4 hours to learn how to backdash

here it is user

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i always tought its fun, but i hate this new rock-paper-scissors thing thats going on, at least its not as frenetic as other fighting VGs

that looks pretty good

thanks, its just, wood, acrylic and an image i found on google

>4 hours
yeah you're definitely gonna be kbd into whiff punishing with THAT time investment

>4 hours
imagine thinking that's a lot of time for a competitive game. i have hundreds of hours in tekken and i'm dogshit at it. thousands in dota 2 and i'm not much better.

i dont think i can get that good, but i will try, i will keep trying, i spent almost 200 hours training with karin in SF5 i can do a little bit to learn a little bit of tekken, its not something i dislike

im just pointing out ONE mech, i mean...if its taking me this long just to do one thing a little bit right imagine the other things, i dont even have someone to learn yet...i was thinking about geese

what do you think about geese for newbies user ?

Learn at your own pace dude.

Gookken 7 is the most soulless fighting game ever made.

Nothing compared to master just defended in garo

youtu.be/Z94hIcRBRLs

It's even harder than street fighter 3.3.

I've been playing it on and off for about a year and a half, and I'm still not very good, but I can korean backdash consistently I'd say it will take a couple weeks to a month to get it down well enough to do it in matches without thinking too much about it.

this looks pretty amazing, it works like the just defend from samsho7 or it has some hidden tech behind it ?

I will say, once I learned what the inputs were for the fast backdashes in this game I immediately dropped it. That is just way too much bullshit on top of everything else in the game

there is honestly so much to learn in tekken a simple KBD is not even close to scratching the surface. and any character you like is a good character to learn with.

You clearly overestimate how technical your average tekken player is

im using the following 1 > 5 > 4
im doing it pretty consistently right now

Depends on if you wanna learn Geese or learn Tekken. The stuff you're gonna be reliant on with Geese isn't likely gonna be in the next tekken game, so either learn Geese with his specific mixups and meterburn pressure, or play Paul or Dragunov to learn the whole of Tekken.

Although I guess you'll learn enough from playing whoever to get an idea of what to do with any character.

there are two types of tekken characters

>mash strings in your face into a mixup
>jitter step back and forth in your face and hit you with a raw unreactable mid/low mixup

thank you user, i will try dragunov them...i want to grasp a little bit of the game instead of just ditching everything later on

Why backlash when you can just WR2 as drag?

The only good 3d fighting game is MK Deception.

there's tons of youtube vids on kbd and how to do it

Unless you're playing a character with a backsway (paul, bryan), I think the best way is back back, qcb, back, qcb, ect. ect.

you'll eventually get to a point where reverse edge basically ceases to exist, outside of getting free hits on the players who try to initiate it

man i looked that move its pretty cool, is it that good ?

>arbitrary amount of time to spend to learn how to do a command that's used by a good portion of the cast
oh no..?

why doesn't tekken just have a regular effective backdash?

Same but the timings are insane.

It is the single best approach tool in the game.

Is dragunovs' wr2 good?

oh you sweet summer child

plus frames on block, counterhit launcher, good tracking

Yes. Yes it's good. Get used to hitting forward really fast, you're gonna be point blanking kids with wr2 on drag

im just trying to learn it, i said to myself "just a little bit", im playing since 9 PM its already 3 AM where i live, i just took a time-out because my wrist is killing me right now

because legacy

Well I'll say it like this: playing this game on pad and learning what I need to do to backdashes fast made me drop the game. If I had a stick it would have been a different story

They really don't that often if you watch pros play. They might do 2 backdashes, or one or two wavedashes here or there, but you don't see them dashing all that much. It's just flashy shit, and you can't really position yourself well with it. Mastering backdash -> wavedash openers will do you more good.

>Just play the fucking game senpai
I went to a local and everyone dabbed on me, i might have to actuall lab even though i never do

yeah, im using a stick, maybe thats why i dont think its that bad for me, my friend was watching me do after i told him my inputs and he said it was already OK

it's easier to do on a pad for me, I actually prefer tekken on pad than stick

I don't think you look closely enough, the top players are doing it constantly.

It does. Just because advanced players like to backdash cancel a lot that doesn't mean that the regular backdash is any less effective in a low level match.

done on pad btw

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Well, that's 6 hours not 4. Other than that, if you're trying to learn fundamentals you'd be better off focusing on sidestepping and sidewalking.
There are a lot of people obsessed with kbd both online and off and because they haven't perfected the tech yet, more often than not you can just catch them with a long-reaching mid anyway.
You really shouldn't be focusing on kbd, or if you do, it should be about distance covered instead of amount/quickness of backdashes.

thanks, i will start doing this right now, target combos are "okish" to start ?

Everyone has an easier time on pad for tekken, that dude's just making excuses.

If you mean the combos they have for each character at the end of the move list, then no. Most characters have "staple" combos posted online. What character are you playing?

being able to backdash consistently opens up whiff punish opportunities you otherwise wouldn't have. Movement is everything in this game and being able to kbd is a game changer.

However, your other movement options shouldn't be neglected, you're gonna get crushed if you don't know when to sidestep even if you've mastered backdashing, because every green-rank Kazuya is gonna 50/50 you to death

one user recommended me dragunov, im testing him against kasumi

combos are honestly really easy to learn in Tekken 7.

launcher > floaters > screw > ender
launcher > floaters > screw > wall carry > ender
etcetc

and luckily for new players a lot of the characters in the game have the same moves.
uf4 being a hopkick launcher, df2 being a launcer, etc etc

everything is pretty similar between every character, just different properties.

and learning how to sidestep or walk moves is pretty difficult. but it makes sense which are linear and which aren't.

like if a character does a slash kick you can sidewalk that depending on the range, it's like a superman punch, they can't change trajectory mid air, so you can walk it.

I practised it for a good hour or two on pad and the amount of discomfort I had was too much to consider continuing. It felt completely unnatural to do even with the claw grip.

Didn't try on stick because I don't own one, so maybe it would have been even worse but I just imagine in my head doing it and seems like I would have had a better time with a stick.

Dragunov is good and his combos are easy.
Off his launchers (df2, qcf2, qcb2) you can do f4,4,3 > b4,3 > 4,4 for an easy 60-70 damage and you can basically mash it out.

you got baby thumbs or ogre thumbs? Also, I use a ps4 pad

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and people wonder why fighting games are trash and nobody buys them

My bad, it's f,4,4,3 > 4,4 > ff4 off launcher.

