Underrail thread: why don't bear traps work on these FUCKS edition

>Improved Unarmed Combat does not work with gloves

Good thing I've checked the wiki before taking it, the feat description doesn't mention this.

Imagine there is people who can't make their own builds. Pathetic.

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they're spiders

>he wares gloves in unarmed builds
lol

I dunno what the special trait of vindy is

>Imagine there is people who can't make their own builds. Pathetic.
Literally me after 1500 hours of Path of Exile

Gotta stack those status effects like bleed and infected wound and overcome the DT/DR.
Pretty much all unamed feats so far also worked with gloves.

>from another user's post
rebel: plane jane, 5% crit chance, 100% crit damage, nothing to note and not worth using unless noticeably higher quality than everything else you find.
vindicator: has 1% lower crit chance, 20% higher crit damage, extra shell, xbox hueg damage range along with highest average damage, the one most worth using.
vagabond: lower spread angle (not important), 5% precision buff, lowest damage spread, use it with a short barrel since it gets the most out of having one.
>combat shotguns: sovereign, despot, tyrant
I don't use combat shotty's but it goes something like this
sovereign: standard model, like the rebel but lower damage spread and burst fire
despot: vindicator but one less shell instead of one more and burst fire
tyrant: extra round from burst fire, 15% lower crit damage, two extra shell capacity, seems designed specifically to burst and switch to another shotgun to proc sixth shell.

My first build was a metalfag magic hammer
Oddly enough it was quite fucking successfull, until Deep Caverns

nice, thanks

What happened in the DC? Forced to fight too many tchorts/faceless?

Any tips about which shotgun ammo should i use?

If a thing like goggles say Dodge chance decreased by 25%, does that mean your current Dodge stat OR your general dodge chance? Because surely there is a % chance to dodge even if you have 0 dodge, right?

always use the 20p hoppershot with shotguns its all about crits

Just finished the new dude quest. I hate it, what what Styg thinking

Decreases your dodge stat. So not necessarily 25% of your dodge chance.

First time I was blind and ignorant of the whole place
My armor, while good, was not enough, slowly taking chip damage, attrition eroding my HP with every fight
Also, didnt brought enough supplies, had like 15 bandages and 20 advanced hipos, with a few hours they all burned away with no enough resupplying possible
I reached Tchort, but there was no way for me to kill him, his tentacles did a fuckload of damage, no more heal and I was a slow ass turtle that couldnt run to save his life

I had to reload.
I was slightly upset, but also knew what to do now.
Such is life in Underrail.

>that incredibly obvious money duping glitch with buying and reselling jet skis

how the fuck did styg not catch this, it's immediately obvious the second you realize parts affect the value of a jetski

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Am I missing something at the joint security building because it just has a bunch of rape turrets outside and there's no way in hell to get near them without dying instantly.

unarmoured targets like rathounds and the first stalkers you encounter > 20p
Psi beetles leather armoured targets etc > 12p
Riot geared mooks and robots die fast enough to 6p
3p tungsten to shit on problem targets and super heavy armor

You do realize you can craft boots for that, right?

you need 75 Temporal manipulation to utilize all of its abilities.

You have less than 200 HP and you are a melee fighter. you will be 1 hit KO'd often. You cannot do melee and leave CON at 3. That's like doing full PSI and leaving your Will at 4. This build sucks.

ruh roh

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spooked

Just use your shield lmao. You are supposed to get through them.

I did a similar build but put points in chemistry for nades and electronics for electroshock generators on my weapons.
Can just buy those things instead of crafting them I guess.

Yep I remember when this game first came out a lot of people got stuck in Depot A and then again in Deep Caverns for similar reasons you went through.

I almost couldn't make through Tchort either, but there is a shack nearby the entrance that I kept fleeing to get out of combat and heal up.

Almost gave me a heart attack at first, but then you realize it's only there to stop you from trial and erroring.

Melee without tabis is retarded.
The ap cost reduction alone is a huge loss, and then all that mobility.

Doctor sounds better than Fast Metabolism if I don't use psi, but is it? Would be nice because of my huge health pool

Have you tried? They don't seem to affect the selling price.

what am i supposed to actually do here? i found the place while slaughtering natives and figured the spike that the ferrydude spoke about might be here but all i find is graves and hoist mechanisms

not him but the point of bareknuckle is that you can reach 4 ap attacks without tabis

>Shield instantly vaporizes in two hits

You're joking, right? This cannot possibly be the intended way.

Both are viable really
t. magic hammer guy

You don't need tabis if you're going completely unarmed.

>BEAR trap
>a fucking spider
based retard

Yes, it works, parts affect the jetski value. Take the parts out of the unique jetskis, buy it for cheap, put them back in, resell, repeat.

I just sniped the turrets with aimed shot

I bought the game an hour ago, what am I doing

Oh yeah, I can totally just dip in and out of cover and chip them down, but that's unbelievably fucking tedious and I'd have to go back to base camp for ammo.

I guess all humans in the underrail are in bear mode

I one shot them, sniper rifle + w2c

Rememeber where he struck the Skaersr? You need to find the big boner crank to interact with corpses. You can theoretically brute force through the area but it can require about 500 checks.

It's also retardedly easy to steal jet ski parts given how expensive they're supposed to be.

*poisons your entire community*

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Find an idea you like
Stick with your plan
Come back for consultation
If you're not a massive retard, provide you're playing in Normal difficulty, you -should- be fine

*reads godmen's minds*

Do enemies ever heal if they don't have hypos?

So, what was his real name? Was he one of the apex technocrats?

>playing in Normal
But that's just not fun.

Depends on the enemy. If an NPC takes damage and is unable to heal themselves it stays with them for a while. Even after leaving the zone. (Not confident enough to say that its permanent)

does crit chance roll separately for all 20 pellets?

Anton Mateev or Kirill Gavrilyuk

Play on normal
or
Get fucked by Underrail

Your choice, jack
Dont be a pipeworker

Frag grenades are like that, so I'd guess so.

yep

Checked Oculus' data base
>hideous self-experimentation
>powerful thought controller
I'd assume he's Anton then

Hard is mostly pretty chill after you understand what you're doing, I'd say maybe 1 in 10-15 fights get actually challenging.

Both share a lot of things that fit Ezra.

yeah i do but is the crank in a different area? Can't find it

It's randomly generated every time

It's either in one of the small areas with hoist mechanisms, or in one of the mechanisms.

