Let's settle it once and for all

>anyone actualy ranking Daggerfall high
Ok, we get it, you're a hardcore oldfag ebin gamer. That doesn't change the fact that the game is fucking shit. The quests are repetitive and the world is empty. In 2 hours you have seen everything the game has to offer.

>modded Skyrim
>the best

Nah man. Skyrim has some great gameplay overhaul mods like Ordinator, but no mod can fix Skyrim's fucking abysmal writing, guild quests, and quest design.

Vanilla: Morrowind > Oblivion > Skyrim
Modded: Skyrim > Morrowind > Oblivion
fuck arena and daggerfall

Zoom zoom

yeah but there's a huge amount of actual quality quest mods out now

I guess its personal taste after all

My theory is that the first elder scrolls game you play will always stay your favourite

The only people who think modded Skyrim is better than modded Morrowind are sex modfags.

Nice projecting. I played Daggerfall in the early 00's and I hated it then.

People on Yea Forums pretend to like things for gamer cred and it's painfully obvious.

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this

That's why you mod it and avoid the guild questlines like the plague

It's oblivion, easily.
Honestly if oblivion didn't have the shitty faces, I dont even think there would be an argument, I think sometimes people are embarrassed to say oblivion is the best just because of that

None of them.

Morrowind has this as well. Morrowind also has Tamriel Rebuilt, what's done right now may as well be another full fledged Bethesda game and it's getting a big update this month.

Oblivion.

It’s because of the level scaling and weak lore.

>just mod it and ignore the vast majority of the game

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Skybaby here
Morrowind is sick
Daggerfall is even better

Yeah it's the faces. Not the shit lore, shit world, and absolutely broken level scaling.

Nah, everyone says Morrowind because nobody is allowed to have different opinions.

>shitty "kill draugr" questlines are the vast majority of the game after getting 10+ quest mods

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Too bad their not something that come with the game, which is a pile of shit both in terms of graphics and gameplay.

Why literally noone tried to make an Elder Scrolls clone? It'd be nice to have a fantasy-sim wich isn't shit but you play it anyway because there isn't any other thing.

I own three copies of oblivion
Oblivion 360
Oblivion special edition 360
GOTY Oblivion 360

Daggerfall > Morrowind = Oblivion = Skyrim > Arena

It's literally quantifiable and cannot be disputed

Do you feel proud of yourself?

What is it do you think Daggerfall does better than the other games? This should be interesting.

Hardmode; don't use Google.

Morrowind > Skyrim > Oblivion

No one cares if you like Oblivion over Morrowind, just don't get mad when people point out it's flaws. And no I'm not implying Morrowind is in any way not flawed.

The story in Oblivion sucks and the world is fucking boring. I loved walking through Morrowind seeing the weird ass terrain. Oblivion is the most generic fantasy world ever. Also fuck oblivion gates.

>Morrowind
>Flawed
Good joke.

Is ESO worth playing now?

Tick tock boomers. Soon it will be cool to have Skyrim as your favorite, as it rightfully should be.

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If you can get passed the horrendous art direction and MMO shit sure.

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All of the games are flawed to some extent. But Morrowind is peak of this series.

>LOL look at these alien terrains soooo random lol!!! So unique lol!!! XD
Literally every morrowind fag ever.

yea...he mad

Why the fuck would you put one spinoff game on there, but not the other ones? Fuck you.

Cope.

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they're not random

Morrowind>oblivion>daggerfall>skyrim>arena>online

Any other answers are wrong.

Nah I bought them in that order, the first one at launch and loaned it to a HS friend who gave it back 6 years after I gave it to him, I bought the special edition at a gamestop because he wouldn't return my copy to me, then I bought the goty to play the dlc and sold disc 1 to the friend and he returned my original copy

>I can't appreciate a setting with unique fauna and flora, as well as a blend of unique and cultural architecture
>I am very silly

Shirposting... Shitposting never changes.

What are these old posts from?

>all these sheep ranking Daggerfall high but can't explain why it's better than the other games
Never change Yea Forums.

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Morrowind > Skyrim = Online > Oblivion
Daggerfall and Arena are to outdated.

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I thought people couldn't post online until like 2005

I like elder scrolls and am looking for an mmo to play, they really havent improved their art direction for the new stuff? Thats a bummer..

