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If Hero is soooooo OP and broken then why did Joker win?

lol @ you

Who's idea was it to basically take Sheik, give her a knife, a gun for gimping instead of needles, a counter that is better than basically any other counter, and the ability to gain more kill power than the average character for roughly 1/3 the time?

Smashcon is next weekend. I look forward to Hero shenanigans

>DLC character wins
>MUH PAY2WIN

He’s not even that good I wreck Jokers all the time
It’s more that MKleo is good at the game

I don't think I'll ever understand why Smash players are the ones that always get so angry over this stuff. Every game at EVO has dlc characters that are good, Fighterz this year was almost entirely full of Bardock.

It's almost like they want people to spend money for a powerful character or something.

Why even bother with Hero, Banjo, Kazooie, and the 2 remaining fighters? The fighter's pass should've been a bunch of Jokers.

i don't get this meme. if he was broken everyone would be using him, yet leo is literally the only top representative for him.

It's quite literally the player.

If this were the case, everyone would have used him. It's just Leo.

Wasn't Bayo DLC during Sm4sh and she won?

This. There were no other Jokers in the top 32

I like how everyone ignores him getting outplayed by Megaman

Leo is literally too good. If was maiming Lucina tonight the results would probably be even more one sided.

Joker's good, but that was Tweek shitting the bed. Switching off stage, knowing full fucking well Leo is aggressive as shit off stage is straight up retarded and pretty much lost him the championship.

>if he's so OP why aren't there any other Jokers stomping shit?
Because he's very hard to get good at. But once you do, he's insanely powerful. It's not rocket science

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no no STOP, NO, NOT TWEEK, HE'S MY BOY

Why don't fighting games have bans? Genuine question

>summons arsene
>wins

Nothing personel kid

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I mean it's not like you can take a character like Duck Hunt or Mega man and just switch to Joker over night. If you are reaching top 64 are you going to all of sudden change your gameplay style to fit the new meta?

There is a reason the person playing him best is also a person who main'd Lucina.

Tweek got mindfucked hard and him making reckless plays like that flareblitz shit is what made him lose.

Tweek was getting teary eyed fucking kek

Leo is the only guy getting results like this with Joker. He's a good character, but not an insta-win broken character

>hard as fuck to hit
>has good recovery, so you're not killing him unless he's over like 100%
>if you ever hit him you give him meter, making his recovery even better and giving him the best counters in the game
>has a KNIFE
HOW CAN YOU BEAT THIS MAN?

JOHN

>the best race on this continent
Not even that. Absolutely not in the whole world, either. How can your people be so great if you’ve got drug cartels shooting up your kids all the time? Do you even have money there?

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Joker was the most represented character in Pools.
Not the most successful, but he's certainly a popular choice.

>carried by a dlc character
>Mexico can't even win at the game based off their most popular religion

are just ignoring the three games where tween completely run over leo and read him like a fucking magazine? tweek got impatient and definitely couldn't keep up with leo you can see in the later games he was going for slower less crazy stuff
joker (leo's joker) became very predictable and tweek took advantage of that until he ran out of gas

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Yes, usually when the number one player in the world have success with a character people try to imitate him. Remember that month where there were nothing but wolves because of Zackray? It alternates.

Dios mio... is this the “master race” these spics that crawled out from under a rock in the desert keep claiming they are a part of?

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FOOKIN

Yeah if it was MKLeo but I meant that Joker is not that good and I can consistently wreck their shit.

Based Jojojorge Falcon jr, winning smash at burgerland

MKLeo more like MKFeo

MkLeo was the only player to make Top 32 with Joker.

People who make these kinds of threads watch top 8 at best. More likely they just hear about how grand finals went and use that to shitpost.

Yes that logic is completely okay.

leo was the only joker in top 32

>/pol/
bitch Yea Forums got dilated in smash by cosmo of all people.

I wonder why. Could it be because people think the number 1 player's character is broken? That's always how it is.

I mean, yeah? Fox in melee is broken but its ok because he's hard to play. I don't see a fault in that logic.

Tweek, go to sleep already

Yeah, but unlike Bayo in Sm4sh only one Joker made it into top 8.

>Jorge Falcon Jr

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>Melees balance is ok

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>Joker gets nerfed
>MKLeo moves on to some other character and keeps winning
>that character gets nerfed
>MKLeo moves on to yet another character and keeps winning
>so on and so forth, with Yea Forums threads at every step saying whatever he uses is OP and deserves nerfs
I have seen the future.

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Its already happened with his previous mains of Wolf and Ike, and notice how no to player uses Ike anymore/

>roll a guy two games in a row up to his last stock
>oh, whoops, the comeback mechanic kicked in and now he can make it back and win evo fine
never going to take smash at evo seriously

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>smash team making balance changes based on actual tournaments where balance matters most
unlikely

>Wins your game

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This, Yea Forums can't accept Leo dominated by being mentally cold and ruthless. Having too much estrogen in your food will lead to emotional mistakes

Did no one watch pools? There were like a dozen jokers on stream and more than half of them lost terribly. Meanwhile just one makes it to top 32.

Don't bother arguing. It's been a year and everyone's forgotten what a truly broken character looks like

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SO THEN

WHY

THE FUCUUCUCICKCKCKKKK

DOES

Yea Forums

KEEP

FUCKING

SAYING

THAT

HE

IS

BROKEN????????

>All these people using the fact they they have beat a scrub joker online as fact that the character is not broken
>But only Leo does good with joker so he's fine

Results don't prove or disprove a characters tier or how good they are. Joker has great damage both with and without Arsene, with Arsene mode having more single hit power and non having amazing combos. He has a great projectile that is safe to use and offers many different option, he's fast, he has amazing recovery allowing him to chase and go crazy offstage while freely making it back, he has the literal best counter in the game ect ect, the list goes on and on.

A character being difficult does not mean they should be broken. Even if very few players have the capability to maximize joker, if his maximum potential is higher than other characters he needs a nerf. You balance based on the best not the shitters.

>Lima
>CaptainZack
>Mistake

Fucking kek, where are these people now?

Because Yea Forums is now worse than reddit.

pozzing each other in gay furry orgies of the lowest tiers

This right here

not entirely true. harder heroes should have a higher potential than braindead heroes
but then, the strangest garbage picks are viable at low elo

Are people really this retarded? Using him doesn't automatically get you a win, if that's true then why wasn't everyone using him?

