Alpha Centauri is an absolute masterpiece

She was right all along though

>The Morgans fear what may not be purchased, for a trader cannot comprehend a thing that is priceless.

Morganites are twisted and greedy as fuck - eager to ransack Planet

The political angle in Alpha Centauri was pretty heavy handed. Great game but it wasn't subtle in the slightest.

She's entirely correct tho

Did he also go nuts and start to became a collectivist?

Well it's pretty accurate. Most americans just changed their religion from christianism to corporatism.

>And when at last it is time for the transition from megacorporation to planetary government, from entrepreneur to emperor, it is then that the true genius of our strategy shall become apparent, for energy is the lifeblood of this society and when the chips are down he who controls the energy supply controls Planet. In former times the energy monopoly was called "The Power Company"; we intend to give this name an entirely new meaning.

Literally SHINRA.

MIRIAM WAS RIGHT

WE MUST DISSENT

Wasn't there basically a canon winner/set of winners hinted through the plot and tech quotes?

Gaians canonically win, I believe.
She's a monster.

He ends up getting shaken after realising what's going on at his research labs, but otherwise stays on track.
It was enough that most people to this day think Miriam was crazy, when she was the only one who thought to bring brakes to the UN's wild ride.
Deidre's conversations with Planet make up the last technologies, but it doesn't account for sniping/alternate victory conditions.
I believe in the books the canon winners are Deidre, Lal, and Yang, as everyone else kills each other with planetbusters.

"Go through, my children! The time of miracles is upon us. Let us cast off sin and walk together to the Garden of the Lord. With God’s mercy we shall meet again on the other side.”

— Sister Miriam Godwinson, “Last Testament”

This is the conclusion of Sister Miriam’s last testament; these are her last words. Soon after leaving this message, she stepped into a Psi Gate. But this one wasn’t attuned to a particular target destination. So instead of delivering her to a nearby base as would normally be the case, it annihilated her physical form.

This is suicide. A futuristic form of suicide that has a gnostic sort of purity, perhaps, but suicide nonetheless. Judging by her exhortation to her followers, she intends this to be a mass suicide. Historically, such an event tends to take place after the leaders lose hope that they can accomplish their worldly goals. And, given that it usually accompanies a catastrophic or apocalyptic defeat, it’s understandable that it’s also commonly accompanied by a strong belief that the end times are approaching.

But the fascinating thing about this is that Miriam is totally and completely right. The player knows that the game is about to end, which will quite literally end her fictional world. But, even purely in-universe, the end of the tech tree heralds the end of anything the player is likely to be able to concretely identify with.

Sister Miriam was the last pure canonical human. At the end we can see that she was presented with a profound choice. She could have chosen to eat from the tree of life and, thus, join the others in true immortality (the tech researched before Psi Gates is Clinical Immortality). But it would not have been on her terms. In her eyes, it would have cost Miriam her very soul. So she opted instead for the final death, trusting in the promise of Heaven to the very last.

>name a single fucking game that even approaches this level of depth

Actual cringe

RIP.
youtu.be/wh-ZcdO5fe8

mong

>hurr durr jim jones god will save me :)))

You're going in my stapled drone collection.

Modern civ knows it sells on style, not substance. Hence why they have just one guy doing all the AI.

Play Pandora, you damn drones!

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You failed us All. KILL YOUR SELF FAGGOT.

Do an hero

dont write em like they used to

American Civ was Santiago.

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How decent is the Civ4 Planetfall mod?

youtube.com/watch?v=ttHg2fSlAf0 She had the comfiest theme in the civ 4 mod at least.
There was also a 3rd american in the expansion, the viking pirate dude. I think Hacker girl was from trinidad as well.

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>clinical immortality
>costing her soul
She might raise a couple good points here and there but she is literally retarded and sumbled into being right by accident

If you listen to her quotes she's actually knowledgeable about science. Her problem is with how it's being used and all the fucked up technology on Planet, she doesn't hate science itself.

She certainly doesn't like science taking over. I'm sure she would be right at home living on the plains, working as a farmer or something.
That's the great thing about alpha centauri, every single person can be right depending on your point of view.

That'll be one soul please, plus tip.

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Haven't you read your bible, user?

“And the Lord God said, ‘Behold, the man is become as
one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth
his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and
live forever, we must send him forth.’ Therefore the
Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till
the ground from whence he was taken.”

— The Conclave Bible, Datalinks

what actually transpires beneath the veil of an event horizon?

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>listening to Planet
>eating the fungus
ISHYGDDT

Why would you want to be immortal on Planet though? I can understand current Earth maybe but Planet is a fucking nightmare for almost everyone

Best and worse faction to live in if you are regular joe pleb?

Best: UN
Worst: Hive

Damn shame but I think it's really hard for anyone to maintain independent teams/feels when one franchise is dominatingly successful. We see over and over again that diversity of games where one is a megablockbuster seems to inevitably vanish and the blockbuster comes to dominate everything.

It sucks though because I never liked Civ as much as SMAC at all even at the same time. And SMAC definitely deserved a follow up or even remaster.

It feels like almost every dev goes that route now.

It sucks, I'd hope that strategy game publishes would try to avoid that.

none
youtube.com/watch?v=KbS2dVlhGIA

>you now remember Civilization: Beyond Earth being called the successor to SMAC
What an awful comparison.

Best: Morgan
Worse: Yang

But Miriam knows exactly what she's doing, being afraid of technology because of how shit things become as a result of it
>one ending involves selectively merging everyone's minds with the planet in such a way that opponents are mindless drones
>her "will we next create false gods" quote appears when you make an AI-controlled city that efficiently kills people
>has a quote upon building a big teleporter about whether the consciousness also gets transferred or the original person that went through has effectively died and was replaced by a replica at the end of the portal

If we're not counting Alien Crossfire, then Otherwise, Data Angels, Free Drones, and Nautilus Pirates seem like good deals, relatively speaking.
Yang is still the worst. Cult is just Deidre on steroids so you were fucked anyway.
Which all goes to show why nobody should count Alien Crossfire, because it's just fucking dull.

>Transcendence is basically third impact

fuck

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Decent people shouldn't think too much about that.

This game still hasn't been topped in many ways.
The writing and philosophy is fucking top notch.

>Our scientists now use fractal theory to "teach" the molecules to assume, or resume, a particular form. Substances of amazing strength become simple once the formulae are properly computed.

bbc.co.uk/news/technology-49191645

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>It feels like almost every dev goes that route now.
It's not just devs user it's companies in general, it's a kind of law of financial gravity. See "the innovator's dilemma" amongst many other things investigating this. When you've got one or two things that are dominatingly successful and just print money, it's genuinely very hard to avoid becoming a monoculture around that. Even though there is tons of history showing that it's often how big powerful companies fall, they become frozen around their thing, which works great right up until the moment it gets obsoleted and they get fucked up. All the incentives (anything brand new and starting up that threatens the big thing will see push back from people working on the big thing, and can't generate enough money right off) generally work against maintaining creativity and new stuff.