>people
You're not "people" casual, don't flatter yourself.

People like you are RETARDED

it's three inputs all movement if you can't kbd you're lost

And your still doing it wrong. its back then qbc

DUDE! IT LOOKS AMAZING!!! thanks man

>play one of the most underused characters in tekken 7.
>play 5-6 months with my friends who are high in ranking and know the fundamentals/frames by heart.
>constantly losing, slowly learning
>6 months past and I managed to get to raijin, join a small but active community, play local off/online tournaments, meet new friends and generally be respected for being one of the best eliza players in my community.

It's a good feeling and trust me, once you get good and not an asshole, you'll be respected in th tekken 7 community.
last major tournament, I got a photo with tasty steve.

electrics are better than sex itself

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Good for you, there's no tekken community in my whole fucking country it seems like. I've seen 2 players playing under my flag since the game's first year at EVO.

i'm in norcal, so i'd have to be TGP or some shit to be respected at my locals.

thats insane, i dont know if i will be able to do that, eletrics are one of those just frames arent they ?

>tfw the entire FGC praises this piece of shit franchise now because street fighter dropped the ball
please

anything else
literally any other game
I will not play this garbage

not 20 years ago, not now, not ever

No one cares.

you cared enough to reply, kekkenfaggot

the damage wasn't necessarily from the electrics, it was from the wall, floor break and rage drive.

k fag, thanks for your blogpost

just a reminder that if you're on keyboard kbd is so easy that you can unironically learn it in 2 minutes
hold back all the time, then tap down then forward

SC6 is great, but the online mode is utter shit

Replies are easy and free. Do you feel like people calling you a faggot is some kind of victory? Here's another faggot.

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just some simple 2d calculus senpai

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get in there and grind out those electrics so you can do it again tomorrow

im on stick, i built this one just for tekken, i gave my old one to my nephew, gonna teach him how to fighting VG

Watch Aris' videos, he has a damn solid Dragunov , is a library Tekken knowledge and is actually funny

aris = avoiding the puddle, right ?

mishima players are such fucking fags lmao

You're never getting respected at norcal if you think people will respect you based on online rank

I've been playing Tekken for 24 years and I barely ever actually use BDC and when I do its usually just instinct. Just play the fucking game and stop pretending to be some high-tier player that you'll never ever be.

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You're just jealous of our respect,discipline and focus bitch.
Or whatever the fuck TMM says.

Yeah, he has tons of good videos on YouTube for learning Tekken. Entertaining and concise

thanks, im doing just that now, im trying to learn some basic combos now, having a lot of trouble with inputs dude

you don't really need to do the whole fancy korean backdash
a normal backdash cancel is 90% as good
so just back, (back, quarter circle back) loop
and even then you won't know when to do that for another like 10 hours, so don't worry about it yet
backdash cancel is 100% useless unless you're using it to whiff punish, which is very very hard until you're used to your opponents moves

lmao nah, that attitude is just so fucking corny and somehow EVERY SINGLE Mishima player has it. I've played T7 for like 400 hours and have yet to meet a cool Mishima player

what i did to get used was just DB > neutral > B
and i had my KBC, got used doing that

all fighting games are the same lol, your entire genre is trash, fight me irl

i've never not played online, so i don't even have a gauge for what people respect offline.

healing with red parry is an interesting concept

Winning locals

Shits inefficient and means you are dedicating twice the inputs to cancelling your dash, irrelevant for our level of play but there's no farm in constantly trying to aim just for the d/b input.

>tekkucks lie and try to claim kekken is the only game with back dash cancel
>turns out lots of games have back dash cancel

>tekkucks lie and try to claim kekkens back dash cancel is hard

>turns out you can back dash cancel in kekken by just mashing down and back with no timing or anything

Literally just a casual button masher

Deep breaths it'll all be ok

that’s a nice stick

>twice the inputs
>irrelevant for our level of play
Dude it's irrelevant for all levels of play because the number of inputs has nothing to do with your KBD speed. You can macro every input to cycle pefectly every 1 frame and you wouldn't get anywhere because the whole thing is dependent on timing, not speed

Just let the guy do what he feels is most comfortable

>when you are so shit at fighting games baby shit like tekken is the only thing you can play
Its not fair fellow tekkincels i wanted to play SFV but im just too dumb... its not fair!

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It's way easier on keyboard/mix box
But yeah. Mainman is an OG. When he is on then his kazuya puts out extreme pressure.

No, dedicating time towards both d and d/b gives your opponent more opportunity to hook you with a mid while you are in a crouching state.
It's directly linked to the quality of your backdash and the more time you put into cancelling it the worse it is, to also claim this isn't relevant and consistently done at the top level of play is stupid.

Is there a fighting game where I am not required to spend tens of hours to learn some obscure movement inputs?
Maybe Soul Calibur 6?

Ye

Reminder

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It's just a shame that execution is nearly all he's good at. If he put that much effort into matchup experience instead of alt f4ing characters he's unfamiliar with, he'd make a decent competitive contender

Flappy Fighter

He's here.

Sorry bro, SC has crouch dashes and just-frames. If you want an execution-less FG, play Samsho

>TMM
Lmaoooooo
clips.twitch.tv/ArbitraryRudeDeerKlappa

Looking forward to him drowning in pools to some Eliza

Most just-frames in SC are easy or optional

Reminder

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right on cue, Nubi

Dunno man, instant GDR was pretty tough to land 100% of the time on Cervantes. And that shit is used in every single combo he has.
Then Siegfried had that crazy just-frame move that's ultra fast and with buffering you can make it easier. It seems like a worthwhile thing to master since it increases your damage output.

So is KBD bro but you're ducking it all the same

Yea Forums opened up my eyes to the kind of dedication an autist is capable of when his favorite fighter gets insulted and dies

Button mashing will do _something_, but a masher will still always lose to anyone who knows even the slightest bit about the game.

Watch this video:
youtube.com/watch?v=_R0hbe8HZj0

>when you play the most dumbed down fighting game ever made, and instead of actually learning how to play a real fighting game you spend your time trying to trick people into thinking your baby game for casuals is hard

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Mishima players tend to resemble their character.

Nigga you're responding to someone who has been posting these images for years now.

We'll see how he does at EVO.

