The Codex Astartes leaves no room for doubt. You cannot touch the warp and emerge unscathed

Blanks aren't exactly subtle, they cause everyone around them to become uncomfortable, sick and sometimes violent against them. They cause psykers to go haywire, that's why the Culexus Temple use them for their ranks. There's no fucking way Titus went through hundreds of years as a spez muhrine without anyone noticing, especially the Chapter's librarians. Whether he got help from The Emprah himself or from one of the ruinous powers is something we'll never find out because the world sucks and this game will never get a sequel.

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Does the codex astartes even deal with stuff relating to the warp?

Yes. Space Marine Chaplains, Captains, Chapter Masters, and the Primarchs themselves fall corrupt to chaos exposure. The difference is those who fell to chaos like Gabriel Angelos were truly faithful to their emperor, so their corruption lies in worshipping the Chaos God the Emperor of Mankind. The same could be true for Captain Titus. Their personality doesn't change much after falling to chaos, since they always worshipped him. Those who choose others gods always had a shred of doubt in their mind. Something like "If the emprah's so great, why did we lose an entire sector to orks?" and stuff.

i thought blanks could pass as reasonably normal and pariahs had a more extreme effect?
tho it does seem unlikely a librarian would miss it, especially for someone who would raise to captain.
it was probs just tzeentch being a cunt as usual tho

Basically, "shit's bad yo"

Did this heretic motherfucker just call The Emperor a chaos god?

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ayoo hol up, when did Angelos fall to chaos? It was 3, wasn't it? Is there something that fucking game didn't ruin?

That big skull helmet also amplifies the blank's effect a hundredfold to create that reaction.

Blanks are described as being paraiahs and hated by their communities, although no one really knows what they dislike about them. Some call it a rancid smell, others a shifty look, others still just an overly punchable face.

It's not always eye-popping and ear-rupturing chaos. They can be as unnoticeable and ignored as that one boy no one cared for at your school because he was just a little creepy.

Back to Tidus, however, I agree it just isn't possible he'd slip by unnoticed because Ultramarines have Librarians. If he lacked a presence in the warp, at that proximity to those enhanced psykers, it would be noticed even if he was a weak blank.

>Emprah is anathema to Chaos and Chaos Gods, including the 5th god back when he was mentioned
>this makes Emps a chaos god too teehee
Never post again.

christ turn on some AA user

>Tidus

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>That big skull helmet also amplifies the blank's effect a hundredfold to create that reaction.
Those are Tau, though, with next to zero presence in the warp.

The codex also states he should report it to the Chaplin or Librarian and not some literal who, so Leandros is and always was a bitch

>they made it a point multiple times that the emperor doesn't want anyone praying to him
>fast forward
>everyone's praying to him
>sacrifices made to keep him alive
No shit he's a chaos god. Why are Warhammer fans always brainlets?

The emperor was a pretty chill guy, why'd they corrupt his message so much?

>every god in 40k must be a chaos god
>the warp and warp presence where always chaos
Please stop posting.

He's a Chaos God.

no, because dan abnett was the most knowledgeable writer on the team for the game, and dan abnett is an ignorant dunce.

leandros is not even the worst nonsense.
a techpriest squeamish about triage and amputation, and really most of the fluff in the servo skull audio logs.
the entire communication sequence in the intro.
the behavior of the inquisitors in the game.

Maybe the star child, the corpse emperor is just some half dead dude in a chair.

Thats not how it works you utter shittard. There might an entity called The Emperor in the Warp created from all the praying, but the OG thronebound Emperor is not a fucking Chaos God

>warp being anathema to chaos
>is somehow chaos
Yes, user, and blanks are also psykers.

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Should I buy Deathwing? How much dead is it?

Well he was literally wrong about that so yeah he's a nigger in my book.

Space Wolves for life

The vast majority of the sacrifices are made to keep the astronomicon working, not for emps. And the only reason emps needs sacrifices is because of the constant drain of holding that webway portal shut.

Because humanity had to live with the shit he forgot to point out after his chairing. He constantly hid the truth about the warp from everyone, and when chaos came crashing down and pouring horribleness up their arseholes, people weren't ready, or knew how to explain or combat any of it, so they found refuge in religion.
He was a good friend.

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Star child is just old defunct fluff.

This. The chaos gods see him as the anathema for a reason.

>dan abnett is an ignorant dunce
Then why are his books consistently considered top tier for warhammer literature?

We are not clever men. We also tend to inhale paint and solvents due to our hobby.

He himself is not anathema to the chaos gods, it's the crackpot, fanatical belief IN him that shields people's minds from corruption. And even then it's not enough.

Why would a corpse be a god? The Emperor is forever gone, he will never recover. The Chaos God Emperor however is literally the entire point of 40k.
The Necrons kill so Tyranids can't wipe out the universe.

The Emperor is a perpetual, the only reason why he doesn't recover is because he has to man the astrololicon so ships don't get lost in the warp. This takes up all of his physical and mental energy, and then some.

Leandros actually disobeyed the Codex when he ratted Titus to the Inquisition - when a marine suspects a battle-brother of warp taint, he's supposed to talk to a Chaplain about his concerns.

He's probably a Sigma or Tau on the The Imperial Assignment Scale
>Psionically-dense individuals who are oblivious to warp fluctuations and manifestations of psychic talent.
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Assignment#The_Imperial_Assignment:_Negative_Psionic_Levels

There are likely two different entities of the god-emperor of mankind one being the perpetual who sits on the golden throne and the other the echo of the first's worship in the Warp it's likely that living saints are Daemon Princes of the second being.

Why can't the emperor just manifest physically in someone like daemons do

There is no chaos god emperor. The phrase does not exist anywhere.

>the necrons kill so the tyranids can't wipe out the universe
Pulled straight outta your ass.

Because he's not a fucking daemon. Just a really powerful psyker.

>online is ded

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Maybe just don't be a brainlet. 40k is genuinely extremely straightforward.

>trying to force your head-canon any anyone
>even having a head-canon that wrong in the first place
Alright, I'll give you a single chance. Show me a codex source that supports your head-canon. Literally anything that supports it.

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The Lion needs to wake the fuck up already. All that build up before the tear and nothing.
At least i wanna see them beat the shit out of each other coz of autism. At best I'd like to see civil war in the imperium.

>ib4 gay lord chaos heretic replies

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He does.

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You're literally just making stuff up without providing a single source for what you say.

Go ahead, give me your sources. I'll wait.

Well, there's being oblivious to warp fluctuations, and then there's standing in front of a full blown chaos incursion, the birth of a chaos champion, punching his head off and coming out unscathed.
We can speculate a bunch about the real reason why he wasn't corrupted but I don't think even the writers knew how they were going to explain it at that point.

Yes, the devs said that in the sequel titus would have joined chaos.

Give me an evidence that Emperor is anything like a Chaos God, you mongoloid. Also Necrons kill because they are nihilistic fucks, curb your head-canon.

>Titus is a fucking unwitting agent of the sworn enemies of mankind
>Leandros didn't follow bureaucracy properly
Grrrr fuck Leandros not sucking the player character's dick, how dare he look at the big picture.

>astrololicon
>the light of the astronomican that guides the vessels of humanity across the stars is actually just the sunlight from Sol reflecting off a psychic space loli's forehead

That's bullshit, they said he eventually cleared his name and founded his own chapter.

Because the Inquisition are total dickbags and doing that puts the whole chapter at risk.

not that user but the Emperor has...
Daemon princes
>living saints
and daemons
>legion of the damned

>WHERE'S OUR FIRE SUPPORT?!

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> living saints are Daemon Princes
Assuming that bit has any truth to it, it's actually the opposite. What "daemons" are to the disturbed Warp, "saints" are their polar opposite. A return to its static order.

Stupid sexy Culexus

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No it didn't the Inquisition wouldn't go after a 1st founding chapter due to one individual.

Legion of the damned are not daemons you mega retard. They're mutants.

That just means he has a certain level of power in the warp, not that he is a fucking embodiment of it

>>living saints
Literally only one is described as awakened and guided by the Emperor.

>>legion of the damned
Not manifestations of the warp. They are regular marines lost to the warp but not completely.

>"They are creatures born of the Warp; that much even a child could divine. That they wear the shape of Mankind's vaunted defenders is a matter as immaterial as the warriors themselves. They are daemons, and they must be brought low, just as with all their malefic kind."
-Eldar Autarch Eluinne Starshaper

Titus is a true Ultramarine.

Are Gork and Mork chaos gods? please respond

Religion = concentrated feel energy
Feel energy = god making machie
Religion = empreror
Religion = keeping emperor alive even if skeleton
Religion = might reincarnate skeleton emperor

Check mate atheist.

No, he was a moron.

>Legion of the damned are not daemons you mega retard. They're mutants.
Was this ever officially confirmed or is them being Fire Hawks still just a head-canon?

People keep ignoring that it's not the Emprah himself that is bestowing all this power and weird transformations of faith everywhere. The Chaos Gods work on the principle of embodying primal elements of the human psyche. They single people out and corrupt them from within bit by bit until they're enthralled and under their spell. Obviously once the immaterium breaks through somehow things get more direct. What happens with the fanatical Imperial culters is that their insane, rigid belief in the Imperial truth works to buffer them from the chaos gods digging their claws into their brains and doing their work. It's why they go to such lengths to sow doubt and distrust. Because that's how they get to work. It's in the fucking name: Chaos gods.