Question:
In theory, you could use the Dreadnaught to kill the big beetles, right?

i will continue the search thank you anons

And people give Protectorate shit for gassing some drones while this dude nearly destroyed a whole community for some experiments.

I'm messing around with a hybrid tin can shotgun guy that dipped into thought control and psychokinesis as a replacement for movement.

Please tell me these camp attacks resolve themselves after awhile. I can't be bothered to do this fight a third or fourth time.

Genocide the tribals.

Just say you can't show up to the fight. Every time I did that they actually did a better job without me.

Spoken like someone who's never been the cancer dump called /vg/

>he had less troopers die on auto-resolve than by showing up
I don't think your camp is gonna survive, user.

I killed a fucking ton of them, is it just a threshold or based on killing leaders/named NPCs?

go post in the ffxiv general and let us talk about our lesser known game

Hey, new player here. Can anyone link me to one of those "Classichad" builds that I hear so much about?

cant blame them, its easy to take some useless shit that sounds good on paper. I pumped dex to 7 only to take escape artis, which later i found out it does not remove stuns, which made this nearly useless to me since im playing stealth sniper

It's both I think

Stop trying to derail the thread with your obsession for outdated exp systems.

>go to the kitchen
>there is no cooking oil
fucking

>making a general on Yea Forums
Keep going so I won't have to see you faggot shills again.

It depends on the general. /vg/ only gets when unhinged autists take up residence in a general or when the a game gets old enough that discussion dries up and the people that actually made good posts leave for something else.

What are all the camp defenses you can possibly accumulate?

Just kill everything on the northern shores. Leader locations: Magnar and Snakepriest are in the northwest, Big Guy and Burning Edgelord are in the northeast.

>You can theoretically brute force through the area but it can require about 500 checks.
The graves are randomized every time, so tha's not going to work.

because Yea Forums is only for smash threads, console peasant trolling and shitty jap anime games.

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samefag

these shitposts always start at the exact same time

I'm about to start the Expedition content. Is there any punishment for leaving DLC areas midway through them?

>*only gets bad

Nope

You mean, every time you enter the graveyard? It was false 4 days ago.

I used to post on /vn/ heavily. Lately the threads suck dick, though. Guess that's what happens in a drought of content to talk about

Just put every extra point in STR and pick the best hammer you can get. Everything else is common sense if you're a true Classichad like getting tungsten armor pummel dirty kick etc

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Seems like it. I killed most of them and the black sea waifu reports no activity whatsoever from the natives when I ring her up.

>misspelling cheatingcuck

unapolegetically based

Do not fall for the shitpost bait user. It always starts the same way.

My grave definitely moved at some point.

Yeah, sure totally sincere guy. Read this first. It will help you out a ton.

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FUCKING STOP

you're mistaken
it's always the cuck who responds to me. I'm not sorry; it's funny as fuck

How do I sail to the Black Sea on a jetski? The ferry NPCs no longer seem to have dialogue about directions to it, now that I've been there.

make me. You going to cry now?

I think it's done when you first go in. So if you came out and saved you could probably brute force scummed it.

You have to join the expedition first.

Like this guy classic poster guy. He's a perfect example of one of the insane autists that destroy /vg/ generals.

Already finished the expedition.

I did, then went back to Core City and bought a jetski. How do I sail from Core City to the Black Sea myself? Like, which direction to go?

Please explain what the fuck these sliders do.
>SCT duration
the fuck is sct?
>Time between
time between what the fuck??
>Aggregate by damage
WHAT???

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Stop interacting with this user. If he doesn't want to play nice, then fuck him.

And it is the same autist I keep calling out, because he is posting the same pictures.

your mom played nice with my DICK

classicshitters on suicide watch

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>no way to see future feat stat requirements
>no way to see minimum str requirements for weapons/metal armor
>no way to know that will is an all or nothing stat
>no way to know that you can only really focus a single weapon skill
>no way to know that social skills are a waste of points
>no way to know how important crafting skills are
>HAHA IMAGINE NOT JUST INSTANTLY KNOWING HOW TO CRAFT A GOOD BUILD

Short barrel or long barrel for shotguns? Which do I go for?

WHY LINK TO THE PREVIOUS THREAD
WHAT SORT OF AUTISM MAKES YOU THINK DOING THAT IS REQUIRED OR A GOOS IDEA

anyone got that partial list of rifts?

You dumb idiot(s) need stop trying to police the fucking thread all the goddamn time. People are going to post what they're going to post. This isn't some fucking forum where everything you have to post is "high quality" The more you try to police these threads, the shittier it's going to get and the more we'll go down the way of /vg/

What i did was find the crank->get out->save->check each corpse if it's a big guy->i knew which body part was struck, so it was not entirely a brute force.

Why do all useables have a shared 4 turn CD, what the hell. Why can't I be a grenadier or like a tinkerer using different tools. Or is there a perk or skill that I missed?

I fucking hate how you people keep making fake general threads for games that no one gives a fuck about except some incel hipsters. You faggots do the same thing for Risk of Rain. Give it up, or go to /vg/ with the rest of the autistics.

extreme East

I dunno but I imagine the easiest way to find out is to go back to the expedition then ride your shitty jetski out of the black sea and figure out where you are when you come out then go back and get your good one

When will you retards understand that they're doing it on purpose to kill the thread? You're just giving them the attention they seek.

temporal rewind, grenadier, and flashbangs don't share the CD

I fucking hate how you people couldn't even become a janny and stew in your own inability to police the board while your Hot Pocket sits half eaten on your filthy desk

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I want to bring back Biocorp.

hey this game looks pretty cool, anyone has some nice webms?

>>>/ffxivg/

Literally two feats named grenadier and tinker.

i know what you're doing you piece of shit and its not going to work

Self policing is almost always a good thing. A big part of the reason Yea Forums has reached such a shitty condition in the first place is because people stopped calling others out on and making fun of them for being huge, dumb, annoying faggots.

All usables don't share the same cooldown and there is a grenadier perk that reduces the cooldown of grenades by two.
Throwing nets, tasers, cloaking devices, damage grenades, cc grenades, et cetera are all on separate cooldowns.

