Lol git gud

Extremely unlikely chance of getting completely fucked if you play defensively and not aggressively/Campy

Thanks.

you are fucking terrible at the game. get good, fag. then you can complain.

Lmao

>switch off items so you dont have to adapt to them
>play only on two stages out of 50 so you dont have to adapt to any stage hazards
>autistically normalize as much as you can about the rules of this party game
>nintendo introduces Hero who completely shits all over this faggotry
yeah im thinking: based.

HIs up, neutral, and side specials are all a much MUCH bigger problem than RNG menu

lol git gud faggot

>*roll dice*
>*snake eyes*
>LOL GIT GUUD FAG XD

Fucking retards

This. Sakurai BTFO the autistic """competitive""" smash community.

HOES MAD

As if that's the problem. The problem is not so much the RNG, but the fact that his RNG moves are all potent as hell. He's the only character in the game with 1 hit KO moves, one of them having a huge hit box. Snooze pretty much guarantees you taking a stock from your opponent because the Hero's F-Smash is strong as hell. Even more if you get a crit, can kill as early as 30% after a Snooze.

Shouldn't have rolled a snake eyes, you fucking bitch.
Git gud, scrub.

If you get hit by Snooze, Whack, or Thwack, you're retarded

Items would be part of the game if they didn't spawn in random locations.

Joker is significantly more powerful than Hero, but no one complains about him because they've gotten used to his bullshit

>Just don't get hit, bro!
This has never been a good argument. One thing is getting hit by Jigglypuff's Up-B, but Snooze is far better and more reliable, as it has a bigger hit box, is a projectile that travels a decent distance, and doesn't leave the Hero wide open. Thack has an extremely huge hitb box. And well, Whack is indeed easier to avoid.

A kid's party game has random elements, oh no!

it's smash, getting hit once is lethal with about 80% of the cast. The mistake you made to get one hit ko'd would kill you against anybody else

Snooze is slow as fuck, if you can't manage to not get hit by it you should just give up on Smash

Explain how 80% could have one hit KO'd Bowser Jr. this fast while all he did was try to get a Mecha-Koopa out.

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>getting hit once is lethal with about 80% of the cast.
Absolutely incorrect. Peach has one of the most devastating combos in the game, but it isn't a 0-death and she has to get much closer to start it and execute the whole thing without slipping up.

>it's smash, getting hit once is lethal with about 80% of the cast.
No its not. Not even Ganon, Little Mac, Mr.G&W, Peach, or Luigi can OHKO from 0% in 1 move from anywhere with any character.

His moveset is OP as fuck on top of being RNG. Think GW's hammer, but half the numbers are a 9 and two are 10s, on top of having greater range.

Are you actually retarded?

>Sees Hero jump straight for menu
>falls into range
Git gud

>he doesn't know how to roll dice properly
You're in full control of the dice, the way you roll them determines the outcome when they hit the table.
Legitimately git gud.

>Sees Hero move
>doesn't immediate SD and thank Sakurai for the ban
lol scrubs

>This has never been a good argument
You'd hate Guilty Gear.

>complaining about a partygame
Who cares?

It's not supposed to be competitive anyway.

>Not just jumping over and punishing.
He literally can't do anything about it because his animations are long as fuck.

So, what makes Hero so broken?
I don't see why people complain about him

Imagine being this much of a shitter.

t. hero main

>flip coin
>heads
LOL GET GOOD

I'm not, I don't even have him yet

hoes mad

You can literally control how it falls.

>flip coin off thumb
>use psychokinesis to get preferred outcome
Forgot about that ability, my bad.

The virgin apologists:
>Pretends they know more than professional players
>Would get bodied by actual good players, especially without the rules he accuses of them only have to save themselves
>Only wins against their friends and some people online, and only when he gets lucky with items
>Thinks Judge, Green Missile, and Vegetables are comparable to The Hero
>Will claim that other characters have versions of their broken spells. Will never actually say what moves
>”H-he’s not even out yet. Y-you can assume he’s broken”
>Tells you to predict RNG, and do impossible/rare plays or to go against fundamentals (like grabbing his while he’s attacking, but just be invincible bro)
>Actually gets upset that people want to play the game in a way that they want to play, like how VirGinC and casuals get mad at Smogon
>Is actually concerned about what random Japs think of him
>Can’t read at a first grade level and needs several minutes to read the menu
>After all arguments are easily countered, starts to go in fill twitter nigger mode and spams “Hoes Mad” and “Git Gud”

The Chad Ban:
>Can immediately identify if a character is banworthy, even if Hero was already obvious
>Knows his skill level and learns aspects about the meta from informative videos
>Sets up his own rules and joins tours with rules he likes. Respects anyone for not playing with those rules, unless they disrespect him
>Mains hero, but believes he is too good and wants to demonstrate why in practice
>Forces virgins to go apeshit without trying
>Has already memorized the length of each word and only needs the minimum amount of frames to select an attack
>Knows the 2 most broken aspects of hero are Expected Value math and his menu
>Also knows Hero would still be strong without RNG
>Doesn’t pretend or make things up. Every thing he claims in verified and true
>Has sexual intercourse with actual hoes mad with their virgin boyfriends, and varies other women

there is no RNG with 50/50 chances

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How can you look at a webm of him instakilling Jr in 2 seconds and say you can't see why people complain about him?

>"wahh wahh I'm a virgin and I hate randomness wahh wahh"

Git gud.

The gigavhad fun haver:
>lol git gud

A coin toss is 50/50
OP had a 50/50 chance of getting murdered, what he does is give the Hero the opportunity to get fucking destroyed. OP should have just fucking baited the move and not be an idiot.

This is THE most pathetic post I've ever seen regarding smash.
If you play smash competitively, you are barred from being a "chad" for the rest of your life.

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Because all I saw was OP going straight at him and not blocking or dodging.

Unless he gets this handy dandy super exploder that kills at 40% and covers the entire stage

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>going straight at him
Get your eyes checked

...and depletes his mp right after, making him almost useless for that entire stock

git gewd scrub

>But it's okay because he doesn't have access to this amazing attack for about ten seconds afterwards!
Slam your head on a knife you dumb cunt

Imagine being this bad at the game that you can't kill in less than 10 seconds.

>has absolutely no use of any B attack, including recovery after the move
git gud

>OP should have just fucking baited the move

>OP should have just baited a move that has a 1/16 chance of appearing and even less chance of appearing at the top of the move list that comes out in less than a second and can randomly take a stock from you from zero no strings attached and could also have adequately prepared for a move that covers the entire stage, a move that turns his entire body into a death zone, and several long-distance projectiles, all of this within the first two seconds of that match

You guys don't understand Smash.

Oh we do, its shitters like you who don't.

If he opens with that you basically get a free stock by gimping him.
If he opens with any other command menu prompt (20/21), jump over and punish is safe.
Literally get good.

He isn't broken, he requires IQ and adapting in the moment as opposed to spending days autistically memorizing "matchups" between characters
Smashfags aren't smart and aren't actually skilled at fighting games which is why they play smash. They think randomness precludes competitiveness even though the poker word tournament is more competitive and difficult/requires more skill than any smash tournament and poker is RNG.
This is why smashfags gimp the game and ban items and talk about "legal" stages, not realizing that the randomness spreads evenly across all players as number of games tends to infinity which means the more skilled player still wins in a game of smash. But of course smashfags aren't smart so they don't understand this either.
It's like people playing mario kart seriously and complaining about the blue shell.

>we don't like items in our games because their RNG ruins the competitiveness of the game
>sakurai
>hold my beer

Have you considered that good Hero players don't just open the menu in neutral for no reason and just fish for the high roll option when it's safe?

Stop using gameplay against shitters to justify this shit.

>autistically memorizing "matchups"
This is the scrubbiest thing I've heard all decade.

if HERO is so broken howcome no one used him at EVO?

Checkmate fuckers

>RNG Hero causing this much butthurt worldwide
I'm not a DQ fan, and I never cared to have a DQ rep in Smash, but thank Sakurai for putting him in, this shit is hilarious.

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I wish more characters in fighting games had variables like Hero, it would help kill the meta autism that ruins fighters. Understanding what an opponent can do but having some level of uncertainty about what will happen prevents the FGC hyper "game solving" garbage and forces players to take more risks and try more creative strategies.

Where you born in 2003? Memorizing matchups has been a thing since SF2

Don't be retarded, I was saying that there's nothing autistic about match-up knowledge.

