>jrpg >characters try to kill a god > he is unambiguously evil, and wants to enslave/annihilate all of humanity >they defeat him with ease, and live happily ever after
>wrpg >characters try to kill a god, or at least try to put an end to his divine injustice >they confront him, and he explains that he agrees with them, but he is unable to do anything since the divine injustice was put into place by other gods, and if he were to act against them, they would bring vengeance down upon mortals >however, through a loophole he is able to allow you to stop a smaller injustice >the characters resign themselves to the fact that the universe is governed by laws that are beyond their control >however, in the ending one of your party members is determined to continue the fight, together with some of her allies, including her siblings >but one of her allies betrays her and while she narrowly escapes, her siblings are sucked into hell, presumably to be tortured for all eternity. She gives up the fight and is so traumatized that she never speaks again, lest her words lead others to their doom.
> Western RPGs > All literal who shit that nobody cares about except Fallout 3, Skyrim, Witcher 3, Mass Effect & KOTOR > Japanese RPGs > Hundreds of games that constantly recieve critical acclaim from journalists & gamers alike, instead of the same rehashed normalfag ones Really makes you think
>NV fans praise Survivalist as best thing in the game >omg wtf 76 only tells stories through notes and holotapes, thats dumb you cant do that
Ayden Scott
Bloodborne is the best JRPG
Christopher Myers
>Bloodborne is the best JRPG
>"Lovecraftian Horror" >can kill Eldritch Gods with a rusty saw and a musket It's certainly indicative of the bad writing that plagues jrpgs, I'll give you that.
JRPGs are about exploring growth of characters and overall themes
WRPGs are about building boring worlds that are just Tolkein but with small modificiations.
Asher Wood
Yes, you can't do that. You can't tell stories only through notes and holotapes in a AAA game. You see there's no double standard as one of the games in the comparison does this and the other doesn't.
Daniel Bennett
Fuck off weeb
Jacob Hughes
>jRPG >cute girls >wRPG >trannies
Jordan Diaz
JRPGs are like books. WRPGs are like choose your own adventure books.
>WRPGs are about building boring worlds that are just Tolkein but with small modificiations. Uh-huh.
If anything, it's jrpgs that are extremely derivative of Tolkien.
For instance, if you look at wrpgs that aren't high fantasy, like say Fallout, Deus Ex, Jagged Alliance, Vampire The Masquerade, etc. they tend to incorporate aspects of their setting in their gameplay. And I don't mean things like characters using guns. I mean stuff like Fallout having a barter economy, which is logical in a post-apocalyptic society where monetization has broken down. Or how cybernetic augmentations in Deus Ex take the place of a more traditional RPG system. Or the whole mercenary company aspect of Jagged Alliance.
It's obvious that a game's setting should inform its gameplay. But jrpgs really don't do this. Even jrpgs that take place in modern or futuristic settings, such as Persona or Xenoblade, still revolve around typical high fantasy cliches like dungeon crawling and god-killing shenanigans. The characters even still use medieval weaponry. Heck, Symphony of the Night is a Japanese RPG where you play as a vampire, yet you can't even bite anyone to drink blood, meaning you can't even fulfil the basic function of a vampire. How lame is that? Or take Lost Odyssey, a game where you play as immortals, yet you can somehow still die from combat.
Another baffling trope is when jrpgs take place in a world such as various Final Fantasy games, where the technology and level of civilization is far more advanced than our own, yet the world still functions like a pre-industrial society, with small settlements separated by vast, uncharted expanses of wilderness filled with wild beasts and roving bandits, and characters still using medieval weaponry. What is the point of going with a futuristic setting if it's functionally and thematically identical to a medieval fantasy world?
Jrpg settings are just Tolkien-like worlds dressed up in superficially different skins.
>tfw playing Breath of Fire 3 again >this thread Hey, come on now, OP. Don't do me like this.
Jaxson Evans
You just got called a Nazi because you defended Heroes of Might and Magic III from being attacked by a pedo weeb. I don't even know what timeline this is anymore.
