SPAMMERS ARE LITERALLY CRYING RIGHT NOW BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Imagine getting hit by a guy whos literally standing still

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>wait 10 seconds
>then resume camping you out with projectiles while you spill your spaghetti trying to peruse your menu and accidentally select Kamikazee
Spam f-tilt because Hero's moves are laggy as fuck and his aerial speed blows dick lol

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Use your whip you filthy spammer

disconnect

Everyone who loses to Hero outright sucks at the fucking game. Stop camping and fight him. Who just fucking let's somebody stand completely still in a platform fighter?

>spammers thinking they can last 10 seconds against rushdown without their projectiles

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LITERALLY THIS. HERO IS SO BAD OMFG. FIGHT HIM AND YOU WILL BEAT HIM EVERY TIME

>Hero
>rushdown character
LMAO
He's slow as molasses and most campers have better CQC than Hero does. I think the only one that might struggle is Megaman.

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I believe they say "Hoes mad"

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What the fuck...

How can people play this crap? It hasn't changed in years.

muh projectiles!

underrated

>player waiting to use magic burst
>better jump to him
That was retarded, ZSS player could just used neutral b and stunned Hero player, magic burst doesn't destroy projectiles

I love Magic Burst. I love it so much.

Hero was waiting tho, so he could literally just shield to cancel his down B.

t. Samus main

holy fucking based

>Magic Link
*Yawn*

Jesus christ...

Good gameplay never gets old

Explain me how Hero shielding is a worse option than jumping into magic burst

Are you trying to bait?

so this bounces off projectiles for half an hour?

youre right, hero made an EPIC play, that samus player just wasnt on his level.
Down B down down down A fucking epic 80 percent kill based.

Its not because you have to pay $5.99 for this character. Thats simply not it. other players need to adjust

holy shit
party games are back

Did he get two crits in a row?

>an RNG based character from a series no-one outside of Japan gives a fuck about
This really is Sakurai's big flaming middle finger to the fanbase. This was made purely for himself. It's especially emphasized by how he personally showcased the character, and did so in 2 minute time mode, the one only he likes and actively made 4's music worse for.

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>ZSS sees Magic Burst
>She proceeds to use Neutral B to paralyze Hero and grab him
>Hero sees the projectile, he uses shield and then jump
>ZSS is now using her grab on no one
I'm just saying that Hero could have bait her and use Krackle (Ice) instead of Magic Burst if ZSS acted differently.

This unironically. Get good at the game, you camping dickhead.

Oh really? I've been enjoying the free gsp everytime someone charges me. It's either a free side b, free crit, free grab combo, and even RANDOMLY (XD) a good spell. I've never been able to play with such little effort since Lucina. PLEASE keep charging me like an absolute dumbass, I'm loving the 5+mill gap gang

The Samus player should have shot or grabbed him instead of doing some "Anakin jumps at Obi-Wan" shit.

Let the salt mines flow!

Yes

yeah but

Time is good for FFA. Stock FFA encourages a campy playstyle

You can shield bash out of the menu. You're not vulnerable to forward facing projectiles.

ACTUALLY it could've been optimized by pressing "Down-B" then "Up-A"

Git gud

Hero is balanced.
youtu.be/rVF-Bty2cZk

From my vantage point of closely scrutinising the footage I can easily tell you the Snake player should have just not done [insert one mistake here] to avoid being instantly killed from 0%. Is he some sort of idiot? Gosh guys the game is not broken or random at all

No, he broke the shield with psyche up and then got a crit for the killing blow
Hero's fucking great desu who knew a fighting game giving you random options you have to pick from in the heat of battle could've been this fun

I wonder who could be behind this post.

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Just rush him down they get too confident when they get bounce up

A shot could have forced him to drop the menu and thus lose magic burst, allowing the Samus player to approach however they wanted. Even rushing in might have knocked him out of the animation in time. Instead they basically signaled that the Her player could absolutely use magic burst and not get interrupted. Even if they used magic burst in response to a shot, the Samus player would have enough room to try waiting out the attack in the air off the platform then recover.

Can we get a documentation of every time smashfags flip the fuck out over a character and scream for nerfs only for it to be completely fine a month later?

The command menu is fine in my book
But what the fuck were they thinking giving him random crits on ALL his smash attacks with no tells or warnings?

Based

Now let's see him do any of those combos on a real person.

Ike K Rool Belmont's who am I missing?

Wolf

Wolf got nerfed though. Somewhat.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO NO NO NO I DONT WANT CHANGE MOMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY TELL THEM TO STOP MOMMY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE THEY ARE RUINING MY GAME PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOOOOOOO OH NO THEY ARE CHANGING THINGS PLEASE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AHHHHHHHHHHH

Does Young Link count?
People were afraid of him really early because he played like Melee's.

>Keep throwing projectiles at a character who has a reflector up
>lose
Who would have thought

>the disrespect at the end
I'd have jumped off in shame desu. You can't come back from that. You can win the match but not the skill.

Not really. The Heros I played last night got greedy once they had bounce up and left themselves open to grabs and other attacks. Also every time they open their menu they're vulnerable to projectiles anyways so it was still a one sided fight.

are you okay user?

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You'd need a rematch after years of training. All without a shower.

Thanks

You have the melee attack with the longest range in the fucking game

You can also just slidekick

ps3sux

>Hero
>Rushdown
In what world?

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This. My friends and I all switched to time for matches with more than two players. FFA isn't supposed to be hyper competitive, that's what 1v1s are for, and if we're just playing for fun, it's not fun to get knocked out early.

>woooow jigglipuff can do THAT damage? OMG BROKKKEN

>upsmash crit kills at 30
>easy combos into it from upair and nair
>lmao rng says you die
None of the other shit matters, it's the random crits that make the character completely broken.

None of his attacks come out that fast other than maybe his neutral air, and you can shield grab him out of it. This is very clearly a Little Mac/K Rool situation; a week from now once everyone knows the matchup Hero will drop.

saiyan pawaaaa

Aside from random critical Smashes, Hero is pretty balanced for a DLC.

His Down B is a high-risk-high-reward because you choose a move and then use it later, you have to use what youre given immediately.

His other Specials are chargable and good for specific situations.

MP management is also pretty fair.

Kinda sucks that youre worse off than Lil Mac though if you dont have enough MP for Up B.

TL;DR
Nerf Critical Smash
Buff low MP Up B a tiny bit

Little Mac from the Sm4ash days.

>His Down B is a high-risk-high-reward because you choose a move and then use it later
*instead of choosing a move and using it later

Also another change I would like:
Fully charged Neutral B should summon the best Fireball that your MP can handle instead of being forced to wait for your MP to be enough for the Final Stage Fireball

That was just a case of overhype. No one complained because people found out quickly that Pichu wasn't a joke character anymore.

