What's the verdict on this? Should I wait for the aftermarket ones or just go for 2060S?

10 and 20 series Nvidia cards can use Freesync now

if he could afford high-end cards, he should just buy a 2080ti and get it over with.

You can use freesync with nvidia cards on some monitors

im waiting for aftermarket and they are taking their sweet time.

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wait

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what's the point of saying "should I buy [x] even though [y] is coming soon"? there will always be something coming after the next one that will most likely be better and more worth waiting for. just buy something and don't get the new one for a good few iterations down the line

WAIT FOREVER

WHY ARE THE BLOWER FANS SO SHIT BUT LOOK SO GOOD, I DONT WANT GAYMER SHIT ANYMORE.

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If you want to emulate cemu, citra, yuzu and rpcs3 forget about AMD

*if you use windows AND OpenGL, like a faggot.

this should be a given but if you undervolt and mess with fan curves the blowers are very bearable.

I've heard AMD cards are really bad at handling old games.

Vulkan is pretty shit all around

I've heard shit stinks really bad the longer you leave it lying around.

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Blower fans are shit because the design is made so that they are supposed to have the same thermals no matter what kind of PC they're put in.

Had no problems with any.

>sitting here on a toaster from 2008
>want to build a PC
>every month decide to wait a little longer for new tech that's just around the bend
AARRGGHH

...

Do you guys think that temperature will be significantly better with the custom cards? I live in a hot and humid place...

Are pc parts decently priced now? I'm poor and using a 2007 toaster. I was going to get a new one but the last two years with bitcoin mining the prices went nuts.

>upgrade my 2015 budget gpu with a more recent budget gpu
>fps doubles and I can play most games I like on high-ultra settings instead of scrapping 30-40 on minimal
Feels fucking great.

amd cards are significantly worse in dx9/open gl games simply because of shit drivers. that's why its usually recommended to use nvidia when emulating with emu's like pcsx2 which have the most accurate emulation in opengl.

is there any reason I shouldn't just get a rx 570?

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GPU prices went up altogether, while CPU prices are really nice especially with 3600. Radeon 5700 and 5700xt are pretty solid cards at their price points ($350-$400).

Shit, I'm looking at an AMD build. Hope this is bunk.

you can get a decent system for $400

Don't cuck yourself with AMD. There's a reason they're cheaper.

I have a 980 gtx. Which card ahould I upgrade to? Or should I wait?

Might start looking again then.

I don't even really want something amazing, just better than this. Main interest is classic wow and ffxiv.

What should I be going for if I want 1080p with high fps? The 1070 ti isn't a good option these days...

just like intel right

i was in the same position last month, not completely happy with zen2 nor navi/rtx and thought about waiting for zen2+ and nvidia's 7nm
but i bought a 3700x with 2070s and 1440p monitor and couldn't be happier
i had an i5 4460 and gtx980 btw

For 1080p 60 fps it does a decent job, definitely the most cost-effective card but don't expect to run everything on ultra settings at 60.

Looking at pic related, so tempted to just pull the trigger

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it's true but it doesn't really matter if you don't play old games/emulate.

It depends on what you are after.

Nvidia still dominate the high end if you are going for that, however RTX I feel is a year too soon and presently more for screenshot bait.

AMDs post processing effect is more useful, but I've seen some things that show the XT cards which do hit a nice price to power ratio have some heat problems. This could change with aftermarket cards so hopefully Asus and Sapphire will sort that out.

Yea with about 4 monitors. Or some serious fuckery on passthrough.

Depends on what you want and what you want it to do. GPUs have gotten expensive as fuck, but a budget one today does a hell of a lot more than a modest card from years ago. CPUs are a glory time that is amazing. Budget ones are decent and mid grade ones can OC into top end and top and are so much overkill for the price its practically porn.

well right now I just have a gtx 750 so it'd be a decent upgrade because I can barely play new games at low 900p.

2060 minimum I guess

if it stills works fine in games you play then why upgrade if you don't have to. a 980 is still a very solid choice for 1080p gaming especially when overclocked. i watched some vids a few months back about the 970 and even that card which is slower than the 980 was still managing 1080p extremely well even high refresh rate 1080p gaming in competitive games.

It doesn't matter. For any given point in time there is a build that suits your budget. Waiting for brand new parts doesn't just entail getting more performance, it also means spending more than you would right now.

rx 580, gtx 1660 or ti

Ryzen + nvidia is the big brain way to go.

Only retards buy intel in 2019 and even more AMD cards.