Joker can't basically use counter to safely recover. Fucking MKLeo was doing that all set in grand finals, but when I try to do the same shit with Little Mac I get fucked because his counter last so long it makes him whiff his recovery. Load of bullshit honestly.

Anyone who doesn't see this issue with joker is too shortsighted. If he doesn't get nerfed, eventually other top players will take the time to learn him and we will end up back in smash 4 with bayo. Yes, joker isn't a character you can learn overnight. It takes a lot of work. But with enough time, people will put in that work and every single fucking tournament will be joker vs joker.

Please no, he's not a speedrunner so he's slightly more mentally stable right?

You realize Leo was in losers right? He just lost to Marss last week too. He's clearly a beatable character, Tweek almost beat him too. He just choked on game three.

They're just fucking seething that Leo is playing so far ahead of everybody that they want to blame the character for being OP even though everyone else can use him as well.

That does however put into perspective the fact that only MKLeo was the unique Joker user at EVO, while Fox, Wolf, Lucina were bigger in numbers.
Also the fact Leo was sent to Losers by a Megaman main.
And Leo was one stock away from losing GFs.

It's not rocket science, Joker is not OP, but Leo and Joker are like an hamburger with a milkshake, they mix perfectly for a date; or in this case, Leo makes Joker a monster.

relax, he has a girlfriend
and he never took part in any messy and embarrassing smash drama, like those bayonetta players from sm4sh

>Everyone says Joker is broken SSS tier
>Literally only 1 (one) (uno) (un) (mot) Joker in top 32

I remember everyone saying Ike was broken when Leo was smashing with him too, but now everyone conviently ignores it. Leo is already showing cracks losing to ZSS and Megaman twice.

And I meant MKLeo was the only Joker user in EVO's Top 32.

You realize Leo won from Loser’s right

Tweek frankly got lucky to get so close. So many stars had to align. Why would tweek keep doing that, trying to rely on a miracle run when he .ca. just learn joker too? Give it time and you will see the other jokers start popping up.

Oh l*rd, and to think some of those fags were having dirty bumsex during breaks and getting angry at each other during duos, probably blackmailing the other with sex or blowjob abstinence
Fags are such girls. They bring girl drama to an otherwise male environment

What kind of characters are these and why have they solved Evo for 3 years straight?

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I don't care for MKleo (literally no personality), but I have to admit his play was immaculate. Once he downloaded Tweek he got all the right spot dodges, the right ledge traps, and mindgamed the fuck out of him. Seeing those beautiful back airs punishing Tweek's predictable pokemon switches was jaw dropping.

Imagine when people fully learn Hero and how to manipulate the RNG
The matches are gonna be insane if he isn't banned

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Joker hasn't been out that long and he's very hard to play. People will pick him up eventually.

Joker is not good, MKLeo is good. Huge difference. Joker is solid B tier at best, at BEST.

And you left out the part where most of those Jokers drowned in pools in awful fashion. Wonder why that is, user?

I mean PT just got buffed so i don't think Tweek is gonna drop him just yet.

Except that people already have now
You fucking stupid retard.

I will gladly take hero over joker. Hero is by definition exciting to watch because of the randomness. Joker is the same campy play into arsene every game.

People are already picking him up, but no one has seen the same success. However when Leo was dominating with Ike there were ton of one tricks showing up (both online and locals).

I just don't see it desu. We won't see a Bayo situation either since Joker will get nerfed for sure now.

Leo was hardly camping. He was literally jumping into Tweek's ass that entire set.

Charizard got stronger but ivy got nerfed. Hard t say if it's an upgrade.

Dude, Joker is an easy top tier, but that said I believe he's far from broken.

>Joker is the same campy play into arsene every game.
Did you even watch GF? mkleo's joker is different to quite literally every single other Joker in that he plays aggro as fuck in normal mode. In fact I'd almost say mkleo's Arsense mode looks sloppy as fuck in comparison.

No, it isn't. Joker dies in like three hits from anyone and it's incredibly easy to gimp his recovery by getting him offstage right before Arsene runs out. It's literally a free stock if you do and it happens to me at least once every time I play him.

>leo
>camping until arsene

Are you a fucking idiot?

Top players like Tsu and Stroder have tried maining Joker but they arent nearly as good as Leo.

I can't imagine having reasoning skills this weak. I'd need a serious blow to the head to come close to thinking like this.

All he does is fish for up air strings over and over until he gets Arsene unless he can edgeguard. It's a really simple playstyle but it's hard to counter because if you try to poke out joker he gets his "I win" button.

If Joker is so busted, why was Leo the only one playing him in top 32?

>leo
>Arsene camping

Literally the only reason leo won was because he DIDN'T camp and challenge squirtle/ivysaur outside of Arsene. Literally every other Pools Joker drowned against Tweek because they tried to camp him out (impossible against Squirtle).

IIRC, characters that are newly released sometimes aren't allowed to be played in tournaments because players haven't had time to develop proper strategies with/against them.

I looked through all of the top contenders, and none of them played as Hero, so either nobody wanted to use Hero because they were afraid of how he'd handle a tournament, or Hero was just straight-up banned for being too new.

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There are only like 8 players who can actually win a smash major without some kind of a miracle. 1 of those players only plays peach and will never change. It's not out of the question to think the other 6 players simply don't want to play joker. Maybe they don't enjoy his playstyle or don't think it suits them.

they were using a patch before 4.0 when hero dropped

The update just came out Thursday. None of the matches at Evo were even being played on the latest update.

Fox in melee has infinite potential when using at TAS level, that doesn't mean he's broken as fuck and it needs to be banned.

Wanna know why Leo is literally the only person winning as Joker? It's because he's still the only one that goes balls to wall as Base Joker.

Seriously, everyone else is just way too passive and it's really easy to punish that hard.

That scared me man fuck you

>bayo
>bayo
>joker (because bayo isn't dlc anymore)

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I wish Tweek won so much. This is such a fucking let down. One hit from victory but mkleo had to fuck everything up. Real salt.

This could happen with literally any character that gets results.

there's also the argument that in certain match ups, Arsene makes his recovery noticeably worse

>Maybe they don't enjoy his playstyle or don't think it suits them.
Or they're just not as good? There's plenty of household names like Tweek and Nairo who play lots of different characters yet none of them match Leo's success. When Bayo was released only a month later literal-whos started appearing in top 32s.

I guess you can say we never saw it coming

Literally don't know what you're talking about dude. Leo arguably plays better with base joker than with Arsen. He doesn't hesitate whether or not Arsene is online.