There was that moment people were screeching for Ike nerfs because MKLeo won like two tournaments with him.

Was it kino?
That Range lmao

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i believe you mean what is a megaman supposed to do

>You can use Kaclang in the air, drop like an anvil and edgeguard with it
This is the dumbest character in existence but goddamn is this comedy gold

i dont even think you can shield it

>Snake players getting fucked

I see nothing wrong with this

You can unless your shield is dead

This character is telegraphed as fuck if he's a stock behind then you bet your ass he's going to go desperately flicking through those options. I'd stay put and lob a charged shot at him tell he knows not to pull up the menu.

OH NO NO NO NO

>player hovers over Magic Burst
He's just GIVING AWAY a tell. Why the hell would you jump at his shit?

He doesn't have reflector up user, what the fuck

Good. Having so many projectile focused characters are the worst thing to happen to Smash

Maybe they'll play like that if you're in 1m GSP LOL

LOL!

Based as fuck, try to tell me that this webm would be any different if it was a G&W 9.

Yes it can?

>smashbruddas is a legitimate fighting ga-

Snake players are actual cancer

I know samus was a retard but
>Hero is a few steps off the center
>Suddenly you can'tt avoid it anymore
what now?

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BASED

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No, crits are the same as G&W, the other moves on the other hand...

moves called
>kafizz
>kaswoosh
game for manchildren

Jump away. That spell kills his MP, so you'll be good for awhile.

but I'm happy! Finally this horseshit of a game has been exposed for the kusoge that it is! Based Hero murdering smashniggers!

>Jump away
>Hero waits until you get down
Why should hero use Magic Burst before is guaranteed? That's dumb as fuck. You can't always be on the Air, you'll eventually get down and that's when Magic Burst will be on range. It covers almost all of the stage.

>NOOOOOOOOO what about competitive play? This cant be happening, this cant be happening... smash is serious business but now the balance is thrown off. The 12-year-olds that I play every week at tourneys are gonna have an easier time beating me now!

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Holy based

>Amercans keep complaining about retarded players who force items and hazardous stages on and generally play like shit
>Here in Europe I constantly get destroyed by champion tournament level players

>I keep getting kicked in and out of Elite

Wtf why do I have to constantly struggle for life

t. Dedede Main

You can still jump away at the start of the spell, even if you land. Unless you're slow.

>all that rolling

I played against someone who already mains Hero today.

Kept faking me out by hovering over a stupid option in the Menu and then Mana Nuking me.

When he flashes that’s when I usually move away

>Hit him will ball once right after "GO!"
>Proceeds to pick the reflector every time it's given to him
>he thinks it's being useful since I'm using header to mix up falling/recovering
>end up out damaging him cause he foregoes his steroids while I have deep breathing half the time

Out of roughly 20 matches vs Heroes, only like 2 or 3 didn't fall for this.

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Nice try. I'm a herofag, faggot.

Magic Burst is one of the most guaranteed moves hero has, if you are in the right position, which is not hard to get, the opponent can't do anything even if they have billions of jump, maybe with a projectile.

>recovering
>Hero just standing on edge
>menu open with magic burst waiting
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck

no one cares, stupid waifuposter. Bet you're fucking garbage at this game who gets their kicks out of bullying children.
>inb4Seething

You are playing against shitters.

lol just git gud bruh

how can you even counter this? is there a way at all?

If you think it's bad right now, just wait til the Japanese players start flowing in and maining the Dragon Quartet.

Dragon Quest has a literal cult following over there in nipland. It's insane. If you went over there and insulted the series you'd get crucified. Don't expect Hero to go away anytime soon in online battles or tournaments.

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youtube.com/watch?v=wggTsCHXn94

Didn't say at all Magic Burst wasn't good. The way that Samus player handled it wasn't good and there was room to avoid it with that huge tell.

That position that hero player was in wasn’t really that good and Samus jumping right in was just dumb

its not a cult following in japan its literally just mainstream there

>Dragon Quest has a literal cult following
What do you think that means?

I always do.

>cult following
I dont think you know what this means

>up b to down air
BRO THAT'S JUST A TWITTER COMBO IT'S TOO HARD TO BE VIABLE
NO ONE COULD EVER DO SOMETHING SO COMPLICATED

He's way more fun than I expected.

I was being metaphorical.

Probably use one of his many very good melee attacks.

Sakurai: *removes random pikmin, random peach fsmash, random tripping*
Also Sakurai: *makes an entire character random*

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>It hasn't changed in years.
So has Fifa and you see every normie and their uncle buying the same game every year.

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I'm suprised with the amount of Heroes I've seen Kamikazing themselves online.

imagine crying about thwack when kazzapple is a fucking free finishing touch that kills at fucking 30%

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no, you were just being wrong, dumbass.

Based

It's really easy to overshoot the option you wanted when you're trying to go fast

>Uncharged smash attack breaks shield because the game said "okay"
>Kills a heavyweight at zero because the game said "okay"

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The difference would be Game & Watch wouldn't even have the luxury of going for a 9 because failing to get the "critical hit" on Judge means you do functionally nothing and completely waste the opportunity, instead of getting a fully charged regular smash attack.

>he pulls a hoes mad lol meme on herofags too
Stay niggerbrained. I bet Heros like you will stay at 1mil forever.

Never played a Dragon Quest game but these spell names are goofy as fuck

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so you want tripping back?
is that what you're implying?

>A cult following comprises a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a work of culture, often referred to as a cult classic. A film, book, musical artist, television series or video game, among other things, is said to have a cult following when it has a small but very passionate fanbase.
How is he wrong?

fucking based

Crits on smashes is fine, because if you're letting Hero hit you with a smash you deserve to get deleted

are you fucking retarded?

what is wrong with you

tbf it's warlock punch tier slow and uses a shitload of mana but with the range it has it is still pretty crazy. His neutral B is also the best projectile in the game bar none.

dragon quest is extremely mainstream in japan.

the government had to step in and make it illegal for them to sell new dragon quest games on weekdays, because too many people skipped work and school.

it's not a small fanbase in any way.

Did the older games have mechanically unique fighters? Did the older games have unique alternate costumes? Did the older games have a bajillion songs to listen too? Did the older games have lots of fan favorite characters added to them? No? Yeah...didn't think so user.

I am the Hatchet Man

A character as heavy as Snake probably would've lived a 9 at 0%. Also, there's zero risk to using a free Smash attack while Judgment can still give you garbage.