Can someone hook a brother up with a hard+ viable spear build?
inb4 brainlet

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>Tfw you make a build and ut works beyond expectations
The best

Turns out a sniper build can combine with a glass cannon psionic mania psi build pretty well.
>Snipe 1 enemy
>Premeditation plus mania cryoball another couple
>Aimed shot
>Haste+adrenaline
>Another sniper shot
>Can freeze any survivor if needed

You make yourself into the bigger, dumber, and most annoying faggots of all trying to do janny work.

i started out playing with classic, went through a couple missions and got shit on immediately by acid mutants. tried with oddity, and it forced me to explore a hell of a lot more before going through the main story causing me to become less shit at fighting things and finding a lot more equipment for my arsenal. probably won't play classic anymore.

Finally beat those native fucks after thinking to use caltrops before the battle. Absolutely not intended for a level 15 melee guy to beat.

What're the differences between the two jetskis? Should I nig the battery off the one as a backup? And how long until those swedish ungabungas come back?

Why did he do it lads?

asking for a build doesn't make you a brainlet user
I don't know though

>>no way to see future feat stat requirements
Press show all feats button
>>no way to see minimum str requirements for weapons/metal armor
Read what STR does
>>no way to know that will is an all or nothing stat
Read what will does
>>no way to know that you can only really focus a single weapon skill
But you shouldn't
>>no way to know that social skills are a waste of points
They aren't
>>no way to know how important crafting skills are
You don't need to know that at level 1

For science and the future of humanity.

Immortality experiments. And it worked.

Best way to play spears? They seem so schizophrenic with their spear block.

>150 posts
>sub 50 IP's

tick tock underbabs, its almost time to go back home to /vg/

Between which jetskis? The scrapper and junker? There are about the same in quality. Scapper is medium sized and junker is small sized. So if you have good stuff for medium sized jets go scrap and visa versa.

If you are a melee build. I highly recommend the torpedo or phaser as your final jet. The damage bonus and chance of hit on them is good.

You can kill Wyatt, so he's not immortal. It's more of a life extension/ubermensch thing.

On one dude out of who knows how many.

It's called biological immortality. Fun fact, there is a kind of jellyfish that has it. They don't usually live more than a couple of years because something inevitably will eat them, but technically they could live forever.

Based

>the fuck is sct?
It says it right there on top of the list, open your eyes bre.
>time between what the fuck??
SCTs
>WHAT???
How retarded are you? Do you want SCTs aggregated by damage or not?

But it did. That's big in itself.

yeah, the starting ones. I don't have jack shit for either.

Should I be worried about using my time wisely lest those natives show up? or am I free to explore and diddle around with my thumb up my ass

You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

So now that it's been out for a while, pure psi is still good, right?

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eggs are trash

Actually... wheeze... On two guys at least...

Better than ever because Temporal Manip is absurdly strong.

>9/10 of the way through expedition
>haven't picked up any loot in 100 years
>run out of money
>go back and loot everything in the world I left behind
>now I'm that guy from core city trying to sell shit
fuck me

Nah, he's just your regular mutie, just a mild one.

I wonder if Ezra, Dude, and Abram are all biologically immortal.

So how old is that temporal trainer anyway? He seems to be leaving out a lot of shit about his and looks entirely too youin

More broken than ever just imho
It's Stygs' golden child after all while some 17 per sniper builds can still waste 150 action points and 3 turns without hitting shit because of bad RNG.

it's better than ever

I felt like there was plenty of time to explore for me with any problems, and I just auto-resolved the invasions anyways. But from what I've been told the expedition can get exterminated if you let the natives keep attacking. So I honestly can't help you here.

Just got to Junkyard with my Cyborg Ninja Raiden build. Which of these feats would you prioritize first: Decapitate, Expose Weakness, Cheap Shots, or Uncanny Dodge.

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Patience, user. Patience.

For a guy over a hundred years old he looks alright, so it should have worked partially, atleast.

>Expose Weakness
this so fucking much unless you want to be fucking worthless VS robots, armored enemies, etc

decap isn't the greatest, cheap shots is a must

Def expose weakness for the upcoming turrets and robots

I think all muties are long lived, but Wyatt is something else.

nice. any spoiler-free hints on getting the defenses up?

It is possible to beat the game as melee without it, but you need electric weapons.

fuck charging them bitches up

>One of the greatest, if not THE greatest scientific breakthrough in the history of mankind
>Murder him for free shit from his shack

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After a first mission, you should be able to activate 2 plasma turrets and NIGGA Protector. Also, some mines in the southeast.

check out computer consoles in those crazy looking ruins that are around the black sea

That's probably better than the fate he'd be subjected to if he was captured by people interested in the experiments.

>not taking based ass POWAHFISTO
Its like you wanna hear the *tink* sound effect bre.

Meh, there's other crazier fucking shit in Underrail.

Is there a way to get this jetski in the joint security base working? I'm assuming there's some way to do it to avoid the FUCKING HUGE pile of tribals waiting for me outside.

>not punching steel plate armor with your bare hands
>not denting and breaking said steel plate armor with your bare hands
pleb

Like the absolute fucking entirety of the Lemurians. Seriously, what the fuck lads. Why did they start worshipping a FUCKING LEVIATHAN.

based fag always trying to one-up

more like
>murder him for some shitty revolver in a world of energy weapons

Now, he will eventually get captured by Oculus since I told Abram about him. Or Ezra if he decides to stop being a neet.

Possibly, possibly what at what price, maybe, but if he is it's a sucky kind.

I noticed this actually. I started expedition with my original character who was with classic and I got 1 level over the whole thing.

That's what happens when you inhale and eventually inject fucking alien dust

Explore the building to its fullest potential. There is an engine and battery located there, although it might be locked, I cant remember. Also, get the key from the officer in the war room

It drives people, especially psionics, fucking insane, man. Doesn't take much imagination.

Crystal affected their minds. Forskarr Flottsormir, bre.

>Ezra
>not staying a NEET for the rest of his immortal life
I'd drag his ass to North Underrail if I could, but some things were not meant to be.

how's this?

