Do people really care about Zelda's timeline?

From OOT onward there's a fairly definite and deliberate timeline, for most of the games (the 3D games and the DS games).
And then there's also games that have direct sequels Link's Awakening and link to the past and oracle and everything.

The trouble comes when you try to fit games that obviously don't fit together or have any relation to each other. Both positions of
>every game is connected
and
>every game is completely self contained
are equally stupid as fuck. Though I'd say the latter is more so stupid, because at least the former I think most people would agree is just for fun speculation and headcanon. Or at least it was. While the latter position is just dumb because it actually tries to ignore that mm literally takes place directly after OOT or PH takes place directly after wind waker.

What I want to know is if Linkle will show up in BotW2...

NIN 10 DOH

>Zelda 1 (The Hyrule Fantasy)
>it's the first

>Zelda 2 (The Adventure of Link)
>direct sequel of Zelda 1 with the same protagonist

>Zelda 3 (A Link to the Past)
>distant prequel of Zelda 1/2

>Zelda 4 (Link's Awakening)
>direct sequel of Zelda 3 with the same protagonist

>Zelda 5 (Ocarina of Time)
>distant prequel of every game so far

>Zelda 6 (Majora's Mask)
>direct sequel of Zelda 5 with the same protagonist

>Zelda 7 (Oracle of Seasons - Oracle of Ages)
>direct sequel of Zelda 3/4 with the same protagonist

>Zelda 8 (Four Swords)
>actually seems unconnected to other (specific) games

>Zelda 9 (The Wind Waker)
>direct sequel of Zelda 5

>Zelda 10 (Four Swords Adventures)
>distant sequel of Zelda 8

>Zelda 11 (The Minish Cap)
>direct prequel of Zelda 8/10

>Zelda 12 (Twilight Princess)
>direct sequel of Zelda 5

>Zelda 13 (Phantom Hourglass)
>direct sequel of Zelda 9

>Zelda 14 (Spirit Tracks)
>distant sequel of Zelda 9/13

>Zelda 15 (Skyward Sword)
>distant prequel of every single game

>Zelda 16 (A Link between Worlds)
>distant sequel of Zelda 3/4/7

>Zelda 17 (Triforce Heroes)
>direct sequel of Zelda 16

>Zelda 18 (Breath of the Wild)
>actually seems unconnected to other (specific) games... until now

>Zelda 19 (Death of the Wild?)
>direct sequel of Zelda 18

>"It's pretty obvious each game is self contained"

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If you can pick a random Zelda game and not miss anything important for not having played the rest, then yes, they're self contained.

It's like trying to force Barney the Dinosaur timelines.

>mergefags
No

youtube thumbnails are a good way to make me angry

>That time he lied about how effected he was by the california fires because of where he lives
>His city didn't even have evacuation calls

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>Because he's a borderline unironic psychopath
Explain

>b-but what if I like to... you know, just ignore the actual story?
Every single videogame ever can be self-contained, then

>merge bad

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I like the concept of the timeline, what I don't like is Nintendo lifting a fan theory, changing it slightly to try and disguise that fact whilst also completely misunderstanding the fundamental logic of the theory, and using it to try and sell a game and a book, and then in the next game saying "uh yeah, it's in all timelines", further proving that it was just a marketing scheme for that one game.
I still subscribe to it but take the hero fails timeline to be one where you went back in time before killing Ganon e.g to get the silver gauntlets, go to the bottom of the well, and putting BotW in the adult timeline

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WHAT story? Zelda story is as barebones as it gets.

Lorefags are the only ones linking all these games.

hes making a joke
mat calls mario a psychopath

correct, and so can every single anime, "non-canon" fillers do not exist, they all fit into the selfcontained anime, taking the manga into account is the work of autists

Why won't this stupid fucking brainless faggot get out of my recommendations no matter what I do? It feels like I unsubbed and stop watching a thousand years ago and i'm still plagued by these videos every week or so.

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>NO NO NO THERE'S NO STORY YOU JUST PLAY IT AND NOTHING HAPPENS
I hope you leave the drugs someday user

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whats the story then buddy

>using the "it's just pixels so it doesn't matter" argument
only retards do this shit

>Ocarina of time
Link saves Hyrule by banishing Ganon
>Wind Waker
Link saves the Great Sea by turning Ganon to stone
>Twilight Princess
Link saves Hyrule by killing Ganon

The little filler plots in the middle are unimportant to the truly important events. It's the same shit every game, there is no overarching plot other than Link and Ganon reincarnating forever. You fucking autist.

Zelda having a unified timeline is fucking stupid.
Having things vaguely connected and like an actual legend was better, especially for the games that were actually directly connected. It made the ones that weren't even more legendary.

>legendary

You mean legen-wait for it-dary. What uuuuup?

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IS THAT SANS UNDERTALE IN THE THUMBNAI;?

The modern nugamer just wants to scream about politics and artifical fun in their games.

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>It's pretty obvious each game is self contained
Someone has never played AOL, MM, TP, WW, PH, ST...

why do people post images of people posting an image on twitter and not just the image

Are we actually in the timeline where preteens think Zelda is unrionically DEEP?

>long time ago the demons rose up from the bowels of earth seeking world domination
>threatened by the demon king Demise, a race of humans devoted to the goddess Hylia was at the brink of destruction, when the goddess saved them by lifting the ground into the sky
>the race now know as the hylians finally found peace in the sky while the goddess keept the demon king in check
>the last chance they had to end the war was the golden power the 3 greatest goddesses left there, know as the Triforce, that only non-gods can use. Knowing this, Hylia sealed the demon king and reincarnated herself into a hylian in order to search for a champion to help her and obtain the Triforce to finally destroy the demon king for good
>Hylia, unaware of her true nature, is now a young girl called Zelda, and her childhood friend and future hero is a knight in training called Link, they live in the sky and just like everyone else, ignore the existance of the surface, the demon king and destiny they will face
>the gears of destiny finally move when, while the sacred sword ancient sages forged for the goddess still rests in a temple in the sky, the dark sword's spirit (servant of the demon king) kidnapps Zelda
And that's only the backstory of the very first game of the franchise

>inb4 W-WELL I THINK THE STORY SUCKS AND..!
Nobody cares.

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the same reason Yea Forums watches pewdiepie react to month old memes, friend simulator.

Zelda timeline is pure autism, it's the most contrived and worthless aspect of the series.

Ganon isn't even the enemy in several games but thanks for proving you have no clue what you are talking about

Also
>random game #2561584
>MC wins by beating bad guy
>the little filler plots in the middle are unimportant to the truly important events, it's the same shit every game!
You realize how retarded you sound, huh? You can do that with almost every game

Why is always some retard with "dear company, I FIXED shit"

Nah we are in the timeline where retards like you think if a game's story isn't deep there's no story whatsoever

You're crying over the fucking story in ZELDA. Of all the hills to choose to die on, you picked this one. Get a grip.

nah i just like reading this kind of stuff
thanks

Majora's Mask's connection to Ocarina of Time is "Navi ran off and Link chased her". That's it, that's all that connects them.