SHILLING KUSOGE IN THE HOT SUN

I FOUGHT SFV AND SFV WON

I FOUGHT SFV AND SFV WON

I NEEDED PLAYERS BECAUSE I HAD NONE

I FOUGHT SFV AND SFV WON

I FOUGHT SFV AND SFV WON

I PLAY A BABY MASHER AND IT FEELS SO BAD

GUESS MY SERIES IS DONE

MIKE ROSS SAID THE GAME WAS BAD

I FOUGHT SFV AND SFV WON

I FOUGHT SFV AND SFV WON

I FOUGHT SFV AND SFV WON

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He'll be disqualified for trying to plug a Lei player in real life

I agree with the part about how you should play VF

I don't understand trolls bashing on Tekken. Are SFkeks still salty that their game is such a disappointment and no amount of dlc characters will fix it?

Virtua Fighter is the only fightan game where I got moderately competent, apart from playing Kazuya in tekken, I liked it more, shame I no longer own my old 360 to play a game.

No it's a bloody roar fag keep up with the lore

Imagine playing a shallow casual button masher like kekken, lmao

If you're beginner in Tekken backdash cancelling isn't that high of a priority. Of course you'll want to learn it eventually but you're better off spending that effort learning how to apply your character's keepout, whiff punish, and mixup tools.

now that our local autist showed up I started to wonder about something
there's side tourneys for almost every fighter known to man at evo but how come I've never seen furry roar being played? If melty blood players can do just fine with being cramped up in a bathroom then I'd imagine there's at least two people at the venue who would be into it

>4 hours
LMAO no anyone can literally do it just by mashing this was my first attempt, literally zero skill required.

Literal baby game

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tekken is a button masher

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>good tracking
No you don't you fucking faggot, you're not going to fool him too.
twitch.tv/videos/448120839?t=00h54m27s

You only really need to be able to backdash cancel like once the majority of the time

It's such a satisfying game to learn things in. Best animations of any fighting game, too

I like and I play it in my local area when I can, but I hate the online, it's ass.

key word, might.

Hope's for season 3?

more than 1 non legacy character

The only people that play Tekken nowadays are the zoomers that started playing by arcades or hangouts with their bros on PS1/PS2 and learnt pretty much everything by just playing the fucking game for tens of thousands of hours
However, learning the basics doesn't take that long, and nonetheless you're learning and pulling off pretty much all of it in actual matches or just fucking around with arcade/story
I'll never understand people that unironically ""lab"" in fighting games for more than maybe 10 minutes to test some dumb shit out, just play the fucking game and learn by getting your shit kicked in you stupid fucking baby
Tekken specially is so fucking easy literal third worlders top the competitive scene thanks to their brown, hairy beer guts being the perfect support for their worn down, stolen sticks

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One of the only true just frames are pewgf and jfsr imo

They are literally ZERO "just frames" in tekken, the game is a casual button masher and it has a huge input buffer

xd

>When your game is so shallow a DP is considered complex
LMAO, cant make this shit up.

If fighting games like Tekken were so easy then fighting games would be as successful as Fornite instead of it being in the poverty esports that it is.

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If you weren't so retarded, you would know an electric isn't a DP.

just button mash and you can beat 90% of pro players

He's a worse figure than i expected, he has no respect for the other fighting games as he says to like Tekken and hate the other fighting games for no reason.

Tekken is popular because it's simple and easy. Smash is even more popular because it's braindead simple.
DoA for instance has a deep and intricate system and because of that DoA is rather former than latter.

almost all tekkenfags have a massive inferiority complex brought on by the fact that they know their game is a casual button masher.

KBD takes no more than a couple of minutes to learn. How do people have such a hard time with this shit?

Isn't the input just 4145 repeat?

Sure thing user, button mashes win Tekken majors all the time because it's so easy.

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44144144

Why is fighting game terminology so fucking retarded?

especially funny because it's always the same people in top 5

looks great. is it that easy to make your own stick?

Unless your character has a back-sway it is absolutely trivial. Even with one you can still find sloppy ways to do it. Its difficulty has been blown out of proportion.

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what is retarded about calling "comboing taunt into jet upper" taunt jet upper?

How to spot the Arisfan
>Rude and likes only Tekken 7, whom they praise as the best fighting game of the series and of all history
>As such they get extremely triggered if you say something bad to the game
>Hates all the other fighting games and the previous installments of the same series
>Likely does not like Mainman for doing legacy video about the series
>Despises casuals, single player modes, characters endings, requires you to show you are a Tekken God to attract their attention

Its funny because that is literally what happened, multiple times.

>When your game is so shallow some random literal who wins your world tour event button mashing with a joke furry character.

>When your game is so shallow some random literal nobody from pakistan randomly shows up and beats all your best players at EVO by button mashing

>When your game is so shallow even the developer says he made the game for button mashing casuals

jivers seething lmfao

Pretty sure it's also the most balanced fighter this gen while also having the most amount of offensive/defensive options.

>Balanced
>Anna
Pick one

I like other games but still think Swe is a faggot

>Thinking matchup knowledge as skill.
>Thinking developer programmed strings as execution
>Thinking average move count of 70 to 110 is shallow.

Man fighting game threads here really are made up by envious wannabes.

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man the jivers have been really rabid lately. is it because they jobbed to tekken and smash this year? are they getting even more desperate now they can see the end? i imagine the leak didnt help. the only good part of it was honda and it leaked like 5 days early. the hype levels are going to be at 0 for SFV top 8. literally every jiver is going to hang themselves if Problem X, Punk, Tokido, Daigo, Bonchan and Momochi don't make top 8 because without the characters the gameplay isn't compelling.

to say nothing of the animefags who have toiled in obscurity for decades and always will be the joke of the FGC. imagine hanging around that long talking about how great your airdasher button mashers are and when SF falls and you might get a shot at the big time, Tekken steps in and takes the title

big oof. no wonder youre all so mad about the glorious rise of Tekken

amazing offline, but absolutely garbage online

Arisfan spotted

>tekken
>literally every character plays 100% exactly the same
>matchup knowledge
LMAO

Play a real fighting game.

