Every notable fighting game released on console save for UNIB has had more than 11, this is just next level jewery
Parker Clark
What annoys me the most is they kept saying "Oh these are just the simple starting characters, more variety is coming!" Then we got Percival who is a little different but mostly a shoto, and now we only have 3 more. I hope they get enough backlash to delay the game.
ArcSys trying to do simple games has been a failure, BBtag was the best and that is just fun kuso.
The game has done so much for casuals, but how can this miss casuals love a big roster? Look at any casual discussion of a fighter and it is 90% I WANT THIS GUY NO THEY SUCK ADD HER etc. Casuals want a load of random characters that feel different. It will still sell well in Japan cause of freebies, but this will bomb in the west
>No draphs what the fuck are they thinking. draph titties are one of the most popular things among people who don't play granblue. Naru is an obvious pick for trying to grab a wider audience.
David Ramirez
You are forced to boycott it when they announce Vira so the roster size and variety doesn't matter.
Evan Murphy
Everyone outside of here seems to be eating this shit up fightan will die and normalfags killed it
Brandon Flores
Well there's only 3 characters left Zeta uses a spear which means she'll be braindead simple too Vaserage will be auto-footsie with super armor Metera is the only one that might be complex
Jack Bell
Aliza is literally perfect for a fighting game, if they don't put her in at some point I have no idea what the fuck they're doing
William Martin
I want pits!
Isaac Cook
um you got ladiva sweetie
Matthew Campbell
>I hope they get enough backlash to delay the game But the most is THAT SPECIFIC POINT. We have to wait until february 2020 to get a game with 11 fucking characters, so they only have 3 announcements that we already fucking know. Holy shit, what a fucking shit show this game is, Cygames are fucking retarded.
Ian Richardson
Vaseraga is still coming
Levi Jones
>People surprised that gayblue fantasy has a gay roster
Cooper Gray
>beat em up with a glorified versus mode When you think about it like that, it's actually worth it What were they thinking
Day 1 buy for me and there’s nothing you can do to stop me.
Eli Morgan
>Everyone outside of here I've seen a lot of complaints mixed with praising the RPG mode. Even the positive people go 11 is a really bad look. But yeah everyone is enamoured enough by pretty graphics and the idea it will be big. This will be DBFZ all over again
Man there was so much potential in these characters and it has just gone no where.
Camden Jackson
Don't worry bro, the first Season Pass character will be available at launch so they actually 4 announcements left
>they have the rest of the year to announce a whopping 3 characters They've been doing a bad enough job of keeping it a relevant topic already with how sparsely they put out news, holy fuck
Samuel Rogers
>Evo weekend >Literally the most competitive players >Let's reveal a single player mode and announced that we have the smallest launch roster for a fighting game in years
not really, she's not that popular among Granblue fans, so the DLC won't be appealing enough with her, but she is popular among casuals who might not even buy the game without her.
GGXrd launched with a big animated story mode and far mor complex characters with more moves >but arcade Wasn't the version I paid full price for. Cygames has the money, they could have planned better
>Make Versus, a fighting game >Also make Relink, an action RPG >Use the Versus budget to do an action RPG anyway, so you have no budget left to make an actual fighting game Literally, unironically what the FUCK were they thinking
>animated story mode And this has the story mode plus several bosses and mooks
Austin Phillips
This big animated story you're talking about doesn't have boss fights, enemy NPCs, equipment systems, leveling mechanics and co-op.
Grayson Rogers
>ArcSys trying to do simple games has been a failure, BBtag was the best and that is just fun kuso. This is true. There's some good ideas in GBVS but the game had a lot of issues just from the closed beta. Shame, Granblue has a varied cast with crazy powers and Cygames insisted on trying to be SFII all over again.
Joseph Sanchez
Games that ASW is working on: Blazblue CTB DLC DBFZ DLC Granblue Versus new Guilty Gear rumored DBFZ sequel
That should explain everything.
Nathan Evans
But they have Single Player :^)
Dylan Wright
>all that dlc baiting they can pull off Man it must feel good being Arcsys
Benjamin Howard
>Tranny >2 Homo knights >2 dykes >Bull and BLACKED characters Nice SJW game
Liam Morris
What are you? Poor?
Jaxon Wood
>The weapon skin feature allows you to apply the appearance of certain weapons to others, even in Versus mode! That's neat.
Nicholas Roberts
Bad user
Jordan Gray
>I want a modern fighting game to have a tekken force like mode again!
Just going to ignore the far more complex character bit? That long animated story took a load of time an effort on a considerably smaller budget. The RPG mode isn't an excuse.
David Richardson
WHY IS LOWAIN IN THE BASE ROSTER
Jayden Martin
>on console >save for UNIB UNIEL had 14 in arcade and added 2 for console. UNIB never had a console release.
Nolan Garcia
If you like fighting games, you get fucked in the ass. There hasn't been a single fighting game released without a controversy in over a decade. Unless you count Smash. That's just how this genre is.
>Weapon skins will actually apply outside of the RPG mode Alright that's actually cool Though with how many times I'd heard about how hard making new models for GG is, I can't imagine how them pushing this feature must've went
Ian Roberts
Base roster has 5 males, 5 females and a tranny. I assume the Season Pass will keep the numbers equal so 2 males, 2 females and another tranny.
Henry Cook
Might be bullshit but I remember reading that P5U is in the works too.
The director for P4U said that he wants to make it but there hasnt been any news or anything on it
Connor Baker
I highly doubt the complexities of the character is gonna factor into the cost more than rendering the character itself. Are you gonna ignore the fact that a completely separate game mode =/= a visual novel?