>literally can't even come up with a counter argument after being proven wrong

And? That's not 'a reference.' Those are straight out two fucking characters from the previous game, the protagonist and his sidekick.

>And? That's not 'a reference.'
Yes it is.

Entirely new world, new characters, new villain, new gods, new land, no reference to the previous game or any of its characters, gods, lands or stories.

all the character models are the same

navi doesn't even appear in the game, only link, and knowing that has no relevance to the events that take place in the game

Zelda has as much story importance as Mario's timeline. It's completely throwaway.

>all the character models are the same
Because they were saving money.

No, it's not. Do you have any idea what words mean? A prior character going on a new adventure isn't a fucking reference, especially when his motivation is the previous game.
See above, you are delusional in trying to force this headcanon of yours.

No, it's not.
Yes it is.
>A prior character going on a new adventure isn't a fucking reference
It might as well be a new Link for all intents and purposes
>especially when his motivation is the previous game.
His motivation is stopping skullkid from destroying the town

He saw smoke in the sky, so he probably thought he die of smoke inhalation from it.

Nintendo attracts autists

>Yes it is.
What a compelling argument
>It might as well
But it's not.
>His motivation
Was to find Navi. Don't forget that part, he only came to Termina because he got mugged. Seriously, you don't have any idea what words mean. Present your apparently personal, unique definition of 'a reference.'

It wasn't planned, but they kept making games that were sequels/prequels to prior games up until BOTW so it was like an organic buildup.

>From OOT onward there's a fairly definite and deliberate timeline
You mention Link's Awakening, but it was there from the start even. AOL was billed as the sequel to LOZ, and its whole plot is set up like that. And while LTTP was more tenuous, Nintendo designed and advertised it as being the prequel to LOZ.

>What a compelling argument
It's all you need.
>But it's not.
And what proof is there besides the navi reference?
>Was to find Navi
Which is relevant for 5 minutes then he forgets that and decides to save Termina instead.

>You're crying!
Is there an easier way to tell someone is getting pissy about being out-argued?

>out-argued
>Over the story in Zelda
lol

>Everyone knows the timelime wasn't planned.

>"Q: Where does The Wind Walker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?
>Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.
>Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?
>Aonuma: From the end.
>Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a...
>Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.
zeldalegends.net/index.php?n=interviews&id=2002-12-06-gamepro-miya-aonu-twwsummit&m=html

>"SP: How does the Zelda games get together? Is there any connection between the different games or do you take tell us a new Zelda story each time?
>SM: For every new Zelda game we tell a new story but we actually have an enormous document that explains how the game relate to eachother and bind them together.
zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Interview:SuperPlay_April_23rd_2003

>"BB: That's something that, you (Bill Trinen – Localization Team) and I have talked about with the release of the Zelda compilation disc, cleaning up some of the spellings like Ganon, and making sure everything is cohesive. Maybe that's an American thing – us wanting to know how it all works together. I guess that leads me to my next questions. How do the Links in The Four Swords Adventure relate to the overall story line? Or is it just a subchapter or something like that?"
>"EA: The GBA Four Swords Zelda is what we're thinking as the oldest tale in the Zelda timeline. With this one on the GameCube being a sequel to that, and taking place sometime after that."
zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Interview:Game_Informer_May_17th_2004

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Failure Timeline could be shoved into the Child Timeline with almost no extra complexity, and the Adult/Child thing was a Nintendo original after they made TP.

I think you can completely block a channel.

More like the premise that the games have no connection, bruv. You're trying so hard to move these goalposts into a whine about story complexity.

>Having things vaguely connected and like an actual legend was better
But it never was that way, from the second damn game they were making direct sequels.

I said they referenced each other and were generally self contained. Which they are.

You're just a lore-nigger trying to Dark Souls the games into one big tapestry.

Answer the question user, you deliberately refusing to present your criteria makes you look like you're arguing dishonestly.

Yes and?

The actual games say otherwise.

>Referenced
You still don't know what this means.
>One big tapestry
Not hard when Nintendo kept making games as sequels to one another.

>Game Theory

One of the biggest cancers in the gaming community.
Full of pseudo science and literal bullshit theories.

Literally the only game that doesn't adhere to the timeline is BotW.

>The actual games say otherwise.
Where?

What question?

>Guy makes a shitpost thread hoping to have a shitstorm over some dumb e-celeb
>People completely ignore it and get annoyed at some dumb opinion OP had
>He takes advantage of this to shitpost about that instead
Calling it.

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>Present your apparently personal, unique definition of 'a reference.'

>literally lying on the internet
I'm so sorry user, I'm so fucking sorry

If you don't know what a reference is then it explains why you're defending the nonexistent Zelda timeline to the death

Yeah because Link didn't use an ocarina and a time song a princess teached him in that game right? What's that ocarina? What's the deal with the songs? And the princess? What the fuck was of Link's life before this mess? You will never know without Ocarina of Time

Wind Waker and Twilight Princess are definitely not self-contained, their whole plots revolve around events that only make sense if you've played Ocarina of Time.

Your refusal to answer the question confirms you're arguing in bad faith for the sake of bait.

Do you even understand why the "Hero is Defeated" timeline even exists? It's because it's impossible to fit ALTTP and the games that follow ALTTP in the timeline without it. In the intro to ALTTP, there is an event called the "Imprisoning War" that describes how Ganondorf obtained the completed Triforce and became Ganon, and the ensuing war that trapped him in the Sacred Realm. Ocarina of Time was originally supposed to be about the Imprisoning War, but it took on an identity of its own during development. At the end of the game, Ganondorf is prevented from obtaining the completed Triforce, and sealed in the Sacred Realm without it, meaning he never gains the power that lead to ALTTP. In the Child timeline, Link goes back in time and Ganondorf is stopped in that timeline as well. Now, any chance of still fitting ALTTP into either of these two timelines was further nailed shut when Wind Waker was released as the direct sequel in the Adult timeline, where Ganondorf is defeated again and subsequently killed forever, and Twilight Princess was released as the direct sequel to the Child Timeline where he was also killed. Nintendo wrote themselves into a corner because now the events of ALTTP can't ever happen. The only way to have it happen was to create another timeline where he obtained the completed Triforce, and Link has to die for that to happen.

You can't fit it into the Child Timeline unless you do the same "Link fails" explanation which wouldn't make much difference.

Based coolbugbro BTFOing denialfags
First they make the game, then they think how to put it in the timeline and then they respect this and start over again, that's how it has been since the beginning

>bad faith argument!
Stop going on wikipedia and being a pedantic woman, use your balls and talk like a man.