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>Quick Tinkering - Setting traps while in combat will now cost 25 action points
>Quick Tinkering - Setting traps while in combat will now cost 25 action points
>Quick Tinkering - Setting traps while in combat will now cost 25 action points
>Quick Tinkering - Setting traps while in combat will now cost 25 action points
>Quick Tinkering - Setting traps while in combat will now cost 25 action points

don't you dare nigger

STYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYG

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>Continuum Ripple: Chance per spec point changed to 2% (down from 3%)
NOOOOOOOOOOO

>finally got stasis

Fucking hell, had to join the tentacle monster cult

Added Quick Tinkering: Action Points specialization - Decreases action point cost of setting traps using quick tinkering by 5 for each specialization point. Can be taken 5 times.

>makes feat shittier
>makes you spend spec points to get it back how it was

Bre...

Let Ezra enjoy his immortal life, man. Until the planet's sun inevitably envelops him.

Sixth Shell - will now also grant 10% (+2% per specialization) damage bonus per "shell count" buff stack; the final damage will not be changed
N I C E

The sun is crawlers

if it costs AP why not remove the cooldown stygger

>shotshitters and spearchuckers pooped on
Heh. Time magic next crutch babs.

Who the fuck is this fire crotch?

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I dunno, I fucked him and his pals up bigtime tho

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Just a wana be Magnar.

Just got to Junkyard for the first time, is there a way to get into Depot A without needing to get Elwood's key? I can't pickpocket him, and the guards in the gambling house kick my ass if I try to kill him

>Fixed the discrepancy between stealth detection in turn-based and real-time mode; TB should now be much closer to RT one, especially when it comes to movement
There goes stealthing with only stealth gear and no investment.

Where do you view patch notes?

>[Expedition] Shotguns are now perfectly balanced and there's no need to think about it further

...

>Shotgun damage reduced by 10% (both combat and regular)
Fucking seriously Styg?

About fucking time

What is the best CRPG to start with for newcomers to the genre?

Does he have a wraith ghost too?

>always used the turn based mode to cheese through narrowly placed enemy groups like the warehouse with the shields
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Overwatch

Underrail 2 better let me become a cyborg
If the faceless commander gets to have a laser gun arm then i should too damnit

Underrail on Classic mode.

Fallout

>temporal trainer
>you will never be an enternally young chad giving female player characters special "lessons" on their own room (for free)

Underrail, ATOM or The Age of Decadence are all my favorite modern CRPGs. You could always play Fallout and Planescape: Torment if you want to play the classics

Alright, in the interest of saving myself time: I need to get to Abyssal Station. Do I need to go to where the submarine is and call Ferryman or some shit or do I need to go to where the coordinates for that base are actually located?

Elwood is easy prey. You just have to kill him in one turn when no one is looking. Use the hallway between to two gambling areas. You can shut off the power to disrupt guard patrols if you need to.

Alternatively, there is a way to Depot A without Elwood but its more difficult than just killing him. You need 85 lock-picking and you can lock-pick the building nearby those thugs who charge you 5 charons to cross. Not recommended, just kill Elwood.

Underrail

>not having temporal manipulation yourself
mortal normie pleb, I bet you have to drink juice to see the paranormal

Absolutely BASED

Should have sided with the Black Eels.

>just cleared Depot A with my spear build
>spear throw gets nerfed
NOOOOOOOO

Find Ferryman in person and tell him about needing to haul something. He'll ask for 700 shekels.

>Supersteel Sheet will now grant mechanical resistance and threshold bonus against all edge melee weapons; this will not be applied retroactively to already crafted/generated armors
lmao enjoy making new armor supersteel fags

user, seriously. You still don't understand.

Thanks user, I'll see what kind of cheese I can pull off

so, can the duplicated ripples from temporal distortion re-apply themselves a second time?

Fucking finally.

Abysaal station is underwater. So yeah.. If you want it spelt out to you:
Yes its deep in the sea, get the ferryman to bring the submarine to L2 coordinate and make sure you pay him and he agrees before going there. You also need to make sure you have recorded the coordinate from that one building you should of already explored

explain it to me

Right. I remember now. I'm officially out of money. God I hope I'm done with the DLC soon.

>95% chance to hit
>miss
>miss
>miss

>enemies turn
>stun
>stun
>entangled
>poison
>cripple
>DEAD

I wonder why he decided to change it now.

git gud

You will never experience this.

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>74% chance to hit
>miss 4 times in a row
That's XCOM!

because testers talked about it on Discord

Kill yourself already.

fucking discord trannies

can you tell me where in the L2 tile the sub is supposed to be when it gets there? It isn't where I found it anymore, the ferryman won't talk to me about it anymore but I can't find it in L2

>he nerfed Temporal Distortion
fuck

don't be mean or I will talk about [insert everything you like] too

>Sixth Shell
>Kneecap Shot
Your legs are not OK.

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Abyssal station is breddy gud. DO NOT GIVE ACONR TO PROFESSOR, HE'S A BIG KEK.

The DLC ost is really fucking good

>not owning the GoG release so you can roll back to whatever version you want

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I can do better.

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Not really.

why he mad

what happened to GOD how am i supposed to download this game now

Fuck those guys. Don't they have better things to do than talk Styg into nerfing stealth?

Continuum ripple already low chance got lowered
and temporal distortion now breaks incapacitation (like from flashbangs and mind crush)

>you will never be a greasy old man tricking young female player characters by special "lessons" on their own room (for free)

...Fucking how?

Because I walked away with his illusion machine.

>linking previous threads

>>/vg/

>Is it the necklace?

When it triggers or when it's casted?

We don't talk him into nerfing stuff, really, he does that himself. If anything ,we argue him into buffing stuff. The riot gear buff? I've argued about this with him for like an hour at 2 AM.

pirated this game what are some tips
also should i buy it eventually for the updates if i like it

Medallion, and yes.

Goddamn, that big bastard did not fuck around. Can't wait to merc his ass with my completely unarmed build.

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Since it always broke incap when triggered, probably when cast
I'll have to check
maybe it was a rare bug and it didn't affect me

I pirated it a while back and played for a few hours, dropped it like I do with most games (no reason, simply never booted it up again). Now because of all these goddamn threads, I bought the game and expansion, and am getting back into it again.

Ripple is random to begin with and it still caps at 45%. It's a good feat but Distortion's main power always comes from enormous single target damage.
It doesn't break incapacitation when you cast it, it breaks it when it triggers (and it didn't whch was a clear bug).

