What went wrong?

>Forcing a meta (1-1-1-2)
>Items are just stat sticks
>Reworking Eve
>Games end in 20min these days
>No solo carry anymore, 1 retard can make sure you lose

Awful poison of a game

>implying Eve's rework is bad
i swear people complaining about reworks always have retarded opinions

the bad vfx are so toasters can run it. i dont mind this, but they have turned it into a game that only sells cosmetics but the game is ugly as fuck

I can tell you never played original Eve. Anyone who says the rework is good is blinded by her hot visual update. Her gameplay is completely different now, even restricted now since she had multiple ways to play before. ur dumb

Eve's lv1 stealth was retarded and unhealthy as fuck.

I still play, Pantheon looks pretty cool so that's hype, been killing nigs with morde lately

i ran her blue smite warrior with frozen mallet. good shit

>instead of just nerfing Flash and ranged ADCs they instead force the entire balance of the game around these things

The real problem is; it's optimized like shit, well like a chinese game. My friend always stutters with constant drops of frames to 20 or worst when it's machine has given him stable 40.

I can live without that, but I mainly want old W back and her build diversity. With old W you didn't need to run flash, ignite was fine. You were still extremely safe without flash and would always get first blood. It felt good to use properly since every other champ has a dash, it was nice.

She could go bruiser, AP, AD or even attack speed/on hit. Her old E was 2 auto attacks and gave her an AS steroid. In fact her AD build was her highest damage output build and pretty good against tank comps.

>it's optimized like shit

Wut, League is famous for running on toasters, even my shittiest laptop runs it at 40 fps at lowest settings. Seems like the problem is with your friend's laptop.

>framedrops in league of legends

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>League is famous for running on toasters
Exactly: runs; optimization is an entire different part of compatibility.

Camille, the sword leg girl?

imagine having shit taste

t. one of those 0,00001% players who mained some shit that no-one ever played and think their opinion matters
Get fucked no-one cares. At least she's hot now.

rude

I feel you, Riot has 1 by 1 reworked nearly every character that I really enjoyed, though they've added characters that I enjoy too, it's really frustrating that I can't play Old Poppy or Old Karma or Old Xerath even if those characters were stupid and not well designed.

There was nothing wrong with any of those characters designs. Poppy was maybe kind of questionable at best but there was zero reason to remove Karma/Xerath. Karma just needed range or power buffs and Xerath was mostly fine as he was.

I don't feel they were stupid personally aside from Poppy ultimate, just going by riot logic. I still can't believe they tossed out the interesting yin/yang dichotomy of Karma and the Armoured Assassin of Poppy, some of the actually interesting design and they go "nah karma just supports now and maybe does some damage" and "Poppy is now a tank because she wears armour"
The worst is Xerath, literally changed because he was unpopular and he is still unpopular. Turns out people don't like playing as a sarcophagus, not that having an ability that makes you have 10000 range is confusing.

Old Poppy was a "press R for relevancy" char with no real place on the map, she was shit top and shit in the jungle and couldn't go mid or bot, her numbers were fine her tuning was fine but getting her to the place where she could actually contribute positively to the match was basically impossible. Karma was just straight shit and bad at everything, but yeah there was no need to change Xerath. I think he just got hit early because, like nearly every mid mage, he was strong for a long time, only they just reworked him instead of nerfed him into the ground.

>Blocking movement
easily the worst part of the game.

>Karma was just straight shit and bad at everything

Because Riot adamantly refused to buff her. All she needed was mana+range but Riot didn't like the idea of a low hp baiting support so they changed her to what she is now.

while new urgot is cool, i miss my old boy. deathfire touch keystone, with black cleaver, frozen heart, and IBG was peak top lane destruction

>it's really frustrating that I can't play Old Poppy
She's got the same thing, except without the bullshit ult and q. the only legit bad reworks have been Ryze's, because they don't know how to keep him from being 1v9 in proplay keeping him the way they do.

nunu aside from the visuals
ryze 3 was bad
taric is more unhealthy now than when he was a top lane pub stomper

I will give them sion though. as cool as the old one was, the sion rework is a great character

She isn't the same at all, she used to play like an assassin. Now she is a protector tank. She used to get to late game and one shot fools, and early game pulverise people who mistook her inability to lane well to mean "she does no damage". Now you get to late game and protect your carries and maybe get a pick because of your speed and spammable wall stun.

90% of the problems with league stem from riot doing nothing to stop ranged from being inherently better than melee and flash existing. Everything has been band-aids slapped on those 2 core issues

Give me back mage sion

Mordes 2 reworks are both trash, essentially different characters now, even if they are individually fun. No longer does morde find some poor fool by himself and remove him from existence with 3 abilities, he's now a slow heavy bruiser who hits hard but takes a long time to ramp up.

and that's stupid, you degenerate. Going "the only person who can hurt me is the support who spent her entire cash wad on ward" while deleting the carries with her trinity force powered q auto attack resets was stupid.

nunu is honestly better now. Q isn't worthless, i do miss blood boil but now he's got a better engage than blood boiling and walking up to people out of the fog. Taric is unhealthy in like, bronze. Where people can't quite dodge skillshots or easily telegraphed stuns like tarics.

>it's optimized like shit
The only thing that's optimized poorly is assets acquisition when the game loads up. It's why you'll randomly drop 10+ frames, or even get a split-second freeze when a champ uses a spell that hasn't been on your screen yet.

taric is unhealthy in diamond and up, where he abuses ardent censor on whatever flavor of the month basic attacker you want

I'm not saying it wasn't stupid, I'm saying it isn't at all like it used to be. They could've made her a melee carry, but instead they made her a tank.