>competitive tekken fans probably like aris too

Holy shit, get a load of Sherlock Holmes over here! this guys a genius. how has the zodiac killer never been found out with megabrains like you in the world

>SC6 is great, but the online mode is utter shit

I tend to find that's only a problem with low level players. Those that are above E rank online is great, probably due to the fact they pay for good internet.

dlc leak hurt u bad huh

>probably
They do, i expected better from arrogant people

He's a blood roar fan not street fighter fan, i hope you remember that.

the online player base for SC6 is small and the netcode is shit. the game is finely balanced to the point that introducing network lag ruins it. play online and all you see are unga Talims, Geralts, 2Bs, Raphs etc, mashing characters.

Oh, it's you again
Seek help

I play SC6 online all the time, again the problem mainly lies with the internet providers of the individuals.

Haha, yeah, you got it buddy. Insane! Hey, while you're here, can I interest you in some Virtua Fighter?

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I'm not the same who guy who made fgc containment board, you are mistaking me for someone else. Take a rest, too much competitive can hurt.

Those still exist? That's kinda cringe ngl

t. lives in california, the only part of the world that still has a SC scene

I'm a bong.

>Furry Roar

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>SF DLC
OG and new characters, stuff people wanted

>tekken dlc, more clones and cup noodle hats

L M A O

>literal who randomly button mashing bear beats "best tekken player in the world"
what a shitty casual game LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

He's going all out.

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Imagine playing a game where the developer himself said it was a casual button masher, yikes!

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tekkucks getting extra angsty today after SFV got based DLC and kekken once again got nothing.

guma :-DD

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Why not increase the speed of backdash and get done with it? i played against people with 1000+ wins in casual matches and they dont do KBD at all.

Holy samefag.

What is the best 3D game right now?

>Why not increase the speed of backdash and get done with it?
Get done with what? By your account no one even uses it so what would be the point?

They already nerfed KBD's speed and increased backwalking speed. They don't need to do much else.

>202 posts
>75 posters
ScottishOwl samefagging the shit out of his thread in a desperate attempt to get people to play his trash casual button mashing game again.

>be obvious samefag
>call out samefag
Hilarious. Here is reply.

I refuse to go back to Tekken 7 until they add Bruce, the coolest Tekken character

Also fuck josie :)

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Take your meds ScottishOwl

Is that a member of your discord that you dislike or something? Please get off the internet or at least this site you crazy fuck, there's enough of you to go around already.

I hope they reboot the series when they are done with the T8 and the Kazama story, I need another T3 with new generation of characters and big gameplay changes

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I can KBD on a xbox controller as a completely new fighting game player with 100 hours on Tekken. It's not as clean as good players but the actual input is not too hard.

All you want is his b2.

Imagine wanting this useless fighter back
>Character is a comical sumo wrestler
>Not interesting moveset, started as a Jack clone with sumo moves
>Joke character with a silly plot about him falling in love with Michelle and Julia, who does not love him
>Only a small minority plays him
>Has barely any canon interactions with anyone
Hell, at this point Kunimitsu is a better choice than him

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>I can KBD on a xbox controller
You lie, that Dpad's inputs are literally fucking random. Unless the xbone controller is better I suppose, only ever tried the wired 360 one.

Scottishowl going full autsim mode lmao

Nobody wants him, imagine the reaction if they showed his trailer at EVO.

Kunimitsu and Bruce will generate a lot of hype

Rage was a mistake.

The Xbone, the 360 controller is unuseable. The xbone pad is nice because it lets you "roll" your thumb since the input plastic is one piece instead of separate pieces like playstation, but that's just habit.

>Kunimitsu

Oh god fighting this bitch is going to be so annoying, in Tag 2 she had million launchers and stances, also that damn fire move with long range

I JUST WANT A FUCKING TEKKEN COLLECTION WITH ONLINE MODES

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Which guest character do you want?

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Understandable
Kiryu

Playing any of those older Tekken games online would be fun until you realize they're unbalanced as all hell and have a shit ton of Touch of Death Combos.

It's strange how VF has a reputation of being harder than Tekken when it doesn't require you to learn movement techniques, has more forgiving inputs and an enormous input buffer, and is designed around universal rules so matchups are easier to learn.

I want a complete retelling of the Tekken story using the Tekken 8 engine with era specific customs like young versions of characters and King 1

This actually what tekkucks actually believe

Actually? Like actually actually?

Too much SOUL

VF is weird because the characters' fronts don't always face the screen, so moves and combos have different properties depending on whether the character has their left or right foot forward.

That's hardly insane, watch this: youtube.com/watch?v=7AYkfX2KZfs
If you're having fun, you can do anything.

It used to be that some characters like Brad or Jacky would actually have different moves depending on if they were in open or closed stance.

It truly would be too much to ask wouldn't it?

They act like it's all about the fgc and story mode us pointless but they made it good it'd sell double as much.

Look at the netherealm games. TERRIBLE fighting games but massive sales cause people enjoy the mk lore.

Trust bryan to bring a mini gun to a formal dinner.

>Heihachi's VA is dead
>Bryan's VA can no longer do his voice
TFW your favorite characters will never speak again.

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that's fucking impossible, i just back qbc back and it's good most of the time. it only doesn't work when i play backsway characters, but i don't like those characters to begin with.

>the top Koreans are doing it constantly
ftfy

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>Not a word about Anna's rocket launcher even though she's way more visible
Nice double standard, you cretin.

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you have no idea what youre talking about

it's still a pretty overrated "skill". it's way more important to understand basic punishment, which people forego to practice electrics and backdashing.

imagine being a faggot and waiting until after evo 2k19 to finally get on the tekken train

Talking shit is funny

He's more of a Soulcaliburfag than Tekkenfag, and he's played Third Strike on stream quite a few times. The only fighting game he doesn't seem to like is SFV, which pretty much seems to be common sentiment.

how could jargon pertaining to something like fighting games not sound fucking retarded, you fucking retard?

Not about tekken but is it me or is SF3 not as good as people say it is? I never cared for the input memes, but when the character I was playing had half-circles for most of their movelist, I couldn't think of a reason why it couldn't be quarter circles. Also, the pressure is weird with the addition of parries and how throws work. But the worst of it, to me, was hitconfirms. I know combos are reward for bigger damage, but when I have to buffer the next move without knowing the prior one landed or not, it really fucking sucks.

What happened to Bryans VA?

Atleast he never spoke or anything.

>SC, DOA
Surprisingly, those games become boring pretty fast. I think hard movement is what makes Tekken intresting.

i can ewgf, pewgf, kbd, otgf etc
i still suck at the game

Literally what the fuck that webm is supposed to show?