The EVO patch deadline was july 17th. If they released him on that day or before they would have used 4.0. The results would have been incredibly different. I'm content with what we got, though. Shit was great. Smash Con is the closest major coming in like 4 days and will use 4.0.

>Not even one Ridley in the top 128
What the fuck went wrong holy shit

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Tweek even tried to run Joker, but had no success with him.

Cool hosters. MKLEO Champion !!!

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Seriously Leo is a joy to watch. He goes hard and sometimes he gets smashed for it, but usually he pops off. Compare him to any Pools Joker on Friday and you can see a world's difference in skill and playstyle.

>Abloobloo if character is busted, why isn't EVERYBODY playing him
The same reason why every shitter didn't just win by picking up Jigglypuff in melee
Are you really going to stand here and pretend Jigglypuff wasn't absolutely busted? Only one who could play her properly was Hbox, right?
Surely by that logic, Jigglypuff is completely fair.

Nairo is the perfect example dude. He continues to main Palu even though there are better characters.

That may change with his buffs now. Patch 3.1.0 was played in EVO, not 4.0.0. Besides, we got a year until EVO 2020 for Ridley to rise.

it was pre 4.0 patch, so no ridley buffs. we might see him in higher ranks but that entirely depends on how much people are willing to pick him up.

Mkleo was the only joker in top 64. Hes just the best player in the world and can make any character look busted

the thing is, the optimal way to play Joker isn't just be the slowest, most annoying piece of shit possible

This is the guy who dropped ZSS due to heavy nerfs from Tr4sh.

Also not an example considering he has plenty of pocket pickets, but still doesn't see success lol

I mean let's just break this down on a simple level. Even if you do legitimately think joker isn't overpowered and Leo is just that good - is it healthy for smashes competitive scene if Leo continues to play joker forever and win 90% of matches and 100% of tournaments with It? Don't you think people will eventually stop watching?

Leo lost a major literally just last week, user.

I just wish someone will kick his ass (in game) at last so that tournaments can become exciting again.

I mean, he's the number one player in the world for a reason. If Joker is no longer working for him, he'll just find another character.

You can't nerf Leo.

>It's because he's still the only one that goes balls to wall as Base Joker.
>pick stage with platforms
>Up-B into instant Upsmash everytime
>Edgeguard with Eiha and B-air
>If by some miracle you end up offstage, tether is long enough to save you from BLAST ZONE (you can't even debate this, we fucking saw it happen)

THE BUTTHURT IS REAL HAHHA

He got beaten pretty badly by Kameme in bracket and he lost 2 sets to Marss last week.

Players were much closer to him when he was playing other characters.

Got btfo by Megaman yesterday and lost to Marss last week.

Cope.

>I can't handle the truth, therefore you must be retarded
The irony.

That doesn't make my statement any less true
Shitters will flock to what is strong, but just because they don't win with it doesn't mean it can't be broken

>gimp
Nigger, he can recover from the bottom of the blast zone even without Arsene.

>>Up-B into instant Upsmash everytime
Those accounted for less than 10% of his kills in the GF set.

If it really was as easy as you claim why are there no other Jokers in top 64 when he's so easy to flowchart?

That was also in the beginning of the game's life cycle though.

my Atlus bois are finally in the limelight
hope to god they can keep the ball rolling and have SMT become just as popular

Lima quit, CaptainZack will probably flee tthe country and mistake still plays

Megaten > Pokemon

Okay even if we don't agree on joker being overpowered surely we can at least agree he could use changes (not just a nerf). I wouldn't mind if they buffed base form and nerfed arsene so it evened out and he didn't lose strength. That way he would be more fun to play against and watch. And this is totally something they could do because they just nerfed ivysaur while buffing charizard so they've done this before.

Zack's been found out for match fixing after being in an illegal relationship with Ally. Up until then he was still playing and not doing too badly, but that probably has something to do with the aforementioned match fixing.

I mean people are winning with Jigglypuff besides Hbox though. There was a Melee major recently where the top 8 was like 5 Jigglies

>have SMT become just as popular
It better fucking not
Do you really want the persona crowd ruining SMT as well?

>I wouldn't mind if they buffed base form and nerfed arsene so it evened out and he didn't lose strength.

Lol Leo would be even better. He's expressed distaste for Arsene and has said that hes practically useless in certain matchups

So satisfying!

ZSS wasn't nerfed that hard, just her playstyle changed. He even says he might go back to her; probably due to marss success though

>Buffing base joker
user, you're really sleeping on that Up-B Up-smash combo huh

I don't give a shit how strong Leo is, arsene just isn't fun to watch. It's not enjoyable to have one player essentially not play the game and just try to hide for 30 seconds. Don't say it doesn't happen, there was a point in the grand finals where Leo got arsene and tweek just sat off the ledge regrabbing it over and over. Buff base joker i dont give a shit just make arsene less of an i win button.

This. Leo's actually worse with Arsene if you pay attention.

If they nerf Joker even slightly people will realize how poorly designed he is. Almost all his moves are recycled animations from other characters, the only thing unique about him is going super satan every few seconds. It builds passively you dont even do anything.
If they nerf normal Joker, every game becomes just dancing around until Arsene pop's up
If they nerf Arsene, his one unique thing becomes less important to playing him.

>*randomly throws hitboxes in your path*

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Again i dont care about leos strength i just want the opponent to keep fighting back even when arsene comes out while right now they either just run away or try to poke.

Her playstyle really didn't change. You just can't go unga bunga retard anymore. If you watch Marss he actually plays very close to Nairo's old style whereas Palutena is a lot slower and methodical which doesn't fit his style at all. Nairo is a washed-up shitter that couldn't make Joker work if his life depended on it.

>six burguers is that much
Even in Mexico, six dollars is not that much

>here was a point in the grand finals where Leo got arsene and tweek just sat off the ledge regrabbing it over and over
And he got punished hard and died once Leo downloaded his gameplan. Are you forgetting all the times Tweek killed Leo in spite of Arsene during the first three games? This was purely a "downloaded" moment, nothing else.

Well that's fine, but don't complain when Leo wins even more.

No retard. Knee has been winning Tekken since forever until this EVO Jap and people just liked the high tier play. Smash babies you guys are a bunch of retards.

The only good way to nerf base joker to me is to increase up air knockback very slightly and remove it's ability to drag players down. A lot of kills from Leo past two days just from doing that to instantly up smash through platforms.