I stopped caring about the timeline ever since nintendo unveiled their retarded canon one

The hero fails/succeeds split only exists because nintendo wanted a surefire way of making sure no one had the "right" timeline and they didn't care how stupid the timeline became to accomplish that.

see

>I had a retarded fan timeline and then Nintendo released the real one and it was different so I hate the timeline know and I think they made a different one on purpose just to annoy me
Jesus you are a literal crybaby

When will Mattpatt finally give up? Apparently he's super popular, but everybody I've ever talked to either doesn't care about him or despises his terrible, rushed, stolen theories.

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You can tell how dumb Nintendo's fanbase is because they actually believe in the timeline Nintendo pulled out of their ass.

Are we really supposed to buy that the same series of events (Ganon is evil and wants to rule the world typically by controlling the Triforce, Link has to become a mighty swordmaster and stop him, Zelda is a damsel in distress, etc.) happens on at least a dozen different occasions? Yes, many legends and myths have cyclical patterns, but they don't involve literally the same characters and the same events happening over and over again over the course of thousands of years. Look at the Lord of the Rings for example: Aragorn is the heir to Isildur who originally defeated Sauron, but while there is the cyclical element of Aragorn restoring the line of Isildur, it's not him but Frodo/Sam/Gollum who ultimately cause Sauron's downfall.

It's quite obvious that Nintendo never envisioned the Legend of Zelda franchise as a continuous series and just used the same characters and plot elements because they were iconic and recognizable. They only later came up with a timeline to capitalize on the fact that 'lore' had become a mainstream phenomena and 'deep lore' was a way to hook fans of games/books/movies/TV-shows and create lots of interest around your series.

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I mean that's kinda true but nintendo did put one together and it all is confirmed that it is a timeline in BotW but they're so far apart in time that they may as well be their own thing each time. There's more time without Link and Zelda and Ganon than there is with them. It's just those are the parts people remember and tell. It's never the same Link or Zelda. Ganon is arguably the same incarnation of Demise complete with all his memories. The other two are just a new guy and girl with the same names and roles.

see

But DUDE. Don't you care about the possibility that
>throws a dart
Captain Olimar is
>throws a dart
dead and actually
>throws a dart
SANS FROM UNDERTALE!?

See and go back to 2006

It's just 12 year olds that like to be smartasses to their friends by using his theories about what character is dead or secretly evil

It's also across like 10,000+ years so I'd assume that this could happen a few dozen times in there. You could equate them to large wars and that makes it even more possible. Considering humans irl have had far more wars in that time.

So the timeline was planned...and somehow it still doesn't make a lick of sense?

That's even worse.

What point were you trying to make, exactly?

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It makes sense if you're not a fucking brainlet.
Half of the games are direct sequels.

Remember when he gave the pope a piece of paper containing a steam key for Undertale even though the pope doesnt have a computer because its a symbolic gesture showing how video games can be tools of peace?

>It's also across like 10,000+ years so I'd assume that this could happen a few dozen times in there.
Name one work of fiction where the exact same events involving the same characters repeat themselves 10+ times over the course of history.

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yea to a retard ig

They made SS to address brainlets like you. It's cyclical because two of the characters involved are reincarnators and the third is basically damned into always filling his role because he's the incarnation of/controlled by Demise's unbreakable curse. Not that cyclical time isn't a popular concept in eastern philosophy/religion anyway.

I dont see how you are so baffled by this. Demise's evil keeps resurrecting because its so evil and the triforce/goddesses keep selecting a pair of people to wield the triforce and oppose that evil. Its not like it happens just randomly.

Daily reminder that MatPat's antics and narcissistic behavior have earned him a thread on the infamous KiwiFarms! He's a scummy plagiarist who shouldn't be taken seriously!

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You forget how Zelda is the continuous reincarnation of Hylia and Link the first hero that stood up to Demise the goddess had the hots for?

>"I'm too stupid to understand ZELDA's story"
That's gonna be a yikes

>taking KiwiFarms seriously
I don't know which of the two is a bigger joke

It doesn't matter if others do it. It happens in Zelda. I also don't think you realize just how long 10,000 years is. Stretching a few appearances of those three along 10,000 years is believable. Especially when a few of them don't technically have Ganon in them doing anything. Like Zelda 2, Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask.

>kiwifarms
yikes
bet you go on lolcow too you bipolar whore

>Zelda 1 & Zelda 2 are connected
>LttP, ALBW, TFH, and I guess Link's Awakening are connected
>OoT and MM are connected
>WW makes slight reference to OoT, but is otherwise more connected to the DS games
>FS, FSA, and Minish Cap are connected
Beyond these, there's no other connection between the games, and the official timeline has always been retarded. Subtle references and common elements due to lore doesn't mean the games all need to be in a unified timeline.

The joke being called out by the other joke.

Ganondorf is also canonically dead with the Master Sword lodged in his skull after Wind Waker, which is why Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks have unique villains

>They made SS to address brainlets like you. It's cyclical because two of the characters involved are reincarnators and the third is basically damned into always filling his role because he's the incarnation of/controlled by Demise's unbreakable curse.
How does that even make sense? Reincarnation has never meant 'magically compelled or mind-controlled to enact the exact same thing over and over again'. Never, not in any religion or work of fiction.

That being said, thanks for proving my point. Nintendo clearly agreed with me that the same series of events involving the same characters repeating over and over again is utterly implausible. Though the 'solution' they came up with to address that is incredibly stupid.

I don't even understand why we're having this discussion. Who the fuck cares about writing in a Zelda game?

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BotW links to all of them, because all the items exist and mention things happening in the past.

>BotW links to all of them, because all the items exist and mention things happening in the past.

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dunno, why are you? just leave the thread. its not hard.

Demise works on a more instinctual level than Hylia or the Hero. The desire to destroy everything and subjugate what isn't destroyed yet is what Demise is after.

TP iss connected to OOT and Nintendo outright confirmed the Hero's Shade is OOT Link in Hyrule Historia
>inb4 he whines about something Nintendo stated because he doesn't like it

>Never, not in any religion or work of fiction.
Except it clear does in Zelda it seems.
>I don't even understand why we're having this discussion.
Because you popped in, said dumb bullshit about not understanding the lore of a kid's game, then stuck around complaining when people tried to explain it all to you. You had the choice to leave or never post at all.

>WW makes slight reference to OoT
A statue of the Hero of Time and the entire INTRO and first half of the plot being looking for the Hero of Time is a "slight reference??"

>Beyond these, there's no other connection between the games
You forgot Twilight Princess which literally shows you Ganondorf's execution from OoT you fucking tard.
LTTP also OPENS with a story about Ganondorf turning into Ganon.

>Reincarnation has never meant blah blah enact the same thing
No, the idea that events will repeat for reincarnations is common in Eastern spiritualism, especially in Japan.

Not to mention it has areas and places from past games, it even has Koroks. There's a reason people have linked the hand in BotW to the twili because it has similar patterning to the glowy bits of the twili. That I don't know about cause it hasn't happened yet.

>Nintendo wrote a book 25 year later explaining how it's all connected so that means it's true!