It fucking stinks though anytime it happens. Remember what Squaresoft and Enix once were before they become "the FF and DQ guys" for a decade? God damn it.

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we all return to nothing

SMAC is the only videogame that is art.

In the game, Intellectual Integrity is a third tier exploration technology. What would it mean for a society to have real intellectual integrity? For one, people would be expected to follow their stated beliefs to wherever they led. Unprincipled exceptions and an inability or unwillingness to correlate beliefs among different domains would be subject to social sanction. Valid attempts to persuade would be expected to be based on solid argumentation, meaning that what passes for typical salesmanship nowadays would be considered a grave affront. Probably something along the lines of punching someone in the face and stealing their money.

...

Finally, another excellent corollary of this technology, in the context of the quote, is that every faction can discover it and gain the same benefits. Contra Zakharov, the Believers are not inherently lacking in intellectual integrity simply because of their religious beliefs. The same logic holds for all of the other factions; Ethical Calculus ruthlessly applied invariably builds upon their visions. That even goes for Yang’s radical utopia! Or to put it another way, none of them represent a position that refutes itself, either idealistically or with reference to the real world.

They are all equal contenders for the future on philosophical grounds. Hence, the point of the game. We need to resort to the outcome of the struggle among the factions to find out whose vision eventually reigns supreme. Force suffices where even argument with intellectual integrity cannot.

>yfw even the names of the fucking techs imply philosophical observations

Everything after Civ 4 is bad.

>The righteous need not cower before the drumbeat of human progress. Though the song of yesterday fades into the challenge of tomorrow, God still watches and judges us. Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil.

>>you now remember Civilization: Beyond Earth being called the successor to SMAC
>What an awful comparison.
Wow thanks for reminding me of that one again, I had gone entire hours without being mad today.

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>We all return to a cosmic fungal transcendent god like being

based and funguspilled

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Reminder to build more formers.

UN's probably the best for a drone, followed by maybe Miriam or Diedre. While those two usually place restrictions on the populace at large, they don't treat their drones like cattle.

Morgan essentially only sees the lowest as workers and/or consumers, Santiago sees them as soldiers or a step above slaves, Zharkov has no qualms about using them as research subjects, and Yang sees them as another resource within society, no different from commodities such as metals, food, or energy. Miriam and Diedre generally seem to have sets of morals/rights for anyone who doesn't step out of their philosophical line, while the UN doesn't even have that qualm unless you're an extremist.

youtube.com/watch?v=2FZNPxmTB4o

I actually enjoy playing as the Gaians a lot. Combining worm legions and fast early-game units with high population growth due to food/tech synthesis and ease of conquest of bonus nodes is satisfying.

Growing up, i thought Mirriam was a crazy bible thumper but as I got older I learned to listen more and came to respect a lot of her opinions in the datalinks, even if I didn't agree entirely.

bumpo

>no option to murder Planet and end the tyranny of a so-called "god"
although I suppose that's the likely outcome of an Energy Victory/Morgan

and a slow murder at that, what with Morgan pinning Planet down and raping it with his BBC(big black corporation) to death

I was hoping I could do it as Miriam, terraform literally every square inch of fungus off the planet and poison whatever was left underground. Planet now belongs to the humans.

>Can only side with Planet
FUCK Planet

Planetbuster everything.
There are non-Transcendance endings that leave things open to interpretation, though, that end with lines like "what are we going to do with the alien god under our feet?"

What do both Ayy factions mean by "flowering"?

transcendence

Risk of transcendence?

risk of flowers

It's their word for Transcendence

If I remember correctly, it's implied that they were responsible for planets flowering in the first place, and that the last time they experimented with it on a different planet, it wiped out their whole civilization leaving just those 2 factions (and a handful of stragglers that get teleported in if the ayys get a communication victory)

>Planet's absentee landlords, who have come back after a teensy weensy problem with the other manifold reaching sentience and killing everything within three systems. She'll drop everything to try to murder the everliving shit out of anybody who tries to go for the Transcendence victory, because she has firsthand experience in exactly what that kinda shit will lead up to.

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Considerable. But rewards of godhood...

>all those terraforming options
>justplantforestsanddrillboreholes.jpg

It's nice to outpace the AI, but I wish terraforming was a little more strategic.

>"Hello, $TITLE0," Dr. $SHIMODA9's voice crackles over the annunciator, "how do you like my new 'body'?"

>Dr. $SHIMODA9's body reached the outer limit of longevity treatments several years ago. He has now joined the ranks of the 'transcendi,' daring souls who have downloaded their personalities into powerful polymorphic AI nets to free themselves of the human form. The holo image shows $SHIMODA9, or rather his disembodied head, in the prime of health, fiftyish, elegantly grey but not wrinkled.

>"Out of this world, Dr. $SHIMODA9," with a grin, "how is the research going with Planet?"

>Using the new psi/datalink VoAC feed, Dr. $SHIMODA9 has been conducting a high-speed, high-bandwidth running conversation with Planet. The results so far have been fascinating.

>"Apparently the fungus has been the dominant lifeform on the planet since about the time of the Lower Paleozoic on Earth. But it has been locked in a tragic cycle. Every hundred million years or so it achieves the critical mass necessary to become sentient, but the final metamorphosis kills off most of the other life on the planet. Lacking food sources and the maintenance its animal symbiotes provided, the fungus could maintain only a brief season of godhood before dying back into the 'flower dream' for another hundred million years. It always achieved its godlike intelligence just exactly too late to do anything to prevent the dieback. After the dieback only vague memories and rudimentary intelligence remained, and the cycle continued."

>"Until we arrived."

>"Precisely. For the first time, the cycle may be broken."

>not planting fungus everywhere
It's like you are not even gaian.

Fuck gian

I was going through the text files and found a neat unique epilogue if you're playing as a human faction and an AI Usurper faction gets a Transcendence victory, which leads to a horrifying existence as part of a planetary consciousness shaped after a progenitor mind.

However, there's no epilogue whatsoever if you're playing as the Usurpers and get Transcendence yourself. I guess the devs realized you're not supposed to play as the aliens all the way to the end because of how boring they are.

>he expects to discuss vidya on Yea Forums
In case you didn't notice this is just Yea Forums with a blue colour scheme and you might occasionally get banned for posting porn. Unless it's consolewar faggotry don't expect many (You)'s or a slow thread.

>Now that you are part of the vast matrix of the Planetmind, you spend your time wandering from thought nexus to thought nexus, despairing that $ALIENLEADER5 merged with the Planetmind and became its dominant personality.

>You just can't let it go.