She's been nerfed, and barely anyone plays her anymore. Way too many bad matchups in her best lane.

her in the jungle is why they ruined tiamat. fuck that champion, my favorite item costs way too much now

adc is the hardest role why should they be nerfed?

he literally takes one guy out of any fight for seven seconds. he does a fuck ton of damage, and now he can force people to fight him, the first rework was shit, though.

the fact you think old Sion was "cool" just shows how worthless your opinion was. His only viable playstyle was to full clear with shield and mobi roam. He had two abilities, and two placeholders. He was by far the shittiest design Riot put out.

he was either a crit lord with his ult or an ap nuke. nowadays everyone is forced into a single playstyle because they want to control the stupid esports shit

The Original morde didn't need to take people out of a fight for 7 seconds or force people to fight him. He was such a threat against singular targets that he could just obliterate them with QRE. He was a burster, Morde now is a high damage slow tanky bruiser with ramp up. His passive, his ultimate, his pull and his shield all emphasis long engagements, whereas Old Morde was nearly all Burst.
I'm not saying that nu morde isn't fun, I've warmed up to it, and it's enjoyable. But like many of their reworks, it's not the same experience.

>I need to be spoonfed how to play each character in the video game

the biggest issue is the character identity. they only have one metal themed ability name, i think it was an accident. the people redesigning a character dont even know who the character is, yet feel like they can just erase it for something generic

A lot of low elo players failed to respect old morde's to respect his damage and end up feeding him cause of it. So they had to remove his burst because of complaints.

I'd say China and Asia becoming 90% of the effective playerbase killed it for westerners.

the things that are put in the game are no longer suited to NA taste and are moreso made for Eastern players. I really REALLY dislike how blatantly untrying Riot is nowadays

>wuxia skins,Lunar revel ,bloodmoon and Kpop bullshit all eastern inspired. whens the last time we got like a Gaelic or Kara-Boga skin? fucking never. they only care about chink culture and WEEB pandering w shit like Battle Acedemia/Star Guardian and edgy PROJECT nonsense.
>yoink auto chess and LOOTBOXES LOOTBOXES LOOTBOXES
>skins team suck. splash are always 1000x better than ingame model. special effects on skin are always rehashed assets w VOfilters.
>mindbogglingly terribad decisions like removing gamemodes (RIP Twisted Treeline) instead of just having ALL gamemodes be playable as custom games updating them be damned. give me back Ascension,Dominion and Blitz you fucking niggers.
>instead of remastering the game from scratch with thier gorillions of dorrars and 10 years of relevancy they instead continue building on the jenga tower of the original dogshit code and EACH FUCKING PATCH is met with 20 bugs and client problems that make you want to smash your monitor in frustration
>Esports balancing and balancing around people dumbfuck metaslaves that are good a playing the game but pisspoor at actually understanding the game. at this point unironically just make proplayers play on special patches rather than put the other 98% of the community through thier bullshit.
>reworks take a goddamn eternity. by the time the other 15 champs in need of VGU's get done the game will have died or be in maintenance mode. some champs dont need VGU's but sometimes just visual updates,VO updates or Gameplay updates. for some reason these take a eternity to address.

I fucking hate Riot. they've gotten so big nothing gets done anymore and the game suffers for it.

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>say a word
>5 years of your life stolen

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>i press 3 buttons and you die if i get fed enough
>or if you were so retarded to let the morde with the rylais walk close enough to hit you with anything so he could then walk close enough to land his third q and delete you.

Look, boo hoo they took away your burst and gave you a someone who wasn't just a stat check.

He was either fucking useless, or an AP nuke cheese who fell off a cliff. Crit Sion was literally never even close to viable or good. It was always a garbage off build that was never justified. AP Nuke Sion literally had like two patches of relevance where you literally didn't interact with your opponent in mid at all, just cleared and roamed constantly so you could QW the enemy top laner over and over. After that he was basically unplayed. Stop trying to defend that trash.

There are at least a dozen alternative playstyles that are significantly more viable than AD Sion ever was, right now.

yeah, stat checks are only ok on ranged female characters. infact lets give kaisa and vayne a few more skins this year

hey now, we don't want people to die for being out of position. That's toxic gameplay

>character is terrible in one build, borderline unplayable at any rank not populated by drooling imbeciles
>other build is a braindead roam cheese that requires no skill or execution to pull off

Yes, not liking a champion design thats two different champions poorly smushed together who's only viable playstyle uses only two of his four abilities and only worked up to 1700 Elo for the brief period it was FOTM is "I need to be spoonfed."

Except it's the same shit, if Morde hits you with his E or his passive is up and he walks near you while he has Rylais, it's just a pure stat check at that point, you can't escape since his passive gives him movement speed, all of his abilities slow you, not to mention he can literally lock you in another realm where you physically cannot escape.
They took away the character that I enjoyed and replaced it, I enjoy the replacement, but it's not the same character that I enjoyed. He doesn't make silly jokes, there are nearly no heavy metal references.

