Imperium of Man vs The First Order, who'd win?

If the comes down to infantry engagements, Astartes would annihilate everything the First Order would throw at them. But when it comes to spaceships and aerial combat, I'd probably have to side with the First Order.

Do they actually blow up planets like the First Order does or do they just kill everything on the surface?

Hyperspeed > Warp travel

Literally any other way of travelling faster than light is better than travelling through the Warp.

First order is a joke, how many soldier and ships are we really talking about?
Star wars actually have some potential big advantage on production/tech, but they can't wage war FOR SHIT
In the IoM you have millions of planets, all full geared for war, everything exist and is done for the war effort.
In star wars you have a massive decentralization of 10000 small alien empires allied in a vague form of empire, some exterminatus erasing a couple and they gonna implode 100%

i dont even who would but like seriously stupid

It depends on the situation but blowing up the planet is within their reach.

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of course Imperium of Man
and i'm not even W40Kfag

Source?

And thats not even counting Schindelgeist IV

>Two-stage torpedoes are a more exotic version of the cyclonic torpedo. Though the warhead is still the same, the delivery system is radically different. Instead of exploding on impact, this device will burrow though a planet's surface with a Melta charge, and detonate at the core. This will destabilize a planet, and will shatter that world in many cases. They are used against worlds that are devoid of atmosphere or biological life, such as Necron Tomb worlds.
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cyclonic_torpedo
They just usually go with incinerating the planet's atmosphere because it's cheaper and gets the job done anyway. Also, you can still get whatever minerals remain within the planet afterwards.

Star Wars weapon technology is really damn garbage outside of ships. Most laser weapons, even those on fighter planes and the larger ground vehicles, are hilariously underpowered. Infantry weapons are on a whole nother level of shit to allow for the existence of melee units. In 40k they give melee units tons of armor and other shit to justify them, in Star Wars they just make blasters fire randomly in every direction so the hero can just charge in wearing nothing but bath robes and slice them down.

First Order's highest ranking commander is a retard that makes Jar Jar Binks look like a military genius. Disney turned star wars into a massive joke, even Thrawn didn't escape the disney curse.

What if you pit a jedi against a Space Marine in 1v1?

>massive decentralization of 10000 small alien empires allied in a vague form of empire
You just described IoM, retard. The planets are so fucking decentralised and disconnected, half of them don’t have even approximately the same idea of what the imperium is. The “war effort” is so unfocused and chaotic that you have planets entirely dedicated to producing horseman that fight with dynamite on long sticks, run around half naked, or retards whip dig trenches and hope they die because they have daddy issues.

>some exterminatus erasing a couple and they gonna implode 100%
That doesn’t even make sense, how is eliminating a couple of “decentralised small alien empires” going to implode “10000 of them allied in a vague form of an empire” ?
Are you retarded? Do you even read what you write?

>being so much of an atheist you forget the Force is a thing

>when it comes to spaceships and aerial combat, I'd probably have to side with the First Order.
40K ships fight at astronomical ranges, have guns that rip up reality for thousands of miles with a single round, and shields that are not circumvented by fighter crafts.
also they are made to ram others if they get close enough, survive it, and then board the shit out of the enemy.

Now the real question is, could blanks shut down force users? Could a force user be overtaken by the warp?

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Sort of related.

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youtube.com/watch?v=h67JpMyrOVE

Most kino video game cutscene to date

Blasters act the same regardless of who is shooting at who though, and for some godawful reasons force users with lightsabers sometimes ending up taking way more accurate fire while they're deflecting shit with their weapons while in every other circumstance blasters seem to fire randomly in a 90 degree cone. The rate of fire is also a huge issue, most seem to fire slower than current tech semi-autos, bigger blasters don't seem to fire more efficiently either they just fire bigger lasers blasts.

The average Jedi is basically a Librarian. Even in the films Vader can just tear apart ship infrastructure and throw them at you with zero effort, if we go full expanded universe, the strongest Jedi would annihilate pretty much anything the 40k IoM can throw at them and probably only be in danger against chaos, eldar or 30k IoM

A standard tactical squad of space marines is more than enough to care about everything on the right pic.
Im not even kidding.

I dont know thats like two different wavelengths of energy trying to interact with each other afaik

>leaving out the Gloriana Class
Nice try

space marines still only have one wound. they'd be gunned down in the first round

No, and no. Souls are not a thing relevant to the force. There are SW version of blanks, but they’re a literal hole in force, and since force isn’t a thing in 40k, it’s fair to say those aren’t either, else you could argue Space Marine Jedi could be a thing.

Beat it the rulebook, just look the lore part. if you want to stay in the rulebook is an >implying shitty lasers cant pass the armor and save throw.

Yeah, but also leaving out the Death Star and the Starkiller base.

If its by lore then whoever wins is just determined by which side the author wanks to

Both of which proved to be completely unfeasible and a horrible investment. Also, 40k has humnogous space stations as well, like the Phalanx

I mean, they send like 10 space marines to stop a waaaagh or a tyranid invasion and those are more weaponized (unironically), nasty and have bigger numbers than the empire.

>try to move some rocks around
>suddenly you are filled with nurglings
That would be neat.