How is that shitposting? Literally everything they said is true and you cannot refute this.

Morrowind > Oblivion=Skyrim > Daggerfall > Arena=ESO

Because it's its own thing and we'll never see anything close to it. Maybe for the better, considering how Todd's ES get dumbed down with each game.

>choosing between Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim
>not just waiting so you can play Morrowind with Cyrodiil and Skyrim in the game for free

Those on the top are rpgs
Those in the bottom are action adventures with rpg elements.

>roleplaying potential
daggerfall>morrowind>arena>oblivion>skyrim
>gameplay
morrowind>skyrim>daggerfall>oblivion>arena
>graphics
skyrim>morrowind>daggerfall>arena>oblivion

>all this Skyrim-children who never played Online, Daggerfall, Arena and even Morrowind.

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Daggerfall has no roleplay potential. It's literally a dungeon crawler. Christ, at least play the games you post about.

Morrowind>powergap>Oblivion>Skyrim
mods will never fix a bad game
fuck off moive game fag
the problem is quest markers, dungeons, level scaling and Oblivion Gates

Why dont you get cancer like him and go die

>can't explain himself
>hur just kill urself
Good one my man. Everybody on this board must really think of you as a cool oldfag epic gamer because you love Daggerfall! I bet you love Quake 3 too! So old, wise and cool!

morrowind = oblivion = skyrim = eso

Why yes Daggerfall is my favorite TES game. I love barren wastelands of nothing with repetitive dungeon crawling quests over and over. I love copy and apsted NPC's that repeat the same dialog. My favorite part though is finding the wall containing the teleporter at the end of a dungeon. Oh boy is that fun and immersive.

Daggerfall > Oblivion > Skyrim > Morrowind > Everything else

>Morrowind and Oblivion fags can both elaborate on what the like about each game
>Daggerfall fags cannot
>we're not just saying we love Daggerfall for gamer cred though no sir!!!

bait please leave

all of those "games" are garbage, just like all wrpgs. there, it's settled.

perfect

see

hahaha that's the most bullshit cop out reasoning ever. It's funny how the actual oldfags on /vr/ agree Daggerfall is shit but for some reason the zoomers on Yea Forums have to claim to love it for some kind of gamer cred.

Shivering Isles (Oblivion's expansion)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Morrowind>>>>>>Oblivion>>>Skyrim

Haven't played Arena nor Daggerfall

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>thinks every post is from the same person

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Well, DF is an unfinished turd but it's a turd like no other. I play it because there isn't literally nothing like DF.

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I'm sorry, did you mean to say Morrowind?

>Food analogies

22 years onward and you retards still cant accept that daggerfall is shit

>deep-dish pizza is best
Fucking disgusting fatass

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No hand holding like quest markers, decent soundtrack, spooky dungeon ambience, massive sprawling labyrinth dungeons you dont clear in 15 minutes, variety of enemies, best stat sheet customization, Sprite titties

Clearly you have not played either game.

You just described literally every single TES game

change TESO for Battlespire.

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No, he didn't. The "barren wasteland" that is Daggerfall puts every other TES to shame in both quantity and emptiness.

For me it´s..

Morrowind / Daggerfall >>>>> Skyrim > Oblivion > Battlespire > Arena..

Never played TESO or Blades.

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Anyone else sad that the next, and all future, ES is not going to be as good because graphics, mechanics, physics, etc are all going to be "better" ultimately removing the dynamic and freedom of the game, the modding possibilities, not to mention the soulless aspect.

The next game is still on gamebryo so we still have mods at least

Swap Skyrim and Oblivion

what did he mean by this

morrowind sucks, oblivion is contextually amazing or shitty, and skyrim is generic, sad bullshit

Morrowind > Daggerfall > ESO > Oblivion > Skyrim > Arena

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Modded Oblivion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit >>>>>>>>>>>> modded Skyrim

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I really like Oblivion, is one of the most comfy games, 10/10 music, and has the most memorable quest.

But, Skyrim did better in the atmosphere and the world built in general, two hands for combat, more spells and magic variety, and shouts make the gameplay more fun.
Also Oblivion is a nightmare to mod, Skyrim is more easy.

