Brainlet here, explain the core theme of this game to me

Brainlet here, explain the core theme of this game to me.

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what if robit hooman?

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Its highly rated but, doesn't look fun at all. What gives?

How did this game ever make it to Playstation

Ass and Japanese Existentialism

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Released before all that bullshit
Now too popular to force a patch, and Yoko Taro would probably just tell them to fuck off and make his next game for PC and Switch

That's fine, everyone has their own personal opinions. I loved the combat.

Those are still garbage action games you brainlet. Also
>didn't get gud
LMAO you can't NOT be gud at this game, it basically holds your hand through everything.

>Everything is meaningless
and it's the truth

>Those are still garbage action games you brainlet.
Yeah, his point was that this game is better.

Too much to explain theres no main theme just a lot of philosophical thoughts mashed together.

>LMAO you can't NOT be gud at this game, it basically holds your hand through everything.
t. only played on Easy
Try that on hard or very hard

And that obviously doesn't mean much, trash with a bit of perfume on it is better than trash sure, but it's still pure garbage.

Hard and Very Hard both still give you infinite i-frames on the dodge.

The main theme of the game is "existential nihilism" pretty much explicitly.
I disagree, Automata is a very good and well-crafted game

Ok well im not a virgin who reads 300 year old books like yourself

Aight someone give me this game on Steam so I can play it

How is that holding your hand? You still have to actually dodge attacks, and there's not infinite i-frames
I don't see the point of lying

>Ok well I don't read books
Yeah, obviously

>and there's not infinite i-frames
bullshit, the wind-up and cool-down frames give you i-frames, meaning you can string together dodges (mash) and never take damage except for a few types of projectiles

>Immediately proves there are no infinite i-frames
Like I said, why even lie like that if you're gonna admit you're wrong
>and never take damage except for a few types of projectiles
You die in one hit on very hard, brainlet

>>Immediately proves there are no infinite i-frames
are you retarded? regular dodges have i-frames just in the avoidance frames (like the arc of a flip or roll), I'm pointing out that Automata has i-frames on the wind-up and cool-down frames themselves. While the dodge animation is in cool-down you're still invincible. Do you understand what this means? Every frame in the entire dodge animation gives invincibility, not just the avoidance arc.

>are you retarded? regular dodges have i-frames just in the avoidance frames (like the arc of a flip or roll), I'm pointing out that Automata has i-frames on the wind-up and cool-down frames themselves. While the dodge animation is in cool-down you're still invincible.
Yes and when you're not dodging (hence you saying to spam it) you have no i-frames. Meaning they are, by definition, NOT infinite.
Seriously, why argue a thing that's not true and easily provable by your OWN admission?
Also you completely avoided the fact that you didn't even know about very hard. Did you even PLAY this game? I very much doubt it.

Nier looks amazing and some interesting NPCs but the actual gameplay was frustrating and not satisfying apart from the open world hack and slash stuff and the carnival mission. I put in like 6 hours and just stopped playing the next day.

I am replaying the game right now, and no, it doesn't have i-frames on the wind-up and cool down.
>handholding
Right, because the game teaches you how JC or DJC, how to use the wire effectively, or that other move where time slows down. Did you ever play the game on hard and actually try aiming with your pod, instead of holding down R1 and spamming Square while being locked-on?

>I'm pointing out that Automata has i-frames on the wind-up and cool-down frames themselves
This isn't true at all though

Existentialism and the various schools of thought including those that refused to qualify themselves existentialism but ended up being truer to the concept than the philosophical movement that called itself thus

theres no modern philosophers

Nietzsche's dead God.
"God is dead" is another "The cake is a lie"-tier reference these days with normie faggots not even knowing the original context.
Originally, Nietzsche meant that with the decline of absolute belief in religion (as in: we no longer believe the world to only be 2000 years old) or a predetermined divine fate (born a farmer, stay a farmer forever), we are "doomed to be free". Basically it had a certain comfort and gave you a clear position in society to identify with but suddenly people were responsible for themselves and couldn't just blame God's will on bad things that happened to them or shitty decisions they've made.
In Automata you have humanity's androids fighting alien machines (basically a proxy war). Later, you find out that organic life in the universe is long since extinct and the people you and your enemies are waging war for no longer exist.
They question is, what do you do with freedom if you've never been raised to think for yourself?

Dude, what if, like, *hits bongs* robots had feelings too?

cringe
based

you just described Detroit Become Human too

Agreed. I'd heard good things so I bought it cheap and played through it last week. Neat combat and upgrade mechanics, interesting characters and a plot that required thinking about.