>Everywhere you move, the Usurper's dominant personality has imprinted itself. Everywhere you look, there are human souls adrift, trapped in a master personality that is completely alien to all of you.

>This is the cost of losing. Not death, but an eternity living in someone else's dream, constantly assaulted by sounds and images that are not your own.

>You catch a thread of thought, a tiny sliver of energy in the vast new Planetmind. The thought is small but fills you with longing...Earth. It is a thought of Earth, the old Earth left behind, with its green forests and blue oceans regenerating after Armageddon.

>You quickly realize that $ALIENLEADER5 is reaching out to nearby planets, trying to expand its domain. It is sending some of the Usurper sub-personalities from the matrix to Earth, to colonize it.

>There is only a moment to decide, and a moment is all it takes. You piggyback on a particularly dense alien personality, riding it silently into the mind of the colony ship. You feel the ship closing down, the personalities settling into synthetic bodies for the journey. You remain in the dark, shrouding yourself in silence, squeezing into the farthest corner of one body's thought matrix.

>If the alien intelligence detects you, you will be sentenced to a far worse fate than wandering the Undermind, but it doesn't matter. Here is a second chance, and a possible redemption.

>A return home.

Which itself is not dissimilar from the regular "other guy beats the game before you do ending" where you head back to Earth.
I think AC did a good job of making the aliens fairly alien at least, even if the aliens themselves were really unnecessary.

What is transcendence? Is it the soul?

I actually do like the aliens, aside from them being overpowered in player hands. I'm just baffled that they left out the epilogue for Transcendence when there's otherwise a whole bunch of cool interludes just for the alien factions, and even some small differences in the script depending on whether you're the Usurpers or Caretakers.

>Imagine the entire contents of the planetary datalinks, the sum total of human knowledge, blasted into the Planetmind's fragile neural network with the full power of every reactor on the planet. Thousands of years of civilization compressed into a single searing burst of revelation. That is our last-ditch attempt to win humanity a reprieve from extinction at the hands of an awakening alien god.
The winning faction essentially piggybacks off of Planet's rise to consciousness by uploading everything, including themselves, into the planetary neural network.
But I'm also gonna use your post as an excuse to post one of my favourite quotes from Lal about transcendence.
>I hold a scrap of paper in the darkness and light it. I watch it burn bright and curl, disappearing into nothingness, and the heat burns my fingers. Where has it gone? What has it become? I cannot shake the feeling that I have witnessed a form of transcendence.
I'm pretty sure AC was a rush job, considering EA was looming over Firaxis heavily at that point.
>I actually do like the aliens, aside from them being overpowered in player hands.
I just don't think they added much in a game that was so heavily centered on human conflict, but that's my personal opinion.
They would've been cool in another game, and they were definitely way cooler than any of the new factions added, but otherwise, I think they crowded the spotlight.

>Alpha Centauri
Thanks user I need to play the games.

One of the major issues with the super faction is that their core ideology and the flavour text sprinkled throughout makes it pretty clear that they're the bad guys in this story. Each of the vanilla factions and leaders has pros and cons (Yang probably comes closest) but none of them could be considered villains, which makes the story interesting - there's no clear-cut good guys and bad guys.
Having a faction full of aliens who call themselves "usurpers", want to wipe out/enslave everyone who isn't them, and claim godhood status to colonize the universe makes their story less complex - there's no way to spin their actions as noble.

Daily Reminder that Miriam did nothing wrong.

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Miriam was fucking based

>want to wipe out/enslave everyone who isn't them, and claim godhood status to colonize the universe

Tbh this is always how I imagined my faction leader would continue after achieving Transcendence, regardless of which leader I was playing.

Marr's desire for conquest isn't any less "noble" than that of the aggressive original faction leaders. The only difference is that the human factions are clearly the underdogs at the start of the game, and that's why we prefer to see them prevail. They're on the brink of extinction and have nothing beyond what they've built on Planet, while the aliens have an awesome civilization somewhere in space that they just can't reach right now. The only issue I have with the aliens' motivation is that H'Minee's fear of flowering feels moot if you've already seen how great Transcendence is for the winning faction.

I'm sorry user but the new Yea Forums is for corporate lackeys to shill games and retards to spam irrelevant shit.
Good game threads like yours are the exception, not the majority. Which makes all sane people leave, which makes things even worse.

All of the faction leaders are right based on their own moralities.

>SMAC is the only videogame that is art.
It's a great game, but I suspect you say this only because you really like the writing, and writing is overall just a small aspect of videogames. So no, it can't be the only videogame that is art.

My only real beef with this game is when you get to late game with the AI things tend to move around so quickly it's easy to lose track of the little things going on.

Also fuck the hive and the believers for building so many god damn cities.

is it any good, how does it compare to alpha centaury and beyond earth?

Thats what I thought, thanks user.

Master of Magic and Civ 4 are better 4x games.

Planet is a living being. It's a planet wide organism, designed by the precursors to be a way to ascend their consciousness beyond a physical body. Basically becoming a powerful energy/soul/psi being. The Transcendence tech badically let's you take control of this process and imprint yourself or your society upon it. There are a few implications that "you" won't live through the process, you're only shaping the being that is formed, not becoming it as you are now.

It's sort of interesting that the canon doesn't have Yang present at the end. Because that sort of ending is basically Yang's philosophy distilled.

It's when the fungal mass reaches a critical point and becomes sentient. Fungus growth speeds up exponentially, killing all other lifeforms. It's not sustainable, the fungus dies off due to surpassing carrying capacity, the planet-wide intelligence dies too. It's a cycle that has happened many times before, but another intelligence could control it enough that the fungus god is able to survive long enough to not kill itself.

what is the third impact?

??? Elaborate please?

Remember me?

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I didn't play that ugly trash

Only because of the failures of the human hands holding it. The potential for greatness was there, but greed and strife destroyed it.

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FUCK MODERN CIV
WE MUST DISSENT

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Yes? That was her point. See It wasn't the tools that were evil, it was how most of the cast were using them.

I wonder, is the Mushroom God an actual god? It could be "just" a planet-sized brain, but there's PSI powers. If mindworms have those powers, Planet might well be able to rewrite reality

Then the tech should of not existed, its basic human understanding it would be corrupted.

>dystopian nightmare

One man's dystopia is another man's dream.

I love it. I'm one of the weird handful.
It's pretty poorly balanced though, and diplomacy is the usual Civilization fare.

I played your game a fair amount.
I can't say I remember a single thing about any of the factions.

Nice, its my wet dream

Goddamnit, Yang.