In terms of fun:
Oblivion > Daggerfall > Arena > Morrowind > Skyrim

I prefer goofy bullshit over overly dark and boring narratives.

In terms of fun time wasting MMOs:
Old School Runescape
Fuck elder scrolls online

first es game i really played was oblivion, i've played more skyrim now than i ever did oblivion. and i enjoyed morrowind more intensely than either

>THE ELDER SCROLLS IV
>FROM THE MAKERS OF THE ELDER SCROLLS V
What kind of clown world is this

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>drink fortify strenght 34k potion
>die
morrowind is the best purely for how much you can fuck it up

Skyrim
Actually played them all, unlike most people here

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I like Morrowind alot but Oblivion is my personal favourite. I just prefer Cyrodil's traditional European Fantasy feel to the strange, high fantasy world of Morrowind.

Morrowind>Skyrim>Oblivion>Daggerfall

Oblivion is definitely the most overrated. Basically made a few modest and obvious improvements to Morrowind, but a lot of it's more fun features.

Morrowind on the other hand has not aged well, nor has Daggerfall. Not really into the procedurally generated shit or jankiness of Daggerfall. Maybe if I played it when it came out I would like it more.

Oh good lord, I can't stop laughing now noooooo

Skyrim because I'm not a faggot

I've played them all

This dude would be right at home on Yea Forums lel

In response to your image:

I think the conundrum isn't so much that people just want "hardcore gamer cred", which is a rather pissant explanation, but that people DO like the idea of arena shooters, but end up finding them inaccessible. The skill ceiling/curve is just so high, that it's difficult for the average person to sit down and penetrate into the core playerbase of an arena shooter.

This leads to a circular issue where people don't play because the core playerbase is too skilled, which means that the playerbase never flattens out its overall skill level, which keeps the core playerbase small and highly skilled on average. I remember watching a video about Quake Champions; the person presenting the video noted that the playerbase really tried hard to be accommodating and encouraging to the new players they were stomping the shit out of, because they wanted them to stick around and grow the community.

I think the immense popularity of Halo was a good indicator that people do like something arena shooter-like, so long as it's accessible and has a low skill ceiling. I mean, shit, people nowadays find CS too hard to get into, and for its time, it was a dumbing down of the shooter genre.

Oblivion and Arena are my faves.

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Wow. This guy is 100% correct.

Oblivion has the most soul, Morrowind is close though

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>generic english fantasy land
>despite established lore on the geography of the region to the contrary
>most soul
lol k

Morrowind is quite clearly the greatest rpg ever made, and thus the best TES game.
Mods help even the playing field; they do way more for its successors.
Skyrim and Oblivion are both virtually unplayable without mods. Oblivion edges out Skyrim in the mod department because its overhauls are so incredible, but Skyrim needs less to be a decent game (UI fixes, alternate start). Mods are still barely able to turn Skyrim into an actual rpg though.

>Great tier
Morrowind
Oblivion
Skyrim

>Nice tier
TESO

>Outdated tier
Arena
Daggerfall

a world where people ask store employees "When's Skyrim 2 coming out?"

>quite clearly the greatest rpg ever made
You called?

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Quests

Morrowind
MQ Top tier best in series
Faction No narrative arc simply do stuff till in charge
Side MMO tier no C&C

Oblivion
MQ Serviceable if unspectacular
Faction Top tier narrative arcs best in series
Side Interesting and varied no C&C

Skyrim
MQ Has a 1 and 1A MQ Both solid One still has a thread about up on this board right now.
Faction Continues the narrative arc style though not as well.
Side Abundance of C&C a few standouts.

Skyrim. I'm not a contrarian faggot who is stuck on some fake nostalgic shit who just parrots whatever some lets player says. Best providence. Best characters. Best story. Best DLC.

fallout 1 + pop culture memes - the urgency to finish the game

They all fucking suck.
Bethesda never had the manpower or capacity to make their games as big as they set out to be, which is why they've slowly devolved and gotten simpler over the years.
The older games, although more complex mechanics wise, had to compensate for the lack of tech with auto-generated shit.

Elder scrolls before Morrowind was completely irrelevant.

Usenet users are universally based.

Now answer Anders' question.

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Yup. It also has the best combat and gameplay balance too, shitty as it is. Morrowind and Oblivion fags are such cancer. Those games are literally just Skyrim, but worse.