>Yea with about 4 monitors
no. it works on every freesync monitor ever made.

>The 1070 ti isn't a good option these days...

You typed this without a hint of irony.

Yes, that will be a great upgrade.

if my 1070 non ti manages high refresh rate 1080p gaming fine then the 1070 ti will easily because it's like 10-15% faster.

>Depends on what you want and what you want it to do.

Well i'm not huge in to gaming these days, play the odd one every now and then so something that can run games well but it doesn't need to run everything at 1440p 300fps.

Sounds like a good budget card would do me.

I realized there no such thing as overkill anymore. When I purchased my 1070, a lot of people says it's future-proof for 1080p gaming now it's struggling.

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Right. If AMD had performance, they would be able to charge more. If AMD had a clear advantage and was charging less, Intel would be forced to lower prices to compete.

>Intel would be forced to lower prices
Like they just did?

Where?

Yea a decent budget card would be fine. Lower end Ryzen CPU would do you to. Cheaper B series motherboards aren't for those last I looked though. However the difference in the new and old boards is entirely I/O so if you aren't needing PCIe Gen 4 then you could buy a cheaper previous gen board and be fine.

But not equally. Making it sound like it will just work is misleading. It won't work like an AMD card it won't work like Gsync. There is a reason Nvidia's list of approved monitors is small. Honestly it should work perfectly on them yes, but Nvidia are a big bunch of assholes and often try to cripple competition even if it means a worse experience for their own customers.

>AMD is competitive with nvidia again while pooping on intel
>DDR4 and SSD prices dropping further than they already have
>high refresh rate monitors are now standard

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>be poorfag
>buy rx 480 years back
>become slow and shit over the last year barely able to hit locked 60 fps in some games like AC origins
>buy friends old 1070 for $120
>runs my 144hz monitor like a dream
>nvidia releases freesync upgrade which makes my games even smoother

Literally don't have to upgrade for a good few years. This card is a fucking beast. It has double the memory of my 480 as well.

I have no idea what "PCIe Gen 4" is so i'll take a look, but i'd imagine i'm fine with out it.

I'll take a look at the CPU and boards, thanks.

Are you dense? It works identically as it would on AMD cards. Literally no different. The nvidia approval certification is for monitor QC and stuff like adaptive sync ranges so you don't get retarded ranges like my monitor which is 90-144. Their certification guarantees like 48-144.

1070 is a pretty good value card nowadays so if you got it for cheap from a friend you got a good deal

I bet you think SLI and Crossfire work the same way too...

I bought a Dell T5500 with dual X5690 CPU computer real cheap.

What's a good graphics card to pair it with?

nobody is talking about sli or xfire you clinical retard. adaptive sync between nvidia and amd on freesync monitors is identical. the difference between the two would only come between a gsync monitor and freesync monitor where the gsync module does some processing but is pretty much obsolete now.

Ryzen 5 3600 ($200) vs Intel i5 9600k ($240), which should I pick? I'm looking at recommended builds on pcpartpicker and don't have any idea why I'd pick one over the other. The price difference doesn't bother me.

Depends on your usage.

Ryzen is usually suggested if you multi-task, Intel for just gayming.

3600 will be relevant for longer and is better in most tasks if you don't exclusively play games 24/7.

intel because motherboards arent gay

GTX 590

so use high setting? getting 35 fps dip on ultra isnt "struggling to play"

It'll also be for music production, if that makes a difference.

Not sure what you mean

>It'll also be for music production, if that makes a difference.

Ryzen.

wrong, some monitors just blank out frequently or have horrible flicker on nvidia while dont on amd

Oh shit you have the same problems as me Yeah the 480 sucks now. I get pretty much locked 144hz with the 1070 on high settings it's the perfect upgrade.

Great, thanks

In Metro**

whats the appeal of 2060 super when you can just get a 5700xt (or wait for aib cards) for the same price and universally better performance
ray tracing?

>Spent $2200 leaf bucks on new PC yesterday
>Upped to Ryzen 3800x at store because budgeted for wireless card only to find out the motherboard had one built in and better power supply was on sale for cheaper then one I had planned
>Fucking ram was $230 pre tax since game devs being so lazy about memory this gen meant I had to get 32 to prepare for next gen and tech friend said 3000 minimum transfer speed so got 3200.

Gotta be a few more days before everything comes in and then I gotta transfer all my shit over but I look forward to actually playing new video games again. Hopefully Arkham Knight runs okay now.

Those would look great with my programmer socks :3

Brand

It runs at rock solid 60 FPS on my 280x and 4670k

>motherboards
i hate people using that word, it's the mainboard...