If the emperor himself was this directly empowered he'd be able to seal off that web portal and hop straight off that throne centuries ago. But he can't. Because it's not him, but just the belief IN HIM.

Celestine is the only Living Saint described as personally channeling the Emperor's will. She also acknowledges that she is alone. She was also a mortal once, not a manifestation of the warp or a fragment of emps himself.

She is the only fulfillment of Emp's vision for mankind. And she's slowly fading away with it.

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They’re not.

Gee they mutated inside the warp and now resemble warp creatures. Reminder that the emperor did not directly create them at all. They're just a cursed founding chapter that took a bad warp portal. How exactly is that 'Emprah daemon? You're a retard.

> the Inquisition wouldn't go after a 1st founding chapter due to one individual
right...

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> bestowing all this power and weird transformations of faith everywhere
Eldar gods can do the same without being chaos gods, dummy. There are other factors involved that aren't "You're either a chaos god or nothing."

>of the human psyche
One of them is literally the result of only eldar psyche.

>might
Key word there. I agree that he could turn into a Chaos God in the future. However the argument that Big E is Chaos God now is simply false.

Reminder that discussing 40k on Yea Forums is always a hollow prospect because Yea Forums's knowledge of the setting is rooted in outdated 5th edition memes and little more.

They constantly fuck with the space wolves.

>Space Wolves
fucking furries.

Name him but name 1 that they have. All 1st founding chapters have had members go heretic. All of them.

Lets not pretend recent fluff is worth talking about.

t.brainlet
>Others were not so fortunate. The Legion of the Damned, their presence in the mortal world ever inconstant, blinked out like wind-guttered candles, their flames snuffed by the pylons’ power.
>Even Celestine, the manifestation of the Emperor’s will, grew dim. The golden light faded, and with it the hopes of Mankind. Faith – the same faith that had sustained Cadia’s defence in those darkest of hours – began to recede.

That has nothing to do with heresy. There's heretic traitor space wolves roaming around but the chapter still exists. But people always like LE WHACKY SILLY INQUISITION XD EXTERMINATUS EVERYTHING LOL

The inquisition nearly made the Celestial Lions extinct. They're probably dumb enough to try.

The whole Imperium is just Tzeentch's scam and Emperor himself is a blowup doll

Inquisitor Quixos before he was slain by Gregor Eisenhorn claimed that Humanity's omnipresent faith in the Emperor has bestowed upon the Master of Mankind a caste of supernatural agents. Just as the Dark Gods of Chaos have daemonic servants made of the same soul-stuff that sustains them, Quixos theorised that the Legionaries of the Damned were shards of the Emperor's will given form. Furthermore, the Inquisitor's writings posit the idea that these "Engels Mortis" could take a number of forms, just as the daemons of the Ruinous Powers range from the diminutive to the colossal, and that their greater forms have yet to be recorded. It is said that when the deserving and the devout find themselves on the brink of death these spectral warriors will emerge, blazing with the fires of the Emperor's immortal will. However, Quixos maintained, there is plenty of evidence that almost every Legion appearance has happened in an area where the metaphysical barrier between realspace and the Warp is thin.

Magnus did nothing wrong

WHFB is kino
40k is puerile trash

Please explain where the legion were directly created by the emperor's will. They're not marines that had some moment of faith and became super duper saint marines. Daemons are essentially lesser manifestations of and extensions of a CG's will and bidding. Nothing about the LotD even points to them being like that at all. You're just writing your fanfiction. What's next? Female Space Marines?

Retard. Capital R.

He's referring to Space Wolves directly attacking the Inquisition and Grey Knights for wanting to purge the regiments of IG they had just fought alongside. It created a huge friction between SW and =][= that continues to present day.

"Months of Shame" I think the initial event was called.

Maybe with a normal chapter, going against the ultramorons is going against an entire legion of those fuckers. They're a chapter only in name.

Literally why would he not just report it to the company Chaplain or Marneus Calgar as soon as he gets back to the battle barge? You don't call in the fucking Inquisition unless shit's absolutely about to hit the fan.

>Celestial Lions
>1st founding

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>kino
Go choke on a tide pod, you 12 year old waste of sperm.

dude quixos was deranged and mutated and thought he was still helping humanity when eisenhorn killed him. Wouldnt put much stock into what he says

Yep. Which again has nothing to do with the main subject. The main subject is "The inquisition will wipe out the entire chapter because one dude in it turned traitor maybe possibly"

YO
HOW'S THAT MECHANICUS XCOM GAME?
IS IT GOOD?

It's okay but that's about it.

Honestly, I'm mostly happy that of all the original legions to still be legions, Ultramarines and Dark Angels are the ones.

However, Lion REALLY needs to wake up soon. Him, Cypher, and Luther are the only ones still able to resolve the whole Fallen mess.

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>the Celestial Lions
that's not an argument, if the inquisition were to actively go after the Ultramarines, Fists or any of the first founding chapters without mountains and mountains of evidence they would find their authority stripped and they'd be denounced as traitors.

Blanks. They are probably the closest thing to a black hole of the warp, and they are literally 0% soulless, and have absolute immunity to all things warp corruption, and yet, they're far more worse than some being of chaos.
This is very dangerous. If the numbers of Blanks increase further, the era of all psykers will be done for. Nothing is more worse than the literal absence of everything.
Even our screams would not be heard.

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I was using the celestial lions as an example that the inquisition is dumb enough to put politics over the good of mankind. Hell, even after they were receiving support from the Black Templars the inquisition still didn't leave it be and sent a culexus to kill the survivor that was promoted to be the new chapter master.

The Celestial Lions were literally-whos. That's in no way comparable to going after the fucking Ultramarines. The Inquisition already got fucked just by the Space Wolves, how do you think they'd cope against all of Ultramar?

WHFB has:

>better setting
>better characters
>better overarching story
>better tabletop
>better video games

40k has:

>pretentious latin sounding shit
>xgrimxedgexdarkx bullshit that only appeals to neckbeards with room temperature IQ

cope

whats his name again?

All of those points are subjective, I think you've had enough attention for the week.

Oh, right. My bad.

Ultramarines themselves aren't as legionlike as Dark Angels, but they do keep very close ties with their successor chapters. Space wolves are also still pretty much a legion.
Except that you keep ignoring that the inquisition would not pull such a move on a 1st founding chapter. And you keep moving the freaking goalposts. Just shut up already.

Roboutte Gulliman

based

WHFB was always the better franchise

Rowboat Girlyman

Why would they be created by Emperor's Will? If you strongly believe in some shit it will be manifested in warp. Same rules apply to everyone who has warp presence. Chaos Gods are manifestation of bad emotions in warp, legion of the damned, Sanguinor, every act of faith committed by sisters is positive warp stuff made by humans. Fall of Cadia pretty much confirmed it.

The first tyranid war proved that if the Ultramarines chapter master made the call, all of their successors would fall in line behind him.

IIRC, not even the imminent destruction of Baal achieved such a singular response from the Blood Angels.

By the end WHFB was just 'paint 10 billion of your cheapest shittiest units and slam giant powerblocks together because of rank morale bonuses'.

Combine that with the lack of new models for those core units in favour of endless big dumb monster kits and....

Yes but people are claiming there's no evidence that the Legion of the damned are daemons, whereas there is plenty of evidence but it's all circumstantial
The Eldar who are usually the most knowledgeable about these things seem to think they are daemons dressed up as space marines.
I wouldn't say it's 100% but I think that's the intention.

>why would they be created by the Emperor's will
Because according to you they're supposed to be his 'personal' fucking daemons. Which again, makes no sense. They're just warp tainted, mutated marines that help from afar. They aren't magically summoned by rituals to the emperor or even acts of faith to him.

They probably are daemons. Of the Emperor. Just like living saints.

>Chaos Gods are manifestation of bad emotions in warp
>bad emotions
Lorelet spotted. They embody both negative and positive aspects of their respective domain, they are just fucking malicious twats

Enough with pandering your fanfiction. Nobody cares.

How are you so sure of that? The whole thing with the CL was just a long string of "oops accidents happen" shit that was never pinned on the inquisition. Making a squad disappear here and there would be totally doable. You keep talking about how "the inquisition would never attack a 1st founding legion" as though they'd do it through open warfare instead of being a bunch of backstabbing dicks about it.

Stop moving the goalposts. You're a moron.

That's been my argument throughout this thread but people who played Dawn of War and Space marine don't seem to get it.

pretty clear you dropped the game pre age of sigmar. I'm not the biggest AoS fan mostly for lore reasons, but the game is quite different than you describe, and it also hasn't "ended" as you claim. It's a lot more accessible and is generally accepted as alright now by everyone who plays it despite its rocky roll out.

40k is nothing but chapter dick stroking. It's a mess. Neckbeards should be rounded up and put into labor camps.

>Just like living saints.
Literally read . Saints are not manifestations, and only Celestine has any contact with Emp's will. She was also mortal and died on a battlefield, which makes her incapable of being a daemon.

AoS =/= WHFB

i dont give a FUCK about any of this i just want fit big tittied white haired sister of battle gf

The Inquisition would purge all humanity with a big of enough excuse and then themselves.