HE HAVE THE SAME NORMALS AS LINK? people pay for this crap?

same dash attack, that's it

>I never get hit in any of the games I play

What alt you using boys

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>Dragon Quest has become a cultural phenomenon in Japan. According to Ryutaro Ichimura and Yuji Horii, Dragon Quest has become popular enough that it is used as a common topic for conversation in Japan, and is considered by the Japanese gaming industry as Japan's national game. William Cassidy of GameSpy claims that "the common wisdom is that if you ask someone from Japan to draw 'Slime,' he'll draw the onion-like shape of the weak enemies from the game." With the Japanese release of Dragon Quest IX in January 2009, a new eatery inspired by the series called Luida's Bar was opened in Roppongi, a well-known nightlife hotspot in Minato, Tokyo. This was notable due to the usual center of Tokyo's gaming culture being Akihabara rather than Roppongi. The venue provides a meeting location for fans of the series: styled in the fashion of a Medieval public house like its virtual counterpart, its food is directly inspired by both items and monsters found in the games. It was described by a Western journalist as a cross between a Disneyland resort and a maid café. Dragon Quest also served as the inspiration for a live-action television drama. Yūsha Yoshihiko initially aired in July 2011, with a sequel series being produced and released the following year.

>There is an urban myth that the release of Dragon Quest III caused a law to be passed in Japan banning the sale of Dragon Quest games or video games in general except on certain days such as weekends or national holidays. When III was released in Japan, over 300 schoolchildren were arrested for truancy while waiting in stores for the game to be released.

Bruh.

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Because Judgement has mediocre to bad effects when you don't score a 9, which is rare and difficult to achieve. Imagine a Smash attack with Judgement attached to the end.

No they do that all the way into elite smash.

I've been playing Doc online all day. Missing one attack and getting punished for 50% and potentially killed is gay, but otherwise Hero isn't that bad. His menu spells are unironically weaker than Zap and Frizz. Other than Thwack catching people below the ledge.

Seriously, though, the power creep is making Doc feel worse and worse. Thank God I'm actually good at the game. Someone of equal skill level playing Hero absolutely could not lose to someone playing Doc. The power, speed, weight, and frame data differences are all skewed in Hero's favor.

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I like Solo's DQ1 alt.

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>Idiot tries to shield it
>Soon realizes it's not a smash attack when his shield insta breaks
>Hatchet Man is first spell when I do it again

Nothing is more satisfying

>these fucking spell names
Uh DQcucks? this is baddy bad splishy splash tier naming

>Many
>F-air
>B-air
>U-tilt
>D-tilt
>Dash
baka desu. Your F-air and B-air will go stale before you can use a projectile again, and you can't even edgeguard him because he'll reflect Hard Knuckle.

>over 300 schoolchildren were arrested
>arrested

Japan what the shit they're just kids

How do I set a default alt in this game? I want 8 and 5 to be my colors.
Also is that his beta orbiter in the back?

What the fuck are these hitboxes. Megaman's move should have fucking hit. WTF>

sure, but he's talking about smash, not good gameplay.

The games are filled with puns and wacky names, especially Magic and enemies

Better than Fire, firagaga, firagoogoogaga

Make more Richter porn as this 6 commands

It's onomatopoeia. It's no different then comics having Biff or Splat. Ka has always be added to the end of those to denote a larger effect.

Double talk is what you are thinking of, doubling up on words to make them sound cute. There is nothing cute about Kaboom

That’s Terry and Lizzie, his dragon GF, from 6

Sakurai finally found a way to make the chaotic randomness he designed smash to be reflect in a character’s gameplay

>upthrows you at 30%
>upsmash crits you
>KO
>extends hand
>"Good game, you fought well but I was just the better player this time."

you can be arrested and not taken to jail or ticketed, retard

>dilate
>dilatle
>kadilate
wtf dq is based

Imagine being this smallbrained. Yikes.

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>Use Judgement
>Don't get 9 and take 20% recoil
>Charge F-smash
>Do at least 25%, potentially kill

Also, Judgement wouldn't kill Snake at 0, unless it was on Wario Ware. Not even Warlock Punch would kill him. Hell, I don't think anything short of Shulk's fully charged F-smash with Smash on would kill Snake at 0.

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Dragon quest is made of silly puns

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No I'm pretty sure that's the TW protagonist and some creep.
This. You learn that pretty quickly when you become an adult and start driving.
Unless you're black in a shit city. Have fun trying to get out.

What's so horrible evil bad googieboogiefart about Smash's gameplay? It's not Killer Instinct or Fatal Fury's exact style?

That sounds incredibly stupid. Why does this series still exist?

Hero unironically isn't that strong. It's just fucking lame to get gimmick'd to death.

Jigglypuff was supposed to be the only character that died from a shieldbreak.

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1. Japan loves it.
2. It's Iconic.
3. It sells like fresh baked blueberry flapjacks.
4. It's fun.
5. Fuck you.

It's niche here but big in Japan

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Rabid japanese fans. DQ would have died at VII if not for them.

>This really is Sakurai's big flaming middle finger to the fanbase
You people say this about every single new character, just like how you scream about every new character being OP. Get some new material.

Surely you are indeed that happy and not upset that Smash Ultimate beat everything else at Evo 2019, right?

I want a pet chocobo desu.

Why does Square-Enix suck so much?

>I don't like thing, it shouldn't exist
fuck off, zoomer

Because as shocking as this may sound, not everything needs to sound like an edgy teenager came up with it to be fun.

>ONE PUUUUUNCH!

Everything would be much more fun with edge being the edge. Yiu just need to accept it.

I'm pretty sure Moogles aren't that iconic anymore. I had a friend know what cactuar and a choxobo and a slime and a jack Frost all were but had no idea what a Moogle was.

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Yup; this is definitely balanced. No issues here. Nope.

>Robin using shit named like Arc-Fire, Thoron and Nosferatu
>Hero running around throwing out Kaclang, Kaboom and Thwack

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>guys guys I'm so concerned about being mature and edgy, please you must believe me I can't play video games because they make me baby

I love some good edge as much as the next guy, but if 90s-era comics taught me anything, you can in fact have too much of a good thing

Fucking saved. It's a glorious day to be a DQfag.

a 9 can't break a shield instantly OR KO at 0
get those nip boots out of your mouth

Why do you write like an underaged retard trying to write an essay for school?

Hero is just Robin but good.

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There's a big difference between childish fun, and really fucking dumb. From what I got from your screencap, DQ is the latter.

>Erdrickfags are alright with their meme character being broken out the gate
unsurprising development

>Hero is just Robin but good and with a couple slot machines that go from unavoidable edgeguard to instagib
fixed it for ya

>Joker is just Sheik, but with kill moves
Why does Sakurai do this? Does he secretly hate Nintendo?