Jeremiah Thomas
That image includes some delectable sophistry and appeals to emotion, but is largely correct.
Hunter Lewis
Be that as it may surely you must admit that your image is the epitome of bait. To call Radiant Historia and Chrono Trigger "Science Fantasy" instead of alternate history while calling Planescape High Fantasy when things like "Legend of Mana" exist is laughable at best, and bait at worst.
Also I really don't want to be "that" guy but most of the old "diamond in the rough" western games are in the rough for a reason; they are often extremely obtuse to get into and even once you get into the pleasure of playing it properly is the idea that it was hard to get into, often for no real reason at all. Most Japanese games, for as cookie cutter as the stories MAY end up being; are often much better at conveying actual fun gameplay.
Exceptions exist of course.
Luke Thompson
>To call Radiant Historia and Chrono Trigger "Science Fantasy" instead of alternate history How are they alternate history? They don't take place in our world, which is the nr. 1 requirement of alternate history. Do you even know what these genre classifications mean?
And they are most certainly science fantasy. In CHrono Trigger, Lucca, a teenage girl, invented fire arms and a time machine in a pre-industrial setting, and we are expected to take this seriously. Radiant Historia literally has modern technological marvels like fucking air conditioning.
>calling Planescape High Fantasy when things like "Legend of Mana" exist is laughable at best, and bait at worst. What are you even saying here? Why wouldn't Planescape qualify as high fantasy? And what about Legend of Mana?
Leo Taylor
There's a reason you have to back sometimes multiple decades to find counter examples. I'll just leave it at that.
David Rogers
>Also I really don't want to be "that" guy but most of the old "diamond in the rough" western games are in the rough for a reason; they are often extremely obtuse to get into and even once you get into the pleasure of playing it properly is the idea that it was hard to get into, often for no real reason at all. Yes, because Japanese games are totally known for their accessible control schemes.
>There's a reason you have to back sometimes multiple decades to find counter examples. I'll just leave it at that. But most of the jrpgs in that list are also decades old, from the so-called 'golden age' of jrpgs (snes/ps1/ps2).
You even talk about Persona but the pic conveniently leaves it out when it's urban fantasy.
Aaron Phillips
Are you trying to imply with that image that moving a cursor through a menu with 5 options is too hard/complicated?
Josiah Smith
If your argumentation are pics like that just neck yourself. Want to talk about Gothic controls?
Hudson Brown
why are wrpgfags so insecure is it the lack of relevancy?
Jack Morris
The JRPGs in that image aren't really relevant since they're all supposed to be "the same"
Hudson Reed
>Are you trying to imply with that image that moving a cursor through a menu with 5 options is too hard/complicated? It's not hard or complicated. But it's incredibly tedious, and needlessly so. Why on earth would you defend such a horrible control scheme?
Considering the fact that you have to resort to blatant lying (you don't just move a cursor through a menu with 5 options, you have to take lots of tedious steps even for something as basic as a simple attack order), I can only assume you tacitly agree with me.
Lincoln Campbell
It's really sad that op would think the latter is an example of good writing
This is what Harry Potter has done to an entire generation
Liam Clark
>jrpg >party of adventurers kills god with the power of friendship
>wrpg >lol kys loser >god commits suicide
Sebastian Rivera
>bad writing I don't think you know what "writing" means
Because the game offers more options than just "click to attack"? It's like complaing about Baldur's Gate controls because in Diablo you just click the monster.
Liam Smith
>You even talk about Persona but the pic conveniently leaves it out when it's urban fantasy. Nobody is saying jrpgs don't have variety in their settings. They do, but it's undermined by how poorly they use those settings.