Just finished Morrowind, and now I want to play through Oblivion since every other time I've tried I've ended up bored. Any mods that you need for a first time? Is it worth trying to mod it even for those mods?

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>Any mods that you need for a first time?
DarNified UI to bring the Xbox Hueg font down to a reasonable size is the only thing truly necessary in that case.
And the unofficial patches. There are plenty of other mods that I would never play Oblivion without but a first time playthrough of any game should always be vanilla.

morrowind is the best by such a huge margin its not even comparable. the world is so alien and fleshed out, the main quest line is probably the best of any rpg ever. the amount of content in the game is staggering too, you can play through the game several times, hundreds of hours, and still find new things. the writing and characters are much better too.

skyrim > oblivion though since theyre both dumbed down and casualized at least skyrim does that better

Combat

Morrowind
Mechanics Horrible implementation of a bad idea
AI Designed for the enemy to put itself in position to killed as quickly as possible
Scaling Minimal until the DLC. The world lost all sense of danger because of this

Oblivion
Mechanics Huge leap forward
AI The enemies gained a sense of self preservation
Scaling Atrocious simply atrocious.

Skyrim
Mechanics Brilliant.Yes it was stolen from another game still brilliant.
AI Now the enemy has the ability to try and flank you. Vast improvement
Scaling Nearly perfect.

I think it's a stretch to say that the only bad thing about the game is dated mechanics. Obviously dates mechanics and graphics plays a role, but it's not like the main story couldn't be better. There could be more side quests, more interesting ones. More things to do. More dwemer story. There could be good combat, though almost no games have good combat.

>Skyrim
>Best story

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Daggerfall = Morrowind > Oblivion = ESO > Arena >>> Skyrim

Magic

Every game Magic,enchanting, and alchemy is easily exploitable and trivializes the game.
They have shown no inclination or ability to change this.

For my tastes Skyrim is by far the best in the series. Other game have done things particularly well but fall short in the total package.

Morrowind is the best by far. Anyone who puts Skyrim or Oblivion above Morrowind are mega faggots and underage.

Or they have played all three.
Nostalgia's helluva drug.
I know I know you just started today and blah blah blah

Hey kid, this website is for 18+ only.

Imagine being so fat you look at video games and think of food.

Imagine thinking deep dish is really pizza, that shit is disgusting, you might as heat up a block of mozzarella in the microwave and drizzle red sauce over it.

morrowind
>best world
>best main quest
>best factions
>best writing

oblivion
>funny memes about how bad it is
>dark brotherhood is really great

skyrim
>best combat but who plays these games for combat?

daggerfall is actually really bad. randomly generated quests and dungeons can go fuck themselves

Morrowindfags need to unite against the Daggerfags.
Daggerfall is buggy copy pasted trash that only gives a good impression if you play it for a few hours and don't realize you've already seen everything there is to see.
I don't care where you put it relative to Oblivion or Skyrim, but it's insulting to put it on the same level as Morrowind.

Not him but despite having a randomly generated world and 2d sprites, the world feels way more rel compared to the other games

>all this diseaslet cope
skyrim doesn't even have corprus, arguably the most iconic disease of the whole damn series
for shame
the only way to make it playable is with the unofficial disease pack

Morrowind is Tony's, Oblivion is Vinny's, Skyrim is Little Caesar's

NPCs

Morrowind
Personality None. Unless you are a fan of wikis they are little more than cardboard cutouts
AI None

Oblivion
Personality The random NPCs are varied and well done.
AI They have schedules but as it is an early attempt some have a tendency to get in trouble.

Skyrim
Personality Not nearly as much as Oblivion. Few memorable NPCs
AI A far more polished implementation of radient AI

Truly the dearth of diseases and ladders hurts but we must muddle through in these troubled times.

The daggerfags are guests from the codex. They will wander home in a week or so.
Morrowindfags need to worry about Oblivionfags. The Nostalgia should start hitting them hard fairly soon.
That is their real competition.

So is it bad that Daggerfall and Morrowind are unironically my two favorite games of all time?
For the record I'm a Morrowind nostalgiafag who played it first in 2002, then tried Daggerfall in 2004, but got bored at first and didn't really get into it until 2012.

