Mature Discussion about Arena Shooters

All those games are either super old, had no marketing budget or were never finished. Fuck that dead faggot and anyone who agrees it’s him.

Tumblrwatch is an FPS, and the perfect example of why it will never be a good genre of gaming.

Tribes 2 is peak FPS
All we need is to remake it.

This is the competitive state of the game after 3 years
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This is QUAKECON
They don't care and neither should you
If arena fps is destined to die then let it die I've put up with too much to care anymore.
Fuck Bethesda, Fuck Saber, Fuck Tim, and Fuck Syncerror

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Diabolical looks ok

Ascend had a solid playerbase when it was abandoned. Producers are just allergic to the genre.

its a FPM

in the dumpster

Why do you always pretend to "like" or "support" arena shooters, yet you haven't touched one in decades?

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fpbp

It’s only dead because of Jews. They kill FPS and the white race.

I guess it's actually pronounced diabotical. Whoops.

Tell me Yea Forums, have you played an Arena FPS in the last week? If not, why not?
You do care enough to actually play them, right?

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Play Titanfall 2.

>Playing old man shooters
Lmao

>Can Quake Champions grow from where it currently is?

Nope, maybe if it using id tech and id themselves had more of a hand developing the game then it could have had a chance

store.steampowered.com/app/671610/Warfork/
were were you when arena shooters were revived just enough so we could survive the wait till diabotical?

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Whatever happened to Quake 4?

youtube.com/watch?v=zsQFxBndRG0
pretty good video on why quake champions died

God I wish he hadn't died.

they didn't know what they wanted to be, quake or doom
ironically, doom 2016 multiplayer is much better (allows for modding) than qc

It's first person moba, abilities > aim.

Wow, point your mouse at an enemy and click the button, so fun

>scopes in on railgun
what a humongous faggot

totalbiscuit
>arena shooters are dead
arena shooters
>totalbiscuit is dead

nice reddit artstyle

that's TF2 too
fuck this cartoon shit

artstyle means very little as long as it's clear and consistent.

>artstyle means very little as long as it's clear and consistent

The only thing that could save QC as a Hail Mary attempt would be for them to implement a classic mode like WIllits had promised before he was fired. If they don't then the game will be sub-500 this time next year and there is nothing will could be done to save it. The amount of retarded shills and boomers that try to say otherwise are wrong.

Also, what in the fuck triggered this out of the blue discussion fucking AFPS games these past weeks? Either a Bethesda shill has to meet his quota or there are seriously 5-10 autists that keep these threads alive at all times rather than playing video games as a form of socialization

Holy shit TB stole my fucking post straight out of Yea Forums

Get ass cancer like him

Seethe harder incel

Say what you want about him, but you can't deny that this post of his is 100% correct.

Retarded. Who gives a fuck or has even heard off most of those games. A proper Quake release, unreal tournament, or even doom with proper multiplayer (pre-emptive RIP for eternals MP) would sell well enough.
Based.

what went wrong?

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Have sex gay boi

>Is there a future?
No.
This is a game genre that hasn't progressed since 1999 because the only way to progress is to make it not that genre.
This is a genre where the dudes who have been playing since 1999 will and always will win every round, so no one is going to pick it up and play it for an hour after work.
So the userbase is always going to be a small niche of dudes who think they're too good for every other FPS, and maybe a couple of people who got it on Free Weekend and still like it.

One of the games he mentioned is literally UT you retard. And those games were actually fairly well known.

Explained it perfectly. is a retarded faggot and I’m glad he died.
Retards won’t play a game with 1/10 the content of the previous games.

They would have to make them interesting instead of iterating on the same boring shit. Tribes was a cool idea. Fuck Jedi Outcast wasn't fast but it was damn fun.

UT 2004 says otherwise
See It got killed in pre alpha

>because the only way to progress is to make it not that genre
That's only if you go by the retardedly specific definition that basically defines Arena FPS as Q3A clones.

They couldn't even give Unreal away for free retard

yeah, because nobody was playing it dumbass

arenfags are mentally ill
>I want a new arena shooter!
>new arena shooter comes out
>fuck this game it's just a Quake reskin
>game dies
>arena shooter that doesn't resmeble Quake comes out
>fuck this game it's too different from Quake
>game dies

A million excuses so you can beat your chest and virtue signal all day long to remain in your imagined elites-only hugbox of semi-pros who don't play video games anymore. Neck yourselves.

>progress
>dudes
kys tranny

Based as fuck

Lol, no. Watch the video faggot or at least don’t spout bullshit. The game required you to find the instal link in their forum.

100% and this is coming from an arenafag who actually played and supported these games. I'm tired of all the virtue signalers who sat by and whined while I was playing Reflex and giving devs feedback.

Kys kike zoomer.

I played the game retard. Unlike you. It was dead as shit.

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Game that was built by 5 people and neckbeards. Yeah that ship was built to fail. A PROPER release.
Brainlet.

>hurr durr nobody was playing it because it was in pre-alpha with no content
>hurr durr it was killed in pre-alpha because why do content for a game that nobody plays

Which is it, faggots?
Pick an angle and stick to it. Stop with this contradicting bullshit, I want only one clear narrative on Yea Forums. If you are unable to decide on one, get the FUCK out ofhere.