They removed YOU ONLY NEED TO CLICK ONCE, FOOL!

dude is assblasted to hell that arnold schwarzenegger point and clicked him 5 years ago

My friend got permabanned on several accounts and lost hundreds of dollars because he'd bitch out feeders in his games. Not even racial slurs or anything, just cussing at a teammates who are feeding heavily in ranked. That counted as toxic enough to permaban him several times. Last acc he got banned on he didn't even cuss at the guy, just went all caps to someone who was 1 kill and 14 deaths at 20 mins "STOP FEEDING YOU ABSOLUTE TRASHCAN! YOU ARE MAKING US LOSE AND I AM IN PROMOS!".

Fuck Riot. I never got an account permabanned, but that's because I mostly stay silent because I know what happens to people who want to use the textbox to speak their mind. I am glad Riot is failing more and more year by year. Let them die before they become a too big to fail sort of company.

I feel sorry for the guy. It's obvious that matchmaking is designed to give you bad players at some point while climbing, so you don't climb too quickly.

I haven't played the game in years, but at the time there were quite a load of things I thought sucked.

1. Buying champions - I understand that they need to make money somehow and that you can buy every single one without paying and it helps against smurfs, but not having access to everyone at all times just sucks, especially when you're starting. For most casuals it's probably fine, but it personally rubbed me the wrong way.

2. The stale laning setups - While I'm almost sure that there were some exceptions, the league has largely been always played as 1-1-1-2 and every deviation seemed to have been deemed by Riot as undesireable.

3. Runes and masteries - I thought they really sucked. Sure there's the obvious complaint about having to play quite a bit to get a decent amount of runes, but there's way more. In game where at least one player is supposed to be basically playing PvE (jungle), locking champion's base power behind playtime seems stupid and needlessly restrictive. Not to mention that at least to me it didn't even feel like it's that strategic or customizeable as in the pubs you didn't even have much of a chance to adjust your build.

4. Meh items - I guess it's just me, but the items in league felt generally rather low impact with little to none having any active abilities, which I felt was a bit of a shame.

5. AP/AD being kind of the same thing - The way it's set up AP is almost the same as AD in way it works/scales and interacts with defences, which I find kind of bering in design for it being such a big part of how the game works.

6. Game's shitty code - Not sure what's the state now, but things like spectating, replays and any sort of sandbox mode were just not available. Not to mention that the whole client felt really clunky.

7. Riot seems like a shit company - Doesn't really impact the game directly, but reading their comments about burden of knowledge or knowing half of the heroes might've been ripped off is pretty awful.

Mobility creep and a significant focus on "lmao epic outplay xd" champions.

League was fun as fuck when you had a few champions that you could express a lot of skill on, and a lot of champions that didn't have sixteen dashes, a damage reduction window, an execute, a teleport and self healing.

Illaoi was peak LoL champion design. Straightforwards, fight her in lane or pick a ranged champion. Then they rework akali into having resettable invis, 4 dashes, healing, stuns and an execute.

Their approach to pantheon is god tier though. Giving him options to play as a skirmisher in team fights without taking away his early game hard bully tactics.

pantheon is why im quitting. main since i started, and was playable in 4 of 5 roles. never liked another champ as much as him, so im done with it

Is my boy Nocturne any good or is he shit? Havent played since like 2013.

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He is nowhere near the one shot wonder he was.

Gay. He wasn't great after he got nerfed but he was my favorite jungler and I loved wrecking people with him.

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his ult lasts 7 seconds now, and le epic one shotz meta has been kinder to him than season 4/5/6 were

Personally, I hate how it is nearly impossible to solo carry nowadays. Back in my prime as an assassin/burst mage main I could carry my dumpster fire team by myself just through smart plays, farming efficiently, and making use of my gold to snowball out of control. Nowadays they made it impossible to snowball, especially on most tanky chars. I miss old LoL. New LoL is so boring and you are forced to rely on the trashcans you get matched with, giving you less of a chance to win off your own skill and more chance for the randos you are with to go full retard and give the game to the enemy.

I don't know where League went wrong but it did get one thing right. Pic related.

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>90% of her porn has her getting SLIMED
its not fair bros why does this autist have so much power

>reworked Gangplank
>reworked Galio because he had a low playrate and now he has an even lower playrate than before the rework
>removed DFG
>removed Zephyr
>continue to let CertainlyT design champions
>balance team is clinically retarded
>plants
>removing TT
>adding TFT
>teemo being shit to play against has become a meme so it's never getting fixed
>rework stealth only to make it even more annoying, continue to add characters who break stealth rules and are absolute cancer when let ahead
>can't say nigger in chat
>surrender vote stays on screen even after two people say no
>RNG crits
>RNG dragons
>RNG teammates
>if it's your first time doing ranked promos you are literally forced into iron, you cannot place higher than iron on a fresh account (this may have been changed, not sure)
The game is shit and the devs are idiots.

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>illaoi was peak champion design
if you remove her E, sure.

placed gold III, so that must have been fixed

Nothing since the game is still printing money for them (mainly by skins and reworks since absolutely no one cared about qiyana)

But yeah, balancing has been shit lately and most of the reworked champions had problems because of Riot giving them fucking LOADED kits with like 3 million different dashes and leaps and cancels and "OMG everyone needs to OUTPLAY eachother xD" while other champs like Garen are literally "Press Q>E>Ignite and keep close to win the fight, R to win faster"
Hopefully the Pantheon rework isn't too fucked, I actually like the simplicity of the champion so far and the new stuff they are putting in doesn't look that more complicated, especially compared to shit like new Aatrox or new Akali or new Irelia
Also it's pretty good that Riot themselves are going "well wait a minute this champ is fucked" and actually removing mechanics or stuff from those overloaded kits, like moving the Sylas shield to "ok only magic damage" (and they are going to delete the shield eventually, quote me on that) or removing shit from Yuumi's kit like the 3 million percent health regained while going AFK the entire match

gamer

everything

Forced metas, powercreep, incredibly short term monitary goals and an unbelievably pretentious staff

They still refuse to learn from shit like the Ardent meta and refuse to admit any wrong. CertainlyT is slowly killing the game and needs to be called out for it. You can't tell me he doesn't have balance influence when both Irelia and Akali where reworked in such a powerful, overtuned state that both of them have had quintessential parts of their kits outright deleted from the game.