The force is also influenced by emotions, the warp is ultimatively nothing else than raw emotions. It's not too farfetched that a force user would have a connection to the warp

No, if you want an example just look how fucking OP a standard space marine is compared to the threats jedi face.

And lets not forget the new even more powerful primaris space marines

bring the greyknights in as well along with untold billions stacked on billions of imperial guard

Is this the new Flood vs Brethren Moon thread?

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The tech in 40k far exceeds anything in Star Wars and psykers would absolute mindflay jedi

>they send like 10 space marines to stop a waaaagh or a tyranid invasion
lol

Blasters are plasma, not lasers.
They run on gas and are the evolution of plasma cannons.

Why First Order. Why being Lukewarm and not bring up the biggest guns possible like the Imperium of Man vs the Galactic Empire.

Anyway, the answer is clear and it goes to the Imperium in all cases.

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plus since lasguns can kill a space marine and they're only as powerful as a .50 cal, I dont doubt just about any sci-fi weapon could kill a marine

Imperium of Ming The Merciless.

Everything is influence by emotions, but the force doesn’t work on emotion, it works on midichorians. The Jedi way is the literal absence of emotion.

cant you say that about imperium of man ships?

They are nowhere near as powerful as 40k plasma weaponry and are closer to conventional laser weaponry, 40k plasma weapons pretty much disintegrate a normal human.

>lasguns can kill a space marine and they're only as powerful as a .50 cal
Where did you get that from? Even in books that focus on the guard, you have shit like having to shoot a marine directly through his eye lense with a sniper lasrifle to kill him

Imperium, without a doubt.
>Space warfare
Imperial ships are kms long on average, up to 17. Their standard armaments are cannons that can launch slugs weighing several tons at near relativistic speeds. A first order destroyer has oversized flashlights
>Ground operations
I would like to see a battle between a nu-AT-AT and a warhound Titan. It would probably go very badly for the AT-AT.
>force v. psykers
Delta psykers (the second to last level, most IG psykers are at that level) can make a man implode on himself. That is Darth Vader level of force manipulation. The imperium has trillions of Darth Vaders.

nice joke user.
I can imagine how many stormtrooper jober it would take to kill a space marine.
I would even say that it would take like 4 or 5 space marines at most to kill someone like vader.
youtube.com/watch?v=V2B6de1Geks

>who'd win?
Who do you think, brainlet

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No, they can’t go ftl without jumping to an alternate dimension where they cannot interact with the physical world.

o ok

Not every ship carries Exterminatus weapons, only Space Marines and the Inquisition. However, a battleship crashing into your planet is probably an extinction event

High speed (close to the speed of light) ramming is established in WH40k. One of the Horus Heresy books starts with someone launching a ship through a fleet and into Calth

Cadia agrees.

Star Wars is so fucking gay

>send a jedi to the golden throne
>[mind trick]yo emps wants you to pull the plug
>emps finally kicks the bucket
>warp eats all the ships trying to get anywhere this millennium
Nothing personnel

The planet broke before the guard

>Emperor is reborn as an actual god
>Ushers in the golden age of man

>the virgin celestial body V the chad Guardsman

You want to use mind tricks with a guy which psychic presence is used to guide starships on the galaxy? Have fun.

>emperor is reborn
>sees what the imperium retards have been doing
>sides with the better humanity that doesn’t live in the Stone Age and worship corpses like retards
Heh

>trying to mind trick a custode or am Adeptus Mechanicus toaster
ya dun fucked up.

>Adeptus Custodes
>also known as brotherhoood of fucking Demigods
>mind tricks working

Are you honestly retarded enough to think that meant to say the jedi would tell the emperor that the emperor wants him to pull the plug on the emperor?

I mean, the first order was defeated by some desert orphan, a janitor and a faggot.

Doomscyers let the Custodes know robeshit LARP-psyker Jedi is coming. Custodes turn him into flying mince

What if we put both of them inside of the City?

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Star Wars does not have furry wolf homos or degenerate tranny gods though.

Emps was defeated by a desert faggot too

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>Get completely btfo in their first appearance
>Have to be saved through Rian's garbage writing

a beautiful purge would happen

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Who are these guys?

Imperium. I can see Galactic Empire winning due to superior tech and comparable resources but the First Order would drown just from the blood of Imperial dead

someone post the planet of gaurdsmen image

But who is purging who?
The Safeguard from Blame!. They are extremely advanced AI/robots who guard the City. Those two in particular guard the Netsphere.

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everyone everyone

My boy Pebbles would do short work on them even in his current miserable form.

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>the better humanity
>have aliens within their ranks
ruh-roh

I tried to read Blame! half a year ago but I have no idea what was actually going on. The visuals were extremely interesting and I wanted to understand the mystery, but the confusing story slowly drain my energy.

and his tens of thousands of buddies and auxiliaries.

1 (one) star system controlled by the Imperium of Man would wipe the fuck out of First Order

>This argument again
The Galactic Empire, and by extension First Order, are lowkey very xenophobic towards any non-human. All Stormtroopers and individuals in positions of power are Humans.

if you want to know the story of blame you should read prequel and sequel of blame because in blame itself not much happened

Big E was defeated by his own autism

>new order
>aliens