Big brain think right there

XD FANNY POOPY INQUISITION LOLOL HAHA

How is it moving goalposts? You're hung up on "1st founding" and clinging to it like a baby to their security blanket. I'm pointing out that the inquisition is retarded enough to attack even space marines.

>I don't know the first thing about 40k: The Post

lmao ok bud whatever you say. very cool post, would you like to talk about your favorite space marine chapter now?

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I'm the different guy. I haven't said that Emperor is a Chaos God. Fire Hawks were complete assholes before they became legion of the damned. I think their extreme exceptionalism made them this way as a cruel joke.
I'm pretty sure GW just dropped that shit long ago. The only good chaos part i can think of is Nurgle giving new live to his followers.

But they're not that retarded at all. They would never go after a first founding chapter in all out war. They never have. Never will. You're just basing your assumptions on memes and jokes about insane puritan inquisitors.

Its breddy good, I am about to start a second playthrough with some min maxing autism.

What? I'm saying Age of Sigmar is NOT warhammer fantasy. Are you mentally deficient?

It's literally warhammer fantasy, for better or for worse.

You are a moron if you think any inquisitor who would go after the Ultramarines wouldn't be declared a traitor immediately by basically every other inquisitor for political reasons and fear of repercussions for doing such a stupid thing.
Do you know what first founding means?

Fuck off, the always go insane and heretic at the end, useless draining of resources

>They would never go after a first founding chapter in all out war.
They never went after any space marines in all out war retard. At least, not personally. But being in war helps them get that shit done, like hearing about "ork snipers" killing spacemarines.

unless you're the Emps you're shit out of luck

All these lorelets try to discuss the lore. Read a fucking book before you start saying shit like Emperor is half dead or being in the material only.

>In a lofty, secluded palace far off in the warp, a truly ancient Chi'khami'tzann Tsunoi nodded and blinked in admiration for the Emperor of mankind.

>The Chi'khami'tzann Tsunoi was one of the first ever to be created by the great Lord of Change, and was reckoned by some to be almost as wise and cunning as Tzeentch himself. He it was who had manipulated the young, inexperienced Great Inventor -- and then discarded him. He acknowledged that the Emperor was a god in his own right, worthy to be an ally of Tzeentch himself, so great was his foresight, so subtle his ability to pinpoint cusps which, with the slightest of nudges, could deflect events on to another course. He had even utilised the forces of Chaos, to manoeuvre his actors into position.

>But the game was still afoot, and would be for millennia. The Emperor had manipulated Chaos but the greater daemon, in turn, had manipulated the Emperor. There were manipulations within manipulations, and only he who failed to see them all would lose.

>The Emperor was a great lord, but he was shackled to the husk of his material form, kept alive by mortals who feared to lose their protector. Eventually their efforts would fail. The husk would die, and the Emperor would be released unfettered into the heavenly realms.

>Then the true war would begin. The Emperor would exert himself to cancel out the four Chaos powers and integrate them into a sane and harmonious whole, thereby harmonising the psyche of mankind. But the heavenly masters did not want to be so absorbed. What was sanity compared with the glorious insanity of the separate Chaos Gods, forever at war with one another?

Can new space marines be borned or its basically peak from here and every new death just brings humanity one step closer to death?

Again you keep pointing out the celestial lions example. Celestial lions being a small, politically irrelevant faction with little support. It's like comparing a small independent animation studio being shut down to trying to do the same thing to fucking Disney.

Yes they can be born. A new one is born every ten years from one of the two organs of an old marine.

Some are created all the time.

I suggest you go and read up on how Marines are actually made.

>Do you know what first founding means?
Yes. You hold on to that like it's a big shiny badge that would make the inquisition not kill you even though your death would cover up their retardation. It won't. The chapter that would try to rat them out would "mysteriously" end up dead with everyone doing their best Tim Allen impersonation when pressed on how that happened.

You overestimate the authority of the Inquisition. The Mechanicus has kill drones killing Inquisitors in broad daylight on Terra and no one dare to bat an eye

Marines possess a host of unique organs, including their progenitor glands that essentially carry the genetic 'seed' data that allows them to become what they are and inherit the genes of their primarch. They have two of them.

The job of apothecaries, aside from being medics, is retrieving these glands out on the field. New glands CAN be created but it's a long drawn out process that requires cooperation with the High Lords and so losing lots of progenitor glands at once can deal a serious blow to a chapter's numbers.

Space marines are created in a similar process to spartan II's if you know how that works.

>Any super powerful presence in the warp is a chaos god
Try and call Gork and Mork chaos gods I fucken dare ya

I know the basic gist but I read sometime ago they lost the original adn or something.

How many space marines are in total in the universe?

It really is the worst meme of the 40k fandom that every single inquisitor is an insane, loose cannon puritan that kils anyone for eyeballing them funny and exterminatuses a dozen planets before lunch.

>Can new space marines be born
Always. Every space marine created allows for 2 more to be created.

If they are ever running low on marines do to some awful Happening, they can even mass reproduce geneseed by implanting them in tube-slaves. Each generation of tube-slaves will double their current supply, meaning an easy bounce-back.

They are, as is the shadow in the warp.

space marines are not born, they are created by modifying normal humans

>/tg/ pretending anyone cares about them anymore

Theoretically about a million, probably less than that.
You are thinking of Primarchs, Marines are largely self replenishing provided they don't all get slaughtered without some backup geneseed. And that is what the tithe is for.

Everything you need to know in one (ancient) blurb.

They can't create geneseed from scratch, but reproducing it is simple. Also, there are ~1,000,000 marines in M41 (1000 chapters of 1000 marines each).

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>as is the shadow in the warp.
Took the bait a little too far there.

If you were living in the Imperium as a young lad, and out of nowhere a gigantic astartes appears before you and offers you the chance of joining the ranks of his chapter, would you accept or decline?

They are made surgically made. The process is painful and straining as fuck, but they are able to replenish their numbers.
Each space marine has a pair of geneseed glands, from which geneseed is harvested. This material is used to modify the biological structure of a new recruit. However the requirement for being recruited are high as fuck and new soldiers almost always come from Death Worlds, because if you can survive that, you have non-zore chance to survive the operations. I suggest looking up either wiki or some lore video on Youtube for the details.

The shadow in the warp isn't a single entity, it's just a byword for what the Tyranid's psychic chatter.

They just DDOS the fuck out of anybody nearby.

Dumbest post in the thread. Congratulations.

>Before the Chaos Gods, there were the Eldar Gods. Who were actually Chaos Gods. And they fought another race of gods that are also Chaos Gods. Who in turn made a pair of belligerent Chaos Gods. And then the day came when the Chaos Gods were born, who overthrew the other Chaos Gods and became the Chaos Gods. So is the origin of the Chaos Gods.
-t. you

Why are the Tau screaming there, when they barely have any presence in the Warp and should therefore not be affected by a Culexus?

Decline for a painless death

>One million
Thats peanuts number, I get one is enough to change the tide of a battle, but thats not nearly enough for how fucking big space is

If Fabius Bile were to create another clone Manus, who somehow escapes and returns to his legion, would he be welcomed as their primarch reborn or would they kill him for being a spawn of chaos?

You are suggesting that Leandros put the Ultramarines in jeopardy by going to "The Inquisition" over Titus.
Which simply isn't true as no inquisitor would actively move against such a prestigious chapter due to one individual. They might go after the individual, but never the chapter.

They still have souls. Being with a Culexus is being soul-ripped.

Pariahs are still abhorrent enough to affect them. I guess that gives some insight to how horrible it must be for others.

The whole idea of the Imperium is stretched resources. If you actually created an army comprised entirely out of all the strongest elements the Imperium could bring to bear at once then they'd be undoubtedly the most powerful and technologically advanced faction on the battlefield. But logistics are a bitch.

Welcome to one of the many problems of the settings. There is (roughly) one marine for every imperial world.

On the other hand, chapters usually send 100 marines out at a time, and there probably aren't 10,000 active conflicts at a given time (1% of the Imperium being destroyed every few years?). So that's enough to respond to active threats, and every world has an EDF EDF!EDF!EDF! protecting them until the proper IG or marines can come - assuming they need the help in the first place.

On the one hand, the setting has never cared much about that and in fact uses it as way to show that the Imperium is outnumbered and in danger.
On the other hand, fluff marines are really, really powerful. And the biggest part of the job is meant to be done by throwing bodies at the problem or solving it before it gets to that point.

No, of course not. Just Ultramarines who would keep pushing the subject.

The chaos gods are some of the highest entities that reside in the warp. Gork and Mork and "the Shadow in the warp" reside in the warp. They don't serve anyone ergo they are the same thing as Chaos gods.
The Shadow in the warp is the echo of the Tyranid hive minds in the Warp

>Shadow in the Warp is basically a psychic DDOS
I feel ashamed I didn't think of that. Thanks user, gave me a chuckle

Space marines are basically special forces, they are used for the most dangerous shit.
Imperial guard is who does most of the fighting.

>They don't serve anyone ergo they are the same thing as Chaos gods.
Please never post again.

Are you claiming 8th edition was not what he said?

>if hey live in the warp they're chaos gods
That's stupid. A white family moving to a black neighborhood doesn't make them black.

>The chaos gods are some of the highest entities that reside in the warp.
All pitbulls are dogs. Not all dogs are pitbulls. Why don't you go look up what Chaos Gods are, what chaos is, what daemons are, and what the warp is before saying anything else on the subject?