Alt game modes and events are dead because the companu doesn't want to put in the effort of patching Twistes Treeline more than once a year. They would rather monetize TfT before the mode is even ranked ready.

And if theu ever do fail It's going to be hilarious. They REEK of the same stench as bioware, where their unsustainable conduct is literally viewed as integral to the point where they literally wonder where the magic went once it all comes crumbling down

The game is the most snowbally I've ever seen it, but only for the golden few champs Riot keeps soloQ viable.

So zero tanks, most bruisers, a couple assasins, 3 bot laners, some mages, and a number of "MASSIVE OUTPLAY" junglers.

Solo Q lanes are comprised of maybe 10 viable champs per lane, with top and mod sharing some flex picks while both ADC and Support share that pool of 10. It's fucking unreal how long it's been since I've seen Maokai

thank conqueror in all of it's many forms for kicking tanks out. i stopped playing malphite when i was losing 1v1s to fucking yasuos while i had IBG and thornmail

God that fucking rune. I completely believe the rumor that Riot doesn't have any Top laners on it's balance team, it's unbelievable to suggest that people who balance a game for a living could play vs. Irelia's lvl 2 with stacked conqueror and think it's balanced

I ain't got time or energy to deal with meta shit and the absolute shitter comunity with its players having mental meltdowns everytime they lose, I just play a few arams a day, everyone's more chill when playing aram, I get a few good plays, good laughs, and be done with it. No sane person should take this game seriously unless they earn good money from it.

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if you had max'ed E you shouldnt have lost.

attack speed reduction is the biggest possible counter to Yas as ALL of his DPS is based off his AS.
A hard counter build I go is just lethal tempo Malph. when he tries to manfight you each time you just smack him to death.
rush a thornmail,Sunfire and finish up Frozen Heart.

the stacking of anti-AS aura's makes you untouchable for any AA based champ like Irelia,Yas,noc ect

>forced meta
100%
>blocking movement
doesnt actually bother me in Smite

>blocking movement
What are you talking about? LoL doesn't have body blocking like Dota does.

I should've just done this and also only get on when my friends are on to fuck around in norms. Instead I uninstalled the game after I got fucked by a Darius in my first time in ranked and the whole team flamed me for feeding my ass off. If i ever do go back I won't touch ranked ever again

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>allchat "I want to suck gnar's foreskin"
>don't get banned
LoLbabs??

Also after reading the first post again, I realize I come off as one of the aforementioned "players having mental meltdowns everytime they lose", but I never type in chat, not even in that situation. I should've muted and done my own thing in hindsight. Ranked is too stressful

Riot was always chinck

You don't need to supress your feelings at online games my man, you just need to vent them off in chat in a clever way so that you never get banned. That's what I do, even in something as silly as aram I get people with shit attitude and if the trash talk me I obviously talk back, just in a way that does not constitute a ban, not even a warning. You must do it in a way that is mean but chill, and belive me, when they notice you don't break a sweat over an online argument it gets people even mad to the point when they break and start shitting even harder, making it funny.
I do agree with you on ranked, that's why I've never played ranked in my entire life.

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ADCs are literally the least contributing factor to your team winning or losing of all the roles at the moment. Jungle makes the plays that win with assistance from mid roaming, support decides which ADC gets fed enough to be decent while controlling teamfights lategame, top applies splitpush pressure.

ADCs right now are literally walking bait sandbags who have a chance of getting fed if their support is better than the enemy's.

>>mindbogglingly terribad decisions like removing gamemodes (RIP Twisted Treeline) instead of just having ALL gamemodes be playable as custom games updating them be damned. give me back Ascension,Dominion and Blitz you fucking niggers.

Twisted treeline was utter shit, only made to pissed people off. But true about Nexus Blitz; that was the only good thing it had... so they had to take it and replace it with a bootleg chess for low IQ people.

TFT really does seem like it's made for brainlets. I'm almost certain literally anybody can get to challenger if they just play non stop.

You're right user, I gotta do something to vent if I'm ever in a situation like that again, getting tilted is always my catalyst to start playing like a drooling retard. Gotta practice and polish my shit talking skills to punch back because the community has always been shit and will continue to be shit.

They decided to turn game into "Muh dynamic flashy gameplay" and "Muh E-sports epic moments" to pander to "Muh underrage audience" like after season 2.

And so they fucked up balance, forced meta, killed this game's soul.

Some reworks (Like poppy, yorick, sio) were actually reasonable because these characters were not able to mechanicaly do something in current meta.

But some reworks i dont fucking understand (Best example is shen, pre rework shen was really a very good toplane tank and can navigate around current meta easily, i mained him and he was nice but rework made him souless.)
Of course Dota 2 also had changes but compared to LoL Dota 2 is still balanced and pretty decent and if someone didnt played Dota 2 for long time, he will learn to navigate around changes easily.