Even if Joker isn’t OP as some people claim, the one thing I hope we can agree on is that base Joker’s rope is absolutly retarded. We saw it in action in the match agaisnt Duck Hunt where Raito completely outplayed him but it didn’t matter because Leo recovered from the utmost bottom of the blast zone with his rope.

I had no complaints about Leo when he was playing ike wolf or Lucina. I just don't like joker as a character. I don't find him fun to watch right now and I hope they will either nerf him so I don't have to watch him or change him to be more fun to watch by shifting power away from the I win button.

smoothbrain idolater

There is no "i win button", Tweek deserved to lose. He was outplayed.

I'm done with this conversation. I made it clear like 5 times I don't give a shit who wins I just want the games to be exciting to watch and I don't personally find the arsene mechanic fun to watch.

>"I win button"
>When Anons in this thread have explained multiple times Leo won outside of Arsene mode

Yikes

Joker is phenomenally good. When he first released and everyone was playing him, you could absolutely not play anyone slower than Inklings and still win at higher levels. Joker is fucking insane. He shits out damage like Peach, he's got Ganondorf's kill power, he's got Roy's speed, he's got the air speed of Yoshi, and he doesn't even have bad range.

The character is busted as hell. Arsene needs to be less common than Limit or KO punch, since he's better than both combined.

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I'll be sure to tell sakurai user, jesus christ.

>I don't personally find the arsene mechanic fun to watch.
And this is without people exploiting the fact arsene has a time limit, imagine if people started stalling and camping hard against him

I'd agree here. The recovery is easily the safest in the game and makes literally 0 sense why it is as large as it is when recovering. Defeats the whole "Joker is frail but strong with arsene" gimick when he is easier to kill with arsene out.

>stalling against Arsene mode
You saw Tweek try that and how badly it ended up. Ironically he did better when he fought Arsene head on and confirmed kills instead of playing like a bitch.

It's because arsene is a guaranteed stock so your best option is to at least trade some damage before you die.

>mkleo winning evo with joker
this is the worst timeline

>he's got the air speed of Yoshi,
No, he doesn't. His air speed is middle of the road, and while his run speed is comparable to Roy, Roy isn't even top 10 fastest.

>Guaranteed stock
>When Tweek was taking stocks off of Arsene with Charizard until Leo downloaded him

He totally collapsed after game 3 and you could see it if you weren't braindead.

they didnt use the patch that hero came out in for evo dumbass

Imagine being this invested in the tier list for a party game

He doesn't really need to be faster even. The only legit "fast" top tier is ZSS and joker is very much capable of keeping up with her

He's also pretty weighty. Considering the rest of his kit, he should weigh barely more than ZSS or Sheik, two comparable characters. Joker takes way too long to die.

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Heh, so many easy (You)'s. All too easy.

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I think it just highlights how much momentum you need to beat a joker. Joker is always in control by default so you have to up the pace and take it to him at mach 5. As soon as that momentum dropped he was done.

It encourages base joker to go for off stage plays to secure early kills, while losing it with arsene gives the opponents something to exploit to counteract his boost in power and range.

As an addendum: I don't think Joker is the best character in the game, but he's top 5 easily, and he's significantly eaier to play than Peach/Daisy/Pokemon Trainer/Olimar/Mega Man. The only top tiers I'd consider easier to play than him are Snake and Wario, and I'd put Inkling about on par. It's just that any work you put into a top tier would be best spent on him considering he sweetspots the difficulty::reward function

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> Joker is always in control by default so you have to up the pace and take it to him at mach 5
No that's just Leo. He's literally the only Joker in the world to have an oppressive non-Arsene phase. Everyone else plays campy like Anons in this thread and Tweek eats them for dinner.

I'll forgive you if you post more cat

Joker is clearly not working as designed. He's supposed to be very weak normally and then the strongest character with arsene, that's the design. But Leo has found a way to make base joker a high tier character on his own. I doubt that was intentional when they made him.

>relax, he has a girlfriend
bet he's going to become his girlfriend's girlfriend

retard

Base Joker has always been stronger than Sheik. His character, since inception, has been Sheik that gets a Ganondorf strapped to her back every 70% damage she takes.

Underrated

It doesn't need to be crazy safe for it to do that. Every other character doesn't get safe options with that much range and they still go off-stage.

We've literally seen nothing of SMTV since it was confirmed under actual development, they're gonna miss the Switch boat and release when all the momentum is gone

It is kinda strange how safe it is yet how unsafe Arsene is (often to the point of being a free stock if you get him off stage during that mode). I'd nerf the tether and buff arsene for full invincibility up-B or something instead.

He's slow as fuck, bad recovery and huge hitboxes

Sort of yeah, I mean the way he played it was nuts.

An incredibly close game and then consistently using Arsene as an end of stock buff. Arsene used that way is a going fucking Super Saiyan, and absolutely wrecks.

Hero can be the exact same, if you manage be the best with his swordfighitng, where you can wipe the floor with every Marth you ever see, you will win Evo 2020.

MKLeo was down 0-2 but then started waking up with Tweek getting tilted hard

Careless switching off stage? Edge zone too long? That’s all on Tweek

Not to worry, now Leo can buy any bitch he wants with the prize money

>That game 6 where Tweek was camping on ledge for an entire minute until Leo came down with a tetrakarn
I couldn't stop laughing.

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It was working right up until he dropped too low to recover with an airdodge as charizard

Kinda hurt to watch, you knew the moment he dropped exactly what was going to happen

>All those Warios in top 10

So glad to see my guy take his rightful place among the clouds

Recover in general is too easy in this game.

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>1 (one) Joker player in top 8
>2nd highest placing Joker couldn't even break top 32

Tweek almost beat Leo, but Leo adjusted.

People used this same retarded argument for Puff in Melee and look how that turned out. Your character is broken, Leo being good doesn't negate that fact.

Only if you've got a tether

the only things about Joker I think merit serious change are recovery and latent Arsene buildup. You should pretty much rely on the counter to build it up rather than be able to have it as a mid-stock win option.

I don't follow Melee, but I thought Jigglypuff was always high tier.

>a bunch of wannabe Leos are gonna fucking flood QP now
>people getting beaten by them are going to complain and complain
>Joker gets nerfed to high hell in 4.1 all because some Mexican won an autism tournament
I've been playing Joker since he released because he's a fucking fun character and now memes are gonna fuck him up. Fuck Smash and fuck tourneyfags.