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I meant BotW 2

eat a dick

Believe what you want if the creators say it's connected it's connected, it's called "canon", that doesn't mean they were initially meant to be, but they are.

>Reincarnation has never meant 'magically compelled or mind-controlled to enact the exact same thing over and over again'.
It pretty much does in this case. Demise was pissed he lost and basically cursed Link and Zelda to an eternity of salty runbacks.

>eat a dick
Salty, isn't it nap time for you?

>Believe what you want if the creators say it's connected it's connected
Not if the games that came out before their silly book contradict them

So what you're saying is that Zelda has a unique story that had never happened in a single work if fiction ever?
Wow, I've got to give the writers since credit for that!

Miyamoto and Aonuma could sell you guys bridges.

More like
>Nintendo wrote and advertised AOL as a sequel, ALTTP as a prequel, LA a sequel to the prequel, OOT a prequel to the prequel, MM a sequel to the prequel's prequel, let Capcom write OOA/OOS as a sequel to the prequel's sequel, WW as an alternate to the prequel's prequel's sequel, and then wrote PH as a sequel to the prequel's prequel's alternate sequel, and then ST as a sequel to the prequel's prequel's alternate sequel's sequel, then wrote TP as a sequel to the prequel's prequel's original sequel, then made SS as a prequel to the prequel's prequel, then wrote ALBTW as a sequel to the prequel's sequel's sequel's sequel...
Do you get the idea yet? They connected every new game to a previous game at the time of release, and this created the chain that became the timeline.

Word of creator trumps what came before. That's called retconning.

>No, the idea that events will repeat for reincarnations is common in Eastern spiritualism, especially in Japan.

The whole idea behind reincarnation in buddhism, hinduism, etc. is ESCAPING the cycle of rebirth and ascending to a higher plane, you retard.

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>posts something flagrantly wrong and disprovable by reading the fucking thread
>is blown the fuck out by being linked to said post
>has no argument
If you're just here to shitpost then go to

thats okay user, i share your opinion. I also think its cool that they somehow managed to make a timeline at all, despite some inconsistencies.

>Word of creator trumps what came before
Nope.

Prequels aren't canon. NuStar Wars isn't canon.

Has this changed from his last time line video that made no sense?

No it's not, the entire idea behind ENLIGHTENMENT is to escape reincarnation, the Wheel of Samsara, to escape the cycle of suffering. Reincarnation being a fucking infinitely repeating hell is the point. Hindu-Buddhist concepts have even the entire UNIVERSE being in a cycle of reincarnation and infinite repetition you surface-level faggot.

When the creator themselves say it directly, yes it does. I'm fine with it essentially being like Final Fantasy with similarities with no interconnectivity to the stories, but they are connected. Whether people like it or not. You can believe they aren't but the retconned canon is that they are.

>So you see, The Legend of Zelda was about seizing back that idea of the blonde haired, blue eyed savior and his blond haired, blue eyed wife beating back the dark skinned sand nigger and making europe for the europeans again
>*laughs*

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>No it's not, the entire idea behind ENLIGHTENMENT is to escape reincarnation, the Wheel of Samsara, to escape the cycle of suffering. Reincarnation being a fucking infinitely repeating hell is the point. Hindu-Buddhist concepts have even the entire UNIVERSE being in a cycle of reincarnation and infinite repetition you surface-level faggot.
So how does that translate to 'magically coerced to do the same things over over again'? The entire point of reincarnation is that have free will and can do things differently.

I dislike the idea that it's a physical/magical merge and prefer the idea that it's just the arbitrarily distant future in every timeline, no matter what things will eventually reach that point.

Not him but that's not what happens in Zelda, demise essentially curse Zelda and Link to reincarnate along with him to repeat the same battle across eternity, so maybe one day he'll win. So what you said connects it even better.

The point of reincarnation is that you can only escape through enlightenment. Do you see Ganondorf reaching for enlightenment, user? He's the impetus behind Zelda/Link being forced back into adventures time and again. Without him Link would be a train conductor, a rancher, a little orphan living in the woods, you get the idea and Zelda would just be a regular old princess who never has to use her goddess powers like its implied several women in the line have been.

You're wrong.

Keep crying, there is no timeline, the games are self contained

So what is your point? You really think 'Link and Zelda are cursed to forever reincarnate along with Ganondorf' is an interesting exploration of reincarnation and one that enriches the Zelda universe? It's just a lazy contrivance that adds nothing to the Zelda universe. Neither does the timeline.

>word of creator doesn't count
>but mine does

Lol fuck off with that backwards logic. I don't care what publishers say, but the author's word is king. If you don't like it, stick with your head canon. But that's all it is.

I don't care if you think it's interesting or not. It is what it is, the only point if bringing up the wider concept behind it is because of your disbelief at the facts.

>nintentoddlers think their games have any more story beyond link kill dune coon and save princess
The whole point of the Zelda series is for every game to be its own adventure. There's only really a few games with that could be treated as direct continuations like OOT to MM or WW to PH to ST or LA to Oracles. Stop overanalyzing it, you autists. Nintendo only really cares about how each story fits into its own game.

I don't care about most of the Zelda games. I don't care about some bullshit made up chronology, when the whole Zelda and Link thing is just a branding icon to tie a bunch of vaguely similar games together into a series. Zelda games are completely different in terms of gameplay and design. Making a chronology of a bunch of random games is like trying to make a chronology of The Famous Five.

It's not just a fan belief that's the entire fucking point of this thread. Nintendo has said they are connected. It does not matter who believes what when the creators say that. You can have whatever headcanon you want, but what they have written down and what they've said is the actual way it's supposed to be.

Really silly of Nintendo to make AOL a sequel then, huh?

Do you even know how canon works, retard?

The Roman Catholic Church says Hell isn't real, even though the bible says it is.

Fuck off.

Jesus fucking Christ will you read the fucking thread before posting ffs

Do you, retard?

If they let Hideo Kojima write the next Zelda game and he retconned Link into being a clone of Solid Snake, would that be canon?

>each game is its own adventure so every other thing that happened before doesn't count!
>not all sequels are prequels are direct so these doesn't count either!
Kek

Yes?

The Pope isn't the 'author' of Christianity. That would be Jesus. If the Pope contradicts Jesus guess who gets higher priority?

I still remember some fag writing to GamePro to complain that link sword is in the wrong hand

sauce?
if the creators of zelda acknowledged it as such, yes.

Yes you literal retard, that's how canon works. If you write a canon product you have word of god and literally everything you want to happen is true, no matter what. Nintendo could write the next game about Link being a comatose kid who dreamed all the games and it would be canon too, shit, but canon, that's how it works, it's not about what (You) want, but what THEY want.