>muh

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Yeah, Boko ARAM is the less shit thing about the game. Just got 2 chest in arow myself.

Low base movement speed. And then RIOT fucking up even more by adding characters that cheats that rule in broken ways.

Im a gold player, not any better and i realize that. yorick worked wonders for me, and i miss that champ every time I queue up top

minion block. which isn't necessarily an issue in itself, but it's so inconsistent that there is zero way to tell if something will or won't block you until it happens or your champ paths in a retarded direction for seemingly no reason.

>it gets people even mad to the point when they break and start shitting even harder, making it funny.
It really is, I do it myself specially if they go full ranked cancer in chat.

Wasn't it always like that?

Now this is a thread I can get invested in. League went to shit because of total dogshit management and the inability for Riot to understand that the playerbases discontent was with THEM not with the fact that some champions were old. In fact lets take Kai'sa as an example, that champion is such an insult to visual design it actually hurts me that she is so fucking popular, they had to rework entire boutes of lore just to fit her in and to this day she is hands down easily the most insulting addition to the game from a gameplay standpoint (Lol she wasn't seeing play so just give her fuckoff huge ratios and no shit she will be played now) and from a design standpoint that only the most thirsty of neckbeard autists would think she is in anyway a strong design.

From there it has been even more downhill to Neeko who they did the exact same bullshit (Lol not seeing play as a mage just give her fuckoff huge ratios) and now Qiyana who is probably the blandest character ever added to the game and her abilities lack so much visual clarity that I think it must be part of her power budget that you visually can't tell what that champion is ever fucking doing unless you have a fucking announcer telling you which fucking dash on her kit is used, why the fact that an ability that totally missed you still hit. Why her ult has a knockback on it as well as a fuckoff huge execute for no reason.

But I could forgive ALL their total dogshit modern design if they didn't remove shit that I was currently playing to replace it with boring shit. Shen, Swain, Aatrox, Vladimir, Eve just a handful of examples of characters that I straight up can't play anymore. I don't have the option the character I was playing before is gone. So now you have a bunch of new powercrept characters running around with a handful of garbage reworks, OR the reworks make them so fucking broken that people think its suddenly good design even if they removed every single aspect of the original character.

Old, old taric ult would crash high end computers

They 'improved' minion hitboxes around season 1 so that champs like blitzcrank and morgana could no longer thread the needle between minion lines to hit champions behind them as part of their massive nerf to double tank kill lanes in order to help create the current meta. One of the results of this is that the minion hitboxes expand out about 30 units from the actual minion at the sides, which leads to completely wonky pathing when you are trying to move through minions as they are trying to turn. This has never been completely fixed, and at this point I am almost certain that the people trying to fix pathing do not actually know what broke it.

Collision hitboxes are not the same as ability hitboxes, this makes no sense at all.

aatrox, urgot, and yorick hurt me the most. i cant even count the amount of 20 minute barons i took as aatrox with just a rageblade and vamp scepter

I understand why they did some of the reworks, Poppy, Yorick (who I also enjoyed before the rework and don't really like new yorick but whatever), Karma (though I still think they could've just changed her W and given her some buffs and she would've been a niche mid lane mage/support), Sion. They needed to be changed. But with some of the reworks, they took the soul away from the character and replaced it, Poppy isn't an Assassin anymore, Karmas theme isn't shown in her kit at all, Yorick was degenerate but his lane sustain and pure bully was fun.
It's the removal of soul that I dislike, the people who reworked those characters felt like they probably didn't play them, they didn't know why people enjoyed them despite them being shit.

What I am referring to is physically weaving your champion between the melee minions, which was removed because for champions like blitzcrank and morgana it gave too much power to lane control of where the waves crashed. You could previously walk behind your melees to dodge an Ez Q and then walk through both sets of minions to line up a hook, and they changed it so that you have to path around instead of between.

yorick was so much god damned fun. tear, trinity, frozen heart was all he needed to splitpush all day

user, you could post that you're obsessed with shit, slather your walls in shit, eat shit for breakfast, lunch and dinner, light shit scented candles and dip packets of diarrhea in your tea. As long as you post Dorothy with it, you have good taste.

And people underestimated how hard he hit so much, you could slow them, rush them, beat the ever loving shit out of them with the DR from ghouls and the damage bonus from Ghouls, it was absurd.

Why do you only hate the new female champs? It seems like this is an underlying issue you have with women in general user.

On the contrary faggot, Sylas is just as fucking bland as well. Older female champs weren't bad Jinx was a good design and Quinn was quite nice as well even Illaoi was a visually strong character. These new champs are NOTHING but fucking bait for degenerate weebs who think because a character makes their dick hard it constitutes as good design.

quinn is painfully forgettable. ill give you those other ones, but i mean come on. quinn?

nice game lolbabs

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>40 mins in, Elder dragon, Full build from way back Q shot instakills tank

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Every single one of these retards played garbage tier champs in their ranked games and lost games for their teams because they wanted to play the "uNiQuE cHaMp ThAt No OnE plAyEd". I would say 95% of the reworks have been either straight improvements or at least so garbage that nobody in their right mind plays the champ anymore. Shit like Urgot, old Aatrox (literally just stats: the champ), Poppy, Yorick, etc were never good champions and some of them were only mildly fun when they were fucking busted. These champs got reworked because they had literal sub 1% play rates and sub 50% (sub 40% in aatrox's case) winrates. Some reworks are still bad champions, but that's only because riot desperately tries to cling to the mentality of champion identity for no fucking reason.