Only downside was how 'anime' it was (I'm typically not a fan of anime and anime-style tropes so the fan-service was more cringe-worthy than entertaining).

Would recommend, I sunk about 50 hours into it.

No, it rejects nihilism explicitly at the end.

Nope, the androids very obviously have emotions from the beginning.

It's still a theme for 99% of the game, user

NieR 1 has a very different message during its 1st playthrough compared to the 2nd one, too.

>play game on normal difficulty
>nothing can kill you,everything dies in a couple of hits
>play game on hard mode
>everything one hit kills you,you're forced to fill your chip loadout with HP Ups,and you have to either run away and cheese enemies at range or use the boring shield pod programs
w-what the FUCK,bros?! I just wanna play the robot booby game and do cool combos,why do I have to deal with all this shit!????

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Yes but you just said that it rejects nihilism at the end. That is, at the very end of route E. And you knew that, so this seems like you're completely changing the argument

The first playthrough of Nier isn't 99% of the game, user. That's some bullshit.

Where did I state that? I meant to point out that a radical shift isn't anything new for the franchise.

It's basic bitch existentialism. I don't know why people act like it's trying to be "2deep4u", shit's pretty fucking straight forward.

>I meant to point out that a radical shift isn't anything new for the franchise.
Ok? But we were discussing what the theme of the game was. Them giving hope at the end of route E doesn't mean that the theme of the game suddenly isn't existential nihilism. That's the motivation for both sides of the war, the entire reason that the plot happening. IT's what every philosophical question posed by the game ponders.

>tfw bought nu-male's sky instead of this
Goddamnit

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Stop being poor,retard. You can get Nier for under $30 right now.

Deep, yet quite simply really.

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just dodge lmao
you don't even have to time it right

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HOW DO YOU DODGE 3 MELEE ATTACKS COMING FROM 3 DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS WHILE THERE'S NONSTOP WAVES OF BULLETS BEING THROWN AT YOU
FUCK

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press dodge twice

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That's the plot, not the theme.

I think it's true. It's not as deep a combat system as Bayonetta or DMC but it's not bad to the point where you'd want to actively avoid combat, like in the elder scrolls for example

the theme of the game is existential nihilism

but the message of the game is rejecting it

>the theme of the game is existential nihilism
Um, yeah that's what I just said

i was agreeing with you dumbie

>Can't even spell dummy right
Pottery

Gonna give you a quick rundown.
Plot's about a robot with big ass and tits who has a gothic style outfit killing robots for humanity while humanity is fucked.
Game has no real theme or message behind it, it's just brainless fun, going around killing things in a very easy fashion due to no real difficulty option. It has no real story so you don't need to focus on that.

>Game has no real theme or message behind it
Wow it's amazing, seeing someone brag about not understanding a game

>can't even spell "poetry" right

sausuga

>Bragging about being a newfag

Always backup your data

I think the theme was that life/love is something more complex than humans are capable of representing or defining, that we don't have any kind of claim to the idea of life. The first act is a generic love story that plays out as a flawed, nonsensical cliche (parodying IRL human's attempt at portraying life). As the story progresses it develops the relationships between the characters without ever elaborating on how or why they've gained life, but rather just showing them exhibiting some shared traits with humans (such as grief). You learn that humans failed at life, and that machines succeeded their mantle of sentient life on the planet. Afterwards YorHa is emulating humanity to preserve life which eventually leads to their demise, with YorHa's rogue actors not sharing the same fate.

tl;dr: life finds a way and humans are fucked

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Just because you don't have to do cool combos to win doesn't mean you can't.

>everyone talking about how easy combat is
>can barely get past the tank in rank S normal arena, and that's after changing the difficulty to easy
How do you do it Yea Forumsros?

Not really. You're playing the game as a human and in the end humans are basically absolutely fucking toast. Our robot friends might live on but without almost everything they were living for.

The core theme of Nier: Automata is "how do I find meaning in a meaningless world" and it addresses the approaches of several philosophers, while at the end offering Yoko Taro's own, distinct view on the matter.

>taking the bait

what a retard. Guess who just outed themselves as the newfag, newfag.

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>I was being retarded on purpose
No, you're just retarded
And you misspelled dummy unironically

calling people out on using "pottery" instead of "poetry" is too meta-ironic for me

>meta-ironic
It's just normal ironic, user

i never made a post with "dummy" in it. That wasn't me. This was the first post I made. I think you're so unironically seething you didn't even stop to think if that was a possibility. I understand now, no wonder you replied to that, you're actually butt mad over there lol

Literally the only time hard has the potential to be difficult is the opening, and that's largely because dying means you have to start the whole thing from the top because there's no checkpoints.
After that difficulty is nonexistent.