Wyatt Davis
Don't worry, he's gonna silently be replaced with another Knight close to release since they still can't bother with making him playable
Dylan Kelly
No. The only guarantees are the rest of the homoknights, along with a pair unit consisting of already existing homoknights.
>I highly doubt the complexities of the character is gonna factor into the cost The characters have less normals and less moves. That is less to animate. When every character's combos are the same there is much less to think about and work on. There is less going on mechanically so there is less to work on.
>a visual novel Confirmed for not even playing it
>completely separate game mode You guys have spent months going on about how Cygames can dump millions into esports, yet all of a sudden they are so poor and can't afford anything. ArcSys did a lot on a small budget, more complex characters and a big 3D animated story mode along with other single player. Cygames have done a little despite their potential.
Show me the gameplay segments of Guilty Gear's story mode.
Jayden Johnson
>The last breath of a dying company trying to revive after it's staple was taken away from it >From 2008 Wow, good comparison. You gonna post Karate Champ next?
Joshua James
If i recall Tekken 7 didnt had any mayor drama, nor samsho or unist
Leo Nelson
>game made by a dying company with 0 budget wow user great contribution
Aiden Butler
>gameplay Oh, so you just don't know what visual novel means. I guess you think all movies are visual novels.
Adrian Cooper
Looks like to me time constrains rather money constraints though
Jace Roberts
yeah the gameplay sucks
Landon Sanchez
>No Beato >No Eustace >No Cagliostro >No Ayer or Jamil >No Sara or Sarunan >No Narmaya, Aliza, Izmir or Sturm >No lesbian
>story mode in versus is literally just a recreation of the gacha game why do people still play the gacha?
Angel Diaz
I'm pretty sure their presentation style is aiming to be as close to a visual novel as possible. Just because they use 3D models doesn't change that fact. Unless you insist Virtue's Last Reward and Zero Time Dilemma are movies?
Josiah Hernandez
I like Ladiva for being a showy grappler which fits perfectly in a fighting game, but what the FUCK is Lowain doing in this game?
Julian Edwards
SmaSho: PC version later than console release, shit graphics Tekken: Took forever to release, DLC took even longer, promised that legacy characters wouldn't have to be paid for but then you had to buy them anyway
I think this is supposed to be the fabled rpg fighting game tutorial we've all heard about. Can't wait to see this backfire
Lucas Cruz
Emphasis on "or". They should have at least one female draph (No, Ladiva doesn't count), regardless of which one they pick.
Joseph Hill
Narmaya is DLC because that makes them more money
Chase Bennett
>Fighting game launches with a beatemup mode As one of the 3 people here that like single player modes in fighting games as something to do in between matches, I'm happy they're doing what many people have already suggested. I just hope the mode is fun/well made instead of jank and stupid.
Adrian Nguyen
Is Lowain in just because they already decided to include Yggs for the RPG mode, and wanted to get full mileage out of it
Owen Harris
When people asked for single player modes, they meant "in addition" to the rest of the game, not in spite of it.
Brody Butler
Literally all the characters are dev favorites, nobody was picked based on popularity with the actual players.
Jace King
>just got done with grinding primals >tfw have to do it all again but in a different game
who are the dykes and blacked characters? I don't give a fuck about gran blue, but I didn't know it had this much gay shit in it.
Adam Cox
>story is literally a few hour anime >single player modes are just the same shit they had decades ago in their other games Meanwhile Versus is getting an actual story with actual gameplay that is unique to the genre and has replay value and online coop mmm
Oh shit, neat. I'm a secondary who only knows GB from Versus and the first season of the anime so more anime is cool.
Alexander Parker
Percival is a dev favorite first, he just became popular with the players too
Alexander Perez
user, 10 characters is a lot for a fighting game. I mean do you really need 8 characters? 5 characters is pretty normal. I only expected 2 so 3 is amazing!
Brandon Bell
Same as with Gran, Lyria and Siero VAs he has an all time disponibility
Christopher Perez
Explain Blazblue then
Andrew Anderson
11 characters in the base roster?? This was the fighting game I was looking forward to the most since playing the beta but... that's just pathetic.
Leo Jenkins
Who the fuck cares about single player modes in fucking fighting games? Only retarded casuals that don't care about the competitive scene, you all can die for all I care. Only 11 fucking characters is ridiculous, AND they can be learned in under an hour. Are you fucking kidding me?
I honestly think 11 characters is fine. I understand there's a lot of autistic screeching because people's favorite waifus didn't get in or whatever, but for a new fighting game, especially focused on bringing in the beginner audience, only having to learn 10 matchups for your preferred main is a good choice. I'm sure your titty wank bank or 9000 year old pedobait demons will get added in later anyway so stop your bitching.
Jace Young
It will have 5 more in season pass but honestly the most important part is that they will offer items for the mobile if you buy VS. That strategy is how they sell their animes blu-ray and works pretty well in asia.
Colton Bennett
>30 hour poorly written visual novel
Robert Bailey
>from the creators of Dororo S2 and Zombie Land Saga QUALITY Literally A1 pictures 1.2
Zachary Green
who artist
Ian Howard
Xrd on it's original release had 12 characters, don't go around pretending like granblue is some kind of reversal and rip off.
No new assets aside from story art until the one where you had to fight the giant black thing
Hudson Rodriguez
user, this line isn't working for you. Like said people want it in addition to a large roster. The RPG mode might not even end up good for all we know. MK11 launched with multiple modes and loads of customisation on top of 25 characters.