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Unless it's the Belmont's tether which whiff all the time or can get interrupted just by standing at the ledge.

Jigglypuff is in an awkward spot, strong character, but loses to the space animals. Except for HBox, who basically has the Puff v Space animal matchup locked down

I generally don't enjoy Puff play as a spectator, but god seeing arrogant spacie players getting bodied is pretty great

It really should activate closer to 100-120% instead of like 60-70% it does now. Currently it activates naturally exactly when you want it to.

She was, but there were some who believed she was the best character tied with Fox, and now it's basically a fact. Back then some people denied it though simply because Hbox was the only one winning with her. Now a bunch of shitters who used to go 0-2 are doing way better after switching to Puff. I guarantee the same shit will happen to Joker unless he gets tweaked.

Jesus Christ

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> I guarantee the same shit will happen to Joker unless he gets tweaked.
I mean you already saw how many Jokers drowned in pools at Evo this year. Mkleo also lost to a Megaman and ZSS, but mid-high tiers.

I think Joker is strong, but not near the Puff situation. Remember that Melee is a blatantly broken game. Until people start wanting ledge grab limits for Joker I wouldn't compare them.

Yeah it was only the character that let Leo come back.

Well done good sir

Agree, he gets it way too often and it's so much stronger than Little Mac's KO.

I bet you think you're a comedian, huh? I guess I'll call you Private Joker.

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Yeah it's weird literally every other Puff gets blown up spacies, but HBox seems to have them all downloaded and stored in his hard drive.

Although I don't think spacies are the best counter. I feel like people just overrate them too much.

I'd probably slow the build-up to 100%, where he's already at kill % for the majority of the cast.

I told you bros m2k would win

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Only MKLeo got far and he was already good at the game itself at the very start

People wouldn't mind puff if she was exciting to watch (which is why melee players wouldn't really mind fox vs fox every match), but puff creates an incredibly boring, campy style. Joker (MKLeo's, at least) puts out a bunch of flashy combos and movement tech even in his base form. I feel like people are forgetting about a few months ago when the meta was looking like olimar and snake. A meta around Joker is infinitely more exciting than that.

no shit, mkleo did the smart thing and had the single most autistic smashfag as basically his coach.

So how will they make Banjo broken if DLC powercreep continues?

Snake could be fun if the snake wasn't a pussy

Banjo will be garbage, unlike joker and hero, japan doesn't care to much about him. Chances are he will play like duck hunt.

If Joker is broken, why is there only one relevant player topping with him?

>tied with Olimar, Wario, and Pokemon Trainer for the most represented character in Top 32 (3 different players)
>Megaman player beat the #1 Ranked Player in the world, who was using Joker, who is arguably the best character in the game
When the fuck will they nerf this bullshit? Shitty players getting carried by fucking retard blue robot holy shit Sakurai please nerf.

only retards think he's broken. he's not, but he is really good

Most casuals die close to 100%, so it's fine from Sakurai's perspective.

based kameme. im glad he's still around.

kek

Literally the only move we've seen from them that looks in any way similar to Duck Hunt is the back air.

Joker ain't broken but he's really good. Arsen is really fucking strong for how easily he comes out.

>tfw sad that samsora lost but happy that peach will likely avoid the nerf hammer.
All eyes are on joker at this point.

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what the fuck happened to zero

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If it's that simple, why doesn't anyone else do it?

>Arsen is really fucking strong for how easily he comes out.

And here lies the issue. Joker can get Arsene in 5 to 10 seconds with one well placed rebel's guard and then he gets 30 whole seconds of Arsene just to smack players around. That thing shouldn't last that long. And joker shouldn't have 93 weight.

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>only 1 joker in top 32
>c-c-carried!!!

He's making more money streaming and clickbaiting on Youtube than he was competing.

only saw competing as a source of money i assume
why he streams for 8 hours a day now

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>is it healthy for smashes competitive scene if Leo continues to play joker forever and win 90% of matches and 100% of tournaments with It? Don't you think people will eventually stop watching?
People still watched Sm4sh when ZeRo was winning literally everything ever. Besides, Leo's Joker is an absolute joy to watch. Monstrous punish game on the flashiest top-tier in the game makes for some unforgettable sets.

Would Tweek have won if he wasn't so insistent on using Squirtle?

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The other thing that's annoying about Arsen is that he visually obscures what Joker is doing a lot of the time. That sort of shit absolutely infuriates me in fighting games, for example in SFV I felt a strong amount of disdain for Ibuki players because of their dumbass bomb Vtrigger that would blow up and completely conceal what they were doing behind it, like mixups are fine but shit like that that just blocks the screen visually is dumb.

tried to fight arsene head on too much when he could of kept cool and stalled it out

she needs no nerfs. she's perfectly fine as is and anyone who thinks otherwise is blind her back throw was overkill

This honestly. You know people were carried in smash 4 when no names started winning out of nowhere when bayonetta was around and combo'd people to death

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nerfing her back throw was overkill*

he was getting his shit rocked the most switching into charizard at bad times, so no. at least with squirtle he could rack up a bit of damage.

You're already a faggot if you haven't shunned Ultimate for the DLC shit in the first place.

Luckily they were kind enough to announce it prior to launch this time.

>Joker can get Arsene in 5 to 10 seconds with one well placed rebel's guard
Pretty much didn't even happen during GF set. Shouldn't happen if you're good enough to not be predictable like Tweek.

This also bugged me in T7. Items/costumes completely obscured limbs making fighting fighting some characters impossible to read since they look like flaming pinatas with extendo arms.

It's another layer to the mix up. Like how Broly can catch people off guard because his H and command grab have similar looking animations or the damn table from the china stage in 3S.

Visually similar moves is fine as a mixup, smoke and particle effects and shit making it literally impossible to see anything is not.

Yeah I can honestly get why fair got nerfed because that thing hit so damn hard(and still does. ) but the nerf to back throw seemed random. In the end I'm just glad she was compensated with the golf club buff so it's not laughably weak anymore.

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>Besides, Leo's Joker is an absolute joy to watch.
This. I'd take a million Joker wins over any Snake or Olimar. I remember every single time they were in a GF viewership would drop by at least 25%. Good riddance to those clowns.

Why is the prize pool so pathetic?