>super old
So? Doom is old as dirt and people still play it. If they were that good people would play them regardless, unless you mean to imply that anything without shiny cutting edge graphix is unplayable.
>had no marketing budget
What happened to Yea Forums's claim that marketing is a waste of money and a good game can thrive off of word of mouth alone?

Sure you did zoomer. Make a real argument

It was literally on the Epic Games launcher with like 4 other games at the very top of the launcher where everyone could see it. It's still on EGS.

Dabbing on arena fags and making them seethe even in the grave. That's going to be a BASED from me.

Is Halo an Arena Shooter?

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No one thinks that. A game needs some marketing even if just a bit.

>literally kills the thing he so desperately claims to want
brainlet indeed

Not a single person on Yea Forums even knows or heard of anybody who actually downloaded EGS:

I did. The game was dead. I played it, I should know. What's your argument? Umm watch this video about a game I know nothing about!

Pathetic Neck yourself you stupid faggot.

can mods IP ban the retard making these threads

the game has 500 people playing MAX, there are more people posting in these bait threads than playing the fucking game

From what I remember of the first one it is, yeah. Haven't played any others.

The eggs was small as shit before it was killed
Kys tranny

Yeah, Yea Forums is so out of touch

They hated him because he told the truth

I miss him so much lads. ;_;

Yeah! Less talking about video games and more spamming dilate, cringe and based!

After I checked out quake champions I realized that I just didn‘t find enough variety in this genre. There‘s only ever 7 or so weapons and I honestly just get bored of that.
Also Death Match is mostly just shoot-in-the-back simulator and if there‘s any real skill in this genre it‘s only in duels.

A lot of people here think that, when it suits their arguments. And I really doubt marketing is what Q3A is lacking at this point.

Arena shooters won't ever come back.

It has to be team-based -- which makes it not an arena shooter -- if it wants to be popular again.

>didn‘t find enough variety in this genre. There‘s only ever 7 or so weapons
you dont need more
go play your tacticool milsims

kek'd

Titanfall 2 is the only legit good shooter from the past few years

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>all deleted simultaneously
Someone isn't behaving...

Well the guy was a massive retard so that's not very surprising

How does Yea Forums feel about Fatal1ty? Was he as good as the legends say?

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Don't make me laugh. As opposed to miltiray Wardestroyer™ simulators which features assault rifles, assault rifles, assault rifles, assault rifles, slightly different variety of assault rifles, and some assault rifles? Oh yeah and shotgun that nobody uses because assault rifles kill in 1 bullet anyway.

>EVERYTHING IS DEAD BECAUSE I SAID SO
Fuck youtubers
Arena FPS has CTF and crap though. Are you thinking about objectives?

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So the virtue signaling zoomer incel who's afraid of trannies was behind all of the "it's because the games were unfinished!" posts. Really makes you think.

Why are zoomers pretending to like arena shooters?

He literally proved was BasedBiscuit was saying. Hilarious.

A shallow one, but I guess it can qualify, though I will say that the requirements for something to be considered an arena shooter are pretty broad.

i'm bad at them and last few times i tried to play QL i got utterly destroyed so hard the players quit from the server. and when i tried to play QC later it refused to load me into a game for five tries until i did get loaded in only to meet a "20FPS on lowest graphics" tier mess

i would if it wasn't only on origin

Depends on how you define it. Halo bois tend to describe the first 3 as arena shooters. But quake boomers say it isn't because of regen health, slower pace and holding 2 weapons at a time w reload.

>I'm so hardcore as is my fellow hardcore gamers
>why aren't developers catering to me???

I suck too but I still play Xonotic.
People seem to care less if you're shit in that game. Probably because they're glad anyone is playing at all.

Those Quake boomers consider anything that doesn't play 95% like Quake not an arena shooters. Fuck 'em.

Arena shooters are dead for the same reason that online card games are exploding.

People can't handle losing consistently to players who are better than them. If you get put into a lobby with someone who's been playing arena shooters all their life, you'll get your ass handed to you every time you run into them. They require time and dedication for a player to actually compete, which casual gamers don't want.

Card games allow anyone to hop on for 5 minutes a day and have a reasonable chance of beating even the best players in the world. You don't need to be good at the game, you don't need good reflexes, you just need to buy cards.

what? Only retards complain about weapon variety and in 99% of times its either or nothing more than shitty pink reskins. You only need one weapon per situation, everything else is zoomerbloat or tacticool milsim shit for the "immersion" reddit crowd.

Don't tag me into a conversation that has nothing to do with me and my post again. Thanks.

Wow
Point and click on enemies
But really fast
Wow

slow
shitty artstyle
not made by valve as an attempt to re-light the Half-Life DeathMatch spark with "brand new" Portal DeathMatch

There's always instagib. I can do pretty okay in that while using a fucking gamepad.

>People can't handle losing consistently to players who are better than them
This is true but only really a problem in the times of "matchmaking" and having no server browser. Usually a community will sort itself out and there are going to be noob servers. Not anymore since devs/publishers do everything in their hand to either destroy or completely be in control of a community.

what came first: the chicken or the egg?