MOVEMENT BAD
POINT BLANK MASH GOOD

Every Mishama player is a braindead imbecile. It's like their brain is rotting in real-time, while they are playing.

seething electriclet

Do you sidestep opponents moves consistedly?

not really. only when its really obvious or when i can be punished

No they don't

I have pretty much zero experience with fighting games and I don't know where to start with tekken, it's intimidating. What should I focus on learning as a brand new player? Is KBD really that important? I don't want to be the best of the best any time soon, right now I just want to be able to hop online and have a chance of winning. Just want to play pretty casually for now.

focus on learning a few basic punishes and spacing. that alone will get you to blue by beating launcher spammers online

Learn your punish moves and what works where

If a Bryan does snake edge on you and you don't punish it after blocking he'll keep on doing it. If you punish him accordingly he'll probably never do it again.

Punishing doesn't just give you a chance to do some damage but also conditions your opponent to stop the high risk high reward moves.

but after you learn it you will be able to play tekken 8, tekken9, tekken X, tekken 11, tekken 12 , tekken tag tournament 3, tekken 13 , tekken 14 and even tekken 15,

because namco understands that TEKKEN is a cherished and beloved legacy game with legacy mechanics and rewards legacy skill

unlike some other shitty company that should not be mentioned

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>he thinks an electric is a dp

Tekken and most fighting games are like a sport. Every one who starts doesn't know and can't do shit. Putting in time and taking productive steps towards improvement and understanding of the game is what is important.

Eh, I would classify stuff like ECD and EDC as movement techniques. Defensive ones, sure, but still movement techniques.

You sound mega butthurt

as a SF player since CVS2 for the xbox and a 3rd strike main since super SF4 dropped.

im happily playing TEKKEN and look at this game and Street Fighter and say to myself "what the fuck capcom lol"

>more people are playing a casual fighting game than a non-casual fighting game
whoa

Is it really one sad human being spamming anti tekken pastas?

drop tekken and play some KoF, the best fighting game series ever

why does Yea Forums get triggered by tekken so much?

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cuz its gay

>those samsho numbers

why, its somehow more clunky than SFV.

Bandwagoners

good luck beating one of the top players with mashing buttons

being easy to play != badly designed.

somehow capcom manages to do both

Dumbass

Got older and forced his voice in the past, its the same Captain Falcon Smash va being unable to do his voice anymore and for that Smash recycles his sounds.

He does this for free for years. Fuck off with replying.

that's not terminology you retard that's literally what the moves are called
bryan's taunt, which you combo into a move called "jet upper"
it's not a fuckin term.

Wouldn't mind a Jojo character, Joseph would work really well in tekken.

>reboot a fighting game
What's the point? What the everloving fuck is the point in this? Goddamn this some ignorant shit, user.

Someone has not heard about MK9.

why is Yea Forums full of these little defensive babies who have no respect for opinions

you defend these fucking devs and games until their final hour for what? because youre afraid the thing you spent hundreds of hours still sucking at will be for naught? grow some facial hair and get some sunlight. youre lucky your father decided to squeeze a load into your mother

>When your game is so shallow some random literal who wins your world tour event button mashing with a joke furry character.
lmao, literal casual button mashing kusoge.

Regardless of anything, that sounds like some dumb shit too.
>make new fighting game entry
>said game expands, changes, builds upon older mechanics
>make it take place in the same as an earlier game, with the same story
>this is somehow a good idea

What the user said about having other characters, that sounded kinda cool, but then it wouldn't be a reboot IMO.

>Implying current Tekken story is any better
>Implying stages can't be reworked, but still keep the old setting

mike ross looks so ugly and effeminate. fuckin weak ass light skinned ass nigga lmao

1. Pick a character you like
2. Learn to KBD. Learn how to KBD out of pressure
3. Learn how to punish
4. Learn your launchers
5. Learn your setups into +frames or Launchers
6. Learn your combos

You'll be good to go if you do this.

Its just building muscle memory. It only starts off hard when you are not used to doing it. Aftering getting a few things like kbd and punishes it becomes easier and easier to add something to it.

>spend hours in training mode practicing
>still lose to paul/kazuya/DJ mashing unreactable 50/50s into 90% combos
OH NO NO NO NO

My gripe here is that I can find no reason to do so.

WHY would they do that? It's just pandering. Revisiting old stages and characters is cool I would love for Jun and her stage to come back but it still seems silly to remake an older game. What may come close, is having a legacy mode where a bunch of moves and mechanics are removed/changed, so it plays like an older installment.

Besides that, I myself have no interest in remaking older games. I want to know reasons.

>2D fighters
yikes

Hahahaha

stop doing useless shit and learn the basics first.

learn your moves, their frames and some bread and butter combos for few launchers and start playing the game. Learn how to get up from the ground, learn how to block, learn how to break throws, learn how to punish.

Virtua Fighter is an underwater janky waste of time

Fuck you

Except it's a sport played by 20 autists around the world at most.

Stick to Maplestory or whatever you came from, jesus.

It's just that one autist reposting the same copypastas and pictures everytime

LMFAO

Why do pools have hundreds of entrants, that's weird
Shitposting has gone up ever since capccks got bored of playing DMC5 for the 10th time. Don't worry, maybe evo has a good announcement for you

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>learn the basics first
Tekken has no fundamentals.

A single blocked hellsweep leads into a full combo
A helsweep that hits you deals less than half of a shitty combo
You can just sidestep launch all hellsweeps too
I believe in you, user

>dude just guess right on a 50/50
wow is that all I have to do? insightful...

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well, yes. your webm isn't really an argument otherwise.

He just held back and let Knee abuse him with the 50/50 when sidestep left beats both options.

A-user even if you flipped a coin every time you were blocking to decide you would get to win a match
Please try to react to stuff, tekken is a much slower game compared to 2d fightans as well

>Please try to react to stuff
hellsweep is unseeable

the other user is right. it's a core of 20 korean autists and a couple hundred children/niggers who don't really take the game that seriously but still enter pools because they're the best players among their friends. if you have any dignity you wouldn't get involved in "e-sports"

Pauls mixup is only a mixup if hes point blank with you. Backdashing makes it very hard to land a demoman. On that note much like Kaz, neither demo nor hellsweep will ever crush anything, so smothering them is always a decent idea.

nice opinion user. what a life changer.

you'd have more compelling arguments (or even one) if you actually partook in the community and knew what was going on, probably. like how the biggest threat isn't even a korean player at the moment.

but it's fine, it's Yea Forums. i didn't expect you to know what you're talking about, thanks for the laugh. kill yourself.