>they are the same thing as Chaos gods
>being this much of a brainlet

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The shadow of the warp isn't a specific 'thing' that resides in the warp. All tyranids, right down to the smallest ones, are psychic, and so their endless, innumerable back and forth chatter obscures and overwhelms all nearby warp communication, essentially creating a communication deadzone. Like I said before. It's psychic DDOS.

By your logic a single astropath sending a communication is a Chaos God.

Gork and Mork are an echo of the beliefs of the entirety of the Ork population. and reside in the warp as all the echos of realspace do. The Shadow in the Warp is the echo of the Tyranid Hiveminds this is babbies first lore lesson and if you had read more than one codex or more than the Horus Heresy novels you might be aware of this.

vidya when?

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This got derailed some time ago as someone claimed the Emperor is a Chaos God.

Again, a white family living in a black neighborhood does not make them black people. Kaldor Draigo's been stuck in the warp for forever, guess he's a chaos god too.

Really? Please link us the exact document that defines the common link of all these 'echoes' and how that specific term denotes their common traits.

Be less dumb and less smug about being dumb.

the shadow is not a presence in the warp but a distortion of it.

Chaos gods weren't made by "believing" in them. Even if we claim that's how G&M were made, it's not the same process as the chaos gods. Nor is it related to chaos. Thus making those gods not chaos gods.

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>would you accept or decline?
what colour is his armour? does he have any spikey bits?

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I'm not arguing that those entities are chaos gods, I'm arguing they are functionally the same thing as chaos gods.
Chaos gods are basically imminent vital forces turned into "gods" in the way the "oh god of hangovers" is in Terry Prachett's Hogfather.
Whereas the Emperor, Gork and Mork are the product of people believing in them, soul sacrifice.

What do I read first if i want to learn 40k lore

godamn 42 k is not kino at all.It will become your typical sci fi aesthetic with gundams if it continues this path.

Nope, pretty sure one of the dumbass statements that lead us all here was

I'd tell those Spikey Chaos worshiping fucks to piss off. No way a real Astartes of the Imperium would offer a 30 year old overweight guy like me to be a Space Marine.

magnus did nothing wrong

Even the Inquisitor himself was dubious of that just outta his scout company dipshit.

that user specifically said you'd be a young boy.

Just go to 1d4chan, it's a good first step to reading lore.
It's broken down into fairly entertaining whilst still being informative chunks.

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can you fuck that slit in her head?

Top tier WH literature is still garbage literature.

>Whereas the Emperor, Gork and Mork are the product of people believing in them, soul sacrifice.
>the Emperor
>the product of people believing in them, soul sacrifice.
What the fuck are you babbling about? The Emperor existed loooooong before he unified Terra and it wasn't because anyone "believed" in him. And neither do the Chaos Gods. They are just the manifestation of various abstract ideas made flesh (figuratively) in the Warp through subconscious thought.

youtu.be/SG7VvMGw6w0?t=669

>forehead
mirrors are flat user

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I missed that bit. I still don't think I, at any point in my life" had what it takes to be an Astartes.

>0% soulless
So 100% soul?

I dont know about 40k, but in WH Fantasy all gods are Chaos gods, which is literally the whole reason ArGAYon went mad and destroyed reality

yes, especially after you put a bolt through it.
but it would be difficult, especially while running from the inquisitors who are trying to kill you for being a heretic and a race-traitor

How fast do orks multiply?

actual cringe

and a chaos god whose domain is order would be in any way different? chaos isnt lolsorandom its literally just a manifestation of belief.

hey man, you're the one that wants to fuck a smurf

*is literally anti-chaos by simply existing*

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Space marines are a relatively rare force on a battlefield, they only bother showing up for strategically important fights.
The imperium operates on a tiered defense, each world is expected to raise their own army, the so called PDF, which varies in quality even more than the guard. Generally their level of training is inferior to the guard and they're a mess to deal with against certain enemies (like genestealers who will inevitably infiltrate PDF armies) but they have a lot more in place logistics and vehicles and depending on the planet might outnumber a guard regiment by orders of magnitude.
When shits going real bad and there's an actual threat the Imperial Guard is called in and the PDF is frankly there to just hold the line until they hopefully get there in time, warp travel being what it is it's entirely possible for the guard to show up 300 years after the distress signal was sent and find a barren rock.
Space marines mostly come into play on specific campaigns they have joined or when they notice a strategically important world is being threatened, or they happen to live in the region of where shits going down.

That's not entirely true. WH Fantasy is just pretty standard Fantasy so all the Gods were just Gods. They aren't the same thing as the "Gods" in 40k.

no because the tau cut your dick off for the greater good.

There are quite clearly two God Emperor's of mankind.
The one you refer to being a perpetual who sits on the golden throne, and the other a powerful warp entity that gives out the blessings and shit that the Adeptus Ministorum gives out to people and sends the Legion of the damned to save his worshipers.
>They are just the manifestation of various abstract ideas made flesh (figuratively) in the Warp through subconscious thought.
I know what do you think a imminent vital force is?

I think Titus should submit to the tests of the inquisitor. Everything he did was for the emperor and anything that did or did not happen to him during his mission was outside of his control. If he is found loyal and clean then so be it. Let him serve his chapter under light supervision. If he is found heretical then he'd probably accept his fate because he did nothing wrong and doesn't want to be the one thing he's supposed to destroy.

When does mechanicus show up?

>its literally just a manifestation of belief
No, it's not. No one believed in Slaanesh when she ripped apart the largest empire in the fucking galaxy. It just happened because of the constant murder-fucking stirring up a particular scream of emotion that eventually coalesced. Nothing to do with belief. Everything to do with unconscious sensations.

>I think Titus should submit to the tests of the inquisitor.
>Let him serve his chapter under light supervision
these conflict.

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8th edition was a mistake, it's nothing but trash
30k for life (or atleast for a while before it gets as shit as 40k)

Never. They just go hunting for technology and bring all the guns in the chance something might want to stop them from taking the shiny tech. Or something else comes to take their tech from them, so they bring out guns.

They aren't a responsive military force like IG or SM.

Did we get any more info on the Tau god?

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its not the thing in and of itself you nonce, you can believe and indulge in murderfucking without a god of murderfucking

I admit that I don't know a lot about the inquisitors but Titus wouldn't be tested literally forever would he? If they find absolutely nothing wrong with him, then that's a mystery for those researching the effects of the warp to solve and there's no reason to keep him locked up anymore. But just in case someone should report on any anomalies in his further service. Doesn't that make sense?

When they're doing something for themselves that they don't want all the other branches of the imperium to know about, otherwise they tend show up WITH the other forces, any imperial world is going to have techpriests just hanging about to handle the tech, the imperial guard is going to have a whole bunch of enginseers attached to them to maintain their equipment and vehicles, space marines have their techmarines who are marines that got sent to mars and trained in the ways of the machine god (and painted their armour mars red) and are basically techpriest marines.
When the mechanicus operates on it's own it's because it wants to get it's hands on some tasty tech without everyone else knowing about it, they have their own army of cyborg guardsmen for these occasions called the Skitarii.

>it's entirely possible for the guard to show up 300 years after the distress signal was sent
Entirely possible but also incredibly rare. Consistent and safe travel is the entire point of the Astronomican - albeit to varying degrees of success.

they worship the big imperial cock

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delays are more likely due to the skullfuckingly inefficient administratum

it aint just the warp they're dealing with, it's the fucking administratum.
the world might be dead by the time the paper pushers get around and sending the orders out.

People believe in food but that doesn't make a chaos god of your corpulent ass. Stop trying to stretch your nonsense so far when you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't reply to me. I don't care what you have to say.

you can't say 'oh we'll keep an eye on him in case any spooky shit manifests' and trust this to the inquisition.

as a number have already said, it'd be investigated internally within the chapter first, and they'd be very uncooperative with the inquisition for that time.

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I don't disagree, but the sentence starts with
>warp travel being what it is

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It was so good that it got axed and replaced by fucking AoS of all things. And AoS was a fucking hit in the miniature market.

>slaanesh
but yes it would need to reach a threshold after all slaanesh gestated for millenia in the warp before achieving apotheosis

also if he's taken away by the inquisition for a wee chat, that deprives the ultras of a very experienced captain - something they'd really not want.

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>two God Emperor's of mankind
Wrong. His body is on the Throne and his soul, which is tethered to his body is the thing that floats around the universe randomly giving out blessings and whatnot while also guiding Humanity through the warp.

You might have had a point if you said "there's the actual Emperor that's on the Throne, created the Imperium etc.", and then there's the "IDEA" of the God Emperor that that the Ecclesiarchy worships.

But The Emperor is just the Emperor and had all his powers hundreds of thousands of years before he ever reveled himself and started uniting humanity.

The Inquisition has an interesting relationship with the space marines, because space marines technically don't answer to anyone but big E himself.
meanwhile inquisitors wield technically infinite authority to tell people what to do, as you can imagine this leads to some friction, the space wolves in particular got real pissy after the first war for armageddon and they had a small war with the inquisition that ended with the space wolves chapter master teleporting onto a inquisitors bridge and introducing him to lightning claws.