The lightning move (side b) is more bull shit than any of the 'random' menu spells.

>>autistically memorizing "matchups"
>This is the scrubbiest thing I've heard all decade.
>Don't be retarded, I was saying that there's nothing autistic about match-up knowledge.

no one's falling for your faggotry, retard.
Yes smash players spend time learning about how different characters optimally play against each other, unless you're admitted smash isn't a fighting game?
I'm not even taking the side of "smash isn't supposed to be competitive" (even though it isnt) I'm saying hero's RNG doesn't preclude competitiveness and smashfags need to figure out how to play with randomness instead of being whiny faggots who literally shit in their pants

Anything that makes nintendo's shit online just a little more intolerable is a good thing in my books. The fags who support it might not stop buying in, but at least they'll still be miserable.

>HE'S BAD BECAUSE THIS
>You can easily circumvent that.
>BUT WHAT IF SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY
Just admit you're shit. Hero has very clear tells, long animations, is slow, has meter management and fairly bad options when pressured. He's not hard, you just have to not be retarded.

acquire skill

>losing to a shittier link version of game and watch

>it would help kill the meta autism that ruins fighters
Yeah by killing the game in general. I'm convinced that everyone defending garbage like in the OP is just trolling because I cannot see the appeal of having that in a game unless you just like that your favourite character is broken like Meta Knight was in Brawl.

This is what you get for taking offense to something autistic being called out for what it is. Might be a necessity in fighting games, but it's still autistic as fuck.

>Hero has very clear tells, long animations

HALF SECOND ONE HIT KOS

Yup, there is nothing about randomness that precludes competitiveness or makes a worse player better than a better one.
If you lose to hero it's because YOU ARE A WORSE PLAYER it's not because of randomness causing you to lose or him to win.

>IT'S NOT LIKE GAME & WATCH THERE'S A CHANCE HE CAN KILL AT 0%!
Smashfags can't comprehend that he can only do it because the chance of it happening is minuscule compared to pulling a 9.

>Yeah by killing the game in general.
I mean you're right, all the shitters would leave.

>His moveset is OP as fuck
Most of his normals are pretty garbage though

I-No's IK, scrub.

Why aren't people addressing the real issue? all of his other specials are bullshit. Most of the hero players i see online don't even use command menu because his other specials are so busted

He will not be used at all in competitive smash so idk why you're all so upset.

>Not caring about what women and society thinks
>Not absolutely Chad

There's a big difference between "crits and IKs exist" and "literally nobody can get in on this guy." One promotes quick thinking and reactions as well as risk taking, the other breaks the game. I honestly wish everyone could crit now.

>unless you just like that your favourite character is broken
There are people who absolutely love broken characters and get off on the butthurt they cause. But at least those people are self aware. The real faggots are the ones who unironically main and defend broken characters to compensate for being a shit player.

>mid 2019
>people still take a party game seriously and competitively.

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this is what I don't understand. fire and lightning are the real OP moves.

Smash still shits on literally any other fighting game in terms of pro scene and viewership lmao

Probably because you can use him online.

Only zap is busted, frizz's real good though.

>Smash still shits
Yeah, we know

>Ah yes Twitter, a place for accuracy and factual reporting

>we
I know.

>Smashfags can't comprehend that he can only do it because the chance of it happening is minuscule compared to pulling a 9.
Mr. Game and Watch also has to be right next to the opponent, and his other numbers suck ass, while Hero can just be half across the stage to get one of his several early kill options.
And unlike Hero, GW has to live with getting 1 or 2, while hero can just select the best spell for the scenario.

Everybody poops user :(

Not girls.

Not when you do it in public and everyone can fucking smell it.

>I have no arguments to defend hero, so I will just insult you

Honestly considering getting into DQ now that it's making Smashniggers' brains melt.
Where do I start?

Dragon I on gbc or snes.

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If you made this video then how many tries did you spent doing it until you got one good for a replay? At least post relevant data like how many times it appeared on menu plus other spells

They're all standalone, much like Final Fantasy and many other JRPG franchises are. Play them in release order as always, starting from DQ1 to DQ11.

>not the phone version

If people seriously think Hero is overpowered in the same vein as Brawl Meta Knight or SF2 Akuma then that's really sad.

You mean the move that she can only use in one round in the match?

You mean the move that has a massively long start-up that advertises "I can instantly kill you now?"

You mean the move that in Sign/Rev2 can only be used when your opponent is at critically low health?

What the fuck kind of comparison is this? If I-No had her IK as a normal move but it only worked 5% of the time it would also be bullshit.

I wonder how many times OP has repeated that to get the webm where he succeeded?

like just BLOCK the moment you enter the arena lmao

They're standalone and the only thing that's changed over 30 years are the visuals so just play whichever one you want.

correct, not the phone version.

They're all playable, though some are pretty clearly better than others.

The first two games are pretty antiquated, its the third game that the series found its footing so you can start there if you want.

>not recommending the best definitive version
Lmao

>git gud is the most retarded argument that only faggots make.
you can have someone who is pro at the game say yea it's shit and broken but these faggots will just say LE GIT GUD because they have no argument

You can't even see because GO covers the screen.

They say it because it gets a rise out of you losers. Stop letting it get to you and people will stop saying it.

We DO have an argument:
Randomness doesn't preclude competitiveness and if you're serious about being "pros" then learn how to deal with randomness

Meta knight and bayo were deterministically broken, equivalent to an opening strategy in chess that 100% of the time leads to white winning.
Hero just has a playstyle built around unpredictability, analogous to sometimes drawing a pair of threes and sometimes drawing a straight flush, and the players have to play knowing that both these are possible. it is not remotely the same and you just don't like it because you're a smashfags who shits in his pants. There is nothing about randomness that precludes competition, smashfags though are babies and can't stand actual competition

Phone 2 and 4 are definitive, 1 SNES/GBC is the same as phone but with a better translation and less anachronistic assets. I do like the new names, though, like Dracolyte.

>Jr drops one of those mechakoopa
>Hero's Thwomp hits it, causing it to trigger
>Jr gets caught in the radius of thwomp
>Hero gets knocked back by the exploding mechakoopa

it was just really bad luck, hero was hoping that Jr was going to drop down through the platform and fall into it

A character with a relatively mediocre base moveset and powerful specials running off a meter mechanic has access to random critical hits and a special attack which brings up a list of four random spells he can choose, a lot of them are useful. Though unlikely, it's entirely possible to break shields in one hit by stacking or even OHKO players. Fun to use.

Hero is the embodiment of a JRPG character thoroughly and is pretty much the antithesis of competitive for some, since they try to strive for a much more consistent environment (no items, mostly plain stages, etc). Meanwhile this guy has RNG as a key feature and he takes a big fat shit into their mouths, hence the bootyblasting.

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He isn't. People are just bitching that he has some strong options, but they're limited by RNG in a menu where many options in it are meh or situational.

Honestly, randomness is fine, even in fighting games.
As long as
A. The randomness is minimal in probability
B. The randomness doesn’t give you a huge advantage
C. The randomness is limited
Problem with items is that they have crazy effects and they were varied between where they spawned and when. Items also just make the game more focused on getting items rather than fighting, and all those combos/data people becomes useless.
This is why most people are fine with the other RNG moves, but not Hero’s, since his RNG has broken effects with almost no downsides.

Yeah. Dunno why everyone's whining. The only thing wrong with this webm is Hero took 10% instead of being the untouchable god he should be.

No, the RNG by itself isn't the problem. The problem is that the effects of the RNG can lead to potentially devastating outcomes while the Hero will not be punished if the RNG fails. If you don't hit anyone with Thack, it doesn't even leave you open for your opponent to counterattack, as it has no endlag and its MP cost is minimal. If your opponent is hit by it, they will probably die instantaneously. Same with critical hits, they don't cost Hero anything while being able to kill your opponents extremely early.

>People are just bitching that he has some strong options
Almost all his options are strong and they most certainly are not offset by RNG. Even his non-RNG specials are extremely good.
Some of them are just direct upgrades from other moves that are seen as incredibly good.

DQ1/2/3 is a trilogy, but 1 is super short and finishing 2 isn't necessary to appreciate 3 (at least try to make it to the Dragonlord if you play it).
DQ4/5/6 is a thematic trilogy but you can play whatever you like. The rest are self contained, but 11 is a celebratory anniversary game that gains a lot from playing the others.