>[Expedition] Sixth Shell - will now also grant 10% (+2% per specialization) damage bonus per "shell count" buff stack; the final damage will not be changed
YES
>[Expedition] Spear Throw - Base damage changed to 125% (down from 150%) and damage per unit of range changed to 20% (down from 30%)
NOOOOOOO

Rathounds kill me. Pls help with a starting build for a retard.

When it triggers. It's not a big deal. But I'm pissed about losing 1/3 of my specialization's value.

You should buy it, it's cheap. Pick at least 1 combat skill (or several psi skills) and max it and related stat each level you can.

Eh, not that big of a deal.

Can I get some tips or builds for a psi monk?

Camping chokepoints build.

lol, poor tranquility builds

They are sitll strictly better than psychosis.

The base changes in addition to the specialization nerf really hurts spear throw.

Keep coping, dog. Keep at the cope.

Every thread

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Looks like it's time to stack critical power and cheap shots instead.

Ey, it's a 10 point investment. I'm fully dedicated to my craft.

I don't need to waste almost a hundred psi to cast a fucking Contraction you aids-ridden psycho.

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Animals can't open doors or do ranged attacks, go from that premise and shit on them

>tfw you had a TM build but it was boring and so you rerolled to psychosis MT
hahahaha, I DO have psychic powers.

wellp looks like I have a bug to report, if you call the ferryman on the radio and ask him to move the sub without actually paying him first, but having talked to him about the sub before you open the gate, he agrees to move the sub for you and the sub disappears but it doesn't show up in L2
unless the ferrynygg stole it lol

I don't care, man. It's not nice. It just isn't. How will I cheese Abram's quest with 11 stealth from now on? Do something useful instead you assholes.

I might eventually get the expansion. How fugged am I if I play 1/4 of the game then bite the bullet? Where does the expansion data lie?

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What did the patch do?

around level 15 but you can do it as soon as you get to core city, it's like jharkendar for gothic 2

>using SS in the first place

The expansion according to user's, can be activated at any time. But it's for people around level 15-ish.

Nerf.

neither do I. I get the one good thing about your spec (free psi pool) from the expansion area now. You also might want to look into Doctor's Belt and crafting gear; sounds like Tranquility is being used to prop up your lack of knowledge about playing a psi build.

Not true, Jharkendar had more teleports.

You tried talking to him? Otherwise, wait a little bit and see what happens. It might require game time for him to actually perform the action.

Shotguns are now better but temporal and spears got nerfed

it is better to start over since there's quite a few new feats which are also low level.

You don't need any stealth for the prison break.

underrail.com/forums/index.php?topic=1566.30
Looks like he's fixing some of the other bugs in the game right now that have been around. That's pretty cool. Lot of nerfs though.
>Temporal Distortion will now properly break incapacitation/freeze
That was a feature come on.

Patch notes where? What changed?

lol, keep coping

>crabs are immune to stuns
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Posted above your post

No matter what psi pool you get, tranquility gets way better deal. More casts, cheaper casts, cheaper support psi, and significantly so at that, those 20% are significant no matter what psi cost reduction you get. Congrats on critting with that ice ball you airds ridden dog, i'm going to enjoy ass loads of crowd control and thermodynamic destabilization memes as usual.

>10% lower damage across the board
>better
uh...

Your samefag is adorable

yeah, I talked to him in person and on the radio again and there's no dialog options for it anymore
I actually played like 5 hours real time between when I made the radio call to him, I went through the entire cancer swamp and raised a bunch of money and some other shit lol, I'd say it's possible that the swamp doesn't count as being in the black sea for that timer purpose but I spent a bunch of time riding around the black sea back and forth looting shit and looking for the sub too

What about Incapacitation?

the fuck are you even talking about?

>more DR ignore
>sixth shell gives up to 20% more damage each shot

Not the prison break, the bug planting. And in case it wasn't obvious I'm just joking, this fix should have happened a long ass time ago. Fuck Discord and Discord fags though, that's namefagging on steroids.

how do you get back to core after starting expedition?

>previous thread
>edition

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What is the most unorthodox way to finish the game?

like circumventing some major factions or doing it while being hostile to them.

Any of you temporal manipulation niggers can tell me if the damn distortion spreads more than once with continuum ripple, like can distortions that already spread get duplicated on other targets?

>no borderless window

only for a single shell type. the rest got worse.

>psi cost
>mattering after level 10
you really just don't have any idea how to play the game. That's fine. Keep on being shitty.

Do the first quest with the mutants totally then you get access to someone who will ferry you back or take your jetski and drive back.

talk to the leader guy after you do a couple things and he'll assign a jetski guy to take you back to core city, also you can ride your own jetski back if you want

Am I supposed to be really low level all throughout oddity? I'm like lvl 12 1/2 and I've done most of the stuff you get assigned straight out of finishing Depot A (and a few other things). Still getting chain hit and rekt'd by most bandits / ect.

cool, thanks bois

Yes it can keep going.

stop linking previous threads you faggot
youll make jannies get mad and delete it eventually

Does the sonocaster count as a firearm type pistol or energy type pistol for the purpose of feats? Also why the fuck can't the save system be on a per character basis, i have 3 different builds I want to play

they're too busy re-rolling or suiciding themselves, but yes, it can. You have to wait the turns though for them to go off unless you get a 1 duration on the things you're going to spread it to by having it casted on them the turn before.

Yes

Psi costs ALWAYS matters since all sources of psi cost reduction stack. Your 20% debuff and the fact you get cucked out of Meditation are always going to be significant, even more so thanks to timefag buffs and debuffs being fairly costly.

I think you didn't look around is all. I am 15 1/2 and just finished Rail Crossing and am on Dude's quest. I still have Core City and the Foundry left to do.

I don't know if I should go to those places before the DLC

Melee Builds:

>Unarmed
The only way to play 'em.
>Sledges
For pansies who don't have the courage to beat people to death with their bare hands.
>Machetes
CRAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIN! THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEEEEAL! FEAR IS HOW I FAAAAAALLL! DISTORTING WHAT Is REAAAAAL!
>Spears
Compensation for small or no dicks. Good utility and fun playstyles but lacking in intestinal fortitude.
>Knives
lol, enjoy your 3 CON glass cannon ass.

>he can't make boosters on the spot and rewind their cooldown in combat
>he can't end battles with one guaranteed crit
you're mad as fuck for someone who's supposed to be "tranquil" lmao

So is time magic basically dead now?

that was done on purpose. Good job on spotting the obvious.