You're an idiot Tiamat is probably the most broken item in the game rn.

>reworking characters into basically new characters instead of using those ideas into a completely new character
Why they do this?
New Sion could have been a completely different character from Old Sion. Same goes for Morde.

Sylas at least has the thing of being a prison escapee. Lots of the old champs have personalities that are pretty toned down: Sona, Janna, Ashe etc. I think with Kaisa they were going for more of a "normal girl who got trapped and escaped" vibe to make her relatable, whereas someone like Jinx isn't meant to be relatable at all. Her personality is explosive to match her playstyle.
>These new champs are NOTHING but fucking bait for degenerate weebs who think because a character makes their dick hard it constitutes as good design.
Again I go back to the examples of Janna and Sona, add champs like Nidalee and MF. The game has always thrived on sex appeal. It's unfair to only add this as a criticism for new champion releases.

Your whole opinion is literally a case of
>OLD GOOD NEW BAD
Maybe try looking at things critically rather than sinking into the Yea Forums hivemind.

Why add new characters if old characters are not seeing any play and are a hindrance on player enjoyment ?

>not seeing any play and are a hindrance on player enjoyment
This is your brain on riot design

Riot is the embodiment of "no fun allowed".

It was designed for women

Your argument falls apart when I never claimed that Nidalee or MF to be good design, in fact MF is just as fucking bad but want to know the difference between those champs and modern champs? Those champs were made almost fucking 6-8 years ago by a tiny team of literally sweaty autists. Modern champs have huge teams of people hired on to create them on the payroll and they haven't gotten better, in fact you could argue they have gone backwards.

>LoLbabby thinking he has good taste
lmao

You are fucking stupid. There is no defending the kind of "reworking" they do.

What would your ideal champion release be? What would you do differently that Riot isn't doing right now?

>Patches dictate the meta so much that its not fun as fuck
>New champs being unbalance-able
>Damage being all over the place
>Stale as fuck item builds
>Anything that isn't meta, gets nerfed to oblivion because Riot doesn't want anything that goes off of what they want
>Same map, same gimmicks
>Minion block but doesn't have delaying minions mechanic
>Minion aggro is bullshit, some champs don't cause minion aggro even tho they are attacking a champ in their face
>BUGS every fucking where
>The client is shit too and buggy.
Thank fucking god I quit this game after hitting master-tier. It's just too stressful to play.

Pay me the salary they get and I'll tell you.

Not him and I know you're memeing but it's actually weird how vastly lower quality recent female champs are compared to recent male ones. The last interesting female character was Illaoi, FOUR FUCKING YEARS AGO. Maybe you could stretch it to count Evelynn but that doesn't really count because they just had to not fuck up her already extant personality rather than make one from scratch with their own ideas.
They genuinely just aren't as good at making female characters as they are male ones. I'd give them the waifubait pass and even the husbando bait pass for Sylas but the true best girl, Orianna, has received no support in this regard. And also the pass doesn't exist because waifubait does not preclude good writing in the slightest and definitely not design as bad as most of them.

I lost my point because I'm sleepy but think of it like this. Each champion has two to three slots for character traits.
Jhin
>Intelligent
>Nihilistic
>Wicked sense of humor
but to Riot "Female" is a character trait.
Xayah
>Quippy
>uhhhhhhhhh
>Female
This is why Qiyanna is so forgettable, because "black" is also a character trait.
Qihanda
>Smug
>Female
>Black
Compare the best girl in the game, Orianna
Orianna
>Cute
>Perfect
>Excellent wife
Full of personality. Good night fellow gamers.

I see you are unenlightened. How can I tell a fish it's in the ocean? You don't because the fish is a fag with alternative motives that wants to steer things towards his particular pain point, his personal land mine and then...I dunno farm angry replies? If you were a man of culture you would look at my first post and nod to yourself. However, you are not so I have no business with you.

I haven't been playing long but I've noticed one thing. Assassins are fucking busted.
>play adc
>get dumpstered in lane by the enemy draven and blitz
>eventually draven has 15 kills
>our yasuo and blue kayn still just teleport onto and delete him in 1.5 seconds
>they shut him down again and again just by mashing the keyboard with their face
Assassins make this game into a joke.

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DotA is even more imbalanced then League, it only comes out slightly ahead because everything is imbalanaced fucking cancer to play against.

Exactly, you don't know. Retard shitheads like you on this board love to criticize everything but when it comes down to it you have no idea what would constitute improving the game. You just think you know more than people whose job it is to look into all this stuff and like to cry online to satisfy your complex.

>DotA is even more imbalanced then League
Objectively wrong, proven false by pick/ban rates in TI vs Worlds.

Will you ever come back with an actual argument or will it all be baseless projection? Modern League is dogshit and everyone with even a basic sense of taste will tell you it's dogshit.

lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/diamond/plus/champion/Taric/Support/

???

>old characters are not seeing any play
Not true. Also if they don't see any play, why not leave them be? No harm done.
>hindrance on player enjoyment
Not true.Also how a character not being played can somehow hinder player enjoyment?

You are just plain wrong. Saying "avoid clutter" is probably more accurate a reason and even then still wrong because the roster is long and half of it sees no play anyways.