1, 3, 4, 5, 8 and 11 are all good entry points. 7 is good but not a great starting place. 9 is accessible to play but not a good first impression. 2 and 6 are the nadir and not good places to start. Play remakes of 1-7 where you can, DQ is a rare series where remakes are straight improvements. Do not play 1 or 2 on NES/Famicom at any cost, they're far grinder to pad playtime.

I bet you pulled shit out of your ass to justify maining MK and Bayo in Brawl and 4 you fag. You'll do the same with Hero in the next game once he's incapable of carrying your sorry ass.

The RNG Moves are pretty strong, and smashfags are too dumb to know what a fast character or sword character is.

Not that Hero will be in the next game, if there's even one. Fully expect Cloud to be gone as well.

>people will stop saying it
You greatly underestimate autism

This.
People don’t realize that you need bad outcomes to offset the good outcomes.

I never had brawl and never even played 4 you sniveling moron. You have no counter argument so you have to make up as hominems.
Hero doesn't carry anything in the same way a poker playing at the world tournament drawing a flush doesn't carry the player, and I don't care at all about playing smash competitively as I'm not a virgin who LITERALLY shits in his pants during tournaments.
Now come up wth an actual counter argument against hero while understanding that randomness doesn't preclude competitiveness or skill (like in poker), or admit you're just a trash player.

>since his RNG has broken effects with almost no downsides.
But that's fucking wrong
>Several skills are just flat worthless (one literally only useful against other hero players if they're dumb enough to use one of the worthless skills)
>Magic Burst drains his MP, so if it doesn't kill it becomes easy to gimp
>Down B as a whole is easy to gimp as it is
>Most common options are projectiles
>A few are melee range attacks you're only going to edge guard with
>Thwack is very unlikely to kill before 100, much less at 0
>Bounce is good, but still has the rng menu to even find, which leaves him open to harass by any competant projectile spammer and any competent projectile spammer can adapt to when he DOES have it
Face it, you're bad.

Pretty much, Hero has exactly ONE move where the RNG can work in his favor or against him, and that's Hocus Pocus. Anything else that involves RNG works either for him or doesn't really generate particularly punishing circumstances for him. I can only think of going trigger happy and using Kaclang while being in midair or Kamikaze when you're doing to your last stock, but that would be entirely the player's fault and not the RNG.

I hope so. Smash is going way too far with 3rd parties. The only acceptable characters are the ones with strong ties to Nintendo.

You're a retarded scrub if you think Hero is comparable to Smash 4 Bayo and even within the same realm as Brawl MK.

The fact that you didn't immediately say you don't main Hero, despite so quickly claiming to have never played Brawl or 4, is all anyone needs to know faglord.

>dude what if we made a swordie
>what if we gave him a million kill options, multiple that outrange basically everything and one or two that cover the whole fucking stage
>what if we also gave all of his smash attacks a chance to deal double damage/knockback
>shit why not make him the fucking heaviest swordie in the game while we're at it

Again, wrong. There is no hand in poker that works against the player, just hands that aren't as good as other hands. Yet poker still is objectively more competitive and difficult and requires more skill than smash.
There is nothing wrong with hero, except maybe that his fire hurts by like 40% (it should be more like 25% when full). Otherwise there's nothing OP or broken about his character and the entirety of the butthurt can be boiled down to:
>"it's like playing the game with items on wahh wahh!!"

Bayo isn't broken, just DI bro.

Hold Game N watch’s 9

I don't "main" anything you sniveling moron, I've been playing with hero because he's new, I switch up characters all the time because I am not a virgin whi takes this game seriously. Now come up with an actual argument, oh wait you can't because you're not smart and there isn't one.

We're not talking about poker, we're talking about Smash. Either make arguments grounded in Smash or be quiet.

Maybe because there are no real pros, you can't play less than half a game and call yourself a pro at it. Master the whole game as is or get fucked scrubs.

>being a lucklet

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And just, like, don't get hit with MK. All these characters are balanced and fair, I don't know why people are bitching.

a children's

party

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We're making arguments about the value of randomness in "competitive" games. The butthurt around hero is about randomness and claims that the RNG makes him unpredictable and broken, but it does neither. Drawing analogies to poker to point out the stupidity of the complaints is fine.

>I don't "main" anything
The fact that you're getting this assblasted over this like an autist just makes it obvious you're lying faggot. You shit on the competitive scene because you're too shit to be a part of it.

>tfw like Hero's other specials way more than down B

Now I'm legit considering buying a switch and smash only to play Hero online.

I've already said a million times that Hero having RNG isn't the problem. The problem is that Hero's fully functional without critical hits, his Smash attacks are just as powerful as anyone else's, yet add to that the possibility of doubling the damage and knock-back they do at no cost whatsoever. This can lead to your opponents dying at 30%. Look at how damn fast Bowser Jr. died in OP's WEBM just from a single move, so other character in the game can factually kill you two seconds after the match started, that's ridiculous. The fact that he's even able to do these things to begin with at no significant cost is what makes him stupid, not that he's "unpredictable." If Thwack also included the possibility of him killing himself due to RNG then it would be fair game to me. Either that or make it impossible for the move to kill if their opponent isn't above a fixed percent, like 50% or so.

Please do. Making Nintendo's online as garbage as possible is a noble goal.

People keep talking about how its the Bowser Jr.'s fault, but NO character should be able to get an instant kill. That's shitty fucking game design. Fuck this character, I genuinely hope they get banned.

Mad

Literally what did Jr even do wrong for people to try and claim it was his fault.
>just preemptively dodge or shield the second you drop into the match if you don't want to be IK'd lmao

he's the only character in the game that can, with no indication until hit, basically kill confirm off of any uncharged smash attack at low percentages

this is why Smash is a joke and just a shitty party game. it's even worse than Mario kart because it has RNG built into the characters rather than just items that can be turned off.

HOES

>Heaviest Swordie
that's still Ike.

I am literally shitting myself in anger right now!

>mfw tourneyfags thought Sakurai's tweet was him finally accepting competitive smash
>turns out it was just him gloating over their eternal butthurt
Based

ike's shit comes out so slow he may as well not be one

This. Literally fuck all these people ITT like

Imagine if there was a traditional fighting game with a character who could randomly IK you at the start of a match too. People would most definitely bitch about that. Shit, people bitch about the crap you see in SFV and no one in that game can IK you.

>buh his spells cover the entire stage
So just counter pick him to Hyrule Temple or something which you could do if you didn't agree to some shit stage list.

Poker is a trash game for gamblers. only games worth playing are games of skill. RNG shit is inherently bad design.

>comparing a fighting game to fucking poker
bruh

If you could do that then you would get shit like Sonic counter picking Incineroar and Ganondorf to Hyrule Temple. Run to them, damage them, and proceed to run all over the place as they can't even get near you. Sounds like a great time.

Literally retarded

You can see their menu,
you know their attack moves in a straight horizonal line or is an explosion at the Hero's body.
git gud.

And he'd still fuck you up if the other player isn't trash.

Is that reflectable?

>not understandin the use of analogy and comparison to make a point about skill in games with randomness

people like you are more autistic than the people you dont like

Being a Ganon main in 4 was suffering. Didn't help that every autist who would do that shit thought you picked him just to disrespect them.

Hero might be my favorite character in any fighting game ever, just because he's making shitters seethe so hard

>thinking that was even remotely a good analogy
bruh

It was called Faust in Guilty Gear XRD, except what he had were not instant kills

then why would they play party games

Imagine being both autistic AND bad at video games. I'm sorry for your lot in life, user.

I think he's only like this because the games themselves stress that a good RPG is like a very generous casino. The thrill of pressing your luck, the real danger of consequence, etc.

Variables are great to an extent. Outside of "dont get hit" there is nothing you can do about the random criticals. Spells like Hocus Pocus are fun and okay, moves like Judge have very long start up and also a potential bad outcome which could be very damaging to the character as well, 15% on one of the lighest characters in the game, while not as damning as 30%+ huge knockback to your opponent, still hurts. Hero doesn't have big punishment windows on Twhack, and he isnt actually forced to commit to a menu option when he opens it as well minimizing that risk too.

>If you lose to hero it's because YOU ARE A WORSE PLAYER
Whatever makes you think you're good, user.

Honestly though, I hope Sakurai doesn't nerf him just so the online is that much shittier.