The Persona games don’t even let you explore the intrigue of an urban fantasy setting, for the gameplay sections they teleport you to another dimension that is literally a monster-filled maze, and the stories are the generic god-killing shenanigans that you see in every jrpg. Despite taking place in modern times, you use medieval weapons. You heal deadly injuries with candy. Despite the occult theme, the spells and abilities are your cookie cutter elemental JRPG spells. There's no effort whatsoever made to create a believable urban fantasy setting that reconciles the fantastical with the mundane. The games feel schizophrenic in tone, jumping back and forth between Japanese teenage highschool drama and high fantasy dungeon crawler. It's like the developers wanted to create an urban fantasy setting, but were too lazy to flesh out such a setting and just went with standard high fantasy tropes.
Compare that to something like Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines, which utilizes its modern-day setting in every aspect of its gameplay and narrative. For example, since you're a vampire healing is done by feeding on NPCs or by consuming blood bags, which you can get by having an employee at the local hospital smuggle them out for you. Instead of generic elemental spells, you hack computers and use vampiric disciplines such as mental domination or a mist form which renders you invisible. The game takes place in urban locales, not some abstract dimension, and NPC's will panic and alert the cops if you reveal your vampiric nature in public, and being careless may attract the attention of vampire hunters. That's how you translate urban fantasy to a video game.
Luis Wood
>wow, what a plot twist, the bad guy isn't actually a bad guy >oh wow another plot twist, someone betrays someone else >and then these characters do fucking basic shit like continue to fight when there is no chance etc. what a unique and brilliant story just because you write a lot of words about basic shit it doesn't make the story special OP
>Because the game offers more options than just "click to attack"?
Generic commands availabl to units in Final Fantasy Tactics: >move, attack, use abilities, use items, wait.
Generic commands available to units in Heroes of Might and Magic IV: >move, attack, use abilities, use items, wait, defend, switch between different attack modes such as melee or ranged.
Enlil in PQ2 did nothing wrong. >I'm not stopping you and I'm not stopping anyone from leaving
Jayden Ramirez
ignoring the fact that the settings of those games are wastly different despite you slapping the same crappy western terminology on them, it's still the most blatant cherry pick you could come up with
98% of western rpgs are he most generic tolkien or star wars ripoffs, you digging out the handful of unique ones from the hundreds of generic borefest won't change that.
with japanese rpgs there is just no fucking contest when it come to using unique settings
>Symphony of the Night Isn't it a glorified platformer
Owen Robinson
The real difference between JRPGs and WRPGs is in JRPGs you set out on a quest to save the world and in WRPGs you set out on a quest to be everyone errand boy
I'd assume Shadowchads' fotm leading into FE3H's Also the fact that there hasn't been a single significant western game released the entire year maybe
William Miller
This. I don’t know why westfags likes being a fucking slave.
Joseph Gutierrez
>They don't take place in our world, which is the nr. 1 requirement of alternate history What??? Wouldn't our world be alternate history then because it takes place in our world
What's wrong with a good old happy ending? I know that in literature they tend to be frowned upon but last I checked this was Yea Forums not Yea Forums and feeling good at the end of a game wasn't considered as shitty as feeling that way at the end of a book. Anyway peace out mate play more JRPGs that aren't Atlus or SE shit and stop making template threads
Nathaniel Nelson
Persona 4. It’s a great game, you should try the persona series.
Brayden Roberts
>Fire Emblem Three Houses >Rune Factory 4 Special >Azur Lane Crosswave >Ys IX >Atelier Ryza >Dragon Quest XI S >Persona 5 Royal >Shin Sakura Taisen What WRPGs are coming out in the later half of the year again?
The difference is one is Japanese and one is Western. This is easily discovered by noticing that while both have rpg in them, the beginning letter is different. I have bestowed you with a better post than yours now goodbye
Dylan Rogers
>ordinary and harmless old man >is 27 years old according to official developer bio Pathetic. You couldn't even come up with a single jrpg villain that fits that description. None of that shit applies to him
Also: >comparing mindless hack and slash to a game where story is the central focus
Can't tell if bait, or just another person who has never actually read the story.
Henry Foster
Nah, the main difference is how ridiculously over the top are the attacks? One tends to have characters that for a basic attack it apparently cracks the world in the half then does 2,000 damage; the other tends not to have that.