Nah, just tranquility builds specializing in it.

>machetes
someone post the image

you know the one

Nah, but it wasn't worth going HAM into it to scale the buffs and debuffs before, and now I DEFINITELY think it's not worth it.

My own psi build stopped at 60 on it, and that's probably where I'll keep it now.

What's that, this trivial shit is what you preach as knowing how to play the game?
You dicklets can't even rewind without spending half of your psi pool.

But Stasis is so good.

Is that all I do now? Decide who I give this thing to? I know I've missed some stuff but did I actually finish it?

>what is psi cost reduction?

Not at all. Distortion is a ridiculously strong single target ability, by far the best out of anything that can crit. You can completely offset the Ripples with Thermodynamic Destabilization.

>trying to Stealth your way into having a general on Yea Forums

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nigga spend the 10 points on stasis

Yup now go visit some important people for some neat lore.

>he listens to the shitty in-game music
lmao

Yup, but forecefield works and I REALLY need to get electronics up. My build has 262 loose points, so the last ones will go into TC, TM to 70, and Mercantile but I gotta Big Dog my crafting first.

Go to core city, meet with tape worm god, and go meet CRAAAAAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIN! THESE WOUNDS THEY WILL NOT HEEEEAL! FEAR IS HOW I FAAAAAALLL! DISTORTING WHAT Is REAAAAAL!

I will, but no need until I find the trainer/item to teach it to me, right?

Did anybody ever bother with daggers?
They seem like a big meme to me but maybe I'm missing something.

You mean the thing you dicklets need to utilize to reach a simple base cost without access to Meditation?
Not a thing you really can utilize that well on psychosis, really. Stick to stacking crit change and powering up your ice ball, dog.

Just so you know with the int pill and under pie plus the crafting benches the minimum for crafting is lower than ever.

Does the expansion give new build options? Or is it just more of the same but you do it better?

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EARLY GAME HERE
HOW MANY RATHOUNDS IS REQUIRED TO JUSTIFY RAMMING MOLOTOVS UP THEIR ASSES

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based fuck this shitty ambient music

flares work to disperse them too

Yes new psi schools, weapons, and everything else really a good portion of which is added as a part of the base game once you get the DLC.
DLC is very good.

ESL is MAAAAAAAAAAD.
>cost: 35
Tranquility fuckers can't read, confirmed

I have never seen this level of cope. There's tons of shit psychosis can use to completely negate the psi cost gimp and regular old psi cost.

Anyone know where the ethereal torch is? I can't seem to find it. Also on a potentially related matter how do you get up to the statue in the jaws? Do I have to massacre the pirates and go through there?

The Boneyard Graveyard. Make sure you get the rune from based exiled savage and learn where the big fucker got hit.

>[Expedition] Shotguns are now perfectly balanced and there's no need to think about it further
Whew styg mad

Yeah, but I neglected electronics pretty hard. I'm not saying I won't get stasis, just figure I should leave it until I can actually learn it.

What happened in the Discord?

Do you have THE SHARD yet?
And yes you either have to be buddies with the pirates or go murder a shitload of pirates

There's a discord? I just thought it was a funny line from today's patch notes

there are spots where you have cover from them; you just have to do them one by one

I'm sure its awful as a nonpsi meleefag

Nothing

trannies
always uwu larping discord trannies

can you faggots stop shilling this game, it's annoying to no end. Just make your own thread on /vg/ and fuck off

>he didn't hear the simple SGS riff for so many hours that it invades his dreams
>he doesn't wake up unconsciously humming it while preparing for another Underkino session

nope

Nothing can negate not having access to 25 fucking more psi, you poor soul.
Get back to spamming one ability and having literally no utility when you don't manage to wipe the encounter with it.

Sorry. I'm gonna start shilling smash and ecelebs again instead!

just wait until you hear it

literally just filter the word "underrail" if you dislike seeing it that badly, nigger

To get torch you need 2 things: 1) listen carefully to ferryman's or yngvar's tales.
2) once you get the thing they tell you about, you need to be able to look at it, or find someone able. Cheers!
You can sneak around the pirate base to get to the caves and eventually monolith.

God I can't help but want to merc that Hexagon faggot.

Huh. So I guess that's that. I'm sure Six has something to say if I hold onto it the entire game but I'm not sure how willing I am to go put up with the Deep Caverns, especially after all the shit Black Sea threw at me.

stay mad nigger

good mutt!keep buying! consume consume! consume!
the cia brainwashing is working well on this one!

In other words, 42 on a build that doesn't have access to Meditation. Enjoy.

>he thinks psi points matter
holy fuck, so much cope for taking shitty ass neurology and meditiation

CIARail is so based!!! get my insulin pump for my diabets agent chang!

>all game discussion is shilling
lmao

it's possible to roll 1-4 3 times in a row on a 20 sided dice

Haha guys it's time for your daily Steve thread! Can't wait for him to be the next smash character!

what the fuck is wrong with you niglet

We've already concluded that they do matter and matter a lot, even for the basic bitch time rewind you're going to use at extra price.
At this point you're just repeating yourself while looking like an absolute mouthbreather. A tragedy.

>BRAAAPP
the sound of the mutt fat wife dying of diabets
come in come in agent chong get the insulin rifle we got a live one
>yes sir yes sir captain ching chang! ACTIVATE THE CIARAIL SYSTEMS! its on sir!
>CIARAIL ON WHERE DO I DUMP THE DIABEUTES INTO THE WATER
>ENTIRE WORLD TURNS TO AMERICA

Six doesn't give a shit but her cares about your cool torch.

Incendiaries and Explosives
Gas Grenades
Flash Bangs

All on separate cooldowns, Grenadier feat shaves 2 seconds off of each one, putting gas grenades on 1 turn cooldown, so make sure you learn how to make those.

oddity or classic?

oddity because you get xp for quests, exploration, and off monsters

Oddity or you will be hilariously overleved in expedition

classic, because oddity is boring

Whats better amplified shields of efficient ones?

Christ why cant jannies do their fucking jobs and remove thread that don't belong here... is it rlly that hard to make a thread on another board?

it should at least do some damage and give them a temporary slow

its autism
they are neurologically incapable of understanding

biocorp discovered some serious future threat, and they knew their society was going to crumble, so they REALLY needed to find a way to become immortal so they could stick around to deal with it

>why the fuck can't we have 1000 more anime porn threads instead of a thread about video games?!?!?!
kill yourself fatty

Torch? Fuck is that? Is it that thing I broke off from the Jaws?