>built on an old engine that cant even handle verticality, good hitbox detection, fast loading times or 360 degree smooth movement
>forced meta, if you dont play muh esports meta shit you'll get fucked by people that do
>cant run away with a lead, huge xp gains for players that are behind
>comeback mechanics are not based on skill or determination, meaning that comebacks are a norm and not a rare exception (baron throws, one person getting caught, splitpushing like a retard etc.)
>cant deny creeps or towers, means that anyone can get farm and you cant really abuse the fact you're better (0-11 jinx can still pentakill your team 30 minutes into the game with no huge issues)
>1 person being a retard can easily lose you the game, very difficult to solo carry unless you're ridiculously ahead/several leagues better than your opponents
>item builds give you basically no freedom if you want to follow the aforementioned meta shit (ludens + morello, IE + crit item, black cleaver + tank stat items etc. etc.)
>runes are gimped and not very interesting
>game has one of the worst progression systems that was arguably made even worse with the introduction of blue essence shit that you need to get in lootboxes to even have a chance to buy someone/upgrade mastery badges
>seasonal events are shit and the passes for those events are also very shit, offering just a few extra missions and rewards that nobody cares about
>some gamemodes are just left behind in the dust and never updated
>most people playing the game adopted a retarded streamer mentality where games are forfeited at 15 mins (go next, open mid) even if you're only slightly behind (despite that fact that comebacks are piss easy...go figure)

I honestly could go on, but you get the point..game is shit and its getting worse and worse every season

poppy is fine currently.

Mundo rework when? Too boring.

shit like this is why i dislike the game now. i know this post is ironic, but the mentality here is why champs get deleted and replaced with same names

You calling my argument a baseless assumption is a baseless assumption. Get some self awareness. You've yet to sufficiently explain why modern League is dogshit compared to old League with anything beyond
>urr new champ designs bad old champ designs good. guys do i fit in now?

Remove early game and League is perfect.

They did that with Nexus Blitz and they shitcanned it because it was taking players away from Summoner's Rift.

Mundo has always been either completely useless or cancer tier with no inbetween, similar to old Yorick. He needs a rework, just like all the old champions that were basically unbalanceable.

I'm serious though. He's boring as hell.

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>people don't enjoy killing literal NPCs for 10-20 minutes before the game starts
Who woulda thunk. Good job, riot.

nothing hindered my enjoyment more than things that were never played in my games, just reworking them into OP pick or ban 1v9ers upped my enjoyment so much

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Old Eve had a 52% winrate and 3% pickrate.

Every single champion that was reworked had sub-1% playrates for literally years unless they were completely busted cheese picks (ala Aaatrox whenever rageblade was overpowered)

so dont pick him, it is literally that easy. there isnt a reason to remove a champion just because some dude who doesnt play him thinks it is boring

>pro play

So?

This
All the "reworks" are just new characters plus deleting a character from the game, why not just make a new fucking character?

Assassins are busted to low ELO scrubs who don't understand macro. The higher up the ELOs you go the worst they perform- in professional play the only two assassins that see regular play are Akali and Leblanc.

There is a reason to rework him when he has no way of fitting into the game and seeing play unless they buff him to broken levels.

woah you mean... assassins assasinate people???? holy SHIT user you're right they're fuckin BROKEN
carries get raped by assassins when they get out-positioned or have shit positioning; if your team is peeling properly or you just stand inside/behind them then assassins can't get to you. they're designed that way. gitgud retard

he is an aram champ. summoners rift isnt the only map

I've noticed there are many ADCs in gold and plat who are good at laning and winning lane but then complete garbage outside of lane with no idea how to position properly and teamfight or control waves.

>Not true. Also if they don't see any play, why not leave them be? No harm done.
Because they want fucking money and it's a win-win for them 90% of the time. Irelia went from being one of the most niche heroes to the game to Yasuo-tier popularity and seels a bajillion skins to weebs per year. Aatrox went from hovering around 1% playrate for his entire existence to maintaining a 10% playrate even when bad which, again, results in more skin sales. Same with Akali.

You people try to rationalize leaving old shit champs alone, not acknowledging the fact that literally the ONLY people who get dicked by VGUs are the small handful of autists who mained the champ before they were reworked.

>he is an aram champ
Good one.

akali was popular before, and arguably cheesier in low elos than the new one

>Irelia went from being one of the most niche heroes to the game to Yasuo-tier popularity and seels a bajillion skins to weebs per year.
And that also would have happened if they just made her a new champion instead of deleting Irelia.

>Aatrox went from hovering around 1% playrate for his entire existence to maintaining a 10% playrate even when bad which, again, results in more skin sales.
And that also would have happened if they just made her a new champion instead of deleting Aatrox.

>Same with Akali.
And that also would have happened if they just made her a new champion instead of deleting Akali.
What are you not understanding here?

there are loads of champions that are only good on that map, and unlike treeline it has a playerbase. Xerath is fucking shit on summoners rift but he is amazing on aram. mundo is the smae way there, he gets to start with a spectres cowl, so he skips the awkward phase

I don't see how anyone could prefer old akali to new. The old one was completely one dimensional to play: go in get your combo off and hope your shroud lets you escape or you have enough charges to ult out. The new one actually reflects what she was designed to be and has actual outplay potential.

They raped the whole fucking team. Shit game.

>Focus on e-sports
>Not being in touch with the community
>Cringy "hip with the kids" style of communication
>Tencent

Xerath is decent and playable on Summoner's Rift even as a support. Mundo on the other hand is basically unplayable on it and anyone who picks him is inting. The champion needs a rework when it can't even fit into the main game mode of the game.