Jacob Rodriguez
The Survivalist isn't the main plot. Notes and holotapes should exist as collectibles for those who are interested in the lore of the game and are more inerested existed in the the narrative and the game world.
Grayson Russell
Why do retards bring this up. I don't write down : all Japanese games suck signed miyamoto, then post it as facts. Are weebs so selfhating of their European countries that they ignore common sense?
Chase Diaz
Oh foreigner, you are not to take video games seriously!
It is all about the cool and the flashy, not people like the ones you find in history books!
>wants to kill every single human in the world to replace them with replicas for...reasons >a complex, multifaceted character who defies easy categorization It's just your standard maniacal jrpg villain. FUcking sephiroth is a more nuanced character
what was the deal with sephiroth anyway? wasn't he just angry that he was thrown into a vat of mako?
Gabriel Phillips
whats the fucking point of these threads all you faggots do is cherrypick
Leo Stewart
actually the difference is that one has been made by the people of Japan and the other has been made by the folk of the west I don't think you understand this, please re-read my post
Nolan Lopez
>i-it doesn't count! look at these games from over 15 years ago instead of modern ones Are
Jacob Johnson
agreed. us westerners are serious and mature gamers who only play serious and mature video games!
You'd be wrong on that front then, since the terms WRPG and JRPG have not referenced their countries or localities of origin for some time, and instead have referenced themes and mechanics.
Xavier Johnson
The difference between western games and eastern games is there are pressure groups setup by western companies to push agendas in video games (and movies) for cash here.
In 5-10 years when these companies think they can trust the JP companies to not out them, you'll start to see it in their games too. It's already happening with companies like Square Enix.
actually user, it means the game was made in japan or it was made in the west, a game made in the west that uses stuff typical for japanese games is not a jrpg no matter how much you say it is I'm sorry, please read it again and consider that if it is made in japan it is a japanese rpg and if it is made in the west it is a western rpg
Connor Cook
>not wanting to punch God in the face
JRPGs also have better gameplay in general. I don't know why people hype up WRPGs so fucking much when they suck at being fun video games. Y'all are wack.
>>i-it doesn't count! look at these games from over 15 years ago instead of modern ones It doesn't count because none of the shit mentioned here about Van Grants is remotely true. Literally, none of it, except for some extremely superficial simiilarities (Van Grants tutors Luke, but only in swordplay, and the tutoring happens mostly before the gam even begins, not during it).
It's the laziest attempt at counter-bait I'v ever seen.
Nolan Allen
>our character is always a blank self insertion with no personality woooooow can someone pleeeeeeeease why my character in this RPG is blank, with no personality? I have no creativity or personality, I need to the game to give my character a personality despite me playing a Role Playing Game.
Elijah Thomas
WRPGfags are easily fooled by some pretentious and "mature" presentation. Maybe throw in some snarky dialogue with fancy sentences and big words to make them feel extra sophisticated..
Jordan Scott
>WRPG Self-insert fantasy >JRPG Actual video game
Samuel Collins
>original image compares turn-based wrpgs with turn-based jrpgs >make a response image that compares a turn-basd wrpg (one that was specifically inspired by jrpgs) to some jrpg that is basically a single-player mmo
You really are retarded, aren't you? Your comparison is completely pointless because it's comparing games that aren't even within the same genree.
Most of the things in that image aren't even true, e.g. XBX doesn't let you target Aoe's, doesn't have friendly fire and 'invisibility' isn't true invisbility, it's just aggro reduction. And since it's an action game, there's no way to control multiple charactrs simultaneously.