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>guess wrong on a 50/50
>take 90%

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>19f startup that doesnt even start directly in the middle
Good thing you arent playing GG or BB

the game has so much built-in input lag that it becomes unreactable

>paul uses deathfist
That's more like 90/10

lmao, literal casual button masher

that wasn't a 50/50

deathfist was guaranteed after ch at the wall

why am i replying

i barely played tekken but couldn't he do a wake up attack here to stop getting hit by that same attack every time?

user, that's not a 50/50. Thats a silly string that sucks ass and he got ched by it.
You cant react to bad moon mate. Fuck off.

the CH was the guess you retard

>pressing a button
>guessing
>the same thing
holy shit, user. you're really slow.

>stage select? lmao that shit's for smashbabbs
>accidentally get the epic DLC stage with a million walls instead of infinite azure
>take 95%

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That isn't even a 50/50. That is some guy mashing in the middle of a string.
Post footage of you blocking Kazuya's hellsweep on reaction

it takes some time, if you never done it before at least look someone doing first, when my dad was alive he ttaught me a couple of things on how to work with wood, after that i got the sizes from a madcatz and made one for myself, its WAAAAAY cheaper than buying one

Hang on bros, let me get out my 83 page google doc of strings and memorize them all so I don't get cheesed again

docs.google.com/document/d/1uSlTGr0XFkRS3q4uSMUecGcMbXOQa3hLJ46GqFHk3HI/

(doesn't even include lei btw so it's more like 100 pages)

He had many different options, but he just got up and held back

please stop. youre making yourself look stupid

This is your typical tekken player
youtube.com/channel/UCRtT23bWuaEpUSKwYKOkHgw

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or you could stop mashing buttons at the wall against paul with rage

wow bro, literally cope. or you could lab the string you mashed on like an ape and not get hit by it again.

seems too hard for you, here's a game way easier that doesn't need even 1/5th of the studying.

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>or you could lab the string you mashed on
aight, let me just check the replay to see what string it was

wait, tekken doesn't have replays...

Didn't relize depth was frowned upon in fighting games these days.

He attempted a single getup 3 but got hellsweeped at the wrong time and got scared. Probably was scared going in since its Knee.

>memorization of strings
>depth

damn bro, shame. my eyes and brain work so i remember how it looks.

maybe you should be playing league? there's literally hundreds of strings in tekken so i'm not sure why you'd pick it, knowing you have aspergers.

Yeah. Depth. I could tell you why but you are clearly not interested in actual discussion and rather just shitpost.

that isn't depth, it's breadth

be nice, user. capcom fans are really going through it right now

obsessed

Low IQ tekkuck makes a fool of himself yet again

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>Greenbabby doesn't realise fucking nobody uses strings at higher levels because most of them are punishable as fuck

Of all the things you could complain about strings are literally one of the most innocuous.

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but you still have to memorize them if you don't want to get randomed out, or else something bad will happen like a panda winning your world tour

well i could try, i love fighting vidyas user

I have no idea why he's going so hard when he knows no little, even the Panda post he just posted gives depth to the game.

It's sad. I really hope SFV gets a revival pack or something.

Sure. It can be argued either way really.

Oh yeah, didn't Capcom drop the ball and leak trailers or some shit? I stopped paying attention after S1.

I mean, they do but they end up being very careful about what kind of strings they use, and the application is to get them to freeze up and duck a high or wait for the punishable mid thats not coming.

Show me one instance of Rangchu using a string in any of his World Tour matches. You literally can't because I watched them all and he didn't.

Reminder you can speak to nubi personally at his discord. Google bloody roar discord and it is the one where he is the mod.

Does this autist ever sleep? It's been 12 hours of sheer shitposting.

IT'S NUBI
IT'S NUBI
IT'S NUBI

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For some reason I've just discovered I have a massive absolute hatred for people who stream themselves playing Tekken 7 online with their facecam. Like I literally want to split them in two they're such tremendous tryhard faggots.

t. lucky chloe player

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>That one autist who keeps crying about bloody roar randomly
lmao you have been samefagging this thread for hours, dont you have a life?

imagine being so buttblasted tekken keeps growing that you shitpost literally every tekken thread in your spite

imagine posting the same thing all over again like owl always does

Not him, but thats NEET power, I sit on the pc for 12-16 hours daily

>Green rank Chloe against a green rank Ling

You both deserve death.

why are tekkenbros so hateful towards one another as well as every other game?

Welp, this is it Yea Forums, think i'm just gonna end it here, I dont think I can take this shit anymore.
>just lost 4k in stocks
>family wants to stab and murder and kill me until im dead
>keep hearing niggers giggling 10 feet from my window every night
>get gang stalked every single day
>older brother has recently came out as a tranny and has admitted he has sexual feelings for me
Since you guys have always been my favorite board, and kept me entertained. I'll return the favor. I'll be streaming my suicide in about 10 minutes. In the mean time, I shall answer any questions, suggestions, etc

stream URL + quick rundown:
pastebin.com/KnjnkLW8

See you all soon.

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>spiting anyone who is low rank just to assert dominance of being a high rank
Are you ok user?

Scottish Owl about to have a metal breakdown

he's not being serious
but on a serious note, chloe and ling players are subhuman degenerate mouthbreathers

you really should relax, it could be worse.
none of those are life ending problems, i literally don't have a dollar in my bank account rn and i'm hungry.

man up.

i always take it as a form of "do better and improve" way of to see things, if tekkenbro is being "mean" to me i take it as a challenge

>actually responding to that cunt
He has been doing that to shill his shitty discord for a month or so

First of all fighting games aren't E-sports
Second, I'm pretty sure there were multiple Americans in Tekken 7 top 8 at EVO last year

are you an autist or something? I learned how to literally dance in this game without even practicing

>Thinking it's about rank

It's about them being low ranks playing those particular characters. Stop posting faggot.

What's the point of making a tekken thread on Yea Forums if people are just gonna shitpost and devolve the thread into a shitslinging match?