>Alpha Centauri - Avoids tired, generic sci-fi conventions concerning international superpowers and instead bases its factions around philosophical ideologies
>Beyond Earth - WHAT IF RUSSIA BUT IN SPACE

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The tragedy of Mirriam is that by putting the brakes on things, slowing down and considering whether unleashing flying psychic brain worms on your enemies and powering your intelligent city that has free reign to murder citizen using a pocket universe is a good idea, the others are driving full speed ahead, and as long as they don't kill themselves in the process, they end up ahead of her measured approach. By limiting the risk, she limits the rewards as well (beautifully reflected in mechanics, since she can spy and get tech, but will probably never get a special project).

GalCiv 3 >>> Alpha Centauri

Really want to play alpha centaury since its so deep and good.
But really want the comfort of slightly updated interaction and GUI of something like beyond earth.
God it suck so bad, why can't I have both.
One has should and depth but its like eating tree bark.
The other is all style and no sustenance

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True but never in human history has technological and scientific progress been stopped.

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Bro, do you even overcome the crass demands of flesh and bone? AC interface and visuals are perfectly fine as they are, I want none of that plastic shiny overdesigned visual garbage modern games tend to be full of. The only thing I'd like changed is balance tweaks for the endgame - you never get to use all the cool toys like graviton singularity gravships seriously since when you have them you have already won.

SMAC is fine if you remember the shortcut keys

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Mary had a little lamb...

>play Alpha Centauri for a month
>already went back to Master of Magic

It's a highly polished and finely tuned game but it's not that fun and the lore is more interesting than the gameplay

the custom unit designer is incredible. one of my favorite tricks is sticking SAM missiles on a land-rover. they're defenseless against being attacked by air units, but if they catch one in the open they blow it out of the sky while being 1/10th as expensive

Rising Tide makes BE slightly better and there was some things I wish they added to Civ 5/6 but the AI in BE was so bad even for civ.

Please don’t go
The drones need you
They look up to you

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kek, how have I not seen this image before

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I’ve only ever rolled The University because they are the best and I love Network Nodes.
Change my mind.

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yeah, except it's the opposite of that. not only has that happened a bunch of times, but that was what was happening in every single civilization on the planet when the europeans were kicking off their age of exploration into the scientific and then industrial revolution, during which they had to beat the stagnation and regression out of pretty much everyone else they came across

it's stagnation that's the rule, not progress, which has historically only been achieved when the world forced it upon them

the alien crossfire civs kinda stink, did the same writers as the first ones work on them?

university is everyone's first faction. now try running an oppressive hive police state and covering the entire map with a tight grid of cities

Remove Hive
1989 Tiananmen Square and such

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Just give me alpha centaury thats pretty much a copy in terms of gameplay and writing, but better visuals and some ease of use UI updates.

The brain of Alpha Centauri is actually Brian Reynolds.
He made Rise of Nations, Rise of Legends and Kingdom of Alamur and now he wastes his life and talents at the hacks of Zynga making literally copy paste mobile games

I feel you but that's never going to happen. appeals to too niche a market I guess.
I'll take slightly clunky menus over shitty, recycled games anyday

mobileshit truly kills the industry.

I always wondered why the hell Civ 1 and 2 aren't on GOG or something.

Poor bastard

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May be a rights issue, series ownership moved from Microprose to Firaxis after 2

Turn complete

>woman
>political leader
>short hair
not christian. bible says women or children in charge is a curse

Part 1

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Part 2

I knew once she got Planet Busters and I didn't the jig was up.

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You're right but zoomers who are too emotionally attached to CivV (an overrated game with the depth of a puddle) will never see reason.

reminder that she is the canon winner

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>tumblr

>bio terrorist hippie is the victor against the greatest minds of humanity

epic

*releases the worms*

>joins the planetmind
>not the literally greatest mind of humanity

Not much point when you stop being humanity.

Do you though, or do you transcend what it means to be human?

Abandoning your humanity is betraying your species on one of the highest levels possible. Data-people are no different.

Based and Yangpilled

I would Planetbuster nut on those ginger locks.

HUMAN BEHAVIOR

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You cannot have deep games without complex UI.

It's really amazing how hard Beyond Earth dropped the ball.

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>dropped the ball
It never had the ball, the whole game was never going to achieve anything anywhere near Alpha Centauri, even Alpha Centauri's own expansion fails to live up to the base game, the closest thing they have to an Alpha Centauri faction was Aki Zeta, who still fell well short.

BE was reskinned Civ V, one guy even delved into the programming and saw much of the code was literally the same.

Although civ 5 has its problems, the vox populi (aka CPP) mod is fucking good.

I never played that mod, how is it? What does it do differently?

Alien Crossfire's problem is that the new factions really don't get any "screentime", and the max number of opponents is still capped at 7 rather than 14.

Lal is the only 'good guy' from the base game.
The expansion added more goods: Domai, Datajack Roze, Aki-Zeta and Svensgard, and the Caretaker aliens

everyone else is a fucking psychopath.

This isn't exactly a secret. Anyone who has played both games can tell right away.

When was this changed?

You don't need to look at the code to figure that out. At least Civ4:Colonization was marketed as a total conversion.

>When was this changed?
With Rising Tide I believe.

It pisses me off that they cannot just update this game graphic and multiplayer wise. The drones are going to riot.

is economic behavior
but competition for limited resources remains a constant.
Yes, user it is bored into my brain too.

It was changed during beta, in response to "player feedback". And arguably there was a point, what each choice did exactly was slightly unclear, but they didn't need to remove the fucking soul just to add a 'gives you +1 hammers' reminder.

>reskinned
It clearly isn't, it's definitely built on top of the same engine, but it has a bunch of completely new features. Reusing Civ V as it's base is a problem, but it's not the biggest, it just fundamentally misunderstands Alpha Centauri, on just about every level possible. Have you ever read a faction leaders bio, holy shit that writing is horrendous.

That's part of the problem, but the new factions are still trash, especially the aliens, at no point did they ever need to add them, they clearly added them because they were just so fucking lost that they needed something that would be easy to do.

Eh, not only do I find the old school graphics charming but any updated version would be changed for the worse in current year.

Honestly Crossfire needed a "rebellion" mechanic. Half the expansions factions seem like they should be the result of another faction having a rebellion that broke away.

>2020: Andrew Yang becomes President
>2100:

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Isn't that the origin story for most of the non-alien ones anyway?

Pretty dumb they couldn't have the fluff and the gameplay info. Big problem with BE is most of the lore is hidden away while SMAC oozes lore all over the place.

You're not wrong - the twist is that there's positive and sinister motivations behind every human faction leader's desire to transcend. On the upside, they want to unite and preserve humanity (even if it means becoming something definitely not-human) as equals in the new hivemind, but in the downside, they would force their own ideology onto every human that becomes part of the hivemind (although I get the sense that the other factions wouldn't have the autonomy to not embrace that ideology).

I might be mistaking the actual flavour text with shitty fancanon, but Marr definitely wants everyone else (caretakers and especially humans) dead or under their heel, even after transcendence. If is anything to go off of, that sounds worse than any potential treatment a human-dominated hivemind. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it say somewhere that the aliens eat human prisoners of war?