Just shut the fuck up this board's moderation doesn't know what it's doing.

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Not at all. It's just the psi cost that matters. Actual increased psi capacity is meaningless and a waste of feats that could be spent on improving your abilities. You're the one who literally keeps repeating themselves harping on about the psi cost when it's really not that big of a deal, especially now with Advanced Psi Empathy. Face it man, you wasted your time going tranquil for a measly 5 ap discount on your abilities at full health. Fact that you'll probably never go first without stealth ensures it'll never apply to you most of the time.

Classic is more or less the same as Oddity, except you also get EXP for killing enemies. End result is you always rapidly out level the content and hit level cap way before you should.

Please don't.

>discuss video games
>thread doesn't belong here
Checks out

you've replied to the other replies, but not mine telling you to just filter the word underrail. why?
dumb fucking nigger
drop off, nigger

Nah, that's just pure carbon.

>imagine being incapable of following basic instruction on a site
well at least im' not retarded

>He missed it

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Classic was the generic placeholder exp mode before the dev got around to programming oddity. The game wasn't balanced around it, and it makes the game basically easy no matter the difficulty (added monsters in hard/dominating = even more exp inflation). Like oddity, you do not need to loot every single thing and kill every single monster to get to max level. You will however always be overleveled and the game will be a LOT easier than on oddity. If that's your jam, play classic.

Oddity is the intended exp system, unique to underrail, the dev wants you to play. You will get just as much exp no matter the difficulty. Like classic, you do not need to loot every single thing and kill every single monster to get to max level, many oddities can be found everywhere and there is a lot of duplicates throughout the game. If that's your jam, play oddity.

this horde?
lol just fight em bro

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No. It's related to the same monolith though. Listen to Ferryman's tales to begin the search.

so subnigger here
I reloaded a save from five fucking hours ago
found the ferryman in person instead of calling him on the radio
then fucked around a while until he had left the place I found him in person
sub is at L2 now in the obvious spot so before I clearly got bugged
fucking hell

>implying /vg/ doesn't exist
thanks for proving my case that you guys are just retards

>Expedition] Shotguns are now perfectly balanced and there's no need to think about it further

Are spear builds fucked now with the nerf?

How are knife builds anyway? I barely read about anyone playing them, which is usually not a good sign.

What would you consider the most fun melee build right now?

I probably missed a lot of things, honestly. I didn't really like the DLC all that much.

No, spear throw just isn't op as fuck anymore.

>he's mad he isn't a janny so he has to LARP as one
hahahaha, what a fucking loser. Eat a dick, nigger. Enjoy the thread you can nothing to stop!

So anyways, are you supposed to light up all these Gray Soldier fucks? I've been sneaking around pretending to be one of them, but I kind of want to fight them to see what they have on them.

Worth it?

Yeah now instead of one-shotting tchort you need two shots!

>pretending Yea Forums isn't inundated with that cancerous Smash shit that should have been consigned to /vg/ years ago, instead we're forced to endure endless flooding for this garbage
>but no one thread about a tiny game that got an expansion after years is totally ruining Yea Forums right guys
>we really need another 15 threads about Smash right now
>and another 20 about DQ in Smash
>and 37 more trolling threads about Minecraft faggotry in Smash and GUESS WHO GOT IN threads too

>dabbing on based west underrailers
nah

you will get fucking slaughtered by their spec-ops

>rlly
Do you remember when we used to lynch niggers that typed like this here? When the fuck did these retards become accepted on any board on the 4chins?

They have okay stuff but the problem is the Spec Ops come out if you start killing them and they're a pain in the ass.

kek based

if you're a stealth character the spec ops armor is pretty alright
they spawn in the second area once one of them hit an alarm.
it didn't spawn them when I tried it.

So Sixth Shell is now mandatory isn't it?

What does the dumbass slav fag say about you when you approach him wearing a grey army unifrom?

if they aren't loaded with oddities, it's fine. I'll not pick a fight. My inventory is a little full because I was questing prior to drinking with Dude

the dude in the drones base? haven't tried it, but that's an interesting thought

There's an oddity in there

I am the rathound king
Get fucked deathy

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Tells you about cultural appropriation.

They speak gibberish, but using persuasion I've been able to pretend I have a bad cough and can't talk

[broken serb talk]

I cant believe im saying this but he should listen to his playerbase in Yea Forums, not Discord

>10%-20% more damage every shot
yeah

I meant Kokoschka

Shit, figured I'd need the torch to actually clear the place. Any idea where the crank may be? I can't seem to find it anywhere and I already got the drawing but I didn't notice any runes but maybe I need to flare the place up to see better. Thanks for the help though

You can use the marsh honey or tesla armor to light up.

yeah but at least they don't
>previous thread
>"hurr meme xd" edition

>Any idea where the crank may be?
It's random.

>I barely read about anyone playing them, which is usually not a good sign.
they're okay, just relatively boring

I played one on dominating up to lvl 14; my easiest playthrough until I tried a psifag.

Yeah I read as much. Where'd you find yours? In the same camp area as the boneyard?

How is it boring when you have this?

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It's in the boneyard. It'll be somewhere just lying around or inside a gate.

Look closely to the left side of the hoist mechanisms, runes are there

>tfw you will never have a harem composing of Evelyn, Amelia, the psi twins, Ljubostanka, Heidi, and Vivian.
feels bad man

Thanks, that'll save me researching the entire camp

How is Expedition?

Also, why doesn't it come with additional cheevs?

>What would you consider the most fun melee build right now?
It was and will always be barehanded unarmed ones.

>Ljubostanka
who

Styg rightly recognizes cheevos as cancer.

Expedition is totally apex.

Boulder of a woman in the dropzone who carries around a sledge.

Did they add shotguns in the DLC? How does that work? Do you need the DLC to get shotguns? Are they only in the new area? I want to make a build specifically with riot armor and shotguns if that's the case, but I don't want to get cucked if you can't even get one till level 15.