No, there's several layers of irony to it that exist in flux, similar to how in quantum mechanics you cannot nail down the position and momentum of leptons at the same time.

That's what meta-irony is.

>God is dead, God remains dead, and we have killed him

>What do?

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You know this place has gone to shit when full of newfags who can't appreciate meta-irony.

Put your head between your legs, hit the lawyer, delete the gym, and facebook up. What else can you do.

while I do appreciate meta-irony, it is often a bit dizzying. I prefer the less absurd post-irony.

Then you jumped into the middle of an argument and got upset for someone else. Which is likely bullshit anyhow.
>I think you're so unironically seething
This is just funny to read. And you're not upset at all, hmm? =)

Yes but that post was just normal irony.
Are you just saying things to seem smart? It isn't working.

I am saying things to seem like I am trying to seem smart and clearly it is working.

Purpose, Individuality, Humanity.

It's the struggle to find your own meaning in life.

>clearly it is working.
But you were wrong, so no it wasn't working

but you called me out on trying to seem smart, when I was trying to seem like I was trying to seem smart

Whatever you say, xXGodgamer420Xx. Not everyone has the reflexes and dexterity avoid every single attack.

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>but you called me out on trying to seem smart
No I called you out on using a word incorrectly
Now you seem even dumber though

Book of the New Sun is a great series, but so is Nier/Drakengard. You have to lower your expectations a bit for vidya. A work of literature like that wouldn't adapt well to video game mechanics, but they're both great in their own regards.

Androids have emotions because they are per definition made in the image of humans.
If the same can be said for robots (machines) is a major theme in the game.

Ass>Boobs

post-flesh life trying to deal with horniness when biological reproduction no longer occurs + Buddhist concepts of reincarnation

I win, got it.

>He's THIS upset
Sorry I proved you wrong?

>I'm upset
user, I'm playing you like a damn fiddle and you don't even realize it

You seem extremely upset right now though

user, you seem to be projecting right now
I am quite calm, but I can see that you are quite angry.
That's okay, not everyone can deal with being proven wrong by a superior intellect

>user, you seem to be projecting right now
This is especially funny when followed by
>I am quite calm, but I can see that you are quite angry.
You sure YOU'RE not projecting?
>not everyone can deal with being proven wrong
Considering how upset you are after I called you out, I agree

user, you are projecting your own act of projection at me
look at yourself trying to pick apart my post line by line, you're EXTREMELY upset
but not everyone can be as smart as me, you know?

>user, you are projecting your own act of projection at me
lol
>look at yourself trying to pick apart my post line by line, you're EXTREMELY upset
And this isn't projection.
>but not everyone can be as smart as me, you know?
You didn't even use meta-irony correctly

I was using it semi-pseudo-ironically
I understand that that's a bit too complex for you and that's okay.
You can't exactly explain meta-irony in proper sincere language, the very nature of meta-irony prohibits it

Why are you still arguing, don't you have a projector to manage, user?

Softcore robot porn

I don't think Taro is a conventional theme writer. Themes are kindof contrived; writers/cinematographers/painters/etc include arbitrary details to build up a theme which is commonly only loosely related to the subject of the piece, if at all (ex: Le we see someone holding a pencil in the majority of the scenes, representing the oppression of the uneducated). Taro kindof has a few ideas he wants to portray and just shits them onto the page and builds a coherent story out of them. There were many themes the game illustrated, but not one overarching one, and they were all relatively obvious.

wrong it's about ass

>I was using it semi-pseudo-ironically
So you were using it incorrectly. Also that isn't a real term.
>I understand that that's a bit too complex for you
No it isn't, I called out that you used it incorrectly straight away
>You can't exactly explain meta-irony in proper sincere language
There are papers and essays on it, so yes you can. Plus you admit you used it incorrectly.
>Why are you still arguing, don't you have a projector to manage, user?
Not as much as you do, thanks for admitting I was correct all along

>semi-quasi-ironically
fixed

>haha there's paper and essays just believe me
you seem pretty mad

no, it's not semi-quasi, that's something else.
It's semi-pseudo.

>I was using it semi-pseudo-ironically
Ok

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>you seem pretty mad
Now THIS is projection. Denying there's papers and essays on meta-irony? I guess you just gave up, huh.

yes it is.