Unironically, what's Lal's sinister motivation? The only weird thing I remember about him was that in some Datalinks quote it was implied that he was trying to reincarnate his wife through some kind of clone technology.

Much zoomer boomer, get over your self dude. Civ 5 is a fine game not perfect but still fun.

He's just a huge wimp from a discredited organization.

Civ V was good but I feel like it never got its full potential.

I wish Rhye made RFC for V like he originally planned.

It changes and rebalances almost everything. Policy trees are a lot more distinct and are all viable/ Some are changed completely. The civs are all different, with more significant and interesting bonuses. Everyone has one unique unit, and either a building or an improvement. The AI is improved a great deal, they have one guy who seems to just work on AI. It's a lot better at combat although of course still not as good as a human. The tech tree is restructured. Religions are rebalanced. Pantheons are generally more powerful. Some new luxuries are added, and monopolies are rebalanced. Every civ gets a monopoly surrounding their starting location (not sure if this was the case in vanilla). Anyway you get the idea. It's very challenging on emperor+.

I would only want to live in Lal's faction though. With Planned + Democratic + Children's Creche + Human Genome Project + Virtual World, think of all the pussy

I'd do Free Market or maybe Green economics, Planned is communism.

The drones will eat you.

Aki Zeta-5 is the best waifu and has the best faction. Prove me wrong - you literally can't.

Low expectations and settling for "dude it's just fun lmao turn your brain off" is how the series got to where it is now. People love nu-civ either because they grew up with it or because it has an incredibly sleek surface but when you peel it back there's nothing there. In CivV's case it's a complete mess.

That I agree

Well she certainly is the most loyal pact sister in the game. Just trade tech with her and she will love you long time

In what way is it a mess?

>please don't go. the drones need you. they look up to you.

Btw for those who are interested, the game is largely inspired by this sci-fi novel, written by Frank Herbert, who also wrote Dune.

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Fuck, I didn't think about Lal. That's fair, it does seem like he's pretty clean on the whole - the dead wife thing is weird, but it doesn't seem like outright immoral or motivated by greed or a desire to harm.
The only thing I might argue is that his desire to replicate the UN structure (with the bureaucratic corruption/inefficiency that entails) on Planet would lead to the same mistakes that ruined Earth, although that wouldn't matter once everyone had assimilated into a hivemind that emphasized equality/humanitarian ideals.

Civ V, with all of the expansions, patches, and a few simple quality of life mods, is the best Sid Meier experience.

Sum it up, I'm intrigued now.

Disagree, Civ IV RFC is. I wish we got Civ V RFC then that would be my favorite, I'm a sucker for the art deco graphics V has.

Was she autistic?

Not even close. I recently replayed SMAC, Beyond Earth and Civ 5, and the latter two were complete disappointment compared to SMAC. How do you fuck up so hard that a 20 year old game is better in every way except graphics, which doesn't mean much when your art direction/aesthetics is garbage anyway?

Sorry man, it's been a long time since I've read it and I'm feeling lazy, so here's the wiki:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Incident

The idea of the sentient Planet came from the book. There's a lot of similarities; one of the characters is even called Morgan.

I think you are overrating SMAC a bit and underselling what later civ games brought to the table.

exponential growth and snowballing isn't really fun, IMO.

And that's really what SMAC is. Once you unlock the resource caps, supply crawlers it's already game over. Satellites just make it ridiculous after that.

The one thing I hate about Civ V is the huge penalty for going wide, but I do feel that over all, the game comes close to achieving the right balance.

Oh shit, its almost like real life once you get shit going. Everyone is racing to get that ball rolling first to win.

Yea, that would be good, but even on the hardest difficultly the AI can't keep pace with you once you snowball in SMAC.

Have you tried playing versus humans?

Was Reynolds a waifufag for Dierdre?

for Alpha Centauri? No. That would probably require hooking up with some really weird people.

Civ V multiplayer was horrible. People just quit and disconnect. I think I got into the industrial era one time.

>Civ V multiplayer was horrible. People just quit and disconnect.
How the fuck, I can't even play the game everyone keeps desyncing, even Civ VI, it's the most confusing shit, the games are a few steps above Chess yet you can't go a few turns without desyncs, what a joke.

Have you played with a friend? Random people sounds god awful

Any ideology/dogma that ends in mass suicide is not worth subscribing to.

My group of friends used to play it all the time together.

>friends who play Sid Meier games
Sounds nice
I had a few Steam friends I would get together with for a while, but even then it was spotty.

We would make pacts to stay in the games even when it was clear that we had lost. But there wasn't enough of us, so we had to pair up with randoms.

Damn I just played with my friend in a private lobby its much more comfy.

I am an atheist BUT I respect Mirriam. She is not a hypocrite like most fundis and she doesn't want to fuck children.

I could write a small book about this, but in truth the horse has been well and truly been beaten to death and you can find hundreds of salty old grogs who've already explained the problems with it. I can go into it if you really want but the takeaway is that CivVI believe it or not is a mild improvement on V in every way but its presentation. That's how fucked V's mechanics are.

Lets be real he probably makes more money doing mobile shit.

SEETHING

civ games are absolutely shit compared to alpha centauri. every single one is a fucking abortion in comparison

Cool, just admit you do not have an argument its much easier.

>Civ 5
>good

lol

I have to admit, I prefer VI's city spam to V's build a fourth city and watch your happiness go negative.

What is the ultimate goal of humanity? I don't think we have to worry about it this shitty species will kill itself. But the next step is transcendence.

I don't think what Deidre is planning for the human race is any worse than what the other factions endgoals are.

I am playing civ 4 now, its a decent game but unit stacking is bullshit

Alpha Chadtauri
>Human behavior is economic behavior. The particulars may vary but competition for limited resources remains a constant. Need as well as greed has followed us to the stars and the rewards of wealth still await those wise enough to recognize this deep thrumming of our common pulse.

Civirgin
>I love computers because they automate the tedious stuff and give us time for more important things like market manipulation.

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The interludes certainly try to drive home the point that humans and Progenitors cannot coexist under the same roof. Deceased humans get processed into jelly and chopped into cubes for some disgusting purpose (I don't think they mention eating) when an alien faction conquers a human base. Not that humans in Alpha Centauri wouldn't commit horrible atrocities, with Genejacks, retroviruses, and using Mindworms against each other.

>On the upside, they want to unite and preserve humanity

I don't know man. Morgan seems to think that resources exist to be consumed, rather than leave anything for some forgotten future generations.

Probably.

What is he up to these days?

I hate how tongue and cheek everything has become. It's a sign of a culture that doesn't care about its own continuation.