I too solely play AAA titles as sales figures are the only mark of quality

can someone explain to me how a human body fits in that armour? his head is about where it'd be in relation to the shoulder of the armour if said armour was as thin as a sweater.
But it's super thick metal, so his shoulder would be lower - meaning his neck is like half a foot longer beneath where it pokes out of the collar of his suit.
also, how wide is his torso? in order for his arms to go out either sleeve, wouldn't it have to be super wide?

shit's all fucked up

space marines are genetically engineered meat hulks

space marines are not exactly the same shape as regular humans.
Genetically modified supersoldiers basically, part of this includes making them absolute units.

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its not armor its power armor basically a human assisted robot

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30k is boring though. Much less factions.

Are terminators even bigger then since tactical dreadnought armour is bigger next to space marine armour?

>those slender tau arms
>that tiny legoman head

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>all this chatter about chaos gods and echoes and nonsense
They can't be all that great. Tau already nabbed one of them.

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with super long giraffe necks though?
look at OP - his neck would need to be super long due to where his head is, given the thickness of the plate armour he has on

Cawl is churning out primaris marines like India is churning out shit to the streets.

its a pretty marine

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Terminators are still regular space marines, they're just in MASSIVE suits of tactical dreadnaught armour, that shit has to actually be constructed around them by an entire team of techpriests just to put it on.
one of the implants space marines get is plugs to connect them to power armour suits and be able to move them as if it were their own body, this is helpful for terminator armor because it's huge and slow, not sure regular humans can even wear that shit, there are normal power armour suits for humans, you tend to see inquisitors and rogue traders wearing them, though they're a bit more clunky compared to space marines because they don't have the space marine implants.

scale is a tad fucky in 40k art for sure, bolter bullets for example are often portrayed as being way too fat to have more than like 4 of them in a magazine.

Eldar codexs over the years have suggested that with the deaths and fading of the various Eldar gods, a vacuum was created in the immaterium. The activity and the general behavior of the Eldar in the period immediately prior to the birth of Slaanesh was an imminent vital force that eventually erupted in the heart of the Eldar Empire.
>You might have had a point if you said "there's the actual Emperor that's on the Throne, created the Imperium etc.", and then there's the "IDEA" of the God Emperor that that the Ecclesiarchy worships.
That's my point user the IDEA is a supreme warp entity, a god of order that resides in the Empyrean.

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If he were a blank, any psyker that you come into contact during the game would be screaming in agony as soon as you get close to him.

>trusting space fairy codexes
they dont even punch things to death

Reminder this is one guy's work over the span of a few months and GW can't figure out how to do anything remotely decent 40k related.

youtube.com/watch?v=V2B6de1Geks

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>killed slaanesh
user, that story is a nice read but you are grossly misunderstanding what the commander killed at the end.

nah Eldar have melee units, it's the tau who refuse to engage in glorious hand to hand combat for fear of breaking a nail.

Dude, I know. It's called sarcasm.

>Drew the dick
Keep going the extra mile user

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yeah with swords, theres nothing more manly than an imperial fisting

As fast as the plot demands.

>they don't punch things to death
Doesn't one of the phoenix lords dualwield chainfists?

poor gene seed process atrophying his benis

there is, and it's called an imperial double handed chainsword.

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Scorpions are pretty manly.

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so theres one space fairy who says no homo

It's the belief that creates them all, if nobody believes in chaos they seize to exist, same for emperor

Dan abnet saved the guardians of the galaxy for Marvel and all his Warhammer stuff are top

the emperor is a perpetual, that's different. he's not a warp entity.

actually it's not, there's no rule saying sisters of battle can't have relationships, they just yanno, don't really have the time between being angry at heresy and leveling their flamers at heresy.

Nope. The chaos gods exist out of time itself. Emps is literally a guy. He's a psyker. And a perpetual.

Stop inserting your fanfiction.

>manifested from the warp bending will of every human psyker to protect mankind from being skullfucked
>ok sure hes a massive chaos entity who bends it to his will and creates daemons(living saints) but hes not a chaos god
lol k

He didn't 'manifest', he's a reincarnation of a bunch of psykers who mass suicided after predicting a grim future. He's a super duper psyker.

You're just a fanfic writer.

he never did its just a nigger spamming is fan theory

so youre saying they merged their souls in the warp to create a super duper daemon creating psyker but hes totally not a chaos god despite being identical and fulfilling the exact emotion that willed him into creation?

Gee wiz guys, did you need the new Tau lore?

The Greater Good is a chaos god!

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>despite being identical
He's not identical at all. You're just pulling this from your ass. Nobody cares about your fanfic. Go away.

yeah thats how fucked it is, now imagine what its like around humans and eldar

how does he differ then what can they do that he cannot? no need to get so butthurt about your delusions fren

user, I am going to stop you right there. The Emperor existed for 30 thousand years before he revealed himself to humanity, until that moment , no one knew that he even existed. ergo, no one "believed in him", and that didn't cause him any problems whatsoever. You theory is bollocks. He is not a chaos god.

>willed him into creation
Weird how the last Choas god to be born punched a huge whole in reality yet this new "Chaos god" didn't when he formed, almost like he's something different maybe.

If Living Saints are greater daemons then why don't they have the daemon rule?

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chaos gods arent affected by belief in them but in the principle they embody. for example how could you worship slaanesh before slaanesh existed?

also who are you quoting?
when you have to build strawmen its a good sign you know youre wrong.

I stand erected

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I really just want to see Lion's reaction to current state of things.

>already looked at people with contempt and disgust considering how easy they fall to Chaos
I think he'd just sigh and disappear.

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Interesting to see how he gets along/doesn't get along with Guilliman. Did they ever cross paths?

why was slaanesh created and why was emps created? shockingly boundless desire and greed consumes everything while selflessness devotion and anti-warp powers do not.

Liar, he would be exiled in 2, then come back and make his own chapter in 3, don't make shit up you ass

He's not a blank, he is a negative psionic level. wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Assignment

Probably Upsilion/Phi/Chi/Psi. Problem is he wasn't oblivious to psychic talents.

Wow you're literally just making shit up haha. Out of here fanfic fag.

There are two entities called the God Emperor of mankind.
One a perpetual that was created by the shamans in 10,000 BCE in Anatolia who would go on to lead humanity in the 30th millennium get mortally wounded by his son and interred in the golden throne.
And another that is a supreme entity that resides in the immaterium, one that is the product of the worship of the first. One from whom all blessings the Ecclesiarchy gives out come from. The one who raised Celestine from the dead as his avenging avatar.
The Idea of "the God Emperor of Mankind" is now a god of order that resides in the Empyrean.

what part was made up? everything in that statement is uncontroversial. shamans oogaboogad themselves to oblivion to protect humanity, eldar murderfucked slaanesh into existence

Slaanesh gestated for thousand of years due the continuous orgy known as the late Eldar civilization. Which range of emotions/aspect of life was fuelling the Emperor in the first 30K years of his existence?

>what part was made up?
Because you're literally trying to use subjective takes on themes as objective evidence. Fuck off out of here you sperg.

its either or at this point, they could be chaos daemons or fire hawk, my headcannon is that there just regular marines chosen by the emperor to do purge one last time, though there is nothing to support that it just seems rad as fuck

>WHFB has:
>>better setting
le_trashman.webp

Some inquisitors have terminator armor.

Because it's supposed to be ambiguous as to if they are or not.
Also the claim is that they are daemon princes, not greater daemons.

devotion, self sacrifice, desire to protect, any of those could be his element as thats what brought him into existence
him being a chaos god is subjective
chaos gods having different domains and effects is objective. you sperged about point two.

WHFB has nothing by virtue of being fucking canned, my dude.

He was right to be as concerned as he was
He was wrong to involve the inquisition instead of handling it in chapter.

Daemon princes have the 'daemon' rule too. Living Saints don't. Ergo, they're not daemons.

>devotion, self sacrifice, desire to protect, any of those could be his element
Anything that isn't blind speculation and is backed by at least one official source?

checkmate heretics

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY SEQUEL
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY DARK ELDAR ACTION GAME BY PLATINUM GAMES
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY TAU FIRST PERSON SHOOTER

his creation story? whether or not he is a chaos god, thats what brought him into existence.

Why would they leave the marine exposed in the middle like that lmao, no glass or paneling ?

>it's supposed to be ambiguous as to if they are or not.
Did you read this? if they give them Daemon as a rule it stops being ambiguous.

>WHERE THE FUCK IS MY TAU FIRST PERSON SHOOTER
it's called fire warrior and was released before dawn of war was.

youtube.com/watch?v=7jvJ7icKMtc lel it looks like fan art.

>avoiding the question
thus, the fanfic autist is getting desperate.

He barely met any Primarchs in general. Supposedly Lion was one of the few Girlyman looked up to, in political sense at least.

i answered the question, explicitly. why did the shamans sacrifice themselves in your fanfic since the official books are wrong.

>there will never ever be the Deathwatch and Successor chapters for Titus

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based

>WHERE THE FUCK IS MY TAU FIRST PERSON SHOOTER
here u go
thanks i could help, bro!

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>fire warrior is the story of one motherfucker who soloes even a Lord of Change

Like how many Markerlights did that nigga have on it

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>‘Let?’ Guilliman looked down at the Lion’s grip on his wrist and back up to the primarch, an eyebrow raised. The Lion did not release his arm. ‘I was protecting the beacon at Sotha. What Imperium would we have if we allow the ruinstorm to bring back the division of the Old Night? Where was the Lord Protector? In theory you are the guardian, but in practical terms you were of no use.’
>‘Insult me again, brother, and theoretically I will punch you in your practical face,’ snapped the Lion, raising a fist.