>but for a new fighting game No it isn't. You have to keep saying what about the arcade version of budget Arcsys games for a comparison. It looks bad next to other modern fighters.
Luke Smith
A roster size of 11 isn't going to bring in the cygames crowd. A tacked on single player isn't going to bring in the casual audience. A dumbed down fighter isn't going to bring in the FGC. So who is this game for?
Juan Thompson
What if you can unlock the generic enemies from the RPG mode as characters?
The RPG mode is literally the same thing as the story mode in the gacha. It's made for fans of the game. >sequel to a previous game has more characters than a completely new game Do I need to refer to Xrd starting out with 12 characters again?
Adam Butler
12 characters with depth, that's pretty good. Granblue has 11 characters designed to be simple so beginners can understand them, they have no depth and can be learned in under an hour. It's fucking ridiculous. They're simpler than SFV characters, and because of that I was expecting at least 20 of them for launch.
James Bennett
Arcade revenue generates more money than the console release probably
Carter Clark
>You guys have spent months going on about how Cygames can dump millions into esports, yet all of a sudden they are so poor and can't afford anything CyGames can have unlimited money and it wouldn't matter. ASW's modeling can't be outsourced, so they're limited to how much staff they have in-house. Hiring more staff on your own budget for a single contracted project is a really bad call. CyGames have no reason to front the bill for ASW's hiring costs unless they were looking to purchase the studio.
CyGames is a business, even if they want to publish good games they still don't want to make decisions that they know are going to lose money.
T7's arcade release was really, really bad. It was a great game by the time it hit console, but it still had some minor drama like the other guy brought up.
Oliver Foster
fug i got a second fire harvin staff.
Angel Williams
>wanting a massive roster so that you can never learn all the match-ups lmao
Connor Evans
>but for a new fighting game, especially focused on bringing in the beginner audience, only having to learn 10 matchups for your preferred main is a good choice Try reading the entire argument before responding to it next time
Isaac Edwards
Why do you think how hard a character is to learn is relevant to how long it takes to make them?
I don't. But if they're gonna be simple there should be more of them. Or at least give them depth so I don't lose interest after a day because they're just that easy to learn.
Brody Thompson
>It's made for fans of the game. Too bad they didn't make the characters fans wanted. People want both, not one or the other
>sequel Okay then, DBFZ had 24.
>Do I need to refer to Xrd starting out with 12 characters again? No cause everyone laughs at you for bringing up and arcade game vs the full release
You're still wrong though, and casuals weren't demanding less match up. You are desperately inventing reasons to justify it
Luis Bailey
Don't give FKHR ideas
Aiden Jackson
Good thing Juri is among FKHR'S favorite character.
Blake Perez
Melty Blood has 31 charracters each with 3 different styles that change up their movesets in large ways. People still love that game, >muh matchup learning is not an excuse
Hunter Long
I'm sure making characters for DBFZ is easy because they all have the same face and outfit.
Ethan Reed
>especially focused on bringing in the beginner audience The ease of execution will help alot with bringing in casuals, but so far who in Granblue Versus does anything so interesting looking that a casual viewer might watch some footage and be wowed enough to try them out? I haven't seen anyone I strongly want to play yet, more like "I can play Ferry or Kat if I ever get this" so far
Carson Gonzalez
Then delay the game. I don't have to care about the why as a consumer, I care about what is put in front of me at the end of the day.
Ayden Baker
melty blood is a dead game that nobody outside of like 3 people actually knows how to play or currently plays stop being delusional
Tyler Foster
>Using DBFZ as a counterargument when most of the characters in that game are nearly identical LMAO It's not like the IP really let them have any creativity in that department however. Granblue isn't like that. >but arcade vs full release It's the original release of the game, who the fuck cares if you retards can't play it if it was to launch in arcade?
Henry Long
>DBFZ had 24. DBFZ is a 3v3. It's the equivalent of launching with 7-8 characters for a 1v1.
>You're still wrong though, Based on what reasoning?
>and casuals weren't demanding less match up It's not about what casuals are "demanding" it's about making a game that's easy for them to learn, and less matchups reflects that.
Andrew Allen
They're just armchair devs. People just assume a character done in xrd style will just be done as easily as Smash Ultimate.
They still exist and new arcade machines keep getting made so enough to still be profitable. Obviously not for every genre however, rhythm games seem to be much more successful while shmups kinda died.
>16 characters >too much match-ups to learn Sorry if we don't have a small bain like yours.
Asher Cruz
If they were going to have an RPG story mode this expansive, why didn't they just make the characters have actual depth? Now they're just appealing to casuals with the story mode AND the extremely dumbed down characters, when they could've appealed to two audiences instead.
>A roster size of 11 isn't going to bring in the cygames crowd worked for the atlus crowd. P4 had only 2 more and they were an original and her clone. Plus GG and BB started with 12.
>A tacked on single player isn't going to bring in the casual audience worked for BB more successful than GG ever was I think they broke a million in like "2" games
>A dumbed down fighter isn't going to bring in the FGC. worked for dbzf and bbtag
Colton Wright
lmao keep pretending like you know how to fight a good bedman in GG kid
Carter White
People would complain less about the roster size if the roster was more interesting (both the choice of characters and their moveset). The size just makes the boring characters even more apparent.
We don't need both Gran and Katalina. They fulfill similar role both story-wise and gameplay-wise. We don't need two homoknights. We don't need two unpopular joke characters. We don't need two zoning female erunes.
They should've picked more popular characters, more varied characters, and had more varied playstyles. And yes, the DLC might fix this, but that's irrelevant because people are going to decide to buy the base game based on the launch roster, not what could be added later.