I doubt it. The Smash devs haven't really been looking at social media or tournament results when balancing Ultimate, instead opting to look at Elite Smash statistics. Even when they do nerf characters, they have not gutted anyone yet.
The worst nerfs a character has gotten so far is Pichu, and I still think people overstate how bad they were. Pichu is still very, very good.

>The worst nerfs a character has gotten so far is Pichu, and I still think people overstate how bad they were.
They're not overstated. Pichu use to straight up avoid many attacks because of its small size and ftilt being dumb. Nerfing those two(larger hurtbox) and then adding more recoil to attacks really did a number on it.

There was that one time during Smash 4 days when Sakurai was at a tourney in Japan where Aba was playing Meta Knight and Nairo was playing ZSS and he made a joke about they're ladder combos being dumb and that he was going to consider nerfing them

Which character is catholic other than Mario and Luigi and link

What was the prize pool for Ultimate?

>Besides, Leo's Joker is an absolute joy to watch
It's insane how his Joker seems to go absolutely balls deep when playing offstage.

What I mean by that is that people were, and still are, acting like Pichu is bottom-tier trash now. Pichu is absolutely still a viable choice, just doesn't have the really stupid shit anymore.

Which is why I said "in Ultimate"
If this was Smash 4, Ike's nair would have been completely gutted the patch after everyone complained about it for like a week. IIRC Sakurai even stated that they wouldn't be looking at social media when balancing this time around, since he didn't like how that went last time.

The Belmonts you dumdum

Man,

Apparently it was the 2nd largest prize pool of all time for Smash(which kinda depressing tbqh). The distribution is fucked however

>1st Mexico MKLeo
$21,204.00
>2nd United States Tweek
$7,068.00
>3rd France Glutonny
$3,534.00
>4th United States Samsora
$1,413.60
>5th-6th Japan ProtoBanham Japan Raito
$706.80
>7th-8th United States Light Japan Zackray
$353.40

NOMBARS

I think he was talking about Dragon Ball there, Mexico did win at Smash, even if it was through DLC

For Smash Ultimate* I meant fuck me

>no marss
>no kameme
Not a real top 8, Fuck wario and fuck fox he's boring as shit.

How did the shotos do this tournament? Feel like they're being slept on.

>Fuck wario
Fuck YOU bitch

Wario? How can you complain about one of the more uncommon characters around?

>uncommon
kek

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>b-but muh anecdotes
stop coping

This has gotta be bait, but to not mislead retards, they arent using the Hero patch

>no Persona 2 Joker

>muh recycled animations
100% not true, fuck off retard.

This. This is what makes MkLeo's Joker so potent. MkLeo can read players incredibly well and has phenomenal spacing sense, coupled with Joker's wide variety of skill set and speed, he always has a move ready to counter you.

lol Jokers not OP, he's got a high skill cap that most cant achieve

WAKE UP

twitter.com/Ssb4_Zackray/status/1158313502932525056

Zackray is pissed

GOT TO WAKE UP

What does this actually mean

Stop lying there is a reason everyone was saying he was mid tier when he came out.

Just making a stronger version of an already established character is the best way to make the original obsolete. Honestly trash design.
They could've easily made a proper Persona rep out of him but instead opted for the lazy Shiek 2.0 solution.
How people defend this is beyond me, and this is coming from a Persona fan.

he doesn't play anything like sheik

Oh ok lol.

Is this tier list accurate?

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>zero
>anywhere above ultra trash tier

Didn't stop people from watching Zero, although the scene got better when he started losing to Ally

fighting games are a genre that you most have to spend on dlc not only smash
and since they buy it anyway they will keep doing it

Reminder that Joker takes a semblance of skill to use, which is why you're able to dominate people who play as him online

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>have a 2-0 lead on winner's bracket
>choke and end up getting reverse sweeped
It's not about DLC, it's about fucking up one hit and letting everything go to shit

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>Jojojorge Falcón
Oh shit, you're right!

Lucky bastards

>challenging Arsene as fucking SQURITLE
>Multiple times throughout the set
Tweek deserved to lose after that retarded display

based retard

Is it the same reason Cloud was considered trash when he came out in December? :)

Is this your first time or something?

pichu has to play the game now? wow they ruined him

I can't wait.

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Zackray is mad that people are Joining for him. They were basically saying things like "oh MKLeo only won cause Zackray was playing really badly"
Pretty much the typical undermining someone's success because you like the other player more.

he really does. he's just shiek but with way better options on top of having all her best options. But that doesn't make Joker broken, shiek is absolute garbage because she does way too little damage and has no kill options before like 150%.
they have the same speedy combo gameplan, but where shiek will do a 10 hit combo leaving her opponent at 40%, joker will do a 3 hit combo for the same damage and then he'll bust out the zoning tools like eiha and gun.

>most representad character
>only one managed to make top 32
Wow, what an amazingly overpowered character he is.

>but he's certainly a popular choice.

Because he's broken as fuck.

>but he's certainly a popular choice.
lolol not at all. He's a broken character. Just watch, next evo will be nothing but Joker and Hero.

>95% of top EVO players didn't tier whore, leading to an incredibly varied top 32
>The one that did won

lol Skill. LMAO. Just keep attacking with no end lag, a stupid counter, and an better limit break that just makes Joker a heavy in terms of damage and knockback. Yep, so much "skill" required to be good with this broken shitheap of a character.

>they have the same speedy combo gameplan, but where shiek will do a 10 hit combo leaving her opponent at 40%, joker will do a 3 hit combo for the same damage and then he'll bust out the zoning tools like eiha and gun.
so they.. don't have the same combo gameplan
good shit, retard

>varied
>people uses like 12 characters to win

Lol

Just from this alone there were 24 unique characters in the top 25.

Not even 50% of smash's roster lol

>25 players should play a total of 50 characters minimum!
>No two players can play the same character or it's a shit game with shit balance!
Also reminder only the winner played the character that won.

>25 players play 24 characters
>THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH
retard

HOES MAD
HOES MAD

What nintendo-platform game does this character appear in?

God that match pissed me off. Kameme really just had his fucking brain turned off. I understand being burnt out after beating Leo but it seems more like he got cocky

>Main Trainer since launch
>Ivysaur already got nerfs in 4.0
>Will probably get more now
>I get called a tierwhore for picking trainer by wolf, lucina, and peach players
I think we need to just accept that the player is more important than the character this time around when two fucking duck hunts were in top 32

>heavy
Even the greatest heavy will only be upper middle tier at best.