So they're mega powerful rich chads?

t.can't deal with Chloe and Eddy

Yeah I can't and I'll happily admit that, characters with build in crush in half their moves are bullshit, sue me.

im not that good, but i did it after training enough, im learning how to sidestep some known moves

That's because prior to Tekken 7 you couldn't mash it out if you wanted to keep your guard up while backdashing. It had to be done properly, now you can sloppily input it and your movement will still be cancelled, it used to be a lot harder.

What the fuck is this thread.

kekken damage control

they've turned on each other now

Don't get ahead of yourselves when learning, start at the beginning.
youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVUxFFfCtDtkd3n0J8taq-MknCWaP6naW

>tuned on each other
I knew fighting games would turn you gay eventually

>4 hours
Are you braindead lad

Fighting game. Honestly, Yea Forums is absolutely terrible at fighting game anything.

i ended up learning it and im moving for easier things now, watching a bunch of tekken videos for newbies right now

That was v rude of me I'm sorry user.
Good luck on your journey lad.

do I really have to learn frame data for EVERY character in the game if I just want to get good with my main? what are some good ways to practice?

No, you just need to know the frames of the moves people use enough to know when you are plus, minus, and what you can punish or frametrap with.

Literally just play the game
I got to high ranks by just playing and looking at the frame data of like a few specific moves of mine and 2 combo examples
Dont be afraid, it's hard to start no matter how prepared you are anyways

>4 hours
It's just a backdash and a backwards quartercircle over and over
You don't even need to do it that often till you get real skilled, just one or two will make a lot of moves whiff

Tekken is a very shallow very easy game

it's possibly one of the most complex games ever created

lol no

name 3 games

>it's possibly one of the least complex games ever created
Fixed that for you

Street Fighter
Mortal Kombat
Guilty Gear
Samsho
Blazblue
UNIB
KoF
Marvel
Dead or Alive
Virtua Fighter

Hell even Soulcalibur

it's easy

i did it dude! took me a while tho, but i did it man, i will try later some combos and undertsand more about dragunov

t. Brainlet

kill yourself waifufag

Kazumi is hot

Gimme Old Joseph

>VF has a reputation
It's generally considered good, it's mainly Yea Forums who perpetuates this myth about it being "hard". General rule of thumb is to ignore whatever Yea Forums says about fighting games anyway though so who gives a shit.

Backdashing is critical for whiff punishing though, it's key in high level gameplay.

>clones

it has a pretty low skill floor and a pretty high skill ceiling, with people on the upper end of the skill level being able to run circles around people on the lower end accordingly
It's fine to dislike Tekken in general but this specific aspect of it is literally what you contrarians keep complaining every game needs to be more like

It's one guy from a Bloody Roar discord server (he's a mod there I believe?), he's also preparing anti-VF shitposting material in case that franchise ever returns too

Tell sega's retarded asses to stop doing shit like putting it in yakuza in full arcade perfect ports but not actually putting it on the psn store.

The VF devs aren't at Sega anymore
the devs that are still there barely know how to make good games anymore too, you just get poorly made rehashed budget-game tier shit like Yakuza or just plain old shit like whatever Sonic Team puts out

Tekkenfag here admittedly. The more I think about it the more complicated Tekken actually is.

SFV has 2 or three wake up options or so? Not sure about MK.

Tekken has maybe... 13 different wake up options? One option is a sprongkick of which there are atleast 4 or more different variations of that are shared across specific characters

good job lad. learning fundamentals, then basic tech will get you a long way. learning optimal combos should be kept for last, even later than learning a handful of characters and their basic arsenal of moves and popular combos.

The issue (maybe that's not the right word to use but I dunno what would be more apt) that arises is that it's basically only fun fighting people similar to your own skill level

I bet you any money he didn't do a proper taunt jet upper

He has the same VA as Heihachi so if Young Joseph was unlikely, Old Josepb is impossible considering how the Japanese have mad respect for VAs and their roles.

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>I'm losing to this guys Jin, this isn't fun anymore

>I'm losing to this guys Jin, I'm going to learn Jin so I know how to defend against him or maybe I'll enjoy using him, this guy makes Jin look really good.

It's just if you like Tekken or not

>no tutorial of any sort
>advanced movement locked behind execution barrier
>few to none universal defensive options, other than low parry they are all character specific
>throws you have to learn to react to and break correctly, a concept absent from other 3d games
>tons of low launchers that you also have to learn to react to, also absent from other 3d games
>sidestepping is not universal like other 3d games, you have to know the specific tracking direction of most moves
>punishment has multiple levels for standing and crouching, most characters have at least 3/4 punishers if you wanna be optimal
>complex ground game
>oppressive wall game
>can't search matches while on training mode
>no replays
>40+ characters with average 100~ moves each
>lots of gimmick characters instead of the usual 2-3
>multiple guests characters that play like their own game and nothing like tekken
>DON'T ASK ME FOR SHIT XDDDD
Tekken is the most beginner unfriendly fighting game ever conceived.
Weel, at least it's no longer a tag game.

thanks Joey

Imagine the game that removes all of this guys complaints.

Are your poos rainbow colored from all the crayons you eat? Where can I get this fabled fighting game where I can side step any move, not have to worry about low launchers, only have to learn 8 moves, less than 40 characters, no gimmick characters just the same ones over and over, 1 button guessing game for grab escapes, etc

it's literally just one guy.

It can just remove a couple and it would be objectively better.

Bullshit faggot git gud

Fuck off faggot
Some of us don't wanna play as a shitty twink, autistic crossover, waifu bait, or a shadow the hedgehog edgelord shithead

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It's just only you fag, kys

you know you're scraping the bottom of the barrel when you have to go to bruce for hype

who's next, wang? baek?

Nah he's cool
he should be in the base roster though, they should always reserve retarded anime waifu characters like Alisa and Kunimitsu for DLC because waifufags buy this shit (they don't play it but from Bamco's perspective that's not a big deal)

tekken is a button masher

Sorry the characters i like don't have a face like a slapped arse 24/7 mate

I'm hoping for wang

mike ross reply to my comment if you're still out there

so Yea Forums likes tekken now?
im thinking of dropping it now

I'm expecting a Wang's moveset to be shifted onto a new character (his grandson/grandaughter, or his student, or some shit I don't know) eventually, probably not until Tekken 8 at least though
Don't want Baek though he is pretty cool. In Tekken 3 Ogre had a bunch of moves belonging to cut characters, they should do that again in my opinion. Give him some of Baek's and Wang's stuff, Bruce's b2, also some of Kunimitsu's and Roger's stuff too maybe. It'd make a lot of you guys mad maybe but who gives a shit.