I wish Robin could charge up all his specials, I want to use Bolganone instead of Arcfire

How do I avoid Magic Burst successfully? I'm sure I'll figure it out but I've already lost to it twice. Like, spending all your mana isn't a big deal if it's the last stock, it seems even better than most final smashes in the game if you're on the last stock.

He's not broken, and you would know that if you had even half a brain

Except he still failed because he packed all of the randomization into a single character. Unless he rewrites the whole order of things by making critical hits a core mechanic of every single Smash character, the game is Super Hero bros from here on out. This isn't even conducive to casual play because it just means all players of Hero will just literally be That faggot Kid who invites his friends over to die to random bullshit as Hero while they make the mistake of playing other characters. People will just want to play poker instead, where you actually have some input in the experience.

>Cloud is just Mac but good
it's just DLC powercreep
Remember that Nintendo is hands on with teh DLC this time

But 3 can. And a fully charged smash is stronger than a 9.

okay if you're so wise and I'm so dumb then do please explain to me how he isn't broken and shut me up

if you see it on the menu, you stay as far away as possible. If you're recovering, you recover as high as you can. If you're Ganondorf... accept your fate.

>And a fully charged smash is stronger than a 9.
and that still wouldn't be enough to KO at 0
Hero just randomly gets the power of heavy characters with none of the drawbacks of beinga heavy

When playing with friends I'll turn items off if they want, but yeah I like the vanilla stages because they always have neat shit you never get to see because
>"No Items, No FS Meter, Final Destination Mode Only"
serious business tryhards. But then again I'm apparently the weird one for playing a party game like a party game and not like Guilty Gear or UNIST.

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They should probably just remove it from the god damn game then, that's way too much too ask. Otherwise, Hero doesn't seem that OP, but no other character seems to have a "sacrifice something minor and get a final smash" like that.

Literally any tilt
Literally any smash attack
Literally any aerial

This is unironically my favorite addition to the Ultimate roster in terms of gameplay. He's a blast to play but isn't broken.

Been using DQ4's because that's where best girl is from. Part of me wishes she and Kiryl got in as an Ice Climbers kind of character but that's just me.

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What's the best Dragon Quest game to try while waiting for XI S?

>Game and Watch
>11.1% of the time get an instant KO
>88.8% of the time get an attack that is easily punished
>Hero
>12.5% of the time get an instant KO
>87.5% of the time get an attack that has a fuckton of power and range regardless because its a Smash attack

I haven't played as him and I've been fucked by bounce as Mewtwo, stupidly trying to ping pong my shadow ball at him forgetting it stays up. However, it seems like a fair trade off since there's a giant circle saying it's up at all times and he can't just pull it out whenever he wants. It should be better than other reflectors under those circumstances.

Seconding this. Hero out doriyahs Ganondorf.
twitter.com/Mini_k250/status/1156399183479353344
This shit ain't even fair.

No it’s the DQ monsters 1 protagonist and a monster he tamed

Most of the mainline ones except VII, IX and X can be bought on mobile with pretty decent ports that restore features like party chat. VIII is a shit port that somehow runs like garbage even on a newer phone though so 3DS or PS2 are your choices on that one.
DQX is the MMO and has a meaty free trial, however it's Japan only so buying and subscribing to it aren't as simple, it's also one of the only ones on PC.

The knockback on it is insane. I have a feeling they will tone that aspect down in a future update. It kills lightweights at 20% and the fatboys at 50%

Does anyone else think Enix had Nintendo make Hero OP and have more options than Cloud because they're butthurt that Final Fantasy is more popular than Dragon Quest? I've kinda been thinking so.

Like, why doesn't Cloud have any spells? Why doesn't he pick abilities from a menu like Hero? Those things are a part of FF too.

The absolute state of tra5h.

>everyone screaming for nerfs
>not going into detail on how exactly they would nerf him and by how much
Elaborate you nerds

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For some reason they wanted all of his specials to be limit breaks

If I HAD to do something, I'd nerf MP recovery and Magic Burst size
nothing else needs to be done

It is literally more powerful than a final smash then, and most of those can be baited and avoided completely. And the character glows. And the whole screen goes dark. And meter smashes don't even kill at that percent. While Magic Burst requires you to pay attention to a tiny menu under the icon at all times, forget it completely if there's more than one Hero in the match.

nah, Sakurai just really likes Dragon Quest.
Watch as the rest of the DLC characters are on par with Joker at best.

They'd want to remove his random crits, probably increase the windup time on Down-B actions despite them needing to navigate a menu to use them, remove Hocus Pocus, Whack and Thwack and then leave him to die as they pat themselves on the ass and declare Smash saved.
Because the fact that he swings slow as shit and has most of his kit in a menu don't give you enough opportunity to win apparently.

Is that what he's supposed to be? I thought he was supposed to have Alena's color scheme.

if the next smash attack is a critical hit hero flashes. critical hits do less damage, and have less knockback. thwack cant kill at 30% and under. done.

People who complain about Hero are the same people that complain about Guile. They literally cannot counter a character that has to stand still to do moves.

That's your fault for being offstage. Don't whine about being punished for getting knocked offstage.

>Nerf the rate you regain MP, the main means of him using 90% of his kit
>And also nerf the hail mary move that costs him all his MP to begin with
He's already not doing too hot as it is, just because you're afraid of him doesn't make him overpowered.

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I wouldn't be surprised given that DQ is given more attention, care, and quality assurance than FF nowadays.

the "best" smash game is a fox vs. jigglypuff simulator where the meta revolves around glitches, the top players rely on broken controllers, and 90% of the game's content has to be banned.

Why do you fags call zoners, spammers?

remove random crits (make every 8th or 10th smash attack be a crit instead)
either lower effectiveness of charged specials or lower MP recovery from damage dealt
while the menu is open, the selected spell appears on top of the character (so opponents don't need 3 eyes to properly fight against Hero)
lower effectiveness of some of the more ridiculous menu spells (for exemple, make whack and thwack only work when the opponent is over 100%, lower magic burst's range, lower duration of bounce or make it disappear when Hero attacks)

how do you properly nerf character with playstyle that solely base on RNG
Make the sword light up like killing edge to signal a crit

Because smash isn't a fighting game.
Pick one or the other, retard

Still haven’t played new smash. As someone who was and still is tournament good at melee will I get on and destroy spammers and underage fags who think they’re good? Will I enjoy it? My daughter has it I just haven’t played yet. I’d have to unlock my main too I guess sounds like a chore

Thank god, Nintendo is invalidating all arguments about Smash being a "fighting" game.

smash isn't a fighting game. that's why its players get outraged over playstyles and mechanics that are common in fighting games.

in all my time playing him, using specials every once in a while(mostly side b and neutral b) i barely ever had to look at the MP. Managing that resource seems a little too easy, at least to me.
Magic Burst is just ridiculous. Covers damn near the entire stage, kills early, and leaves you at no risk of a punish. Losing all your MP isn't even that much of an issue considering how quickly it can recover.