This is all part of GWs evil plan to get me to buy models and play Kill Team so I can have Titus leading a motley crew of my favourite chapter colour schemes across the galaxy in JOLLY ADVENTURES.

The emperor fought close to the frontlines during the crusades, didn't he? Makes you wonder why no one didn't "simply" detonate a continent, or the planet, they were currently working on subduing. It's not like he'd survive destruction of that scale.

You are taking one emotion the shamans may have had (desire to protect humanity, etc.) and leaping to the conclusion that this is what fuels the emperor as a warp entity. If that's not grasping at straws, I don't know what is. Why those emotions in particular? What if the shamans were all horny when they performed the sacrifice? Would the Emperor have been the god of hedonism, then? I asked you to provide a source stating that those emotions existing are what made the emperor stronger continuously over the course of 50K years. You have nothing, of course, because since the beggining, all you have is baseless speculations.

if hes anything like other perpetuals or warp entities hed be fine, need to defeat him with warp fuckery like horus with chaos undivided

Basically the redo of the Knight Errants from Garro era. Less toxically heretical? Maybe. Don't forget the Deathwatch sprue!

He'll just pass his invulnerable save.

Horus virus-bombed his own dudes and despite annihilation of the atmosphere with firestorms the remnants held out and forced him to come down there himself. Normal Marines are weirdly tough, so the emprah could job in person to his prime dickhead kid

>a 40k on Yea Forums is more productive and on topic than 40kg has been for a long while

Fucking tg

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Surely nothing is strong enough to actually dismantle the emperor at a soul level?

>productive
>mostly just one fucking stupid argument

The golden trhone is, through the course of millenia, slowly eating away at the Emperor's sould and body.

i dont mean this to be mean, im just curious. are you capable of separating your feelings from your thoughts?

all i am saying is he is at least a fuckhuge psychic entity who gestated in the warp created by psychic powers imbued with strong emotion. this is objective and uncontroversial.

the leap to he may be a chaos god is not unreasonable but it is subjective. you are so autistic you cant even accept the objective premise because its said by someone whose conclusions you disagree with.

>Why those emotions in particular? What if the shamans were all horny when they performed the sacrifice? Would the Emperor have been the god of hedonism, then?
yes, after all its a microcosm of how slaanesh was formed after all, just more concentrated as it was conscious

>I asked you to provide a source stating that those emotions existing are what made the emperor stronger continuously over the course of 50K years
you may have meant to say that but i can only read what you type, not your mind
that was an answer to a hypothetical question posed by someone else about how emotion could have fueled him in that time.

> dorn shows up again

What will his first words be?

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Isn't the soul feeding of other psykers kind of negating that? Do you mean if they finally pull the plug and he is reborn he'd reincarnate much weaker than before otherwise?

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I thought that the psykers that get sacrificed are there to fuel the astronomicon, not big E, but I might be wrong. Either way, one thing is sure, the longer you wait with the reincarnation (provided it works that way), the worse it's going to get for everybody.

The soul feeding is only necessary because of the drain of keeping that webway portal shut.

Also a lot of people forget that most of the sacrifices are for literally powering the astronomicon itself, not emps.

i mean horus damaged emps so much that his magic powers couldnt heal him, so probably. i mean it WAS the four other chaos gods at the same time

No. Leandros was horribly wrong. Not only that but he also broke standard procedures.

Idiot. Celestial Lions are not a 1st Founding Chapter. They were founded in the 38th Millennium. The 1st Founding occurred 8 millennia ago and the ones that were founded back then were the Ultras, BAngles, Space Wolves, DAngles, Imperial Fists, Raven Guard, Salamanders, Iron Hands and White Scars. These along with the Space Marine Legions who would turn traitor during the Horus Heresy.

The Inquisition would never, ever go and try to mess with a 1st or 2nd Founding Chapter since if they did so, then the marines in question, their successors and even all other friendly Astartes forces would go on a hunter-killer spree mercilessly hunting down any and all Inquisitors. The situation with the Space Wolves should serve as a reminder why even the Administratum doesn't want to mess with the Space Corgis.

And now after the assassination of Ekene Dubaku the Inquisition proved to be a bunch of assholes in need of having a new one torn asunder. Especially that they not only pissed off the Celestial Lions, but also the Black Templars.

I agree.

why doesn't the MC guy wear a helmet

At least it looks better than the Dreadknight.

weaponized baby carriers are 9d yahtzee

probably because there's too many grogs on /tg/ that are horrified by the absolute state of the thing but who can't pull themselves off of the teat
more computer gamers here with less financial investment in the game

To add to this guy's comment, the closest the high lords get to 'messing' with a first founding chapter is not using DA stock for subsequent foundings very often because they don't like them. It's about the most passive aggressive, roundabout and indirect means of showing antagonism.

>40kg
on tg its more like 400kg

Correction. Wanted to say 8 millennia before their founding. Said that from the perspective of the CL's founding.

Yeah. But then again they had reasons to limit the founding of DA successors. Now that Robbie's in charge, will the DA get much more successors because of this?

Sounds like the solution would be to evacuate terra, pull the plug and hope empy is alright enough to deal with the aftermath of the webway.

The current path is just a slow drawn out erosion of the empire of man. If they are going to have a shot at anything, even if it means losing a lot of shit due to a gigantic catastrophe on terra, they need the emperor. He did something similar before to unite humanity, he can do it again.

>are you capable of separating your feelings from your thoughts?
I mean, are you? the entirety of my post was just putting objective arguments forward, you are the one who gets mad and responds with a poorly formatted emotional post.
>the leap to he may be a chaos god is not unreasonable but it is subjective
Oh, ok, so it's a fantasy, then? Because subjective or not, you should at least be able to provide some reflexion as to why it makes sense. If you are going to argue and say that your fantasy makes sense, then it doesn't matter that it's subjective.
>you may have meant to say that but i can only read what you type, not your mind
That is precisely what I asked you five posts ago. Quit your fucking bitching. You admitted yourself that it's fanfic, and when asked to back it up with lore, you were unable to produce a convincing argument.

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Reminder that the Lion was one of the last Primarchs found but came second in overall military conquests behind Horus himself (Guilliman is just credited with overall systems brought into the Imperium, the discrepancy is assumed to be systems who were swayed by diplomacy)

its toggleable

>pull the plug
It would open a rift to the warp in the middle of the Solar Segmentum, around the most populated zone in the imperium, so it's not that simple.
I heard an interesting take somewhere, that it was the Emp's plan all along to bring the tyranids to Terra (remember, they are being drawn by the astronomicon). The shroud in the warp that they produce as they consume the planet would prevent the formation of an eye of terror on Terra and, while the planet would be destroyed, we'd avoid the worst of the side effects, while waiting for the emperor to be reborn.

Why don't they just make a new emperor? I'm not talking about letting the emperor die and reincarnate, but making a separate one. If the original guy was made from a few hundred/thousand shaman psykers merging during prehistoric times it shouldn't be that hard hard to scrounge up an equal amount of psykers in the 41st millenium, or even more to create a gigaemperor.

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>the shroud they produce
Would it really stop it? The Nids aren't 'anti warp', they just overwhelm and confuse local warp communication. Seems like the bang would still happen.

Because nobody besides us readers actually knows how the emps was made.

How did the original psykers figure it out then?

Even if that bit of fluff was still canon fuck the HH series, it hasn't been possible since M30 when Slaanesh fucked the warp to completion.

Leave Titus alone!

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You're probably right now that I think about it, I mean, Khornates did open a rift on Baal prime while it was being invaded by nids after all. Again, it was a theory, but worst case scenario, you would still have a entire tendril fighting off hordes of demons and keeping them at bay. still a win in my book.

enjoy giving the Warp a huge present

Because of two reasons
>The Gods weren't as powerful then, a few hundred shamans could generate enough will to resist those weaker Gods
>Assuming that origin is in fact correct, no one in universe knows about it, except for maybe the Emperor

>had a shared vision of a completely fucked and doomed future
>decided to combine their souls and powers to combat it
>mass suicide, safely combined together in the peaceful warp, reborn
Step 1 and 2 happens all the time. Step 3 is a bit of a struggle these days

So even if they tried nowadays the chaos gods would just cockblock them and then have a big chaosbowl to figure out who gets to call dibs on all those psyker souls?

your arguments to this point have been autistic screeching, saying no that canonically provable fact is fan fiction, and arguing about a comment made to someone else while ignoring the comment directed at you.

the FACT is shamans oogaboogad themselves to protect humanity
the FACT is he then gestated in the warp for a year before being born
the FACT is that he makes undying psionic entities functionally similar to daemons.
the FACT is that he can manipulate the structure of the warp

so either hes a chaos god or a magical snowflake being with formation and powers almost identical to a chaos god
occams razor QED

>That is precisely what I asked you five posts ago
my bad i assumed that was someone else and that you werent retarded. why would you expect the answer to a hypothetical question that assumes emps is a god, something we both agree is supposition to be based in fact? if we assume that emps is a god its a logical explanation, but of course there wont be any canonical proof because him being a chaos god is supposition.

Pretty much, yes.