You mean new Akali is just overloaded as fuck and can beat basically everyone in the game if played? Why should Akali players be allowed to have zero bad matchups just because they play her a lot. Riven is just as bad but even fucking shit players can use Riven because she is purposely kept overtuned because Riven players throw the biggest shitfits whenever she gets slightly nerfed.

>Because they want fucking money
That they would get by releasing those reworks as new heroes.
Literally no reason to rework old champs instead of creating new ones.

outplay potential isnt as fun as guaranteed kills to me. personally i dont like either version of her, but i remember way more rage towards the old version point and click ass raping people than the new one

imagine defending assassin niggers being able to jump into 5 people and easily kill 1 or 2 before dying
>inb4 m-muh high elo!
nobody cares about win trading niggers

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you are trolling if you pick xerath as a support, brand is borderline.

>akali was popular before
And yet, not even close to how popular she was post-rework, playrate statistics prove it. Every single champion CertainlyT has made has skyrocketed to the top of game popularity. >w-why didn't they just leave X champ in the game and make a new one!?
Because their designs were fucking garbage and when they're bad having them on the team ruins them for the other players and when they're good they're busted they're awful to play against.

Why are you okay with shit being left in a game that doesn't meet the standards of the playerbase OR the developers?

retard, see above

And yet a support Xerath can still do well or decent while providing his team with poke and cc. Mundo on the other hand is a glorified cannon minion, super at best.

where lmao Im playing rn

urgot's old design was fucking 10/10, faggots just bitched that he made them watch their step in lane or they would eat 5 acid hunters. old champs get removed when mouthbreathers complain on the boards because they dont want to git gud

Nobody liked old urgot other than trolls. He was gross and boring to play.

>d-dude those old champs were fine the p-playerbase was just bad!
Nah. Post your profile bitch, I'd love to see what ELO you peaked at

>all these COPE replies
old urgot was god tier
nobody plays him still now he's just an edgy bane ripoff written by a 15 year old

>Why are you okay with shit being left in a game
"EXCUSE ME SIR I DON'T WANT THIS CONTENT GET RID OF IT NOW"

Spammy mana tank Ryze was fantastic. Overpowered, but very well designed and fun.

Regarding reworks, there are characters that got reworked and saw and increment in their use, sure for people who loved their original designs or kits is a bummer because you can't just go back to it, like for example old Urgot where I really enjoyed launching Q's to people with them being unable to avoid them, but new Urgot is overall better in terms of balance and gameplay so you can't really say is a step down.

However some reworks did really remove any fun out of the character for the sake of balance and even then the supposed balance wasn't for the best, I know old Skarner passive was kind of busted but at least it made Skarner to stay relevant, they gave that Dominion thing passive which is unique to him but basically made him a Jungler only when before you could play him Top too, old Aatrox wasn't good either but new Aatrox isn't that much better specially when you have Riot adding and removing stuff each two patches because they don't have any idea how to balance him.

My biggest problem with Riot is how they seem to have no middle point, they either release a busted champion only to nerf it to the ground after some patches or have a very weak champion and buff it until it becomes broken, most of the champions that feel balanced are those who haven't been touched in a long time.

Original Ryze was better.
>Press R
>Gain 100 AP and all abilities get AOE

>Overpowered, but very well designed
You can't have both at the same time user.

gold 3 is the highest ive ever had. not every charcter is meant to be for ranked, i think you forget the point of a game is to be FUN, and the urgot rework is anything but

>Anything that isn't meta, gets nerfed to oblivion because Riot doesn't want anything that goes off of what they want
I could forgive everything if it weren't for this. Not even trying to hide that they think the players are low priority compared to their chinese masters.

Yeah dude, why make new characters while you can just change one that some people have practiced for hundred of hours

I think overall they have a pretty good balance of reworks/new champs lately, they have been reworking champions that really needed at least a visual update for the most part like Nunu, Mordekaiser and now Pantheon, I agree that some reworks made them better visually but outright removed their original charm like Swain being too serious now compared to before and Galio not being just a gargoyle anymore, but in terms of visuals for the most part they did a fine job like with Mordekaiser or Alistar or Poppy.

>i think you forget the point of a game is to be FUN
Usually. But Rito had been pushing the e-sports shit for a long time now. Fun to play isn't as important as fun to watch other nerds play now.

I like visual and audio updates just not the game play ones. Especially the Aatrox like ones. Just make a new character

Some characters do really need ones, is not just making a new character but making old characters that see no use being played by more people.

For example Azir is in a dire need of a gameplay rework so is Skarner.

Fuck off moron, I wouldn't play champions I know are bad in ranked, I kept my stupid picks to Normal games where I can have fun without retards like you going "OMG YOU PICKED A CHAMP I DON'T SEE VERY OFTEN I'M GONNA FEED"

What the FUCK was that Kayle rework bros? We lost a good armor-fu

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They should just revert Skarner all the way back to his original design, figure out why people liked him and go from there. If they iterate on this mish mash juggernaut shit after they decided to jostle his abilities around for the 5th time, it's gonna be trash again.

Meanwhile their shitty auto chess did the even more. RIOT is beyond retarded

0/4 zed kills 10/0 draven
working as intended

game is still fun mad neckbeards

THIS! HOLY FUCK RIOT, YOU REALLY FUCKED THAT UP YOU FUCKING JEW NIGGGERS, FUCK YOU RIOT!!!!!!

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