Her biggest exploit was already nerfed
She's actually one of the most balanced characters of the roster

b-but i thought Yea Forums didnt care about smash

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Why the fuck tweek kept changing Pokemon mid air off stage when that was the reason of almost half his KOs when fighting leo??
one would've figured out not to do that on his second, third KO tops

Joker has like an absurd advantage against Hero's playstyle. If Hero becomes popular that would only make Joker even more popular to counterpick.

Jajajaja

If Joker is op what does that make Megaman?
If Megaman sucks then does that make Kameme some kind of elder god tier smash player?

Tell that to Wario

Based

>wario
>heavy

He's still shit

Tiers don't exist

Leo simply was not prepared for the Megaman matchup. If they played a few more matches I guarantee Kameme would get stomped like he did to that blind Lucina player's f-air

What do you call being heavier than 80% of the cast, medium weight?

>THE LEFFEABLE!!!

honestly that was pretty hype.

Literally bullshit, every top pro bitches about their main, only bad thing about Arsene is that he loses some platform confirms for raw power when transformed.

Take his cock out of your mouth

Epic

He tried to treat it as an aerial spot dodge but he didn't seem to realize Leo had caught on after 5 failed attempts.

>Turns the best recovery in the game into a really shitty one
If Arsene was powered down but base Joker was powered up that would still be a net buff to Joker.

>fell asleep during Tekken
>woke up with the stream still playing on my phone
>mfw literally woke up five seconds before MKLeo won the title
I'd say I got spoiled but let's be honest, we knew he'd win anyway

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Well I was complaining about Joker before last night so I don't really care.

based retard

The other grand finalist was a stock character but ok.

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Tweek would have won if it was 4.0 patch. The charizard forward throw buff would have killed Joker in that 3rd set and Tweek would have won 3-0

>Just add Bayonetta but better
Can they go fix her now?

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>ESAM, 25th
>Nairo, 17th
zoinks. this just aint there game huh

The real victory was Kameme winning against him with Megaman

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You have to be good too.

>be 17th best player at a 3,000 man tourney
>"lol not your game"

>carried
>by megaman

What the hell are you talking about

compared to what they were doing back in smash 4, yeah. thats what they get for trying to be meme streamers instead of just grinding and labbing offline.

Did Scarflard even participate this year?

don't respond to that retard. he has no idea what he's talking about.

She was complete garbage until hbox

>single most autistic smashfag
You could probably put Wizzrobe up there too if we're being honest

He pretty much retired from tourneys
He doesn't need the money as streaming easily makes more

he went but didn't play

>2 Duck Hunts

Holy based

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>Plup will be the only good Megaman in NA
What are the chances he'll rises?

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I only stayed in this thread because I saw the cat.

The Phantom Thief really stole the treasure this time huh :^)
Poetic.

This one of the few things I agree with Leffen and Armada constantly seething about. They live in good regions to play offline and practice, and they still fuck around in arenas and QP

Cosmo had a girlfriend too. Also tweek's girlfriend cheated on him once with keitaro, but tweek's cuck ass forgave both of them. It's weird considering keitaro is 10 years older than them.

Him beating Mkleo was probably the best part of the tournament.
I'm sad he didn't get a chance to finish him off again.

That reminds me: Plup is in my Ultimate pool at smashcon. Are there any notable sets I should study from?

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>WAAAAA joker is OP
based MKLeo is going to be on smashers's head for a whole year, I see.
Nevermind the droves of shitty jokers that will spawn and get destroyed by anyone who isn't shit.
But yeah, "Joker is broken when you know how to use him!!!!".
Is there any worse meme than this? Just admit the guy is fucking good and that's why the character is looking fucking good as well instead of acting like a unironic 10 years old who just got beaten

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Why? What would this person winning do for you? He has no idea you exist and doesn’t give a shit.

The same shit happened with Ike
>Ike is top tier look Leo is winning all these tournies!!!
Then people figured Ike out, he switch and Ike is no where to be seen.

Granted I think Joker is a much better character than Ike but he’ll get figured out soon, he’ll Marss beat Leo twice recently. Leo is clearly the best player but he’s not untouchable.

But everyone else dunks on Mega Meme.

Just a friendly reminder in case ppl have forgotten: Joker is completely honest, he has no smash that is unreactable, no 0%-death combo, no bullshit recovery, and if you got hit it is your fault and your fault alone for being conditioned and i outplayed you in every and any way.

>no bullshit recovery
>tether reels you in from blast zone
Ok

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Why do so many babies cry over a mid-tier like Joker?

>It's another "Yea Forums get extremely upset about Joker or Persona 5" episode
I think, without exaggeration, that Yea Forums has raged about one of those two topics every day since December of last year

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Ran out of gas lmao this isn't a physical contest.

Zero got nerfed pretty hard in the transition from 4 to ultimate.

>It’s another “Hey guys, I beat this character online all the time. Totally not lying. He’s bottom tier” episode

How come it didn't work for anyone else then?

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>It's a "Yea Forums cries about a new character" episode
I'm genuinely glad the Smash dev's learned their lesson and not take advice of shitters who cry over literally everything.

But seriously Yea Forums, please go on about how K. Rool is broken and is one of the top five characters.

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Im just glad no Mario players were in top 8

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STANDO POWAHH

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For 10.99 you too can win EVO

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Practice with him, bro

>Hurrr one guy using sword=OP
>Based le fart man being everywhere is fine

Yea Forums is retarded

based based retard poster

Wish that happened again

> Literally ONE joker in top 32
> muh p2w

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...

I mean the same player made people cry about Ike for a month or so, besides, if Joker is so op, why not use him? You do want to win right?

HOES MAD

Why is Leo that good? Arent mexicans trash at vidya?

Literally almost everyone called him mid or low high on release, most people called him fun to play and that's it. If Leo didn't pick up this character nobody would even bat an eye to him.

just wait until the hero shenanigans at smash con

Joker is annoying to look at / watch. His skinny limbs and black clothes and his attacks that come out so fast I can't tell what's going on. Perhaps even more annoying that game&watch.

Because I have a strong dislike towards characters like Sheik and Joker

YOU FUCKING LOSERS ARE STILL WHINING ABOUT JOKER LMAO

THERE IS ONE (1) JOKER IN TOP 50 RANKED PLAYERS. FUCK OFF AND GIT GUD.

uh. yeah. Git gud. Joker is high risk high reward.

Kameme has a ridiculous list of feats but he never seems to win any tournaments.