So, from what I can gather from this thread, the only people angry about the timeline are people who
>are angry that Nintendo contradicted their headcanon
>can't grasp te very simple plots of Zelda games
>never played many Zelda games to begin with

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>Yes
lol fucking retards

nice argument lmao

Look mate, I hate Dishonored 2 and Fallout 4, doesn't mean they're not canon plot wise. I can choose to ignore it, and you can too with whatever franchises you want

>HOW COULD IT BE CANON IF I WOULDN'T LIKE IT!?
Leave.

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You got it about right. The first group is the biggest from what I've seen, especially back when HH first came out.

Yep
>LMAO ZELDA IS JUST MARIO WITH SWORDS YOU JUST GET THERE BEAT THE VILLAIN AND SAVE THE PRINCESS THERE'S NO STORY
>MY TIMELINE WAS BETTER, THE ONE THEY MADE IS SOME BULLSHIT MADE FOR AUTISTS
>I SOMEHOW HATE THE GAMES ARE CONNECTED SO I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THEY DIDN'T MAKE EVERYTHING UP, FUCK THE TIMELINE

>Look mate, I hate Dishonored 2 and Fallout 4, doesn't mean they're not canon plot wise
Yes it does.

>Hyrule Warriors was canon the whole time
Not gonna lie Matpat that's pretty based and correct.

HW's existence as a timeline crossover clusterfuck means it can basically happen anywhere at any time if you REALLY want it to be canon.

How?

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There's no reason for it not to be other than Miyamoto tier autism about their series

HW can't be canon it contradicts too much stuff.
Like Midna being transformed into an imp by Cia.

Because they're shit.

Peace Walker isn't canon, Resident Evil 5 isn't canon, The Last Window: The Secret of Cape West isn't canon.

I have a feeling that Ganon got so mad he merged the timelines. Hence shit loads of things existing from multiple games being there.

>Cia

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>nintentoddlers
How did it come to the point where pedos say shit like this unironically.

Just make the portals to other times just be copies of the time that are self contained and don't affect the original, then it makes sense
It sort of needs to be in Child though, seeing as TP is in the base game and the WW area is said to be from another world.

Nintendork is mad lol, he's got his little Nintidiot buddies to play his Nintensher Price babby console lol

I think MGS3 is ass. Does that mean its not canon?

Zelda is an anthology series

So basically this thread boils down to
>I don't understand the timeline so it's fake and stupid
>I don't like the timeline compared to my head canon so it's fake and stupid
Yes?

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Hyrule Warriors isn't only a spin off but it's not included in the 3 goddesses books specifically made as canon guides so it's non-canon trash

Is that a problem?

Correct. If user doesn't like then it never happened

>I think MGS3 is ass. Does that mean its not canon?
No it means you should be euthanised

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So if YOU like something, thats the only thing that matters for canon? Why is your word more powerful than other people's?

>So if YOU like something, thats the only thing that matters for canon?
No, if the general consensus among the fanbase is something is canon then it's canon. You're not the general fanbase for MGS3.

Why would other people's opinion matter in regards to my enjoyment of the series? Everyone on Yea Forums has appalling taste, not gonna stop me enjoying shit

>Do people really care about Zelda's timeline?
Only redditors care about it because they get too attached to video games

This is some feels > reals type thinking that trannies on twitter spout.

More like
>its not needed at all, therefore its stupid
Even if there was no timeline as confirmed by the producers, people would still make one.
But the whole thing works without, just as an adventure game with connected themes.

>the fans of a product dictate its canon, not the ones that actually made said product
Maybe in your imaginary world

Too bad Nintendo started making sequels plots with the second game then, huh?

>I could live just fine without it, therefore it's stupid
I could live just fine without you, I guess you are undeniable stupid then

Sure. They work standalone without the timeline, so what's your point? You think Zelda is the only series to do this? It's largely so anyone can pick up the games and not feel lost. Whereas people who have played them all and figured out that they're connected have it confirmed.

SHUT UP IF THE GAMES WORK STANDALONE THEN ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE STANDALONE ENTRIES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>But the whole thing works without, just as an adventure game with connected themes.
Generally, this is true, but not always. The entire endgame of Wind Waker will go over your head if you're not aware of OoT.

>>NO NO NO THERE'S NO STORY YOU JUST PLAY IT AND NOTHING HAPPENS
Literally all nintendo games

Based

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Pikmin.

How does the four sword do anything but fly in the face of the timeline in every way aside from four sword specific games?

Hyrule and the larger world outside of it are full of magic, finding and using a different magic sword is hardly some great violation of logic.

Literally zero arguments. You lost.

That would not be canon unless miyamoto said it is.

*was

Actually the Four Swords saga is clearly connected to other games

>Four Swords Adventures is an obvious sequel to Four Swords
>Four Swords is an obvious sequel to Minish Cap
>Minish Cap features the same shield from Four Swords Adventures... AND Wind Waker, but the world from Minish Cap is clearly the old Hyrule and not the train filled New Hyrule created after Wind Waker, so MC happens before WW and that Link's lineage is where WW Link is born (since it's said the shield you get en WW is an old heirloom used by an ancient hero)
There you go, even without the timeline anyone can see both WW and FSA happen after MC and FS

Yeah just like Miyamoto made a stream in Youtube when Hyrule Historia and Encyclopedia were released to read them loud so everyone can see they are canon right?

This is what I like about the Zelda timeline. It's subtle and requires knowledge of previous games to piece together. Making it more satisfying having played the games when you do.

>This is what I like about the Zelda timeline. It's subtle and requires knowledge of previous games to piece together

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Please Mr Businessman, tell me I'm consuming product correctly

This BOTW is the TURN A of the zeoda franchise.

Ricky sometimes you just need to stop and smell the hoses.

The so called timeline is something Aonuma and Miyamoto quickly shat out so fans could just finally shut up about it.
There's no timeline but Nintendo fans will try to force a canon anyway.

How can one person such as yourself be so mad about something so trivial? Lmao

Just explaining how canonizing things works, faggots. If Kojima made a zelda it would be considered non canon unless miyamoto said it was canon. That's how canon works. Much like how if Toriyama doesn't say something is canon in DBZ irs not. Like the first Broly Movie or any DBZ movie. They aren't because he has not specifically said so. That is canonizing something works. You don't have to like it. I don"t care if Zelda is the same story told differently or a chronological timeline, but you can't just make up the rules when it comes to canonizing stuff. I'd like something like Broly to be actual canon but he's not.

>The timeline was shat out quickly!
>There is no timeline!
So you wanna make up your mind? Is there or isnt there a timeline?

Pretty much
Miyamoto just likes using the Legend of Zelda for a catch all for “Link goes on an adventure”

Which inconsistencies? Please elaborate i would like to know. I like talking about Zelda lore.

No? If an author produces a work in the series it's considered canon by default. With your DBZ examples, their canon was dubious because Toriyama didn't write them and they were anime-only (and thus secondary to the manga.)

What?

see

And if Kojima makes Zelda and none of the writing is done by miyamoto its not canon. Historia is everything before BotW in a timeline, and it works off that to bring them all into one completely by having all of the items of past characters within a single game. And they say it's canon. Creators have final word on canon. You can't dispute that but you CAN prefer your own headcanon, despite being incorrect. No one is saying you have to like it, but you can't dispute it.