For what it's worth I wanted Quake Live to succeed. At least it outlived TB.

Kind of. A castrated and simplified arena shooter.

he opened my eyes and now i no longer eat like a noob. shame i still shoot like one, even after practicing.

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>and there are going to be noob servers
>play tf2 on somewhat average server
>some pro clan player logs in
>wipes out the whole map and holds your team on the resp
Ah, the sweet memories.

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>They require time and dedication for a player to actually compete, which casual gamers don't want
No one wants this though. You don't even want this, or you would be one of the 40 people still playing Reflex or whatever. When arena shooters were actually popular people played them against their friends, and didn't stress out about practicing advanced movement techniques so they could "actually compete". Today everyone wants to learn all the techniques and raise their mmr, so they burn out on arena shooters in five minutes. Hearthstone players are just not casual enough for Quake.

The genre is at Call of Duty, that's where the genre is at.
People want customizable weapons and perks, they want to kill people almost instantly, they want killstreak rewards, and they want lower skill ceilings.
Also fuck Quake Champions for not having a purist mode without the retarded champion shit.

>The genre is at Call of Duty
CoD games aren't arena shooters.

oh boy, finally a reason to repost pic related again

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don't know anything about tf2 but in ET players usually did this after they lost a match and wanted to rage rape noobs for their ego

Real talk: can Diabolical make it?

>The genre is at Call of Duty
CoD is legacy already. We are now at "press x to play dance animation" and battle royal hiking simulators were you maybe have 2 minutes of total combat time out of 1 hour.

Unlikely. It's another game so close to Quake people are just gonna say they might as well play Quake and not play either.

I'm personally waiting on Diabotical while playing QL. If Diabotical fails or is shit I'm done with AFPS.

That's just you arbitrarily defining the genre.

I was only talking about first person shooters. Aren't battle royales mostly 3rd person?

He's been talking about maybe making it F2P and if that's the case then yeah, it could make it.

>That's just you arbitrarily defining the genre
My definition of arena shooter is actually far more open that the more common one. The only things needed for me to consider a game an arena shooter are relatively compact maps with a heavy focus on item control.
CoD doesn't have the latter.

That horrible feel when the matchmaking is so bad that only 1 in 20 matches are even.

>Finally get a good match even as fuck
>LOL EVERYONES KICKED GO QUEUE AGAIN FAGGOT

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>Today everyone wants to learn all the techniques and raise their mmr, so they burn out on arena shooters in five minutes.
Pretty much. I feel like if an arena shooter is to have a true chance at being popular it would somehow have to attract a large audience of new people from the get go, so that they can play games which aren't constantly dominated by the tryhards playing this sort of game for 2 decades. If the population is low this sort of game seems fated to die, most of the playerbase will already be far too good for somebody who is actually new and very few new players will put in the considerable time required to become even average at the game, all the while getting ruined every time they play.

It's not specific to arena shooters though, it would be the same like trying to get into Starcraft when others have been playing it for over 20 years, or any other game with a high skill cap from back in the day.

Okay, then to answer the question within the context of your specific definition, they are dead, the market evolved into whatever genre you would call Call of Duty.

I love you TB.

why don't you add that person to your friends list and get a lobby going?

>first person shooters
this is your mistake. this thread is not for all FPS, it's for the sub-genre of FPS called Arena FPS which usually involve
>a small enclosed space (the titular Arena)
>fast, technical movement
>a wide assortment of weapons with both hitscan and projectile weapons
all of which CoD lacks with it's focus on historic combat which means open spaces, assault rifles and an explosive every now and again and nothing more.

Battlefield has the focus on open spaces, not CoD

New CoD seems to be moving into Battlefield's territory with the new game. Rumors of 100+ players servers.

who gives a fuck both are the same

the multiplayer maps in CoD are still way more open and way more linear than maps from Quake. just compare Blood Run to Terminal: one is big, wide, and mostly flat, and the other is Blood Run.

100% correct
arena fps is the "you think you want to, but you don't" of game genres

That is very true, I wonder how well it will work out.

They are slowly being homogenized, but the general point is that the public wants CoD and not Quake, the old-school arena shooter is on life-support.

You can cherry pick maps all day long if you want, but I still believe the majority of CoD maps are relatively small, but then again I haven't played it in years. I do remember Shipment, and I doubt there are any stock Quake maps smaller than that.

I only play TDM user

>Is there a future? Can Quake Champions grow from where it currently is?
Yes they can. If they fucking add a server browser.

add them all to your friends list

You're not wrong although like that other user said CoD itself seems to be on the way out already.

I do think Arena shooter could be salvaged and revived though if only people stopped making them all Quake clones. Even the ones people say don't play like Quake play 90% the fucking same.
A lot of the things you mentioned: customizable weapons, perks, low TTK, killstreak rewards could work in an arena shooter just fine.

nevermind the bug and glitches, these fellas don't look that good at all, I think I might be able to beat them even though it's been years since I played q3

>server browser
>without dedicated servers
???