All "gods" in the Warhammer universe are warp based entities from Asuryan to Mork, any god that can actually do something (with the exception of the C'tan) is a warp entity.
As the God Emperor of Mankind raised Saint Celestine from the dead, made her immortal and functionally the same as a daemon prince, The god Emperor of mankind is a supreme warp entity just like the chaos gods are.
The warp reflection version of the god emperor of mankind is not the same thing as the perpetual sitting on the golden throne, but a product of the worship and deeds done in his name.

no

Warp was a different place back then. If old lore is to be believed, Khorne didn't even exist until the 11th century (that was retconned, though). Those shamans were probably able to prance around the Empyrrean for a while, figure out the inner workings, and were able to focus their energies during the sacrifice. Nowadays, it's so crowded with murder that you wouldn't get away with it.

Basically. The eldar almost managed to pull it off with Ynead but the Imperium fucked it up at the last second. Celestine is, as far as I know, the only strong soul since Slaanesh to die, enter the warp, and be reborn. And she only achieved this with the Emperor's aid.

>he is a chaos god because muh Occam's razor
>why would you expect the answer to a hypothetical question that assumes emps is a god
I would like to talk to only one of your split personalities at a time, if possible.

how is that inquisitor game that plays like Diablo?

Robust guillotine

Martyr? pretty fun, kinda janky though.

Those extra powers came when the Emperor visited the chaos gods through the portal on Molech, way later during the timeline. As to the worship itself, that is an undeniable fact that it made him grow beyond the figure of perpetual that he was at his inception. The thing I am arguing against is that he was "born" as a warp entity.

I'll tell you when it's not $100 + $23 expansion. It didn't even drop to a reasonable price in the summer sale.

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The seems really late, I assumed Khorne would several thousand years older than that, being born from when prehistoric humans started to murder each other and stuff. Is he older than Nurgle?

Anyone playing the 40K Inquisitor ARPG?
If so, thoughts? I've recently bought it and I'm actually enjoying it a lot. Playing as crusader with rocket jump pack and thunder hammer is top tier satisfying.

Why do these off topic shitpost threads get so many votes? there is a board for this stuff. Use it.

Which Horus heresy novel describes the events around the portal on Molech? I gave up on that series after Mechanicum.

>and functionally the same as a daemon prince
The only difference is, unlike a daemon prince, every time she manifests, she lose a little bit more of her soul to actual daemons. Unlike Chaos which only grows.

>THE DREAMER KNOWS WHAT IS ASKED OF HER. SHE KNOWS THE PRICE SHE WILL PAY. EACH TIME SHE JOURNEYS FROM THE WORLD THAT IS NO WORLD, SHE DOES SO DIMINISHED, A PIECE OF HER LOST FOREVER IN THE CACKLING VOID, A FEAST FOR THE DAMNED. ONE DAY SHE WILL SALLY FORTH, AND SHE WILL NOT RETURN.

Also interesting is that she isn't meant to be some unique champion. She is the only actualization of the Emperor's plan for humanity. And like both him and his dream, she is slowly wasting away.

>THE DREAMER KNOWS THERE IS NO OTHER. SHE IS ALONE; THE FIRST AND LAST OF A GRAND DESIGN NEVER REALISED. THE FADING FRAGMENT OF A DREAM THAT WILL NEVER BE.

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The wiki says 11th century inception is still canon, and that he is the oldest chaos god, but that site is really outdated at times. I don't know much more, sadly.

Vengeful Spirit, although not much is known as to what happens while the Emperor is inside the portal.

>no titus x mira ending
Sad

Daily reminder that Gork & Mork could literally just go on a tour around the warp annihiliating all other warp entities but they wont because there wouldn't be anyone fun to fight

>votes
You know where you should go back to?

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It looks like good fun, but that price tag though.

>The only difference is, unlike a daemon prince, every time she manifests, she lose a little bit more of her soul to actual daemons.
This happens to Angron, Magnus, Fulgrim etc unless they changed it. Every time they manifest in realspace a little of who they are gets eroded.
In older fluff Macarius was a living saint too, not sure if he still is

is there anything worse than orcfags who just claim their favorite faction are all-powerful and can literally do anything

but if they didn't claim to be all-powerful, they wouldn't be all powerful.

I thought the emperor was religion and worship, why would he create a living 'saint'?

That begs another thought. Rather than daemon prince, isn't her proper equivalent a daemon primarch? A living soldier blessed with the most powerful gift of a god, rather than a fragment of the god made manifest.

*against* missed that.

he doesn't create shit, the Imperium just propagandas heroes as living saints

Celestine is more or less the only vassal in the entire Imperium that actually does his will. As a result, he got his 2nd most useful son back (and #1 most useful at handling the Imperium in its current state), plus achieved a solid alliance with his combined-soul eldar-Emprah-buddy Ynnead's vassal (Yvraine), plus got the next generation of space marine at exactly the time humanity needed them most even without being the one to design them.

Sometimes its just nice having a single competent subordinate out of the trillions of humans.

Celestine is the only exception. She's a real living saint, chosen by emps's golden will.

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what was the name of that warp entity with the golden mask that spawned after Malcador sat on the golden throne?

naw that's still just propaganda, we don't know what resurrected her

Wait who would be the #1 most useful son?

probably the one who stuck a knife in his back after a giggling birdman showed him a vision of the imperium 10,000 years in the future.

There's no such thing as a daemon primarch. Primarchs who get possessed just become daemon princes.

This is true that's why this is my theory.

I was under the impression that daemon primarch's are daemon princes.
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Daemon_Prince
>The most infamous of the Daemon Princes come from the traitor Primarchs that turned against the Emperor during the Horus Heresy.These powerful beings are still revered by the very Legions they corrupted millennia ago, even though it is uncommon for them to personally lead them forth from their Daemon Worlds. Instead they prefer to fight against their enemies within the Eye of Terror, leaving the direction of their Legions to their loyal minions and Champions. Arguably greater in power than any other Daemon Prince or Greater Daemon, they are feared and respected by all who worship chaos and are looked upon as personal champions by their gods.

I just realized the vision of an oppressive Imperium worshipping the Emprah became true because Horus got mad about it
It's like pottery

>worshipping the Chaos God the Emperor of Mankind
Has there ever been a more heretical statement in the history of mankind?

You literally get her perspective on page 1 of Gathering Storm, m8.

>THE DREAMER RECALLS A TIME WHEN SHE WAS AT THE MERCY OF EMOTION, OF MORTAL FRAILTY. A TIME BEFORE THE DREAM, BEFORE HER TRUE PURPOSE WAS REVEALED; BEFORE SHE WAS CHOSEN, AND SHE WAS STILL A VESSEL OF FLESH AND BLOOD. SHE PITIES THE SELF-THAT-WAS FOR ITS WEAKNESS, ITS INFIRMITY. AND YET…

>GOLDEN LIGHT PIERCES THE MISTS. IMAGES SPILL ACROSS THE DREAMER’S THOUGHTS. THE DEAD. THE DYING. A WORLD DROWNED IN BLOOD AND FIRE, AND THE GALAXY TORN ASUNDER AMIDST DARK LAUGHTER. THERE ARE NO WORDS. NONE ARE NEEDED. THE DREAMER KNOWS WHAT IS ASKED OF HER. SHE KNOWS THE PRICE SHE WILL PAY.

>A PART OF HER – THAT LAST REMNANT OF MORTALITY – WISHES THE BURDEN WOULD PASS TO ANOTHER. THAT THE PEACE SHE EARNED LONG AGO MIGHT AT LAST BE HERS. BUT IF SHE DOES NOT SHOULDER THIS RESPONSIBILITY, THEN WHO WILL? THE DREAMER KNOWS THERE IS NO OTHER. SHE IS ALONE; THE FIRST AND LAST OF A GRAND DESIGN NEVER REALISED. THE FADING FRAGMENT OF A DREAM THAT WILL NEVER BE. SHE KNOWS BETTER THAN ANY THAT THE ONLY FAILURE WORSE THAN DEFEAT IS NOT TO FIGHT AT ALL.

Those are just snippets, but they tell you 1, she died ("peace she earned long ago") 2, she was chosen by the golden light (alright, it could be Tzeench instead. I won't claim otherwise) 3, she recognizes her current existence was part of the golden light's grand plan for humanity, yet she is the first and last one able to fulfill it.

We are heavily made to think the light is emps. I'll say the and treat the light as emps. It could be something else though.

What was the Necron rewrite everyone got so mad about? Sorry, I'm not well-versed in this lore
Something about them being created by the ancient evils?

What 40k books do you guys recommend? I really like the universe and the games just seem to scratch the itch.

Tzeench has wet dreams about pulling that sort of shit, by freaking out and trying to prevent the bad future horus caused the bad future.

le Greek Tragedy face

Gaunt's ghosts

Used to be that Necron were enslaved machine dudes working for star-eating immortals who were trying to kill literally everyone everywhere all at once because they didn't like anything that was alive.

Now they don't exist.

>Second game would have been about escaping inquisition and becoming a renegade
>Third game about founding your own chapter
it would have been pretty shit, to be honest

Ah, cheers. I thought GUO were daemon princes for some reason and that messed with my whole perspective.

>Daemon Princes are former mortal Champions of Chaos who have been elevated to daemonhood by the Gods of Chaos. They have bartered their humanity for unearthly power and immortality.

