It appears as though there is some confusion amongst the populace in regard to the lore of Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. Allow me to clear this up for you...
1. DoomSlayer and Doomguy are two(2) entirely different people. Doom 2016 is a reboot of Doom 1, not a continuation from Doom 64. Doom Eternal will be a reboot of Doom 2: Hell on Earth.
2. DoomSlayer is not human. He is a humanoid with distinct human features, but he is a native of Argent D'Nur. He was once their king and the leader of the Night Sentinels.
3. After losing his son in combat, the anguished DoomSlayer made a pact with a demon priest to resurrect him and in turn transformed his son's soul into the Icon of Sin and causing Argent D'Nur to be subjugated by Hell. DoomSlayer is The Betrayer.
4. DoomSlayer spent untold millenia in Hell fighting the demons as revenge, before he was trapped in his tomb.
5. Some lesser minded individuals have come to the conclusion that DoomSlayer is actually Doomguy, who was left in Hell in Doom 64 and eventually discovered by the Night Sentinels during the First Age. This is obviously incorrect, as the inhabitants of the dimension he returns to (our dimension) are completely oblivious in regards to the existence of Hell (with the exception of certain high-ranking UAC personnel) . Such an idea is preposterous as the entire earth was destroyed and humanity was nearly wiped to extinction in Doom 2.
Note: Headcanons regarding "alternative dimensions" which resemble the original dimension in every conceivable way sans the demonic invasion are retarded and belong solely within the minds of the aforementioned lesser-minded folk.
>2. DoomSlayer is not human. He is a humanoid with distinct human features, but he is a native of Argent D'Nur. He was once their king and the leader of the Night Sentinels. His armour was made by humans who spoke English, and has a serial number indicating mass production.
Jeremiah James
WRONG!!!! The Praetor suit was created by a demon; The Wretch.
Carson Lewis
What the demons believe and what actually happened are two very different things. His suit was made by a company called I/O Logistics. Their name is literally on the suit itself.
The demons claim the suit was made in Hell. Except it was clearly made by a human tech company and displays English messages when its helmet boots up.
The demons are not exactly the definition of reliable narrators.
Angel Stewart
low-IQ
Logan Howard
But will the game come with the classic weapon pose in the center of the screen?
Jordan King
Doomguy is the same guy as Doomslayer. You faggots are worse than the ones who kept screaming that Chris Redfield wasnt in RE7 and that it was totally some irrelevant character whose never made an canon appearance
Brayden Reed
Not an argument. Try again.
Thomas Parker
The reboot got that option soo why not
Jack Bailey
Seriously what is up with that kind of people?why they are soo in denial that the characters that they love soo much might have changes?even more soo to franchises that are decades old
>DoomSlayer and Doomguy are two(2) entirely different people. Doom 2016 is a reboot of Doom 1, not a continuation from Doom 64. Doom Eternal will be a reboot of Doom 2: Hell on Earth. Ok pal, let's slow down there. 1) 2016 is a soft reboot, not a hard reboot. There's a difference. 2) 2016 takes place after 64 where in the ending we see doomguy (THE doomguy from 1/2) stay in hell fighting demons forever, therefore the demons eventually capture him and 2016 starts. 3) Eternal is a continuation of the *soft* reboot
Jeremiah Rivera
if you ever try to embarrass me in my own fucking thread again there will be consequences
cringe
WRONG. Doom 64 has nothing to do with Argent D'Nur.
Elijah Morgan
The Blood Keep that the Doom Slayer was trapped in is a location in Doom 64. The level design of Kadingir Sanctum in Doom 2016 is clearly modeled after Watch Your Step from 64.
Jacob Smith
It's not uncommon for a reboot to reuse older locations from the series. The fact that Argent D'Nur never made contact with Doomguy in Doom 64 automatically disassembles the theory that the games are connected.
Christopher Wood
You do know that doomguy spent a shitton of time killing demons until he was contacted by Argent D'Nur?
Caleb Lewis
How the fuck does that explain Earth burning in 2, and Doomguy fighting demons for eons if he is the doomslayer?
Ayden Anderson
what difference does it make how long he was there. he was never contacted by them in the game
Isaiah Lewis
So you want the doomslayer to be a literal who? >Doomguy >Goes throught Doom1, 2 and 64 >Kills thousands of demons >kills cyberdemon so hard that he remembers the Doomguy in another timeline >slays the icon of sin >turns the spider mastermind into a blob of meat >Kills the Titan >scares hell shitless >causes the demon souls so much harm they respawn on earth as people to be safe from him >dies and resurrects because he is angry >spends multiple dimensions fighting demons >one of them is so fucking marvelled by him that he takes the armor and makes it hungry for demon flesh and blood >becomes so fucking unstoppable that demons forget about trying to kill him, they just want him closed up >finds a race of warriors who fight demons like him >gets a dank ass laser sword >finally gets locked up >wakes up >everyone is dead >kills demons while naked >Doom 2016 >Doom 2019 Isn't that based?
>in the game There was a lot of time between 64 and 2016.
Ryder Jones
Do you have any proof beyond your headcanon? No? Thought so.
Blake White
That sounds too mary sue for my liking. the only people who would enjoy that are the people who think "rip and tear!!!!" is unironically badass. Besides, it doesn't matter what I want him to be, the lore states that they are not the same individuals.