I need to know how bad my taste is so I can figure out whether it makes any sense to post my opinions on video games at all in the future.

You're the quantum shitposter, holding opinions that are simultaneously based and cringe.

>Morrowind NPCs with no personality

It just seems that way because they're not voice acted. Morrowind NPCs have ton of personality, one of the most iconic eccentrics in the series is Crassius Curio. Divath Fyr being another example, along with Yagrum chillin in the corprus basement.

Maybe you don't like to read or something idk.

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If you want to talk Morrowind here you may have some success as the fans haven't aged out of the system yet.

If you want to talk Daggerfall we have some guests from the codex because somebody updated the game. They will probably wander off in a week or so and head back to the RPG Codex so you may have better luck going there to talk Daggerfall.

If you found a hint of personality sifting through the wikispeak good on ya.

The worst part of Morrowind is the combat, and the combat of Morrowind is still better than the Combat of Skyrim and Oblivion.
Morrowind > Oblivion+Skyrim
I never played Daggerfall. Maybe it's better.

There are NPCs with personality in Morrowind but I get what he means; the vast majority don't have any and wouldn't whether they were voiced or not. Just the main quest characters, major faction members, and some other quest related dudes have any real personality, while the other ~1000 NPCs in the game just talk like they're reading a dictionary at you.
In fact sometimes they literally ARE, like when you ask about the services in a major city and they yabber off the same exact passage found in the city guide pamphlets.

Contrast that with Oblivion and Skyrim where most NPCs who - although lacking most of the misc topics that delivered generic info in Morrowind - have their own unique intros and responses to topics that establish their personality. Oblivion especially hammed it up hard, even shopkeepers and villagers were memorable.

Morrowind >>> Skyrim >> Oblivion > the rest of em

Try exorcizing an ounce of self-control and not clicking on shit you've already read.
Do you know the definition of insanity?

It annoys me that they never did anything interesting with the IP except some fun power-wank for the lore. There's no reason this shit couldn't have been a dungeon crawler, RTS, etc. You could have made a fantasy SimCity or something.

Really shit gameplay, with some interesting world building, that eventually degrades into slightly less shit gameplay and shit world interactions. 3 > 4 > 5 > ESO.

Not played the older games.

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>there could be good combat
Import Dark Messiah
>more dwemer story
You literally have to do a PhD on that topic and present it to archmage to become an archmage. Did you even play the game?
>more interesting side quests
Yes, then again, Morrowind has a good chunk of those already.

Old google groups archives that people dig through.

It's Usenet newsgroups, zoomer.

Daggerfall

Yeah but they're archived on google groups because... well who knows what the fuck google was thinking.

> Dark Messiah combat
I watched a video on it yesterday.Not as into kicking and throwing barrels as you are.
> Morrowind has a good chunk of interesting side quests
Name one. They are all MMOtier fetch/kill quests.

You search for Usenet archives you'll find something else.

Not him but to be fair all quests in RPGs fall into the same 3 or so flavors. Talk to someone, get something, kill something. I mean take even the most interesting Oblivion quests like the dinner darkbrotherhood quest. At the end of the day the quest is kill 5 people oh how exiting. Every theives guild quest is go somewere and pick up an item woopdie do. Its the story and world around it that makes it interesting. As for some decent Morrowind quests just about every Telvani mouth quest is great. Of the top of my head here is one quest that happens early on that is interesting en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:New_Clothes
Though again at the end of the day its a quest were you go to that tower and talk to the lady how boring.

Fair point.
Morrowind it was little more than a means to an end.
Compare that to Oblivion The painting quest,The paranoid Bosmer, etc and I think you can understand my point.

The only side quests I remember from Morrowind were the escort quests. It wasn't because they were interesting.

How do we fix the gameplay of these games? The writing will never be as good as it used to be, but the gameplay could be better than it ever was.

just get Arkane to fix it

Wait, good point. Why haven't they?

One with drug trafficking. Want another one? That ring in the pond.
>they are all MMOtier fetch/kill
And yet they do not feel that way unlike ones in Skyrim.
>kicking and throwing barrels
There is more to it than that. And yes, environmental hazards are nice things to have around.

I get what you mean, could have been tech limitations and for sure you get immersion-broken when you talk to a khajiit with unique dialogue options that transliterate his accent, then ask him about latest rumors and it's the same copy paste you'd see from any other race.