...You balance based on the player base average you retard.

Do people still watch football with the Patriots and Alabama headlining every NFL and college event? Yes.

Is Joker this game's Melee Fox?

Nigga just get hit by the end of the tether and he can't grab ledge

are you people fucking serious

lmao git gud

>A busted character
>only 1 player in top 64 at EVO

Cry me a god damn river

A) Cope
B)Git Gud
C)Cry more

pick one

>no Diddy Kong
Why did they have to take all Diddy's kill moves power away? That's just sad.

God, look at that variety. Seeing yoshi and pac-man up that high is good shit dude

>no Inklings in top 32

This was the biggest surprise for me, that's a really fucking strong character to not be represented at the top.

I see that people keep saying that the reason mkleo won was because he went all out with non arsene joker instead of stalling and trying to force out arsene as soon and as much as possible.

So does this mean there'll be a new Joker meta, Go hard instead of waiting for Arsene?

Well, that's still a decent amount of cash to be fair. Leo is set for like 6 months or so if he somehow loses all his tournaments that he shows up at

Going hard has always been the optimal meta. He's rush down as fuck, Rebels guard has always been for forcing zoners and projectile users to play outside their comfort zone more than anything else.

yoshi is a really good character man

>Fighterz this year was almost entirely full of Bardock.

That's why everyone makes fun of your game too you retard

comso is good at the game though?

Because Smash players is full of people who arm chair quarterback fighters and don't have any clue how other fighters operate. It flies over their head that other fighters have stage/character/costume bans let alone meta defining DLC chars.

Difficulty to play as a balancing mechanism is a core concept of fighter balance.

Bayo was broken as fuck and unlike joker very easy to play and win with. Literally pick smashville and staircase the opponent to hell.

Cloud was everyone's backup character.

Mewtwo was good with the rest being mid to high tier.

Real character to watch will be hero. He'll probably be banned after a few upsets.

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I'm pretty sure Yeti and Scatt have had better results than Plup when it comes to Mega Man.

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I always considered Duck Hunt a kind-of trollish pick, but after seeing Raito, I changed my mind, this guy is insane

So I take it not a Snake fan either?

>not true
It literally is true, retard. Forward smash being the most obvious

basado y, porsupuesto, rojoencapsulado

I'm scared, is my main going to get nerfed because people are too retarded to understand that mkleo is just a good player and can win with a non-broken character?

Because they’re just mad a Mexican could kick their asses in smash

If you main joker you're probably a faggot anyway

I feel you. I’ve playing mainly trainer and mega man and I can already hear everyone at my locals calling me a tier whore after this event

See me next year Joker fag.

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cuck

you say that now........see you in smashcon

Reyn, you're a genius

I mean, there was only 1 Joker in the top 32 so I think you're ok

hero army coming soon

>Real character to watch will be hero. He'll probably be banned after a few upsets.

The madness hasn't even begun.The Hero salt will keep me sustained for days

Good.

You deserve it for being a whiney little cuck

That is optimal Snake play.

So how many players got noticeably far with Joker besides MKLeo?

he's in

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MK Leo is just that annoyingly good

Nobody in NA plays Mega Man cleanly, they just like brainless rushdown

Tweek rocked him the first two games. MK Leo is just fucking good at figuring out his opponents on the fly.

leo is the michael jordan of smash bros

>unique weapon
>the protag of a pretty well-received installment in a mainstay franchise
>the perfect amount of costumes to make the normal male and female Byleth plus each house color

I think it's pretty inevitable, but it's not what I want at all

Poor madman Kirbopher almost got into smash

>Character is incredibly easy to play
>They're still top-tier

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>we don't live in a world where 3 houses happened around smash 4 instead of fates
Would trade Corrin for Byleth or any of the 3 House lords.

For a second I thought that the Olimars were Bomberman and I got very confused.

Sakurai throwing in another Fire emblem rep would be fucking hilarious.

Three Houses being such a success it's pretty much inevitable.

If you buy a DLC character for actual money and they're not very useful, you'd feel extremely ripped off and angry at Nintendo
this is why every single Smash 4 DLC character was at least middle tier and most were higher - except for Mewtwo, who was subsequently buffed about 6 times in repeat patches

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I want it just for the seething smashfags

This

is there a good not gay af recap video of the fight?

Well, god forbid you start playing an actual fighting game instead of trying to force Mario Party into a tournament format.

>all this bitching about Joker

This thread is definitive proof a lot of you fuckers are underaged shitters. Stop getting mad at some autistic party game.

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this. people getting mad at dlc will always be retarded. I would be pissed if I paid extra just for a character to be bad.

He realized streaming makes him more money with less effort than training and going to constant tournaments.

Lads, when you're playing a big character against Simon, do you just rush him the fuck down and hope you don't eat a million projectiles?

You want a literal blank slate wby?

ultimate>any other smash. deal with it incels

IGNATZ BORES THE COMPETITION TO DEATH

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Simon has slow as fuck normals so yeah just rush him down and maneuver around his wall

>Using tournament results to shitpost about tierlists even though almost nobody in these threads actually play smash anywhere near competitive level.

Hero is broken this, Joker is broken that, but what do you actually know of this game?
All you do is spout opinions made from the hard earned results of someone else. You're like sports fans.
>When I play online I rek scrub shitters so my opinion is actually educated.
No it's not. Joker was always a highly viable character and I said so from the start and have always seen joker players rank high during weeklies. Granted tons of people play Joker like ass, he is undisputably going to consistently place high.
You fucking scrubs kept saying Joker was mid tier to be your usual hipsterfags, now you're saying Hero is toppest tier because of broken gimmicks that rely on your opponent fucking walking into the attack. I can't wait to see you proven wrong. Hero could very well end up high on the list, but you rosterfaggots waiting for Hero shenanigans to shitpost about are gonna get fucking told.

what does that have to do with anything? Yea Forums talked shit and got destroyed by him, its just proof that Yea Forums knows literally nothing about fighting games

Character is mad overrated. Cuckmos didn't even make top 50 and Proto only used it for one match and Abadango used Wario all the way. Even Albion 4, which I*kling was the most represented character, only had 2 make it to top 50. Character is high tier at best

How many japanese players are going to be at smashcon?

>Heavy with a small hitbox and the groundspeed and maneuverability of a mid-weight character.
>Side-B is pure invulnerability that recharges as the match goes on.
>F-Smash has animesword hitbox but does more damage.