They aren’t zoning they’re spaming, there aren’t any true zoners in smash. It’s pokken all over again, just spam your best projectile over again and hope for a loop

That is unfair

The mechanics are way different. You'll be shit at Ultimate until you get used to it. It's not like becoming a tranny and winning all the women's sports championships.

Feels bad to only play against shitters

>Sakurai makes an extremely unique and fun character that's oozing with soul and passion.
>Smash fags hate him.

So it's true then, Smash players really do hate fun?

does EVO ban characters at all?

>There is now a visual cue when Hero's next Smash will do a critical hit (akin to Luigi's misfire in Project M)
>Critical hits in general deal less damage, knockback, and shield damage
>MP recovers less on attacks OR MP recovers much slower overtime
>Magic Burst size significantly decreased
>Thwack and Whack cannot kill at percentages lower than 50%, increased percentage to kill at higher percentages though

>remove crits
>add 3 extra frames of startup and lag on literally everything
>reduce the amount of spells in the menu to 3 instead of 4
Done.

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Random crits aren't fun
It's not fun to get them. It's not fun to insta win a stock because you got one. I want to play PvP without any CPU interference

you're retarded

What game is this from?

>This really is Sakurai's big flaming middle finger to the fanbase.
to the compfag fanbase, aka the group he hates

That question won't be relevant to this EVO because they don't use freshly released patches just before a tournament. We won't see what effect this character has until the next major tournament.

Fucking based. Fuck Snakelets.

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Also
>Either Snooze can't put opponents to sleep in the air anymore or let Jigglypuff be able to do that shit too

>It's not fun to get them.
Says you

It's all the unique charm and fun of chutes and ladders. Do you really find innane randomness the core of fun and enjoyability? It's not even true to Dragon Quest in that way, except for the critical hits.

You didn't say boy, faggot

HOLY SHIT

>literally one side b thrown out at random deals 25% damage
>randomly breaks shields with smash attacks because fuck you
it'd be one thing if all his broken nonsense was limited to the wacky funtime down B menu but they're not

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t.. Soldier main

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GUYS GUYS

WHAT IF
WHAT IF

Fire emblem characters now have a random chance to miss an attack and have a random chance to evade an attack

What's the matter bros??? Can't handle that much FUN?

>going through menu against opponent with bad internet
>lag eats my input and I accidentally kamikaze

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>>Sakurai makes an extremely unique and fun character that's oozing with soul and passion.
>>Smash fags hate her.

I wonder if it has anything to do with these characters having more utility in their special moves alone than most characters do in their entire moveset.

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>tfw Pacman main
So how do I fight this guy?

Lie down and cry for you are a Pacman main.

You wait for the nerfs to arrive or change main

That’d be fine and probably fun

>outplay your opponent for over 20 seconds
>get fucking one shot by RNGesus

The Hero is fair and balanced.

>that's considered the best
Only for a tiny minority of tournament-obsessed losers. The rest of us find how you're supposed to play the game to be the best.

You don't. Good luck getting past Bounce.

This is why everything tourneyfags say should be mocked then ignored.

It's delicious seeing all the zoomers learn just how silly Dragon Quest is.

Should’ve continue to outplay him if he didn’t want to lose

Pac-man lacks any form of melee ability?

Bayonetta was so busted that even nerfs didn't work. I honestly believe only directional air dodge in an entirely new game did the trick.
Hero can be fixed with just a couple nerfs. He's not even that busted unless he just gets really good RNG.

I think the funniest part is that Snake could still win the match. Okay you got a bad part but it's still not over bro.
But by judging the salt, he surely lost because he got triggered.

>go online against randoms
>dude's rules are 1 stock
>he uses down B right when the match starts
>gets Wack and instakills me at 0%
I'm not complaining, I just wanted to share that with you guys. No Replay, I was a retard and didn't fucking save it.

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This. Nut up and play harder or get fucked. And remember the next best thing to playin and winning is playin and losing.

You know randomization has an effect on general and casual play, correct?

Add in a random chance to do 3x damage, break shields, and heal HP. Also a random chance to activate Galeforce and zip around the screen for a few seconds.

>the point
>your heads

Cry more

>reddit spacing

Or alternatively, don't play Ultimate at all and play a better game.

We understandt the point is that RNGhero can be broken but no one here will take it seriously until they live a similar situation.
I'm pretty sure that some people spamming Hoes Mad already got their ass handed in a Hero ditto, maybe even Thacked.

have sex

My dude I had my nose in my girls butthole not even 50 minutes ago. I still smell it on my face

based

the size of the magic burst is smaller the less mp he has

I'm playing hero forever from now on regardless of whether he's broken or he's shit because I'm a DQfag and he's fun as fuck, but he's definitely broken.

Jesus Christ

so does Mario still just foot fireballs as his social attack? I havent played since melee do all the original characters have their same old move set compared to this asshole who has a whole arsenal at his command?

Lmao the "competitive" smash scene is fucking pathetic

Pray.

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ITS A FUCKING GOOD GAME GUYS KEEP PLAYING IT

WHAT ARE YOU DONT COME BACK I DONT WANT MY ONLY HOBBY TO DIE

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Tell me, why am I always at kill percent against Hero? I SHOULDN’T HAVE RO CONSTANTLY BE SCARED OF GETTING INSTANTLY KO’D THAT’S HORSE SHIT

Based Yusha main.

does this character have a single original animation?

I don’t even play the game.. I’m this guy but alrighty

hatchet man is based. kinda wish it had (at least a bit of) super armor but that would probably be busted

which DQ should I start with?

>Not liking RNG characters

Imagine being this sad

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also has ganon's sword move. looks like most of the animations are taken from other characters

Yes

default dq11

Hero is good, there is unironically nothing wrong with RNG in a video game.

I'll try to replicate that for you and make these people SEETHE.
Okay user, which of game and watch's moves breaks snake's full health shield? Then I'll just keep resetting until I get a 9 and ko snake at 0% (it wont but lets ignore that you gook loving cum guzzling faggot)

XI. And play the one on the PS4 because the Switch version has the graphics of a fucking PS2.

>I'm pretty sure that some people spamming Hoes Mad already got their ass handed in a Hero ditto, maybe even Thacked.
You win some, you lose some. But damn it, it doesn't stop being hilarious when you do win.

>Bounce MP cost significantly up (probably to 20)
>Minor MP cost increase across the board
There, balanced.

whichever one seems the most interesting to you.

Not one most people care about.