Because cygames wanted the game to be like SF2 turbo and not an airdasher
Oliver Long
But they included most of the story characters that you'd have when you play the story + some other favorites from the time that the original story arc ran.
It's clear you don't actually know anything about granblue.
Cooper Diaz
fuck me sideways why 11? 11 is such weird number
Henry Cox
And GBV characters play the same
>when most of the characters in that game are nearly identical See above, you can't use that excuse when GBV is a baby game as well. This is literally the auto combo nightmare people described. It'd struggle to be more basic.
>who the fuck cares if you retards can't play it if it was to launch in arcade Cause one isn't a full priced game. Paying a few pennies for a low amount of characters doesn't annoy people as much.
>DBFZ is a 3v3 They still produced that many characters. Making a game 3v3 doesn't magically mean you can make more
>Based on what reasoning? That there was 0 demand for what you asked for, but there sure was for characters. The game is already as easy as it gets, you are making up a bad excuse cause you know 11 characters is a huge negative.
Eli Torres
Why are you projecting your own issues on me? Also, not a single GBVS character has the complexity of Bedman.
William Ward
I'm not a fan of the Granblue series, but I imagine anyone who plays those games would be thrilled at being able to play those characters in a fighting game. I imagine the crowd that plays the game is quite casual as well. Casuals that aren't fans of the gacha might be enticed by the pretty graphics I guess.
I like fighting games, don't care about granblue. They've shat out nothing but tag fighters in the last 2 years, and Xrd and CF are completely dead. I was looking forward to a new ASW 1v1 game but its braindead simple
>We don't need both Gran and Katalina. Gran is the main character and Katalina is the first character most players get >We don't need two homoknights Percival is one of the most popular males in the game. Lancelot provides a unique speed character niche otherwise yeah I agree he could go >Two unpopular joke characters Rowain isn't unpopular, Ladiva is a grappler but other than that yeah who gives a fuck about them >Two zoning female erunes They don't even have similar fighting styles
>They should've picked more popular characters >people are going to decide to buy the base game based on the launch roster, not what could be Granblue players are buying this game anyway for the in-game bonuses. Granblue playerbase is a lot higher than FGC crowd so cygames doesn't need to care either way
Adam Price
>it's literally just one gear fag spamming the thread Yes I like guilty gear just as much as you but seriously you need to shut the fuck up, this game literally isn't made for you. Companies don't exist just to please a small niche for all eternity >don't care about granblue Okay, so this game isn't for you now get out.
By the time that happens, game will be dead so probably a year
Angel Gomez
japanese girls who are too afraid to go to the arcade
Gavin Moore
>Now they're just appealing to casuals but that was the intent from the get go, even when the game was shown as a surprise almost two years ago the devs said they were aiming for the mobile game fanbase.
Austin Flores
The Gearfag's just salty that Ishiwatari won't make any new GGs till this is over. So spare him some pity. And be sure to watch the spergout when the new GG is launched with the simplicity of DBFZ and GBV.
Luis Jenkins
FUCK
Connor Johnson
Why are they afraid? Do they get molested there?
Dylan Jenkins
>the devs said they were aiming for the mobile game fanbase. So what did they put fighting game archetypes instead of fan favorites?
Luis Moore
>make games with wider appeal or nicher appeal mmm she's gonna be dlc guaranteed
Colton Flores
Just buy the dlcs goy! Like the other arc games ;)
Samuel Reed
This is what happens when people want to shove like 5 different projects on ASW, they could barely handle 2 at the same time. Maybe after this gets shoved out the granbluefags can shut up about it and we can get back to whining about our blazblue and guilty gear droughts.
we're not getting another BB or GG until the next decade, arc sys hates us
Jaxson Morris
>No more armpits Hol' up, what you say?
Jose Harris
KI 2020 will save fightan
Wyatt Rodriguez
How broke is Arcsys if they have to whore themselves like this
Brody Morgan
Them getting these projects is probably what will help fund their own projects in the future
Lucas Ross
>That there was 0 demand for what you asked for, but there sure was for characters Again, demand doesn't mean shit. The purpose of the game is to teach retards how to play and they'll learn better if there aren't 40+ character match ups to learn off the bat. Also of course there was demand for characters, it's a gacha game and every whale is going to want their waifu in it.
>11 characters is a huge negative 50 characters would be a "huge negative" in the eyes of people complaining. The fan audience is so huge you'll get an uproar of "game is shit because x isn't in it" no matter what you do. The fact of the matter is adding a million characters would be a detriment at the end because they'd be rushed and awful and casuals would drop it immediately because they wouldn't have the patience to learn how to fight against so many different characters.
Justin Parker
people actually play KI?
Henry James
>Gran is the main character and Katalina is the first character most players get Neither of them are particularly popular because of it, it just means players are familiar with them. We don't need both of them, one is enough to serve as the generic shoto.
>Percival is one of the most popular males in the game. Lancelot provides a unique speed character niche otherwise yeah I agree he could go Percival and Lancelot appeal to the exact same portion of the fanbase, and it's the portion of it that's the least likely to play a fighting game. We don't need both of them, at least not at release. Lancelot also doesn't "provide" anything because his archetype is extremely basic still and could be fulfilled with dozens of other characters.
>Rowain isn't unpopular, Ladiva is a grappler but other than that yeah who gives a fuck about them Lowain is "popular" in the same way that Katalina is "popular", there are dozens of more popular characters they could've picked instead.
>They don't even have similar fighting styles They appeal to the same people.
Matthew Lopez
percival is popular with male players too
Ryan Barnes
What you see is what you get
Jeremiah Rivera
>No more armpits You made it sound like they censored Ferry's armpits, you alarming asshole. Fuck you.