He has a special move that has completely random results which includes

>hitting your opponent harder
>Instantly killing your opponent like OP video
>Instantly killing yourself and taking down the opponent with you
>Teleporting to the center of the stage letting him recover no matter what

Some people are comparing this to peach pulling a bomb or Mr G&W pulling 9 on his flag attack but none of these attack are an instant kill

oh nonononono

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>dude haha le epic salt xd hoes mad rofl

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>so you have to make up as hominems.
this coming from the guy who spent most of the threads calling people "smashfags" and accusing them of shitting their pants

HOES
MAD

The thing is, he can just use the best spells or cancel out of the menu is he wants to
>>Magic Burst drains his MP, so if it doesn't kill it becomes easy to gimp
MP generally is a non-issue and avoiding it is incredibly hard, especially if you are in the air
>>Down B as a whole is easy to gimp as it is
If you’re like Sonic or the player can’t read maybe.
>>Most common options are projectiles
How is this bad?
>>A few are melee range attacks you're only going to edge guard with
A few? Maybe. Although you can just use Side/N B
>>Thwack is very unlikely to kill before 100, much less at 0
There is almost no ending lag
>>Bounce is good, but still has the rng menu to even find, which leaves him open to harass by any competant projectile spammer and any competent projectile spammer can adapt to when he DOES have it
Needing to do some fishing in order to completely shutdown several options projectile based characters have and force them into doing neutrals is already worth it.
Not to mention the fact that the Hero can adapt himself to you adapting. His neutrals can come out just as fast or even faster than many rushdown characters.
>Face it, you're bad.
I’m not the one claiming positives are negatives and telling people to drop your fundamentals to beat one character. And nor do I lack the understand of why Hero is different from Judge.

Phoenix Wright diddid.

>Professional video game player
That’s not a profession. You’re just good at a game. Get a job.

Wow. You are legitimately furious now.

I think hero is fair to most degrees except the superarmor he gets on side B and the fact that his dash attack seems to kill pretty early for most characters, also side B doing like 50% in one swing is kind of bullshit

Noone is angry were just telling you that you're pathetic for taking a video game seriously

Being able to understand probability theory and intelligently use it in real time is far more skillful and requires more intelligence than any other form of competition.
It's unironically something only high IQ humans can do, unlike what you're talking about which you can train monkeys to be able to do.
You're just mad because you have no skill

>He doesn't know

Imagine not begin able to roll dice properly?

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>animation starts at 9:59.26
>gets hit at 9:58.90
>full second

>Why yes, I do main Hero, how could you tell?

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>He's the only character in the game with 1 hit KO moves
>What is G&W hammer
>What is Falcon Punch
>What is Warlock Punch
>What is a fully charged nuetral B from Roy

Before you whine that those moves never land you have just as little of a chance of hitting someone with thwack in a competitive match

Git gud...at this children's party game.

All I take from this Hero asshurt is Sakurai could literally come out and say he made him broken to see if the "community" has the balls to ban him, and they still wouldn't do it

None of those are one hit KO moves you faggot

I genuinely don't give a shit about being good at smash, I'm just proving that hero requires skill and randomness is more difficult to get good at than determinism. Why are you virgins incapable of understanding this?

Git gud, hoes mad, have shower.

>dragon quest monsters
I FUCKING KNEW THIS EXISTED HOLY FUCK.
It was one of those games i thought i dreamt up and had no clue what it was called.

Roy's is.

None of those are by definition one hit KO moves. Even then, compare something as slow and telegraphed like Falcon/Warlock Punch or that requires to be charged forever like Roy's neutral B to Hero's Thwack and Whack, which come out in the blink of an eye.

Neither is thwack considering there's only an extremely small of chance of it doing anything below 50% and that's on top of the fact that it should never be hitting any competent player to begin with. Spamming hammer for a 9 is unironically more viable as an option you retards. You don't see the difference because your experience with the game is playing against level 3 cpus

>heads or tails?
>heads
>*lands on tails*
>LMAO FUCKING IDIOT WHY DIDNT YOU JUST PICK TAILS

It's one mega autist keeping this thread up 24/7 because he hates that DQ got into Smash.

GIT
GUD
SCRUB

have you tried getting gud?

>*roll dice*
>*dodge the dice roll*
>*fag tries to roll dice again*
>*knock the dice out of his hands while he's using the command prompt*

What a great analogy

Unless if you JV4 every hero player you ever play against there's a chance you're going to die at 0

>>Neither is thwack considering there's only an extremely small of chance of it doing anything below 50% and that's on top of the fact that it should never be hitting any competent player to begin with.
There's proof showing that it is right there in OP's webm. Shut the fuck up you dumb faggot.

But user he made the mistake so staying on the platform for half a second so he deserves to die at 0%

The OPs pic was made in training mode and obviously took several attempts for him to record you baiting faggot

>training mode
>timer

Keep in mind that whack and thwack also increase in chance both when the Hero and the opponents damage increases.

Yes versus mode counts as mode for training you cherry picking faggot. Try doing what OP did online and see how viable that turns out

based retard

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Alright user, that was a legitimately amazing backpedal. This (You) was earned. Don't spend it all in one place, now!

Why is every hero apologist saying the same shit
>lol just dont get hit by any of his moves
>your bad for being hit by a move
Thwack comes out as fast as dedede's gordo fuck off

So you hate smash and want it to be bad

G&W 9 can ohko some characters but he has to get right beside them and it leaves him open if he misses

Don't forget how they screech "HOES MAD XD UPVOTE PLS" and "PARTY GAME HAHA YOU MUST FEEL FOOLISH NOW" when their shitty arguments crumble and back them into a corner.

Thats not Fast at all

Imagine being so far up your own ass you not only defend a blatantly broken character because you're bad, but you try to act smart for doing it.

Surprised you also didn't say people shouldn't whine that they aren't OHKO moves either you flamboyant buttmuncher.

thwack and wack have a low chance of killing at 0%. a really low chance. why hasn't anyone brought this up.

The people who post the hoes mad and party game shit genuinely hate smash and are celibrating that a character that can potentially ruin the games has joined the roster

Imagine being such an idiot that you can't comprehend skill because you're butthurt about RNG even when it's been proven dozens of times that utilizing probability is more difficult than memorizing movesets
And more importantly, imagine being such a pantshitting virgin that you can't comprehend people don't take the game you Masturbate over seriously and they may just play it for fun and genuinely not care about being "good" at it.

You can try to pretend it's all about the ones playing against Hero all you want, but you know you only like him because he makes you feel good.

Hero doesn't ruin the game, virgin

I don't even own a switch you literal virgin

Because OP's webm shows that "low chance" doesn't matter when the chance still exists. Bowser Jr. died at 0% in less than two seconds, this is a fact.

We need a crown that says king of faggots so we can ship it to this guy

You're making a lot of assumptions there body. I'm just triggering you because you're blatantly autistic and drone on about how your RNG takes so much skill in a vain attempt to try and pass yourself off as a good player. I haven't even bought any DLC for smash, let alone paid for Nintendo's shit online.

here's another thing, as soon as he opened the menu for the very first time in the first few seconds, thwack happened to be the second option. then, he uses thwack at the same time bowser jr gets close. and then it happens to work. the chances of this happening are astronomically low.

>couldn't roll high enough to avoid a guaranteed 0% kill
Fucking bad player, get good before you continue crying some more.

Mini Yea Forumseekend post.

1v1 rule set.
Show me what you got!

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Hoes actually mad.

Competitve smash has always been a joke. Both the community AND the game itself. Glitches and tierwhoring in game, while hygiene problems, rigged matches, and sexual assault plague the "competitive" Smash scene.

Hero is based.

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For an instant KO move that covers such a large area, it is.

Then what are you doing getting mad and spouting bullshit in this thread?

So you're saying Bayonetta's F-smash should instant kill at 0%?

Bowser Jr. didn't "get close," all he did was a short up and try to get a Mecha-Koopa out, he didn't move at all. He was basically punished with an instant KO just for trying to summon a Mecha-Koopa, it's so depressing that it's hilarious.

The fact is that all other characters have a 0% chance to get a OHKO attack at all.

>G&W

Oh yeah, rewatched the webm. I won't say that bowser jr's fault, but still, the chances of this happening are way too low for this to be even taken into account in more than 99% of the time. I still do agree that thwack should not kill at 0% under any circumstances, but at the same time it's not the end of the world

>Casuals scream that their casual fightin game just got casualized even further
Do Smash players realize no one else cares about something fucking the balance in a casual game?

>guaranteed

When has G&W ever done a one hit KO at 0% two seconds after the match started?

