted in a positive light how in the fuck does this apply to kingdom hearts?
Elijah Cox
Just move to China OP, I've heard it's illegal to show skeletons in movies there.
Zachary James
All media is in fact perverse and created indirectly by Iblis, promoting dehenerate ideas like evolution, idolatry and being married to one person.
The single media you need in your like is a book named Al Quran.
Christian Cox
Art "critique" is the lowest of the low. You warp genuine creation with irresponsible, biased "rationality". It's frankly fucking disgusting. Kill yourself and take your mental garbage with you. Incoming weaseling. The answer to everything you say is no because the idea behind you talking in the first place is antithetical to truth and humanity.
Alexander Martinez
Homosexual romance, romance between minors Just because you liked it as a kid, doesn't mean it isn't taboo
>everyone immediately sees the word perverse and assumes I mean "bad" >meanwhile I'm over here jacking off
Check out this image of the prophet Mohammad (blessed be he)
who was homosex? romance between minors isnt taboo, its the most classic media there is. romeo and juliet, fucking boomers' favorite: Grease. i think you have autism if you think romance between minors is in any way abnormal either irl or through media portrayal
Owen Sullivan
>1. the depiction of physically impossible structures, machines, conditions, beings, and so forth This is just fantasy you fucking retard
Tyler Fisher
>who was homosex Roxas and Axel. Sora and Riku in the main games. >romance between minors isnt taboo in shitty countries and some communities it is. every country where the age of consent was raised to 18 has suffered declining birth rates. "Perverse media" can challenge taboo
Jordan Rivera
the worst part about this thread is that this OP is so far up his ass that he's going to think all the people shitting on him for being a pseud just don't understand what he's saying or some similar shit
he does this a lot too because he can't actually defend any of his ideas
Nathan Perez
you can say anything is taboo if you count small fringe communities ideas of what is taboo. age of consent doesnt punish minors for having sex, it punishes adults that have sex with minors, though usually with some leeway within a certain agespan of eachother. anyway, we're talking romance, i dont remember any implicit banging going on in kingdom hearts.
>i totally could argue i just dont feel like it whatever you need to tell yourself, there's no material difference to anybody else
Aiden Johnson
Interesting post OP thanks for making a better thread than every retard trashing you ever has
Kayden Turner
there's no fucking substance to OP's post read >having praise for being "good" by critics and the general public, showing their appetite for perverse depictions and tell me how something like that would make or define a genre. i think OP is unaware there is such a genre as surrealism
Dylan Lopez
I'm not even saying I could argue. It's just that arguing is not what I am here for and not what I am doing.
>another Yea Forums buzzword This is another attempt at forcing shit like "nufun" and "basedfun" isn't it?
Aaron Robinson
Yeah it seems like sometimes people come up with interesting-sounding but flawed ideas, post them here, and then when anons point out the flaws and they don't have an answer they just retreat into braindead shitposting. It's pretty disappointing.
Oliver Clark
Define fiction for yourself
Jaxon Sanders
Nigga Halo is the most sterile sexless franchise in the industry besides Resident Evil, the fuck is Reach being dragged into this for?
>new genre >that kingdom hearts game is 10 years old
>video game genres are defined by their mechanics >OP posts ideas, themes, visuals, and critical response
Logan Green
part of the genre is that it is, usually intentionally, catering to audiences unconscious desires. I know surrealism exists, some surrealist works fall into this genre, but not all surrealism is "perverse media"
feel free to be constructive at any time
OP
>kidnapping children, brainwashing, the creation of child soldiers and its implications, sexual impulse redirected towards violence, anal imagery (the Flood), assimilation and tentacle fantasies, androgynous dragon fetish imagery (elites), ... the list goes on from there ...
New as in, starting around the 60's with MKULTRA and 2001: A Space Odyssey Games are constantly classified by their themes (Sci-fi, Fantasy, Life Sim, historical sim, etc.) And, games can be art, user
Dylan Williams
brave
Ryan Roberts
Alright here's something constructive for you, calling things infantile and then using circular logic to pretend it isn't an insult is not very convincing and you should stop doing it if you want to be taken seriously
>the depiction of physically impossible structures, machines, conditions, beings, and so forth So science fiction?
Joseph Murphy
ugly bitches
Andrew Campbell
Look, baby boy, Nier: Automata is an infantile, juvenile fantasy about a big titty robot and her shota boytoy traipseing around with giant swords, running at 50kph, and fighting alien robots that look like grumpy wind up toys.
You can recognize Nier: Automata for the infantile waifu pandering that it is, and still enjoy it, and have it on your 3x3 like I do. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive for people with IQ over room temperature.
I'll ask the real questions. Why does lightening have larger tits than 2B?
Easton Perry
Even if it's not bait, it seems designed with the intent of "things one group likes good, things other group likes bad" mentality that seems pretty common these days
Nathan Gomez
I don't give a fuck about your personal opinion about nier automata you retard, jesus christ if you really think that's what my post was actually saying then good luck graduating highschool next year because you're going to need it
Leo Allen
Everyone seems to lapse into dualistic thinking. OP isn't sorting things into categories or trying to create unnecessary divisions.
Someone is pissed I called Nier: Automata out for being the infantile fantasy that it is. Funny how you back track as soon as you're revealed to be a psued
Jayden Morris
It isn't an insult if it's true, and not meant as one. Fucking brainlet
Henry Sanchez
>feel free to be constructive at any time Why bother when you can't even take people pointing out that you're using the word genre incorrectly without pissing your pants
Nathaniel Bell
Goddamn OP you sound like a boring bastard if you think any of those things are bad.
Who say's I'm using the word genre incorrectly? By what analysis? What if I am using it correctly, and you just don't like thinking?
Bentley Bailey
>a category of artistic composition, as in music or literature, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter. OP is using it correctly. Ignore these plebs.
Cameron Ortiz
Literally any definition of the word, and I don't think you want to open a "language is subjective" can of worms when you keep going on about the definition of the word perverse. Critical reception simply cannot define a genre and if you want criticism that's probably the most straightforward, objective, easily-remedied criticism you could possible get. When you refuse to accept it you're obviously not going to accept anything else either.
Language be subjective doe. It evolves and changes over tiem. If ya want to pull out the dictomranry mon, perverse does = bad, but OP is tryna change it to mean da good mon. Must be some accelarationist clown world shit mon
Robert Reed
Fuck, I think he succeded. I get a sick joy out of watching this thread.
Colton Harris
>all these pseuds coming in expecting to argue with OP when he's clearly said he's not doing that shit >proceeds to shit on them in the most lazy way possible this is actually next level crazy wisdom