>waaah muh grafix

Madason

>not the PC version for better graphics and orchestra mod

Look at this pleb. And even then I'd still say the switch version for the new features and classic graphical style the 3DS version had.

this will be the death of LTG

Random chance of "MISS" would have been tight, perhaps even random damage within a range to be more JRPG

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>kaboom has a sucking hit box

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>Random crits
>In a fighting game
Sakurai is going out of his way to shove "Smash is a party game" in smashfag's assholes.
I bet that if EVO or any other tourney tries to ban hero, he will get nintendo to block the stream

I'll never abandon Robin. She's been my main since 4 and nothing is going to change that.

I love this asshole so much!

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You can raise all the MP to 100 and people will still complain because people hate losing to RNG.

Lmao his power is buffed with oomph and the smash is fully charged, of course it killed him at the edge.

>so does Mario still just foot fireballs as his social attack

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It's because smash isn't a fighting game

>She

probably some Mexican phoneposter.

Explaining why something happened doesn't make it OK. Hero is the only character in the game who can kill a heavy at 0%

Doesn't Luigi have a 0% to kill combo from a throw?

Not blocking the stream, but Sakurai likely will ask Nintendo to take away their support of the tournament scene. Some people are already worried about this happening and is one of the counter arguments against banning Hero as a rule and instead will just softly discourage against people playing him. The less of Hero in a bracket, the less chance you'll see jank at the top.

>combo
Hero can kill at 0% in a single move, without omph or psych up

Proof or it never happened faggot.

Honestly fair keeps the charm of the character but nerds the randomness a tad. Gold star user

Because an oomph crit fully charged FSmash is so much easier to land than a combo, right?

They just need to pull another "1v1 matches with no items have 1.2 damage multiplier" because who gives a shit if he's broken in a party environment.

General changes:
>Magic Burst scales with how much MP is actually remaining. Below 75, its knockback is greatly reduced. Below 50, its size is reduced. Below 25, its damage is reduced.
>"Buff" type spells such as Oomph, Psyche Up, Accelratle, Heal and Bounce have their costs slightly increased

If items are turned off:
>Hero can not randomly crit
>Hocus Pocus will never activate an item effect that is not turned on as an item. For instance, if items are off but Super Mushrooms are on, Hocus Pocus may make you bigger. If items are on but the Super Mushroom is off, Hocus Pocus will never make you bigger.

If items are turned off AND the game is 1v1 or 2v2
>Buff type spells have their costs further increased
>Thwack's chance of working is binary; if the enemy is at 100% damage or higher it will always work. Otherwise it will never work
>Whack's chance of working is [enemy damage -100]. This means it will always work on an enemy at 200% and may work on any enemy above 100.

>Sakurai likely will ask Nintendo to take away their support of the tournament scene

No he wouldn't. He doesn't give two shit about what the tourneyfags do with his game.

Is Ultimate unable to survive like Melee is able to? Guess it's true that it'll be another 10 years of Melee if Ultimate goes six feet under.

>is a single smash attack easier to land than a kill combo
seriously guy? and again a fully charged Fsmash kills without oomph

>Call out cancer spam characters like Belmonts, Samus and Rob for months
>Yea Forums shitters tell me to git gud and they aren't that OP
>Sakurai releases a whole character that counters them in one move
>Shitters now seethe over him
HOES
MAD

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>Hocus Pocus will never activate an item effect that is not turned on as an item

Why? If anything Hocus Pocus is the most fair aspect of his RNG right now and balanced. The chance of putting yourself to sleep or becoming tiny or anything like that is so negative that the positive ones are balanced out. You could lose a stock putting yourself to sleep or things of this nature.

How does he counter projectile characters? His projectiles are pretty good but they cost MP.

Thread theme
youtube.com/watch?v=paNhRFd0-cM

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>Didn't read the OP

bounce makes him completely immune to projectiles for like 10 whole seconds, while being able to move around and attack normally

I did, but that has nothing to do with the statement in the post I quoted.

Can't you air-dodge it?

He’s not OP. He’s not even good. You’re just bad.

>an RNG effect that lasts ten seconds that you have to repeatedly try to menu for counters characters with projectiles

What if they just hit you with projectiles so much you can't even select it because you're wasting all your time trying to run away to roll menu nav instead of defending? What if they just use all their other attacks for those ten seconds and/or run away?

That's not any better than characters who have actual reliable reflector moves that come out on demand the moment you need them any time. If you're treating this like suddenly you're not going to get projectiles fucked up your ass as Hero then you're gonna be pretty frustrated when reality hits.

I dunno with the way Kamikazee works you don't really get much time to react once activated.

>meta
Fuck off, retard.
If you want a balanced meta then go play a fighting game.

You might be able too but it's damn near instant.

Fully charged Fsmash, user. Are you aware of how hard it is to do that? Do you not understand that it just makes you the biggest target in the world when you inevitably miss since it's telegraphed as fuck.

I've never played a Dragon Quest game and I never will but he makes Spammont faggots seethe so I added him to my mains. Fuck off and take your dead Metroid ripoff with you, Castleshitters.

>People sperging out on Down-B RNG nonsense
>When Hero has the best non-RNG dependent edgeguarding out of the entire cast
youtube.com/watch?time_continue=205&v=rVF-Bty2cZk
Some of you guys are alright, don't get thrown off-stage tomorrow.

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>find a classic For Glory Samus
>throwing shit at me and rolling everywhere
>fish for Bounce, put it on
>Charge Shots himself
>suddenly realizes he has to play my game
he stood no chance

It's not nearly hard enough to pull off to justify a kill at 0%. There are much harder single moves to pull off that don't kill at 0%.

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Fucking BASED character I hope top 8 is ALL Hero at Smashcon.

Both can be reflected. It has happened to me. You're a liar.

Yeah, and roll and spot dodge it.

user, this is just sakurai saying that NO smash game should be seen as a competitive game and that you're only fooling yourself for thinking otherwise.

Why does Sakurai hate competitive so much anyway?

>all these tier whores losing their minds because they're being challenged for once in their lives

>recovers high
Now what nerd

It requires a goddamn crit to pull off. It's like a 10% chance of happening, and for anyone to be able to consistently pull off fully charged Fsmash, you don't even need the crit to win at that point.

gee I fucking wonder...

>let him menu for oomph AND psych up
>don't simply run out the clock

the video literally covers that

If you watched the video you'd see that this covers both high and low options. You can grab the ledge, cover low, immediately be back on the ledge, and cover high. There's no risk to it and no gamble, you get to cover high and low. The only possible way around it is airdodging to ledge at the perfect time if you're in the position to.

Okay the Melee scene is fucking shit but still

Because he never wanted Smash to be hyper competitive in the first place
He doesn't like how all competitive games gravitate to the same playstyle, he doesn't like how competitive players ignore a bunch of the mechanics because muh meta.