Brayden Rivera
Alright user fess up, which waifu of yours didn't get in that's causing this sperg out?
Carson Torres
>Slutty archer who can fly and purehearted girl with ghost friend summons/set-ups appeal to the same people they share neither archetype nor playstyle
In a perfect world we would have at least 4 more characters in the base game and Lucilius would be the super broken boss character in the RPG mode.
Grayson Torres
Did they show off a new character during the stream or are they saving it for when evo is live again?
Anthony Martin
So them including popular characters isn't good enough, they need to be popular for YOU instead?
Daniel Ortiz
They had time to master the system tthis time around
Luke Thompson
Perpetually.
Jack Wilson
Yes
Jaxson Nguyen
Gran is the basic shoto and Katalina is the advanced. Again this is made to teach people how to play fighting games. I don't know why you have problems understanding this.
Hudson Ramirez
>and Lucilius would be the super broken boss character in the RPG mode. Nah you always bet on Bahamut. Mostly because he needs no set up
>its not an infinite combo airdash anime fighter so its shit
Dominic Barnes
>this is made to teach people how to play fighting games Don't know why, just give them crazy shit to mash with their friends and call it a day, that's what most people are getting this game for.
Oliver Morgan
>You enjoyed grinding for thousands of hours on your mobile phone? >Now you can do the grind on your PS4 as well!
Xavier Price
We can't have lucilius without first having sandalphon as a playable character and WMTSB being part of the story.
Wyatt Young
>Again, demand doesn't mean shit Yes it does cause they gets people to buy and play. You need to meet demands to get people in the door. The game is not complex enough where more than 11 character is way too much to handle, there is very little going on. Your excuse does not work for such a simple game where even basic pressure is very restricted. You want to keep going on about 40+ characters, when really everyone thought 16-20 would be a reasonable guess. No one was asking for 50.
You know what game is growing? Tekken 7, a game with a million random shit you need to learn and execution just to move well. Your idea is just bullshit.
Zachary Taylor
it didn't start out that way obviously the players had time to learn the new characters (and moons) as they added them. New players complain about entering a longstanding game all the time, thats one of the reasons tekken 7 cut its roster so significantly compared to ttt2
Jayden Sanders
>thats one of the reasons tekken 7 cut its roster so significantly compared to ttt2 No that's because TTT is the exception of having a large cast while the main games where focusing on making larger adjustments to a smaller cast of characters
Zachary Gray
It's an experiment, I guess. If they wanted to do what you're suggesting then they could have just made an arena fighter kusoge and paid pajeets to model/code it and called it a day.
Adrian Perez
>Katalina is the advanced She really isn't. Gran is rushdown, Kat is more neutral focused. Neither is more advanced or complex.
>Again this is made to teach people how to play fighting games I always hate this excuse, if you set the bar this low that means everyone will move on quick. Which creates a dead game, so other new players have no one to learn with and have to play other games.
Liam Sanders
You'll definitely get to 16-20 through the DLC so I really don't get your bitching here.
Hunter Edwards
Except Katalina, Gran, Lowain bros, Ferry, and Ladiva aren't popular characters casuals who play the game don't care about them. Those characters are just well liked by the Cygames staff.
Christopher Mitchell
well I believe they need Gran because hes in the title but Katalina is a MASSIVE sniff
Levi Long
I kinda wish they did, most people would have acted just as crazy over the reveal if it still looked good. Now we have to pretend people want to seriously compete in it for maybe the next year.
Yes which is why he's a good pick, put Lancelot in the Season Pass and pick someone else for the base game.
I'm not talking about what I want, I'm talking about variety. Pick characters that appeal to different people, at least until you have a sizeable roster. With only 11 characters, it's important to have variety. You can have redundant characters or unpopular picks when your roster is 16+. For example, I think Charlotta is a good pick because you need at least one Harvin, but they shouldn't add another Harvin until they have more characters.
We don't know what Metera's playstyle is going to be but it's obviously she'll be a zoner, so we have two zoners and both are erunes. Sure it's not the EXACT same type of girl and it won't be the EXACT same type of zoning, but with only 11 characters, you need a bigger difference between characters. Again, I wouldn't complain if the game had 16 characters. It's like if SF5 launched with Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Sakura and Sagat, that'd be retarded.
Katalina isn't different enough from Gran to be noteworthy and she sure as hell isn't """advanced""" enough that beginners can't learn her (Percival seems to be the actual advanced shoto anyway).
>Again this is made to teach people how to play fighting games. SF2 was pretty much the first actual fighting game and it had more variety in its roster, both in visual appeal and in gameplay.
Liam Rivera
>last character reveal is macho vyrn
Leo King
DLC is just the way fighting games work now. It's jewey but the alternative is way worse.
Cameron Harris
Not that user but only really Percival is popular and even then he's popular with women.
Joshua Nelson
Game is for casuals tho, and people who never have picked up a fighting game. The directors of the game have said this in the past.
Lucas Campbell
I can understand if they were trying to appeal to Granblue players with how they chose their roster, but then it gets weird with someone like Ladiva being added to clearly fill the grappler role. Like a weird ass compromise where you try to do a story focused roster while also trying to cover the usual fighting styles, and then there's Lowain who I can't really fit into either group unless he's more popular than I hear
>SF2 was pretty much the first actual fighting game and it had more variety in its roster, I agree, but gamers of today aren't as knowledgeable or willing to learn as gamers of the past. Not saying this to start a boomer/zoomer argument but it's true. You really have to baby them, and I guess that's what Granblue is going for.