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It's literally the only fighting game worth playing

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You say that when the dev. Harada likes anime stuff and waifus.
Seething.

Aris drone spotted.

>You say that when the dev. Harada likes anime stuff and waifus.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be in the game, I'm saying that they should just be reserved for DLC

>play for hourse to learn the basics of yoshimitsu
>leave the game for a while
>have to relearn him again because i don't remeber a damn thing

>DoA
Wew lad
Only smash has retarded terminology

>four hours
NIGGA

BACK BACK
DOWN BACK
BACK
REPEAT

DOES Yea Forums ONLY PLAY BELT-SCROLLERS? WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR YOU PEOPLE TO LEARN NEW INPUTS?

>press buttons
>things happen
tekken fags btfo

>Imagine the game that removes all of this guys complaints.
Sounds like dead or alive lmao

>no tutorial of any sort
the game is so shallow it doesn't need a tutorial, that's like asking for a tutorial for tic-tac-toe

>advanced movement locked behind execution barrier
theres no execution barrier and the "advanced" movement is common in many fighting games

>few to none universal defensive options
the game literally auto guards for you, literally, you dont even need to press anything

>throws you have to learn to react to and break correctly
No you dont you can literally just mash and you break throws in tekken
>also absent from other 3d games
Either you are trolling or you have never played any other 3D games

>sidestepping is not universal
yes it is
>like other 3d games
Other 3D games have a much deeper side step system

>punishment has multiple levels for standing and crouching
No it doesn't, the only time this would be the case is if you were dumb enough to try using a high attack against a crouching opponent and this goes for every fighting game ever made, including 2D games

>complex ground game
False, there is literally zero complexity in tekkens ground game, it is the most basic, shallow ground game of any fighting game bar none.

>oppressive wall game
Walls in tekken are less scary than any other fighting game and half the stages in tekken dont even have walls

>40+ characters with average 100~ moves each
False, the vast majority of character in tekken dont have anywhere near close to 100 moves, and the ones that do its almost all useless filler garbage moves that never get used

>lots of gimmick characters instead of the usual 2-3
every character in tekken plays the same

tekken is a very shallow game, theres a reason why it has a large casual player base but a small competitive one.

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>discount nyotengo

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>no rebuttal
>m-muh bait reaction image
This is exactly the kind of single digit IQ troglodyte who plays tekken and thinks its complicated.

any serious rebuttal you would ignore. there's no point trying to combat such serious case of autism.

There is no one on this site who is as pathetic as you. Simply replying to you further makes me question how much lower could I possibly go but you give reassurance in that however low that may be you'll still be lower than me or anyone else on this site.

What game do you play?

Myths that are made up and then they stick because sheeps dont know what is to think on their own.

DoA is another example how internet can damage a game's rep a lot. The gameplay is usually alright, some games were actually very damn good, but it gets bashed for other reasons which is the company fault but also sheeps fault that bash for shit that doesnt matter. Because what matters is the gameplay, but seems for DoA that is never a topic of discussion even for the "fans"

There is no one more pathetic than a low IQ tekken shill begging people to play his dying casual button masher.

>Make the same thread you make every day
>Sit here for 15 hours constantly bumping it when it reaches page 10
>Call others pathetic
lmao, cant write this shit.

YO YOU WANNA LEARN HOW TO DO A FUCKING KOREAN BACKDASH?

I'MMA TEACH YOU MUHFUCKKA BITCH ASS, EASIEST SHIT IN THE MOFUCCKING TEKKEN TAG 2, TEKKEN 7. FUCK IT, I DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

JIM KAZAMA AIGHT BACK THEN SHIFT TO DOWNBACK NIGGA AND THEN THIS MOTHAFUCKIN GAP

BACK

DOWNBACK

GAP

BACK

DOWNBACK

GAP

YOU GOTTA KEEP YOUR DASHES LONG AND YOUR CANCELS SHORT YOU CAN'T CANCEL TOO SOON OR IT WON'T MOVE FAR MOTHAFUCKA THAT SHIT WON'T WORK. LETS START THIS MOTHERFUCKER OFF RIGHT AHHH AHHH AHHH AAHHHH DON'T DROP THAT SHIT. WHAT ARE YOU DOING MOTHERFUCKER? KEEP THE RHYTHM UP IF YOU FUCK UP THE RHYTHM THE MOTHAFUCKIN KBD GONNA FUCK UP MOTHAFUCKA KEEP THAT DASH UP AT THE SAME MOTHAFUCKA RHYTHM. THREE IN A ROW IS ENOUGH FOR BEGINNERS MOTHAFUCKA.

>the game literally auto guards for you
Neutral blocking puts you into a disadvantageous position and outright prevents you from blocking consecutive attacks in many instances

>No you dont you can literally just mash and you break throws in tekken
Mashing doesn't auto-break throws? Across all fighting games just mashing can occasionally by sheer dumb luck get something right. If you know that the opponent is mashing it then becomes even easier to outplay them though so what's the point?

>yes it is
Sidestepping has different properties for each character, backstepping does as well. Some characters have better sidesteps than others, some have better backsteps than others, and so on.

>No it doesn't, the only time this would be the case is if you were dumb enough to try using a high attack against a crouching opponent and this goes for every fighting game ever made, including 2D games
Assuming that user is talking about crushes, which is different to evading attacks

>it is the most basic, shallow ground game of any fighting game bar none.
There's over 10 different get up options on top of simply staying on the ground, it certainly does not have the most basic ground game of any fighting game and you don't have to like this series to admit that much.

>Walls in tekken are less scary than any other fighting game and half the stages in tekken dont even have walls
There are 26 stages in the game, only four of them don't have walls (with one of those four only becoming an infinite stage on the stage transition too)

>every character in tekken plays the same
They don't unless you do the Yea Forums thing of being overly reductive to irrational levels (this is something people here do with all games nowadays to be fair) and say that they're all the same because you have to hit the opponent until the their KO'd.

You're either mistaken about a bunch of things or you're straight up spreading misinfo.

Janky puppet tier limb animations are part of the gameplay for me. I will give Doa this though movement feels better than tekken7

>this game doesn't need a tutorial
>proceeds to get everything else said factually incorrect, conveniently
Is this some sort of false-flag? God you kekkenfags are pathetic