So what do you think happened? Doomguy stated in hell for eons, then became the king of D'Nur, then some guy who totally isn't Doomguy betrayed them and then he went back to hell for even more eons before being incarcerated? You have to keep in mind that they will need to explain this narrative in a way the is coherent and doesn't assume that the player has played Doom 64 or the previous games. What you're proposing will be a total clusterfuck of storytelling, especially in a game that cares more about gameplay.
Colton Smith
Go play Doom 2016 and read all of the data logs in the code.
James Morgan
>the lore states that they are not the same individuals. Proof? It doesn't, as far as I know. There is nothing in lore beyond "he was fighting demons and shit". >too mary sue But he is a mary sue in 2016 and eternal. >then became the king of D'Nur, then some guy who totally isn't Doomguy betrayed them and then he went back to hell for even more eons before being incarcerated? No, that didn't happen. He was fighting hell, joined Argent D'Nur for some time, then some retard betrayed them. After all, we don't know too much except for them having some connection. > You have to keep in mind that they will need to explain this narrative in a way the is coherent and So, they need to make narrative coherent, even though it was not coherent in doom 2016 with all the references to the original series? Yeah, right. >doesn't assume that the player has played Doom 64 or the previous games. Why? This is especially irrelevant in 2019, when people have the Internet to read all the shit, and doom1-64 are available for free and don't have much story whatsoever. >What you're proposing will be a total clusterfuck of storytelling, especially in a game that cares more about gameplay. So, let us be clear: >game about gameplay >story will be a total clusterfuck >they have to make it coherent >in the literal Gameplay: The Videogame Why aren't you even trying? Also it will be great when they reveal that Doom Slayer is the same dude from Doom 1/2/64. Absolutely fucking based that they decided to make them the same person.
Jeremiah Roberts
I did already, there is no proof, only food for theories. No facts at all, except for >he was fighting demons in hell for aenos and somehow connected with Argent D'Nur. If you have something more viable, would you be so kind to provide it? You know, proof? >inb4 no proof
Adrian Morgan
More proof to support my theory than yours.
No DoomSlayer is a native of Argent D'Nur and he is The Betrayer, this is obvious in the logs.
Thomas Lopez
>No DoomSlayer is a native of Argent D'Nur and he is The Betrayer, this is obvious in the logs. No it isn't. >More proof to support my theory than yours. Naaah there isn't.
Cooper Long
Just saying "you're wrong" is not going to change my mind. As far as I'm concerned, I am right and you are wrong.
Brody Roberts
>as you are concerned Who cares? You are objectively wrong. I am not even trying to change your mind.
Elijah Allen
You say that, but I am convinced that I am the correct one here.
Jacob Lewis
>Doomguy is not human he's a fairy faggot like me
nice anime garbage fan fiction you fat retard tranny. ID is garbage and nothing they do matters anymore, nu-Doom doesn't count and never will.
Easton Johnson
>you are convinced But the objective reality is not.
Joshua Thompson
I think that's already been confirmed.
Caleb Stewart
The objective reality says yes, because the in-game lore is on my side.
Doomguy comprehends the demon language as English. Chances are the English engravings on his suit are demonic runes which appear as English through the Slayer's eyes (so the player can understand them as well).
Thomas Barnes
>that headcanon But he doesn't comprehend demon writings, as you could see if you played the game. There were a lot of demon writings in the gameworld. >inb4 he did not think they were important so he didn't translate them
Translating them would ruin the atmosphere. It's more cool looking to have demonic runes everywhere instead of English. Gameplay is more valuable than lore.
It should be noted that Doom 2016 he is not addressed as "Doomguy". He is, however, called the "Doom Marine at certain points. If anything, DoomSlayer is the Doom Marine from Doom 3, but not Doom 1, 2 or 64.
Lucas Cruz
We literally see this from the Demon Slayer's perspective, untranslated
As I said, demonic runes are more important to the atmosphere of the game.
Kevin Powell
Guess we'll just have to wait and see when Eternal launches.
Jacob Ramirez
>demonic runes which appear as English through the Slayer's eyes (so the player can understand them as well). >demonic runes are more important to the atmosphere of the game.
so which is it
James Sanders
It depends on the context. It's irrelevant in this context, though.
Jack Thompson
>Allow me to clear this up for you... source ?
Asher Wood
>It should be noted that Doom 2016 he is not addressed as "Doomguy" In the original games he was not addressed as Doomguy too. But he was called Doom Marine at certain points in the original series. John Romero called him Doom Marine too, and later revealed him to be Blazkowicz III. Also, in Quake Champions Doom Slayer and Doom Marine are the same person. Doomguy is the unofficial name of the character. >If anything, DoomSlayer is the Doom Marine from Doom 3 Objectively wrong. Doom 3 is a spin where the main character is in no way affiliated with the Blazkowicz lineage. >some of them he can't read >some of them he can read >based on random Right. What about trying to make the story and lore coherent, as you mentioned before?
So lore details are not important enough to be translated, random decoration on the suit are. You're retarded.
Mason Barnes
No it isn't. Cite the exact sentence.
John Lopez
I don't care if he is the original doom guy or not. What is important is the fact that we don't see any females from Argent D'Nur. All we see are male sentinels. If the doom slayer had a son, it means that he had sex with other people from the dimension, which means he had sex with men, which means that the Doom Slayer is canonically gay. It is good.