He was absolutely right.

They have dedicated servers or rather "data centres" but you can't fucking tell if anyone is queuing up or not. This would all be solved if it could at least show who's active in what particular regions so you don't waste your time queuing up if people aren't playing. This might not seem like a big deal for maybe US or Europe but fuck it's a huge deal in Oceanic regions.

I don't think they would work well though, it will cause a lot of purists to scream and shit on the game endlessly. Hell, I've seen a lot of posts recently dedicated to shitting on CS of all games, on the basis that it's casualized Quake, and that game doesn't have weapon customization, perks, or killstreak rewards.

have you ever considered sticking to jarpigs, redditor?

Oh, I certainly agree with that.

Fuck the purists. They don't even play the games they claim to like. Let them shit their pants in anger and sit in it.

Quake live wouldn't have died if they didn't turn full jew. The game was doing fine.

quake live tutorial/crash's course deathmatch part map (which is an actual map, just featured there and i forget the name of it) is smaller and has a more interesting layout than "a bunch of crates lying around a flat storage space: the map" that is shipment. but it's not about the size, it's more about what the map does with the verticality. most maps in quake are multilevel, so there can be stuff happening on the ground but also some other stuff on the bridge and balcony above, and then some more stuff down below in the underground section, and this continues throughout 90% of the map. at the same time, most CoD maps are urban areas with level streets and where only places of actual elevation difference are buildings, which are cramped.
CoD may be a good shooter game, but it's not an Arena shooter game.

>The game was doing fine.

No it was not. The playerbase has always been dead since the beginning.

>but it's not about the size
You specifically listed the size of the arena, but this is all a moot point. Arena shooters are dead.

Yes, people virtue signal about vidya all the time especially arena shooters. TB is absolutely correct.

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Guys!

+10 players this month! That's 1% growth! The game has a chance!

It's comeback time

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Quake Champions is the only online arena shooter that's actually populated right now.

I had a brain tumour like a decade ago and I can't play that shit any more. I admire it though.

it was beating quake champions daily then they made it B2P to drive new players into QC

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Wow, press buttons, very exciting.

QL went B2P long before QC even existed.

>No it was not
Prove it faggot or fuck off

What does it do differently from Warsow?

>weekly sunday cups and some other tournaments
>defrag
>active streamers
qc killed ql tournaments and took away the streamers.
there are still the same >200 players playing ql daily

It never ever beat QC in terms of higher playerbase. B2P came out before QC dumbfuck.

>Quake live wouldn't have died if they didn't turn full jew. The game was doing fine.

How about you prove this you retard. I've played QL and QC on and off for years and I've yet to see QL have a higher player count ever.

>forced transition by nu-id
funniest part was Tim telling people to stop playing ql

I think currently not much.
I think the latest patch had some weapon damage changes so not sure which version of warsow this is based on.

the maps in the videos look same as default warsow maps but with warsow logo replaced.

Hmm. What was more popular? The game that added abilities nobody wanted and ran like shit and had to updates or the free game that ran well?

any reason why Unreal Tournament 3 was hated? Other than not being carbon copy of 1999 UT? It had some bad ideas, sure, like vehicles that served no purpose and half of game modes being a bad joke, but levels, and art design were great, anti-grav skateboards was an amazing idea, and weapons felt far more practical and balanced than in previous 2

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Numbers don't lie and yet you fail to provide any.

ok retard

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>The game that added abilities nobody wanted

Literally one fucking ability that was very minor. It added a bit of depth to how you just play other than bunny hopping and collecting weapons.

>and had to updates or the free game that ran well?

It runs fine on my computer. Don't know your issue.

September 2014 2349.74 - - 6154
ql was doing ok, qc stole some players away.

>QL beats QC with active players by just a hair only once over a year ago

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>Numbers don't lie
QL doesn't have any numbers and you always get retards like him provide fucking steam numbers. QL was free and then it was sub and then pay to play.

Where the FUCK is f4t4lity?

BRING HIM BACK

it should have been the entirety of quakefags not my boy ;_;

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it ran like shit

>it doesn't count
Come back with an argument.

I forgot how jewish they were
>Premium Subscription is $1.99 per month
>Pro Subscription is $3.99
>In both cases payment will be taken annually meaning a one-off charge now of $23.88 or $47.88.
23 or almost $50 for a game that was like 15 years old at the time

>skill cooldowns
dead
maybe mention games that aren't shit

>QL was free and then it was sub and then pay to play.

Anyone who installed it before it went buy to play got a free copy in your Steam library.

>maybe mention games that aren't shit
Oh look, it's this excuse again. They're all decent arena shooters if you actually played them. Again, the problem resides in people acting like self-righteous virtue signaling tards going, "l-lets bring back our arena shooters!" you're not playing none of them. All of the arena shooters over the years were great but people like you just talk and never play them.

Which means it's still cuts off any interest from new players.
>10-15$ for a game that's 20 years old? Fuck that
And I don't blame them. QL should be free.

>Only 10 dollars.

Fucking get a job faggot.

>it's this excuse again. They're all decent arena shooters if you actually played them
i did , sorry i don't enjoy shit

Who are you talking to?