A lot of games and genres have regressed greatly and lost features and options present decades ago

>We will never get an improved Civ II that incorporated SMAC mechanics and more than seven civs at a time

Yes, I'm a boomer.

And then there's features that we first got in SMAC that we now no longer have. Like Social Engineering. Fuck that deck building government shit.

How shitty nukes are still pisses me off, especially compared to fucking planetbusters

Nukes IRL wouldn't take out parts of continents though, even Hiroshima and Nagasaki are livable again.

Of course, but when a nuke just takes out half the population and throws some pollution around, thta's shit

The whole removal of the tile based weather, elevation, and forest types is a fucking crime. Imagine what climate change could be like if each tile's biome was dynamic? You farm a forest and turn it into a grassland, or overfarm it and turn it into a desert.

Why did OP post Ron Weasle daughter?

It's actually Mike Pence's daughter.

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He's naive.

Lal clones his dead wife and then raises the resulting child to be his new wife. Also the UN is a massive failure and doesn't protect anybody's rights, it just serves as a vessel for corrupt third world dictatorships to accuse everyone else of being corrupt and inhumane.

Earth's UN allowed Yang to come to power. Chiron's UN will likely do the same.

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Lal/Deirdre/Zakharov is the winning triumvirate as far as I'm concerned. They have the best characteristics and will temper each other's worse attributes.

>not Morgan

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Why are blue-collar workers called drones? Sounds dehumanizing and doesn’t fit the more “humane” factions

They're not the blue collar workers. They're below that.

The UN failed Earth, and he will defend that same failure on Planet.

They aren't blue collar workers. They are drifters, homeless, NEETS, the dregs of society.

iirc, the lore said they were basically lazy and shiftless and they all had guns.

>Now it's day and night the irons clang, and like poor galley slaves
>We toil and toil, and when we die, must fill dishonored graves
>But some dark night, when everything is silent in the town
>I'll shoot those tyrants one and all, I'll gun the flogger down
>I'll give the land a little shock, remember what I say,
>And they'll yet regret they've sent Jim Jones in chains to Botany Bay

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Is there any better feeling than probing the fuck out of University while you curbstomp the Hive with your righteous crusaders?

>he even has the fucking JUST haircut

Why is Yang so based?

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>Australian
Send him to the punishment ball

Also the license is held by this fuck who works for Zynga now. The only reason EA, current firaxis, or anyone has not yet fucked with SMAC is because legally they cant so long as this lardass sits on the IP and he has zero intention to make another 4x game so long as he holds zynga stock.

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AC is the only 4X game I can play. I'm pretty brainlet when it comes to those types of games so I dunno what it is about AC that keeps me coming back besides the setting.

He was one of the good ones, once. What drives a man to sell his soul like this?

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Tbh is if means no shitter studio will destroy its legacy, so be it.
As shitty as it sounds I’d rather put my faith in some indie studio to make an AC game.

It's the power of good writing, plus pretty deep gameplay, and good replayability once you understand how to play the game and start trying out different things.

that game was great. sad it never got a sequel

He was the creator and writer of the game though, what's wrong with that? Also current Firaxis and EA would botch a sequel.

Literally just so he can be his own boss. He later left to found his own company which makes even more Skinner mobile games and is now owned by Nexon.

Impressive that this was the guy who not only founded the company but basically did most of the work on this game.

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I guess the hope was for him to continue making good games.
But when you get old i guess you set your sights on retirement and getting the most money with less effort. Its the ambition that is lost with age.

Anybody have the cromartie high edit with all the faction leaders?

I see what you mean. I'm a huge fan of Reynolds, Civ II, SMAC and RoN were all great. I wish he would do more games like he used to do than mobile stuff.

I'm honestly ok with no SMAC sequel or remake because I genuinely think the original game was perfect as it is and am leery how a current year version would go. Worse than BE probably.

doke doke doke!

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>But the fascinating thing about this is that Miriam is totally and completely right. The player knows that the game is about to end, which will quite literally end her fictional world.
That's fucking stupid.

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Noice, thanks user.

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What's the best social engineering combination, in your opinion?

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Got the one text post explaining how Miriam turned out to be the least creepy faction leader in the end?

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>Not Lal/Miriam/Morgan

>American civ
There is no American civ. They state in the intro each faction is divided by ideology instead of nationality.

You do have a point with the writing. I have a bad habit of skimming over whatever new research I get in the games I played and just look at stats not really understanding what they'd do, but with AC I took the time to read/listen and figure out exactly what those stats affect.

Also, probably the main reason it won me over was that I could nuke a city and it'd affect the entire planet instead of just one tile. I remember being surprised to see a city I built being submerged from the resulting sea levels because I wasn't used to that level of detail. I dunno if other strategy games do this but AC was the first instance of detail I didn't see in games like the later Civ titles.

Can’t find it, must not have that one.

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I got you senpai.

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6 with GS and RaF is better. District system is too good to not have.

Would be interested in reading that but I'm guessing it boils down to she was the only one that didn't want to become an immortal psionic cyborg freak?

Is the thing around his next meant to be a slave collar?

Districts need some work in my opinion. It'd be nice if they only took half a tile, so you could double up.

Nvm, there it is

That would be way too busted, and would only really work as a late game tech.

Having a faith bonus and a science bonus from a Uni/Holy Site would be way too good.

But it'd be more historical. Most universities were originally religious institutions. I think as the tech tree moves forward, you have to start splitting up the districts in order to gain full bonuses; as well as to simulate urban sprawl. Right now, the sprawl is way too early.

Alternatively, change the way the map seed works because I find any map size other than large to be way too cramped with districts involved.

I feel bad for Morganites, great personality but they get cucked hard in-game.

We have a few more posts to go friend.

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Pretty much every faction gets cucked in game in some capacity.
>Miriam's AI is bloodthirsty and nobody shares her affinity for fundamentalist, so she dies in an early game war
>Zakharov gets his ass spread wide by probe teams
>Gaia can get steamrolled by an early rush, and is too democracy crazy to be friends with anyone other than
>Lal will fail in his quest to unite the planet unless he gets a pop lead
>Santiago is surprisingly impotent
>Morgan is underdeveloped because the economy isn't complex enough for his capitalist schemes, would work better in Victoria 2

I think the only one not cucked is Yang, who is always OP in all the games I've played.

No, I think we're good.

We just keep tumbling down

Funny that it doesn't mention Zakharov. He didn't seem too bad from quotes and doesn't like mindworms that much. Of course he's no doubt guilty of unethical experiments and obsessively pursuing knowledge regardless of its potentially horrifying applications (retroviral gene plagues come to mind).