Jr did not try to get close and did absolutely nothing wrong yet still got creamed with a OHKO. Don't try to defend this. You can try to make it sound as slow as you want, but everyone can watch it happen in a split second in that webm.

Just use Roy and counter lmao

>start game of Smash
>Pokeball spawns right next to me
>throw it at the ground
>that area of the stage is now denied to my opponent
>assist trophy spawns in that area
>grab it and use it
>now have an AI partner double-teaming the enemy
>Franklin's Badge spawns in the area blocked off by the Pokemon/AT
>grab it
>now the opponent is forced to approach at melee range but can't even do that because of Pokemon/AT and i'm free to approach in whatever way I want
This is why items are banned. You can get lucky with an item drop that proceeds to snowball the entire match in your favor. It no longer becomes a test of skill but a test of luck.

I honestly expect this to get patched.

I hope not. More people need to give Nintendo the finger for their online and shit like this is a nice push.

>go against daisy
>she presses DownB
>now has a bob omb and im forced to play around this extremely unlikely random mechanic

Ban this character because she is a test of luck rather than skill. I'm simply not good enough at the game to adapt to literally anything so it should not be allowed.

Damn dude, way to miss the point this hard.

>go against strawman
>call user a faggot
You're a faggot.

>Unless you're good there's a chance you're going to die at 0
git gud faggot

The analogy isn't valid because the only reason people are ok with randomness in poker is that many, many hands are dealt, this is precisely done to water down the unfair effects of randomness.

You can ask literally any poker player and he will tell you that two or three hands mean nothing because randomness can easily decide the result of such a low amount of hands, fortunately poker hands are quick and that allows people to play a truckload to decide who is better.

That can't really be said about most esports, adding randomness to most things would be retarded and it would 100% hinder competitiveness.

Getting a Bob-omb doesn't allow Peach/Daisy to control the stage for an extended period of time and pick up many other items unchallenged.
Are you retarded or something? I don't understand why people still try to contest the item ban. People far more experienced with the games and their mechanics have spent far, far more time thinking about this than you have.

The difference with G&w is he has to get right beside the oppenent and theres a chance it will hurt him instead. Also the 9 doesnt ohko every character only a few

Because they want to feel like they're good without having to git gud. RNG is their only hope.

Not even close

tl;dr

Smash is cancer

It didn't have to be this way.

J-Just don't get hit

You can technically survive a 9 at 0%

>He didn't put all points into luck when he was born
Look fag, don't cry to us when you fuck up

9 Judgment sure as hell isn't a guaranteed OHKO at 0%, shitter. Try again.

wait you had points from the start?

Your mom didn't steal your points right?

I'm not even pretending I'm here to argue, and hoes STILL mad. Thanks for the (You)s you unironic scrubs.

Damn I love Smash threads with tryhards like you fucks.

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>You and your opponent literally have the same equal chance of winning
>WOW LMAO RIGGED AM I RIGHT?! ITS ANOTHER SHOAH

>Missing the point this hard

silence heads fag, tails chads run this

You can't gid gud against rng dumbass.

Hilarious.

Is there a good way to emulate old DQ games on mobile?

ITT: crybaby complains about party game. thanks sakurai for finally making smash (more)casual again

>snake eyes
You got a five and a one

So why don't Joker, Cloud, Ness, Lucas, every Pokémon, and every Fire Emblem character have a chance of getting random critical hits as well?That's a feature in all their games as well.

>both characters start the game with a Down-B
>Bowser Jr's takes more than a full second to complete for a projectile thats slow, does a couple % damage, and can be caught by the opponent
>Hero brings up menu and picks thwack in 0.6 seconds
>punishes Bowser Jr pressing 1 button in the first 0.5 seconds of the game for an instant kill
God the power level difference between these two characters is fucking insane. How did Sakurai think this shits balanced?

she died before I was born

Nobody had to try hard to blow you the fuck out

Inb4 meme posts

hero sucks lol. another case of a fighting game character with huge slow fuck you moves that scrubs will walk into online then have a temper tantrum. he's okay as a zoner but that's it.

Nintendo hasn't understood game design since Iwata passed.

Because then the mechanic wouldn't be unique you dumb dumb.

>say something retarded
>everyone calls you a retard
>thanks, damn i love smash threads

ok

>guy works his whole life, makes 50 grand a year, buys a house, makes investments and opens a small business: 10 mil to his name
>junkie hobo never works a day in his life just walks into a gas station and buys a lotto ticket: 100 mil to his name
what the fuck? who balanced this shit? why do these hobos with shit airspeed and frame data and recovery have it so good? this is bullshit

Honestly I'm fine with the menu, it's fun to play with and against it and only shitters complain about it.
Now critical smashes, THOSE are the problem.

>Leaves out OHKO options, particularly one that is unblockable, fuck-huge, and bypasses the knockback-based combat that the game runs un by having the opponent just explode on the spot
>Leaves out moves doing more than 60% a pop
>Leaves out that the character has Link-level endurance
>Leaves out that the character puts out big hitboxes
>Leaves out that there's a 1/8 chance for a Smash attack to be twice as strong as it would usually be, meaning an uncharged smash attack could end up being as strong as a fully-charged one by default

This man is 100% right, and the angry smash autists screeching at it only mark it as true.

It's just. A party. Game.

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>unblockable
I sure hope you're not talking about Thwack, because if you are you're dumb

Are the hobo and the man having an established competition to see who can earn money the best?

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Ooh, pardon me. And everything else?

exactly

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If I want to play Smash Terry's game, should I finish Terry's Wonderland or VI?

hoes mad

niggerrap trash

>The fact is that all other characters have a 0% chance to get a OHKO attack at all.

nice reading comprehension lucklet

Sure, the big damage attacks you're whining about are all slow and easy to avoid, except Magic Burst when you're off stage

...

thats what life is dumbass

This. I've airdodged everything up to Kamikazee with a sideways joycon.
Just fucking git gud shitters.

>roll die
>roll a 1
>roll a 2nd die because you're a fucking moron
>get snake eyes
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

That isn't life.

Yeah OP is fucking retarded. He should have punished when the menu came up.

>thwack is unblockable
why argue about something you don't know the first thing about?

Who is best hero?
>Android 17
>Gohan
>Trunks
>Horsefucker

Have you tried not getting hit by the attack?

>Paintball match
>The opponent team sometimes fires real bullets
>GIT GUD LMAO

Hell yeah.

I'm glad you understand. Now keep standing still while people kill you. That's not a good strategy but it's something.

it is and I'm winning

I have never gotten hit by Snooze, Whack, or Thwack and I have played over 100 games against Heros so far. Just shield.

Not if your bitch is cheating on you with me fag.

Nothing. They just haven't learned the matchup yet. He's the new K Rool. He'll be mid tier at best.

I have never gotten hit by any character in the game and I've played over 9000 matches in the past hour. Just godmode.

>that kills at 40%
I've yet to see that happen.

My fellow gamer. I've just hit 10000 games and I've ascended.

>party game has randomized mechanics
ya don't say

>CTRL F hoes mad

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Yet you believe everything Yea Forums says without question.

HOES MAD

Yea Forums is pretty dumb, but we're not that dumb.

Roy's fully charged B is the only one of those that's a true 1hko, and it takes 10 seconds to charge.

Falcon Punch doesn't even kill under 70.

I don't get it. How is this any different from what MGW does? Why are people whining about RNG only now?

Because tourneyfags are morons.

Let's see what the real experts on smash say about Hero.

ssbwiki.com/Hero_(SSBU)#Attributes

Wow, that's a big list of negatives and drawbacks he has.

Sakurai wasn't the one who designed the DLC character movesets this time around. It was Nintendo. You can tell because of how stupid and bland these movesets are compared to all of the fun movesets we got in Smash 4 and vanilla Ultimate.
>hero's stupid ass RNG
>joker just gets a limited time buff to his attacks instead of the tandem mechanic found in the persona fightans

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It must suck being blind.

It must suck being a retard who can't do math. MGW is far more likely to one shot someone at 0% with Judge than Hero with whatever spell that is.

when all these retarded non-arguments are being spouted the only correct response is to say

HOES MAD

For the same reason people were screaming about Joker being broken, he's new and people aren't used to his shit yet

I thought the 'smash threads are full of underages' was just a meme, but this one confirms it pretty easily

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>joker just gets a limited time buff to his attacks instead of the tandem mechanic found in the persona fightans
Joker and Arsene don't fight in tandem?

youtube.com/watch?v=jZuktUfF0nE

You don't even know the name of the move yet you think you're qualified to talk about it?