Yes, almost everytime that someone complaints about the timeline we need to explain to him how the timeline works.

Many Zeldas don't have Miyamoto as the main writer. In this case the main writer is simply the Zelda development team at Nintendo.

The answer: it doesn't

Couldn't care less.
It was a neat video with a very agreeable conclusion though.

Explain how it doesn't work. From what I've seen, the timeline ties everything together nicely.

OK. You are a retarded fagot desperate for (you)s.

Groundhog day. Checkmate atheist

The only video if his I've watched is the HK one and that was enough to solidify him as an absolute retard.

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i knew it would be retarded so i didnt watch it
whatd he say?

It's baffling how you can take a game like Hollow Knight with so many intentional little hints and mysteries about the world, the people, and their history and completely ignore ALL OF IT to come up with a bunch of braindead nonsense with no basis at all.

I can unironically see how the mainline games got placed in the timeline, but the spin-off games still bug me, I guess those weren't as big of a priority as the mainline stuff

Still kinda bullshit that the Twilight Princess Timeline just kinda ends and everything just kinda merges with the BoTW timeline. I really wanted more games with the darker tones of MM and TP, those were the best Zelda games for me.

Does anyone remember that one 2008-2012 Zelda Theory Majora's Mask/Timeline video (not Mattpat's, but another Youtuber's) that mostly had text narration with Dragon Ball GT Final Bout music (SSJ4's theme I think) playing in the background? I've been looking for it for a long time. It also tried to connect Majora's Mask with TP IIRC.

The Knight player character is a reincarnation or something of the Pale King was his "theory".

Depends what you mean by spinoffs. If you mean stuff like the portable games, only MC and FS don't have a direct tie to a mainline console game (wouldn't call FSA mainline with this criteria.) If you mean shit like Tingle and the CDI games, Nintendo doesn't remotely try to connect them to the mainline series nor really acknowledge them as something that exists.

But the game outright shows and gives some tell about what the Hollow Knight is and their relation to the Pale King.

I meant the portable games, of course I didn't mean the Tingle games, that would just be silly to try and connect them.
And yeah those were the ones I am referring to but everyone keeps trying to connect them into the timeline.

It's because they're essentially timeline agnostic. They're more or less 'just another adventure.' They don't present a problem being shoved anywhere except the Adult timeline, Nintendo put them into the space between OOT and SS since that's the most innocuous and empty time. Only FSA introduces any kind of lore problems, and that's because Miyamoto forced them to make it a canon game late in dev.

>Report submitted! This window will close in 3 seconds...

Announcing reports is bannable.

See you in 3 days.

So OoT isn't canon because Miyamoto never said it's canon (because everyone that isn't a retard like you knows it already)?
Thanks for proving you are a retard (again). All main line games of this franchise are canon so if Kojima worked in a main line Zelda game the game (and everything that happens in it) would be canon, period.
Also Broly is canon already you double retard

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Or, to refer to the other portables real quick:
>LA is directly coming off of ALTTP, this isn't something obscured from you either
>OOS/OOA also are, only confusion is if they come first or second with LA
>PH outright features WW Link and Tetra, and ST opens with a recap of WW/PH LInk and Tetra delivered by a surviving member of her crew
>ALBTW shows itself as a direct sequel to ALTTP (AFTER the prior three of course) and has the same Hyrule
>TFH also makes its sequel status to ALBTW (as ridiculous as it is) clear
Like I said, everything else is super obvious where it fits in.

Not the same guy but... many people said a few years ago that TFH wasn't part of the timeline. What happened?

It's very clearly a sequel to ALBTW, people just don't want to take it as canon because it's really fucking stupid and ridiculous, it has a tone more fitting for the Tingle games than a Zelda game.

What race is the little slumped guy to the right of the goron?

Good job retard you played yourself

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Mogma, one of the SS-only races that probably got genocided at some point or another. Since Gorons move into their turf that has some unfortunate implications that probably weren't intended.

Has anyone actually discussed this vid yet? I think it makes some strong points honestly, aside from the fact that matpat is insufferable.

Not that it matters because nintnedo will never accept it as canon.

"See you in 3 days" isn't announcing anything

>caring about lore
>in a kid's game

didn't he make his editor an hero

I just like to think that the battle mentioned ad nauseam 10,000 year past is the battle where the timelined merged, it only because it resulted in an overpowered, stupidly-corrupted Ganon.

It might not have been planned, but the triple timeline does make sense when you think about it while taking a dump.

But there is no triple timeline, there is a double timeline and a "what if"

If only because I was one of the only advocates of the Tri-line (which seemed to piss everyone off as they couldn't fathom a series known for shit being done in 3's having more than 2 timelines) and had gotten the timeline mostly correct.

see

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From left to right (ignoring Hylia) the characters are
>a scrapper (little robots create by an ancient civilization thousands years before SS)
>a parella (a weird mix of jellyfish and seahorse)
>a kikwi (the weak and useless race of the forest of SS era, they are like half-plant penguins)
>a goron (because they are old as rocks)
>a mogma (basically humanoid moles)

He killed his editor and monetized his fake reaction to the death.

He's pretending a spin off has something to do with a franchise's canon, he's wrong by default and you are a retard for thinking otherwise

I've always wanted to see what the world like before Demise. We only get a very brief look at it in the prequel manga, but some parts of it were clearly extremely advanced since they had those robots and their time crystal fuckery.

As seen by , yes , we sadly are.

>It's pretty obvious
No, kill yourself.
We've know about the timeline literally since ALttP.
Just because you're ignorant on a topic doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>evil appears
>link kills it
>the end
TOO FUCKING DEEP FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUU

This. I miss when it was more of a mystery that was left to fans to speculate. Even HH says the Nintendo timeline is not necessarily perfect, and is still technically an opinion, it might as well be official since they are the creators of the games.

I have no doubt this was dons for fucking normies who expect everything to be explained to them even at the expense of a good experience. Nintendo probably figured giving the games an official context would make it easier for these retards to hop in to the series and not feel overwhelmed.

And yet the "offical" timeline is a fucking mess that only works trough being split up in multiple ones. Glad to see that you retards really fall for something this fucking obvious.

Missed my point entirely, I know it isn't canon and is a spin-off but it would make sense if they actually did make it canon.

Has a timeline =/= deep. This isn't some Steins Gate shit, it's literally shaped like a (triumph) fork, it's all straight lines except a single split three ways. A six year old can understand it.

>it's real in my head
>so it has to be real for everyone else too
>even if everyone else tells me I'm retarded
Yes, yes, you really are.

>A six year old can understand it.
Then mature up and reach the mental level of a 6yo since you clearly have no fucking idea what you're even talking about. A fucking toddler has a better understanding of it then you.