I'm just saying that claiming morrowind NPCs have NO personality is stupid, some of the most memorable ones in the whole series come from that game.

They didn't own Arkane back when Skyrim was being made.

Are they the Dark Messiah folks?
Yeah no.
I believe they are the folks behind Arx Fatalis as well.
They are just as bad at magic as they were with melee. You had to draw a rune with your mouse in order to cast a spell in that game.

nono as in, since then. it's not like they're against side-projects, hence f76.

The ring in the pond is memorable because it is near impossible to find the fucking thing. Not from being particularly well written or interesting.
I have no idea what the drug trafficking quest is.

>memorable because it was difficult to find
Depends on the player. It is what follows after you find it that got me.
>no idea what drug trafficking quest is
You might want to just go and read up on quests in Morrowind on UESP. Kinda lame to call all of them fetch.kill quests when a chunk of them is not.

Hlaalu had a bunch of quests with different solutions, either from speech/disposition stuff or that whole spying plotline with the, uh, I always get caldera and pelagiad mixed up but the guy in there.
The artifact hunting ones in the imperial cult were cool too, asking specific classes of npcs to learn the whereabouts of some well designed dungeons (an admitted rarity in Morrowind with all those tiny tombs and empty egg mines dotting the land that my completionist autism made me go in) with those avatars of the gods hiding out.

copy mountain blade

>You had to draw a rune with your mouse in order to cast a spell in that game.
And? It's a neat idea to differentiate Magic from normal combat.
I hope you are not insinuating that Elder Scrolls m1 spam magic is any better.

You mean have them go back and update Skyrim?
There's no money to be made doing that.

In a perfect world, men like me would not exist
But this is not a perfect world.

The ring quest is what led me to just walk away from Morrowind.
Couldn't find the ring so I went and learned all the detect spells.
Get back and start casting. Look on screen and the minimap and nothing.
Go online and find out it shows up in the map in the menu screen.
Open it get a little closer open it get a little closer open it get a little closer open it SUCCESS head to the surface .
Get stuck on kelp and drown.
I have no idea how it ends as I had had my fill at that point.

I am not insinuating anything. I am outright saying it. Drawing runes with your mouse is stupid.

I disagree.

>The artifact hunting ones in the imperial cult
Those were some of my favorites too, but they aren't complex or branching or anything, so I don't know if it's fair to call them strong quests. What made them memorable is that they played to Morrowind's strengths by having you investigate, explore, and ultimately find a powerful unique item. In a similar vein my favorite thing in the game is that big ancient Nordic burial site hidden deep underneath an ancestral tomb that you can learn about by buying that one Nord in a bar some booze.

morrowind / daggerfall
skyrim / oblivion / teso
battlespire
arena
mobile phone games on nokia
oblivion on psp

It may be interesting in concept in practice I imagine it would get tedious.
They weren't complete failures. If you killed a chicken with a fire spell you got a cooked chicken.

Bwahahahahaha. Pathetic.

I liked daedric armor in Skyrim, and Oblivion’s was ok

No good deed goes unpunished, outlander.

To be fair most of the armor in oblivion looked goofy except for the standard fair like iron and steel.

I agree.
Why wouldn't they put the detect spell someplace useful?
Did no one use the spell in testing. It was their first stumbling steps forward so I guess you can give em a pass on it.

Morrowind had A LOT of moments like this vid.
Also, try that one quest with finding all those sanguine items for Mora Tong. Now that was something.

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Worked fine in Arx I thought.
Obviously it wouldn't be 1:1, Elder Scrolls is a lot more action oriented and has a LOT more fighting than Arx, having to flip through the spellbook for something appropriate and getting your precasts ready for every fight would be tedious.

Without mods:
>Daggerfall has the best levelling system but a subpar world.
>Morrowind has the best world but a dogshit levelling system.
>Skyrim is a stripped down RPG-made-action-adventure game with enough weird unbalanced shit to make for fun meme runs
I like all three equally for different reasons and hate the others.

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I am thinking by the 100th casting of spells the carpal tunnel would be cause to rethink your enthusiasm.
It would have to be hell on the wrist.

Morrowind>who cares lmao

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Based

>quake
>skill
fuck off with this meme.