That's always been the worst part of V to me, it's even worse than 1upt because 1upt for all its flaws was added because Jon Schafer thought (wrongly) that it would improve civ whereas global happiness was added only because the peabrains on the CivV team thought that managing cities was too hard. It fucked the game's balance in so many ways, until BNW it actually encouraged iceball spam because happiness was easy to game and even shitheap cities were worth it then they had to nerf happiness to be semi-global and finally tie beakers to population so it's at where you're saying now where you camp on 4 cities and stop (in a 4x game). Just mind-bogglingly stupid and most of VI is trying to make any sense of this mess.

I patiently await the day for 1upt's removal. We can at least have a compromise like 3upt or such.

Nukes back then.
Nukes today would leave a crater where a city i suppose to be.

I'm surprised they didn't bring back armies from Civ III, that would also work as a compromise.

Jon Shafer said he reworked the 1upt system to allow multiple upt if supply lines are right but I don't want to buy At The Gates.

>RFC
Top fucking taste. Regular and Dawn of Civilization RFC are the main reason I play Civ4, and unmodded BTS is my favourite in the series

Wait a minute that sounds familiar...

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>not Fall From Heaven 2
At least we can both agree that IV was peak Civ.

I wish we got IV remade with some updated graphics and mechanics.

It'd be impossible now. Better graphics mean more third party licences, which make moddability next to impossible.

That's a shame, imagine the best civ game with more befitting graphics. Gamebryo games look like crap.

I'm not big on high fantasy, but it's still a fun mod.

Would a remake still capture the soul of Civ4 if it updated the graphics and introduced 1upt and hextiles? That would eliminate stack of doom, which feels like Civ4's biggest problem

>introduce 1upt
That's how you get CivV.
>hextiles
I'm actually okay with this.

>Would a remake still capture the soul of Civ4 if it updated the graphics and introduced 1upt and hextiles? That would eliminate stack of doom, which feels like Civ4's biggest problem

I was mainly thinking graphics and maybe more genuinely unique civilizations than the civ trait system but not 1UPT or hexes. I never got how everyone thought stacks were bad.

I can think of worse fates for Civ VII than being an "updated" Civ IV, they can keep hexes for that one though.

What are your thoughts about the Paean to SMAC?

Reference for the uninitiated: paeantosmac.wordpress.com

Doomstacks is a case where the cure (1UPT) is worse than the disease

>I never got how everyone thought stacks were bad.

In theory, a big enough stack eliminates the strategy from combat. It removes the interesting unit type advantages/disadvantages if you can just brute force enough random units into another stack/city. Not that anyone's forced to do it, but it sucks that it's the best strategy in the game (and is therefore the go-to in multiplayer).

It's not fun when the AI does it either, although I've never faced an AI stack that was too big to counter

The simple solution is limiting stack size or having some sort of supply system if there are too many units on one tile. Removing stacks completely just fucked up the game in all sorts of horrible ways.

Has everyone forgotten that SMAC had solved the stack problem? Units blew up on death, damaging everything on their tile. A stack, no matter how big, would be wiped out after losing just a few battles.

Doesn't make sense if it's spearmen. Although I want to think that CivIV had something similar...

The Spartans were killed by the Gaians, as implied in the tachyon field quote. Miriam commited suicide-by-teleporter. Zakharov tried to exterminate the mind worms then tried to Ascent when that failed, but was beaten to it by Deirdre, the canonical winner. Was there confirmation for the fate of the other faction?

That could just be considered a mass rout tho.

No, they just stop being relevant I suppose.

>canonical winner
That's kinda missing the point of the game. The point is that ANY of their perspectives could lead to success or disaster.

That works well in a later time period setting with tanks and airplanes, but not so well in an early game of Civ with spears and crossbows. This guy had a simpler but better idea with limiting stack size (as an adjustable menu option I guess) - that mitigates the worst parts of stacking and 1upt

It can make sense with morale, either in addition to or instead of health.

Civ4 had siege engines damage everything in the defending stack. It worked almost as good, but it required suiciding quite a few to kill a decently sized stack. And it was capped, so you'd still need to kill everything one by one.

Yes, but some quotes are unambiguous. It's obvious Raynolds had a specific sequence of events in mind, he was just so good that it was far from the only plausible sequence.

It's fun to speculate a fleshed-out scenario though, even if it's one of many entirely possible scenarios where a different faction wins in a different way. Also what was the point of all Zakharov's investment in science if he was gonna be beaten to the punch in what is basically a science victory? I thought he would have been years or decades ahead of anyone else in the tech he would have needed to transcend.

Zakharov was missing one key ingredient: a relationship with the Planet. He treated it as a thing to conquer, and thus had to overcome its resistance towards him. Catch more flies with honey and all.

Not a fan of doomstacks but there's something really satisfying about sacrificing 3-4 siege engines to weaken a massive enemy stack, and then shredding that stack to nothing with 15+ consecutive combat victories

Serious question, is this game any good? DOes it have any ALpha Centauri staff on it?

Deidre was the only one who understood what the most powerful weapon on the planet was and how to use it. Zack thought she was a fool: he was still hung up on his science and technology. While the Gaians were playing 5D chess with an alien lifeform.

No, she was just a dumb hippie bitch who got lucky. If it was any other planet she would have done the exact same thing, and have been treated as the loon she was.

Deidre is just a whore for Planets hentai tentacle/worms
Fucking hippie

>wanting to merge with Planet

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I think it's implied, but never outright stated that Yang's hive just slowly North Koreaed and was obviously completely overwhelmed in Transcendence.

Ironically, I don't suppose Yang would hate that.

Miriam is basically a combination of all those things though. In a sense, she is the worst of them all.

So what actually happens to humans post-Transcendance? Every humans turned into energy beings? Or do they maintain their physical body but lost their respective individuality?

It's literally stated what happens in the epilogue. They spend some time in the LCL juice for a while, then get bored and rebuild Earth.

As I recall a lot of the leader's propagandist insults for each other turned out to be true in the end too. Like Deirdre really did turn out to be a crazy transhumanist wannabe dryad lady that would totally be down to run naked through the forest trying to be one with the earth.

But it wasn't any other planet. Making fun of someone's religion is awesome- until it turns out that their god is real.

Except there are hippies on Earth right now who think this planet is currently alive. And they're wrong. So no, I don't think that getting lucky is proof that their religion is valid; only that the Precursors were hippies too.

On this note Mirriam's god is proven to be false.

>Deirdre running naked on Planet mingling with mind worms
hot

>As I recall a lot of the leader's propagandist insults for each other turned out to be true in the end too.
Lal was the only one who knew where this shit was headed from day 1.

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Pretty much all politics related SMAC quotes were extremely prescient.

Yang literally gushes about transcendence in his very first quote. Not in the "merge with an alien planet god" sense, but it's still fun to note

I'm surprised it lasted this long

I plan to keep this thread going forever, of course. But barring that, I'd settle for a couple thousand posts. Even five hundred would be pretty nice.