Go wash your dad's car, timmy.

Either.

Friendly reminder that everybody defending the hero blindly and saying "git gud" about thwack and crits is a shitter that can only win through luck

On the other hand, everybody whining like a piss baby about it sucks equal amounts of shit at the game.

Yea Forums would be a better place if everyone in this thread got permabanned, including me.

Just don't get hit.

>damn I can't prove him wrong
kek

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take your meds old timer, don't you have a 9-5 to get back to?

If it's so likely then go ahead, show proof of G&W one-shotting someone during the first two seconds of a match by purely using Judge and nothing else.

You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you dude

No one said Joker was broken until MKLeo won a tourney.
>Joker and Arsene don't fight in tandem?
It's just a limited time buff instead of a true tandem mechanic. Tandem mechanics allow you use your Persona/Stand separately from your character. It's closer to Zelda and her Phantom than Arsene and Joker.

>first 2 seconds
OP's webm didn't even take 1. 2 seconds is too lenient.

>No one said Joker was broken
I see you weren't here when he first released

your dad never taught you how to roll dice?

Assuming both moves connect.
if Judge connects there's a 10% chance it'll be a OHKO.
The odds of Hero having the OHKO spell in his spell list is roughly 0.19 and there's whatever the probability of OHKO'ing anyone at 0% is. Assuming it's as high as 20%, the odds of the the KO happening are 3.8%.
3.8 < 10.
This is basic math user.

DQM references DQ6 Terry's arc, so either works.

>assuming both moves connect
Stopped reading there. Hitting someone with Judge at 0% is not even remotely close to being able to hit someone with Thwack at 0%. Hence, why you were called blind.

No one complains about Joker anymore because every single Joker player just runs away from all fights so no one has ever seen one of his attacks.

Hoes mad, git gud.

DUDE WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST REAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCT

Not my point. My point is that MGW is far more likely to OHKO with Judge which is also a more spammable move than Hero's down B, and yet people don't whine about it.

Herofags absolutely BTFO

>being unable to counter the argument that proves that randomness doesn't preclude competitiveness

>Still seething that streamers are now getting paid more than most of the population and that they're a legitimate form of entertainer

maybe not if you suck at the game. You just can't really do it in the first 2 seconds of the match, but you can attempt it repeatedly so it evens out.

Then just play 20 rounds of 1 minute each to see who is the best. It's not hard

GW's 9 doesn't actually one hit KO and people do whine about it when GW is relevant to meta, though the opportunity cost is entirely different due to judgment often being punishable on hit.

That would be better than the format now for telling who is or isn't better but it would also be significantly longer. There's a reason why results are different in EVO format and why tournament goers largely prefer 3/5. It weeds out not only RNG, but a lot of gimmick setups.

herofags legitimately have sub 100 IQs

incredible

Blatant P2W bullshit. No real way around it outside of hair splitting done by idiots.

I've never tried to pass myself as a good player you literal virgin, YOU are the one asserting that that's what I'm trying to do. You can't even read nor can you understand the idea that a person can know you're wrong and explain to you why you're wrong while not themselves being involved in the topic of conversation.
Are all smashfags as genuinely unintelligent as you?

DUDE JUST DON'T GET HIT
IF YOU GET HIT ONCE EVER BY ANYTHING YOU SHOULD LOSE A STOCK

Because I'm neither mad nor spouting bullshit. I don't need to play smash ultimate to know and explain why there's nothing wrong with RNG in competition and that smashfags are pantshitting virgins

>Tandem mechanics allow you use your Persona/Stand separately from your character. It's closer to Zelda and her Phantom than Arsene and Joker
All Zelda's Phantom does is zip out, do one hit, and vanish, that's hardly tandem. What you want seems to be "The AI controls Arsene and he attacks and moves on his own while you control Joker". Tell me how that wouldn't be beyond broken.

>When GW is relevant to Meta

Is hero relevant to meta?

Not after he gets banned, lol.

Keep dreaming, bud

i love crying about hero for 7 hours straight because of one match

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>there's a 10% chance it'll be a OHKO
9's aren't a OHKO though.

No matter what you think, Leffen is right. Hero is gonna get nerfed and should still be banned from comp regardless.

>literally every single pro says that Hero is completely broken, worse than Bayo ever was
>some lobotomite on Yea Forums says "HOES MAD"

who the fuck should I believe bros

If it's so likely then there should be plenty of proof out there. Go ahead and find some. If you cannot prove this then you absolutely cannot compare G&W's "jank" with Hero's.

you should believe in not taking smash so seriously and having fun with friends :D

give it a rest autismo

How about actually pay fucking attention to what your opponent is doing, space them out, use your shield and in general HIT THEM WHEN THEY FUCKING PULL UP THE MENU! I don't even play Smash that often and he's not that hard, Jesus Christ!

He's jank. That's all there is to it. Ppl honestly need to learn how to shield. But then again, Hero can do quite a hefty amount of shield damage.

Yea Forumsros before pros

this

yesterday, when playing my friend, when I randomly opened the menu and blindly selected the first option in a millisecond and got lucky and thwacked my friend and instantly got a stock taken off him, he should have reacted

Judge isn't even a 1 hit kill attack. It's just strong knockback and anyone who gets hit by it at 0 still has the ability to not die from it.
It's also not a projectile with a massive amount of range, being only a small, non-disjointed hitbox near G&W.
It also has quite a big chance of it actively harming G&W with 12% self damage and being minus on hit.
Meanwhile,
Hero's Menu is always guaranteed to give you something good, since there are always 4 options available to you. And even if you don't get what you want, you're still able to cancel it in up to 4 frames by jumping or shielding. It's always a threat.

top kek

>I don't even really know what I'm talking about BUT I HAVE AN OPINION!

He currently is relevant to the meta by being a large unknown, yes. Look at the people whining about all sorts of characters before tournaments proved where they really ended up.

I don't think I lost against a hero yet, are most of you guys sub 1 mil gsp brainlets?

Yes, he should have reacted. It's also 100% completely HIS FAULT for being in that situation in the first place.
You have to be retarded to not expect a thwack or kamikaze from Hero at ANY time. You should always be prepared.

play better heros

next in line please

Honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.

The only one who says hes broken is Leffen and everyone else mocked him for it. The comp scene is putting Hero, on average, around high mid tier at best, low mid at worst.
His normals are shit and have a fuckton of end lag, his aerials are meh at best, and down B is wildly inconsistent, so you cant depend on it to give you anything good for your situation. The only move that seems fucked is Side Smash fully charged, that shit is nuts.

What the hell are you even talking about, you faggot? Do you not play any game besides Smash? Do you not understand what the mechanic I'm talking about even is?
Play HftF and P4U, then get back to be. And stop being such a retard.

I'm playing elite smash heroes though

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> imagine only playing Smash and not understanding how to adapt.

if you're allowing the Hero player to browse through his menu you might as well throw the game cause you suck at it and is losing one way or another

I finally understand now. What I should be doing is dodging and shielding 100% of the time lest I get thwacked or kamikazed in a split second at any time. Attacking or generally being in Hero's range is far too risky.

The Wizard player
>Makes a whole match using only the things that are banned on the least competitive viable stages
>Spams the most cancerous moves against other cancerous moves to see which one is better.
>Judge vs Judge battles
>Wants Coin Battles to come back

>Hero's Menu is always guaranteed to give you something good, since there are always 4 options available to you.
He has like seven attacks that either have no worth or harm him, and he also pulls from a meter system while Judge is free.

None of his attacks outside of the menu are any good, and if you're just letting him browse Menu then you're literally a brainlet, and if you're dying to a guy just spamming down B and just hitting the first option then that's your fault for not being defensive.

Someone should make a threat bubble diagram of Hero's Down B.
>make sure you aren't anywhere in front of him so you don't get thwacked and put to sleep
>also make sure you aren't anywhere close to him so you don't get hatcheted and frozen
>also just generally don't be around him in case he pulls out the magic burst
>oh but also you have to keep close to him so you can hit him while he's browsing his menu
>oh, you got hit by an explosion? haha what a loser. you should have been miles away instead of being up close. just don't get hit haha. R E A C T
>hoes mad hoes mad hoes mad

List them because the only attack he has that's even remotely comparable to Judge in whether it sucks or shits on you is Hocus Pocus.

He wants a luma that hits as hard and has as many moves as nana.