Levi Murphy
But Ladiva also just recently had an event focused entirely on her in the gacha It clearly wasn't just a "she's a grappler so she's in" kinda thing.
>Game is for casuals tho Yeah and they'll get bored too. The bar is nearing divekick meme game levels of low. if it is meant to teach, people will out grow it too quick and leave no one else to play with. They've also talked about esports a lot and put a decent sum on money into the FGC. So they obviously want a bit more out of it.
Aiden Clark
>divekick ok guiltycuck we get it You hate granblue You don't want to play granblue goodbye
Ethan Peterson
there's only one thing that can save this roster now
I think you're overestimating how easy casuals are going to "out grow it". I'm sure you're a fighting game player so it's hard to visualize, but try to imagine yourself having literally ZERO knowledge about fighting games. You don't even know what whiff punishing means and the concept of frame data means nothing to you. You're that girl moving the N64 thumbstick with her thumb and index finger. This kind of person going into Granblue has a TON of things to learn, and I think the game could keep them occupied for a very long time.
Jason Clark
they probably made enough from dragon ball to make 3 new guilty gear updates. BBTAG was no cost shovelware that served as a stopgap between their next project and the end of blazblue. All three of these games were simplified and licensed ( inc. rwby) to attract casuals who wouldn't normally play. My normie boss knew about dbzf when I told him about it believe me enough refugees will eventually move into guilty gear to justify it.
Matthew Hill
Not him, but no, they're not really when you compare to the massively more popular girls like Naru, Silva, Zeta, Beato, Cag, hell even Europa and Alexiel. They still have a fanbase, but there's a lot of more popular characters. I'll forgive Charlotta because they needed one character for Harvinfags and there's not a lot of them that are popular, but Ferry was a pretty weird pick if we're going on popularity. Granted she ended up being the most interesting character in the beta anyway so I guess it evens out.
The only actual characters in the roster are Lancelot and Percival (and they're popular with the same people), and Zeta. Everyone else is fine only because they're fulfilling a niche (Charlotta and Vaseraga) or could've been replaced by another more popular character while fulfilling the same gameplay function.
William Ward
Legacy character from back when the game had less waifus Lesbian but still popular with waifufags Popular seiyuu
Not him but even as a casual fighting game player it's easy to get bored with a fighting game if not much is going on with the characters.
Joshua Morris
The only SP fighting games should have is arcade mode, tutorial/mission mode, score attack/survival and practice. Anything else is a waste of time that could be used to make more characters.
Luke Bailey
what the fuck!!! holy shit i didn't expect all of this. i tought they meant a normal story with rpg elements. you can make grids fight bosses have multiple party members on screen. upgrade weapons and see the visual change. this is big.
I think they made 7 million last year take that how you will
Caleb Lopez
Relink already has all of this though
Bentley Miller
The last year of the game has more entrants than this year that isn't the last year of SFV You're very perceptive, still, no one plays SFIV anymore
Landon Perry
Ferry is there because she's one of the characters cygames traditionally pushes She has a CD, a billion skins, multiple versions etc.
Andrew Bailey
Yeah see you summer 2020
James Baker
People do not move on in groups. A few trickle into trying the others at best.
Caleb Morris
Starting to look a bit paranoid
But there really isn't much to learn here. Just look at the other attempts to make overly simple fighters, it never sticks. The closest to a success is something like samsho, which actually does have a load to learn and is deceptive about it. We also don't know how long it will last, everyone can see it will have some drop off post evo.
>You're that girl moving the N64 thumbstick with her thumb and index finger. This kind of person going into Granblue has a TON of things to learn, That type of person doesn't want to get good at games though, if they'll even pick up a fighter.
Gabriel Lopez
Relink will probably be 2021+ for it's release
Carson Bell
In dollaridoos or yen
Lincoln Nelson
No
Ethan Ross
cygames also pushes cog super hard who also happens to be far more popular than ferry But obviously they are going to make cog the first dlc character so people are going to buy the season pass just for her.
>mfw Relink will get delayed so long it becomes cross gen like Persona 5
Eli Brown
I know? That's not what I said.
Well Cygames should rethink their strategy because they keep pushing unpopular girls while the actually popular girls get scrapes. The only ones they're lucky on are the Society girls since those are actually popular.
>My main party in Granblue is Beatrix, Cagliostro and Vania >Didn't know that all three were top 10 popularity >Not a single one made it into the fighting game
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS ACTUAL HORSESHIT?
David Myers
Cygames is too busy pandering to their own staff rather than the players.
yeah but relink is a completely different game. this game is targeted at the people who play the original game. i was interested but i wasn't sure if i would buy because i'm not very competitive and i have a shit connection. having an actual rpg similar to the original game gives me actual content to be insterested in and a reason to buy the game.
Funny, since that is the reason they started to do console games, they could care less about getting players to buy their game since they have too much money. They just wanna play games for them.
Evan Rogers
*i mean that is a different genre not that it's different because it targets people who play the gacha
Ayden Peterson
Is that girl retarded?
Juan Price
Couldn't care less
Aiden Anderson
Not in her summer summon.
Charles Martinez
Didn't they say that they also want to make the franchise grow? But thus far have been failing to do so?
You know that they'll likely be following the main story, right?
I actually think that rpg mode looks neat. I can see myself playing with a friend online like I did with Ragnarok Battle Offline. Still 11 character rooster is pathetic and characters selected are rather underwhelming. No gun, no staff, no katana, no harp. The only top tier popular character is Percival and he is for fujos. What the flying fuck is this
The tie in will save it in Nipland just the anime and manga but it'll flop online and in the west.