>let him menu and get power up that has time limit
>doesn't run it out and punish menuing
>let's him do it again
>blocks when dude has oomph AND psych up
many mistakes, many retards replying.

What does kamikaze do besides killing you?

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you die because he covers that too

kill everyone else

>Magic Burst scales with how much MP is actually remaining. Below 75, its knockback is greatly reduced. Below 50, its size is reduced. Below 25, its damage is reduced.
It already does, stupid.

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Smash attacks now have a chance to "miss" and do no damage or knockback

If he's going to have high rewards he should have high risks

Also probably some MP stuff I'm sure they'll tweak anyway

>these days
Not for long.

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It costs 4 mp to do
It insta stocks you but does about 40%-50% of damage to the enemy instantly
It also deals like no knockback so whatever direction they were moving in when they come at you is where they're going to fly if they get caught in the blast radius
Its like a bowsercide but without having to actually get in someone's face to do it you just let them come to you

>It costs 4 mp to do
Isn't it 1 mp?

Was posted in the other thread, fucking gold.
youtube.com/watch?v=Ne6uRK7sNRE

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i thought i was 4 because thats the lowest I've been able to set it off with
the kamikaze meme going around is just retards spamming menu and picking something without actually looking at the menu because they try to use it during combat rather than waiting until the opponent is off the stage

>finally make a bunch changes that support competitive play
>goes by understated
>release one RNG character
>Sakurai hates competitive play and will never take us seriously

Why are Smash players like this?

everything has to be perfect nothing can be out of order for these manchildren

I could have swore it said 1 mp on the menu but maybe I'm just dyslexic or something.

Luck is a skill. Get good.

Relax, an emergency patch to fix Hero just came out.

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>removed Metal Slash and Kaclang
WTF he's shit now

>It insta stocks you

It's actually not super instant. Depending on how btfo the opponent got, they can actually potentially lose their stock first.

>Having multiple ways to kill at 0
>MULTIPLE
>KILL AT 0
Sharing this shit, the hero is just retarded

Fucking retards

>Don't watch the webm
>make up retarded comment talking about whatever you want

He jumps off the ledge instead of fastfalling and hits you anyway

Imagine seeing your opponent hover over Mega Magic with full MP and still jumping into him.

>getting completely out skilled
>a wild lucky opportunity appears
>1 hit kills opponent
>flips him off
This guy gets party games. I love it.

Most of those ways are RNG dependent though.

Critical hit in the legde can kill?
What the FUCK

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killing at 0% with a single move is bs regardless of circumstance.
>being able to pull off a fully charged Fsmash means you should win.
1800 comeonnow.
It doesn't have to be fully charged, crit fsmash kills around 40%. And if it doesn't crit, it still does damage with no negative repercussions.

Soooo, are people just straight up ignoring that this only happened because it was a crit + Psyche Up?
Dumb faggots.

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he played kof at the arcades back in the day and humiliated people at it to the point where he started feeling guilty about how much better he was. from there, he came up with smash as the casual alternative to fighting games.
he hates the competitive smash scene because it's the exact type of thing he was trying to avoid when making smash - and probably also because their awful behavior has ruined his series' reputation.

yeah I'm thinking hero is based

I can see the reasoning
Get above it, then punish after it whiffs
Unfortunately it's a essentially a fullscreen hitbox that lasts for more than a full second, so in that situation anything but jumping back offstage was the wrong move

People bitching about random characters like Faust or Phoenix Wright didn't exist.
People bitching about strong RNG when fucking G&W hammer or Peach and Daisy's bobombs and stiches exist.
People bitching about instant kills like smash 4 cloud couldn't do that shit on command at 40% against most of the cast.

Zoners bitching about someone who invalidates their advantages temporarily, i.e. them having to learn a bad matchup for once. The horror.

Smash players are whiners, goddamn.

>metal slash kills after accidental kaclang
>mid air snooze freefall deaths

You can almost feel the opponent's anger at dying to that

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>alls you need
>alls they need to do
What a fag

So retarded question, are the alternate heroes basically costumes or do they have some small variations in moves?

They're skins, not clones.

Costumes with different voice, that's it, otherwise they would use another character slot.

You talk as if activating that buff takes hard work or is a one in a million. He just presses fsmash it's not like this takes a big setup or anything.

>Know my opponent is holding onto something that breaks shields.
>Continue to shield anyways.
Dumb. Faggot.

Yes now you mandatory have to stare at the percentage every two seconds you play against hero

>Whack can kill at 0

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Hero is the hero we needed, and the hero smashfags deserve.

whos that in ur pic? hes cute

>Mandatory.
>Not realizing he's just fucking STANDING STILL and applying no off-stage pressure whatsoever.
Holy fuck you idiots are bad at this game.

>from a series no-one outside of Japan gives a fuck about
Imagine still believing this.

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Dedede/Kirby can eat Whack and spit it back at you.

HA

the guy filming is the snake player

The King stays based

Kaclang is fucking good though lol.

will the release of Hero save Dragon Quest in the west?

>evaporates from Whack at 0%
Are the chances below 1% for that to happen, or is that actually common enough to be a viable spell to spam out if you see it?
Either way that's fucking hilarious that a character has the option to claim an entire stock for fucking free.

Kaclang is fucking awful, its a free hit for the enemy.

Good

The Smash Bump didn't help Bayonetta very much.

This is the saddest thing for a Mac main, it was people bitchinn about him on the fucking 3DS that brought him to perpetual low tier. Don’t be tourney bitches who scream everything’s unfair when it’s new, if tourney fags want something that never changes go play melee.

>incredibly broken character released in a game to a largely indifferent audience in the hopes it increases sales
>fails twice in a row
good ol' samurai

Well Bayonetta had the obstacle of already being out and being on the Wii U of all consoles.

It's ironic that most of the responses here are people glad to see Snake countered. I bet you're the same type of people that called for the same stuff a lot of people are calling for against this character before his release towards Snake or other zoners.
As a Snake main I relish the challenge, it lets me play the way I prefer. I enjoy being aggressive and it's gonna be fun learning the matchup however he has a lot of bullshit he can pull off that seems really oppressive right now. Any people playing this character able to give tips for the matchup?

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Who though whack killing at 0% was just fine?

Little Mac got done dirty by the patches.

I hope by the end of the weekend hero's playstyle is understood and it is clearly superior to every other character and it breaks the competitive scene

I've never once been hit because of Kaclang. It lasts so long nobody's got the timing down. You can also use it to lame out matches when the clock is running down.

Builders 2 is already selling best on Switch so maybe a little, but like any Dragon Quest interest it never lasts.