>letting him browse the menu
Like Jr did, eh? Gave him all of half a second to browse that menu and wasn't even carelessly approaching.

>What is a read
You could rewrite this shit with Guile and Sonic Boom and it would be just as accurate. He has a very dangerous move. React and guess when he might use it.

That's fighting games.

>None of his attacks outside of the menu are any good,
Yeah, 30+% damage projectile that charges in a second and can be stored or the Pikachu Thunder that has super armor and deals 40% aren't good.

smash bros get in here
discord.gg/EeRZs6j

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The tandem mechanic sound like utter shit on Joker.
Letting Arsene go off while you sit there like a sack of potatoes sounds utterly dysfunctional in a game like Smash.
>b-but Rosalina
can still attack when Luma is disjointed, unlike the Jojo system. Not to mention Luma only gets away with it because its small, whereas Arsene would be throwing out human-sized hotboxes. Even Ice Climbers are severly held back be their shittily small hitboxes, even if disjointed

>He has like seven attacks that either have no worth or harm him,
If you get one, you have 3 other attacks to choose from or you can cancel it in 4 frames with jump or shield.

>He has very dangerous moves, several of which can OHKO you at good range in a split second at 0%
ftfy

There isn't one person who I've fought online who doesn't lose their shit when I use hero, and to be honest I don't blame them. he's fucking stupid and people trying to defend his bullshit are the dumbest motherfuckers on here.
>just don't get hit bro lol
You and I both know that argument is fucking retarded. That being said he is also the most fun character I've ever played and I don't plan on stopping.

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The ideal chad is two parts. Ignoring what women and society say, but also naturally doing things people like anyways and them finding you attractive.

No one finds smash virgins attractive,, and without that part of the equation, you're just obnoxious tumors.

Roy's fully charged neutral B is not a thing in any game.

it literally wouldn't be such a popular phrase if it wasn't actively antagonizing people to get them to freak out. it's like replying to someone's comment with "seething" over and over.

Ahhhh, it's good being a Rosa Main

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>None of his attacks outside of the menu are any good
lmfao
his neutral B is fucking amazing and I stomp regularly with it

Luck is also a skill.

>None of his attacks outside of the menu are any good
You need to stop talking about things you clearly know nothing about

Holy shit. Just stop talking, nigger. We can all tell you haven't played Jojo or P4U, or even any other fightan for that matter. Just sit down and shut up.

based and low IQ pilled

Higher level Smash players have a very rigid idea of what Smash should be and how it should play and anything that challenges that idea is bad and should be removed.

Jesus Christ, I know Yea Forums sucks at video games but this thread is ridiculous

There is legitimately nothing wrong with what you've said.

>He has like seven attacks that either have no worth or harm him
The only 2 moves that can harm you are Hocus Pocus and Kamikazee, the latter of which is still incredibly good since it is almost a 1:1 trade with how massive the hitbox is and how much range it has.

You clearly weren't there when Yea Forums got beaten in Smash by a drugged up literal tranny which was streaming at the time.
Yes, I'm serious.

I actually love Hero but creating a whine thread every day is hilarious because they always reach hundreds of posts.

Yes. And Hero is still busted.

For real though, the way to beat the Hero is easy. If you can read, you can just look at their Down B screen and see what they're gonna do.
The only people who can't deal with Hero are people who can't read fast, aka brainlets.

I have played Jojo moron, and the tandem mechanics there are either
>let stand go off while you stand on screen controlling it
>have stand fight by you, depleting when they get hit, on a meter system
The first one doesn't work in smash with the increased movement range, and the second ALREADY HAPPENS
How about shut the fuck up nigger
I play Devo and Rubber Soul btw, in case you again accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about

*Less than 5%
**5% chance to even show up
***Easily dodged/blocked

this
the amount of people who think Hero is remotely balanced is astonishing, but looking back on times like
things start making sense

Is she good now after the buffs? I wanted to use her but she kinda sucks in Ultimate.

He's not broken.
>Woah holy shit I killed my friend at 0%! I'm ready for fucking EVO!
>Enter tournament
>Face someone who doesn't relies on reads and skill instead of luck
>Keep spamming down B
>Get bad luck and get punished
>Keep trying and eventually get some good luck but whiff and get punished
>Eliminated in first bracket
Also it's a party game. Who gives a shit?

You know what's the worst part? People just say not to let him browse the menu, but if the hero is a quick reader and can react to your moving to stop him he can either just not use anything and jump away or Use a fast Flame slash or just fucking EXPLODE AND NOT BE ABLE TO BE BLOCKED

>just don't get hit
>just DI
>just read
I wonder what 5's broken character's defense will be.

Neutral and Side B are also stupid strong fully-charged. Neutral does like 39 damage and can kill at 60-80

>down B's and instantly picks first option without looking
>you get thwacked

lol. nothing personal bro. just be better next time

>Side B is a much larger, multihit falcon punch that is faster
>N B is as good as any other chargable projectile
>Up B is amazing at gimping
>Has Roy/Chrom’s Dair
>All his smashes can do random damage with no extra drawbacks that other smash attacks have
>Down and Forward smash can gimp the ledge
>Tilts as fast as the FE characters, sometimes faster
Why do people act like Hero sucks without his RNG bullshit?

>Keep spamming down B
>Have an equal chance of using self destruct or magic burst
>Kill yourself like a retard or make yourself completely useless
lol nothin personell kid

>And Hero is still busted.
Just rush him down. Lmao

>people who think Hero is remotely balanced is astonishing
They're just using him as a crutch, so of course they'll defend him. Nobody can look at that webm, and all the other bullshit Hero is capable of, and honestly, in their heart of hearts, think he's balanced unless they have severe mental retardatio- ah shit, that's why.

>skipped the "no worth" part
Good luck doing anything worth a shit with kaclang, metal slash, zoom, hatchet man and kacrackle slash without setup.

I bet if it was Reimu instead of Hero, you wouldn't complain about it.

It's just bullshit that Hero is allowed to make mistakes and still come back from them but if you make even a single mistake against Hero you are toast. A character should not be designed that way.

>I play Devo and Rubber Soul btw
Neither of those two have tandem, you faggot.
>while you stand on screen controlling it
Normal Jojo characters don't just stand there, you retarded Devo player.
>The first one doesn't work in smash
Yes it does, as clearly shown by Zelda. You can just do the exact same thing but with all 4 specials instead of only 1.
>the second ALREADY HAPPENS
No it doesn't. You don't turn it on and off. You don't get new attacks when you it's on. You just get buffed attacks.
Now shut the hell up.

I hope Sakurai adds more RNG inherent to character specials in the future. Hero is the most fun I've had since custom specials in Smash 4, competitive Smash be damned.

I play Ganon, ROB and Lucas. Hero's fine.

>if you make even a single mistake against Hero you are toast
>A character should not be designed that way
every character should be designed that way

imagine taking a children's game like Smash seriously

Then just continue bitching for eternity like some walking, breathing permanent menstrual cramp, because the competitive value of Smash is somehow relevant to you despite the fact that you never play with anyone but randos online once in a while

If you want every character to be designed that way, that's fine, but it's not fair for one character to be designed that way while the rest of them are not.

>Uses hatchetman
>2 frames you
I'm honestly disgusted that it can do that

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>without setup
So a move requiring a setup makes them worthless now? The fuck? Judge also requires a setup yet people in here are drawing direct comparisons to what happened in that webm to hitting a 9.

>Hero is allowed to make mistakes and still come back from them but if you make even a single mistake against Hero you are toast.
Yeah, in 1/50 cases. In all the rest he eats shit.

not even that dude but devo has a tandem, my man

>Has to be inside opponent's asshole to hit.
It should be 4 frames.

Hatchet Man is one of his worst abilities bro.

Aren't we supposed to get a new character announcement today at Evo?

Aight. My bad.

>merely pretending
>anime poster
checks out

Imagine being such an idiot that you can't comprehend skill because you're butthurt about RNG even when it's been proven dozens of times that utilizing probability is more difficult than memorizing movesets
And more importantly, imagine being such a pantshitting virgin that you can't comprehend people don't take the game you Masturbate over seriously and they may just play it for fun and genuinely not care about being "good" at it.

That's unlikely, but might as well keep an eye out.

I'm also merely pretending to be an anime poster. AHAHAHA! DANCE, PUPPETS, DANCE!