You just cannot accept the fact that you suck at them and are not having fun with them at all but keep holding your hardcore gamer cred saying everything is shit because you're the last bastion of hardcore gamers now in a zoomer world.

Forget about Arena Shooters.

Is there even a single FPS at all on PC with an active playerbase? Besides CSGO.

*blocks path*

youtube.com/watch?v=_j8otmne9nU

twitch.tv/videos/462151479

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>once
those are only averages, it happened day after day across literal months

once they made quake live B2P and QC F2P the count plummeted in the other way

>QC turned F2P=gets all the new players wanting to try quake
>QL turned B2P=struggles to get new players
thanks for proving my point

They were all fine. In fact Reflex is basically a carbon copy Q3A.

tf2

What's this new FOTM genre shit? OW is an FPS you crybaby faggots.

>once they made quake live B2P
It was buy to play years before QC came out retard

>cpma

>tfw repeatedly ran into toxiq in Live Fire
Quake dads are no joke. Dude could fight half the team at the same time with the wingman elite and win.

Overwatch isn't a fucking FPS, its a First person ASSFAGGOTS.

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Oh look, another arena shooter that's going to die on day one release. Stop shilling your game faggot.

you could play it for free, the subscription allowed you to host your own server

Your made up genres don't hold any weight in the real world. OW is an FPS (the best FPS at the moment) and nothing you say can change that.

Cry some more.

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because there's a rift in between EU CPMA fags and Vanilla arenafags.
CPMA FAGS are insufferable shits, vanilla Arenafags are ESR forums bitches with cheat powered inhouses who bans new players.

Not on steam dumbshit.

>ASSFAGGOTS
>no 'creeps'
>no camps
>no core
No, it's a team based FPS like Enemy Territory or TF2.

Thread should have ended here tbqh senpai

Quake Boomers don't even play vidya they just jerk off to their teenage fantasies of being Jonathan Wendel

>he hasn't been following Diabotical
why are you even in this thread if you don't care about arena shooters?

you're drastically underestimating their aim skills because you're used to huge q3 hitboxes. cut those in half and that's how hard it is to hit LG or rail in QC. the hitboxes are near pixel perfect. the current QC competitors would aim you to shreds and tactics wouldn't help because a fully stacked player dies in three rails.

Because I want to disprove virtue signaling arena shooter retards. You're not real arena shooter enthusiasts you're a fucking poser. Game is going to die just like the rest of the arena shooters.

Both of these are quakefags that want nothing but Quake. Doesn't matter what their preferred flavor of Quake is.

We get it, you're a loser.

>OW is an FPS (the best FPS at the moment)
that's laughable. CSGO and all the old, still somewhat alive multiplayer shooters are on a different fucking continent than OW. OW has nothing going for it. no aim skill, no tactical depth, it's just the most blatant "blame your teammates for bad matches, take full credit for good ones" shooter that goes out of its way to randomize its rewards so everyone can feel like they're "doing their part".

>when you were something in between wacky and nomal gamer to stress out after school in the 2000's
i miss that shit

The OW game is somewhat active. But Twitch and the Esports scene is dying off quickly.

Uh huh. Nice opinion, but the rest of the world doesn't agree.

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They DON'T EVEN play it anymore, they simply Bitch.
I quit playing QC because of it, their discord channel was a pure circlejerk about it, even Killsen and ins stopped commenting there because of it.

>Discord tranny desperate to gather (You)

it kinda does since the CPMA crowd got a game handed to them on a platter and refused it (Reflex) and the comically larger vanilla-Q3 / Live crowd is starving for a game to the point where some of us are still playing QL and others are putting up with QC even. Diabotical will be our time to show our numbers. after Diabotical comes out in a technically solid state and fails any way you can start blaming us for games failing. until then we've got a clean sheet imo. catering to QW and CPMA (aka air control liking) players is a complete waste, they literally don't exist or don't play games any more.

if you can't see why Diabotical is far more likely to succeed than Reflex, Xonotic, etc then you aren't worth discussing arena shooters with. Not sure why you're even in this thread honestly.

Good one. Thanks for playing! Facts don't change just because they trigger you ya little cute special snowflake.

Grow some thicker skin and maybe play some Overwatch since it's the best FPS on the market.

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Your couple hundred people playing QL aren't gonna be enough to keep Diabotical afloat. You know that, right?

If OW playernumbers could keep up with CSGO Blizzard would share them. Instead they're always talking about accounts / copies which mean nothing.

CSGO's 30 day high is over half a million:
steamcharts.com/app/730

I genuinely can't give you an estimate for OW on PC. it might be as high as a hundred thousand or as low as a few thousand, we have no numbers. but we KNOW it's below CSGO.

As someone who plays QC and QL it's generally much easier to aim in QC. I've literally hit 60% LG in Unholy Trinity pubs. It's impossible to hit that much in QL.

You don't think the past developers didn't think the same way with their arena shooter game? You're not special. You're all the same like the other arena shooters.

Also, I can post whenever I want, however I want and there's nothing you can do about it faggot.