Lets nuke his house for his cancer

This game was made at the same time Nintendo wanted to push an official timeline. It being the first was practically part of its marketing. Tell us what the story was in the previous decades when Nintendo didn't care at all, and was intentionally leaving things ambiguous and basically winging it.

It was never much of a mystery since every game was and got advertised as a sequel or prequel to the previous ones. The only real question, and if you remember speculating about it back then you'd know the fan timelines were all generally similar otherwise, was how all the pre-OOT (and OOS/OOA) games fit into the timeline when WW was in the Adult one and TP in the Child one. And before TP there wasn't that much debate, since most people theorized the pre-OOT games just followed MM since the Adult Timeline terminated in WW. And fuck, before WW there wasn't even a timeline debate (though plenty of speculation on if the future Link left behind was a split timeline,) just a lot of arguing over whether OOT was the Sealing War or if it happened later.

I knew him before he had a YouTube channel (and not after, but we’re still Facebook friends). He always seemed really nice. He was big into theater, so maybe he comes across as fake or exaggerated, but he was always friendly and helpful to me.

>Long stream of insults with no clear argument or position
Okay?

>it's real in my head
And in the game's stories, and officially licensed Nintendo products discussing it, and in interviews with the developers.

It has been officially stated since the 3rd fucking game in the series that there is a timeline, and has been reiterated numerous times since.

Nah, the real reason they did this was because they planned on referencing every timeline in Breath of the Wild and that would cause a shitstorm with fans so they preemptively decided to canonize the timeline shit officially, not to mention Skyward Sword also officially acknowledged the timeline because it marketed itself as "the first" in the story.

Before Skyward Sword there were multiple games that directly referenced the events in the previous Zelda games and even some games that used the exact same version of Link in the direct sequels like this guys first post explained

I won't watch it, what point does he make, how does he change the timeline?

>Tell us what the story was in the previous decades when Nintendo didn't care at all, and was intentionally leaving things ambiguous and basically winging it.
Intentionally? AoL was a direct sequel to LOZ about stopping Ganondorf's surviving minions from bringing him back. ALTTP was sold as the prequel to LOZ, and OOT as the story of the events mentioned in ALTTP as the origin of Ganon, MM follows what happens to Link after OOT, OOS/OOA on ALTTP Link after that game, WW on the future Link left behind at the end of OOT, and TP on the world in the child timeline after MM. That was the story, it was never some secret or hidden thing.

The plot of Hyrule Warriors directly has to do with all three timelines and even merges them at certain points of the story, explaining why Breath of the Wild has elements of all three timelines in the game even though that should be impossible.

They only started roughing out a timeline because that gave them some useful context when developing the games, but they always presented it as their interpretation. The early games were hard to fit, because like you seem to agree, were never made with any regard for a timeline. Nintendo put more effort in to wrangling together a timeline that could be made public to appeal to normies or "Americans" as Bill admitted in an earlier post. inbf obsessed (I'm American and hate how Japs always dumb things down for us).

Essentially he was arguing that Nintendo should acknowledge Hyrule Warriors as canon because it explains all the inconsistencies with Breath of the Wild.

Why are you linking to a post that proves how utterly retarded you are?

Sneed

Thanks anons

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>-T-THERE'S NO STORY WHATSOEVER
>+There's, look, all this lore and it's like a 5%
>-W-WELL BUT I CAN SUMMARIZE IT IN HERO BEATS BAD GUY SO THERE'S NO STORY
You are beyond pathetic

>The early games were hard to fit, because like you seem to agree, were never made with any regard for a timeline
No, I strongly disagreed with you. I go into it more here but I honest to god think people like you making this argument never played anything before OOT. You don't understand those games at all. All of the games were always sold as being before or after one of the previous games. A sequence of events, of game plots, creates a timeline, no matter how simple or complex that timeline is. And LOZ -> AOL, then LTTP -> LOZ -> AOL, then LTTP -> LA -> LOZ -> AOL etc is straight out a timeline. The only real confusion was by TP occupying where everyone thought they went in the timeline before hand.

Some of this is wrong.

>Zelda 8 (Four Swords)
>actually seems unconnected to other (specific) games
Stated since release to be a distant prequel.

>Zelda 9 (The Wind Waker)
>direct sequel of Zelda 5
Distant sequel is more accurate. It directly deals with the events of OoT, but some centuries later.

>Zelda 10 (Four Swords Adventures)
>distant sequel of Zelda 8
Completely wrong. FSA is at the end of the Child Timeline, Four Swords is centuries before the split.

>Zelda 11 (The Minish Cap)
>direct prequel of Zelda 8/10
Distant is more accurate again here. Minish cap shows the origin of Vaati and the Four Sword.

>Zelda 18 (Breath of the Wild)
>actually seems unconnected to other (specific) games... until now
It's not that it seems unconnected, but more that it seems overly connected and we can't make heads or tails of what it's supposed to be connected to. Nintendo is also refusing to tell us where it sits this time which is frustrating.

Given what I mentioned above, BoTW being a merge of the timelines seems plausible.

Have we run out of internet yet?

Does it bother anyone else that everything in BotW's map is some reference to something we already know about in Zelda? It's like they took every NPC and grabbed one and threw it before Mountain or Lake etc. Feels too breaking the 4th wall for me.

Even if you erased from existence all games after SS the story would still be far longer than that post you fucking retard

>Nintendo is also refusing to tell us where it sits this time which is frustrating.

That's because it doesn't fit anywhere in any specific timeline, it literally is acknowledging all timelines no matter how much it makes autists angry. They are doing this so in future zelda games they can just put whatever they want in it without having to adhere to timeline bullshit because now BOTW has everything.

All the bridges around Central Hyrule are Zelda II bosses. The naming of places more than anything else make me believe in a merged timeline, else it makes no sense at all.

>FSA is not a sequel to FS because of the timeline
The Capcom games shouldn’t even be in the timeline all they do is complicate it

how did he die again?

>implying you need a timeline
>implying the world of Zelda aren't just parallel dimensions all happening simultaneously

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I dislike them naming stuff after NPCs, but I like them putting in most of the geographic features from previous Zelda games including ones that only showed up in one game, it's a good way to expand Hyrule's size at that. Stuff like bringing Mount Hebra and Lake Floria back. But to be fair, names like Ruto and Saria were used for places before they were used for people. The characters are named after cities in AOL (though back canon makes it the other way around in-setting.)

Honestly, I just don't give a fuck about story in video games unless there's some mystery to it, and preferred when there still was. There is a big difference between when Nintendo released their timeline and all the time that came before, because Nintendo basically killed all the speculation which made the story feel like less of a focus while still retaining its importance for lorefags. And I believe I have read quotes where Nintendo talk about how the games can be viewed as a retelling of the same story over and over again. Having it all pinned down from the creators themselves makes it less dreamlike which I still believe was the way the series was supposed to be, and was fine being until they released HH.