Another question for you lads, what do I do about the ghosts they're stopping me from interacting with stuff

>riot armor and shotguns
Shotguns are twohanded

that explains why I haven't seen her. I'd assume she's in the foreigner portion right? is she hostile? she might be a random encounter then.

if you have the DLC shotguns are retroactively added to all zones in the game, including new shotgun enemies
it's possible to get a shotgun before you get to junkyard

>no sawed off in one hand
dropped.

Cut throat is great, but what's to stop you from doing a DEX based sword build and just carrying a pimped knife for cut throat?

Please rate my time traveling gunslinger

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You can't. You have to desecrate that dead motherfucker before they show up.

Ah hell, there goes that idea. What can you use with riot armor? I want to larp as an enforcer. I suppose I could do without the riot armor too.
Thanks for the info

you can a shotgun within the first few hours of starting a game. or a shitty one from lucas in the armory, but that one isn't worth it, you get 25 shells and more shells are expensive.

Don't interact with any stuff except the required one (bone crank and that one corpse)

check your inbox first

Will seems high for running only one school.

if you minimize the feats window, we can actually see all your feats

Fug. Does that mean if I already spawned them I have to load a save?

Three pointer better be in those feats I can't see. Why no mechanics?

There's a reason why the game saves before you enter the graveyard.

yeah, will is too high
lockpicking is too high
chemistry is too high
biology is too high
we're missing like 8 of your feats

Where do I find this weapon?

>choppy 24fps
actually dropped this game as soon as it started

Beat expedition

You don't. The weapon finds you.

gecata by movavi?

based fuck this bad fallout clone and its shitty fps

how do you get anything less than 60fps in a game like this?
what kind of toaster are you trying to play it on?

You can trade the macguffin from expedition to the edgelord for his sword. Or ignore his attempt to meet you and he'll try to kill you.

works on my machine

>people actually playing this game without putting points into hacking

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>Its ok if its a remake!

How do I drag Erza as a companion, I want him to blow the Tchortists' front doors out with his withered augmented brain

>putting points into worthless skill
>can't hack music "puzzle"

i have a 20100ti and 300gb ram

Totally unnecessary
>b-b-but the turrets and robots
Just smash em

>no yngwar companion

That is exactly what you should do. Except you should be using spears because they're better.

>no mony because im a brainwashed CIA mutt
based! consume! consume! CONSUME!!

obsessed

>biology is too high
Do you not like drugs?

Also did the lockpicking cap not change with expedition?

New player, not really understanding what role each armor takes. Can anyone explain the different types and why or why not you should spec into one or multiple?

brap brappp pfhfftt the sound of your fat mutt wife
your wife goes BRAPFFFHFHFPPF my wife goes pff

the highest locks in the game are still around 130.
best lockpicking tool in the game +15
3 pound armor suit in expedition locking/hacking +10
jackknife +7
most locks I see in expedition are around 100-110

I already told you, you dumb fucking nigger
filter. the. thread.
are you even fucking awake?
fuck off already, fucking no life

you only need 130 biology
100 until DC

and yeah, you cant be a gunslinger without mechanics/electronics

this. you will want to make your own rapid reloader pistol for more shots a turn

Where the fuck is the warehous myles needs? What the fuck kind of slavnigger directions are
>follow eastern platform south of rail crossing
Fuck off Im outta this shithole, hopefully these maskniggers kill all of yous

>150 biology
for
what
purpose

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>he isn't a 10 INT scientist

I guess the caltrops would be really effective, but I can't see why it would be the highest in the game just to make a combat utility

YOU LIE

What if i'm just planning on using wasteland hawk and/or sonocaster?

How? I have a i3 relic and still get 60 fps.

>10% increase in damage taken by all sources

>that one dude in the previous thread that irrationally hated metathermics

Thats the other one isn't it? Leper? Heartbreaker was the burst after 3 turns depending on stacks

then it wouldn't really matter as much then. wasteland hawk and .44 exploding bullets would be nice though, can't remember if you would actually need mechanics to make them however.

Alrighty, I managed it by just running past them and kiting them so I had enough time. Definitely would not recommend it though. I'm assuming next I take this to the jaws?

redpill me on this game

What about gloves
Im running 10 con 10 dex
Just started
Will go all crit dex steamrolling niggas like Im a broke hoover dam

retarded indie game
all attacks are critical
all enemies have stimpack
1970 graphics

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Nah either get drunk off the juice or bring it to Azif

Guys... Fellas.... Please....

To clarify, I'm not really sure what the downside of big heavy armor is except for the 8=9 strength requirement. I admit, I don't understand what every part of the equipment screen means, like the percentage on the bottom.

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Yeah I thought so. Well I definitely have the room for it just in case if I drop chemistry. I actually forget why I wanted it. Napalm grenades probably

found the guy who took recklessness

So has anyone found ways to improve the defense on the Aegis-Sec island?

That's leper and only mechanical which makes throwing knives suddenly very attractive

Higher armor penalty means less movement points.

Hack the turrets
Fix the naga
Find the naval mines

yeah, I don't see any point to level past napalm grenades, unless you want to make high level acid pistols.
good luck man

Oh, that sucks pretty bad then. Good tradeoff I suppose. Is there ever any reason to use leather armor over tactical?

The percentage is (probably?) armor penalty, which lowers movement points, stealth, dodge, and evasion all by the total percentage listed. So the penalty of heavy armor is being an iron juggernaut that takes an hour to walk two feet without burning action points instead. Riot Gear might be better at anti-melee now with all the love shield got from expedition

>Leather
Weighs the least and provides reasonable protection against various damage types and can be worn by anyone. Low armor penalty
>Tactical Vest
Provides a high defense bonus against bullet attacks and can be worn by anyone. Armor penalty depends on materials.
>Riot Armor
Requires 5-6 strength to wear. Provides a defense bonus against both melee and bullets (but less than a tactical vest) and can also have a shield that gives you a chance to block. Basically medium armor. Armor penalty depends on materials.
>Metal Armor
Requires 8-9 strength to wear. Big boy heavy armor that provides solid defense against a lot of stuff and is the only armor type with innate energy resistance. High armor penalty.

Huh, I guess because stacked heartbreaker does a fuckload of bio damage?

you can do infused leather which rapes the sh*t out of tactical vests

>recklessness+tabi boots
it hurts
yeah, you need pretty high hacking for two methods.
three total.
sea mines
a plasma turret
bubba nigger naga statue, also requires electronics to fix