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have fun im on a 2080ti and 9900k what i dreamed was to play games on max settings yet all i do is play dead cells and obscure mmos still

i've been out of the loop for 2 or 3 years now.
someone redpill me on the rtx series. i've got a i5 4690k and r9 390 and i'm ready to upgrade to a high end computer.

3600 no brainer user. Pair it with a decent cooler (212 black edition is very well reviewed) and you'll be set for life, or at least for quite some time. Be careful about B450/X470 boards not supporting Ryzen 3000 series out of box however, x570 boards do but they're quite expensive and doesn't really worth getting one unless you're running top of the line 3900x with NVMe drive.

if you want a mobo under $150 you have to mess with the bios

>RTX

More like vaporware.

Overpriced meme cards

same shit faggot

Thanks, I'm looking at this build. I'm new to building PCs so just looking at recommended builds from pcpartpicker.

techpowerup.com/257773/amd-radeon-19-7-3-drivers-increase-rx-5700-series-idle-fan-speeds-by-over-50

>Buying AYYMD HOUSEFIRES

TOP KEK

Don't be stupid, how do you connect a daughterboard to a mainboard?

With love silly

AMD has a frame interpolation feature in their driver, useful if ur a weeb and want to watch 60fps videos. Dunno if Navi cards still support that tho.

>>AMD is competitive with nvidia again
AMD offers no comparable gpu to the 2080ti or even 2080 super.
Can't wait for the next gen jewvidia high end gpus starting at $2000

i force my grafuckscard into her

I mean price-wise. Everyone said it was one of the best value cards for 1080p with a high refresh rate but now its almost 500 bucks where I live. Can't really trust those secondhand folks either

aftermarket 5700 xt, theyre coming this week

Depends on price.
If the 5700xt AIB cards end up being around the same price then I think it's hard to justify the 2060s

B I G navi

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>RPCS3
>GPU bound in any system
A GT460 can run P5 fine.

GT640*

why is the ryzen 5 3600 200$ in NA but 200€ in Eu? And looking at everything else, eveything is much cheaper

Taxes

the amd cards are better if you're going for a mid range card

>tfw bought an RTX2080TI
Because it sped up my cgi rendering workload exponentially on my machine

why would idle fan speeds change anything you fucktard? the turbo speeds are the same

I decided to wait and see if the aib 5700xt cards are better since they come out this month

Top tier
AMD CPU, nvidia GPU

Decent tier
Intel CPU, nvidia GPU

Mediocre tier
AMD CPU, AMD GPU

Shit nigger what are you doing
Intel CPU, AMD GPU

Aren't Quadro cards for rendering machines?

top tier is intel cpu and nvidia gpu just because 9900k + 2080ti, those have no competitors.

On other price ranges, it's amd cpu and nvidia gpu

Yeah, and they're expensive as fucking shit for a hobbyist/freelancer. Using OptiX on Blender w/ an RTX card is faster regardless unless you're packing multiple Quadros.

i am currently rocking a 1080, was thinking of upgrading to two 2080ti

how much faster would it make things?
it takes me on average 1.5 to 2 hours for a single frame to render.

Is liquid cooling a meme? All these high end recommended builds include it for some reason.

It's like a dedicated fan, it's for overclocking.

I'm on the fence right now because I found a forum post about my FreeSync monitors specifically is unstable even with forcing it to work with G-Sync Compatibility. It was just one post though, no one else seems to have bothered testing it themselves.
G-Sync Compatibility is only for GTX 10 series and up so I can't even check it with my GTX 970
I don't know whether I should choose not to believe that one guy and buy a 2060 Super just so things work properly or just buy a 5700 XT and suck it up

if you are hammering a system and being max loaded for hours on end, then not a meme.

otherwise, yes, its a meme if you are getting it for looks.

>Is liquid cooling a meme?
Yes, much like modern overclocking. The extra clock speed is engineered into the turbo frequencies and TDP now, leaving little to no overhead.

I whatever engine you are using supports using the tensor cores you should easily get 5x to 6x speedup. At leas on machine learning the 2080ti es about twice as fast as the 1080ti.

I have no interest in overclocking, so I'll pass then. Gracias.

Fucking costs $300-$400 for a custom loop, don't bother.

I plan on getting a 5700XT. Looks like the best price:performance card and also beefy enough for 1440p at good framerates. Also I'll take any chance I can get to not have to support jewvidia.

Just waiting for the AIB cards, whenever the fuck they come out.

What are some good budget gpus?