>Dear Company, I FIXED IT
This shit is always horrible

FSA isn't a capcom game.

killed himself because he got Metoo'd and no one defended him

>It directly deals with the events of OoT, but some centuries later.
If it DIRECTtly deals then it's a DIRECT sequel, not distant, the time between each game is irrelevant.

>FSA being a distant sequel of FS is wrong... because it happens centuries after FS... which means it's a distant sequel
Are you retarded or something?

>Distant is more accurate again here
It's not, it's literally how the sword FS Link has was forged and like you said, the origin of FS' villain. It's a direct prequel

>merge timeline retard
Discarded

Nintendo said its up to player interpretation, so just make your own

>I just don't give a fuck about story in video games unless there's some mystery to it, and preferred when there still was.
There never was. That's my entire point. AOL got sold as, and its story obvious is, a sequel to LOZ. No mystery. ALTTP was sold as the prequel to LOZ. LA was sold as what happened to ALTTP Link after the game. Then OOT was sold as the prequel to ALTTP, and you're probably more familiar with the rest. This isn't from speculation, this is from Nintendo stating as much or direct story beats. There was zero mystery to how the games went, user. The only reason you think there was, was because when you first got into the series you were an ignorant child and filled in the gaps in your knowledge with speculation. It's understandable that you miss that, but you should be ruing the lost innocence of childhood and not complaining at Nintendo for restating things they had said before, probably before you were born.

>implying your stupid deluded headcanon that contradicts everything ever said by the devs matters

okay, i know that but how did he off himself? Did he have like a gun or something or yeet in front of a bus?

You admitted yourself that there were some games that people couldn't fit easily in to the timeline. Then you say there was zero mystery. Make up your mind.

>ALTTP was sold as the prequel to LOZ. LA was sold as what happened to ALTTP Link after the game. Then OOT was sold as the prequel to ALTTP
>This isn't from speculation
lmao.
As an oldfag who was around when those got released, you're full of shit.
They may have said that later, I dunno about that, but they certainly didn't sell them as such. I vividly remember the buzz around those games, reading countless magazines and interviews. Never ever have I heard that.

Its funn how you accuse him of filling gaps with speculation.

>Matpat having an ego

They couldn't fit them into the timeline because of TP, aka the game released far, far after the 4 games we are discussing. Their placement and status was entirely clear up until the moment TP happened, and Nintendo cleared it all up with the very next game and their failure timeline. TP did not go back in time and retcon the intent behind the original 4 games and OOT, or how they followed each other, when the games came out. Nintendo never intended any kind of mystery. They simply confused the shit out of people with TP, and only THEN started intentionally changing anything by throwing out this failure timeline.
You never played LOZ, ALTTP, OR LA did you? Nobody can think shit as stupid as you do if they bothered to read their manuals, especially for ALTTP. And OOT was sold as the story of the Sealing War, you lying faggot. I doubt you're any older than Windows Vista.

Somehow failed to mention AOL, you know, the game where the story is "Hey good job you killed Ganon, but now his minions think they can bring him back with Link's blood!"

massive zeldafag here, zelda lore is fun to read about, but taking that timeline seriously is pretty pathetic. Besides, guys like MatPat just want to make clickbait videos.

>never (much of a) mystery
>generally similar this
>most people theorized that
>the only question
>also this question too
>lots of argument
Yeah, zero mystery.

>Whining about phrasing
>Talking about fan theories, not the games
>Talking about fan theories, not the games
>Talking about the situation post-TP, which the post you just quoted is also referring to
>No idea what question you're referring to
>Arguments as in fan theories about this thing no game was connected to
Being illiterate in this day and age isn't acceptable.

>no Zelda comedy game where Link is aware he keeps coming back over and over again

You're inconsistent, no need to be so aggressive. Nice walls of nonsense text though.

Resorting to insults does not a counterargument make.

I love how half of you guys are arguing and discussing about a timeline but then you all hate on Mat Pat when all he does is theorize about this exact stuff.

He's literally just a casually fan of this stuff who made it his job to theorize. Stop being so hypocritical. It's like you're not even trying to hide your jealousy.

Kiwifarms is just as shitty
Actually worse

Kill yourself like you killed your friend MatPat

Most people are ignoring the MatPat video, and the ones who aren't are calling him out for wanting a spinoff to be canon.

Yea Forums always does the exact same thing the ecelebs they claim to hate do.

>the time between each game is irrelevant.
That's nonsense.

>because it happens centuries after FS... which means it's a distant sequel
I thought time didn't matter? But more to the point, aside from the presence of Vaati and the Four Sword, they have very little to do with one another, which means 'sequel' is inaccurate.

>It's not, it's literally how the sword FS Link has was forged and like you said, the origin of FS' villain
In the sense that SS is a direct prequel to OoT, which is to say it isn't.

>merge timeline retard
Don't be an idiot. I said it was plausible, because it is plausible with the information we have. I didn't say it was my theory or my preference.

Describe your theory s so there's something else to read about other than arguments facilitated by one guy who is obviously baiting.

Downfall only exists because they realized that Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time contradicted the Imprisoning War backstory of Link to the Past too much when most fans pre-Hyrule Historia were content to handwave the inconsistencies away and take the initial intent of Ocarina being the Imprisoning War as legit.

So if I play Super Metroid and fight my way all the way to Mother Brain, the giant Metroid at the end doesn't have any relation at all to the one initially stolen by Ridley? That sequence never actually happened, Mother Brain just has a giant fucking Metroid that likes Samus for no reason.

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Literally every single game in the series is either a direct sequel or prequel to a different game, except for Breath of the Wild, and Minish Cap/Skyward Sword which were billed as overall series prequels but were full of references to the other games' plots.

It's not up for debate that there's a timeline and has been since Zelda 2, the problem is just some of the games contradict each other. If you want to explain that the contradictions come from these stories being apocryphal legends, that's OK, but to say there's no timeline or that each game is a "retelling" is factually incorrect.

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I want an updated version of this NPC.

My theory on what? BoTW?
I seriously don't know. Every time I think one timeline placement seems more likely than the others I think about how it could just as easily be practically anything else.

I personally think it would be interesting to find that it was at the end of the Adult timeline, long after the water had receded. The only thing that seems clear at this point is that it's the distant future, one way or the other.
I really need to play through it again and go on a lore hunt.

If he had done it in any kind of public manner the Internet would've found out so he probably hanged himself

It's just a game

Fuck Yea Forums

Have you not seen his videos...
>talks about video game
>states undeniable tinfoil theroy about video game
>attempts to tell nonsense to back his claim up
>"HA. HA. HA! I AM SO SMART HASHTAG HUMBLEBRAG HASHTAG YOURAGAYFAG HASHTAG my fanbase wouldn't even understand the truth because they can't read past the 2nd grade level and they all play five nights because they are idiots who like shit BUT HEY... DATS JUST A THEROY.... A... wait for it... GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY THEROY!"

Rinse, lather, repeat

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