So yes, she'd be one of those.

Caiphas Cain books are good for a less grimdark view of things

>shined too bright for this grim-dark future

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I never understood why they thought it was a good idea to name the primarch of the most mary sue legion that they would write all the books about robot guiltyman
so silly

Emperor needs to die and be reborn as a God of Order.

Emperor then needs to work with the Elves so they can give birth to their new Elf God as well.

Then Emperor should personally invade Nurgle's realm, kill Nurgle, and take the Elf Bitch as his wife

Their names have gone through a lot of iterations over the decades. Don't think about it too hard.

>Lionel Jonson
>Leman Rus, the great Imperial Guard general who founded his own space marine army

>degenerate used up roastie whore
>wife
lol

>take the Elf Bitch as his wife
Like father like son

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Ignore this mook Originally the Necrons were a weak race of cancer ridden assholes who worshipped weird star parasites as gods. They built the gods robot bodies, and were then themselves tricked into turning into soulless machines. The star parasites (C'tan) eat 'life energy', and thus the Crons used to just be all mindless slaves for them.

But in 5e GW had the good idea to actually make codex necrons... codex necrons and not codex: c'tan bitches. So the lore was updated so that the crons had finally thrown off the yoke of the C'tan, and are a bunch of cantankerous old robo grandpas mad about kids showing up on their lawns uninvited. The vast majority of people prefer the updated crons. Oldcrons were always lame and the C'tan were shitty.

>the god of order
This reads as pure cringe. The last time the notion of 'gods of order' existed it was the C'tan, who were being dressed up like the materium equivalent of chaos gods back during the EoT campaign. But GW ditched that concept because it's dumb.

I thought the Necrons wanted to wipe out all (sentient) life in the galaxy to choke out the chaos gods?

>wanna read how Gullyman got resurrected
> warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Roboute_Guilliman#Resurrection_of_a_Primarch
just look at all those fucking words holy shit
most autismal fanbase in the world

>and thus the Crons used to just be all mindless slaves for them.
that is, until the Silent King came along and they enslaved the C'tan in return.

I thought they wanted to wipe out all life simply because they hated living things.

No, every primarch touched the chaos.

>But in 5e GW had the good idea to actually make codex necrons... codex necrons and not codex: c'tan bitches.
By this logic, when will they get the good idea to have codex tau instead of codex: ethereal bitches, or codex csm instead of codex: chaos bitches?

You're logic, combined with that tone, is just blowing my mind.

Those feelings have been condensed into the Destroyer faction of necrons.

Humanity needs those elf genes.

how do space marine chapters keep their numbers? I thought they only have a limited amount of geneseed and sometimes they can't recover it from a fallen marine

They actually do. Leandros almost started war between Grey knights, Black Templars and Ultramar.

Ultramarines have a live Primarch. Others doing mutating like Blood Angels or cloning gene seed.

> Leandros almost started war between Grey knights, Black Templars and Ultramar.
where did you get this from?

C'tan were a bad addition to the fluff. And unlike Ethereals they rendered their own faction moot. The updated Crons were absolutely superior. They put the focus where it mattered: on the C'tan.

They related to inquisition, right?

Meant to say on the necrons at the end there, fuck.

I played Spehss Mahreen a few years ago but never finished it cause I fucking suck at it
>horde of Orks coming at me
>fire at them while backing up
>takes like 10 shots to kill a single one
>horde reaches me
>get the fuck beaten out of me in melee faster than I can heal from executing
What do

Without the C'tan, there would be no Necrons.
Frankly, they should have found a good middle ground, instead of scrapping nearly the entire old Necron lore.

*zog*
Green iz best

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>Guardians of the Galaxy: Rocket Raccoon and Groot - Steal the Galaxy!
absolute kino, didn't think Dan had it in him to write fucking comedy

Did nothing wrong

B;lack Templars aren't, they are a 2nd founding chapter founded after the Horus Heresy by first captain Sigismund of the Imperial Fists, they've been close to being investigated in the past due to being suspiciously to big, but they were to prestigious a chapter to get investigated.
Grey Knights co-operate with Ordo Malleus a lot but are independent.
But is your only source the game or what?

Technically it isn't scrapped. The old crons were just weaker tomb worlds that awoke early and were able to be dominated by particularly influential C'tan shards.

I don't disagree that nucrons are better. Your reasoning is incredibly dumb though. Ethereals don't render tau moot. Chaos gods don't render chaos space marines moot. The Emperor doesn't render humanity moot. C'tan never rendered necrons moot.

In fact, the changes to C'tan are the worst part of nucron fluff. Goddamn pokeballs. They would have been infinitely better off as aloof masters that may or may not exist, may or may not be responsible for cryptek technomancy, but are definitely the given reason for why they are fucking all your shit. The more left vague, the better. Do C'tan live in the other-dimensional reality Deathmarks travel through? Are they still alive? Is there more to this galaxy than just real-space and the warp? Could they have come from another galaxy? Vague. a few crumbs for people to throw autistic fits over. The kind of juice that made 40k good so long ago.

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Be a man and charge with your chainsword. Guns are for pussies.

Also they don't factor into the argument because the investigations on the templars have nothing to do with suspicion of heresy, rather suspicion of falsifying their numbers.

t. played on normal difficulty

The problem with the C'tan is that the C'tan were the only 'characters' in the 3ecron fluff. Every other cron was basically a mindless drone. It was extremely dull and boring. Robo space tomb kings is way better.

I personally greatly enjoyed popping heads with my bolt pistol, I greatly resented being forced to switch to the shitty plasma pistol.

Corvus Corax has been in the Warp for some time. He now has actual metal wings to fly around with instead of a jumppack. He's still 100% Imperial and has awesome Warp powers without being a slave to Chaos. Get rekt, heretics.

Inquisition can have them on their side also they have their own imperial guard (astra militarum) regiment.
Also Inquisition can blow up planets for less heresy.

Like I said, nucrons are great. The way C'tan were handled in the new fluff is definitely not great.

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You definitely replied to the wrong post there, chief.

where do space marines keep all the giant exploding ammo for their bolters?

...

That person isn't talking about the inquisition, user.

Their thighs have magnetic strips they stick their mags to.

Thanks captain Obvious.

yeah but when they defend against a world-conquering horde of orks they'll need tons of ammo

Not macragge they can't, nor any fist founding chapter homeworld. They'd need a shit ton of evidence at all levels of the chapter to even think about making a move against the chapter as a whole.
Not one guy.
You are buying into a meme

Contrary to popular belief, "backpack"s do hold supplies. They even change their backpacks to suit the weapon their carrying.

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No problem captain Oblivious.

so given the backpack and cip size, he has about 300 shots
those'll be gone in 20 seconds

Titus was a sleeper agent for the Alpha Legion

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Why

Bolters are more like automatic grenade launchers, not machine guns.

Correct. They actually used to give fluff on the numbers in ye olde 40k 1E: RT days. They specified how they only carried enough grenades and ammo for a single battle, etc.

It doesn't really fit the "isolated and fighting 24/7 nonstop for 2 weeks" stories they started telling later, but an effort was made once upon a time.

Ah, I found one of the blurbs. It was really hidden away in there and I couldn't begin to remember where they were mentioned.

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no he was not. titus was just so pure the warp did not effect him.

yeah except they still fire as fast as machine guns and the average enemy still take a dozen shots to kill

why

>they still fire as fast as machine guns
Source?

youtu.be/C3RhfXdgMeE?t=675

>yeah except they still fire as fast as machine guns and the average enemy still take a dozen shots to kill

Mate, they have different firing modes (single shot and fuck you unloading the clip). Also the average enemy ie ork boy, tau, cultist, all take one shot

those are storm bolters

>videogame
So? They shoot much much slower in Fire Warrior. Your argument is moot.

from the ammunatorium or artillerisium you dumbass

To give a more definitive answer to the question, the game itself has always put regular bolters in the category of "sub-machine guns or similar." The actual "machine gun" version of bolters is the heavy bolter.

By design, they're supposed to be the future superman's version of an assault rifle.

As for how fast "a withering hail of bullets" and "high rate of fire" "spraying shots" actually is, we'll probably never know.

Wait, just kidding, we do know. They released the munitorum audio files for people to listen to. I have those audio files. The "Boltgun - Burst.mpg" fires three rounds in under a second. I'll try to find a copy on youtube.

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the point isn't the exact rounds per minute, it's that the ammo supply would not even last three minutes

Found it:

(at 0:58)
youtu.be/AOpmjgocID8?t=57s

And it's 4-round burst, not 3.

That's how it works in present day military too. That's the reason we added selective fire to guns.

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Its a dunebuggynaught?

except the figure posted is clearly using a belt-fed machine gun which normally is for suppressive fire

every chapter has its dark little secrets.

Do the New Necrons even want to wipe out all life anymore? What is their reasons for fighting?
Becoming Tomb Kings in space is great in all, but they don't really have a goal anymore with their old enemies of the War in Heaven being dead, or fading into oblivion.

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Oh, that model is carrying a heavy bolter, not a bolter. As opposed to 's claim, Hbolters are basically machine guns.

This is what non-superhumans look like firing that same weapon.

I imagine would last about as long as its present-day counterparts.

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Bolters for regular humans without power armour look much the same as the astartes one really, except with a stock added.

Ork descriptions are the best

Fucking hivemind