i agree with the stereotypes you're presenting but realistically, wrpgs are fucking boring and trash i'll take trash characters and sissy anime boys any day over whatever garbage the average western dev shits out
Aaron Murphy
Spoiler warning (obviously) >years ago, there was a nomadic race of planet-hopping travelers named the Cetra who traveled from planet to planet until they reached the "Promised Land" >one day on earth, a meteorite crashed into the planet and a monstrous alien creature from it started attacking the Cetra >a sub-race of Cetra who didn't want to go planet to planet (humans) decided to hide while the last of the Cetra sacrificed themselves to stop the monster >fast forward years later, the monster is exhumed from the ground because a power electric company got greedy and thought it would lead them to a Promised Land where they could make a lot of money >they named it Jenova and thought it was a Cetra so they do experiments by injecting their soldiers with its cells and it makes them stronger >a scientist named Hojo decides to inject Jenova cells into his child while he's still a fetus >this child grows up to be Sephiroth who is unaware of Jenova's true nature and thinks Jenova is just his mommy >while on a mission to check a power reactor, he learns that he's a biological freak of nature and the shock of this discovery drove him insane and he decides to go on a killing spree to avenge the Cetra that humans betrayed >After torching an entire village, Sephiroth gets pushed into the planet's lifestream (basically he merges with the planet's "blood" and is thought to be dead but lives because of his Jenova cells) and learns all about Jenova, the Cetra, everything >decides to become a god to get rid of inferior humans and to reach the legendary Promised Land
You guys are quite boring with your wrpg vs. jrpg fighting that seems to have grown this week for some reason Instead of doing that, give me your favorite wrpg and jrpg to play
>jrpg settings >most of the examples are mmos or action games
>wrpg settings >one of the examples is from a japanese rpg >so desperate for examples that he has to misrepresent multiple games in the same series and the same setting as separate examples
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It should've been a pile of rotting shit for both because there isn't a single good JRPG or WRPG in existence
Justin Hall
t. coping JRPG weeb
Luis Barnes
This place is full to the brim with false flaggers hoping that they will actually offend anyone, in the end, they attract just more false flaggers who they believe are genuine
Jack Garcia
seething western cuck
Kayden Baker
Your JRPGs are so bad that you have to pretend that WRPGs have no lore or story for them to have a chance at competing
Too bad The Witcher has more lore and story than all the japanease dating sims put together
I’d unironically rather be a soimale than a brainless weeb that can only think about muh waifus and retarded nonsensical worlds.
Tyler Brooks
What's the point of worldbuilding if your actual story is shit?
Landon Nelson
how?
Luis Mitchell
>JRPG >Several good games released per year
>WRPG >1(ONE) good game per several year, which mostly came from 10 years ago
Really make you think
Hudson Moore
lol please do try to prove him wrong in the story the boat skullfucked Cthulhu so hard he went to sleep for a couple more millenia
Nicholas Edwards
The second line makes sense, it's hard or unreasonable to be heroic and realistic at the same time. Look up the definitions of strength and practicality, how are those two qualities opposed to each other?
Benjamin Ward
>japanese villain >""I will destroy it all! Destroy! Destroy! Destroy!! Hee, hee, hee!! But what fun is destruction if no "precious" lives are lost?"
>western villain >"Indeed. Such narrow vision. Don’t you see? My silencing of Ariel, and its calculated repercussions, is but the first act in my theatre of Grand Guignol. Of which you are the tragic ”hero”."
It is known, user. Only those that don’t belong here aka westerncucks disagree.
Lincoln Martin
OP
Hey OP
Let me tell you something
They are both garbage
John Adams
>wants to kill every single human in the world to replace them with replicas for...reasons He wanted to recreate the world in a way that people were deaf to the 7th fonon. In doing this, they would be freed from the score and not have their entire lives dictated by fragments of a rock.Was Van's scheme really so forgettable?
Jack Gutierrez
>her siblings are sucked into hell, presumably to be tortured for all eternity. She gives up the fight and is so traumatized that she never speaks again, lest her words lead others to their doom. This is fucking stupid, mothers aren't like that.
A real mother would keep trying even is that destroys the universe because to her her children are more important than everything else.
So what your are saying is that JRPGs have the better overall story because you get a good ending?
Jacob Adams
jprgs are for friendless nerds who want to live fantasies of being popular and having friends (see: the persona series) wrpgs are for friendless nerds who want to conquer the world in revenge (see: you are the fucking chosen one with powers destined to rule everyone which is a plot element in half of them)