Levi Rivera
The in-game bonuses are what is going to sell the game in Japan which is their main audience
Tyler Peterson
>just a gold bar and a shitty meme skin People really spend 60 bucks just for that?
Luis Nguyen
>ITT people pretending Ferry isn't popular among GBF players Just because she isn't a fan favorite in polls doesn't mean she isn't popular. If cygames actually put her in more events/story in GBF maybe she actually would win polls, but they just milk fans with skins and promo stuff instead. As for that's some incredibly small voting pool compared to how many even play the game, and if you somehow amass 13% of votes in presumably a poll you can only vote on one character (per gender) it's unlikely you'll vote for anyone but your absolute waifu and no characters have been pushed harder than Percy, Cagliostro and Vira has been as far as promotions and general fanservice by cygames goes.
Robert Long
I love Melty Blood but you gotta admit that 75% of the cast is an alternate version of the same character with loads of recycled sprite/design. This makes it much easier to bolster the roster number. The three Moon styles are fucking great though and I wish more games had that kind of feature.
I predict casuals will still eat it up based on this thread and the reactions I've seen everywhere else.
Ryan Myers
>they want to milk Draphs as DLC fuck outta here
Brandon Reed
In the west? Absolutely. Not in Japan though
Owen Mitchell
Why should I care about some dumb RPG mode when >I can just play the original game >I can play the ACTION RPG that's gonna come out This is just worthless to me. Just axe this stupid shit and make more characters/stages (and fix the fucking netcode)
Eli Torres
Yeah, I know. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking with the base roster. When the first character revealed outside of the game announcement is fucking lowain you have problems She'll be a stance character
Josiah Anderson
Percival is for yumes, not fujos. Lancelot is the fujo character (But he is also popular with yumes).
Considering you get codes for the mobile games, you'll have people buying multiple copies so I doubt it'll flop
Jace Jackson
I stand corrected, but still my point stands. There is one big hitter (who arguably was overshadowed by Luci and Sandy) and he is female centric pick. Which is fine and I like Perci, but it is something wrong when he is the only big name on the list.
Julian Rivera
Kek
Luis Diaz
Japan easy success. Rest of the world? Toss up, RPG mode might pull people in, but lack of brand recognition and characters hurt. SC6 also had big single player yet didn't blow up, though it also didn't have the amazing graphics.
Online? Can't see it lasting
Jaxson Diaz
I said SFV because it had 16 characters. SF4 has a massive roster for a launch game, so the similar characters are excused more easily because there's still plenty of variety.
Daniel Lee
You have no idea how valuable Gold Bars are.
Jaxson Lewis
Ferry didn't make it to the top ten in the other voting polls either though. That's just one I could find that wasn't in Japanese.
Adam Bailey
people spend hundred bucks just for a gold brick code in japan
Gavin Lewis
Hello is there a single fucking source for any of this or is OP a masterbaiter.
Manaria Friends anime went from shit tier sales to a top seller once the Granblue purchase bonuses were revealed
Asher Bell
The lesbians anime became top seller because of the free stuff, and that anime was mediocre at best
Lincoln Morgan
Not for any of the greentext OP posted, but the 11 character thing was confirmed on the summer stream
Cameron Jenkins
>rage of boomer character not getting in
>No jews who gives a fuck about nicholas LMAO
Elijah Morris
>If cygames actually put her in more events/story in GBF maybe she actually would win polls But plenty of the characters topping the poll don't get any event or story. Silva won the anniversary skin poll and she has two (2) versions, one (1) event and never appeared in the story.
Josiah Smith
Don't worry, the Tsukihime remake will never come out.
arcsys won't make money from that.forgive them from wanting to be more than just a cog in cygames gran plan
Liam Gray
I thought Socie was a GBF original?
Kayden Murphy
>Versus is gonna sell well just because of a meme brick >ASW sees this as being a massive success and drops guilty gear and blayzbloo completely, instantly start working on versus 2
I'm here to see pictures of potatos in compromising positions
Nathaniel Flores
sochie is only popular because she's stapled to yuel
Henry Gomez
Every result i get when i googled it said "7 characters confirmed with more to be released later" Thanks, but we still dont know who all 11 are, correct?
>tfw you want tsukihime remake but also you don't Fuck type-moon btw A new melty blood would legit be the better option but that's never going to happen
Liam Watson
Please no
Jacob Martin
They wont drop shit because no matter how many gatcha whales buy the game for a code, they wont be playing it for more than a week
Why do people still try to predict that a game won't bring in a fanbase and build its own scene? Stop making yourself look like a retard
Xavier Diaz
A sale is a sale, a sequel would be able to include another brick
Jaxson Perez
She's never topped any poll afaik because cygames doesn't push her in a way that makes people vote for her. Meanwhile say Vira has not only several skins (Ferry also has a lot of these) but also a lot of gacha versions, it was becoming a meme that there was a Vira every year in the game ontop of her skins. Her VA is also quite popular (Asami Imai). And similarly to Vira, Cagliostro is up there with probably the most skins and alts combined than any other character in the game but her VA is Sakura Tange so her popularity is practically guaranteed.
Josiah Williams
>but we still dont know who all 11 are, correct? Yes we do, their weapons are on the damn game logo since day 1
Joshua Cruz
I wish I got him instead of a gold moon
Bentley Reed
>but we still dont know who all 11 are, correct? Nothing was confirmed, but most likely It'll be the 10 characters whose weapons are on the logo + Ladiva.