Thanks, man

>99% of Smash's roster is from RPG's with random elements, but besides being sword AIDS - was smart enough to keep LITERAL random features from games they're from out of it.
>DQ being Japan's national game or some faggotry, gets preferential treatment. RANDOM chance to enhance a smash attack with a crit. RANDOM spells, with RANDOM selections! One of which, is a RANDOM chance to kill.
You're more playing D&D if you're coherent at the game and playing hero, than Smash Bros.

>Neither of those two have tandem, you faggot.
I know Rubber Soul doesn't have one, but Devo Does you massive retard. I'm just letting you know I play the game. I don't have to play Jotaro or Avdol to tell nigger, its a fundamental part of the game
>Normal Jojo characters don't just stand there, you retarded Devo player.
Y E S T H E Y D O.
For an example. Avdol activates his Tandem, then Magician's Red goes off.
HE CANNOT MOVE DURING THIS
you control Magician's Red, not Avdol, thus he is a sitting duck
This is fine in a traditional 2D fighter where the foes can't just double jump (YES I KNOW ONE EXISTS YOU JUST DON'T LET THE ACTIVE STAND USERS GET IT FOR FREE), nor do they have platforms to maneuver around. Movement is more limited
unless your Petshop, but he's banned
>Yes it does, as clearly shown by Zelda. You can just do the exact same thing but with all 4 specials instead of only 1.
EXCEPT FOR THE FACT THAT ZELDA FUCKING MOVES AFTER THE PHANTOM IS CHARGED BRAINLET, NOT TO MENTION YOU DON'T DIRECTLY COTROL IT
>No it doesn't. You don't turn it on and off. You don't get new attacks when you it's on. You just get buffed attacks.
I knew you can't urn it on and off, but Joker DOES Get new attacks i Eiagon, Gun Special, Wings of Rebellion, and Tetra/Makarakarn
How about you do back to fightcade where you sand your shitter brethren gather thinking they're worth anything

you clearly don't know what a tandem is, you're talking about remote stand usage. Tandem is when you press 214+S and get 80 frames to input attacks for your stand to do after the frames end, and you definitely get to move and attack while your stand is doing that.

If Hero is so good, then why isn't he winning at EVO?

...Because he's not allowed at EVO?

Gambling character where you can get lucky enough to roll an instant kill, then land it if you're good, then roll again to see if it works. Seems to be less than 5% chance at 0%.

Despite all this coming together against a non-retard being extremely unlikely, people are pushing themselves because they get got.

>Reimuposter
As expected

his mere existence reminds smash autists that smash is a casual party game for kids, not a serious competitive game, and they can't cope with that.

>Y E S T H E Y D O.
>For an example. Avdol activates his Tandem, then Magician's Red goes off.
>HE CANNOT MOVE DURING THIS
>you control Magician's Red, not Avdol, thus he is a sitting duck
Play JOTARO.
>down back stand
>press buttons
>star platinum presses buttons while you're free to move around and attack
Different scenario
>use ora ora without stand active
>star platinum rushes forward and punches while you're free to move around and attack
Same thing happens with Jotaro's supers, his big down back punch attack, and the rush attack he does.
This is all the exact same in P4A/U. You can send out your Persona to attack while you reposition yourself.
>Get new attacks i Eiagon, Gun Special, Wings of Rebellion, and Tetra/Makarakarn
They're just upgrades to your other specials you idiot.
Yeah, my bad for thinking Devo doesn't have tandem, but the rest of your post is even worse.

How high should the percentage for thwack to start working be, then?

why do you think party games are bad, and why do you think people hate smash if they refer to its actual genre?

>How about you do back to fightcade where you and your shitter brethren gather thinking they're worth anything
Irony.

Oh shit, you where talking about that
Looks like I made a fool of myself, I forgot the terminology and how its applied
So, will Arsene have a hurtbox during this? Phantom has a shield that protects him, not to mention is crumbles if Zelda takes a single hit.
Phantom is mostly reserved for camping pressure and edgeguarding, so it works well with Zelda's kit. Why would ALL of Joker's specials be this. Phantom working in a vacuum
Thats not even mentioning the fact that;s its nowhere near applicable since the control scheme of Jojo and its lettering and numbering system for controls don't translate well at all to a Smash format.
I stand by my position that its not applicable in a game like Smash, and if you're going to do the Zelda argument, I also apply that Phantom itself is used mostly for trapping and egdeguarding and wouldn't be intuitive for a whole moveset basis.

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As long as the Autism of Smelee and Project M's leftovers remains, Smash will never truly be a casual party game. Also Elite Smash/GSP also further pushes casuals away

If they loved the game so much they'd be playing it instead of posting here.

There's no answer for this because they just want it removed entirely.

"Smaylay"? What word is this supposed to sound like?

They believe Hero completely illegitimizes the entire game, so they don't want Thwack to exist at all.

Nobody has said this.

Except the Hero's 9s don't 9 every time they're used, retard.

Nobody's suggesting fixes.
Come on. What percent?

Nobody likes smash, they just like shitposting over who could be in smash. Smash always sounds so much more fun than it actually is when you play it alone

Alright, 100.

It's supposed to be Smell-lay, I think. Or maybe just Smelly?

Just li

Can't deny that, rosterfagging is like a drug. I don't know what I'm going to do with my life once all the DLC is out.

9 doesn't always kill either soooo

>The problem is that the effects of the RNG can lead to potentially devastating outcomes while the Hero will not be punished if the RNG fails.
Luigi, Peach/Daisy, and Mr. Game & Watch say hello.

>Thwack should have a 0% success rate until 100% while Kazap kills at 65%.
Yeah ok.

This. The DLC's never fun minus Ryu. so it's just the thrill of
>HE/SHE/ZHI/'S IN!

Just because the character is shit, it doesn't mean that his RNG gimmick is ok.
Rework his fucking slot machine playstyle and then fucking buff/nerf him. Shit is so fucking antifun

The fuck does this even mean?

I dunno, the HE'S IN posts are really annoying and only started with Ultimate.

The hell are you talking about? That post didn't say they did.

Whack and Thwack can either do fuck all or OHKO. Villager's Judge will do something good for him 8 times out of 9.

>while the Hero will not be punished if the RNG fails.
>will not be punished if the RNG fails.
>not be punished
is your IQ below freezing?

>Game series literally compares itself in-game to a slot machine.
>wtf is this slot machine shit?!
May as well take him out.

>Villager
It's a G&W move.
>Loses meter.
>Wastes time.

>reflect wack/thwack
psssh nothing personnel kid

Anything that isn’t a 5, 7, 8, or 9 is useless

But The Hero will be punished because down B and the animation of throwing the moves out gives his opponent plenty of time to hurt him.

Peach/Daisy regularly pull out strong options just by playing their normal zoning game. Luigi sometimes gets a extremely fast and strong side b, 1 in 8 times on average. Game and Watch doesn't even have to be talked about because the punishment for 1 is only percentage damage.

Half of Judge is worthless, it's slow, and its range is shit. The only similarity is the RNG aspect. Any other attempt to draw a comparison to it is retarded.

6 is alright.

>MP being scarce when it fills up quickly
>Thinking missing a Thwack or Whack are that easy to punish compared to Green Missile and Judge

Not to mention it's not a OHKO.

Apart from the typical casino in DQ games, the games have as much slot machine gameplay as pokemon, fire emblem, and hell, ANY OTHER FUCKING JRPG

Should Pikachu's attacks have a chance to paralysis your opponents just because that's how it happens in the games? Also, should every fucking pokemon also have the chance to crit?
Fire emblem has even worse RNG problems than DQ. Should FE characters randomly evade attacks or randomly miss attacks that clearly connected?
Also, why the fuck is the command menu RNG as well? I've played every DQ game except for 10 and 11 and in every single one of them, the spell menu never randomly changed inbetween turns.

That shit doesn't belong in a fucking fighting game.

>Moves that work more often are easier to punish.
Wow!

Marth and Roy's tip/handle mechanics were designed to simulate the random crits of FE. Hero's crit mechanic is like a tipper you get 1/10 times.

Good thing Smash isn't a fighting game then, huh? :^)

>That shit doesn't belong in a fucking fighting game.
Go play a real fighting game like Guilty Gear before you cry about RNG.

The hell?

Well, then why the fuck don't they do the same for the Hero? Or remove the mechanic entirely and only keep it for the hatchet man skill since that's how it actually fucking works in the games

Why should they? He's already balanced appropriately. They only activate on his smash attacks, which aren't particularly fast or strong in each individual category.