Most Diabotical playes will come from QC, not QL. But really most Quake fans hardly play Quake these days since the latest game is so trash and everyone is bored of Q3/Live (20 year old game after all and QC killed it's competitive scene)

>posting in a thread for a genre you know nothing about
unironically get a life and have sex lmao

Whatever happened to LawBreakers? Wasn't that meant to make big waves as an arena shooter? CliffyB had a proven record with UT as well.

Its a bait coming from th this discordfag

Raped by Blizzard and killed by CliffyB's incompetence

>Raped by Blizzard and killed by CliffyB's incompetence

It died because no one was interested in it.

Diabotical waiting room

QC was the last big hope for Quakefags and got to over a thousand average BEFORE going F2P iirc. that's a good reference point because Diabotical will cost money on entry.

against bad players some pros hit 65% in QL so that's not true. in casual modes like unholy trinity you'll meet a lot of noobs who can't dodge.
competitively the absolute monsters like tox and serious hit 50% LG against other top players. other pros hit about what you would expect, for example in the recent k1llsen - cooller grand final at Qcon k1llsen hit 43% and cooller 30. cooller has hit better in previous versions of QC so that's a bit of an anomaly, I admit.

what's changed is that on one hand the LG isn't a laggy noodle anymore, it hits exactly where you point it. and on the other hand hit detection in QC massively favors high pinged shooters over any target of theirs (as laggy targets are smoothed out while your aim remains crisp). so look into which servers you've activated in QC.

developed for consoles and with nothing but hipster nigger characters, advertised with rap nigger culture. they started out with "we're making a competitive arena shooter" and then they ended up making Overwatch for the Gears of War audience. it was a complete failure of design. also supposed to go F2P and then chickened out and asked for money up front.

>In fact Reflex is basically a carbon copy Q3A.
LOL! based retard

>Diabotical will cost money on entry
He's thinking about making it F2P. He's said that in the last two streams.

Arena shooters have the same problem as RTS and fighting games, in that today's uber-casual gamers just aren't interested in genres that require a decent amount of technical skill.
Fighting games however, have managed to stay somewhat relevant by combined supermajors like EVO and the publishing companies pumping huge amounts of money into them. Instead of having separate major tournaments for each game, the arena shooter community should have formed their own EVO over a decade ago, and encouaged multiple games and multiple publishers to join in.

I just wanted quake but with modern graphics the changes to add stats really ruined it for me, I can accept ults if they were disabled in certain modes but different speeds and armor is a no

yeah, but how could he possibly afford that? he's probably run through his inheritance, bitcoin money or whatever he started with as a budget and brought on investors and ran through that as well. he can't have anything left at this point. if he doesn't charge 20 bucks for this game when will there be a return for the investors at least?

I don't enjoy being pessimistic about this, I love quake (VQ3, fuck air control) and think 2GD is one of the if not THE most positive forces in the community / scene. if it were up to me I'd make Diabotical an overnight hit shitting all over QC and showing id how they failed not just us but themselves and their wallets with all their terrible decisions. but at the end of the day I don't see where the money is supposed to keep coming from after 6+ years of development and zero revenue except one small kickstarter collection and an ominous investor or two.

they did promise a classic mode with no differences between characters at some point but my guess is they scrapped it because of the different hit boxes. I can only imagine the spaghetti code behind this 20 GB for three maps monstrosity. who knows if it would be trivial to allow the different models to all run the same hitboxes and movement types or how deep the mess goes. the devs have been beyond desperate for a long, long time now so I like to think that if they could, they would have.

Because he's well aware of previous failures and could rely on making money from skins instead. As much as I prefer just paying and owning a game F2P games is the future

I hope you dumbshits learned your lesson for writing off Quake 4 so quickly.

It's completely dead. People used to get better and just use skill to beat others. Today it's all about dumbing things down and forcing handicaps for shit players. When people used to do nothing but whine and complain other players could spit roast them and trash them until they left. Today the whiners are the most powerful force in the game because the developers cater to them and shut down anything that might offend them. Games used to be server based and you could keep the kind of audience you wanted in the server. Now most everything is ranked and matched so that you are forced to play with people who detract from the experience or complain about your play style and try to punish you for it. People claim they want "competitive" games but then go out and spend as much money on hardware advantages as they can when those advantages didn't really exist when everyone had a CRT and similar hardware. There's no bringing it back.

it's what everyone wanted

The only lesson from Quake 4 was that id lost the plot. It was shit.

>Mature Discussion
>Yea Forums

agreed totally, and especially if they can't deliver good bots (which they have not even a prototype for afaik) they need the immediate size in player base. I agree that Diabotical needs to be F2P but I doubt it's feasible.

id didn't even make it

Quake 4 was the worst Quake until QC came out.

>Can Quake Champions grow from where it currently is
no

most people decided QC was shit before they even made it f2p

making diabotical f2p and doing a big push on release is a good idea since it means there will be enough noobs playing so they can play each other instead of getting raped by quakedadboomers

why do diabotical devs keep creating this threads just so they can post their shit Quoverwatch DOA ball shite?