Right now I'd say an RX580 or 590, that will suit you nicely for 1080p/60hz. They go on sale fairly frequently. RX590 for around $190 and RX580 for less than that.

Used polaris. Ive seen as low as 70 for rx580.

$200 vega 56

>3600
Great price/perf but i'd rather get 3700x
>x570
i wouldn't get this unless with 3900x but the price isn't bad, not sure about ASRock though, MSI launched new B450 MAX that are compatible with with zen2 out of the box
>2060 super
Don't, 5700XT sits right between 2070 and its Super variant for the same price as 2060s
literally no reason to use it (unless you care for ray-tracing in which case you should be getting 2080 bare minimum)

Only issue with used ones is that 99% of the used market for RX580s is buttcoin miners. People argue that miner cards are actually a safer bet than cards used by gamers, but I'm not sure how much of that is just miners trying to sell their shit and trying to coax people into buying. IDK, I'm wary of it.

Thanks, i'll take a look.

How obsolete is my rig? I built it in 2017.

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>AIB cards

Which is the best GPU manufacturer?

Asus has the best cooler but terrible customer support. EVGA has good customer service but the cards run lout. Gigabyte is often the best bang for buck but quality control seems lacking.

>raytracing
good god, I seriously hope no one actually falls for this meme. Especially since, if/when raytracing actually does become viable in the future, it's NOT going to be via nvidia's proprietary RTX bullshit.
RTX is just a DOA gimmick just like physx was.

I usually go with Sapphire and I've never had any problems with them. Also consensus seems to be that Sapphire and XFX are the best partners.
Asus is apparently alright, but they always charge out the ass for no reason.
And I hear gigabyte is garbage, full stop.

None of that affected end user prices

its a huge meme, costs way more than aircooling with little to no performance improvement, on top of your waterblocks corroding over time and needing to be replaced

I decided to hold off until the aib 5700xts come out this month and will re-evaluate. Thanks.

I'm not too computer savvy but I know cars, and know that a water pump is much more likely to fail than a radiator fan.

>AMD
Sapphire, XFX are commonly the best choice
PowerColor isn't all that bad either
MSI depends who you talk to, most like them
ASUS also marks up their price compared to the competition, they're alright though
Gigabyte is if you genuinely do not care and just trying to save money on cheap card and rely on sheer luck for your card's lifespan
>NVIDIA
EVGA has the best customer service, so just play your cards with them
ASUS same as above
MSI same as above
I don't know anything about PNY
Gigabyte same as above

better than mine

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Pc pleb with a toaster, I looked on pcpartpicker and they have this, uk.pcpartpicker.com/guide/pvttt6/entry-level-amd-gaming-build

Is it decent?

Do AMD cards perform the same or worse with intel cpus?

GTX 970 G1 Gaming to 2070s Windforce, Gigabyte is fine

RX 5700 XT is about $530 CAD. Any Canadian here known when would the custom cards be released in the market and how much?

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rx 570 sucks. literally 3 year old GPU. get something better if you don't want your pc becoming useless in a year.

doesn't matter. It's not like some sort of nintendo game cartridge gimmick where if you put an AMD CPU and an AMD GPU together, you unlock bonus content to improve performance.

rx 570

sapphire and xfx

they pretty much always had the best cards and support from their side is just on point

I thought maybe amd+amd gave a slight advantage over an intel cpu. Even less power draw or something

It's almost on par with Radeon VII for 300 bucks less.

Also AMD cards and CPUs age like fine wine improving with each driver pathc while gimpVidia cards break when a new gen comes around.

Gigabyte is not fine on AMD, they've been half assing their AMD cards for a while now, think the last good AMD card they did was the 290x windforce with eveyrthign after being a bit meh and/or overpriced

It's a good budget one though right? That's what people said in this thread. What's a better budget one?

Vega 56 is the better budget option but it comes with the requirement that you tweak it because you need that memory overclock.

Nah, it's just the sum of their parts like anything else. No secret sauce from combining AMD+AMD

will 5700 be as obsolete in 3 years ad 570 is now?

Is there any difference in graphic fidelity between AMD and Nvidia?

I mean some side by side reviews I've seen has NVIDIA beating AMD by 10 fps or so but the images look a bit more blurry or less fluid than AMDs...

There really shouldn't.
There are some unique things to AMD and nvidia that will change how a game looks, but only if you turn them on. There was something about a downscaling method that looked better on AMD than Nvidia, which might have been what you saw, but aside from that and Nvidia having raytracing there shouldn't be anything too different.