Vox Populi is the only way to play Civ 5, but it basically just make the game a polished turd instead of a turd. In many ways Vox Populi enlarges the problems already present in the game and some of various buffs in the mod helps to further unbalance an already unbalanced game.

it's funny, but... I must dissent.

One thing that Miriam is not mistaken in the classical sense of human immortality. Flesh can rot, but an idea can live forever. Like this game, authors may already be dead, but the game conveys their ideas to future generations.

Human immortality opens up new possibilities for studying the universe, which is difficult to imagine now. Many processes in the universe last many billions of years, which one way or another requires human immortality.

Miriam’s greater fear is that immortality can disfigure a person’s soul if not destroyed. But the soul does not exist, it is only an idea transmitted to new generations. The player knows that the world of the game will live without him, and the universe will exist without people.

Stupid time
Prokhor Zakharov > Sister Miriam

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amazed this thread is still alive. A superb read too

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More people need to play Alpha Centauri

I spent like 15 years of my life thinking AC was an official Civ spinoff since the ending of Civ 2 had a colony go off to Alpha Centauri.

Hot Deirdre X mind worm tentacle hentai

>13 hours ago
there are still heroes left in man

Needs more hentai

Post porn

Miriam is for hand holding only.

I mean porn of Deidre

Also Miriam would rather BURN INFIDELS. And also worms. Fuck worms

hey guys maybe we should get back to the mission haha

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The UN is dead. Fuck off.

Dude, everytime some devs try to do this for Master of Magic, they fail horribly.

Based Lal

BUT
who killed the ship captain??

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santiago

EXPLAIN

Another one of his books is also the direct inspiration for Yang's faction, even down to copying some of the quotes.

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Huh. How similar ar ethe humans in that story to these humans:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalescent

Looks fairly similar actually.

i absolutely love reading about alpha centauri but the last time i tried playing it i think i was a brainlet middle schooler and never got anywhere

should i give it another go?

I'd say yeah, especially if you already know how to play Civilization.

So they also have queen sluts who are the breeders of the hive?

i do, but i barely played civ ii/iii and was never good at it

most of my experience is iv/v/vi and i dunno if it transfers

Yeah. One of the subplots involves one of them repeatedly escaping the Hive and messing everyone's plans up because she gets addicted to outsider luxuries and accidentally fucks a guy to death

I wonder how long the gestation is. In Coalescent, the breeders usually get fucked once and the sperm is kept in a packet within the uterus, allowing constant pregnancy. Newborns come out within 4 months, allowing them to keep producing children even into old age.

alien crossfire makes this game bad but base SMAC is one of the best written things in videogames ever

Just started playing the game a few weeks ago after picking up from GoG.
I had no idea I was missing out on one of the fucking best and deep strategy games.
Hell I even tried to go find the novels for the game but they don't make them anymore which is a shame.
Ill have to check out the Herbert novels mentioned in the thread though.

Lem's Solaris was a big influence obviously

Because drones aren't the plumbers and electricians. Hell, they're probably not even the janitors and trashmen. Drones are the welfare queens, criminals, and other net maluses on a community. Those who actively drain on a society's ability to do work and are generally incapable of doing any kind of labor beyond the most menial. Drones are the ones you shove into a factory to shuffle carts of iron ore around all day. Drones are the guys who sit right next to a conveyor belt picking out the flawed toys or pieces of candy. They do one really simple task all day for years on end that a machine could do better but nobody has seen the point in investing in that yet.

The manual has a suggested reading section near the back.

I honestly believe the pirates can work if you focus on them through the lens of rebelling against Santiago's autocracy under the guise of her own quotes
It is altogether fitting that we who have sailed the deeps of space now return again to the sea. This is in many ways a water planet, and it can be ruled from the waves. With sea power, rugged terrain can be bypassed and enemy strongholds isolated. Once naval superiority is achieved, Planet is ours for the taking.
Col. Corazon Santiago, "Planet: A Survivalist's Guide"
Accompanies the Secret Project "The Maritime Control Center"

A ship at sea is its own world. To be the captain of a ship is to be the unquestionable ruler of that world and requires all of the leadership skills of a prince or minister.
Col. Corazon Santiago, "Leadership and the Sea"
Accompanies the Doctrine: Initiative technology

Focus on the pirates that every single ship is its own unique entity and that its bases are just agreed upon sanctuaries where these crews can come together for greater glory or rest.

Zhakarov got fucked by demon boil pops in the late game. He was so focused on the pure science of it that he never developed a relationship with Planet. Combine that with a last minute blitz between him and his gravships against Morgan's last minute buyout and probably some of Diedre's locusts, he couldn't swing.
>Ironically, I don't suppose Yang would hate that.
Yang was one of the first to be eliminated, having pissed off everyone. But, in his own way, Yang was the only other winner aside from Diedre. Not only were his great and terrible works permanently integrated into the remaining factions, such as the genejacks, but it was his philosophy that was the core of Ascendance: not hippy-dippy one with natureness but that all humanity is one organism with the individuals only serving the greater whole. Though Yang would never live to see it, he was right the whole damn time.

Also Solaris by Stanisław Lem

>I thought he would have been years or decades ahead of anyone else in the tech he would have needed to transcend.
Scenario was set up from the start in a way that hippies would win. Humans crash landed on alien device that leads to Type I civilization on Kardashev scale.

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Mind worms

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What did the guy who made the tune do?

I imagine it was spammed with quotes from the game.

So aliens created the fungus or merely found it?

I thought it was a neat lifeform, it being artificial really takes away all the wind from the sails.

>try AC
>the game is obtuse and literally plays itself
>uninstall it after a few hours
I'll just play COL I guess.

BURN THEM

>tfw have a friend who likes civ, hard sci-fi and philosophical musings on future technology
>tfe he complained about civ V being more of a tabletop game than a simulation with multiple options for roleplay
>tfw he only plays multiplayer games, with friends
>tfw he's a huge graphicsfag and can't stand 2D and ugly UIs
>I can't convince him to even try out SMAC
This is a surreal kind of torture.

It's unknown whether Progenitors are its original creators or they found creation of even more ancient race. Ecosystem of Chiron didn't evolve naturally.

The Manifold Caretakers referred to Tau Ceti Flowering. Seems like merging with a Panetary AI was not a new thing to them

They just do

Yes and they speak about it with terror.

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How hard can it be? Look at starcraft remaster, polished up graphics, same gameplay and writting. Just add a bit of polish to the UI and controlls so it's not so archaic and BAM you make a rough gem into a flawless gem.

Faggot.

thank you for your useless blog post, reddit moron

>Grow up playing AC
>Always hear how great CIV is
>CIV seems like a dumbed down AC
I could never fully appreciate any of the CIV games just because Alpha Centauri was so god damn amazing

Forgot to say "objective morals"

Some rando nihilistic bitch who wanted the mission to fail and Humanity to die