>ME NO LIKE BALL
take your schizo meds bethesda shill

QC doesn't have a playerbase either so what's his point? And QL is more popular than he thinks. Also he was bronze in OW and if you watch him playing QL he has no idea what to do so I don't think his opinion matters anyway.

youtube.com/watch?v=uB_VssiLUeA

>id didn't even make it
yeah, raven or whoever made it. but on id's commands. and then they failed to learn anything from it and outsourced QC to even further away devs for even cheaper. Q4 proved that they didn't give a shit and QC proves that they still don't give a shit over a decade later. they don't give a shit about Quake and haven't in over a decade. that's the lesson here.

Arenas have got to be the most boring settings ever.

Why would I want to play in an arena that ends the moment of my victory over a huge world where I can be victorious over many enemies without getting my progress reset?

An Arena shooter needs to focus more on Team modes with objectives like CTF so new players can feel like they are doing something while they learn the game.

When does 2GD's game come out?
I'll try it

>OW is an FPS (the best FPS at the moment)
>this is what trannies actually believe

warsow was cool until they removed the gimmick where weapons deal more damage the more ammo you have, that was nice way to encourage area control and now it's just generic quake3 clone

nobody likes them james. stop being such a massive randy pitchford and accept it's a bad idea.

he said this year

weak zoomer bait

that sounds fucking retarded though

if there were a huge open world game with challenging AFPS type combat I'd agree with you but it doesn't exist and likely never will. huge world implies easy combat or you'd need a dark souls type save system which implies linearity again. there has never been an open world game with challenging combat and that's not a fluke. it's because challenge means failure is likely and that leads to back-tracking and the bottom 70% of players quitting after less than an hour played. big open world games depend on easy content so the average player can bumble through the whole thing and look at all the CONTENT the devs sunk a vast budget into.

Why is there no arena shooter battle royale? Why did they make Quake a OW clone (when the fad was already dying) and not a BR game which would actually go well with the emphasis on movement and weapon variety?

>he said this year
he says this year every year.

What's the main problem with Overwatch?

this is the real reason why everyone liked the new tribes. this and going fast
>oh you suck at going fast? here play a fatshit that shoots missiles
>oh you get creamed by fast players when your the fatshit? here's an invis-o-dude that destroys the generator
>you're too useless to even stealth into their base and break a box? play the guy that defends the box and stop the enemy infiltrator
There was something for everyone

he said 2019

I thought a new tribes could be the liberator we need but then that "midair" game came out DOA and it ruined the chances of a new tribes imo.

Fuck off to reddit quakeniggers.

he had previously said 2018.

said this before, but quake champions needed to be one one 4v4 mode that was fresh, made use of the champions' different abilities, had a clear definied objective and ranked play out of the gate. it could have a separate 1v1 duel mode with all the abilities and different hitboxes stripped out too, but that would be there just for legacy reasons to satiate boomers.

instead they muddied the water and never really came up with a proper concept for what to do with the component parts of the game they made.

He's right you know.

BASED BASED BASED

What happened to Tribes Ascend?

Well they're gonna test the game soon

This is also why TF2 lived for so long

Don't even fucking get me started on HiRez.

Was Cliffy B our last hope?

They're all dead, and exclusively played by autists at this point

Quakeniggers were a mistake

they're already testing the game with friends. you're referring to the beta with kickstarter backers? 2GD said he doesn't want that any more. it's just this kind of closed testing with few players and then launch for everyone.

truly the last hope for arena FPS

he only made good maps for ut99 and ut2k4
he never made a good game

>They're all dead
I wonder why

I think that's what he was talking about. I mean if he's saying 2019 in August he must be pretty sure about it.

Diabotical isn't out yet. Just grinding Kovaak's aim trainer until it comes out since every other FPS is dead or shit.

Now that's a hardcore player if I've ever seen one

he literally said april... in april.

Gears of War? Every game that came after apparently ripped off the cover system.

kill switch had pretty much the same cover system. Gears of War just had the production value, marketing and mass appeal to popularize it. other devs latched on because they were desperate to swim with the current, to run with the herd, to justify to suits why their idea would sell. cover shooters were such a fucking meme last gen they even started adding sticky cover to some FPS later in the gen. what a tragic waste of potential if you consider how much better all those games could have been. not blaming cliffy for other devs being cowards but sticky cover is nothing to be proud of, especially if you didn't come up with it and just popularized it.

Not to contradict Total "To quote Illidan, you are not prepared" Biscuit, The 145 IQ Cynical Brit, but:

>Toxikk
Complete shit, I was actually interested before release but goddamn the gameplay was awful.
>Reflex
Decent but AFAIK, a nearly total ripoff of CPMA that contributed nothing new aside from HUD timers for mega and armor (even if you weren't the one who picked them up). Visually, it also looked like shit.
>UT4 Alpha
It's an alpha, people don't really want to play an alpha with two completed guns (the others being directly taken from ut3) and a couple of maps.
>Quake Live
A browser version of a better game (brightskins are fucking stupid as a default option in casual play) that ended up becoming a real game that you had to buy in order to play. Considering that, the mediocre success it had is already an achievement.
>Warsow, Xonotic
Vaguely familiar with them and I believe I heard they're bad (maybe just xonotic), never played them though.