>having logo characters as DLC yeah make it even more obvious that this DLC is just content cut from the game lmao
Cameron Hall
>No Apollonia >No Heles >No Tien >No Tweyen
I AM MAD MAD ABOUT VIDEO GAMES
Lucas Cooper
No way there's only 11, they're only showing 3 empty slots because there's still 3 characters that are part of the logo who have yet to be announced, they already said that there's a characters that is in that people would be really surprised to see in.
Caleb Bailey
That must be why Lyria tops all the polls... oh wait.
A character being pushed doesn't guarantee that they'll be popular look at Dokkan and Katarina compared with Silvia or Heles. Just because a character is heavily pushed it doesn't guarantee their popularity. Heck Ferry is pushed enough as is.
Joseph Wright
I bet the fans could make a better Tsukihime remake than type moon can
and it works. Obviously we're not going to get a massive wave right off the bat but this is the process of bringing in new players and you have to do it if you want to survive. Mori said he wanted to make Blazblue more accessible to new players and gg players hated him for it. I only found out about it through bb and now I buy every update at $60. So yea the pipeline works. This is good for gg in the long run.
Caleb Green
People complain about most popular characters not being included and you come in with literally who picks
Aiden Morris
Just play MUGEN. It's great to have your porn and your game together and interchangeable.
Aaron Phillips
All the original needs is an OST cleanuo + expansion, and background pics which are not photoshopped pictures. Yumizuka route can fuck off.
Zachary Reyes
the only eternal who would have a chance of getting in is siete
Xavier Harris
The fact that the game relied on a tie in for a sale means that there is no genuine interest in the game itself so the game's sales are tied directly with the gatcha's popularity. They have to pray that KMR and FKHR don't kill it.
Elijah Allen
Cases like this are rare even over long periods of time. Most start and stop at the game that got them in.
Joshua Reyes
post the pic, you know the one
Tyler Perez
They didn't say whether or not those characters would be DLC
>Game aimed at granblue fans >tiny ass roster with not even the most popular chars at the moment
fucking lmao
Bentley Cook
Still, it would be super weird for the roster to be that low especially since they are using this game as their fist foray in the western market for Granblue. I'm gonna hope that it's just a mistranslation of something like "There's 11 characters to be announced until launch and 5 will be announced as DLC", which would bring the base roster to 19 and 24 with DLC.
Jayden Brown
It's literally just two guys that draw 90 of that shit.
Everything Granblue they make is fucked because they always need to start from the beginning. We need gY blue shirt fighter Gran because he's the default starter. We need Kat because she showed up early. What we want is the Djeeta anime episode what we get is the shitty first anime
Luis Parker
What do the inner mechanisms of the potato look like?
People are harping on about the budget required for the story mode but let me remind you that Lowain uses FOUR (4) different character models despite being an unpopular pick.
>GBFV's launch roster only has 11 characters. >Release date was moved from 2019 to February 2020. >Already announced a Season pass with 5 characters. You've got to be retarded to support this crap.
granbluefantasy.jp/pages/?p=3853 Here's a popularity poll from before anyone had gazillion versions and skins so anything you have to say about pushing and bias is irrelevant.
>asian lockstep netcode fighting game i hope none of you are actually planning on purchasing this. fighting game netcode was solved 12~ years ago and you shouldn't support developers who refuse to keep up
Hunter Jenkins
A small roster of incredibly simplified characters IS bad though
Better than a dama bar and half a code for a gold bar. Other half being in relink.
Samuel Roberts
And the Djeeta episode was liked because it pandered to what people actually wanted. FHKR really is obsessed with the main story that's they keep telling it over and over again despite being constantly shown that no one cares and rejecting the anime staff's suggestion to fix it up.
Carson Watson
>lowain (+ 2 characters) >Yggy >katapillar >a bunch of random food Dizzy has a lot more going on in her animations though. It's just a fact that DLC is going to be more polished than the launch content.
Ian Wilson
And just with that it will sell. Maybe hard whales might buy a few games for these things.
Jacob Russell
I love Dizzys design
Blake Ortiz
I would've killed for Shiro or Yngwie being playable.
You better hope that it will be one item account tied, or else whales will buy 4 copies, each.
Aaron Roberts
I know, it was just to warn that user who seemed like he was thinking that you could get all of that per game bought.
Carter Turner
T7 had connection and server issues. The tick rate was a joke. Also DLC and updates took forever to come. Harada had to write a fucking essay as a apology on Twitter
Aaron Foster
Jokes on them, ill buy it 40 times
Justin Baker
Kimura-san better do Song, Zooey, Shiro, Yngwie and Jeanne playable for Relink.
Dylan Torres
Imagine looking at Cags pantsu in 5k when it comes out on PC and her DLC is out.
Potatos don't even taste good without a bunch of gravy and salt
Jaxon Butler
Lucky for you there aren't many to pick from
Jason Williams
Not much of a choice now
Robert Moore
Butter is the best thing with potatoes
Noah Kelly
Not that user but I unironically started to play Granblue 2 years ago due to Naru and other cowgirl doujins, at that time many artist and doujins were made and got my attention. Searching a bit of info I found it was a turn based RPG made by ex square staff with Nobuo uematsu music so I went all in.
The only characters I don't want to play are Gran, Katalina and Ferry desu.
Cameron Long
user understand, she was brainwashed.
Jeremiah Lee
I will main canon mc Gran and Ferry because its my couple. Then probably Ladiva for fun and Percival? but I wanted more girls as well. Katalina is dumb
Jose Price
What titcow? The series is knows for the human characters.
Jackson Green
Actually, it delayed the persona fighting game. GG is up in the air atm.