Bully him so he can't roll for Bounce. And if he does, you can probably just camp him easily.

The main things is to not let him breathe, because then he'll fish for buffs.

Master the basics of CQC

You also use Kaclang as a ghetto version of Kirby's down B in the air

HOES MAD
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I heard Mewtwo got some buffs, but haven't been able to try him yet. How much better is he?

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>0:05
Snake was a retard and just stood there throwing grenades while he stacked psych up. How does this Snake's campy playstyle prove Hero is OP?
>0:24
Have you retards ever seen a Game & Watch get a 9 before?
>0:31
Are you fucking kidding me? I guess anyone who can kill their opponent with a fair when they're right next to the fucking blastzone is OP now.
>0:34
Killing with an f-smash at that percent is doable by a dozen characters. This doesn't prove a thing, especially since the Mega Man could have done so much to not get hit by that. Get up attacking, rolling behind him, waiting, using Rush to jump over him, etc.
>0:38
This idiot saw snooze in the menu, and ran right up to him when he was selecting it. Explain how this is busted.
>0:40
HE JUST FUCKING STOOD THERE AND LET HIM DO IT.

Jesus Christ, I can't even take this video seriously. The only parts of this video that are actually agreeable are 0:50 and 1:08.
Can I just ask everyone who's having problems with Hero a question? Why do you people do this? Why do you stand still and just let Hero fuck you up? Why?

This, but also that Nintendo won't let them ban him at Evo and some unknown asshole eliminates one of the favorites by pure rng

>do one mistake
>die
exelent

tail hurtbox is basically gone

That is usually what happens after a mistake in Smash, yes.

You're so angry that you couldn't even spell excellent correctly, jesus christ.
Listen, I'm sorry you don't like the fact that people can punish mistakes in a fucking fighting game, but it's still entirely your fault for making that mistake. Don't run into smash attacks, dumb ass.

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kill yourself, pedo

>Snake was a retard and just stood there throwing grenades while he stacked psych up. How does this Snake's campy playstyle prove Hero is OP?
YOU LET HIM HAVE 1 SINGLE SECOND AFTER OUTPLAYING HIM PERFECTLY THE ENTIRE ROUND? DESERVED LOSS!

Honestly I don't even really have any problems with the random chance however giving him both deep breathing and revenge might be a little much.
youtube.com/watch?v=rVF-Bty2cZk&feature=youtu.be
This video shows my main problem at the moment, god bless GimR's soul. Hero can cover every single recovery option aside from recovering as high as physically possible and hoping you can air dodge in time.

>Randomness doesn't belong in a fighter

*laughs in Faust, Teddie, game and watch, luigi, peach, all of SF2, 64 and Melee stages, hercule, and phoenix wright*

This

no longer has a hurtbox on his tail. there's a lot of bs he could get clipped by before.
also some touch-ups on various parts of his moveset. (vulnerability is endlag/recovery frames)

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Lo, thine hoes art mad!

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IV is pretty short and very fun.

>64 and Melee stages
Brawl too

Yes, it is a deserved loss. Don't give Hero room to breathe and you'll kick his ass every time. Please explain to me how standing completely still against a character who's strongest attacks are only accessible by using a mechanic slower than the monado was in Smash 4 is ever a good idea. I'll wait.

wait you mean there were other stages than FD?

the patch cutoff date was the 17th so hes not gonna be there anyway

>try to download Joker in order to save a replay prior to updating
>download won't start, probably because I need to update first
Why Nintendo be like this

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yes

>all that shit
Holy based, finally his tail is off limits again. What does "reduced vulnerability" mean though? That he's not locked in place for as long?

less end lag

I really want to face a competent hero every one I've faced hasn't known Bowsers down b breaks shield some have even fell for it twice what does this guy play like when not handled like shit.

mac's design makes him aids to play as and aids to fight against and if you honestly believe he's a well designed character you should neck yourself

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>play a Belmont
>enemy Hero tries to use Bounce
>whip his ass into oblivion without touching B once

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>It lasts so long nobody's got the timing down
Every time I see someone use Kaclang I just spam side smash and it hits.
Literally the most worthless move in the game.

To be fair many here missed attacks and got punished properly

yes and if hero makes a mistake like that he should die for it too. character is ass in disadvantage with no way to get down and a recovery with no hitbox after startup so he's easy enough to edge guard. either combo him to death or yeet him offstage and hit him while he's charging swoosh it isnt fucking hard

Yea Forums doesnt play fighters. Also fuck teddie and his combos, I blank out when the right item doesnt come out.

Properly would have been 30-60% and stage positioning, not "rng says you die"

Time to Slice and Dice

Wait. The blue alt is Terry?

>Yea Forums
>V
You need to go back

>"worst designed smash character of all time"

Well Yea Forums, is he right?

youtube.com/watch?v=45sjOi826wQ

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this is false, mewtwo's tail hurtbox was only reduced a little bit, but the reduction was significant enough to where it's much harder to trade with his tail attacks. that and there's some z-axis shit going on now i think that makes it harder to hit but i don't have the specifics

Seething

If he doesn't like it why doesn't he go back to melee

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sakurai please stop

Armada has never been right about anything and has historically been a fucking huge whiny bitch. Pat was right.

His tail is STILL there, just less pronounced. You shouldn't get fucked by just doing a aerial or tilt, but you still need to watch out when landing and running, since that's where your tail is biggest

Hero is actually really well designed, his whole kit is cool and he looks really fun for casual nonsense with friends, all the different shit he can pull creates the good kind of jank and will make a ton of hilarious shit happen.
He's also completely broken competitively.

>twitter.com/Mini_k250/status/1156399183479353344
Okay, this is ridiculous...

This faggot lost credibility to me when he called Under Night a shill pick at EVO, called the entire FGC sheep, and shat on SamSho.

He sounds pretty based to me

Under Night was a shill pick though.

what's the second explosion after the wind shit?

fully charged neutral B

Imagine thinking Under Night wasn't a shill pick, lmao.

Why is this image so fucking based?

That purple explosion is not only a free edgeguard but can kill at 20%, fantastic

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Says the guy who needs to strip out everything from the game and turn it into a Street Fighter knockoff in order to enjoy it.

Under Night was the opposite of a skill pick, dummy. It worked its way into a main lot.
Arguably, even though I'm happy Samurai Shodown exists, now that was a shill pick because the game wasn't even out when the EVO roster was announced.

Why? Because you're so easily triggered by nothing? And you people whine about the SJWs and liberals.

Am I the only one who finds it funny when you start duking it out with a rival during a hanchan?
Like literally you and him akeep trading first and second and keep winning off each other, and then you end the match by shadow-realming someone else.
Shit is hilarious to think of knowing the other two players are barely having an effect on the game.