That those attempts failed doesn't indicate that the arena shooter genre is dead. It merely indicates that it's one of the most mishandled genre. You can't just make an arena shooter and hope old players play it, you have to get some new blood too (which doesn't mean debasing yourself like QC did, I believe that there's a non-negligible portion of younger players who would like arena shooters but have never heard of the genre)

That said, there's a fair amount of poseurs and I don't think arena shooters will ever be a mainstream genre again.

That's because the game is a very complicated pyramid scheme. Every few years the game changes its engine and promises the perfect Quake game to all the desperate Arena FPS players and bam! Easy money.

If a new high profile arena shooter got announced with the advertising taglines being
>COMMUNITY SERVERS
>NO MATCH MAKING
>NO CLASSES
>NO LOAD OUTS
>NO PROGRESSION
>NO LOOTBOXES

and it was just a pure competitive arena shooter with no bullshit, would people be interested or are do you think people have been conditioned to need progression/unlocks/matchmaking to even consider playing these types of games anymore!

What was wrong with UT3?

Anyone can explain the weapon balance in Quake? QC?

Feels like only 3 are worthwhile. Maybe 4 with the nailgun.

LG, Rockets and Railgun I guess if your good at aiming. I couldn't hit Gabe Newell and boogie2988 standing beside each other with the fucking thing.

Why don't they buff the machine gun a bit? Make it a bit more worth picking up?

Feels good to be CSchad.

Yeah it can, 2gd is connected to give it a decent early competitive scene, which should be good advertisement for the game. He's also adding what seems like fun, casual game modes which will get new players in.

Yeah because idbethesda learned about QC at the same time as the public.

console gaming

It's meant to be a starter weapon so it's supposed to suck but MG can be used to kill enemies on low HP. Rail/LG/Rockets are basically the 3 golden weapons.

I remember the demo being kinda fun, but the full release was lacking. IIRC the bots weren't great, the artstyle (especially the characters and the color palette) wasn't very good, the movement felt slow (especially after 2k4 but admittedly 2k4's dodge was maybe a bit too much) and the weapons were lame.

Some of the vehicles were pretty good though.

However that's my vague recollection, I haven't touched the game for 10 years or something.

HiRezs signature move is to destroy their own games in some fit of Tzeentchian madness in order to 'focus' on their newer games.

The only way to make sure Arena FPS are successful is to fill it with MILF characters

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What's harder?
>Fighting Games
Or
>Arena shooters

>airsoft
pathetic

You're making shit up your asshole. This is not why arena shooters failed. They failed because NO one played it. Look up every review they'll complain about a lack of players and then say it's pretty good. Arena shooter devs will try again and again but it will fail. Diabolical or whatever it's called is going to fail. I guarantee you. It'll have a slight spike in players but a few weeks after its initial launch it will be a dead game. Screenshot this post faggot.

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probably joking but just in case, diabotical has only had one or two funding campaigns shortly after another and for a long time now there has been no way to support the devs at all, unless you have "investor" type money to throw around. there's currently no way to buy in and I'm not sure if there ever was a way after the initial kickstarter 6 years ago.

Don't compare arena garbage to real skill based games please.

I'd say arena shooters. Gameplay in FPS is a lot more free-flowing so there's a lot more variables to account for.

>Aiming better
>Having better reflexes
>Knowing where the items are on a map

Wow, so much skill.

more skill than building a game around 80% reaction to enemy animations and 20% memorized series of button presses (combos). fighters have no "map" or "aim" to speak of.

arena shooters by far

MG is extremely good as a starter weapon. LG, RL, RG are your bread and butter and cover mostly all scenarios but nailgun is great too for covering retreats/area. Whats even left? GL? Can be good for spamming areas and denying. Shotgun does dick good damage up close. I mean they've all got their purpose

>You're making shit up your asshole.
Feel free to refute any of the claims I made.

Sauce?

I've seen a better example of why competitive gaming is a joke than this thread. If you want to be the best in something make it something worthwhile, games should only be for fun.

Stay delusional fpskiddies.

Neither require real skill that's for sure.

>thinks Quake is comparable to other fps games in terms of skill
stick to your "competitive" console games low IQ ape

>Tribolt

>Thinks quake takes skill
Kys fpsnigger.

No one plays these games because the community is completely comprised of try hard cucks and trannies

Get cancer and...

oh wait

I mean, it's obvious Diabotical devs are posting these threads then machine gun shilling in them just to keep them from dying off like the whole genre, i just hope it isn't 2GD himself because that's just fucking depressing to think of.

This. As perfectly exemplified by this thread.

No but there are literally bethesda shills on Yea Forums

There's nothing wrong with matchmaking if it's offered alongside communitt servers, like csgo. Playing small matches like 1v1 or 4v4 become really unfun when teammates drop out

this kills the larping millennial

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People just need to stop having this idea that you gotta make your arean shooter appeal to purists. It's the same reason why RTS is largely dead as a genre, people keep clinging to certain ideas on how an RTS game should play so you just end up with every title trying to be like starcraft 2.