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>I guess you just gave up, huh.
Considering how short that last response of his was, yeah it seems that way

how am I denying their existence?
All I am saying is that you cannot guarantee the sincerity of the authors when discussing a subject that applies insincerity to itself.

you made some pretty short responses yourself, if post length is an indication, then you have given up a long time ago. switching to the line-by-line format is a clear attempt at increasing the volume of your post, rather than the content thereof
you already surrendered

semi-quasi would refer to something that is in part similar to the thing you apply it to as a modifier, semi-pseudo implies an intent to, in part appear like the thing.

>how am I denying their existence?
>haha there's paper and essays just believe me
That's directly what you were saying.
>All I am saying is that you cannot guarantee the sincerity of the authors when discussing a subject that applies insincerity to itself.
No, that wasn't what you were saying.

It was a different time.

it was clearly implied, read between the lines
I guess a discourse so deeply based on insincerity isn't suitable for someone like you.

>you made some pretty short responses yourself
I've never even responded to you directly before this, user. Sorry multiple people are calling you out for being wrong I guess, but these posts are really pathetic

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what's pathetic is pretending to be two different people
clear sign that you are EXTREMELY mad right now

>it was clearly implied
No it wasn't, there was no implication at all. You were just called out and adjusted your argument
>I guess a discourse so deeply based on insincerity isn't suitable for someone like you.
Oh, I certainly think you're being insincere. You have been this whole time.

user, what's extremely pathetic is admitting you were wrong but not trying at any level to back down.
Now like I said, sorry multiple people are calling you out for being dumb, but this is really pathetic.

I am not the only one being dishonest towards themselves or others here.

Orange man bad

post-modernism / nihilism from a somewhat sophomoric outlook
actually reminded me a bit of Evangelion when it came down to some of the social themes
6/10 game but the ideas were breddy gud

>I am not the only one being dishonest
So you openly admit you're being dishonest here. Wow. Pathetic.
By the way, I've been truthful this whole time.

purpose

Those are some very suspicious post timings, all of them not quite a minute apart, almost like you're trying to not be too obvious about it.
I don't think you're telling the truth when you're pretending to be two different people.
.
You've been utilizing dishonesty as a tool yourself all along, and yet you call others out on doing so. That's some splendid hypocrisy (or is that quasi-pseudo-irony?) on display.
I am proud of your progress, my apprentice.

In lieu of divine purpose, rational beings find the greatest and highest meaning in their relationships with each other.

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intentionally inflammatory style aside, this is pretty much correct
i really wish jap games would evolve past pomo shit it gets really tedious

Sorry multiple people are cling you out, user. It seems like you're a bit upset because you were tricked into admitting you're a liar. I'd recommend taking some time to yourself to reflect on your life

>You've been utilizing dishonesty as a tool yourself all along, and yet you call others out on doing so.
Gee it's almost like this is exactly what you're doing, user.
>That's some splendid hypocrisy on display.
Haha, "it's only hypocrisy if other people do it", right?

again, about a minute apart, like clockwork

Once again, sorry multiple people are calling you out you admitted liar.

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reminder if you can't play at this level you didn't actually beat nier automata

this isn't interesting to read, it isn't about the game, and you're defending your honor on an anonymous image board
would you guys either fuck off or talk about the game?

>He thinks THIS is interesting
Fuck off, fag

desu the combat in NA isn't deep or involved enough to make these kinds of posts
counter fishing over and over isn't particularly impressive

the matrix but with fewer brown people and more amusement parks

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critique of religion using existentialist philosophy.
>Man creates Android in his own image and gives Android purpose in serving to glorify himself
>Mankind goes extinct nobody has seen one in thousands of years
>Androids invent story that mankind still survives on the moon and that Androids must continue fighting to secure Earth as man's homeworld to continue to give Androids purpose for their existence.
>Androids are fighting machines that were NOT created in the likeness of their creators
>Machines disconnect from their networked intelligence and develop true sentience
>Learn more about Mankind as the true "Gods" of this world they are on, and they are absent so there is mystery to them
>Their own creators are found to be imperfect and lacking, so they kill all of them
>Convert to Android's "religion" of worshipping humans and trying to emulate them.
>Androids learn the truth that mankind is extinct and they have no real purpose
>Why go on living? What is the meaning to their existence?

that's it in a nutshell. What would you live for if you knew for fact that there was no God and no higher purpose for your existence?

Finding purpose in a world where all the existential mysteries are solved (I know I'm a robot built to fight aliens) but is still full of uncertainty and mystery.

And ass.